/tpg/ - Thinkpad General

>>60835799
NEETbooks suck

>>60835804
moar like NEATbooks, get rekt fag

>>60835804
what a surprise, T430 faggot still shitposting in every single /tpg/.
First try to understand how turbo clocks work in intel cpus, because you forgot to add your 4.2GHz overclock is on one core (lmao!). Secondly enjoy your eye cancer from looking at the disgusting 1600x900 screen.

>>60835799
where does the EPP discount code come from? why do we have access to it? does it expire?

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daily reminder: QC 2570p is at least 200% faster than x230. If you can live with new type of keyboard you should get 2570p instead.
>inb4 stupid t430 shitposter starts comparing it to 14" virginpad
ayy

>>60835922
don't ask questions you are not prepared to face the truth

>>60835804
http://www.strawpoll.me/13147804/r

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>buying a lelnovo chinkpad
>not resurrected elder god T70

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Has anyone here compiled their own linux kernel to cut all the generic non-thinkpad related modules and driver support?

>>60835950
seriously though, why does 4chan have an enterprise code

>T440p
>1080p IPS screen
>T450 trackpad
>16GB 1600Mhz ram
>i7 4700MQ
>256GB 42mm M.2 SSD
>1TB SSD
>9cell battery

Anything else I should add to it? Also 1600Mhz fastest it will accept?

So I had to give my w510 to my lil brother because the shit needed a pc.
I loved it. But for my next thinkpad I was thinking same size but lower temperatures
I want a boxy laptop. Should I go with something brand new or just get a w520 or something

>>60836007
2133 is the fastest
have you considered e6440 instead?

>>60836019

Already bought a T440p. Got it brand new for $300 but doesn't have dGPU but I'm not into gaming on it so that's fine.

>>60836027
then what's the point of maxing out the config?

>>60836034

Adobe premiere and photoshop.

>>60835966
>not combining it with a T60+BOE-hydis display.

>>60836027
Is there something I'm not noticing?
Why is the 440p cheaper than the 440s by a significant margin?

>>60836007
Looks good.

>>60836183

I'm OP. I think it's because of it's size and weight. The T440P seems a lot heavier and thicker. I think I snatched mine up for a bargain though, the shop that had it had been trying to get rid of it for a year. It's manufacture refurbished by lenovo but it's in immaculate condition, storage only had like 7 power on's and the battery only had 1 cycle count. Not a single dent or scratch anywhere on it.

>>60835928
but I want that god tier x220 keyboard so I use an x230 with a 1440p mod kthxbai xD

>>60836076
you'd benefit from a dgpu

AFFS/X200 anon, if you're lurking, I need your help.

my panel arrived earlier today and I just swapped it. terrible bleeding on the right side. I noticed pressure worsens the problem.

I also noticed the inverter gets hot, considerably so. did this happen to either of yours?

but I'm guessing the screen is the problem since a stuck red pixel just showed up. wasn't there the first time around.

I bought a genuine BOE-Hydis like yours (no digitizer though) but I'm thinking about trying one of the cheaper, 'compatible' ones since these are 10 years old.

>>60835917
4:3 ratio is much more comfortable than 16:9. 16:9 screens are the worst.

>>60835799
So a bunch of colleagues at work play this boring game called Overwatch and they have been trying to get me on this game but I don't have a proper desktop and nor do I even want one, since I live in a very cramped apartment.

My old T60 can't run this game so was thinking what thinkpad could run this silly game without melting?

>>60836472
Stop acting like you're better than them, you're asking what computer is good enough to play their silly game.

>>60836487
I am not better than them, I am just an old fart that have no idea about this game.
Games I used to play were on ataris

>>60836472
ow is demanding because it is played competitively, buy a desktop PC and a good mouse and make sure your fps don't drop below 120

.. you do have a 120 Hz monitor right?
and get one of those gaming chairs

I'm actually glad I overcame my overwatch addiction (played more than 1400 hours)

>>60836472
are your co workers 12 or what
overwatch is kiddie shit

>>60836529
I don't have room for a desktop and I don't want to put much money into such things. I am working constantly at various locations. So a better thinkpad than my current t60 would be ideal.
>>60836536
no they're around early 20 to early 30s I am sadly at early 40s :-/

>>60836559
igpu in current models will work at low detail, older models with dedicated gpu (w520+) will do better

>>60836559
elitebook 2570p with a 750 ti, external monitor mouse and keyboard.

>>60836472
>person in tech job is antisocial
wow huge surprise there, buddy

>>60836465
(You)

>>60837486
it's true tho. 16:9 is trash.

>>60837540
I agree. 16:10 is best.

>>60837579
true.

So I'm going to buy X131e for sub $90. Is there anything I should be aware of? Like bios password etc.?

>>60837540
>>60837579
>>60837619
for (You), agian.
Different people got different need and taste.

>>60837788
16:9 is objectively trash.

this is a fact

>>60837912
It's good for muh anime and that kind of stuff

>>60837912
>objectively
Now you're starting to shitpost.

>>60837918
anime is garbage

>>60837921
you wish

Can you guys share your battle-tested X220 thinkfan.conf?

>>60838055
X201T here, http://sprunge.us/HaHW

>>60838138

I guess the levels are quite different. Level >1 is a pain when just browsing with the X220.

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>x250 1080p ips
>fly to the us
>take my ssd out and put a tamper evident sticker on the laptop
>"if they ask me to decrypt anything at least they won't take my laptop because there's no disk in it"
>cbp: decrypt your shit
>no
>they take my ssd, phone, but also my x250 and everything else electronic
>only kept my watch because it was mechanical
>this was 6 months ago
>now live in a country where the only x250s I can find are 768p
>no sign of my laptop ever being returned, or if the tamper evident sticker will be broken or not
>I may never own the perfect laptop ever again

i'll paypal anyone here $20 to come shoot me in the fucking face

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>>60838249

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>>60838249
>trusting the burning trainwreck that is american airport """""security"""""

You did this to yourself

>>60835840
Aren't all business grade laptop really neat?
Like my friend started having heavy glitching all over """gaymen""" consumer grade shit while our beasts keep chugging.

>>60838249
>flying to the US with electronics

>>60838249

> And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
> O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Looking at this T430, there seems to be no optical drive and it's covered with a plastic blank cover. Is this thing gonna have the sata connector in there though? If I want to upgrade storage or something with the caddy that goes in there.

>>60838249
topkeku

How loud is the x220? Will I be the loudest kid in class if I buy a refurbished one?

>>60839981
it could be silent or loud, it's up to you

>>60835799
I recently got an X200 with libreboot, it's pretty epic

>>60840048
Explain.

>>60840140
if you leave an HDD in it and run the fan at full blast then yeah it's a little noisy

if it has an SSD and the fan is at idle then it'll be silent

What models run at hotter than normal temps at higher than i2?

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What's the state of hackintosh on HP 2570p / X220?

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When did X220 fall to X230?
And why is 2570p is being shilled in /tpg/?
Is the hardware of second gen Core i have became obsolete?

>>60837918
You're watching shit anime then. Good anime is in 4:3

>>60840659
you're shit.
stop posting already

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>>60840430
AHEM

ok, i created a walkthrough list when shopping for a used Thinkpad:

>look over the laptop for any signs of physical damage and cum under the keyboard. slightly shake it and listen for any loose components.
>ask if you can take off the lid to look at the internals(memory, cpu, hdd/ssd, wifi)
>turn on the laptop and let it boot to OS. listen for any unusual noises
>look at the screen for any dead/stuck pixels and etc
>reboot laptop into BIOS/UEFI and check to make sure: no supervisor password, computrace is disabled, check cpu and memory specs
>on lenovo website check the service tag for stock specs and warranty
>restart and boot into OS, open a notepad app and test all the keyboard keys
>check with speccy for temperatures
>open web browser go to YouTube and play a vid in 1080p at full volume(no meme vids, don't make the seller uncomfortable, something normie like the "wrecking ball" song will do)
>test wifi and wifi button
>test all ports
>test power adapter and check battery info via preinstalled lenovo battery app(if it isn't installed punch seller in the face then continue)
>if circumstances allow form it, download and play a ranked match of Heroes Of The Storm on low-med settings

what else would you add?

>>60840732
Just because it runs, doesn't mean it works.

>>60836472
My T430 runs it at 30 fps at 720 on very low. A W model or new T should have a bit better luck. Just don't get anything older than the w520

Imo the game isn't that fun anymore so I wouldn't go with something too expensive either

>>60836529
>120 hz monitor
>gaymen chair
Summer fag go home

>>60836559
>>60836529
Disregard this fag btw

>>60840750
>slightly shake it and listen for any loose components
This.
I got T420 that will lose sound output unless shaken.
>take off the lid
That's why you bring a USB flash drive with puppy to test it.
>look at the screen for any dead/stuck pixels and etc
And try wiping the small smudges, sometimes it can't be removed.
Also try displaying grey image and look at the screen from different angles.

>open web browser go to YouTube and play a vid in 1080p at full volume
Why?

>what else would you add?
Check the thinklight and Windows Activation key.

>>60840720
>getting butthurt over shitty anime taste and shitty aspect ratio

Is there an Intel security flaw on thinkpads? If so how do I fix it?

>>60840930
Yeah, Intel ME

>>60840912
I'm not butthurt. I just told you you're shit.
Why so aggressive?

>>60840908
Thanks.
>Why?
That's because what I'm planning to use it mainly for.

>That's why you bring a USB flash drive with puppy to test it.
Test can take a while. Just open the lid, look at internals and make sure they don't smell like coffee, turn on the laptop and if it goes through POST then everything should be fine.

>Also try displaying grey image and look at the screen from different angles.
that's a good one. thanks!

>>60840930
run the firmware update

>>60840959
I'm not aggressive

>>60841066
yet you're shit :^)

>>60840750
Just buy from ebay.
If something doesn't work, you can complain to the seller and they will bend over backwards to fix it because they know that you can complain to ebay and ebay will force a total refund if the customer is dissatisfied.
And you'll even get to keep the thinkpad.

>>60841081
How do I know you're not shit though? What if you're a piece of shit calling people shit

>>60840457
Well, when USB 3.0 was widely used and made 2.0 unusable for some.

Because of the main reason shills happen to anything: desire for attention, aka bait.

It isn't that old, but in regards of iGPU it gets it's ass kicked by Ivy Bridge.

>>60840930
>>60840950
Libreboot will disable the Intel ME on the Core 2 Duo CPU's

>>60841099
I might be a piece of shit, but it doesn't make you less shitty.

Are there models of T420 without Bluetooth?

>>60841278
pretty sure it was optional so yes

but you can also just disable it in the BIOS or remove the bluetooth module itself

>>60840971
then you should use mpv for that.
Save RAM and better playback.
>Test can take a while
Not really.
HWinfo will check if the hardware match what's advertised
HDD short test takes 2 minutes, and you can see the S.M.A.R.T. data, run small CPU stress test

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what does /tpg/ think of my new little elitebook?

specs:
i7-640LM (1st gen)
integrated GPU
8 GB DDR3
3G modem with GPS
no HDD yet
i bought it from a flea market for $75 (i'm in eastern europe). i found it very weird that it only takes 1.8" HDDs and it didn't come with one, or with a charger, but it's in very good condition.

i already ordered a 2.5" SATA drive adapter for the DVD drive bay.

>>60841539
forgot to mention the fucking model. it's a 2540p.

>>60841539
This is mid-2000s HP design right?
What an ugly fucking mess.

>>60841583
the 2540p is from 2010-2011 but i don't mind the design. the lid is all brushed aluminium which looks pretty good

>>60841583
the palmrest is also aluminium, which i've never seen in a laptop before and i like it since the palmrest is the first area that usually becomes shiny in any other laptop

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why does entering UEFI depend on Windows?

Pressing F1 (or Fn+F1) during boot doesn't work. The only way is to do the following in Winblows 10:

> Settings -> Updates & Security -> Recovery -> Advanced Startup -> Restart Now -> Troubleshoot -> Advanced Options -> UEFI Firmware Settings -> restart

This is retarded! There is a prompt during boot to press F1, but pressing it does nothing.

>>60841690
You press ESC before post, dummie.

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>>60840429
Asking again

>>60841756
just get 2570p dude, it's better

>>60841539
I appreciate the fact HP can take a quad core cpu and all that, but damn do they look butt fucking ugly.

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>>60842099
This one can't. 2570p can

I have a Intel 7265 m.2 wifi card. Can i use it on my T440p and would it have any benefit over the standard 7260 card?

>>60842145
7265 is a fixed version of 7260
yes, the connection will be more stable in low signal usage

>>60842145
no

>>60842184
I'm guessing Lenovo whitelists their wifi cards in bios.
Hopefully coreboot gets ported some day.
I have some development knowledge how can i help porting it?

>>60842501
>coreboot
kek
enjoy you're degraded CPU performance

>>60842501
https://www.coreboot.org/Developer_Manual#How_to_support_a_new_board

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Did Lenovo remove their drivers for W series below W520? What the hell man?

What's a good mobile workstation for under $1400 USD shipped to Toronto/Canada.
(Used to edit 4k video and render shit in Solidworks)

>>60843604
Shit, my W500 is in the mail, anyone got a link?

>>60843604
I don't think so, their manual search thing sucks.

Get the serial number off the bottom of the laptop and stick it in here.
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/?menu-id=Technical_Support&menu-id=technical_support

>>60843704
https://www.debian.org/CD/

>>60843704
use snappy driver installer

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Is the T420 the best option for a linux laptop?

>>60835917
I get 4.0GHz on all cores, all the time, with a boost to 4.2GHz on one core and 4.1GHz on 2 cores.

Try to understand how overclocking works.

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>>60844387
what CPU do you have in it?

>>60844576
i7-3840QM.

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>>60844666
>madlad cpu
>666 trips

>>60842501
>>60842601
Coreboot cannot be ported to anything after IvyBridge until Intel's Secure Boot is broken or someone leak's Lenovo's keys.

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Hi.

So I accidentally dumped a cup of coffee on my thinkpad T430. It drained well as per protocol, no issues at all with the exception of one. My mouse buttons, scroll button, arrow keys and the lock are sticky and shitty when pressed. How do I go about resolving this?

>>60845174
remove keyboard
wash it under warm running water
leave it to dry for a day

if it's still bad then repeat with the keys removed

at least, that's what I did and it fixed it for the most part

>>60836168
Please explain what this means

Do the new Thinkpads have drain holes?

>>60845213
Howsabout the lock thingy? That's sticky too...

>>60845251
what do you mean, the kensington lock, the fingerprint reader, or what

if it's those, a damp cotton bud should be fine, try isopropyl alcohol if water doesn't cut it

>>60845277
I was referring to the laptop lid lock. Maybe a little clarification could have helped.

>>60835928
but those have same shitty 1366x768 screens?

>>60845174
Don't listen to this fucking retard.
DO NOT USE NORMAL WATER. If you don't want to manually clean every keyboard layer with isopropyl alcohol use demineralized water.

>>60845416
yes
>shitty
far from it, at least for most users.

>>60845403
the latch?
you could try a cotton bud, or if that isn't enough, remove the palmrest and try getting at it that way

>>60845441
worked for me desu, with an x200 keyboard

if it can survive coffee or soft drinks it can likely take a quick wash in water, it's not like it's the motherboard or anything

he's got the chiclet keyboard though, which might not be as easy to clean

>>60845481
Ah, yeah fucking should have thought of that. I'll make sure I am careful. My first thinkpad, never disassembled one before, so I'll make sure I read up first. Many thanks!

TL;DR on FHD IPS mod for X220?

>>60846796
https://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=122640

>>60845441
I used water for cleaning my x220 keyboard. It still works as usual.

Is this too sketch?

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-W520-Laptop-Intel-Core-i7-2720QM-2-20GHZ-500GB-HD-8GB-No-OS-/142388147822?hash=item2126feb66e%3Ag%3AsacAAOSwZKBZHzIx&_trkparms=pageci%253A157c47da-4e3c-11e7-955f-74dbd180c480%257Cparentrq%253A9488097f15c0a86005a1cfa3fff3dc46%257Ciid%253A13

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I have a T500. I get one 54mm Expresscard and one 32-bit cardbus slot, yes? The wiki features list for the T500 has "(on select models)" after both of those, but if I have the two slots on my machine then that's what they are, right? I want to make sure before I buy something to plug in them.

Hey guys, my x201 shat itself after a few years (shutting off randomly) and I think I just want a new damn computer.

x220's seem alright, though really all I want is:
- vintage business aesthetic
- small and light
- good keyboard and screen

>>60847653
X230

>>60847669
idk anon, why would that be better than an x220?

>>60847729
because it's a generation newer, everything about it is an improvement over the X220

>>60847743
The keyboard and aesthetic both seem worse.

I said jack about CPU/GPU power because it hardly matters to me, if that's all then I'm sticking with x220. That or an x240 because at least those have a stock 1080p IPS variant.

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>battery holds 20% capacity
>kind of sad and want to get a new battery
>never mobile, never use the battery anyways

wish I had a need to compute somewhere other than my desk

>>60847771
why not get a desktop?

>>60847761
the aesthetic is the exact same, the keyboard has less flex and some models had backlighting, only the layout of some unimportant keys are changed

it also has USB 3.0

and being newer, they'll be more likely to be in better condition and have better batteries

>>60847813
>the aesthetic is the exact same
You don't get it, man.

>newer model = less used
How about less used = less used.

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K guys, I've got ~200$ to spend, want a t or w but without new keyboard.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-I5-2520M-2-5GHZ-8GB-DDR3-128GB-SSD-Windows-10-HOME-U12569-/362000980529?hash=item5448f09a31%3Ag%3AlbEAAOSwY3BZNyWM&_trkparms=pageci%253Ad0647f6f-4e40-11e7-843c-74dbd180812c%257Cparentrq%253A94a7094d15c0aa42ecca1c46fff79e7a%257Ciid%253A10

Looks super good, but isn't quite in line with the other pricing I see available, is there anything you guys see that would be considered undesirable for an 8GB ram/128 GB ssd?

>>60847888
*meaning it's ~50$ cheaper than average but I can't figure out why

I just bought a refurbished X260 at $600, did I get scammed?

8gb ram, 256gb SSD, FHD

>>60847888
umm dube it's a bid. The price is gonna go up. Though, you might snag it. Less likely now that you've posted that though lol.

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>>60847913
FUUUUUUUUUUCK, will not recover from being illiterate

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>>60847861
I have an X220t and an X230 sitting in front of me, feel free to not heed my warnings it does not affect me at all.

X220's are good machines, however the X230 is much better. I'm 99% sure most people would be happier for longer with an X230 over an X220.

>>60848040
but the 230 has the shitty new-style keyboard

>>60848115
there's nothin shitty about it unless you're a scroll lock, pause, and insert poweruser

print screen and page up/down are more convenient, home/end/delete locations are fine just different

no one used the context menu key

the keys feel the same and overall the keyboard is sturdier and has less flex

only thing that bothers me is the lack of space between F4/F5 and F8/F9, the newer ThinkPads fixed that though so it was obviously recognized as a problem

>>60836559
>40 years

4chan is a place for 18 and younger. Please get out, grow up, get a girlfriend and a mature grown-up laptop

>>60848040
I do like that the keyboard has less flex on those. I guess the x201 and x220 are in kind of an awkward place. I used an x61 for years and nothing since has felt that solid.

Maybe my vintage laptop fantasy is dead and I should go straight for the cheapest 14'' laptop with 1080p IPS and a good keyboard.

how do i connect a gpu to my w520

>>60849701
Through mini pcie or expresscard

>>60841756
that image is hilarious.

>>60848363
Don't be so quick to kill your vintage laptop fantasy. if you're committed to the idea, check out the x62 by 51nb, some chinese modders who put new parts in an x61. They take f o r e v e r to ship, though.

>>60848040
the x230 keyboard is total trash gtfo.

>>60835928
>HP
I have every reason to believe that laptop is garbage

Please tell me, how serviceable is this HP laptop you speak of? What if I want to swap hard-drives? What if I want to re-apply thermal grease to CPU? What if I want to access the internal expansion slots? What if I want to change the keyboard? I have a feeling this, like every HP product Ive ever encountered, is a disposable piece of garbage. Please, I want to believe it may be good, convince me

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>>60849935
Elitebooks take 1 latch to remove the whole bottom cover and then everything is accessible

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>>60849719
T..thanks senpai

>>60845226
no

>>60850058
That's hot

>>60848115
you can swap it over no problem

Budget: $750AUD
Location: Australia
Size: Do not care
Performance: preferably the best on offer
Other requirements: prefer the older full keyboard and upgrade path for 1080P+ size res.

Budget: $700 US
Location: United States
Size: Medium sized, will be used for college, class notes and homework.
Performance: preferably the best on offer
Other requirements: It will be used for: CAD Software, Matlab, Etc, watching animu and general use. Mild gaming if possible.

>>60846908
Do you think nitrocaster posts here?

>>60847771
Move to a different room or place in your house.

I use ut on my garden table while drinking some Yorkshire tea.

Top comfy.

>>60850507
may have to import it, but dell precision m4800 or m6800 are good options

also look into zbooks from HP - w540 is mediocre

>>60849935
Elitebooks are business class laptops, just like latitudes and thinkpads. They are solid.

You know, just like everything from chinknovo is trash except for the thinkpads, and that's debatable on some newer models.

>>60850507
>>60850561
Maxed Dell e6440 or t440p/t540p

>>60836183
The 440s is the slim model; it costs more to cram the same performance into a smaller package

>>60847888
>T420

anon...

>>60851227
What's up?

>>60850806
Won't be able to max a T540p for just $700. XM CPUs and 3K displays are pricy.

>>60849935
it's more servicable than x220/x230. You get full access to internals with just one switch (and screw, if it's secured).
Keep in mind this is not a shitty pavilion you probably know from your experience. It's like comparing consumer lenovo shit to thinkpads.

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>>60851643
>>60849935

upgraded my t470 to 2x4GB DDR4-2400, has definitely improved the iGPU performance and is overall a little bit faster than the 1x4gb 2133

next step is eGPU

>tfw my T420's onboard audio is much, much better than I gave it credit for

>>60851842
>lies: the posst

How do you middle click on a HP?

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>>60852467
How do you middle click in thinkpads?
I think you don't understand the difference betwen "middle clicking" (aka, third mouse button) and scrolling.
You press the middle trackpoint button. In 2570p you dedicate touchpad for two-finger scrolling.

Is there any way to force inbuilt mic in X220, cause I have shitty mic in my earphones and when I use mumble I can't use better one.

>>60852521
windows has this in standard. You just mark a device as default.

>>60852544
linux

>>60852549
Then your question should be "how to force inbuilt mic in linux". Laptop brand has nothing to do with that.
>>>/flt/

pls help, /g/
Purchase request template:
Budget: 1500 Euros Max, preferably much less
Location: Central Europe
Size: 12/14 would be ok, had a x230 for a time now
Performance: must be as high as possible (in terms of CPU)
Other requirements: not larger than an x4XX

worth to go for a 470(p)?

>>60852584
>x4XX
there is no such thing.
t460p with i7-6820HQ
http://thinkwiki.de/T460p

>>60852602
t4XX was what I meant.

>>60852611
or 7820HQ, if you find it cheap enough

>>60852629
>>60852611
sorry, meant t470p with 7820hq

>>60852584
if you want something smaller 2570p with aftermarket quad core i7 is your only choice.
It should be as fast as t470p with 7820hq in terms of cpu, but you're left with low 1366x768 resolution.

>>60852690
>>60852638
is the 7820 that much of an upgrade compared to the 7700? The only big difference I can see is vPro, what does that do?

>>60852735
more cache, so vms will benefit from it
also it's around 6% faster in benchmarks.

>>60852752
>>60852735
>what is vpro
nothing you will ever use. Forget about it.
So depending on your needs it might make a slight difference. Otherwise for general gaymuring there are same

>>60852491
the fuck you on about? Pressing the middle trackpoint button without touching the trackpoint works the same as middle clicking with a mouse without moving it.

>>60852763
not gonna gayme on a laptop tho..
It's just a big investment for me right now, so I want as much power as I can get for the money. my current x230 can't keep up when I'm running servers, tests and have a few tabs in chrome open. yes, linux user here, if it matters in terms of hardware.

>>60852784
maybe on linux. Who cares about linux?
>>60852793
2570p with quad core is basically x230 with high end cpu and more storage space. Have you considered it?

>>60852793
>>60852763
so as far as I understand, vPro has to be implemented by the application to benefit?
Then indeed it's irrelevant for me.
>>60852817
not really, I am willing to spend more if it lasts longer

>>60852840
then t470p is your best choice.
vPro is a chipset functionality for remote control in corporate environments. It's considered insecure and you won't use it for sure.

>>60852854
didn't know that. thanks!

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Which thinkpad is Yoko Taro using?

>>60845223
The T60+T61 Frankenpad
T60 chassis and AFFS (IPS) panel from BOE-Hydis + T61 motherboard, since they have more or less the same format.
Figured you could perhaps install the T70 into a T60 with the 1900x1200 or 4:3 flexview.

>>60853135
T440 or newer

>>60853150
Yes, this is standard

>>60853249
Did you mean T70 comes with an IPS panel?

>>60841539
Looks pretty clean. Would compute/10

>>60849762
see
>>60850456

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What's the best mPCIe WWAN module available in thinkpads and elitebooks?
Currently using E\\\ F5321gw HSPA+. Previous GOBI3000 was only HSDPA and GPS was less accurate. Are there any other modules I should check, possibly LTE for europe?

What would you pay for this e6430?
I7-3720qm
8GB RAM
256GB SSD
Intel + Nvs5200m

I'm beginning to notice my T420 lag out when playing YT with two screens and generally be slow.

My problem is that I like the T420 form factor, price, keyboard, and repairability. I just wish it (mostly iGPU) was faster and less power hungry.

What do? Get a QM CPU or get a new laptop?

>>60853800
QM CPU won't make the iGPU faster. I guess you got the iGPU only model?
Upgrade to t440p. It's dirty cheap today anyway. You deserve it anon~

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Hey guise I got a new ThinkPad™ so I could fit in with you all. But to fit in even more, I think I have to master the TrackPoint™.

How did you guys get better at this? I don't see how it can be as accurate as a mouse.

>>60854623
It's not meant to be more accurate than a mouse.

>>60854623
What did you buy?

>>60843704
I literally just used the system update tool and it just werks

>>60854623
use it exclusively for a week or two and you'll wonder how you ever lived without it

>>60845070
>No handle on a tablet laptop
Into the trash it goes

>>60854673
as a relatively new thinkfag, very much this
I disabled touchpad in bios a week after I got my thinkpad. Trackpoint is so much more comfy, especially if you need to switch between keyboard and mouse input a lot.

>>60854659
>>60854673
Alright maybe not more accurate than a mouse but the trackpad. And I just don't see it given how good their new trackpad is - almost applel level.

>>60854669
X1C. Battery life is the real deal. The trackpoint is placed in a really good location but having to stretch out my thumb to click and missing out on the gestures of the improved trackpad doesn't seem worth it.

>>60854682
>16:9 on a tablet
The trash can is too safe; someone might pull it out and be harmed. Straight into the incinerator.

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>>60851227
What did he mean by this?

>>60854701
The trackpoint is for people whose jobs require them to type a lot and who don't like to move their hands off the keyboard. I personally hate trackpads because mice are much faster and more accurate. If I were to take my hands off the keyboard, I would rather use a mouse. Trackpads are an utter waste of time.

>>60854701
How much did you buy it for? It's cheaper in Japan than most countries. Not sure about US, though.
http://www3.lenovo.com/jp/ja/forms/wm-edm-opinedu/

>>60854872
Brand new for about USD 1300 from the US after the Lenovo corporate perks code and further site price cuts. Pretty good deal.

>>60854887
It's 1265 USD in Japan for the i7 model with 16GB memory.

>>60854959
5th gen? Goddamn that's a good deal. Got no way to get it to me from Japan though. I paid more for the same RAM but an i5. It's a good thing that my price wasn't so bad.

>>60854887
>>60854959
Correction: It's only 1200 USD with the 128GB SSD right now.

>>60854623
its not accurate. it does weird things if you hold it too long and theres no fix for that.

>>60844187
Yes

So I guess I could do a little upgrade on my X220.

Should I use my garbage SSD (still better than the micron c400) on it and buy a new one for my desktop, or switch to an IPS panel?

Are there any stores where you can see, touch and test premium grade laptops? Thinkpad X1 Carbon, Dell XPS 13, etc.

All of the stores here only sell Microsoft Surface and Apple Macbook products when it comes to premium.

>>60854814
T420 is a halfassed machine that doesn't know what the fuck it wants to be.

>Cheapest piece of shit display they could possibly have put in a laptop
>Yes, even the 1600x900 panel belongs in a trash can
>Only just barely weighs less than its bigger brother T520, which comes with a significantly better display and has an option for a 1920x1080 wide gamut panel from the factory
>Is not thinner than T520, only marginally smaller in other dimensions

Drop the T420. The portability argument for buying it is shit. Reasonable models in the 20 series are X220, X220t, T420s, T520, and W520.
T420s is also a huge compromise, but at least it's a compromise that makes sense. You give up some battery life and cooling performance in favor of actual portability; The s model is actually fairly lightweight at about 1.67kg. Meanwhile the regular T420 weighs in at 2.24kg, with the T520 only weighing a large bag of candy more at around 2.5kg.
The s model also suffers from the same shitty ass display panel as the regular T420, but this can be upgraded to an IPS display provided you manage to get your hands on a conversion kit (good luck with that), which for some reason unknown to me supposedly doesn't work all too well on the regular T420. But again at least it makes sense to pick a T420s because it is legitimately easier to carry in a bag than a T520.

>>60835966
Ok anon you got me higly interested. I just discovered this T70. What is that? A custom modern build based on a T6x shell?

>>60835928

>cancer unibody design
>no modularity
>one of the worst keyboards ever
>doesn't even have middle trackpoint button
>b-but 2 extra cores!

Hmm, I wonder why the X230 was so much more popular among businesses than the 2570p was? Would someone care to help me with this bewildering question? I thought the 2570p was better in every way?

>>60855268
it doesn't work well because of noise coming from power section in t420. Display cable is very close to the CPU, and even if you shield it heavily and use the newest 10 layer conversion PCB it will still be too much noise to handle.
Basicaly it is not recommended to replace screen to 1080p one in t430/t420. You got about 15% change it will work.

>>60855302
Oh, I see. Nice to get some reasoning behind it past "it doesn't work for the regular T420," thanks anon.

>>60855299
>cancer unibody design
elaborate how is it cancer.
No, your opinion and preferences are irrelevant. I want to hear about facts.
>no modularity
What are you talking about, retard? check >>60851653
>one of the worst keyboards ever
lie. You got a choice between 2560p one and 2570p. It's far better than stock x230.
>doesn't even have middle trackpoint button
it doesn't, but the touchpad is glass, so it's advised to dedicate it for the purpose of scrolling
>b-but 2 extra cores!
plus second 2,5" bay, 2133MHz RAM support, superior cooling, no whitelisted wifi card (upgradeable to 7260ac with no bios hacks), unlocked overclocking, 100Wh battery option, neat battery charge indicator on the back of each unit, single-switch allowing access to all internals, hardare RAID0/1 support and 2x6Gbps SATA-III 2,5" bays.

>Hmm, I wonder why the X230 was so much more popular among businesses than the 2570p was?
>more popular
it's not more popular. All data showing market share between hp and lelnovo indicates HP sells more business laptops.
>Would someone care to help me with this bewildering question?
see above, retard
>I thought the 2570p was better in every way?
it's not better in every way. If you really thought that it means you're even more retarded.

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>>60847888
Get this instead. $150 out the door.

Dell Latitude E6420 Core i5 2nd gen 2.60ghz 4GB 250GB

HDMI Port
Backlit keyboard
Wi-Fi
Win7 Pro with COA & recovery partition
Genuine Dell power adapter included
Battery holds a charge

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Latitude-E6420-14-Core-i5-2-60GHz-4GB-250GB-HDMI-WIN-7-/162546595401?hash=item25d8883649:g:uYQAAOSwhvFZFdve

>>60855302
>change
chance*
ffs

>>60855377
>>doesn't even have middle trackpoint button
>it doesn't, but the touchpad is glass, so it's advised to dedicate it for the purpose of scrolling

uh how do you middle click though

middle CLICK, not scrolling

>>60855444
The way you configure it. Single-tap with two or three fingers for example.

>>60855377

>so it's advised to dedicate it for the purpose of scrolling

Pajeet detected. This is the kind of sentence I'm used to hearing when I'm on the phone with a pajeet.

You don't know the definition of modularity. During 2010-2013 HP did not sell more business laptops to companies than Lenovo did. The keyboards on both machines you mentioned are fucking identical, what the hell are you talking about? They're both utter fucking shit. My old Samsung netbook has a better keyboard than both those machines. While the 2560p has some undeniable nice qualities, like faster RAM, quad core options and space for a CD drive or extra HDD, its nowhere near enough to redeem it. What the fuck is the point in even having a trackpoint if there's no middle click for scrolling? Why have the trackpoint deliberately gimped to only do most functions and not all? Why have a magnesium almost-unibody which needs replacing in its entirety should you ever damage a small part of it? Internal rollcages are miles better than metal unibodies. The X230 has the magnesium structures where it can to sufficiently prevent mobo flex.

All in all, you're a fucking idiot arguing a lost cause.

>>60854682
See the tab on the left? Enough to hold it.

>>60855381
>Battery holds a charge
What does that even mean? Normally it hold half a charge?

These Dell models feel so weird to me, prefer Thinkpads by a lot.

>>60855520
No, I don't. Elaborate how x230 is modular and 2570p isn't.
No, these are not identical. 2560p keys require more force to press, which is what some people prefer. 2570p is more like macbook-typing.
>it's shit
>buhuu it's shit
>why it's shit?
>it's SHIT. My old samsung is better!
nice logic.
Rest of this autistic, butthurt madness you just posted is not worth answering to.

>>60855566
Just means they're selling you a half decade old laptop with a battery that at least works. May last four hours or one hour but it does work.

>>60855520
>Why have a magnesium almost-unibody which needs replacing in its entirety should you ever damage a small part of it? Internal rollcages are miles better than metal unibodies.
Can someone translate what this nigger retard is talking about?
Just because 2570p has an aluminium palmrest doesn't mean it's unibody. It still has internal rollcage which has NOTHING to do with palmrest.
You fucking retard.

What would be the best way to wash a t420 keyboard? Mine has a lot of dust and whatnot underneath it and could do with looking a little cleaner, should I just remove the keyboard and wash it with water or could that damage it?

>>60855622
yeah don't do that

it's spill-resistant, not water-proof

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>>60855572

So, you're talking about fucking KEYSWITCHES and not the important part, which is the fact that its a shitty flat chiclet style? At least the X230 does that right. Let me explain this in the simplest terms for a retard like you. If you damage the palm rest on an X220/X230, you replace the palm rest, not the whole fucking magnesium upper. Want to have a FPR, the option is there, don't want one? Its gone. Want a totally plain palm rest without even a ThinkPad embalm? Done. That's and example modularity.

>>60855601

Something in my impeccable British English you didn't understand Rakesh? I'm sorry I don't speak Hindi but perhaps you can run my post through Google Translate. I could not have said it any clearer than I just did. Face it, even on eBay there's barely any demand or supply of the 2560p/2570p. It seems only 3 people on /g/ out of the whole internet are enthusiastic about these machines.

>>60855622
compressed air
dont use anything else

>>60855748
You're the worst shitposter in this entire thread so far. Kill yourself.

>>60836472
Anon, get an advanced dock and a low power graphics card! http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Advanced_Dock

Don't have to upgrade your laptop, don't have to spend lots on modern eGPU cases - just get a low power passively cooled GPU (something like a GTX 1030/1040 and you'll be able to play games completely satisfactorily at very little cost and without having to give up your T60!

>>60855748
>chiclet is bad because I said so!
>what? you enjoy chiclet keyboard more than I do? You fucking retard! How dare you?
If you damage METAL palmrest (which is hard btw, unlike plastic x230) you replace palmrest. It costs $5 on ebay and you must be retarded beyond repair if you overcomplicate this.
2570p is more modular than x230. Everything that is replaceable in x230 is also replaceable in 2570p, plus CPU.
Both x230 and 2570p are older than 5 years, so it's not shocking that nobody talks about it. You stupid shitposter.
God damnit what am I even doing in this shill thread at this point. Enjoy your autistic safespace while you can.

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>>60855748
>g-guys, please buy lenovo instead! it's better!

>>60855268
>T420 is a halfassed machine that doesn't know what the fuck it wants to be.

the perfect /g/ machine then

>>60843604
>>60843750
>>60843704
https://download.lenovo.com/eol/index.html

>>60842124
are you supposed to use the touchpad on that hp piece of shit? haha, no thanks

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>>60856122
Why are you so butthurt? Did I open your safespace by mistake?

>>60856140
>mindlessly defending hp trash
lel, nice projecting tho
it's so funny how there is literally one shill for hp that surfaces every thread to defend anything said about the line

Here are the facts:

hp can't make a proper hardware user interface

their elitebook line is barely distinguishable from pavillions in terms of material construction and their warranty is complete trash

HP enterprise lines are notorious for mainboard failure

If you use HP """""""""""""""""enterprise""""""""""""""" hardware you might as well just consider low end consumer gear. It's cheaper and feels/lasts about the same

>>60856261
>mindlessly defending lenovo trash
lel, nice projecting tho
it's so funny how there is literally one shill for lenovo that surfaces every thread to defend anything said about 2570p being superior towards x230.

Here are the facts:

lenovo limits their hardware abilities for marketing purposes:
1) wlan/wwan whitelists
2) mSATA degraded to 3Gbps speeds
3) batteries dying instantly if you attempt replacing cells with fresh ones
4) absolutely trash screens
5) software backdoors (superfish, AMT that is still enabled even if you ""disable"" it in BIOS
6) hardware backdoors (ata password can be generated using motherboard serial number by lenovo and handed over to police on request, even hp doesn't do that lmao)
7) users being silenced on their support forums, they don't give a fuck about user feedback, while HP INSTANTLY REMOVED WHITELIST ON COMMUNITY REQUEST IN CASE OF 2570P, HAHAAHAH
8) lenovo is a gook company, while HP is purely american. If you're a real patriot you support american companies.


their thinkpad line is already same as thinkpad edge and ideapad lines.

Lenovo shitpads are known to overheat and explode in some cases, that's why they were obligated by the court after years of ignoring customer reports to RECALL ALL BATTERIES FROM FAULTY LINES, HAAHAHAHAH

If you use Lelnopevovo """""""""""""""""enterprise""""""""""""""" hardware you might as well just consider killing yourself and your family which apparently is reponsible for abomination of human called (You).

Also jokes aside I've never recommended any other elitebook other than 2570p, so how about you check your facts and fuck off. Dumb nigger.

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I bought used x220 because it was heavilly shilled here.

worst touchpad I ever seen
retarded keyboard layout

holy shit my t61 is completely superior compared to x220 when it comes to these things

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>>60856420
is the keyboard layout not the exact same?

>>60856572
No

>>60842124
>>60841539
>trackpoint
>two mouse buttons
HP """""""""""""""""""engineering"""""""""""""""""""""""" at its finest

>>60856386
this is so desperate it's funny
you're grasping so hard you're assuming I actually support gookovo trash when I did not even mention it once this entire time. Literally delusional fanboy

>>60856593
really they have two different keys

and you sum that up to a whole retarded keyboard layout?

get your autism checked pal

>>60856599
>lenovo
>plastic touchpad piece of shit
>exploding batteries
Lelnovo """""""""""""""""""engineering"""""""""""""""""""""""" at its finest

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Considering 2570p vs x230.
IMO x230 looks beautiful, but 2570p seems to win in performance via hardware upgrades.
If you outfit 2570p with that quad-core(can't do that on x230), 9-cell battery and that 2133MHz RAM(not possible on x230) - how will these affect battery life and heat if you compare it to x230 with a 9-cell battery too?

>>60856630
this is so desperate it's funny
you're grasping so hard you're assuming I actually support hp trash other than 2570p when I did not even mention it once this entire time. Literally delusional fanboy

>>60856708
high 45W quad cores require modding the heatsink.
during internet browsing or some light shit like that you can expect about 20% of battery life degradation in case of i7-3840qm vs i5-3320m.
Both i7-3840qm ad i5-3320m idles at same temperatures and power consumption (around 3W)

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>>60856708
what do you need that much performance for in an ultraportable? plus you're still stuck with the integrated graphics

and RAM speeds don't really affect anything, pretty negligible among all benchmarks and real world scenarios

>>60856769
RAM speed has big impact on iGPU performance.
In my case about 25% FPS increase in all source-based games when upgraded from 1600MT/s ram to 2133.

>>60856769
Not him, but Chrome is way faster if you double amount of cores.

>>60856769
light gaming.
on stock HotS(an unoptimized piece of shit) runs decently well on low-med settings. with more ram and better cpu i can get extra few frames.
hd 4000 is a beast.

My uni's minimum system requirements are 16 GB ram, dual-core i5 gen 6 or higher, and a 256 GB SSD. They want us all to be able to run Windows 10 but I doubt they'll actually care. Which Thinkpad should I get?

>>60856737
so to sum it up:
>less battery time
>same temps
>need to buy a heatsink
what heatsink though?

>>60856984
Of course it's less battery time. Are you surprised?
You don't buy a heatsink. You buy small piece of copper and you solder/glue it with thermal compound to the heatpipe. You can use copper coins if you're poor. This takes like 3 minutes to finish.

>>60856953
>>60856953
X230 is a good choice low-budget choice.
people here seem to imply that X240 is not worth it due to some unknown reasons to me.
not sure about X250, X260, X270 but they are much newer and more expensive.
what are you going to use it for?

>>60856953
Pretty easy requirements. You can get the X1C.

>>60856984
>>60857033
also if you want to use 35W quad cores (i7-3632qm and similar) you don't have to mod heatsink at all.

>>60856953
uni "requirements" are all BS, they just want you to buy whatever new shit they have in their bookstore

>>60838249
>visiting the usa
>2017
xD

Hello /g/, I need an advice. Should i buy:

Lenovo Thinkpad T440

i5-4210U
8 Gb DDR3 RAM
120 GB SSD Samsung
Intel HD 4400 Graphics
14" IPS screen 1600x900
Battery has 22% decay.
Price: 350 €

Or:
processor: Intel® Core i5-6300U
Intel HD Graphics 520 4GB
128 GB SSD
RAM: 8GB DDR3
display: 15,6 1366 x768 ) Anti-Glare
Price: 450 €

Lithuanian. I intend to play some low req games like "Don't starve" and "Minecraft" too from time to time. Honestly, these two seem to be the best options.

>>60840430
x220 works bretty well with os x. you're just going to replace the internal wifi card with some other brand ($8 on ebay, guides tell you which exactly).

everything else works out of the box.

protipp: replace the x220 shitpanel with an IPS one. around $80 on ebay. 10 minutes of work if you've never done it before.

no idea about the hp. seems like aids.

>>60840839
joke's on him. those chairs are only rated up to 110kg.

What's the best nu-thinkpad as in available on the Lenovo website? Are all of them garbage?

>>60857449
They are all garbage, but the most interesting ones are the P and Yoga models.

>>60857449
they're pretty good

>/g/ is NOT your personal tech support team or personal consumer review site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxGL1vIX_dw

>>60857309
The i5-4210U is so bad you shouldn't even be considering it. Some Samsung SSDs are terrible, so more information on that would be needed.

I would take the i5-6300U.

>>60857105
I see, so:
2570p with i7-3632qm, 8GB 2133Mhz > x230 stock but at expense of some battery life(less than if you went with 45W quad core) and same heat stats?

Someone please convince me not to get an X220.

>>60857779
Ok. Get X230 instead.

>>60857763
Yes. Battery life difference between i5 and i7-3632qm is marginal and you can ignore it.

>>60857779
The HP shill has already provided enough reasons.

>>60857779
The 2570p is better

hey /tpg/, where would you say is the best place to buy a new trackpoint nub for my X220? I've checked ali, amazon and ebay but 1) Ali will take too long, 2) Amazon ends up costing too much and 3) Ebay also wants to charge $1.90 for a 3 pack...of three tiny nubs of rubber.

Anyone know a better place?

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>>60858158
>$2
>too much for something you will use every day for the next couple years

>>60855268
Yeah but the t520 won't have libreboot...

>>60857554
Thanks, i was also leaning towards it. Have a great day.

>>60856709
>parroting statements
wew

>>60856386
what about dell laptops?

>>60858361
Dells are okay. They also feature one switch access to internals, plus these got more screen options, mostly IPS ones.
E6440 is the only laptop I could replace my 2570p with.

is true that thinkpad blow up?
hp doesnt do that?

>>60858424
All li-ion batteries can potentially blow up.
The problem with lelnovo is that they ignored this issue which was reported by users multiple times and they had to be forced by the court to recall batteries.

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>>60836405
red pixel just showed up
>take a pencil and tap the dead pixel with it, put pressure on each tap.
it might bring it back, like my LG panel

Sometimes I come to this thread not to give or receive advice, but to see how the 2570p shill and the ones who bother to reply to his obvious baits lunge shit at each other, makes me laugh a lot.

Each to their own, both X230 and 2570p have their own appeals.
Want maximum performance, gayming xD and maybe a house fire? 2570p.
Want a IPS display? X230.
At least that's what I know, I might be wrong, though...

>>60858440
>tfw your battery will not be recalled since it's a T530 battery
Life can be so unfair

>>60859222
longer battery life, reliability, quiet operation, cheaper replacement parts (including 50% cheaper batteries), and more - 2570p.
Fix'd for you :^)

>>60859222
>tfw your battery will not be recalled since it's a T530 battery

i have A FUCKING BATTERY and it sucks

>waaaa

>>60859282
Eh, I'll bite this time.
How can you expect longer battery life when you slap in a 45W quad core in? If you're talking about the base i5-3320M, then that's reasonable.

Now, I'm not going to try so relentlessly to stomp you out for shilling the 2570p, it's only natural that if you liked something you're going to shill it and receive 5¢ for every shilling post, but u still believe some of the things you say are doubtful or ambiguous.
>inb4 implying

>>60859314
Y tho

>>60859344
Of course I'm talking about dual cores. You're right.
I'm spending most of my computer time on /g/ anyway. Why not make it productive and convince people into making better choices?
Keep in mind I always note 2570p is not for everyone.

New thread
>>60859662

>>60859389
>>60859344
now kiss

>>60859682
>-cd/dvd drive(who needs these anymore. they could have saved some lbs here)
are you retarded? This is literally how you mount second 2,5" HDD. So msata isn't needed, unless you want 3 drives in one laptop.
>comes with ton of useless bloatware
and let me guess, you're too retarded to install linux or clean windows if you count this as con?
It's like thinkpads aren't infested with bloatware... lmao
>-small track pad
??? You mean touchpad or trackpoint?

>>60855268
>buying anything from the xx20 series

anon...