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first for HP sucks

>>60859714
Second for HP sucks.

4 G H Z

A L L C O R E S

A L L T H E T I M E

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>>60859714
Second for HP sucks with exception of HP 2570p (being the master race and official /g/ destroyer of x220 and x230 thinkpads)

>>60859222

Yeah, 2570p for max performance if you decide to pay up, but you better have house insurance ;)

Here are some CONS I found about 2570p:
-heavy (4.5lb vs 3lbs)
-huge ugly bezel around the screen(lelnovo have em too but they did them right)
-no mSata
-small track pad
-no keyboard backlight(x230 has it PLUS the light bulb)
-comes with ton of useless bloatware
-telephone jack(this is debatable desu so not really a con)
-cd/dvd drive(who needs these anymore. they could have saved some lbs here)
-TN only display(dankpads come with IPS option)
-disgusting keyboard layout

IMO at stock level x230 wins, but if you gonna rig 2570p then it wins.
If you have time and money to bother with "extra" performance then get 2570p.
For those who want it to "just work", and then simply upgrade to the next gen x230 in 2020 or whenever will be happy with the thinkpad.

The big plus for HP is that it looks terrible so I guess no one will want to steal it for you.

>>60859662
><**30

Opinion Discarded.

>>60859747
>-cd/dvd drive(who needs these anymore. they could have saved some lbs here)
are you retarded? This is literally how you mount second 2,5" HDD. So msata isn't needed, unless you want 3 drives in one laptop.
>comes with ton of useless bloatware
and let me guess, you're too retarded to install linux or clean windows if you count this as con?
It's like thinkpads aren't infested with bloatware... lmao
>-small track pad
??? You mean touchpad or trackpoint?

For vidya, would it works better an i7-3520M/Quadro K1000M than a i5-4210M with integrated graphics?

>>60859776
whoa dude, it's shit because you said so?
Or do you have an actual argument WHY it's OBJECTIVELY shit?
Because you do realize nobody gives a fuck about your opinion on things?

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*blocks your path*

What a cool idea for a thread!
How's it going, guys?

- Posted from a thinkpad

>>60859823
Well I never expected a thinkfag to call chiclet keyboard "acceptable".
So your opinion is immediately discared since you got no valuable argument to stand it up.
Also enjoy your housefire t430 with extra bit of housefire via overclocking. :^)

Is T450s worth the money ?

I wanted to go newer because I prefer the new Lenovo logo desu, but t450s looks very solid

>>60859813
I respect your preference but prefer the classic keyboard.

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>>60859962
>I respect your preference but prefer the classic keyboard.
Signed: Rakesh Ghale

>>60860018
It's okay Rakesh, the chiclet keyboard is fine.

>>60859759
>are you retarded?
I agree.

>It's like thinkpads aren't infested with bloatware
They are, but their bloatware is "better".

>??? You mean touchpad or trackpoint?
Touchpad.

>>60859802
See >>60859813
But come on now.

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>>60859962
classic is justice.

>>60860109
The one on the bottom looks cool

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>>60860040
x230 touchpad is smaller than 2570p. x230 touch keys space is restricted, so be fair and count two physical touchpad buttons in 2570p too.
>They are, but their bloatware is "better".
How? default 2570p OS image has exact same functionality provided by "bloatware", which is 3d drive protection (same as thinkpad APS), system updater, support client (showing warranty info, etc), thinkpads also got the power manager which is integrated in case of 2570p into the support client. Both got hotkey support, all drivers, etc.
So how is thinkpad bloatware better? Please elaborate. I'm really interested in what you're talking about.
>But come on now.
I don't recall saying thinkpad shitlet keyboard is acceptable. In fact this funny print screen button instead of menu key is a deal breaker for me and in my previous t430 I had to replace the entire keyboard just to get this key.
But 2570p keyboard is fine, as long as it's genuine and you replace this small rubber piece of shit with ThinkPad clit.

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>>60860159
>But 2570p keyboard is fine, as long as it's genuine and you replace this small rubber piece of shit with ThinkPad clit.
and I say this as a person who owned all thinkpads between x100e and w530.

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>>60860223
here's the updated setup

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>>60860232
my previous t430

T430 or T440p, lads?
Is Haslel CPU worth extra money?

>>60860316
It depends. It's a toss-up.

If you're okay with the new keyboard, the other question is do you like the new trackpad and are you willing to mod in the new one when you upgrade your CPU?

>>60860159
>>60860223
>>60860232
>>60860287
I guess I got told. You win.

>>60860563
>>60860159
>>60860223
>>60860232
>>60860287
your opinion is objectively wrong and belongs in the trash

amazon.com/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-Notebook-Professional/dp/B01GU28ZSU

Is this gonna be Linux compatible or is the wireless card gonna fuck me?

how do you remove the lettering stickers on a thinkpad keyboard without melting/fucking the keys up

why do chinknovo shills get so butthurt.

the 2570p is the superior ultraportable.

I legit think the 2570p autist just does it because you all get so butthurt.

>>60860638
Alcohol or nail polish removal.

Do you need a SPI flasher for the **20 keyboard on **30 ThinkPad mod? I saw the classic keyboard and now I'm tempted to do that mod...

>>60860858
no

>>60860873
Then how do you make it work fully? I remember reading about flashing something, but is it simple or do I need external means of doing so?

>>60860979
You just compile the EC patch for your system then flash it with a FreeDOS drive.

>thinkpad general
>dominated by a single hp shitposter

>>60861125
>Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).

>>60861248
at this rate might as well make /hpg/

>>60861261
>muh shinkpad circlejerk

>>60861269
who are you quoting?

>>60861261
you keep falling for his bait.

Budget: $300
Location: US
Size: small and light
Performance: good
Other requirements: for gaming

>>60861329
Small and light with good gaming performance for $300? That's easy: you want a W530.

>>60861391
>Anonymous 06/11/17(Sun)18:57:48 No.60861391 ▶
> >>60861329 (You)
> Small and light with good gaming performance for $300? That's easy: you want a W530.

Is heavy and over $700

Wow, my friend saved me from buying an x240. Those things have the fugly clickpad, and I cba to replace it with a proper (x250) one.

Anything else in that sort of vein I should check out? I just want a nice $300, used 12-14'' laptop. Part of what drew me to the x240 was that I could upgrade the screen to 1080p IPS.

>>60861391
Is it really good for gaming? Quadro K1000M looks shit for vidya.

>>60861486
>$700
Are you retarded son?

>>60861558
I just bought an x240 and it's literally the easiest of the xx40 series to replace the trackpad on.

You're a lazy piece of shit, go buy yourself an x270.

>>60861486
>W530 over $700
That's a load of shit. It's rare to see them as low as $300 but $700 is overpriced. $400-$500 is a more realistic price range. And you won't be getting even remotely comparable gaming performance out of anything smaller in the same price range. Maybe the 8470w.

>>60861558
Maybe a T430 with a Alienware M14x display, maybe a X230 with the IPS screen.

>>60861601
Ok, where do you people these new x250 trackpads from, then?

>>60861632
eBay and Amazon both have them for ~$25 from China or $35 if you want them within a few days.

>>60861631
This is also a good suggestion. I have the former along with my modded FHD x240 for when I need to pack REALLY light.

>>60861590
Legit. 600-700$

Also, its not small at all. It's huge and weights 5+ LB.

I need lighter and cheaper even at the expense of graphics settings.

>>60861631
I like that idea, surprised T430 it's only about 5 pounds. As for the screen replacements, I'm really unsure about anything that requires adapting the new screen.

>>60861329
bump

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>>60861329
>>60862143
You're not entitled to an answer

What's better for gaming: x230 or 2570p?

>>60862391
you shouldn't buy either of those for gaming

>>60862578
why not?

>>60861740
>adapting the new screen

What did he mean by this?

>>60862846
adapting, hmm, what's a thing that adapts?

an adaptor?

>>60862865
What are you on about retard?

>>60862578
>>60862706

Yeah, why not? maybe he just wants to play morrowind. I used to play morrowind on a macbook air running archlinux :^)

>>60862878
>didn't get my shitty phrasing
>bitches when I explain it

>>60860232

The biggest con about the 2570p is the TN panel, wish there was a way to at least pop in an IPS panel.

>>60862913
Your post made no sense. There's nothing to "adapt" when installing an Alienware screen.

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Is the T550 the comfiest BigPad?

>>60859662
How's this?
Not a thinkpad, but it has great specs and is still Lenovo.
(I'm on a $1000 budget for a new college laptop. I had an old dell before, want to get something good.)
http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/perksoffer/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-y700-series/Lenovo-IdeaPad-Y700-Touch-15ISK/p/80NW002DUS

>>60863389
The laptop comes down to $969 with the EPP code, forgot to mention.

>>60863389
it's bad, don't buy that
also not a thinkpad or used business laptop, which is what the thread is about, lurk more

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Why is the HP 8570p so fucking dope

>>60863389
Kys

>>60863623
so fucking garbage*

Sorry I made a typo.

>>60863733
nice try faggot.

>>60860018

I can't tell if that's a Pajeet or a Pajeeta.

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>>60863129
>ugly
>chink build
no, that'd be the T60.

>>60860109
is that you AA computers and technology? i'm guessing based on the table

>>60860223
>4TB + SSD

anyone here have the t530?

>>60863129
>numpad shifting the keyboard, trackpoint, and trackpad to the left, resulting in an awkward shitty typing position
No, that's not comfy at all. 2/10 try again.

>>60860627
opinion can't be right or wrong.

>>60865270
what some people think is opinion really isn't it is a fact that most of the new think pads are bad its not opinion

>>60865141
I do. What's your question about it?

>>60865452
just wanted to find people using the same machine but now that i think about it is there a way to use the dock and use the display on the side of the laptop and not the display off of the dock im running linux btw

>>60865363
there is a difference between "new thinkpads being shit" and "most people thinking (considering) new thinkpads are shit".
Somehow shit design and ULV trash doesn't stop people from buying these in even increased number. So how is it? Because I think only /g/ hates new design.

>>60865519
xrandr?
just install windows sempai

>>60860018
>Ghale
Welcome to Kyrat

>>60865558
Did i ever tell you the definition of "Insanity"?

>>60865548
>there is a difference between "new thinkpads being shit" and "most people thinking (considering) new thinkpads are shit".
I'll try to dig up the text I have somewhere written by IBM's engineers at (IIRC) the Boca Raton plant on the internal IBMPC forums. They mourned the drop in quality once Lenovo didn't have to meet IBM's marks.
The first thing to go, they said, were the FlexView screens. The cases remain much the same but the guts are generic Lenovo.
The ThinkPad brand doesn't guarantee a good laptop like it used to. Just like HP no longer stands for quality products.

>>60859662
How do you guys cope with having a weird (compared to most keyboards) placement of Fn and Crtl keys? I've been thinking about just remapping them to each other so when I use other shit I won't fuck up too much, but is it even an issue in the first place? It's literally the only thing I don't like about thinkpad keyboards.

>>60859745
This
2570p and 8770w(with dreamcolor) are the only excepted elitebooks

>>60866975
I have mine swapped around in Arch
Actually I don't really care how any of the stickers look, I'm using a German layout keyboard but as long as you set your keymap to the right one it doesn't matter.

>>60859747
Anon this is some shit tier bait

>huge ugly bezel... lelnovo did em right
No they're all fucking shit af

>no msata
You new here? You can literally wire 2 additional msata slots at full sata 3 if you're willing to mod it

>small trackpad
>he uses the trackpad
>ever

>no keyboard backli-
Okay this one is actually sad but hp also has their thinklight equivalent

>come with ton of useless bloatware
Good thing we all wipe our drives and reinstall. You don't use the windows install that comes with your laptop do you anon? Only fools don't wipe their drive and reinstall

>telephone jack
Wait what

>cd dvd writer
You do know. You can swap it out.

The last two points are okay I guess

>>60859766
Dgpu>igpu
Especially since the HD 4400 is an incremental upgrade from the HD 4000. The k1000m beats both of them

>>60859813
*swaps out for a classic keyboard*
Nothing personal kid

>>60866975
There's a BIOS setting. But if ThinkPads and that fruit brand are almost all you've ever used then you never realise it's a problem

>>60860979
it will never work fully. Some combinations are still non functional and you can't use the capslock light. It's just permanently off.
But to flash the patch you just follow this instruction:
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec
All you need is a small usb drive with freedos and linux to compile chosen patches. Remember to also include the battery DRM removal patch that by default is disabled. YOu can enable it by removing the .OFF part from it's name.

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>>60867035
I have to admit, anon, that this 8770w with upgradeable MXM GPU is FUCKING NEAT.
This will be my next/second laptop.

>>60867268
>>60867035
also can you upgrade RAM to 32GB?

>>60867250
Yeah, I remember reading that Fn+F3 and Fn+F12 both do not work, but not the Caps Lock LED.
Still, it's an interesting mod to make to recover some keys, and it's easy, too, so thanks.

Budget: $250 or lower

Location: Poland

Size: max 15"

Performance: Something that can play Minecraft (lel) and Enter the Gungeon. FHD panel also desirable.

Other: Something that will let me install Ubuntu without too much hassle (don't want to buy a BeagleBoard for Libreboot)

>>60867492
>Poland
a'srash?

>>60867590
Sram w kiblu, czemu pytasz?

>>60867629
I'm sorry, I don't speak polish.
I guess I asked what's up?

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Does anyone know if this will come with a power adapter? Already asked the seller but he won't answer.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/361496251439

>>60867268
I didn't even know it was upgradable. I just thought the build and screen was really fucking neat

>>60867492
do 1000zl nic ciekawego nie znajdziesz, szczegolnie z ekranem 15"
polecam w530 z k2000m, ale musisz doplacic kilka stowek. Moze T430 z nvs5400m, ale ciezko jest na allegro dostac niezniszczone sztuki

>>60867842
it's upgradeable straight to 970m.
Supports 32GB RAM 2133MT/s, 2 2,5" HDDs, mSATA+WWAN cards. DreamColor screen is GOAT.
thinkpad are officially finished&bankroupt

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Fuck 2570p and those modern machines, NC4010 is fine

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This little guy here can push a 1920x1080 panel and its own screen 1024x768 with just 32mb VRAM. Pretty mind blowing, don't you think?

>>60867932
>>60867992
>n-no, I'm not poor. I just prefer older machines!

I bought this laptop (NC4010) for 10€. Then I needed to get a hdd cage because this machine uses some bullshittery, which took me another 11€ and HDD cost around 10€. Battery cost 15€

In total, I wash able to get this machine operational for 45€. Not too shappy, don't you think? Althought, with this sameprice I have got Z60m and T60 with dock and charger. Not sure whether it was actually worth it. I mean this computer lost its usb slot and would require some soldering to get them back.
>>60868009
Addition to this, I got 7 thinkpads so go figure. Nevertheless, it was interesting journey to but this operational. Sadly, the sdcard slot does not work. I wonder what kind of nonfree bullshittery lies there.

>>60867854
Let's just switch to English because people might get scared
What about a T420? Will the iGPU handle light (They Bleed Pixels, Factorio, Rimworld, Minecraft) games?
Inb4 >>>/v/

>>60868009
Also no bullying. Just because she is old, doesn't mean you can't give her some love. Old computers need some love too anon-kun.
Old computers have the same rights as newer computers.

You wouldn't abandon 300-year-old loli just because one is old, would you?

>>60867865
That's a pretty solid machine

>>60868009
Fuck off
You're just as bad as the mac fags

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>>60859662
What's the difference between an i7 and an i5 x220? Is it worth spending the extra $100-$150?
Are there better sources than eBay?
Are there specific keywords I need to use in order to find ones with the bigger battery that can be used as a handle?

>>60868199
i7 X220 has USB 3.0 if you care about that.
No matter what CPU you get, it will always be 2 core and x220 CPUs are soldered.

T420: does somebody know where I can buy a HD+ 1600x900 screen (shipping to germany)?
also does a higher resolution shorten battery life?

>>60868286
Is it sufficient for compiling Android applications and running them in a VM?
Can you replace the screen?

>>60868333
Yes, I think you can do that. But if you want more CPU power then you look for T420 or 2570p if you are willing to change the CPU to quadcore, if the HP-keyboard is not a problem.

Yes, you can change the screen, but your options are limited and it's a time costly project to do so. You would be better off just buying a X220 with IPS screen already installed or enjoy hunting dat screen and possibly buying +100$ for that screen.

Do keep in mind that you can install 16gb ram on a X220.

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>>60859662
>x230
Now I only need a decent SSD.

>>60868065
>Let's just switch to English because people might get scared
So? who gives a shit
>What about a T420?
Shit screen, obsolete CPU
>Will the iGPU handle light (They Bleed Pixels, Factorio, Rimworld, Minecraft) games?
Barely (<15FPS).
Get x230 with hd4000 instead. For that price that's probably best option.
If you're lucky maybe you can get the IPS version.
This one:
http://allegro.pl/lenovo-x230-i5-2-6ghz-8gb-500gb-ips-dock-db-fv-i6830870758.html#imglayer
has IPS, but 50% worn battery. Everything else looks good.
>>60868191
>using 15 years old cumstained shitpads
For what purpose, sempai? We both know this CPU can barely handle linux background activity, not to mention windows or running modern browser. So what do you need this full hd screen for?
also
>fluorescent backlight
lmao
>>60868184
yep, too bad it's 17". Im gonna get one anyway
>>60868322
>also does a higher resolution shorten battery life?
yes, since this increases iGPU load, but it's nothing to worry about.

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>>60868678
remember to max out the config, anon

>>60868498
Thanks for the help, any other opinions regarding i5 vs i7?

>>60868760
also, can you fit a DDR4 to the X220? or more than one HDD without using the ExpressCard?

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>>60868782
x220 supports by default 2 so-dimm 1333MT/s DDR3L (1.5V or 1.35V) modules. If you flash the modded bios (oleh's bios) it's unlocked to 1886MT/s
You can fit one standard 2,5" 7mm SSD/HDD inside and one mSATA 3Gbps SSD. If you dock it into ultrabase you get a ultrabay, which can hold another 2,5" 9,5mm drive.

>>60868033
>Addition to this, I got 7 thinkpads so go figure.
James?

>>60868693
>We both know this CPU can barely handle linux background activity, not to mention windows or running modern browser. So what do you need this full hd screen for?
Just to clear up any confusion, what do you mean "we"? I mean, the sole reason why I'm doing this, is because I thought to myself that modern computers are overrated and I can get by with a 10-15-years-old laptop when it comes to simple computation task such as; filling spreadsheets, browsing the internet, word processing, media consuming etc. Do you really think, you would need more than 1gb-2gb ram for those tasks? I mean our school has desktops running Win8 with only 2gb ram. Yet, I'm doing the same with 256mb ram.
>Modern browser
Define "modern". Sometimes, we can learn from the past. See IRC and why is it still being used. I mean, part of the fun of running old computers is to find solutions to these nonexistant problems which I'm currently having. But I figure, you wouldn't understand.
>So what do you need this full hd screen for?
For that screen estata because I plan to use this for heavy word processing and information lookup (intenet). Currently Midori is my top choice for a browser in this machine. I can prove you that I can replace my T61 with NC4010 because I can do the same things with it.

ps. Java sucks balls.
>>60868843
Who? No I'm just a anon-kun who fell for the thinkpad meme. T-thanks /g/.

>>60868693
I held my old toshiba p100 the other day after using 15.6" and a 14" laptop for years now
Man 17" 16:10
You sometimes understand why some people insist on 17" laptops
Then I tried lifting it
I'm a big guy but I'd never go back to a 3.7 kg machine

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>>60868738
Anon, how did you get eGPU to work with more than 8GB ram? I really need this question answered.

>>60869023
>You sometimes understand why some people insist on 17" laptops
because they want to use it as a desktop replacement. Biggest acceptable mobile computers are 15,6", unless the user is ogre-like.

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>>60869070
Turn on the x230 without eGPU connected, wait until windows logo shows up, at this point immediately connect egpu without external monitor connected. Wait until the login prompt and connect dp/hdmi cable from external monitor. That's it.
OR just flash modded bios with hardware SPI flasher.

X250, 1tb Hdd, 16 Gb SSD, 8Ram, I5 5200. us$ 390.

Good deal or not?

>>60869134
also this was tested using PE4L v2.1b module and "dumb" 120W PSU. I bet dell da-2 adapters with detection of EC power state wouldn't work, but I've never tried this.

>>60869134

EGPU support isnt native and requires a time dependent user manual config everyboot ?

why havent i heard bout this ?

>/g/'s dirty little secret ?

>>60869162
>>60869134
This is exactly what I do to get it to work with 8gb already. I boot with 12gb and it just hangs at POST if the expresscard's plugged in. Should I fiddle with the switches on my PE4C 3.0? What have you got them set to.

>>60869212
It's still "native." It could be 10x worse! On an X230 it's plug and play if you do the trick with unplugging the monitor before turning on the laptop and subsequently plugging it back in once it reaches the desktop.

The new Mac eGPU stuff they've just come out with can't even display on the laptop's own display. Any nvidia eGPU on Windows (& perhaps linux? don't know.) can do that.

>>60869224
Do you got the PERST switch?
Make it 7s.
>What have you got them set to.
Both pictures I posted are like 2,5 years old desu. Which BIOS do you have? Update it to the newest one.also you Also PE4C 3.0 uses DA-2 PSU... do you have standard 12V somewhere?
The card needs to be powered on and the fan must be spinning when you connect it during boot.
>>60869270
2570p doesn't have this issue. :^)
>>60859745
>>60860232
full plug and play support, unplugging via "safe removal" menu, 87% PCIe 2.0 x1 link capability with detachable cable, while my old x230 was 70% with soldered cable, lmao.
And I was getting repetetive BSODs during heavy gameplay (mostly fallout 4). Then got mad and sold both x230 and egpu.

>>60869378
>using the smiley with a carat nose

>>60869378
>full plug and play support
of course I mean hotplugging, not plug and play.
>>60869224
if 7s doesn't work make it 14s. I don't remember which one I was using.

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>>60868953
what's your opinion on x61?

I know this is retarded question, but how well does osu! run on older Thinkpads? And what about Wacom tablet drivers, are there free alternatives to the official ones? This is really off-topic, sorrymasen

I'm ready to buy the X230.
Kijiji or ebay?
My prob with ebay is that it asks for paypal? Also, majority of laptops have to be shipped.

so I'm looking at this X200 but can't find its S/N on Lenovo's website.

pcsupport.lenovo.com/partslookup

in fact, I can't seem to find anything related to the X200/X201. it's like they never existed.

Can X220T be used in serious digital painting? Does that touch screen worth extra $$? I would use it when I'm not at home. Having to to carry all drawfag's stuff everywhere I go is annoying.

>>60869565
I think the screen is a bit small but idk

>>60870072
Yes it can be. Although the resolution being only 1366x768 kind of sucks and the stock digitizer is not very good either, replace with a Fujitsu T5000 pen if serious. It has better pressure sensitivity and an extra side button.

It can run Photoshop, Krita, Manga Studio, etc. just fine.

>>60869134
On my x230 I just connect the thing and the computer just starts using the GPU (with optimus) 80% of the time. Almost plug and play.

It works 100% of the times if I connect everything when the computer is powered off and then power it on.

Size: 13.3"
Performance: my core 2 circa 2008? died. it was working fine
Other requirements: ethernet port

what should I get? probably looking to spend at most $300. expecting at least 5 years out of it

>>60870166
Thanks. I've another question, /g/entlemen. Can I disable reacting on the touch? I hope there is an option that allows to put my hand on the screen

Is the micron c400 shitty enough to buy another SSD these days for the thinkpad X220?

>>60870411
Yes you can completely disable touch input.

Although it is supposed to turn off touch on its own when it detects the pen near the screen.

I've got an x230i that I'd marry given the chance but it's Ivy Bridge i3 with the shit 768p screen. Aside from installing a SSD (which I've done), upping the RAM from 4GB to 8GB and getting a high capacity battery, is there anything more I can do to it? I'm thinking with the shit CPU it's probably not even worth doing the RAM.

>>60870959
replace motherboard with i7 one?
it's cheap

is the t520 good?
found one for 300$

>>60871350
yes but not for $300

>>60871362
what about t420 for 225$

>>60870783
tysm, now I know what I want buy, what an awesome piece of technology, ahhh

What's the cheapest reliable SATA SSD for a thinkpad?
The retarded prices are killing me right now.

is it easy to replace hdd with a ssd in a thinkpad

>>60871460
yes.
it's probably the easiest thing. most laptops let you do this trivially.

what is the hardest thing to replace in thinkpad?

>>60871494
Depends on the thinkpad.

>>60869457
>>60869378
Yeah I can do safe removal also, the PE4C 3.0 has absolutely no problems in terms of stability for me since I underclock my 770 (which I'd have to do anyway because the power draw is slightly over what the Dell power supply should really have to give.)

>>60869565
I have thought of buying either X60 or X61 because of libreboot. I think they are the best 12,5" sized laptops from that era. I mean this NC4010 can't even compete with X31 because of this weird keyboard. I mean the F-keys are way too small to be actually usable. Because X31 uses the same keyboard as seen in T30, I like the its keyboard way more.

But I have had my fair share of problems with these smaller machines that nowadays I would prefer T-series or W-series over X-series nowadays. Of course its always good to have experience with many computers of different sizes.

Nevetheless, its a cute little machine with all the feature you would expect from a Thinkpad. It surely gets shit done.

>>60871593
brb, adding more ram. I managed to install 2gb ram to a T30 with bios 2.01. But T30 does like other PATA IDE HDDs other than Hitachi.

has anyone been able to avoid th sttereo mix issue that makes the old star wars battlefront 2 crash? It seems that no stereo mix driver exist for thinkpads >.>

If your caps lock light flashes when windows is booting ("starting windows" screen) -- intel mgmt engine is actually lol not under your control.

>>60871494
GPU is almost always soldered. I think only the P70/P71 use MXM, and even then Lelnovo's BIOS isn't known for being very friendly to non-factory cards.

I've started some mooc's on fron-end programming, and it seems my t420 can hold all my needs for some years still.

Right now i have 8gbs ram in dual-channel config, would it be worth to upgrade into 16gigs? Or is 8 more than enough for VM's and visual editors?

I5 2540m hold's it's own fairly well. Idk if i should get rid of my dvd caddie for another HDD tho. I really want, but i don't know if i should replace it.

Otherwise, the only upgrades i actually seem to need, is a SSD and a new chink 9-cell battery.

Also, does anyone own the thinkpad precision bluetooth mouse? How does it's battery work? Is it durable?

>>60871078

How cheap are we talking? Given that it'll be HD4000 graphics whatever I do, I might just do i5.

There's nothing I can do about the screen, right?

>>60869772
Dude, that game runs even on a coffee maker, you shouldn't have any problems with any laptop at all.
As far as I know, there are not free drivers for Wacom products. Sometimes you can't have your cake and eat it.

>>60869797
eBay, it is far much better than it used to be.
For starters, your purchases are always protected now.

>>60869850
Where have you looked for them? Try eBay or a local site.

>>60870324
Any X series starting from X200 will do, work your ranks up depending on your needs.
There's also HP's 2570p (Core I 3rd Gen), and Dell's E4300 (Core 2 Duo 3rd gen, aka Penryn).

>>60871987
8 gigs is fine, but 16 are better since you can dedicate more RAM to your VMs.
Do you use the DVD drive often? If yes, keep it, if not, get a caddy, but it's actually so easy to swap them and I think you can actually do it without shutting down the whole system...

>>60871987
Get the caddy and throw any hard drives you have in the trash and get one big ssd
dvd drives and hard drives do not belong in laptops in 2017
>>60871460
it's dead simple in 99.999% of laptops
>>60871453
look for a used 850/750 evo on ebay.

>>60872054
>SSD
>used
Isn't that risking myu data integrity? With an N amout of write cycles being used.

>>60871593
12,1" to be precise

>>60872072
literally any ssd made in the last 5 years will outlive it's usefulness for any normal consumer
unless you write 100 gigs of data a day it's not going to be a problem
quit being retarded

>>60872054
You're saying that i should have a dual ssd config? That's more money than i cant think i would expent, considering i already gone to a cheap alternative like a t420.

But well, if it's easy to replace the dvd drive with and hdd, i will get one.

>>60872031
There kind of is a 1080p mod but it's basically as easy as finding a unicorn. You can install an ips screen though but you probably knew that

>>60872184
put in the caddy, dont put anything in it
that's what I was talking about

>>60871862
OK well i fixe it by installing virutal audio cable if anyone cares, swbf2 now works

looking to move from a macbook air 2013

would x200 something be the best replacement?

i'd be using it for school/programming and some light photoshop/video editing..

>>60872780
Macbooks usually are better for photo edition, due to color fidelity.

x200 is a bit old desu, you would need to expend a bit more to have a similar performance. at least a x230.

But you would still need to get a fix on the color problem. Probably work with a monitor if possible.

>>60872852
yeah i meant any x2XX, but i was looking closely at the x230.

thanks.

>Star
Found the jew
>>60869162

So are P50s shit? I have no allegiance to old thinkpads just need a good lappy

hey 2570p dork, did you need nando's egpu setup software to get around the code 12 error?

I took out the RJ11 telephone modem from my laptop.
What could I put inside the laptop in the space left by the modem and RJ11 jack?

Some microcontroller to do something interesting, perhaps?

>>60873946
It's just a 15" T560 with a CAD GPU.

>>60874188
T460*

>>60869162
>>60869134
>>60869378
Alright, I tried each permutation of switch positions and while I didn't get the hang I would get under 12gb/screen plugged in/ all switches set to 0, I basically got code 12 every time, similar to if I just hotplugged in the card while windows were already running. I haven't tried permutations with the monitor plugged in but that seems like it would be pretty pointless (I guess? Perhaps I should try it.)

I don't have an SPI flasher and that's getting a bit too involved. When I visit home over the summer I might reassemble my (already mini-itx) desktop into something as small as possible (although my graphics card is stupidly over sized and 3 slot because I got it cheap on ebay and size wasn't relevant at the time) which kind of hinders that. If I did I'd sell my maxed out X230 and get an X301 for the comfyness of a pre - core i series which is less than 2cm thick but still sturdy as fuck. Then I could run something like Manjaro with BSPWM which has been my computing equivalent of retiring to a comfy house by the seaside since I had my T60p and X220.

>>60872963
X230 is basically what you want. It's surprisingly thin too, especially for a full 35w CPU with lots of extensibilty including space for a 2.5" HD and mSATA SSD. The IPS screen's completely satisfying for general graphics but by absolutely modern standards is a bit behind.

Why is t420 better than x230?

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>>60859662
Rarely visiting this thread since getting my T430 thanks to it but I thought I'd drop by to leave this.

>>60875451
You should know the answer already. What is that you don't understand? You are wasting everyone's time with such a trivial question.

>>60875757
Hint?

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Can anyone help me identify this Lenovo? Super vague CL ad. Says its from '15, that's gotta be BS as I see what I think is a Vista sticker on it. But its $25.

>>60876123
Isn't that one like one of the business laptops chinknovo made before buying the ThinkPad brand from IBM?

Anybody find that booting an EliteBook with a blank HDD causes the system to think your HDD is fucked? I can't access the BIOS setup menu without an OS installed (it takes me straight to system diagnostics and won't let me access the place to make configuration changes) and I assume it's because it thinks the HDD is dying or something.

>>60859747
Thanks for the joke again anon.
I said that to a customer and he reamed my face in delightfully.

>>60859813
Where did this come from?

>>60860109
X40 or X3x on the bottom? I can't tell.

>>60861261
>/hpv/

>>60863129
~~A31p~~

>>60867268
I really liked the 8760W and am a fan of the 8740W, I like them a bit more than the Dell Precisions, but those benefit with more GPU options thanks to Alienware GPUs being very compatible with Dell hardware & BIOS.

Enjoy the upgrades anon.

>>60867273
Yes, on 4 slot equipped motherboards, basically a laptop that had came with a quadcore i7 is available.

>>60868009
It's kinda amazing what some old machines can do, compared to what new machines struggle on.

>>60869565
All 3 X61's are notorious for having a hot right palmrest because of the wifi card, you will need to bios flash it with middleton bios to get the wifi card unlock.

My X61T is a bit long on the tooth, the SXGA+ display is all gunkey too. :x

Still like mine though (:
Not going to get rid of it, it sits snuggly with the X31, 240X & 235. (x

>>60869797
Try offer up. I've seen Mac Pros for as low as $180 to $300, spec wise they are typically $400 to $900 machines on ebay.

I live in Miami and I'm looking to get an x220. Other than trying ebay or craigslist, are there any other ways I should go about trying to find an x220? Anything like letgo, or some used computers store?

>>60876123
Its a Y530, second photo, top left of keyboard
Its made in 2008, but he probably bought it in 2015 and the person who sold it to him said 'its good as any laptop from best buy!'

>>60876277
Are you mashing the ESC key at bootup? Usually it should work and show you the boot menus.
Maybe press FN + ESC because its an HP.
Hadn't have an issue like that, some funky shit with an Envy and dead batt w/ standard bios instead of UEFI

>>60876550
No, I'm not doing anything wrong. I think it's the default behaviour if the system thinks your HDD is dying or something. Google shows people talking about it but never because of a blank HDD, but I guess most people don't boot laptops with blank drives.

>>60876524
there's is definitely used computer shops near you, literally just search google maps for 'computers'

but they buy/sell things for profit, you won't find a good deal unless the place is going out of business or something

>>60876524
Check offer up.

>>60876567
Well, I don't remember coming across one as a problem, I believe I have booted USBs to install an OS on Elitebooks that previously had blank drives... but I cant recall for sure, too many times I've done this.

>>60870322
Do you have more than 8gb of ram?

Post your thinkfan config

I'm getting this problem with my X220 where it won't connect to my TV. I plug it in and the TV gets no signal, but my laptop gets unresponsive too about half the time. I have it set so that its screen turns off when it's plugged in, and even thought I'm not connected the screen goes dark. What's worse is that when I unplug it the screen stays dark and I can't even adjust the volume. Usually I can get it back on by logging out but sometimes I have to shut it down manually. I'm not sure if the problem is with my computer's hardware, the HDMI cable, the TV, or my software. Until today it was all working fine.

>>60876807
I'm running Ubuntu by the way

>>60876835
are you using a normal DP to HDMI cable?

>>60876917
As far as I know it's normal

>>60876626
>>60876620
Thank you duderinos for the suggestions!

T420 user here and my GRUB2 runs in 640x480 and I already made the changed to /etc/default/grub but on reboot it still runs 640x480

it's grub-efi if that matters

Why would you put a classic keyboard in a t430 when you can coreboot a t420 and put an ivy bridge processor in it?

So I was looking for a x220 but in my area there's working T400's for $75. What are the pros and cons of choosing one over the other? Is there any reason why one is better than the other? I don't need something stupid portable.

>>60877173
well the T400 is two generations older

>>60877018
Classic keyboard is easier to do and comes with USB 3.0 ports as default.

>>60877205
But does that mean anything in real world?

>>60877245
yes

>>60877254
Such as?

>>60877260
heat, noise, battery life

other outdated technology that comes with it, it's not all about gigahertz

Is goop-off harmful to the black material coating thinkpads. I have some nasty sticker residue I need to get off on a used x220

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I have the chance of buying a used T450 for ~320USD, right now i have a X220 which i bought for ~190 USD, but honestly i don't really like the screen and the volume is too low in certain situations, should i buy it and sell the X220?

>>60877531
goof-off*

>>60877532

*nix broadcom wifi drivers are a pain in the ass with those things

nah thats a fair bit of dough considering some of the MBA Knock offs that are appearing for half that...

>>60877532
the specs are kind of important

it could be worse than your X220 for all we know

Budget: 700 USD
Location: US
Size: Medium (For carrying around campus and homework)
Performance: Good
Other requirements: It will be used for CAD and Simulation. Also general browsing + animu. I would like it to be fairly light because I will be carrying it

>>60877542
>>60877531
nvm, rubbing alchohol worked

>>60877586
What, like lugging it around open in one hand?
Take a look at either the T430, or Dell's E6430. With a quad-core and dGPU, of course. In this regard T430 might be your best option, I would suggest T530 but it's probably too heavy for your needs...

If I call and get computrace disabled and I good?

>>60878700
am*

>>60859662
Is the poor meme true on here? I never see anyone talking about the X1 carbon but it apparently has good reviews. Anyone here have one?

>>60878700
Am I fucked if it's enabled and activated?

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Slice battery for under 200€. Is that possible? I find many offers for >250€ but I'm not paying more than for the x220 itself.

Is it possible to buy worn out thinkpad batteries and exchange the cells for new high-capacity cells?

>>60879347
You serious?
In poland it costs $90 with >90% capacity.
lmao

>>60879347

>slice batteries ?
>what is this magic

never seen

>did chinkpads accidently give jobs the idea for the mac air ?

I have the backbone of an old man, is the X200 noticeably lighter than the T400?

>>60877521

I have a T400 with a 2.26GHz P8400, 8GB of RAM, an HD3470, and an SSD.

For web browsing, writing, watching video, and shitposting on /g/ the C2D is still more than fine. The only downside is that it will be impossible to find replacement batteries for this machine at some point in the future.

>>60876631
I have exactly 8GB of RAM.

>>60880006
ramlet

>>60880074
What do you do that warrants more than 8GB?

8GB is just enough for my work, which involves using 2 VMs at the same time, plus the main system.

>>60880083
2x4GB VMs, gayming via eGPU, chrome with loads of tabs in the background + system takes 2GB. Of course there always needs to be free RAM if you want to keep swap disabled.

>>60880108
Okay, my VMs only need 2GB.

>>60880114
2GB each?
Even if we count 4GB of VMs, 2GB of system, 4GB max for chrome this leaves you 6GB, which is perfect for cache and some additional processes like gaymes.

I'm getting a t420(i5 2520m) and an x230(i5 3320m) for the same price, which one to buy based on functionality, future proofing and real world performance?

>>60880163
depends

Has anyone attempted to replace their stock CPU in t420 with an i7 ivy bridge. Was it worth it? What about tdp?

>>60880166
I'm a college student(computer science engineering). I don't play gaymes although I'd like to play dark souls 3(on low settings) if possible. Now which do you recommend. Btw, which one of those is more easy to repair?

>>60880163
X230 will have USB 3.0 and better graphics performance

T420 will have a CD drive

>>60880179
https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-Lenovo-T420-Ivy-Bridge-Support-i7-3540M
doesn't work, also it's not recommended because of obsolete chipset.
Just upgrade to t430 sempai

>>60880217
Thanx!

>>60880152
Yep, with windows 7 running several industrial software.

>>60880212
Which one is easier to repair with replaceable parts easily accessible? Which is more future proof(considering the upgradable processor in t420)?

>>60880229
w7 uses even more RAM than w10 or w8.1
So 8GB must be painful to use.
>>60880207
Which one do you want? Bigger, smaller screen?
Both are equally repairable. x230 can be upgraded with ultrabase and 2nd/3rd hdd, it's easier to replace screen with full hd one and there is 1366x768 IPS option straight from the factory. Also keyboard can be easily replaced to T420 (superior) one.
T420 is older, has shitty CPU, can be in theory upgraded to quad core CPU but you're guaranteed to experience housefire effect.
Get x230

>>60880251
you aren't going to swap the cpu, it's a waste of effort

>>60880259
>>60880271
Thank you m80s! X230 it is then!

>>60861261
Sure anon go make your own thread okay? As long you fucking leave this one I don't really care. Maybe I'll stop by and 8770w every now and then

>>60879473
Where in Poland?

>>60877245
>>60877260
Core2duo is really on the edge of usability anon. Especially since you won't be able to go over 4 gb of ram.
Sandy Bridge is the star of the show for now.

>>60880526
>muh shitpad safespace
>trigger warning: HP computers

>>60877532
Maybe. Broadwell as fast as Sandy Bridge so if you're looking for an upgrade in power as well this isn't it really. But if you just want a better screen and speakers go ahead. While I can't say anything exactly, I'm sure lenovo has put something with a bit more oomph in that big of a chassis. The screen is definitely an upgrade from the ass cancer 768p one though

>>60880630
No seriously if you're gonna be a huge fag about it just make your own thread. It's free

>>60880640
but this thread is about business computers in general, that's why it's mentioned in OP's post.
So why would anyone go and make their own thread?

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>>60859662
So I got X131e for sub $90. Despite being E-series it's pretty comfy. Installed SSD in it, that thing is pretty fast. Also runs videogames better than my old T410. Anyone got similar experience?

>>60881110
I was looking at those the other day for a subcompact thinkpad
how are the specs

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Can anyone ID this and is it worth the price

Guy's I impulsed bought an X200 with 2.6Ghz and 1GB ram. Is this thing strong enough to run Excel under Wine? Will be installing Gentoo of course.

>>60881310
got those rounded corners

>>60878349
Just carrying it around campus. Will I notice too much difference in a dual core Tpad?

>>60881310
>plastic hinges
no

>>60881310
can't you just ask them what it is

>>60881246
Mine got Intel Celeron 1.5GHz and Ivybridge graphics. It actualy works faster than i3-520M in my old T410.
I should warn you that it's kind of bulky, though I'm satisfied with it

>>60881436
they just said it was an edge

Can I goes into Google with Librelinux?

>>60881445
seems nice

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Can somebody please explain to me why /g/ doesn't like the X270?

pic related

thinking about replacing ubuntu with debian (running window maker) in my x220. i guess debian is a solid choice for this machine?

>>60881310
I can %100 assure you it's a thinkpad
Not a good one though

>>60881310
Dude it's blurry shitty picture I don't know what you're expecting
But I'd say it's a E420 because the hinges are mounted on the chassis and not on the display like it is on e430 or later

It's not worth it

>>60859662
Is it possible/worth it to put an ips panel in a T420? Equal or greater than the normal 1600x900 resolution. I have heard a few things about possibilties over the year. One involved losing your DisplayPort to powert the internal screen, and something about needing an extra long cable due to something being on the wrong side.

>>60859662
My T420 had some thermal throttling issues last time I used it a few months ago. Just powered it on and ran a bunch of updates and such. I'm not seeing the messages in dmesg so far, but when I first turned it on, I did see something about thinkfan failing to start in the console. What should I look into to monitor temps? Also what range should I be in? Screenfetch says I'm at 62C right now. I think it was a bit lower earlier, but it hasn't gone up much in the last half hour or so.

>>60881982
Keyboard

>>60869146
>X250, 1tb Hdd, 16 Gb SSD, 8Ram, I5 5200. us$ 390.
>Good deal or not?

???

>>60882034
Debian is a solid choice for any machine. Maybe you won't have the drivers for the wireless out of the box. In that case, after install, connect to internet with a cable, check with lspci the serial number of your wifi controller (BCM00000), check the right driver for that controller and install it usin the non-free repos.

It sound tedious, but it takes like five minutes.

I own x220 for few years now, but the shit screen is becoming unacceptable for this day and age, considering upgrading to x1 carbon 3rd gen, anything I should be aware of ?

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Post your thinkfan configs

>T60
>~80 bux
Worth it?

>>60883585
If it's SXGA+ or better.

>>60883585
I wouldn't, if it doesn't have a core2duo its going to be limited to 32bit. I have seen x220 and t420's for not that much more money which are a much better deal.

>>60883736
>>60883725
It is 1400x 1050 and dualcore proc.
Also every other options like x220 include shipping that will 1.5x up the price.

>>60883812
BUY IT

/g/ seems to hate laptops so what makes the thikpads so special ? are they easier to modify ? more sturdy ? what makes them better than any other craptop

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>>60859662
A point that is commonly missed, all models of thinkpad, including high end ones, use a low frequency of 200hz strobing back light to change screen brightness.

it will fuck up your eyes, give you headaches, etc

>>60884148
"220Hz is damn noticeable. What Lenovo refers to justifying such low PWM frequency are some old flicker-detection psychophysics studies. Indeed, 100Hz flicker was already hardly detectable. BUT those studies were about plain uniform untextured stimuli, subjects fixated at the center, no eye movements. Do we always look at a plain grey uniformly lit screens and freeze our eyes? I would suspect - no. People perform ~3 rapid eye movements (saccades) per second. During the saccade brain receives heavily smeared image, detects the blur and basically, shuts the visual input off (that's why you can't detect changes in the scene while moving your eyes!). This lasts like 0.1 sec. Basically, you visual system relaxes for 0.1 sec 3 times a sec.
Here comes the interesting thing how PWM affects this process. Low-frequency PWM means the visual system receives pulses of light, say 220 times/sec. These pulses destroy the usual blurring effect during the saccades. Instead of a smeared image, brain receives 20 sharp pulses. This completely breaks the inhibitory mechanism to suppress the visual input. This means, the visual system does not have those 0.1 sec breaks any more. It gets overused, overexcited, overstressed. People start feeling uncomfortable, but can't actually tell why. Sometimes they say that it is just sore eyes, or a headache. Sometimes they get visual seizures (like me).

TL;DR: low PWM affects everybody, some just don't understand what's wrong with them."

So, right now im thinking of buying a 2620QM for my t420.

I saw a redditor saying that after installing this heatsink http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Genuine-Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420T420-Fan-Heatsink-04W0408/182179183543, he kinda solved throttling and extreme temp., going down from 95 to 80 under workload.

I know i should get the 90w A/C, and a good thermal paste too.

Anything else to consider?

Also, im in doubt about getting the 2820qm instead. Im going for the 2620qm because i expect it to generate less heat, and be more stable, but does anyone here can confirm this?

>>60884124
The old ones are easy to modify, these days the CPU`s are soldered on the frame aniway.

But yeah, low cost, lots of spare parts, sturdy enough to go to space, linux friendly, etc.

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Hey my home boys,
>x220
I need to swap the mouse keys from an old keyboard into this one because they are all three busted.

First one to go was the middle key, the two little plastic bars underneath that extended from the key to under the left and right keys broke.

My question is this: Since are there any similar little doodads on the left and right buttons that
I need to look out for when popping them out, or do I remove them the same way I'd swap out any one of the other keys?

>>60881982
>no thunderbolt 3
Might as well get a x260

>>60884124
>/g/ seems to hate laptop
No
Lurk more
/g/ only hates it when you buy shitty laptops that don't last for shit or either when you buy a laptop for gaming or gaming laptops

So I've got a budget of $600 USD to get myself a laptop. I'm aiming for an i5 with 16GB RAM and a 256GB SSD. What's the best laptop I could hope for here? I'd prefer something I can buy off a vendor like Amazon or Newegg over eBay or craigslist.

Does i7 X220T support USB 3.0? I've heard that non tablet version of X220 supports it. Does USB 3.0 in X220T exist or fake info?

>>60884207
Why not Coreboot and go IvyBridge?

>>60884961
If you weren't retarded you could get a fully upgraded T430 Quad Core.

Trying egpu setup with my x230, have. GTX 970

How do I get it to use the internal display? If I try to run a game from it it is only trying to use iGPU unless I plug in an external monitor to the video card

Does it only work with the T430 that has the Nvidia card in it already?

>>60885216
Yes it only works if you have a Nvidia card with Optimus.

>>60881397
Maybe not if you run light or medium simulations and CAD stuff. But they definitely give you a boost should you ever need it.

>>60882531
I'm not sure if the Alienware M14x screen works in a T420. It's still TN but it's one of the best ones out there.

>>60882551
Temperatures when idle should be around 40-50 degrees.

>>60885246
Not that guy, but does it work with ANY NVIDIA graphics card? I'm thinking of getting a 750ti since that's what a friend has used for about 4 years without any kind of trouble or throttling.

>>60885200
Look, i really like Linux, but i can't do my work on gimp or others photo editors there. I really wish i could just run my distros and nothing more, but sadly the world don't work this way, at least not yet. I still need windowns for graphics works.

>>60885343
I never mentioned Linux retard.

>>60885364
How do you run windowns on a t420 corebooted?
Unless you're speaking of that super complicated gamble. I need a stable system.

>>60885422
SeaBIOS (the default coreboot payload) works fine with Windows.

>>60885440
Im gonna look for it, tough, i don't know how many years would a t420 ivy bridge outlast a sandy bridge with 2630qm. The latter is already on-par with ULV i7's from kaby lake, at least on the performance level.

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I want to get a budget laptop below 13 inches for work, browsing, light editing (inkscape) and playing shitty card games like gwent and hearthstone. Also to watch chinese cartoons.

Will the X230 or 2570p do these tasks or should I invest in something better? How good is the cpu in these, does it feel smooth while browsing assuming I get an ssd? Thanks.

>>60885610
My t420 handles hearthstone smoothly with dual-channel, but you should expect that aniway.

The amount of vram on the x230 will depend on your actual ram, so inkscape could benefit from some upgrades there.

Yea, for the tasks you've mentioned, the x230 could handle it pretty well.

https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Battery-0A36303-Retail-Originals/dp/B0085MPGDG

Legit?

Has anyone ever ordered this one for t420i? I have a t420i and I want to grab this, but I'd figured I'd ask before I jump the shark on ordering this or not

The X230 keyboard and touchpad are horrible. Who thought this is a good idea?

>>60886221
>ThinkPad
>Using the touchpad
Why did YOU think that was a good idea?
Use the clit.

>>60886241
I'm used to the touchpad.

>>60885216
Nvidia Optimus is a separate download, did you get that?

>>60886254
Get used to not using it.

The clitmouse is one of THE reasons to own a Thinkpad

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>tfw no decent i7 x230 for sale on ebay/kijiji/craigslist

They only have i5-3320M...

>>60886439
why do you want i7

it's still a dual-core, performance increase shouldn't be that much for anything

>>60886448
because usb 3.0.
also any extra performance would be good.
i would settle for i5-3360M but there are none.

>>60886511
all X230's have USB 3.0

>>60886555
what are you trying to say?

Worth for EU?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X230-Intel-Core-i5-3320M-2-6GHz-8GB-240GB-SSD-WebCam-/192087079301?hash=item2cb9483985:g:rikAAOSwt5hYiFlX

>>60886655
only the X220's have the discrepency between USB 2.0 i5's and USB 3.0 i7's

all X230's have i7's

>>60886719
i mean all X230's have USB 3.0

>>60886739
are you saying the i5 and i7 difference is negligible and that i might as well get the i5?

>>60886792
if you find a good deal, sure

is it possible to have usb 3.0 in i7 x220T? I know that normal i7 x220 has one but what about T aka tablet version?

>>60860316
I snagged a refurbed T430 with an i7, really like it but it needs to be cooled. Keyboard is meh but it works

>>60886680
I used to live there!

>>60886806
there are some on kijiji.
is ebay safer for buyers though?
i can meet up with the seller on kijiji but not ebay plus there's shipping cost.

>>60859662
Is the w530 a good choice?

>>60879107
bump

>>60880207
>i dont play games but i play games

>>60886680
Unless you can find it cheaper at the moment then yeah.. That's pretty much what I got my X220 for a couple of years ago here in Sweden. Most local ads now are still more expensive, it's fucked up

>>60880207
None of them can play dark souls 3 on low settings. Both needs an eGPU, and both have xpress slot cards.

T420 can be upgraded to a quad-core, and you just need to get a decent thermal paste and the better heatsink, like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Genuine-Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420T420-Fan-Heatsink-04W0408/182179183543

x230 can still do a lot of things, it's not like T420 is objectively better, but it can become.

>>60859858
Are you serious?
Every online tech forum has a thinkpad general it seems

>>60886812
mine doesnt

>>60887408
so x230 is the only one option for me, thanks for reply

>>60887431

Does linux/gnu systems support x230 tablet's screen? Are there any problems with drivers, etc.?