ITS OVER INTEL IS FINISHED

Cont:

>In addition to the 7nm FX-7 and 7LP news, Globalfoundries in partnership with IBM and Samsung research teams together at the VLSI Technology and Circuits conference in Kyoto, Japan, announced the feasibility of 5nm with a functioning 5nm chip. This is a big deal for Globalfoundries and their partners because there were major doubts that anything under 7nm would be possible or coming any time soon. However, the research and testing conducted using Extreme Ultraviolet (EUV) lithography technology. Using EUV along with stacked nanosheet technologies IBM in partnership with Samsung and Globalfoundries built a functioning 5nm test chip.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrick.../#6b4b6e444730


INTEL JUST GOT DEMOLISHED

RIP Intel

>>60886302
BASED IBM WIZARDS

oy vey it's like anudda shoa

the fourth? holohoax

Brakes on the rape train? Nah, add boosters.

>>60886372
The ride never ends

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>>60886302
SHUT IT DOWN GOYIM.

>>60886396
You're not funny.

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>>60886407
Oy vey. Delid!

>>60886396
You can't, GloFo is owned by terrorists :)
Murikka and jew lawyers can't do shit

>>60886415
You're not funny.

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>>60886425
>anudda shoah

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FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

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https://www.globalfoundries.com/sites/default/files/product-briefs/7lp-product-brief.pdf

Product brief.

>>60886447
You're not funny.

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>>60886473

>>60886473
>5ghz
Let the shoah begin.

>>60886473
Oh my God

>>60886302
>Globalfoundries also claims an over 30% reduction in die cost
Single most important bit of information is right here. Radically reducing cost on a process that is radically more complex is not something which happens by chance. This process would be employing new alignment techniques developed by IBM.

The future of Global Foundries is completely disruptive. The semiconductor industry is going to be making massive strides in the next 3 years. This is a bigger jump than moving on from strained silicon. Implications are tremendous.

Meanwhile at GF and AMD

>guys we got no high clocking process to compete with Intel at the very high end, what do we do?

-Make their own process?
>Nah, too costly and time consuming

-Tweak Samsung's process?
>Nah, could backfire and it's not guaranteed to hit high clocks

-.. Call IBM?
>GENIUS

I was planning on getting Threadripper this year but I'll hold on to my 3570k for a while, Zen2 should be both higher IPC and higher clocks, no way I'm not waiting for this gem.

>>60886559
Actually it was IBM that called GloFo and PAYED them to take their fabs.

>>60886610
That's what Intel thinks of its situation too.

>>60886473
>up to 17 metal layers

That's IBM's work allright

>>60886473
>5ghz
Gotta go fast.

>>60886302
>>60886473

Meanwhile 10nm Coffee Lake is delayed to 2018 and the 8th generation core i series is 14nm yet again, a refresh of a refresh.

I didn't believe it when I heard that Intel didn't think AMD could actually compete and relaxed their development. But the writing's on the wall now.

Time to start wildly fucking speculating about Zen2, guys.

6 core CCX/ 12 core die
24 thread mainstream parts
48 thread workstation Threadripper replacement
96 thread enterprise chips
4.5ghz+ clocks at 95w for 12 core mainstream
3.5ghz+ for 65w parts with 12 cores
6 core/12 thread APUs
Higher IPC
higher frequency DRAM support beyond 4000mhz
Data fabric limitations dramatically reduced, higher speed Infinity Fabric all around
lower latency IMC
still on socket AM4

>>60886518
>makes hamfisted attempt at comparing calls of Intel's demise to Trump
>too lazy to even edit the image

0/10 see me after class.

>>60886473
>ryzen running at 5 GHz and with 6 core ccx
[Sweating intensifies]

>>60886823
If they can manage a 10% uplift in IPC in common workloads they'll absolutely slay.
>making substantial gains in IPC and clocks in one gen
>without increasing power
>while adding cores

Someone stop Su. This is absolute savagery.

>>60886823
I don't think you're gonna serve a 12 core with two memory channels.

>>60886943
4die MCM will still have 8 channels.

>>60886943
We have 8 core chips with two memory channels running 2400- 3000mhz DDR4 typically.
Thats 48GB/s memory bandwidth with 3000mhz memory. You could break it down to 6GB/s per core, though this obviously isn't a very realistic metric since all cores will never be arbitrarily just performing endless memory ops. Still its napkin math, and everyone loves napkin math.

4000mhz DDR4 is 64GB/s. That'd give 5.33GB/s per core for a 12 core dual channel chip. Not a huge reduction from what we're at now, and looking at current trends we'll probably be seeing significantly faster DDR4 a year from now.

Besides AMD said they'd stick with socket AM4 until DDR5 was entering the market. They aren't adding more memory channels, but we have at least some indication that they are adding cores to the CCX.

>>60887041
Yes..? But 1x die(AM4) platform is unlikely to have 12 cores and two channels, especially if the cores are notably faster from higher frequencies and IPC, I think they're gonna have two different dies, one for server, one for desktop.

Or they could actually do 12 cores on 2 channels, but the memory controller would have to be significantly more powerful than it is now.

>>60887062
hopefuly AM4+/AM5 wil be compatibe with gen1 ryzens

>>60887086
This is what I think.

AM4 CPUs will be stuck to 8 cores, which is fine.
AM4+ will go up to 12 cores, because they obviously require different motherboards.

>>60887086
>>60887112
I don't think AMD is going to make the financial investment to start fabbing multiple dies when they're just now starting to turn around. They'll be sticking with the most cost effective measures just as they are now.

Reminder that shoah starts in 7 days.

>>60886709
what doe the layers do?

>>60887131
You're overestimating the cost of a new photomask, it would be a short term hit on AMD's cash but certainly a good long term investment, it lets them get the most out of the server chips.
These won't be big chips anway, smaller than Polaris, the mask should cost some 200 million USD

>>60887177
Route power through the chip, more layers = usually more power hungry chip.

ex: Intel's Kabylake is 12 layers, Ryzen is 11, but it also has twice the cores and a bunch more uncore.

>>60887210
does this mean ibm-based ryzens will be more powerhungry?

>>60887190
What are they gonna to do with shitty binned server dies?

>>60887280
It says "up to", 7nm Ryzens probably won't go over 12 layers.
Those 17 ones are for IBM's POWER chips.

>>60887282
Threadripper 2

>>60887299
Volume is too small.

>>60887190
Intel is adding more cores to all their chips in every segment, and AMD isn't likely to fall behind.
Nor are they going to tarnish their newly won respect by segmenting their platforms again.

>>60887177
>>60887210
Metal layers are signaling, power routing to the logic, and the logic/sram/edram/etc itself. More layers means you can build a denser chip depending on how your cells are oriented. IBM's POWER series of processors have more metal layers primarily because of their immense and well connected EDRAM.

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>>60886473

>5ghz


how will they keep it from going full chernobyll?

>>60887359
Not use TIM

>>60887359
>7nm HIGH POWER
You got your answer.

>>60887359
By not using toothpaste for the IHS.

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Intel needs new management
>vague legal threats at MS/APPLE because they want off x86 as if that can stop them
>AMD kicks their ass with ryzen/threadripper
>the threadripper panic mode fiasco
>trying to get into new markets like iot and mobile and failing every time
>no dedicated GPU line despite making GPUs that can already play games
>Nvidia partnering with IBM to get general purpose CPUs for their ML setups, literally don't need intel anymore
>"x86 or death!"

Intel management basically lost contact with reality.

>>60887359
>.75v drive voltage

>>60887382
That's low? How does it compare with current 14nm nodes?

>>60887412
Ryzen's vmin for hitting 3600mhz is around 1.1v or a bit lower depending on luck of the draw. With Ryzen it seems that .7v is the min voltage required to get reliable switching. If .75v is the nominal drive current for 7nm then the low end is going to be drastically lower as well.
60% lower power for a design at a fixed clock would be quite outstanding if it materialized in an end product for AMD. They'd have a full 1800X under 45w.

>>60887469
>They'd have a full 1800X under 45w.
*hysterical laughter*

>>60886479
>I can't handle people making jokes on the internet because my skin is far too thin

>>60887348
>denser
Does this mean they'll try and stack chips?

>>60887135
You're not funny.

>>60887490
No, it means higher margins for Dr. Su. Or bigger dies with moar everything.

>>60887516
And jews are not white.

>>60887517
I think the future lies within chip stacking

>>60887543
Yes, but software is so far behind we have to wait. For now we need for kikes to finally adopt fucking HBM.

>>60887478
Yes, the process characteristics are that significant.
25w~ 1700 would be a possibility.
It'd be no challenge at all to put that in a reasonably thin laptop.

This 7nm process from IBM isn't bulk silicon based, its IBM's advanced FD-SOI. Its actually their 3rd generation of SOI based FinFETs they've designed internally. There is industry changing IP at work here.

>>60887490
No, stacked logic is still a long way off.
When I said density I mean in the structures on the front end of line. DRAM cells can be oriented so they're partially overlapping by having parts of the structures on alternating layers. The net effect is you get massively more transistors per mm2.

Imagine an EDRAM cell looking like a 3D letter "L" and you're stacking them so the legs are overlapping one another.

>>60887599
>SOI-based FinFET
I though they went for SiGe fins.

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IMPOSSIBLE, HOW DID THEY GENERATE SUCH INNOVATION WITHOUT INVESTING IN FEMINISM?!?! I HATE MEN!

>>60887646
Wasn't that for 5nm?

>>60887646
The channel material likely is SiGe, or something similar, but the process starts with an SOI wafer, and there are no quasi neutral zones below the gates. They're all fully depleted of carriers.

>>60887674
>CMOS bulk FinFET
What did they mean by that?
>>60887671
Nah, 5nm uses silicon nanosheets.

>>60887599
*melancholy of no stacking*

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>>60886302
>>60886315
>>60886473
>>60887374
>>60887662

Wow, not only was Intel's only good point its fabs, it lost that advantage now too, now they have both a worse deadend arch and worse or at _best_ equal fabs.

The next 4 years will be a rough ride for Intel

>>60887833
Exciting times to be alive, anon.

>FD-SOI 7nm with quad patterning
>FD-SOI 7nm with EUV
>450mm wafers
>5nm GAAs faster to market than anyone expected even 2 years ago

AMD already stated that Zen is gonna last some 4 years, so 2021, right when Intel releases its new arch.
Clearly AMD is not sitting on its ass, what are these newgen architectures gonna be like? Still Von Neumann? RISC-V-like on x86? Just regular x86 but chalk full of accelerators for desktop tasks?

>>60887910
>Clearly AMD is not sitting on its ass, what are these newgen architectures gonna be like? Still Von Neumann? RISC-V-like on x86? Just regular x86 but chalk full of accelerators for desktop tasks?
We don't know. At least AMD is part of RISC-V foundation.

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>>60886302
>Tfw am dumb and don't understand why this is a big deal

>>60887957
That's why I included the translation in the subject field for your type, you know that blue text above the post?

>>60887662
You're not funny.

>5nm GAAFETs
How in the FUCK?

>>60887135
You are funny.

>>60887910
At this point looking forward even 3 years its damn near impossible to tell whats going to happen. There have been major boons to the industry that are just pouring money in, and there is fiercer competition between foundries today than ever before.
The automotive industry is driving production of RADAR, and LIDAR sensors, along with ARM SoCs for infotainment systems, a even full GPUs for self driving systems. More and more LED lightbulbs contain a tiny IC for controlling flicker rate, or even for adjusting the brightness, or hue of the bulb. Ever take a look at Broadcom's stock? The radio market has been steadily rising without fail for years, and annual shipments of radio devices have never been anywhere near this high.
Samsung being the giant they are have been putting endless billions into their foundry business to compete with TSMC.
TSMC is trying to stay competitive enough that intel doesn't have a chance to really take off as 3rd party foundry business.
GloFo's acquisition of IBM's foundry business and subsequent IP/engineers/tooling took a shaky business and have propelled them to the top of the industry.

Theres more money flowing, and more R&D going on than ever before.
Speculating on processor architecture a few years out is total guesswork. The things that these foundries will be able to facility will be absurd. 10b transistor GPUs will be entry level. A CPU like Ryzen will be in a sub 15w ultra book.

Shit is going to be fucking wild.

>>60888027
The finest Nazi science that a DARPA funded research company has to offer.

>>60888062
Now that I think about it, silicon runs the entire world, why don't governments and countries literally throw money at fabs and chipmakers, compared to other companies, their profits are small time, yet they provide hardware, possibly the most important cog in the system after electricity itself.

>>60888114
They do, just not directly.
These companies get massive tax incentives and all kinds of special treatment. They just don't get blank checks for R&D, but the end result is near the same.

In the case of Samsung, they're basically like 1/3 of Korea's GDP, and the head family that runs everything is pretty much married to the government. For all intents and purposes Korea is the nation of Samsung. They even used to produce military weaponry but decided to sell off the division because it wasn't making as much money as smartphones, but they created the automated turret system that guards the DMZ.

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>>60888030
>>60888024
>>60887516
>>60886610
>>60886479
>>60886425
lol. well, intel shill, maybe your company would not be falling apart right now if you spent your money on actual products instead of paying taxes to feminazis who fucking hate everything about enlightenment civilization?

as a technology company, your ability to employ the principles of the enlightenment is fundamental to your ability to compete in the marketplace. if you shit on that, you are fucked. you did shit on it, and now you are fucked.

do not blame me, blame yourself.

>>60888062
I want radar in my phone

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>>60886473
>AMD releases 5GHz stock Zen+ with over 10% IPC improvements
>destroys intel in almost* everything
* - if only they fixed their fucking IMC latency

>>60888114
Until graphene takes over, but that wont happen until the far future

>>60888062
any chance for a GAYDAR sensor?

>>60888205
>muh gaymergate!

>>60888544
What? Intel literally donated $300million to fucking Feminist Frequency instead of spending the money on fucking R&D.

>>60888596
>muh gaymergate!

So why is all this innovation happening all at once?
The CPU market has been shit for what 5years now?

>>60888632
What the fuck IS gaymergate?

>>60888638
AMD is back and they want money and jew blood (preferably jew blood). Also RISC-V is in constant development and Common Platform Alliance is shitting nodes every fucking year.

>>60888654
tell me more about these... nodes

>>60888638
The stars just happened to align.
AMD really lucked out on the foundry side of things to enable their new arch to be super efficient.
The rest of the foundry industry has more cash than they know what to do with so its all getting pushed right into R&D.
Expanding semicon industry means more money into all the peripheral industries around it as well. Having money to blow means being able to hire more engineers, and it just goes on and on.

>>60888680
Literally OP.

>>60888642
You really don't want to dive into the depths of the mentality of overweight perma-virgin gamers.

>>60888693
>>60888642
>people notice shitty media collusion in the game industry
>/v/ tard rages about it
>opportunist media personalities all jump in trying to get efame
>situation grows
>feminists basically just scamming money from white knights by claiming to be oppressed
>its now a full blown political fight over feminism, journalism, and truth/integrity
>tons of parties involved
>things get fucked and chaotic because 4chan
>some people get fired, some companies lose tons of money, some companies amend their transparency policy and ethics policies
>everything is still more or less the same
>but places like breitbart became more popular with teens and 20 somethings because of it
>likely played a huge role in the culture war behind ideologies in the last election

Gamergate is like the Civil War. If anyone gives you a quick run down of it they're still leaving out 9/10 of what really happened.
You're better off not diving in to that rabbit hole.

>>60888742
Didn't that clusterfuck also span off into that falseflagging slut who was shagging game reviewers while in a relationship?

>>60888768
Yeah, Zoe something.
I think she was originally made a target because she used Robin William's death to promote a retarded text game she made. People dug into her after that and realized she was doing all that sketchy shit for publicity and /v/ exposed her. She then retaliated and threw herself into the middle of the shitstorm.

>>60888787
Yeh..I remember a huge clusterfuck over her flaseflagging it up on /pol/ and /vg/..Fucking /v/ermin coming here for weeks trying to get us involved..

>>60888642
postmodern feminists were trying to gain control of the video game industry by turning the press into a corrupt feminist commissar. gamergate emerged to oppose them, and mostly succeeded by ejecting dozens of postmodern feminists from positions of power, and several game journalist websites went into irrelevance or bankruptcy.
>>60888742
mostly correct

>>60888829
Wow it's fucking nothing.

>The Emirate of Abu Dhabi is the owner of the company through its subsidiary Advanced Technology Investment Company (ATIC)
What does this mean.

>>60888877
Sandniggers and fucking Norwegians invest in fucking everything.

Will AMD go full EUV on Zen2?

>>60888877
The only thing that has kept Global Foundries alive has been continual funding from billionaires in the UAE. They were performing poorly when AMD spun them off, and they continued to do so for years afterwards. Basically some secular Arabs own the bulk of the whole company.

>>60888922
did the arabs predict this?

>>60888935
no, they just invest in any- and everything

>>60888935
No one expected IBM to gift their fabs to GloFo.

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>>60888922
>arabs destroy jewtel

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>>60888847
>Wow it's fucking nothing.
and then you cant get a job in your industry because of the color of your skin or the way you were born. you need to understand that postmodernism is a philosophy directly derived from NAZI philosophers but used for far leftist ends. they hate the enlightenment, they hate technology, they hate democracy, they hate meritocracy.

post modern feminism in technology companies will result in less technological progress. it literally effects everyone on planet earth.

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7705.html

>>60888989
I am not going to get a job in vidya games industry, anon. I don't want to get cancer. I don't give a fuck.

>>60888957
Actually, why did IBM gifted their fabs to GloFo?

>>60889016
its not just videogames.
its all of technology.
and you will be effected one way or another.

>>60888989
>waaah, nobody will sleep with me

>>60889026
Their fabs were idling, thus bleeding money.
>>60889044
How the fuck would a bunch of ugly woman affect my fucking job?

>>60888642
DARPA funded social engineering to push politics into videogames as a way of brainwashing the youth/public because nobody under the age of 55 watches TV anymore.

Trust-fund babies with connections shilled and pushed the social engineering into their personal networks. DARPA connected social engineers with these feminist ecelebs and game devs while the media at large transitioned into identity politics "journalism". All of this further backed by a marxist-controlled education system that act as communist re-education camps, ensuring the best and brightest going into media and academia are doormats who are as brainwashed and politically correct as you can get.

The US government effectively funded a 5th column inside the country for the purposes of staging a controlled revolution to pre-empt the rising tension between the general public and the elites. Probably coupled with an external war to justify the mass removal of civil rights and freedoms.

>>60888922
> secular Arabs
> The EMIRATE of Abu Dhabi

Pick one. The states in UAE is not secular.

>>60889073
they want your job to go to women instead of the best qualified applicant.
they are sexists and racists. and they hate men. and they hate white people.
and they use nazi philosophy to justify it.
they are the same assholes as the nazis, but they are pointed in the opposite direction.

>>60888956
They know oil is on the way out and they're looking for ways to diversify so their economies don't implode.

>>60889104
>waaah, nobody will sleep with me

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>>60886302

DELETE THIS MODAFOCA, DELETE NOW!

FUCK! GODDAMN PAJEET! DEEELLLEEEETTTTTT TTHHHIIIISSSSS!

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How the fuck does a wall of autism turn into a shitfest about the UAE?
oh wait, nvm we're on /g/

do continue

>>60889117
>shills found even in the depths of /g/
wow this is fucked up

>>60889104
I'm a fucking slav, no way a bunch of whiny cunts will take my job.

>>60888920
It would be a miracle if they could pull that off without having to delay Zen2 til the end of the year 2018.
They'll probably be quad pattern at first.
I think Zen 3 is supposed to be 2nd gen EUV 7nm in 2019.

>>60889026
IBM wanted to spin them off, they're shrinking and specializing.
GloFo had been their partner in the Common Platform Alliance for a long time, so they have an extensive history working together. Global Foundries will effectively operate as IBM's personal fab, but IBM doesn't have to pay for anything. IBM actually paid GloFo in the deal, along with giving them engineers, tooling, and all their process IP to utilize.

>>60888935
Unlikely. They just have tens and hundreds of billions of dollars to throw around.

>>60889101
The main mooje who sits on the board drinks. Hes definitely not giving a shit about religion.

>>60889146
>waaah, nobody will sleep with me... and it's all... a conspiracy against me!

>>60886302
GAS THE KIKES, RYZE WAR NOW!

>>60889117
I gets bitches on mah dick all day bitch nigga

>>60889146
I had a sick and twisted idea of a bot that makes a thread on both 4/g/ and 8/tech/ and sends replies from one to the other.
Or maybe make a markov chain from /v/ that replies to /v/ you know for funzies and dark science.
Shillbot ideas must flow.

>>60889167
>the shill went against his instructions and changed his one liner
The shill is immunized against all dangers...

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>>60889199
DAS RITE!

>>60889199
>waaah, nobody will sleep with me... and it's all... a conspiracy against me!

>>60889215
good goy

>>60889088
This anon is aware

>>60889234
Please stop replying to retards like that. It's not worth it.

derailment of a great thread occurring right now. i'm so sorry i gave in to their bait

What the fuck is this thread? Talk about process nodes you niggers.
MODS.

>>60889290
The intel process nodes are turning the FROGS GAY.

>>60889167
I see you changed tactics from repeating
>You're not funny
like an idiot, to repeating this shit. Well m8, you're not doing your job properly.

The kikes are scared.

>>60889345
>waaah, what are we going to do in this thread
> POMF

>>60889345
I'm gay. Hundreds of men want to sleep with me.

>>60889372
Does intel processing nodes cure male pattern gayness?

>>60889359
You're not funny.

@60889394
Neither are you, faggot.

>>60889394
your*

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uh oh, a thread about how intel is objectively a miserable failure of a company.
time to derail this shit for damage control

>>60886512
Kek'd

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>>60889420
maybe if intel spent their money on their R&D instead of internet shilling they wouldnt be forced into this position

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It's 2017 no one cares about CPUs anymore, now Intel only cares about diversity and political correctness.
Who cares about having 5nm if you instead can have a diverse workforce

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA7X6emZLTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_QzPj1wuWc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOIhX2vuTGY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xwZqXGdzHw

>>60886823
>6 core CCX/ 12 core die
That's practically confirmed by AMD's own roadmap towards 48-core EPYC CPUs
>4.5ghz+ clocks at 95w for 12 core mainstream
That's possible, but I think just under 4.0GHz is much more likely in order to keep the TDP where it is now. 50% more cores than Ryzen, but on 30% more efficient node means that clock speeds won't jump as high on 12-core CPUs.
>6 core/12 thread APUs
This also seems highly likely, seeing as how Core i7s on LGA1151v2 will be six-cores and APUs are basically direct competitors to their kind now.
>>60886943
It will have to be dual channel in order to work on AM4 motherboards

So this is what it looks like when there's actual research and progression in tech. Thanks for the last ten years, Intel. I hope you burn down in a fire made from feces.

>>60889578
Glofo, samsung, and ibm have been working all of those years...

>>60889555
4.6ghz would only be a 15% uplift for turbo frequency over existing Ryzen 1800X.

>>60886589
>payed
Credditable source

>>60889117
>>60889046
>>60888632
>>60888544
>>60888024
>>60887516
>>60886610
>>60886479
>>60886425
literally all the same guy

good job jannies

>>60889593
Intel can't into 10 nanomemes, though.

>>60886823
66°c
6 Ghz
6ccx/24c/48t
$666

>>60889708
that text is copyrighted 2017 by Intel Corporation
prepare you're anus mister

>>60888922

Well arabs can't do this type of research, so they just throw money at a Western firm until they get results.

Sad situation. No big company had enough trust in them to invest, except some Bedouins.

>>60889682
Probably because they're stuck with their own legacy.

>>60889651
How did you manage to miss this when it happened?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2836012/globalfoundries-to-take-over-ibms-semiconductor-unit-in-13-billion-deal.html

>>60886302
delet

>>60886473
>5 GHz operation
What do they mean by this? Weren't AMD's FX-9590 processors from 5 years ago able to hit this?

>>60890358
5GHz base clock. 6GHz boost possibly.

>>60890444
That number seems meaningless without knowing how many cores.

>>60890476
64 core, 5ghz processors

whats hard to understand?

>>60890537
Processors are already capable of hitting 5 GHz and the main problem running them at that speed has been heat. Given that, simply claiming 5 GHz without any other information is meaningless.

>>60890592
Are current cpus advertised as 5ghz ones? No. They can barely oc to that. This one will operate on that as base clock.

>>60890676
>They can barely oc to that
Because heat. A modern high performance single core or dual core could hit that easily.

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>>60886302

>>60890358
>>60890444
>>60890476
That figure is the fmax of test silicon that the fab deems to be an average representation of a complex IC. Its not specific to any one chip or architecture. Its just a baseline for what the process is capable of.

>>60886302
Globalfoundries? more like liarfoundaries

>>60890781
>10nm slower than 14nm
Brian kys.

>>60890726
You're not funny.

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>>60888989

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Nazi philosophy, is in fact, judaism, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, luciferian saturn worship. Postmodernism is not an ideology unto itself, but rather another jewish component of a fully functioning control system made useful by the edomites, shabbos goy and useful idiots comprising a full society as defined by (((sociologists))).

>>60889088
Reads like Metal gear solid.fucking darpa, they will take over the world with their crazy robots any time

>>60890964
Now this is funny.

>>60887339
>for now

>>60890923
yes it is, i think it is hilarious

Does this mean anything for AMD GPUs though?

>>60891170
Yes. Their future GPUs will be on this same 7nm process as well.
AMD had a golden goose just fall into their lap.

>>60891180
Well my gaytx670 can last another 2 years then.

>>60891184
They'll be out next year.

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>>60886473
>60% less power consumption
>reliable 5 GHz operation
>7nm Zen+ comes around
>16 core 32 threads is now possible at a higher clock rate than current 8 core 16 thread models for the same power consumption
>5 GHz overclocks with liquid cooling
Serious question, how much more improvement are we actually going to see in home computers? Are we at a point where the power of home computers is going to start tapering off and we return to integrated, less customizable designs like in the early years of home computers?

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>>60891307
So what Navi then? And what were 1H and 2H again in regards to calendar dates again?

>>60891393
>>60891307
Oh nvm 1st/2nd half. But considering yields and all, will be really see consumer products at 7nm before 2019?

>>60891385
>improvement on performance
>regression in philosophy
huh?

>>60890792
>10nm slower than 14nm
they've been saying this shit for years and years.
the dies are so small that keeping them cool is getting near impossible

>>60891409
>Products expected to launch in 1H 2018, ramping volume in 2H18.
a leaked roadmap from AMD showed a 7nm GPU coming in the first half of 2018 too.

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>>60886512
i kek'd

>>60891414
>regression in philosophy
It wouldn't be a regression in philosophy at that point. If computer performance advances to the point where someone could easily afford much more power and capabilities than home applications would ever actually need, what purpose would having the ability to add even more capabilities on top serve? Sure workstations would still exist, but just like today most people wouldn't need a workstation.

>>60890690
>easily
Not without burning up they don't. They need some really good cooling systems to stay at that continually.

This is talking about being at 5GHz, at idle, nice and cool.
7nm makes your most powerful 16nm chip look like shit.

>>60886302
anyone care to give a brief synopsis for a lurking normie?

>>60891440
Vega20 is probably cancelled.
>>60891423
How in the fuck does AMD manages to keep dies cool?

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>>60891477
>implying workstations can ever have enough power

>>60889088

This is what i believe to be the case. Notice how all this SJW shit excursed in earnest around 2011 after OWS (which i supported at the time when it was about how the top tiny slice of society is (((somehow))) getting away with like 50% of all generated wealth) was brought low by fucking proto-SJW millenial trash. And now no one talks about that shit anymore, too busy talking about pale males and their patriarchy. None of this is a coincidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCwhlZtHhWs If you listen carefully you can actually hear the moment whitey gets laughed at for questioning a move away from egalitarian principles, gives up and goes home.

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>>60886302
>7nm
jesus

What's the size where quantum tunneling starts to become a problem again?

>>60891540
3nm AFAIK.

>>60886302
From my time in the VLSI industry I learned that each company defines their process differently, i.e. one company's 10nm could be equivalent to another's 7nm
In short, I'll wait for launch

>>60891604
GloFo's 7nm DUV is a bit denser than Intel's 10nm.

>>60888922

gotta be secular since they employ some Jews and indians to run it.

>>60891505
Workstations would continue to advance and be modular as they are currently, I'm just talking about the average home computer people use for games and other normal home uses. At 60% less power consumption with current processor capabilities you're reaching the point where laptop TDP CPUs would be enough for people who are fine with current capabilities.

>>60891604
Area scaling metrics are known from published figures provided by each company. IBM's 7nm FD-SOI FinFET process is denser than intel's 10nm bulk FinFET.

>>60891540
intel says they can go as small as 5nm

>>60891625
Is it really FD-SOI FinFET? Paper lists it as bulk CMOS.

>>60888638
AMD is back. Global foundries had collaborations with samsung and IBM. They took IBMs foundries and now they are leading the industry.
Intel is losing its edge, and competition means innovation.
In the past 5 years intel had both better foundries and cpus. AMDs fx line was shit, so Intel didnt really had to innovate. Incremental upgrades were more profitable.

>>60891638
Yes, its FD-SOI. IBM was an SOI foundry. They published papers for the SOI consortium on their 14nm, 10nm, 7nm SOI FinFET processes.

>>60891620
Normies are already fine with laptops and smartphones, though.

>>60891685
>FD-SOI FinFETs
I am so erect.

That is several kilometers large OP looks nothing like 7nm

>>60891646
How short-sighted is Intel that they saw AMD as their only real competition and thought they could just bully their way into mobile spaces, too?

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>>60891719
You forgot to enhance.

>>60889101
The elite in the UAE and KSA are very secular. Most pretty much live like any other degenerate western one percenter, and they have been trying to slowly push secular reforms for decades. The problem is, they'd get overthrown by their religious population and the Islamist establishment if they went full secular. This is what happened to the Shah of Iran.

>>60891702
Not for their games they aren't.

LMAO Intel is still better for single threaded performance, which is were 90% of consumer computing is happening anyway.

Nobody cares about streaming games.

>>60891954
Put your trip back on.

why doesnt intel just fucking quit putting their shit integrated gpu's on the cpu die and just use that space for more transistors? fuck making them smaller just ditch that gpu shit

>>60892013
They did exactly that in the next line-up. It's still shit.

>>60892013
They actually do it, HEDT stuff and E5 1xxx Xeons are exactly that.

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>>60892013

hmm where have I read about GF's 7nm before...
http://semiaccurate.com/2016/09/26/globalfoundries-7nm-process-isnt-even-close-name/


>>60891646
>AMD is back.
By not having your own fabs AMD introduced a middleman that takes a slice of its profits.
it made sense not to have their own fabs when they were struggling, but now with a potential hit on their hands they might be handing over ~50% of the revenue just to GF.
IBM, GF, TSMC all expect a return on what they have so far put into these fabs, AMD and everyone else that wants to use them has to pay.

>>60888877
Some of the rich gulf states invest in literally everything so they don't get fucked once the oil runs out.

>>60892061
It's denser than Intel's "10nm".

>>60892061
oi vey a sheckel has been deposted into your avvount

>>60892133
You're not funny.

>>60892100
Yeah Charlie was completely talking out of his ass. Hes desperate for sub money so he writes trash while the other guy Thomas Ryan does reviews.

>>60891547
Is there any way to deal with it effectively, besides standard error correcting?

>>60892302
u wot m8
Different transistors are how you curb aberrant leakage in short channel devices. Error correction in software isn't even in the same realm.

>>60892302
there is no redundancy at that level

>>60889456
If they can code go ahead if they just plain suck BFTO. Industry should move ahead by pure skill not gender. For example look at based Lisa Su asian and woman, but god does she get the job done? As for now defiantly.

I don't even know what's happening and I'm hyped

>>60886302
what happens when we reach <1nm?

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>>60894689
That won't happen with silicon.
I don't know whether it'll happen in our lifetime at all.

>>60892061
Running a fab costs a lot of money though. Thats why nvdia is still profitable and uses TSMC for their gpus. While intel has its own fabs and is at a struggle for their next toc to 10nm. AMD does not have to spend money on R&D for fabs and their equipment upgrades and 80% of yields is pretty much a fuck loads of profit. If 7nm works out beautifully Amd can expect to earn even more.

>>60886302

>10 years later at Intel HQ
>"time to launch 10nm++++++++++ boyssss"

>>60886823
no. no it's not gonna happen. amd will lose somehow and intel will get their act together. they have to. please delete this as it is (blood) libel.

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>>60895441
You forgot your pic

>>60886816
>delayed
i read delidded, kek

>>60886315
>Using EUV along with stacked nanosheet technologies IBM in partnership with Samsung and Globalfoundries built a functioning 5nm test chip.
So? It's years from reaching production, if it ever will.

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>that feel when AMD spinning off its fabs is paying off

AMD pls use EUV

>>60891604
well, they are different, but not any 7nm is still going to be smaller than any 10nm, the differences aren't that huge

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>>60895889
took a little while, but we got there

>>60886559
For once letting modern IBM do something didn't result in a trainwreck.

What it means is that I don't care.

AMDs turn to get a chance, and prices will stabilize some.

Win win for costumers.

IBM is the real shitwrecker, how the fuck did they manage that?

>>60897384
>Company founded by Nazis, was a strict meritocracy of the best minds around
>on the absolute ground floor of the computer revolution
>post war have close ties with government
>involved in pretty much every major government affair in modern history
>IBM grows into a behemoth behind the curtain
>exiting the consumer market more or less keeps them out of the public eye
>Though IBM continues their mainframe business, and providing support, they exist now as an almost purely research organization
>defacto is permanent fixture of DARPA, might as well be a branch of the DOD by themselves
>still a strict meritocracy

Whether its Japanese doctors who performed human experimentation coming to the US to take over and advance our medical industry, or German physicists and mathematicians who put us on the moon, America absolutely thrived off of Nazi science.

>>60895889
Worst grill

>>60897588
The jews fear the Nazi

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>>60886302
Oh no surely this is the end of Intel, said the desperate AMD shill for the 1000th time

>>60897817
Put your trip back on.

>>60897843
There must be a high correlation between paranoid schizophrenia and AMD shilling

>>60897856
Intel assumed that AMD is their only competition. As can be clearly seen by anyone who isn't a complete retard, IBM Samsung and GloFo are teaming up, and AMD is just benefiting from it. Kill yourself.

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>>60897891
Oh gosh how will Intel ever recover

>>60897939
>No growth since 2015
Accurate.

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>>60897951
Poor Intel they are in so much trouble

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>>60897970
>Pic related, the only Intel processors able to be competitive

>>60897970
Chump change to their server business thats about to get facefucked by Epyc.

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>>60897939
>surely this trend will continue indefinitely despite Intel losing their arch and fab advantage at the same time

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>>60897998
Yes surely Intel is finished this time..."Just Wait" (TM)

>>60898017
I can feel your desperation, Brain.

>>60898017
Writing's already on the wall, you can play shill damage control all day.

Isn't Intel shooting for 10nm a year from now? AMD get your shit together and get ready to tape out for 7nm zen+ and navi.

>>60898076
>Isn't Intel shooting for 10nm a year from now?
And? Their arch is garbade.

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>>60898040
Yes so very desperate

Top kek at FX processors outselling Ryzen

>>60898100
Yes, Brian, only six days left to shoah.

>>60898108
AMD shills are truly brain damaged

>>60898116
Yes-yes, Brian, hang yourself before board of directors will do that for you.

>>60898137
AMD shills literally start making up names for people

I always wondered, do insane people realize they are insane?

>>60898151
Brian, what about Cannonlake-EP/EX? What about
>datacenter first to new nodes
?

>>60898161
Seek help

>>60898174
Where did server Cannonlake go?

>>60898184
Where did your sanity go?

>>60898108
Epyc NDA end is the 20th right?

>>60887910
Wrong. Navi is confirmed being expedited after vega for the 7nm node. Polaris 20 may be axed.

Zen+ designs are already completed behind the Zen server cores.

>>60898194
Yup.
>>60898192
Where did the fucking server Cannonlake go?

>>60898194
Yeah I think.

>>60898220
Will you ever solve your mental illness?

>>60898237
Brian where the fuck did server Cannonlake go? You promised datacenters first to new node faggot.

>>60898220
>>60898225
Ah ok.

>>60898227
Thought it was simply end of the NDA?

>>60898246
I bet you don't even realize how crazy you sound

>>60898252
No, it releases on June 20th, along with NDA lift.

>>60898274
Ahhh. I look forward to it then. The silicon itself is for the most part mature, most of the bugs that Ryzen started with have been dealt with, and it does bring quite a bit of competition to the table in terms of featureset and I/O. Should be interesting.

>Intel still has a fab advantage, that's two years ahead of the competition

What fab advantage?

>>60898357
Intel's 14nm process is the only true "14nm" process. The rest are 20nm BEOL + finfets.

>AMD will have EUV 7nm in 2019
>intil will be on 10nm until 2020 or 2021 because their 7nm facility is still under construction
>AMD will have 5nm GAA nanowires by then

LOL

>>60898357
>>60898375
Intel has no advantage. Their 10nm bulk silicon FinFET is less dense than IBM's 7nm FinFET, and IBM's process is an advanced FD-SOI instead of cheap bulk silicon.
Intel is officially behind the curve now.

>>60898467
IBM's 7nm is Bulk CMOS with SiGe Fins, anon. 12FDX is coming later.

>>60898467
AMDelusion

>>60898490
>denial

>>60898494
AMDenial

>>60898486
Its an FD-SOI process.
All of thier FinFET nodes they developed were SOI. IBM is an SOI fab. 32nm was PD-SOI. 22nm was FD-SOI.
IBM gave presentations on their 14nm FD-SOI finFETprocess years ago.
It isn't bulk.

All these Intel shills hopelessly defending a DOA platform, holy shit.

>>60898375

That's supposed to be a benefit, because...?

>IBM also claims that compared with existing 10nm technology, its 5nm tech can offer 40 percent improved performance at the same power consumption or 75 percent power savings at the same performance level as current designs

An 8 core 5nm Zen with a 45w TDP would be approximately 20% faster while consuming drastically less power than the current 14nm 95w 8 core Zen. And that's just from a node shift.

>>60898500
>denial
Absolutely ebin, put moar bingbus and 80 masks, who the fuck needs EUV?
>>60898511
GloFo's paper lists it as Bulk CMOS though.

>>60898527
Either GloFo marketing made a mistake, or the process has nothing to do with IBM.
IBM did not develop bulk FinFETs.

>>60898527
Just keep spouting buzzwords while AMD keeps getting demolished as usual.

>>60898593
>denial
Beawesome, put your cringy trip back on.

>>60898605
It's amazing how stupid you truly are

>>60898617
Put your trip back on.

See, this is why we need fucking post IDs, so when one faggot starts shitposting its 2-3 clicks to block the cunt for the rest of the thread.

>>60898629
>still being this stupid

>>60886302
RIPtel

>>60898578
Thats because this is a continuation of Samsung's partnership with Global Foundries. They're going to be sharing 7nm IP just like they did at 14nm with 14LPP.

Samsung and Global Foundries jointly worked on a radical new approach to FinFETs. Samsung decided to forgo bringing the node online until they had EUV at mass production levels, but Global Foundries developed some immersion tech thats ready for prime time, so they're bringing it to market sooner.

"To speed signaling, the GF/Samsung 7nm process will use “dual-strained channels on a thick strain-relaxed buffer virtual substrate to combine tensile-strained NMOS and compressively strained SiGe PMOS for enhancement of drive current by 11% and 20%, respectively,” its abstract said. The approach uses a “novel trench epitaxy to minimize the resistance of the highly scaled contact regions,”

IBM expertise might be behind GloFo's confidence in bring this node online, but not their process IP at this time. Looks like this is Korea Stronk.

>>60898753
No, this is IBM's 7nm. Samsung will adopt low power version, GloFo will produce HP one for AMD and future IBM products.

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>>60897817
>>60897856
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>>60897970
>>60898017
>>60898100
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>>60898264
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>>60898500
>>60898593
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>>60898685

Are kikes really intimidated by technical jargon?

>>60895874
Its still better than Intel having radio silence on their upcoming node shrinks.

>>60898944
Hard to announce anything when your building isn't even complete.

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>Look at me, I am the pajeet now