Ryzenfu vs 7700k

Threadripper will be a more mature platform

they have virtually the same IPC, the only difference is program optimizations

>>60847288
Isn't it safe to assume that threadripper will run at a lower clockspeed (worse for gaming) and be priced higher (different class of cpu than 7700k)?

>>60847316
Same instructions per clock, but much lower clock.

>>60847329

You might be right, but the increased number of PCI-e lanes is nice tho, and not being restricted to dual channel memory

>>60847285
7700k is a known housefire, do not overclock goyim.

1700 on the other hand costs less than 300, double the fucking cores and threads which means better multitasking

>>60847285
>has Ryzenfu closed the gaymen gap compared to the 7700k?
As long as you're GPU or refresh rate bottlenecked, you won't have any issues.

7700K still takes the crown if you're CPU bottlenecked. By 10-20 FPS depending on the game.

>>60847366
7700k is a dubious shit chip, runs way too hot and stutters like crazy, Ryzen chip on the otherhand is double the fucking cores, future proof and runs ice cold in comparison

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>>60847285
Margin of error differences in averages and less stuttering. Ryzen will only continue to pull away from the 7700k as the platform matures. The 7700k is tapped out while the 1700 has lots of headroom left. Also Ryzen is cheaper (both motherboards and the cpu itself), has a better upgrade path (zen+ and Zen++), and comes with a serviceable stock cooler with some oc headroom.

>>60847401
Is the stuttering real? Is this why 144 fps seems choppy on my rig while 60 feels smooth on my buddy's 2600k rig?

>>60847401
Sounds like i5's.
>>60847433
Could be temp related.

>>60847430
Have they confirmed that zen2 or whatever will use the same socket?

>>60847433
yes it spikes at 90c and throttles itself

>>60847448
Yes, they are sticking with AM4 for Zen 2 and 3.

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>>60847285

>>60847285
It will be pretty close considering people have already been pushing 2933MHz prior to AGESA 1.0.0.6 and getting rather close to 7700K performances. IF bottlenecked games are actually generally running on "multithreaded" games like Ashes and Hitman, but these games generally pool shared memory assets between CCXs. Some guy showed that on 3600MHz RAM on a 1700X will be behind by 15FPS @ 1080p in general (but the 7700k is @ 5GHz). Some game patches would help greatly, as there are still some outliers like Mafia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GhoYs2VDns

The overclock room on Ryzen is said to be much lower but I find it's not entirely true. Clock speeds are pretty mobile on the 1700 between 3-3.85GHz while pushing 1.3V. At 3.7GHz its single threaded performance (in stuff like Cinebench, Himeno, Dolphin, some Linux benchmarks) becomes competitive with even the 7700K at stock clocks. To avoid degradation AMD states you shouldn't push more than 1.35V. The 1700X/1800X are better binned so you should be able to reach slightly higher clocks at lower voltages, but at around 4GHz-4.05GHz Ryzen can't hold the clock stably without 1.4V+ and hence will draw some 120-150W or even more.

Still suggest the 1700 because the Wraith Spire is decent. I have a B350 board so I can't directly attest to higher memory frequencies but it runs great as my workstation driver.

>>60847285
it should be between the 1600 or 1700, dont even consider the 7700k

>>60847285
>has Ryzenfu closed the gaymen gap compared to the 7700k
No.

>>60847458
possible am4+ for pcie 4 which was announced yesterday

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>>60848206
and then you woke up

>>60848083
As far as Siliconlottery tested, the 1700X was barely any better at overclocking than the 1700, and the 1800X is so well binned that there's almost no variance between them and they all overclock to ~4.1GHz.

>>60848225
I have a 1700X.
It's better in multicore, but I play counter strike.

>>60847285
In a completely sterile environment the 7700k (as of right now) will always beat Ryzen chips in games. The thing is, once you start accounting for normal uses, like having a handful of processes running in the background/foreground 2nd monitor like VOIP chats, web browsers, etc, the gap gets really, really narrow. This is where the 7700k will start to stutter and where a r7 1700's double the threads can be leveraged.

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>>60847285
CL17 1T
1.408v just like the 1800X at 4.1

>>60848225
Stop posting this crap, it was benched with a GTX 970. Results are GPU bottlenecked.

>>60847288
>threadripper
>gaming
>>>/v/

>>60847344
>1700 on the other hand costs less than 300
No, it doesn't. It's more like $400. AMD told us they had cut prices of Ryzen but in Europe prices went up.

>>60848335
So what?

The real stupidity is posting gaming results for CPUs in the first place.

Yeah, people do game on a GTX 970 so the results are valid enough if you're going to benchmark CPUs in gaming. But they aren't going to buy a high-end AMD or Intel CPU for gaming and use a GTX 970. But they are also not going to buy a 1080ti and play on shitty 1080p resolution - and again we get whining about the results being bottlenecked by the GPU at 4k.

>>60848083
I thought AMD stated that degradation didn't start until vcore was pushed to around 1.45V for extended periods of time.

>>60848463
This.

>>60847329
clockspeed should be about the same. after all threadripper is just 2 ryzen 7s on the same die

>>60847285
The ONLY reason there would be to get the 7700k would simply be if you're looking to game at 120+ fps. Ryzen will easily do 60-80fpa at 1080p and the gap really narrows once you up the resolution and you become less CPU bound. At 1440p and 2160p the difference between them is negligible.

Then you have to look at the pros and cons of each chip. Ryzen has more cores and threads and tends to give a smoother gameplay experience than a 4c/8t i7. The 7700k like most newer i7's have no fluxless solder under the lid. They're using garbage thermal paste. Reports have shown high temperature spikes and occasionally throttling. Then you have to take into consideration my motherboard prices for properly overclock the i7. Where as any run of the mill B350 am4 motherboard is capable of handling a decent OC on any Ryzen chip.

>>60848459
>but in Europe prices went up.
Money for your "free" healthcare gotta come from somewhere my European friend

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>>60848459
Are you retarded?

>>60847285
>itt, people try to justify why they bought AMD or Intel

>>60848335
>970
best selling gpu of all time

best indicator of what the averages persons performance is

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>>60848568
no hes just a intel shill

>>60847316
>they have virtually the same IPC, the only difference is program optimizations
If you think about that statement for a bit, you'll realize it's an oxymoron.

>>60848626
>best indicator of what the averages persons performance is

Yeah, becuase someone buying a 7700K or Ryzen 7 is going to have a 970...

>>60848626
>best selling GPU of all time
Then you remove 1/8 of the data

>>60847433
yep, intel throttles itself constantly

This retarded attitude on /g/ about "gaming goes on >>>/v/" needs to stop.

It is possible for people to both game and use other intensive applications at different times, you monumental autists

>>60848641
yea it is

>>60848643
are you trying to imply anything sold better than the 970?

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>>60848643
Don't you mean 7/8th?

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>>60848643
NOOOOOOOOOOO

>>60848657
1060's alone have sold more Gb than 970's

>>60848459
>AMD told us they had cut prices of Ryzen but in Europe prices went up.
Just bought a 1700 for 280€

>>60848568
thats literally like 400 bucks in USD

>>60847288
threadripper also starts at $850

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>>60848964
>putting eurocucktax into consideration

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>>60848964
US!=EU you dumb nigger

>>60847285
Gap closed to 2-4% advantage for 7700k in single threading.

And like 50%+ advantage for ryzen in multithreading

Give it another year and ryzen might be the one with the 2-4% singlethread advantage. Multi-thread isn't even a contest.

>>60848211
I seriously doubt it.

Took 10 years for pcie3 to make it into motherboards from announcement.

>>60848996
>starts at 850
Are you thinking of x299?

>>60849039
>pulling numbers out of his ass

>>60848459
>AMD told us they had cut prices of Ryzen but in Europe prices went up.

AMD actually never said that. They announced threadripper etc. and then retailers decided to cut prices of their own volition.

>>60849061
the 16c32 threadripper is probably going to be around $800

>>60847285
7700k is still the best CPU if you don't care about the moar core meme.

>>60849105
also if you don't care about housefires

>>60847316
Per Agner Fog's microarch guide, Zen actually has higher throughput/IPC than Skylake (5 IPC instead of 4 IPC). The high IPC is also why SMT works better than Intel's implementation.

http://www.agner.org/optimize/microarchitecture.pdf

It really is all down to optimization.

>>60847285
Who cares? It can compile the Linux kernel faster, and that's all that should matter to /g/.

>>60848639
Intels compilers are known to disable paths for to software if used on AMD processors, even if the processor supports it.

>>60849131
Buy a 6700k if you're afraid of heat

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>The relidded processor saw a temperature drop of 14C in its measured average temperature across all cores and a 20C drop in it maximum core temperature.

This is completely unacceptable.

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Cases-and-Cooling/Improving-Thermal-Performance-Intel-Kaby-Lake-CPU/System-Specs-and-Perform

I was hoping Intel would unfuck themselves with X299/Kaby Lake X but they've just dug the hole deeper. I was planning on getting the 7740k but it looks like I'm waiting for Ryzen 2 instead.
>16 pci lanes
>TIM, not solder
>100mhz

>>60849291
Thermals aren't so bad with the 7740K though. The fucking 7900X on the other hand puts out fucking absurd amounts of heat at stock settings.

>>60847285
Why are you asking this on the AMD weenie suckin board? Everyone on /g/ sucks AMD's dick, and everyone on the rest of this website sucks intel's cock.

Do your own research and form your own conclusion.

>>60849169
That was really a long time ago, though.

>>60849332
>Thermals aren't so bad with the 7740K though
Citation needed. Isn't it higher TDP and still jizzed on?

>>60849374
The TDP is 112W (vs 7700K 91W)
It'll be interesting to see if it does actually use significantly more power at stock speeds.

That said, Intel's TDP numbers don't mean all that much...

>>60849374
Well I could tell you I have some confidentials that I've been testing but you probably wouldn't believe me.

>>60848659
What card was this about, again? The 960?

>>60849430
:^)

>>60849430
970 due to the last 512MB being massively crippled in bandwidth.

>>60849336

>people on non-tech boards have the objectively wrong opinion

...and?

>>60849441
I bought Ryzen ASAP and even I know that Intel is better for a lot of gamers.

>>60849464
Most gamers are GPU bottlenecked and don't even know it, but buy Intel anyway because MUH MAX FPS IN BENCHMARK I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND

>>60849425
Delidded? I don't see many people buying the i7-7740K just for a slight boost over an i7-7700K.

>>60849475
The i7 branding is fucking strong man...

>>60849475

This so hard

>>60849494
Oh of course not. Especially if you have the ability to delid your 7700k. There's literally no reason to get the 7740k in that case.

My sample 7740k hasn't been delidded and I could easily get 5.1GHz at 1.36V vcore. My temps topped out around 78C while stress testing using a really shitty 240mm AIO.

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>>60849576
>78C
>thinking this is normal under water

>>60849576
what about the ones with more cores?

>>60849626
>referring to an AIO as "water cooling"
It's not great but not that bad either. They don't throttle until you're over 90C.

>>60849576
That's all fine and good but
>having to buy into x299 platform for 16 pcie lanes.
Also, who's to say you just don't have a lucky chip. Too soon to be making conclusions on individual chip results.
>>60849626
This. 240m "watercooler" should NEVER be above ~75*

>>60849649
My 7900x was getting to 89C in fucking cinebench with the same AIOat stock settings. That shit is fucking ridiculous.

I really hope it's just a bad chip or it could also be the early BIOS releases that I've been dealing with. The first BIOS I got couldn't even turbo boost at all with the 10 core proc.

>>60849782
meant for
>>60849640

>>60849576
>really shitty 240mm AIO
Even the shittiest 240mm watercooler shouldn't be giving almost 80c. It's a spaceheater.
>>60849782
How do your results compare with Mr.ProDelid? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpoies2JcmI

>>60849782
>owning a cuck lake cpu
just lmao

>>60847285
>asking an AMD sponsored board what you should buy

kek

>>60849782
you didn't delid right

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>>60849798
His temps are pretty fucking high too before the delid. That chip has to be throttling. This is what I got while running cinebench at stock settings.

I haven't tried OC'ing my chip yet. I was going to put it on a custom loop with a 480mm rad that I have before I try that.

>>60849870
Nope.

>>60849872
Were the thermals this bad on broadwell-e?

>>60847329
To what end?

Worse for gaming, to what end?
What are you trying to achieve, exactly, while gaming? 144FPS? 200FPS? Low settings at 720P?
Ryzen and by association the potentially lower clocked Thread Ripper is worse for gaming only if you're running games at shit settings or pair it with extremely powerful graphics cards that allow you to play at extreme frame rates like 144FPS.
Below 100-120 FPS it makes very little difference whether you get a 3.5GHz Ryzen, a 4GHz Ryzen, or a 5GHz i7 7700k. Because you're never going to be affected by the supposed single core bottleneck and the only bottleneck that could potentially affect you is a multi-core one. Even then, you're better off getting a FreeSync or G-Sync monitor than worrying about trying to keep a stable 120 or 144FPS.

>>60849872
lmao, if this is true Intel is fucked

>>60849908
Not really, not at stock speeds anyway. Yeah when you OC'd them they turned into housefires.

>>60847329
Threadripper 16 core est. to run at 3.5 GHz. XFR to 4.1 GHz. Intel 18 core est. to run at 2.7 GHz. Turbo to 4.5 GHz on two cores (won't work very well when the CPU is loaded)

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>>60848568
3489 SEK = 398.4438 USD.

>>60848626
>best indicator of what the averages persons performance
That's just stupid. The "average" person has some old dual-core CPU too. Do you seriously believe that anyone in their right mind would buy a new motherboard, high-end CPU and RAM and keep their ancient GPU?

>>60848641
Exactly. This shill writes like a fag and his shit's all retarded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIo4MCO-_U

>>60848657
There's that fag-talk we talked about.

>>60848964
Yep. $400 for a Ryzen 7 1700 isn't exactly cheap.

>>60849908
Only overclocked, because Broadwell-E is an oven at high clocks. As long as you have good cooling, it's fine, but with overclocking you can easily look forward to dissipating over 200W of heat.

>>60847401
It only stutters if you don't delid.

>inb4 DELID THIS XD
Delidding is what most enthusiasts did even before the * Lake TIM scandal. Liquid metal is just superior in every way.

>>60849990
Enthusiast never did it with soldered processors, idiot. They only did it on Intel consumer trash that had TIM. And believe me, I remember how butthurt people were about the TIM when Intel first started doing it.

Nobody wanted to delid the damn things.

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>>60849957
what is your point?
why are you comparing prices between 2 different countries?
ryzen cpus are cheap relatively to Intel's lineup.

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>>60849832
>being this mad

>>60850015
>ryzen cpus are cheap relatively to Intel's lineup.
But they aren't.

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>>60850121
Kill yourself, perma-BTFO tripfag.

>>60849957
>>60850015
>ryzen cpus are cheap relatively to Intel's lineup.
First of all, you should charge your phone as it looks like it's about to run out of battery.

Secondly, that screenshot you posted clearly shows that the i7-7700K is about the same price as the Ryzen 7 1700.

None of those are cheap, they are equally expensive. AMD and Intel are milking their duopoly while pretending to compete.

>>60850142
I mean he isn't wrong
My 1700x costed as much as my 6700k and motherboard two years ago, but then again I also get 4 more cores and 8 more threads

Still though, he's right in that statement

>>60850082
A win for AMD is a win for me, it keeps the prices in check on the hardware that actually matters. I get to laugh at all of you counter-culture nerds advertising AMD's budget hardware for free. It's a win/win on all accounts.

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>>60849990
If you stick with the yid, you must delid.

>>60850142
Lmao, first time seeing this. Dumb goy tripfag.

>>60850148
He's not, though. 4 cores and 8 threads extra is quite substantial assuming the prices are the same.
In multi-core workloads, the performance increase is also substantial.

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>live in texas
>ready to replace my 6 year-old i5 2500k
>close to siding with AMD purely to not sweat at my desk

Even if this 7700k = inferno shtick is just a meme, you've swayed me.

>>60850121
This guy is the biggest intel fan boy on chan. He repeatedly gets fucked and keeps on coming back.

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>>60850148
>comparing a quad core to a 8 core

>>60850142
I like how it's so obviously cherry picked. As in, for the AMD thread those were the ONLY 3 non-negative posts you could find.
90% of every thread is shitposting about AMD IS DEAD or INTEL IS DEAD or whatever, so you fucked up.

>>60850330
i5-2500K = 95w
i7-7700K = 91w

You'll be sweating just as hard unless you get a 65w Ryzen CPU.

>>60850170
>>60850364
I'm not comparing the two though his statement was just about price, and they are the same price
Calm down seriously

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>>60850389
because this board gets raided by intel pajeets 24/7 since the ryzen holocaust

>>60848463
They released a few public notices telling people to keep below 1.34 for 24/7 use,we probably won't know how conservative an estimate that is for awhile.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VTKxKZ
waiting for vega
only thing I'm worried about is ram clearance

>>60850603
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VTKxKZ
honestly you should just get a 1700 and overclock

>>60848964
About $355, actually.

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>>60850603

Put it this way. MOST people don't overclock their 7700K's by much and certainly not to 5Ghz without delidding and very good cooling.

At stock Ryzen can match it and even with a mild overclock on the 7700K it can be very close or even faster in some newer game titles. Ryzen has better future proofing basically and you get more for your money in other tasks than gaming. Also TR will be too expensive for most people.

>>60850846
Stock 7700k is better than Ryzen

>overclocking Ryzen
Good lucking getting more than +300mhz without increase the voltage and liquid cooling. Even an overclocked Ryzen can't match the stock 7700k.

I wish Steam survey had an option to list popularity by GPU + CPU combinations. I would be curious to know which combinations are the most popular.

>>60850929

Good thing it comes with a 95w TDP CPU cooler to do that very thing.

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>>60850929
>Stock 7700k is better than Ryzen

>housefires
>deliding
>stuttering
>better then amd
wow i wonder who is behind this

>>60850989
>posts benchmark
>no 7700k anywhere

??

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>>60850929
>Even an overclocked Ryzen can't match the stock 7700k.
*In non-GPU bound situations in games that are becoming increasingly obsolete as well as PS2/Dolphin emulators.

Seriously who gives a fuck. If you're dropping $300+ on a quad-core processor and $100+ on a chipset with zero future in 2017 you are fucking brain damaged.

>>60851014
>believes there's a such thing as futureproof in the cpu market

>>60851000
OC 6700k is better than stock 7700k
same IPC, same architecture

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>>60851000
>implying it would be any better than a overclocked 6700k
wow you really are a shill aren't you?

>>60851028
AM4's going to be around for awhile.

>>60851028
>there is no such thing as future proofing so I'll go with being obsolete in a year with no upgrade path as apposed to having 3-5 years with major upgrade paths

The Ryzen 1800X was aimed squarely at the 6900K a MULTI core processor that was twice as expensive. It was never aimed at beating a single core optimized processor like the 7700K. It was not aimed 'specifically' at high end gamers. It is meant to be a processor that covers a multitude of uses and scenarios. It does pretty good at gaming but it is not made intentionally to win the 'gaymen' trophy.

Only Intel shills tout the 7700K as better than Ryzen based 'solely' on gaming. In other words they have nothing else to use as an argument and are butthurt children.

>>60851033
>Ryzen using higher clocked ram than intel
>fair benchmarks

kek

>>60851028
>being this fucking dense
No, I'm saying that because there is no such thing as being futureproof, the non-retard decision is to buy a motherboard that can serve you for several years and potentially 2 or 3 CPUs, not one that is already obsolete (Z270).

>>60851063
Intel see's little to no gains if you clock the memory to the same speeds so your argument is moot.

>>60851083
Intel changes their sockets annually. IT MUST BE BETTER!

>>60847285
7700K has severe voltage regulation problems and random heat spikes to 100C for no reason.

Ryzen has low clock speeds and a hard frequency wall barely over 4GHZ.

ASUS showed off a "5GHZ" readout on a Threadripper board though.

If Threadripper can OC to 5GHZ it will be a fucking monster.

>>60851063
amd with 2400 is better than intel look at the chart you mong

>>60851116
>$460 cpu vs $300 cpu

>>60851107
My guess is the 5Ghz readout is just the default it shows when no CPU is present. Don't get your hopes up.

>>60851083
>implying there won't be zen 2 motherboards with fixed issues and fancy new things

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>>60851134
amd cpu is at stock of 3.6 ghz, a 300$ 1700 can do 3.6 and get the same performance, sorry pajeet intel is just shit

>>60851083
Intel motherboards are only good for 1-1.5 generations though....

There's a new socket every year and a half.

>>60851191
>1700 can do 3.6
My negro unless you won the silicon lottery that's highly unlikely. 1700 default is 3.0 which it means less power than 7700k

>>60851224
they literaly boost to 3.7 across all cores, can you just fuck on off you autistic shill

>>60851236
>they literaly boost to 3.7 across all cores
>Pajeet doesn't understand how turbo boost works

>>60851236
You amd mongrel, turbo boost only boost one core.

>>60851272
>>60851290
>What is all core turbo

>>60851159
There will be better motherboards, no doubt. But worth spending $150ish on some peripheral features? I doubt it. More importantly you'll be able drop in a fancy Zen 2 (or 3?) CPU into your AM4 1.0 mobo if you want to.

>>60851213
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What is your point?

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>>60851290
>>60851272
>intel cucks thinking that amd uses the same jewish tactics as intel

>>60851350
>implying it's not
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5z60lw/how_does_turbo_boost_work_on_ryzen/

Fanboys can't into their favorite cpu basic information

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>>60851373
>reddit
maybe you should stay there

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>>60851387
>muh strawman argument

>>60847285
Bad time to buy in my opinion if you already have a working system. Once Intel enters the race prices should drop, should see some good deals. Or intel might even offer something competitive.
I find it hard to believe a company that has been on top for so long would just lose there shit. CEO's would be fired.

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>>60851404
>not knowing what a strawman is
lol back to rebbit loser

>>60851417
>CEO's would be fired.
J U S T

>>60851426
>gets proved wrong about turbo boost
>OH REDDIT TOP LEL

Okay pajeet.

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>>60851438
>projection

>>60851236
>>60851350
cant tell if troll or retard

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>>60851462
t. intel cuck

>>60851462
go back to rebbit kiddo

>>60847285
Rysen is RAM dependent to a degree but the performance gap between the Ryzen and a 7700K is only noticeable on 144hz and only then under certain conditions.

You only get these benefits when the 7700K is OC'ed to 4.9-5.1ghz and intel has already confessed that most chips should not be overclocked to that level for long periods. In order to even keep this shit stable you need a good water loop and have to spend extra coin on a Z-series motherboard.

The performance difference under those conditions is usually 7-9fps so you get 141fps on the 7700k instead of 132-134fps

Also this performance goes out the window when games utilize ryzens extra threads properly. you only get this in poorly coded single thread heavy game engines.

Rise of the tomb raider got patched and 6-8core ryzens have completely closed the gap with the 7700k. Also when tested those ryzen chips are usually running 35-40% so they still have headroom for an even stronger graphics card than the 1080ti.


Ryzen is better. Unless you are a hardcore FPS player with the latest 240hz monitor you have no reason to get the 7700k over an 8 core ryzen

and in the midrange its even worse for intel. They have their piece of shit 4c/4t i5 chips at the same price point as the 6c/12 ryzen 5 chips you would have to legitimately pants on head retarded to buy an i5 over that processor.

The 6-core ryzen is the new standard and the 4-core/8thread ryzen is a viable budget alternative for 1080p over the pentium/i3

This is forcing Intel to put 6-core chips in the mainstream lineup next generation. Now I fully expect a 6-core i7 to match and beat out the ryzen chips but that wont happen until either the end of this year or start of 2018

>>60851483
>rebbit spacing

Back to rebbit kiddo

>>60849056
Servers and storage could benefit from faster pci–e bandwidth. Back with PCI E 3 PCA 2 was more than good enough so there is very little reason to really jump to pci e 3.

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>>60851493
>>60851477
>being this butthurt that someone told you to go back to r eddit
lol

>>60848226
Part of being able call yourself in 1800 X is having an XFR of 4.1, so it shouldn't be surprising that they all pretty much hit 4.1.

>>60851507
I know it's you intel shill
You've to go back

Anyone engaging retarded amd vs intel flamewars should be banned like the same rule on /v/

>hurr you're an intel/amd shill

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>>60851521
>being this butthurt and trying to samefag as me
lol

>>60848231
And there is in a single monitor available that will push her refresh rate so high that the difference between a 1700 x and the 7700 would actually make a difference

>>60851521
>>60851534

Both of you stupid fucks should go back to >>>/v/

>>60851493
No one cares except you. This is why you have no friends anon.

>>60850150
>delid
I've read dozens of threads here mentioning "deliding" but I still don' get why anyone in their right mind would do it.

If I buy myself a $300 CPU then there's absolutely no way that I'll go right ahead and take of the lid and mess with it and pray that it still works.

>>60851544
But you're anon

>>60851546
>If I buy myself a $300 CPU then there's absolutely no way that I'll go right ahead and take of the lid and mess with it and pray that it still works.

See

>Before the delidding process, we saw that the Intel Kaby Lake 7700K would hit 96C. But after the process, we saw that the CPU ran at 66C. This is a lot of improvement.

http://segmentnext.com/2016/12/16/intel-kaby-lake-7700k/

>>60851538
you have A S P E R G E R S

>>60848545
There are a few simulator games at the man single core performance, these games are also ones that people typically put thousands of hours into if they get really into it. These very few games are the only ones I could ever recommend a 7700 K to. For everything else Ryzen is more than capable of pushing your monitor to its refreshment, and when the developers aren't absolute shit making games that's the case.

>>60849039
>>60849077
Ryzen according to the papers I've read could pull ahead of the 7700 K by as much as 20% at equal clocks for single core performance. However there are other bottlenecks in the CPU that I don't think will be alleviated by the time the Ryzen 2 comes out, and by that point AMD will be higher single thread performance then Intel, now if AMD clocks hired that's 100% up in the air, it's very well possible Ryzen 2 will do that, but it's also equally possible that the process is just not there when it initially lands.

>>60849464
Better for games is a very relative metric.

I personally have a web browser on in the background I have a bunch of processes that constantly demand a little bit of attention running an unusually talking to friends either through voice chat or through video chat. Each one of those processes on its own would be detrimental to a quad core when you're playing a quad core game, but had them all together and you now have the CPU that's hitting 100% utilization and gameplay feels like shit because of it.

The extra headroom that 6 cores gives you was the main reason that you would buy an Intel 6 core CPU, however justifying an extra $300-$400 for motherboard and CPU included that was difficult for most people, so they settled for the 4 core. AMD said go fuck yourself and tell them put out an 8 core at quad core prices, and AMD CPU has next to no downside to using it over and Intel CPU outside of clock speed. It's really hard to justify the Intel for gaming even if it's better at gaming because you're never going to just be gaming.

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>>60849957
You're a moron. the 1700 is cheaper than the 7700k in Norway on a Swedish site

>>60851417
Intel's not to be able to reenter the game tell around 2020-2021 at earliest.

With AMD giving you a platform that they've said is going to be the platform they make shit for until DDR5 is a viable thing, it's really hard to justify waiting.

At worst I would recommend getting a b350 board and buying a 1600

>>60848545
I play at 120 fps and I am still on an i7-2600k @4.5Ghz
Sure, you won't get the very highest settings, but if you are playing at that framerate, the highest details don't really matter to you anyway as you'll be playing a fast paced game.
In fact, you he even try to lower settings without necessity to see your enemies better.
So really, the 7700k is completely worthless. If you need single threaded, go 6700k.

>>60848459
>>>60847344
>>1700 on the other hand costs less than 300
>No, it doesn't. It's more like $400. AMD told us they had cut prices of Ryzen but in Europe prices went up.

Are you dense? The 1700 dropped to 285€ on mindfactory, but was immediately sold out at that price. They now quote a price of slightly above 300€ again.
It is simply supply and demand.

>>60851596
Actually, that's the same website.. (yes, komplett and webhallen are the same corporation).

Not that it matters, prices in Norway and other countries that covertly torture people who criticize the NATO alliance doesn't matter to me, not even a little.

>>60849910

Additionally, if you don't want to reach the very highest of fps, the Ryzen will give you a much more solid minimum framerate.

>>60850121

No proof. Ok, here goes:

Yes they are.

>>60851702
so youre wrong and therefore bring out something completely unrelated to the technology that we are talking about.

>>60850440

Show me where you can get a 7700k for 285€
Because that is the price that the 1700 is hovering around now, sometimes even going lower.

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>>60851702
So how about the Swedish version then. Why am I even talking to you.

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ITT

>>60849169
Gee whiz if only there were other compilers besides Intel's!

>gcc
>clang
>microsoft's compiler

>>60847285
Ryzen is now better and smoother in gayming so no reason to buy intel except for the poorfag Pentium.

>>60851882
reddit welcomes thee

>>60847430
>Ryzen will only continue to pull away from the 7700k as the platform matures
Stop talking out your ass. The hardware and software don't just magically get better over time; there's a limit to the improvements that little tweaks can gain for this platform.

>The 7700k is tapped out while the 1700 has lots of headroom left
[citation needed]
Stop talking out your ass.

>Also Ryzen is cheaper (both motherboards and the cpu itself)
this is true

>has a better upgrade path (zen+ and Zen++)
So you have a crystal ball to see the future and you spend your time on an anonymous Burmese shadow puppet forum instead of buying stocks?

>and comes with a serviceable stock cooler with some oc headroom
So... they both the same in this regard?

>>60851882
>slightly more expensive
>over $100 difference
>ledditmemes
Shoo

>>60847285
1700

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>>60852054
>over $100 difference

Is that supposed to be a lot? Because $100 is nothing.

>>60852045
>So you have a crystal ball to see the future
He's not wrong.
1151 is a dead socket m8.
AM4 is set to be supported for 4-5 years.

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>>60852043
Takes one to know one.

>Muh cores.

When will this meme end?

>>60852045
>So you have a crystal ball to see the future and you spend your time on an anonymous Burmese shadow puppet forum instead of buying stocks?
Amd already announced that their newer consumer chips woll also use AM4.

>So... they both the same in this regard?
K CPUs dont come with stock coolers anymore
T. different anon

>>60851483
>Rysen is RAM dependent to a degree
Actually both 7700K and Ryzen are RAM dependent, but Ryzen has higher memory latency in general because IF connects the memory controller and the uncore, and since IF is clocked 2:1 to memory controller (supposedly 4:1 for Threadripper) the performance delta is very exaggerated when running slower RAM.

>Also this performance goes out the window when games utilize ryzens extra threads properly.
Threaded game engines actually don't benefit Ryzen because game engines include lots of code which requires shared memory pools over both CCXs which causes you to directly run into the aforementioned problem. That being said, some slight tweaks (as shown by many game patches) show that a lot of the issues come from software, not an inherent deficiency in Ryzen although there certainly are weaknesses in Ryzen.

There's no point in getting an i5 nor an i3 and I would also argue the i7 is losing meaning since most people at that end purchase higher resolution. Intel only wins with the Pentium and laptop industry, which are both huge areas that needs to be developed for AMD.

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>>60849464
>Ryzen
>Either significant better or negligibly (unless it's an old and shittily programmed game) performance
>Games are increasingly utilizing 8 or more threads effectively, developers like Bethesda pledging to optimize for Ryzen
>MUCH higher minimum framerate makes for a much better experience than muh slightly higher average fps at 720p)


Spoiler: even in the worst optimized single-core games most people are GPU bound anyway

I'm leaning towards going for a 1600, or is it worth going for the 1700 for a bit of future proofing?

>>60852474
i3's are cheaper than any Ryzen at the moment.

>>60852474
>developers like Bethesda pledging to optimize for Ryzen
Bethesda have actually entered a long term partnership with AMD.

>>60849872
They don't throttle until ~100°C
Source: my 4670 goes to 95°C in Prime95

>>60853022
>Implying we want to be CORELETS

>>60852076
Then send me $100 or STFU

>>60847329
>worse for gaming
Intel's most desperate meme.
300fps gaming is not a thing, there's no 300 fps monitors.

In real life your every game is supposed to be GPU limited.
If you're hitting 140 fps it means you're supposed to get a 4k screen.

INTEL CONTINUOUSLY BTFO AND ON INTENSIVE SUPERVISION SUICIDE WATCH

>>60853022
>dualcore cpus are cheaper than any quadcore cpu at the moment
no shit

>>60847329
>worse for gaming
>games start taking advantage of more than 6 cores

Intel loses again.

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I needed a pc for stable 144FPS in cs go with gtx1060. I had to go with 7500 instead of ryzen 5.
Painful, but amd cant handle.

>>60853022
being cheaper doesn't mean they're worth it, try again (((anon)))

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>>60853809
>ryzen 5 can't handle what a fucking i5 2500 can

calling bullshit

>>60853849
Youtube ingame FPS tests say otherwise.

>>60849012
says the italian

>>60848459
How so? In my country computer parts have higher prices than lets say Germany but it costs 315€

From all my research the past month i've always seen the 7700k recommended over AMD for 1440p 144hz gaming. Does this still hold true?
In my country the 1700x cost a 30€ more than the 7700k.

I have already ordered the 7700k and a motherboard to make use of a 100€ cashback promotion, but they are being dicks and might not grant it so i could send the stuff back.

I don't intend to upgrade after this for quite a while, so i imagine its best to go with the 1700x, but for the almost purely gaming uses i plan on doing, the 7700k is what i've always seen recommended.

>>60853809
You bought an inferior cpu on a dead socket lol

>>60854195
For the time being, 7700K works better for 144Hz gaming. Who knows how long that will last tho.

crying wojak.png

>>60854327
if you don't mind sporadic mega-lags...

still no mitx boards for ryzen
fuck amd i am not waiting much longer

>>60854426
What are you referring to?
Cpu throttling or what?

>>60853809
except R5 can do 144 in CSGO and any other moba crap, it can't in a very few AAA games but it can do 120

>>60851151
That's the 5ghz Intel Lan

Much better frametimes than the 7700k

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>>60854453
youtube.com/watch?v=ybF7r4rogHc

I am having a dilemma, I have two builds that I can go for that are within my dollarydoo range. Both are identical except: One has a Ryzen 1700 with a 1080ti and the other has a 7700k with a 1070 in it. Considering its mostly gayming which should I go for?

>>60854925
Personally I'd go for the 1700 and 1080Ti because you'd be getting the stronger GPU and have an upgrade path for the CPU.

>>60854925
>Should I get a GPU with 30% less power or should I stop sucking dick and think for myself
Gee, I wonder.

>"Samsung 4 Nanometer" [Samsung anounces 4nm Node]. Toms Hardware. 2017-05-30.
>On June 5 2017, IBM revealed that they had created 5nm silicon chips.
Intel's future doesn't look too bright.

>>60854954
Thank you for the reasoned and valid response.

>>60854980
Yes, the Nazis and the Gooks are killing the Jews.

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>>60854925
>the price difference between a R7 1700 and a i7 7700K is the same as between a GF 1070 and a GF 1080Ti

>>60854980
>had created 5nm silicon chips
That's a very, very different thing from having in volume production.

1700 lottery, you might get one that could be a as 1800

nothing so shit it need cores disabled that is just asking for trouble

>>60855076
b8 doesn't exist on /g/ only idiots do, remember

>>60854980
>IBM
>creating silicon chips
What does this even mean? IBM sold off their fabs to GloFo.

>>60855149
They sold (>sold) their fabs, but kept R&D lab for themselves.

>>60854925

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>>60855158
What's the point in having R&D if they can't turn it into production?

How is the 1700 for emulators? Can it run games on cemu (I guess that's the most demanding emulator right now) as well as the 7700k?

the intel chips that stutter are the 4c/4t ones

housefire doesnt stutter

>>60855179
license tech to other US companies

>>60855179
They can turn it into production, anon. IBM is part of Common Platform alliance between Samsung/GloFo/IBM. GloFo fabs POWER for IBM.

What is the use case for 7700k?
If you play 144Hz@1080p?
Because Ryzen can do 60hz@1080p, 60hz@1440p probably 60hz@4k?
Reviewers do useless tests like 7700k + 1080ti @ 1080p, who even plays at this resolution with this hardware

>>60855373
>who even plays at this resolution with this hardware
eSpurts wannabes.

>>60855373
resolution / framerate does not correlate directly to cpu usage, it only partially does because opengl/dx are shit and are too tightly coupled.

>>60855373
60hz is cansur
even just browsing the fucking desktop looks shit with it
enjoy your stutter

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>>60852045
>Stop talking out your ass. The hardware and software don't just magically get better over time; there's a limit to the improvements that little tweaks can gain for this platform
In software that properly utilises all the cores a stock 1700 uses a 5ghz oc'd delidlake as a cock sock.
>Stop talking out your ass.
ALL of the 7700k's resources are being used in current games. The same can not be said for the 1700. Optimization can see huge performance uplifts on Ryzen (refer to ROTTR). Not to mention games will start using more threads as both Intel and AMD adopt more cores.
>So you have a crystal ball to see the future and you spend your time on an anonymous Burmese shadow puppet forum instead of buying stocks?
AMD themselves said that the AM4 socket will see continued support for the next 2 gens. On the other hand Intel's 1151 is a dead platform.

>So... they both the same in this regard?
The 7700k does not come with a stock cooler and even when Intel does provide a stock cooler there is no OC headroom to speak of.

>>60847285
Isn't r5 1600x better then the r7 1700 for gaming? [spoiler]No seriously someone please explain because i'm going to be buying either one of those soonish[/spoiler]

>>60855486
1700 is better but it's not worth the extra shekels if you're solely using it for gayming.

t. 1700 owner.

tfw blizzard refuses to use multithreading
fucking wow is still mainly using one thread for 80% of the workload

>>60855499
But the 1600x doesn't come with a cooler and the 1700 does so it would even out to the same price, so should i just get the 1700?

>>60855486
Also, the RyzenX series processors were made for three type of people.

>gaymurs who think having an X in the name means it's automatically faste
>normies who can't or couldnt be bothered overclocking
>paranoid people who want to spend about $30 + $$$$ for a custom cooler in the hope they'll be able to squeeze out 5 - 10% extra performance from their OC.

>>60855523
Yeah, I'd recommend either the 1600 or the 1700 as long as you're fine with overclocking.

>>60855518
>wow
Ancient piece of shit engine.

>>60855410
Enjoy your shitty TN monitors.

>>60855400
>resolution / framerate does not correlate directly to cpu usage
Framerate certainly does, as whatever is done on the CPU is done on a per-frame basis.

Resolution doesn't, however.

>>60855546
Yes, its blizzard.

>>60855549
ey m8 im on a 120hz 1680x1050 TN

Sadly Samshit refuses to make non curved 144hz VA monitors, also, VA monitors have -SHIT- text rendering.

>>60855573
>TN
Disgusting

>>60855573
>ey m8 im on a 120hz 1680x1050 TN
I'll take my 60 Hz so-called "stutter" IPS monitor any fucking day.

>>60855586
At least it renders text clearly, unlike VA

>>60855555
>>Checked

>>60855555
>whatever is done on the CPU is done on a per-frame basis.
that's not true though, you can have the bare minimum be in the event loop, and the rest be dealt with in separate threads

>>60855596
id take a 144hz ips over 60hz ips any fucking day

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>>60850121
Kill yourself you perma-BTFO'd tripfaggot

>>60855607
>and the rest be dealt with in separate threads
Even when using separate threads, the work they do is still dispatched on a per-frame basis and hence scales with the framerate.

>>60855410
I overclocked my 60Hz up to 75Hz, night and day.

>>60855641
120hz is the real first sweetspot due to being a multiple of 24, so movies and shit just plays nicely

its the same reason 144hz is good.

Same reason 60hz is bad.

>>60855373
1440p 144hz for me

>>60855638
alright, I'm guessing we are arguing two different things then. My original statement was a bit terse and misleading as well. I'm saying with a properly coded and implemented api that you'll have low enough overhead that the difference between 60fps and 120fps will be negligible on cpu usage, while you are saying that cpu usage scales higher with higher frames and I can't disagree with that because you're right.

People forgot that benchmarks are only valid if done in a realistic setting.

Realistically, people play games with other applications open and running in the background. 8 cores can handle it well, 4 just choke under the pressure and performance is degraded and stutter.

Everyone have been designing and running benchmarks to compare intel against itself since there was no competition in the market for the last few years.

There is that and heavy handed marketing from Intel, every youtubers get handed tons of free equipment from them, how can they refuse ?

>>60855729
>difference between 60fps and 120fps will be negligible
Depends on what you mean by "negligable", but it's going to be something very close to 2×.

If you mean that CPU usage is generally so low that it just doesn't matter, I would at least not say that with such certainty. Sure, most modern games are mostly GPU-bound, but that doesn't mean that CPU performance is so low that it hardly even matters. You wouldn't run a modern game on an FX CPU.

>>60851554
OR I can just buy an AMD chip, for less, and get that better cooling out of the box.

>>60847285
>with the recent bios updates and assuming 3200+ RAM

REEEEEEEEE

I can't get my fucking g-skill to run at 3200 on the pro4 with the new 2.6.

I'm at 3066 16-16-16-36
Sticks are supposed to be sloppy 3200 at 16-18-18-38

Dafuq happened to tech prices? I bought my 4770k for like $320 (Europe) and my gtx 780 for like 350 (admittedly end of shelf life).

Why does a new high end CPU cost 400 usd now? what happened

>>60856136
Brexit + Refugees

>>60856072

>expecting XMP profiles to work on another platform

>>60855486
Yes, especially if you don't oc. They are the same chips with different binning and the 1600x has better binning than the 1700. 1600x binning = 1800x.

The difference when both are overclocked is 3.8ghz 1700 8c vs 4.0ghz 1600x 6c.

>>60856136
I'm pretty sure there was some industrial habbening in Africa or China 1-2 years ago which hiked semiconductor manufacturing prices a bit. Didn't follow it though, so I can't give any details.

>>60856196
I don't live in the UK

>>60856223
No shit.

>>60856223
high end CPUs cost more because of lack of competition, what did you expect? we've been on 4 cores (four fucking cores) for atleast a decade now.

>>60851546
http://www.pcgamer.com/intels-tells-core-i7-7700k-owners-to-stop-overclocking-to-avoid-high-temps/

>>60856136

Where did you get $400 from? The 1700 is $299/£279/€315 and 7700K is $330/£309/€344 if you go by Amazon

>>60856406
He's probably including the ridiculous eurocuck taxes.

>>60847285
7700k is better at high framerate games. I'm talking around 120 and 144 FPS. CPU becomes a bottleneck at these high framerates. 4k at 60 FPS an i5 or Ryzen can handle that no problem

>>60856531
what are you talking about

>>60856136
AMD's been non-com in both gpu's and cpu's for 5 years, so intel and nvidia have taken advantage of the situation to jack up prices

>>60856651
This isn't fucking true at all. Intel's current overclockable i7 has been $330-$340 and its overclockable i5 has been $240 since Sandy fucking Bridge, at least in the first world.

Any variation on this pricing is just a reflection of your country's shitty economy and/or import taxes.

>>60856531

In Europe, the tax is always already part of the price and doesn't need to be added. The ~300€ are with tax already included.

>>60856531
not sure if troll or just /pol/ brainwashed kid

>>60856531

idiot

>>60847430
>Ryzen will only continue to pull away

On what sort of timescale are we talking here?

I'm debating upgrading my PC, it's not urgent so I can wait, but are we talking about software/microcode tweaks or as they re-engineer the processor and Zen2 will be refinement to pull away?

>>60856565
>>60856954
>>60856985
I'm sorry, did I just imagine all of the posts I've seen over the past few years coming from Europeans whining about the VAT they pay on tech items? Why are all of you so defensive?

>>60857037
yes

>>60857047

you were being an obnoxious /pol/ kiddo

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>>60857059

>>60856136

Lack of competition + maximum jewery.

Intel's stuff is way overprice nowadays.

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>>60857087
>reddit spacing
What the fuck? I'm just responding with a guess as to why >>60856406 made some post claiming high end CPUs start at $400 when they clearly don't.

I mean, you even have a bunch of people agreeing and blaming the lack of competition or strange happenings in China (or Africa lmao ok kid) on the "price hikes" so I'm to assume all of these people are paying $400+ for their i7s since myself and >>60856406 are the only ones disagreeing with him.

See: >>60856211 and >>60856651 and >>60857183

The prices have been the fucking same since 2011. kys

>>60856563

Can this meme die already. Ryzen has no issue putting out 144fps if the GPU is capable..

>>60857284
prove it, without it being on gimp settings, of course.

>>60857284
>b-but muh 300fps """competitive""" 480p gayming

>>60857341
>gimp settings
Enjoy your ultra placebo. When you need to take screenshots and zoom in with photoshop to see the difference, it's not worth the FPS drop.

>>60857438
Enjoy your 320p gameplay friendo

>>60856072
nice Hynix kit fagot

>>60857047
Taxes exist everywhere. There are good and bad sides to the VAT system but complaining about it is dumb.

I whined about VAT when i was 13 and looked at the price comparison to the US. And i call you /pol/ or a kid for your eurocuck memery

>>60857537
Pretty sure turning the placebo settings down lets you turn the FPS and resolution up.

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>>60856406
I don't know what kind of Kool-Aid you drank, but last time I checked these processors cost ~400 USD in my country.

>>60857629
Running everything on low is not an option, textures should be on high, AA on x2 or just the lowest to get rid of the worst jaggies, shadows.. usually off, looks shit in most games.. SSAO adds feels so fuck you

What settings are placebo settings

>>60857687
Talking about the difference between Ultra and Very High or whatever few settings tank the FPS that are always on max even though they don't make any visual difference.

>>60857730
there is no fucking difference between ultra and very high no

Id like to run shit on very high however.

except view distance if its there, that shit should be maxed at all times, fucking hate having low view distance on shit

>>60857660

>Cuckmark
That doesn't count

>>60857770
You know we have pretty much the cheapest tech prices in Europe, right?

>>60857806

That's a pretty big lie lol

>>60847285
1151 is dead socket. New mainstream cpus coming in late 2017/2018 will be on new socket, so 7700k will be the top CPU you can use in that platform. AM4 will have ryzen2 in year and half build on some 10nm process (99% not glofo) and probably be able to hit more than 4ghz. I have now good enough i7, but if was on the market for CPU I will get some middle of the road x370 (pls don't get B350) and r7 1700. Clock it with stock cooler on 3.7 all 1700 can hit that speed on 1.25-1.3 and leave it. In 18 months see if you like or not the ryzen refresh and jump.

>>60857660

How many dkk did you pay for your 4770k back in the day?

>>60857626
>Taxes exist everywhere. There are good and bad sides to the VAT system but complaining about it is dumb.
Like I said at >>60857249, I'm just responding to someone that I'm assuming is European complaining about high end CPUs costing 400 USD, which is obviously not the case in the United States.

Your statement that taxes exist everywhere is an oversimplification because obviously Europeans are paying more taxes than Americans on tech merchandise, which is what the scope of this discussion is about. If they weren't, there wouldn't be so many fucking Europeans complaining about this issue every time relative prices come up. Calling me /pol/ or a kid or whatever is just shooting the messenger, all the proof you need that Europeans are paying more than Americans for tech merch is staring you in the face in this thread.

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>>60857806
>>60857660
>>60856136

You worked out $320 by today's exchange rate, didn't you? So from that I take it that you spent around 2125DKK(320USD @ today's exr)

2125DKK @ the exr when the 4770K was released would have been equivalent to $382.5

Just sayin'

>>60858075
I'll be damned.. Yes I paid roughly 2200. Can the Americans hurry up and devalue their currency then?

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>>60856205
>>60856072
>read motherboard specs
>buy supported ram
>update bios
>pic related

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4000MHz memory when

>>60858244

>that resolution
>.png

You cheeky cunt

>>60858244
Now?

>>60858271

On a Ryzen chipset?

>>60851033
what is "Poff"?

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>>60858244
>>60858271
>>60858280

>>60857249
>The prices have been the fucking same since 2011.
In March 2012, I bought my i5 2400 for 1278 SEK. Today, the 7400, which is arguably a lower-end model, costs 1659 SEK. That's 30% more.

>>60857249
>or Africa lmao ok kid
Many of the rare-earth metals that are used in electronics manufacturing are mined primarily in Africa. Tantalum, especially, comes to mind.

>>60858372
One of the sounds you hear when you drop a loli on to a bed.