Theresa May wants to ban encryption in UK

>>60839331
Anything new? Who thought that Corbyn can win? UK fags are dumb, but maybe scottish fags can be not that bad.

>>60839331
>She's intended to ban sites like GitHub and Sourceforge that makes it easier for people to use encryption tools in their code and wants no new or existing tech companies to have their data not accessible by the government

LIES

>>60839331
It's over for the U.K. Too bad that's the model every country will eventually adopt.

>>60839427
>Corbyn

Decent leftist. He BTFO the (((neoliberal))) capitalists in his own party.


But unfortunately he is turning Labour into what you get if you let some ANTIFA SJWs start their own party.

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What really needs to be banned is unconstitutional political ideologies like islam.

That's the root of the problem. Not the technology they abuse.

>>60839331
shell be thrown out by her party in weeks m8, shes got no chance of pulling any of that shit when her party want her head on a pike for fucking up a 30 point lead and nearly losing to literal communists and apologists for mao.

>>60839494
>ban thought
no

im as opposed to islam and its bullshittery as anyone, but thats not the solution.

>>60839513
>but thats not the solution.
It worls fine in China and Bulgaria.

They banned names like mohammed. and the muslims in bulgaria knows how to behave.
The muslims in China are dealt with flamethrowers when they run amok.

It works.

>>60839494
No, the root of the problem is your shitty government trying to control everyone and watch everything.

>>60839513
England could ban immigration from aggressive anti western nations instead, it wouldn't need to ban Islam necessarily or ban thought.

>>60839537
That too. But you can't ignore the political ideology that has been at war with you for 1400 years.

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>>60839491
>(((neoliberal)))
into the helicopter with you

>>60839531
>China
no
this is motherfucking great britain, take your illiberal eastern bollocks and shove it.

there are two solutions to the islamist problem, either a sustained campaign of social engineering and propaganda against the salaphists and their kind to root out illiberal eastern dogma and replace it with western thought, or a final solution.

>>60839513
>fucking up a 30 point lead

In opinion polls.

In the real life you want one motivated voter for every three people that merely prefer your opponent.

Corbyn motivated the shit out of students and commies.

>>60839558
Or just put a ban on muslims from coming into the UK, maybe it'll encourage them to abandon Islam for christianity.

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>>60839558
>a sustained campaign of social engineering and propaganda against the salaphists and their kind to root out illiberal eastern dogma and replace it with western thought
But that's what China is doing.

>a final solution
And that's what China is doing as well.

>Chinese forces 'used flamethrowers' in Xinjiang operation
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34903826
You can't win, Anon. The Chinese are too efficient.

>>60839541
im not against that, but we may benefit from bringing in the dissenters from those nations to help sow the seeds of a more liberal reformation of islam, instead of the kind the salaphists want.

>>60839563
im a fucking student, and your bourgeoise commies are good for literally nothing besides winging about how racist the working class are. the real working class have no patience for your bullshit, hence why traditionally red northern england districts voted strongly for leave.

>>60839574
m8, theyre literally permitted to lie about that shit, its gonna backfire. its not a war against people were fighting, its a war against an ideology. we need the kind of tactics we use to deal with cults if anything.

>>60839603
>>a sustained campaign of social engineering and propaganda against the salaphists and their kind to root out illiberal eastern dogma and replace it with western thought
>But that's what China is doing.
good for them, theyre also oppressing their own citizens

>>a final solution
>And that's what China is doing as well.
and there is the problem, if we did that here we would have another generation of limp wristed pseudoliberals advocating the end to nation states after being horrified at what amounts to a soviet style ideological purge. we will not beat our enemies by becoming them.

Any thoughts? Yeah, she's fucking retarded. It's always the old fucks who know nothing about the internet who get to govern it.

>>60839331
>Thoughts on this, UK anons?
As long as I can still get a half-decent burger and a pint at 'spoons for dirt cheap I honestly don't even care anymore.
I'm this --> <--- close to pulling the plug altogether. The internet is fucking garbage now anyway.

>>60839638
>theyre also oppressing their own citizens
At least the oppressive state is making the country grow their middle class and building the wealth of the nation.

In the west we're oppressed by by an ideology that wants to behead us simply because we are non-muslim.

How can thread about her antifreedom intentions turn into emigration talk?
Scotland will have referendum on independence again.
She's partnered with some n. Ireland christians, anti-abortion and stuff.

Abour net freedom, yes, we should focus on cloudflare and other shit too, but she declared war on freedom as we know it for few decades. She's threat and not small, it can be example for other countries, risks are great and I don't wanna use Tor all the time just to get some news. Looks like something SSSR did for forty years. Isolating satellites and russia from thoughts and everything.

This is just sad. It was proven left and right that the way these mud slimes radicalize is rarely from internet alone. It doesn't stop the problem and it causes many more. I'm the kind of person that uses a lot of proprietary shit daily and I cannot stand this decision. I don't want this.

>>60839331
>It's another old politician doesn't understand technology episode

>>60839697
It's the immigrants that abuse the technology of the west to blow themselves up.

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>>60839660
>At least the oppressive state is making the country grow their middle class and building the wealth of the nation.
That is debatable. There is much evidence that it's all just a big bubble. Time will tell, I guess, but the five-pointed stars on their flag should tell you what their ideology is rooted in.

brit/g/

Please tell me /pol/ isn't going to defend this.

>>60839732
Oh, you know they are.

>>60839732
They already are.

If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about. If you're not a kiddy-fiddler like Podesta, a muslim terrorist like Bin Laden or a traitor that sells state secrets like Snowden, you literally don't ever need privacy. Privacy is just a convenience excuse used by criminals and enemies of the state.

>>60839716
Everything have its "bad" side.
Also, you would sacrifice your freedom when the same anti-freedom warmongering started it?

>>60839754
Spotted the tory shill.

>>60839754
>If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about.

I've got nothing to hide, but if a police officer installs a camera in my bathroom I'm gonna ask why.

>>60839754
Nice pasta kid

>>60839660
>At least the oppressive state is making the country grow their middle class and building the wealth of the nation.
and? wealth is meaningless without liberty

>In the west we're oppressed by by an ideology that wants to behead us simply because we are non-muslim.
and if we truly wanted we could crush them at any time, but in spite of the best efforts of the short sighted, self serving elite, its starting to dawn on people that action actually has to be taken on this topic, even ordinary muslims who shy away from dealing with their own communities problems are waking up to the fact that they do in fact have to clean their own house.

>>60839697
first, emmigration is leaving a country, not entering. that would be immigrating.

second, the SNP just lost a fuckton of seats to all 3 of the other major parties, i seriously doubt therell be another fucking poll on leaving.

third, doesnt matter, the conservatives still have parliament.

>>60839732
nobody save for theresa herself is defending this, her own party want her out of office and perhaps out of the party. theres even talk of reform in the conservative party to make sure this doesnt happen again.

Enjoy the police state britcucks, this is what you asked for when you imported Muslims.

>>60839754
fuck off

>>60839786
blame blaire and his ilk, if the general populace had their way he would be tried for treason.

>>60839786
We will.

>>60839796
fuck, meant blair not blaire

>>60839780
>implying emigration and immigratim aren't the same fucking thing in this case
Are you retarded?

>>60839331
She'd better ban pajeets in England.

>>60839843
He's right about the difference

>>60839843
>leaving and joing arent the same thing with regards to a given country
i think you misunderstand

>>60839786
This is when you don't import thought and wisdom into ordinary brains.

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>>60839331
Hahaha
Poor UK fags
Ebin xDDDDDDDDDDD:DDDDDDD

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>>60839780
>wealth is meaningless without liberty
What has this liberty given you?

You gave your young people liberty:
-They destroyed your universities.
-Evergreen students wants to ban white students
-Yale students are offended by halloween and think universitie should be "safe homes" and not intellectual spaces.
-Your youngsters think they can make careers out of being rape victims and walk around with madrases.
-Missouri university is bankrupt.
-Berkely is burning up in flames and won't let people with different opinions talk

What good is this liberty for?

>>60839331 Its inevitable. Sooner or later governments will find a way to control the internet. Enjoy your last 10 or 20 years of freedom anon.

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>>60839861
She is.

Get fucked brit cunts
Nobody cares about your muslim terrorist filled shithole
You guys cant even brush your teeth properly how are you gonna fix this
Lol fucking shitheads

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>>60839873

>>60839881
>implying it's because liberty and not because they are simply doing what goverment wants them to do

>>60839881
All those are extremely recent, liberty has worked for a long time before those problems began.

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The DUP will save us.They're against the censorship/police state stuff.

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>thread is about the UK government spying on its citizen and banning stuffs willy nilly like they've done for decades
>i know! let's talk about mudslime immigrants instead!

>>60839914
How many seats do they have? 6?

>>60839922
Mudslime immigrants are the very reason why this ban is happening

>>60839754
A true British superhero.

>>60839922
It's because May is using the recent terror attacks to explain why this lack of privacy is a good idea.

>>60839936
And pakijeets.

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>>60839780
>and? wealth is meaningless without liberty
There are several forms of liberty, many of which are mutually exclusive. One might make a case that the privilege of living in a sane, civilized society is more important than so-called "political liberty". Not saying that living in modern China is sane (I wouldn't even know), but moar democracy doesn't equate to better.

>>60839936
Fucking fuck fucker, how can you be this dumb? It's just what they used to legally get under the skin of cattle.

how can she alone want to do all this bad shit g

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>>60839912
>implying that is not a direct consequence of said liberty

>>60839953
Think Anon is correct.

I bet you there are a ton of people from China who are looking at the west right now, and think we are insane.
they thin we are masochists who love to be blown up by muslims.

>>60839970
Yet all this is very recently, liberty cannot be blamed for this.

>>60839988
One doesn't need more than a very cursory glance at the history of the US to see that said "liberty" has only declined since the revolution.

>>60839881
liberty is dangerous, garbage in, garbage out. in spite of this there is no other way worth living, we are very keen on our just and liberal governance here.

also, what makes you think liberty is a thing you can give? liberty is inherant to man in a state of nature, lawful government is derived from these natural rights. there is no such thing as legitimate government that bestows rights, rights are bestowed onto government by the consensus of its people.

the bollocks you speak of is a product of the past illiberal acts of western nations, a reaction to what was rightly viewed as injust. this fed directly into postmodernism, which gave them the reasoning they have used to attack the very concept of liberalism itself, all in the pursuit of so called "social justice". your views are responsible for the creation of idiots like those.

>>60839970
>goverment manipulation is direct consequnce of said liberty
Goverment/corporate manipulation is result of liberty that's being defined by liberals, who mistake free market with freedom et cetera.

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>>60840001
Forgot pic.

she may or she may not want...

>>60839922
>theres this problem we have with a government action
>why are people discussing the reasoning behind it?

>>60840001
I was waiting for someone to say it. Thank you, based anon!

>>60840002
The examples you've been giving isn't liberty, but a sick corruption of liberty by those who think they're freeing themselves. Social justice is not liberty at all.

>>60840003
>liberty that's being defined by liberals
Agreed, but political liberty is what allows this confusion to come into existence in the first place. In the power vacuum left without a well-defined ruler, it is easy for the wicked to wedge themselves in.

>>60839953
fuck your order, krautcuck. the only sane, civilised society there can be is a nation derived from that reasoning given in lockes description of a commonwealth. a top down order of government only inspires dissent and rebellion, true order comes from a nation built on individualist values.

>>60840025
i do not disagree, social justice is indeed illiberal. that said, see above.

Theresa May has no majority, no mandate and importantly no self awareness. Hopefully she'll get the boot from the Tories, Cameron resigned for way less.

She is a control freak maniac.

>>60839732
They're already trying to change the narrative ITT. It's not Britain's fault that the country is basically 1984, it's the Muslim immigrants who "force" them to enact anti-privacy laws!

>>60840062
Absolutely agreed.

>>60840029
That's why minarchism of some sort is great, great thing, but only in theory, because people. Everything is bad just because of uneducated masses.

>>60840066
Why can't it be both things?

Do you actually believe there is only 1 problem in Britain right now?

>>60839331
>She's intended to ban sites like GitHub and Sourceforge
No, the assumption is that she'd have to do that to 'ban encryption'. At no point has she said anything about those sites. At most she'll make end-to-end encryption in commercial applications like WhatsApp illegal. Which will immediately get taken to court and thrown out because it goes against the convention on human rights.

>>60839936
It's just an excuse to seize power. I seriously doubt britain would be 100% free overnight if Muslim immigration was banned. Islam is obviously anti-freedom, but that doesn't excuse anti-freedom politicians like May either. She can rot in Hell with the terrorists.

>>60840092
Is it a "human right" to have encrypted electronic communication?

>>60839331
will the brits stop pretending they have any world relevance once no tech companies listen to them

You cant live with liberty in a multicultural country.

>>60840092
She's also trying to rip up certain human right laws. But there's bound to be at least one person in politics who has a brain.

>>60840103
Yes, but she wants out of the European Court of Human Rights.

Does this mean 4chan will be banned in the UK?

>>60840055
>a nation built on individualist values
Confirmed for oxymoron. It should be obvious from the very choice of words why this is intrinsically unworkable.

>>60840128
Probably not, just that 4chan would have to keep information about it's users for the government.

World this is what happens when you keep sucking a dry queens cunt
Her pussy gets old she does wierd things like these
Fucking shithole
Brush your teeth shitheads

Fun fact - You can tweet Teresa May right now at @theresa_may on Twitter ;)

>>60840147
theresa may isn't the queen you fucking retard

>>60840147
And the queen doesn't really have much power at all. Just for show.

>>60839603
Hey /sg/

>>60840155
Well dint she go suck queens cunt to implement these fucktard rules
Faggotfucker defending a shithole

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>>60839754
> got nuttin to hide
> posting as Anonymous
really executes the cpu instructions

>>60840165
Just because a few cunts corrupted the idea of human rights doesn't mean they're a bad thing.

>>60840103
There is no "human right" on military grade encryption

>>60840165
Go back to /pol/.

She would love to turn this country into Iran or China when it comes to internet censorship.

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>>60840176
>sg
I don't know what sg means. I'm from Vitagen.

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>>60840001
>>60840017
>since the revolution
"Coincidentally" also every since America was no longer a monarchy.

>>60840191
There are no human rights. Duterte knows this and is cleaning up his country.

>>60840196
From the way he's typing, it's obvious he's from reddit. He probably frequents that incel board.

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>>60839331
Eurocucks, don't you feel enriched?

UK is a jihadist shithole now and has to choose between muslims and freedom.

>>60840208
It's the syria general on /pol/, they're having to deal with children from the trump general bother them all the time.

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>>60840216
Abandon ship!

>>60839331


Not from UK, but this old hag should hang herself.

Maybe she could give us her private chats, put video cameras and livestream her room of herself and her children and release all documents by governent.

She also wants to ban " hate websites " which means 4chan , because they " antagonize poor muslims ".

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>>60840190
>doesn't mean they're a bad thing.
Please think about it carefully.
That convention has NEVER benefited you.

It was always about controlling your country from above.
They wrap the convention in a pretty name, and make you believe it's benevolent. But it isn't.

>>60840235
Oh, and she wants to restrict access to pornographic websites. Seriously, I'm not kidding.

>>60840243
I don't see how condemning barbaric behavior like beheading those who say mean things about Islam or being forced into a work camp for criticizing your government a bad thing.

>>60840190
>Just because a few cunts corrupted the idea of human rights doesn't mean they're a bad thing
More like it always completely arbitrary, and chosen by whatever liberals are on top at the moment.

Are there any rights that Britons WOULDN'T give up to stop terrorism? Like, is there a line anywhere? At what point do we just admit Britain has never been pro-freedom in any aspect?

>>60840248
>Seriously, I'm not kidding.
Wow, thanks Mr. Not-From-UK. This certainly is news to us here in the UK!

>>60840234
Can't Flim Flam The Bem-Gam comfirmed flat earther.

>>60840134
the nation state is a creature of convenience, not a moral one. i do not require the world to be perfectly moral as that is unrealistic, only that a nation behave morally with regards to its own citizens, so as not to sow the kind of dissent your ideology does, with its constant collectivist battles.

>>60840283
I'm not the "Not-From-UK" guy. Just some British guy.

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>>60840274
Are you saying you need to sign a convention to be able to say mean things about islam?

That's wrong. You always had the freedom to critisize islam. You didn't need a "human rights" convention for that.
By the way, that convention doesn't do shit to allow you to say such a thing. That's a basic constitution in your country that allows you free speech.
So stop giving the credit to that shit.

"Human rights" have never been a benefit to you. Because I know you're struggling to come up with examples to prove me wrong.

>>60840311
Oh. My apologies. I thought he was just (You)ing himself.

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>>60840323
Yeah, it's fine. Here;s the Sun newspaper's front page, to lighten the mood.

>>60840322
Middle east countries have no free speech and see it just to publicly flog you for blasphemy and north korea loves keep it's citizens in line through fear. These countries are why human rights activism is still a thing.

>>60840354
>ran through a cornfield
heh

I saw that exact image but with Corbyn instead the other day. I'm pretty sure it was in The Sun, too.

>>60840153
And what will she do?
Send nudes she aint gonna do anything fag
British cunt have been mainipulated by muslims

>>60840305
>only that a nation behave morally with regards to its own citizens
This is a disgustingly liberal idea that the nation and "its citizens" exist apart from each other. People make up a nation, they don't exist side-by-side.

>the nation state is a creature of convenience
The nation state is a community.

>>60840372
Because their countries are shit.

You're basically saying the West European country would start glogging you in public if not for that convention holding them back.
That's not how it works.

Don't you have something to avoid this by constitution in england? Let's just ban door locks at this point

>>60839754
>Anonymous
who are you kidding, m8

Good thing Britain is exiting the EU, we don't want you Brits fucking our law.

>>60840393
>This is a disgustingly liberal idea that the nation and "its citizens" exist apart from each other.
where did i say this? im saying that a nation needs to behave morally with regards to itself.

>The nation state is a community.
indeed, and we form communities for convenience.

>>60840419
>we form communities for convenience
Only partly, as in "economic communities". We also form communities by the mere act of living together. You didn't form the community that is your family out of convenience.

>im saying that a nation needs to behave morally with regards to itself.
Nations cannot behave at all, only actual persons behave.

>>60840147
>queen
>American education

>>60840354
What's wrong with fox hunting?

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Britcucks make me tear up in laughter. We've had to deal with far left, far right and mafia terrorism for decades and never once we've had to renounce our liberties. We've also never had an islamist attack on our territory, because we're actually capable to identify, neuter and eventually expel dangerous elements, and we can do this easily without having to resort to retarded shit like banning encryption.

>>60840469
>We've also never had an islamist attack on our territory,
What is San Bernadino for 500, aleck.

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>>60840166
And therein lies the problem.

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>>60840467
I have no idea.

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>>60840469
>never once we've had to renounce our liberties
Sure hope you're not an American writing this.

>>60840480
>>60840503

Where in my post did I ever mention anything that could even remotely suggest I'm American?

>>60839331
She never once said that, though, did she? The Independent makes shit up.

>>60840515
Fuck you.

>>60840515
You didn't imply any particular nationality at all, but Americans are the most common nationality on here.

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>>60840469
>We've had to deal with far left, far right and mafia terrorism for decades and never once we've had to renounce our liberties
Ok, I'll bite, what country is it?

>>60840515
>capable to identify
>without having to resort to retarded shit
Sounds like you are from country that's direct opposite of murica.

>>60840190
"Human rights" for me, but not foreign criminals.

>>60840469
>We've also never had an islamist attack on our territory

So much for "Never forget 9/11"

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>>60840536
>far left terror
>far right terror
>fucking mafia terror
>no islamist terror attack ever
Try to connect the fucking dots you low IQ nigger

>>60840558
>I'm human and other human is not human

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>>60840575
The other human -- the immigrant who has committed a crime, or illegal immigrant -- doesn't deserve the privilege of being above the law in my country. Kick him out as it should be.

>>60840600
>above law
>not consider him human
You made me laugh /pol/tard, now fuck off and stop bumping.

>>60840455
>You didn't form the community that is your family out of convenience.
but i do, growing up is absolutely more convenient with a family, if i were inclined to reject them i might find surviving as a baby quite hard.

>>60840469
blame may and her ilk, nobody else wants this shit

>>60840485
does the keiser make you feel pretty when he fucks you?

>>60840573
México?

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>>60840627
What are you blabbing on about?

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It's funny, isn't it?

>>60840153
I sent her a tweet asking when she will resign and called her a liar. I am probably on a watch list now (I probably already was though) kekkity

Once again, the lesser evil is a fucking lunatic.

Goddamn.

>>60840235
The recent bill pushing for keeping a history of every website you visit excludes MP's.

One rule for them etc...

>>60840674
That doesn't mean they are inhuman. Is there even defined what all can be considered as human being?

> Vote brexit
> Suddenly EU laws can't protect you against this kind of shit
You fucking bongs brought this upon yourselves. Enjoy your 1984 with mudslimes

>>60840573
I cannot pretend to know the political situation in every country on the planet.

>>60840657
Eh, flag is close.

>>60840725
Wait, are you serious?

>>60840354
>privistise
What?

>>60840640
>if i were inclined to reject them i might find surviving as a baby quite hard.
Even so, you didn't do it as a reflected choice, and arguably neither did your parents. Cf. unconditional love.

>>60840769
Italy you motherfucker, I knew it. Benito, christcommies, mafia.

>>60840775
Let us enjoy this typo together.

>>60840575
>>60840627
They are both humans.

But the invader should not have rights. The invader should be exiled if he commits serious violence in your community.
That's how things work in nature.
that's how things work in sane European countries like Poland and Hungary.

>>60840778
not all decisions are concious ones, an instinctual decision is still a decision

>>60840830
Nevertheless, there is a sense of community in (most) families that would be far more difficult to find in purely convenient associations.

>>60840772
Yep! http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/investigatory-powers-bill-a7447781.html

>>60839331
how long until they figure out they can't ban encryption?

you can't ban mathematics.

these are people who are supposedly 'fit to lead' our country...

>>60840818
>that's how things work in nature
But we are not uuga-booga anymore, anon. World doesn’t work "naturally". Also, definitions you are using are shit. " invader" What does it even mean? If you mean foreign invader, then your goverment democratically elected decides. Laws define and decide. You just get fruits of what your parents signed for.

>>60839331
She's a puritan who doesn't understand the internet. Back when she was the home secretary, pushing for a ban on "extreme" pornography and for ISP level filters, I just assumed it was a cynical move appeal traditionalists for more votes. Having seen her in government for almost a year it's now pretty clear that she believes she is doing the morally correct thing by increasing internet censorship and reducing personal freedoms.
>>60839697
>Scotland will have referendum on independence again
Highly unlikely after the SNP just lost a lot of support in the recent election.

>>60840869
>World doesn’t work "naturally".
Yes it does.

I meant to say you are inferior to animals you you don't know how to protect yourselves and defend yourselves against hostile invaders.

>>60840864
This
How the fuck can anyone ban encryption when it's literally applied mathematics? What's shocking is that these politicians understand so little about the things they are expected to handle.

>>60839728
>the five-pointed stars on their flag should tell you what their ideology is rooted in.
Damn, you really uncoverfed that secret hidden in plain sight! And it's not just your paranoid delusions!

>>60839331
With just two words she has just triggered ALL the wizards...
This is gonna be fucking hilarious.

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>>60840857
Well this is fucking great, isn't it...

>>60840854
you think evolution hasnt geared us to the most convenient systems for raising children?

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>>60840890
Just stop already.

>>60840974
>no arguments
>trump poster
Do you also open for your bumhole and ask for rape after someone beats you up?

>hurrrrrr lets ban encryption
>ooopsie that means literally every service/business in the uk is now vulnerable
>duuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>60839331
She never said this.

>>60840864
>You can't ban mathematics

What was the Spanish Inquisition?
What were the dark ages?

>>60840992
>implying argument would do anything other than prolonging this shit coming out of your mouth

>>60841025
What exactly did Inquisition ban? Dark ages, yeah, but by 11th century everything got better again.

>>60841025
Good point, Anon. How is state different from church?

>>60841045
To sum it up quite neatly it was all forms of occult knowledge, heretical symbols and geometrical constructs deemed hostile by the Pope. A moment of silence for the fallen wizards of the past....
T-T

>>60841087
Concretely. What forms or works of science did Inquisiton ban because they deemed it heretical.

>>60839331
sounds like exactly the sort of thing that would happen in a country that has CCTV cameras pointed at George Orwell's home.

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It's been fun, but I must leave now. Farewell!

>>60841133
Everything that could lead to scientifical truth, basically everything that could weaken church position.

>>60839331
UK has problem with immigrants, now they will have problem with emigration of native intellectuals.

>>60841087
Anything that vaguely resembled Kabbalah which coincidently looked alot like geometry which led to the death of many mathematicians that held affinity for geometry...

>>60841224
>death of many mathematicians that held affinity for geometry
I honestly don't remember Kabbalah being harshly persecuted, and it was mostly eastern movement, no? Also? Which mathematicians were executed for it? I'm honestly curious.

>>60840897
Do point out any nation ever that has used the five-pointed star and which you can strictly deny that it doesn't have masonic origins.

>>60840931
So what? Isn't it precisely through these kinds of mechanisms that evolution tells us how to act?

>>60841293
>You don't remember Kaballah being harshly persecuter

>You don't remember because they were wiped off the continent

The smart ones joined the other side or went into hiding.

Was not Catholocism in principal an eastern movement itself?

Their names are somewhere in the secret library.

>>60841357
:^)

>>60839331
The UK does nearly a trillion euros in credit clearing a day. There are also thousands of online retailers, and we're also talking about having to ban certificates and public/private key systems, etc.

Aternatively, she may try to force companies to hand over all keys, certificates, as well as making software developers implement backdoors and that kind of shit. Actually, what's going to be fucking hilarious is when Google and Apple tell them to go fuck themselves when they ask for backdoors for iOS and Android.

>>60841335
Daily reminder: evolution is hoax. Read Nietzsche on this.

someone will implement this, no matter who wins
uk is full of cucks

>>60841395
Why would they? They already are implemented, and if not by them, they just can ask hardware companies, they do that for decade.

>>60841401
Regardless of whether evolution is a hoax and how humans were created, whatever created us talks to us via our emotions and conscience.That being said, of course, human nature is often self-contradictory

>>60841438
Oops, pressed Ctrl+Enter by mistake. Meant to write:
Regardless of whether evolution is a hoax and how humans were created, whatever created us talks to us via our emotions and conscience. That being said, of course, human nature is often self-contradictory which is why we need reason to mediate.

>>60839331
she'd literally ruin what's left of the financial institutions that are operating there. she has absolutely no chance of doing so, without losing every bank/payment service

>>60841441
>That being said, of course, human nature is often self-contradictory which is why we need reason to mediate.
Coincidentally, this is why "muh feelings" wimmin and numales are wrong. They believe that they can live in some world where they have inner peace and all their emotions are in harmony and they won't have to use reason to suppress any of them. It becomes particularly ridiculous when they believe that they can also live in harmony with other people that way.

>>60841335
yes, and evolution seeks the most convenient means for creatures to prosper

>>60841401
no, fuck you and fuck nietzsche for writing like a cunt

>>60841515
>yes, and evolution seeks the most convenient means for creatures to prosper
Nevertheless, there's a difference between a community formed merely at the rational level of convenience, and one that we don't have to think of as "convenient" for it to be formed. The latter comes natural to us.

>>60841224
Now that's fucked up

>>60841546
no, there is no meaningful difference in this regard, motivation is motivation, regardless of the method

>>60841515
He's right tho. Stonger individuals extinct, dumb ants profit.

>>60839936
It really isn't. It's happening because UK is a police state in the making. Those immigrants are an excuse. Hell, they were probably imported for that very reason to begin with. To give an excuse for the government to expand control.

>>60841425
If there were backdoors hidden in iOS the FBI wouldn't have had to make a weeks-long public affair of pressuring them into breaking into the phone. This is not to mention the fact that under this kind of ban everyone would instantly know that such a backdoor exists for any "secure" software that is allowed to operate in the UK, and we all know backdoors are never secure.

>>60841607
how does this refute my position? whether a nation is formed instinctually or rationally does not alter the reasoning for it. humans form groups on concious and unconcious levels for convenience, because surviving on your own is hard.

>>60841606
>there is no meaningful difference in this regard
I just pointed out the difference.

>>60841620
>implying iOS isn't applels security hole

>>60840467

It's basically just a blood sport where a bunch of poshos set a pack of hounds on a fox.

Imagine dogfighting, but about 20 dogs to one fox. Imagine someone trying to legalise dogfighting, wouldn't happen.

>>60841653
>there's already one backdoor, so why not add three more?

>>60841649
and? whether we arrive to a conclusion rationally or instinctually does not affect the motivation

>>60841668
I know, I'm not amerifag.
It's tradition. Horses, squad of beagles pursuing fox and then someone shoot the fox. From twenty foxes you have a coat.

>>60841677
They will more likely want access, not new three.

>>60841683
>whether we arrive to a conclusion rationally or instinctually does not affect the motivation
But that is precisely what it does. We don't consciously treat family or other natural communities as "convenient". We treat them as a source of happiness, and you never get that from merely rational associations.

>>60839614
As a working class Northerner, go fuck yourself.

Students don't know shit about the real world.

>>60841775
>I'm poor therefore right

I dunno, man

>>60841758
m8, you are not some magical god made entity with a design based on the moral compass of an omnicient being, you are a creature born of millions of years of mutation.

>>60841775
my dad works 10 hour shifts to pay bills and my mother was a school dropout who spent most of her life on the dole, meanwhile in spite of living on 7k a year im the one loaning family money. not saying i qualify as such myself, but i think ive heard the opinions of enough (coupled with the 70% leave vote in my city), to safely say commies and globalists are not held in high esteem by the average working man here.

the only reason im a student is because government loans have enabled me to go to university, which is a bloody good thing for me because things for the average tradesman and unskilled worker here havent been so good since we signed up to the whole european economic area.

Hate speech is not net neutral, we need more govt regulation.

>>60841828
Never said poor.

Sounds like you are stereotyping... arent students aagainst that with their safe spaces and no platforms?

>>60841907
>all students are the same
nope, i came to university to learn a trade, one i thought would pay a decent wage. turns out i might well have been better just becoming a welder or something else, software development is a cunt to get a job in.

>>60841868
>m8, you are not some magical god made entity with a design based on the moral compass of an omnicient being
Did I ever state that, though?

>>60840235
>her children

Rude.

She's barren.

>>60841939
you would need to be for your instincts to not have a motivation other than the survival of your species

>>60841971
Instincts don't "have" motivations. They are motivations.

>>60839494
>Wife should obey husband
this is my new religion.

>>60841986
they can be described as having motivations, because they act towards a general goal. a thing need not be concious to have motivations.

>>60839531
So you name your kid a different version of those banned names and now you know that state is waging indirect war agains you? It won't work, it will be the same as killing all the crows in some parts of China and then being plagued by insects. It will just radicalise muslim population of china.
>At least the oppressive state is making the country grow their middle class and building the wealth of the nation.
Top kek, yeah growing middle class out of dirt peasants who never had meat in their life, not a hard job eh? Wealth of nation? You ever talked with Chinese in your life? Same company builds a school and a private building, earthquake happens, private building is fine and school is levelled with the ground. Why /pol/ is so retarded?

So, how long before all UK anons disappear from 4chan due to this law?

>>60842012
>because they act
They don't act. Evolution also does not act. People act, perhaps or perhaps not based on their instincts. To the extent that they do act on their instincts, their instincts caused them to act, being motivations.

>>60842073
yes, people act, based on instincts that are biologically programmed via evolution, which can be described as having motivations.

Theresa and the queens pussy can enjoy porn but not thier citizens
Great what a shithole!

>>60842107
>which can be described as having motivations
But that's precisely what it cannot. You can certainly talk of factors that drive evolution in one way or another, but those are only "motivations" in an extremely naive sense of the word. Motivations are reasons for actions, and only teleological beings act.

>>60842119
nonsense, drives have goals, without goals there can be no drive

>>60839331

Less whites = Less rights

I guess Britain should have listened to Eric Clapton about keeping England white.

>>60842143
Bad wording, perhaps. Substitute "affect".

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>She's intended to ban sites like GitHub and Sourceforge
Glad to see the UK has retarded conservatives too

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>tfw you were born just in time to become cyber smuggler in the caliphate of Londonistan

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If /pol/ supports internet censorship then why doesn't hiro just censor them from 4chan?

>>60842191
>supports internet censorship
>it doesn't matter what is being censored, as long as there is censorship
Among other things never said by anyone.

>>60842178
;-;


I never asked for these words to be born....

>>60842161
it is still a kind of motivation, theres a reason why in AI we describe agents as having goals and not merely plans

this is what multiculturalism does to your country

>>60839427
it's Labour who set the wheels in motion for creating a nanny state though. And it's labour fags that don't allow us to blame muslims for this shit

>>60839754
Then please post the following

>Your full name
>Your address
>How much money you make (((implying)))
>Your families names and addresses

No? Don't want to post it dumb fuck?

Fuck of back to shilling

Cunt

>>60840469
>What is the TSA

Americunts LUL

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Why is the UK sooooooo embarrassing?

Brit cunts give shelter to extremeists
They bomb the cuntry
Queens pussy defends the cuntry
Governmet licks the queens dry cunt and follows her order defending the shithole

>>60842644
>You will not post or request personal information ("dox") or calls to invasion ("raids"). Inciting or participating in cross-board (intra-4chan) raids is also not permitted.

>>60842808
The Queen is a little old lady that wears hats and has pet corgis, she dindu nothing pls no bully.

>>60842808
Anon, your language

>>60840627
>You made me laugh
Full of self doubt huh?
Seriously "you make me laugh" comments are like a fucking air-raid siren screaming "I'm insecure!"

>>60840399
>british
>constitution
There are no written constitution in uk lol

>>60840775
>*privatize
FIFY :^)

>>60840234

That picture is just great.
Economic realities, sadly, are exactly the other way around.
Almost all European countries need an influx of workers just to KEEP their standard of living for the foreseeable future.
The UK really shot itself in the foot with the vote for Brexit - the hard Brexit will tank their economy for at least two years and leave them with additional hindrances to recovery as they will lose access to the biggest economic market in the world.

Your fucking moronic "muh white race" and "muh Jews" don't mean ANYTHING in the real world.

Also, keep that shit on your concentration camp - er, containment board

>>60839494
Ha, you're such an idiot. According to history religions die and new ones pop up; Islam is the big bad now but what about any future ideologies? Europe needs to stop bringing in so many non white immigrants in thats the final and only real solution

>>60843321
>Almost all European countries need an influx of workers just to KEEP their standard of living for the foreseeable future.
>implying kebabs work

The UK already gets most of its workers from Poland, and they're not prone to monster truck rampages like the Muzzies are.

Baba Venga was right, 1st world countries will fall to islam. 3rd world countries will rise.

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>>60843374
>According to history religions die and new ones pop up
New ones can't pop up if the ruling religion isn't benevolent enough to let them grow. And this one isn't benevolent in any shape or form.

This religion isn't even a religion. It's an ideology that is far more more advanced brain virus than any others.
It programs its offspring into the brain virus, and if the offspring is "defective" (leaves islam), the brain virus commands the host to kill the offspring.
When a host of the brain virus tries to infect another country, the host is allowed to take multiple wives. If the host takes 4 wives, there will be 3 less wives for other men in the country that's subject to invasion of the virus, and thus there will be 0 children for those men, who can't pass on their religion to their children, whereas this islamic brain virus could gain up to 40 children to infect.

It's a severely effective brain virus that has evolved to conquer other nations and suppress other thoughts and other religions very effectively.

You are not getting rid of this growing cancer any time soon.

>>60843402

You are completely uninformed as to the topic you are talking about. I cannot speak for every country, and in no way am I denying that there are some inherent problems with immigration.
But especially here in Germany, many immigrants work full time. All these people add to the country's economic output. I think you have fallen victim to the alt-right indoctrination that every immigrant is a lazy fuck.

And I just know that I will be called out for defending migrants because I am German. But sadly, ad hominems are not arguments and do nothing to discredit a reasonable (and empirically supported) line of thought - something that you can only do when you think for yourself (that should be considered a hint, btw, in case it flies over your head)

>>60843518
Muslims barely make a footprint in Japan, you know why? Because the Japanese government knows Islam is not compatible with Japanese culture and society. You want to destroy a dangerous ideology try focusing on the thing that is provoking and bringing it home first

Fuck, I can't stand her. I hope she/her team with the DUP won't last very long

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>>60843552
>But especially here in Germany, many immigrants work full time.
In Sweden the story is quite different. Less than 1% have jobs.

Perhaps you should consider the possibility your government is lying to you.
Just like the government lied to you for 5 days straight in new years Eve 2016. Nobody in the world know the muslims were mass gangbanging Germen women in Köln, the government lied to you and suppressed the truth for 5 days, and it was only on the 5th January people found out the horrible truth.

>>60843570
100 000 Japanese have converted to islam. The cancer will grow out of control, you can't control it.

>>60840165
>China has has the right idea, they were right not to submit to some globalist jews who can control their country.

What are you doing skiping work???
Your 20h shift isn't over yet.

>>60842674
He's literally from Italy you stupid cunt

>>60843666
Well, the countries like Denmark who have signed the convention is incapable of exiling Criminals who have spent all their life committing crimes.
The population doesn't like the criminal.
The politicians don't like the criminal. They claim they want him out, but they claim they can't exile him, due to human rights.

Meanwhile China hasn't even signed into that convention, because it knows it's a scam.

I could argue China has more freedom in this regard.

>>60843552
You want to know what German citizens want when the economy goes down the drain? A cheap job. They wont find one when an immigrant will do the job for even cheaper right? The Japanese regret bringing in thousands of Brazilian workers when the economy fell because the natives then relied on low wage jobs which most were already taken by the foreign Brazilian workers. Bringing in foreign cheap workers is never a good idea
>>60843630
Yes and those Muslims make 0.0008% of the population. There's a few million Christians in Japan after the Portuguese brought it to Japan 400 years ago and it barely increased since then the same will apply to Muslims, it will be suppressed because its not compatible

>>60843630
>In Sweden the story is quite different. Less than 1% have jobs.

Admittedly, our education system (or rather the part that is taking on the migrants) is probably the best in the world (vocational school) - people learn German in 6 - 12 months flat and some are here less than 3 months and have their first internships that then turn into jobs (that honestly most Germans may not want to do).

>>60843630
>Perhaps you should consider the possibility your government is lying to you.
>Just like the government lied to you for 5 days straight in new years Eve 2016. Nobody in the world know the muslims were mass gangbanging Germen women in Köln, the government lied to you and suppressed the truth for 5 days, and it was only on the 5th January people found out the horrible truth.

The big government boogeyman fallacy? Really? We have free press here, you know. And all major news outlets - even the public tv channels - had reports on that terrible crime (that I am NOT trying to talk down - those fuckers in my mind deserve to be kicked out or shot immediately). So I don't know where you get your information, but have you considered that your source may be lying?

>>60843709
>Source: My Ass

>>60843864
You may use google translate on this:
http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/sigoejnerboss-kommer-i-hoejesteret/5854270
http://www.bt.dk/krimi/levakovic-i-hoejesteret-derfor-kan-sigoejnerbossen-maaske-slippe-for-udvisning

Why would I lie?

>>60843744
>ou want to know what German citizens want when the economy goes down the drain? A cheap job. They wont find one when an immigrant will do the job for even cheaper right? The Japanese regret bringing in thousands of Brazilian workers when the economy fell because the natives then relied on low wage jobs which most were already taken by the foreign Brazilian workers. Bringing in foreign cheap workers is never a good idea

We have not wanted to do those jobs for at least 30 years.
And we have imported cheap labour since the 1960s, and yes, we have faced some negative consequences (and dealt with them).
We are also the country that was the least hit by the last few economic downturns. Jobs lost from the 2008 banking crisis were recuperated after two years - the US took until roughly 2014.

I know we are on /g/, so I would recommend most of you to occasionally put down the programming book and read an economic book or the newspaper once in a while.

>>60843744
The impact of immigration on native jobs is minimal.
See: Pia M. Orrenius and Madeline Zavodny, “Does Immigration Affect Wages? A Look at Occupational-Level Evidence,” Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas Research Department, Working Paper 0302, August 2003.

>>60843817
>We have free press here, you know. And all major news outlets - even the public tv channels - had reports on that terrible crime
Please do your research, look up articles of this crime.

I guarantee you, you will not be able to find any article about it from the 1st of January to the 4th of January.
The crime was effectively censored from existence during that time.

So much for your "free press".

>>60843900
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekstra_Bladet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_%28tabloid%29

>He believes in tabloids

>>60843968
http://nyheder.tv2.dk/krimi/2015-10-05-udvist-sigoejner-boss-vil-have-omstoedt-udvisning
You're making this too easy for me.

>>60843984
http://nyheder.tv2.dk/krimi/2015-08-06-sigoejner-bossen-levakovic-udvist-af-danmark

hmmm so he WAS expelled from dennmark.

Good point you did there mate.

>>60844135
Nope, the highest court repealed the case and let him stay on the ground of "human rights".
http://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2016-08-29-husker-du-sigoejnerbossen-her-er-han-i-dag-0

Do you now understand the argument? "Human rights" is designed to scam European nations and put restrictions on their sovereignty.

>>60844178
There is no mention of : menneskerettigheder (Human Rights) in the article.

>>60839331
UK is a mistake.

>>60844373
This portion explains it
>En af hovedårsagerne til, at den 46-årige sigojnerboss klarede frisag, var hans store tilknytning til Danmark, herunder hensynet til hans to mindreårige born, som ganske vist er anbragt på et opholdshjem, men som han har forældreretten over og ser mindst én gang om ugen
It wass his children's rights that weighted the highest in the courts.

So the rest of the country is fucked, and have to tolerate his existence, because there is a dictate from above.

You dumpfkins are retarded

>>60844466
Not an argument.

>>60839494
Okay to be fair the "Death for adultery" is actually a rule that makes things better.

>>60844482
I don't think he was making one. He was stating an observation.

>>60844433
So he got off the hook by a technicality which happens in any system of laws.
Not because "human rights"

>>60844604
That technicality was "human rights".

You're not gaining anything by denying the argument.
You're not convincing me.
You're not getting sympathy from 3rd party who reads your post. Quite the opposite.
All you're doing is showing how bad and far out of touch your side is.

>>60840690
wow anon how can we be as cool as you haha. XD
Also kill yourself and get out.

>>60843903
Doesnt that mean the German economy is somewhat dependant on immigrants? You think thats viable for a long term? If Germany will keep bringing in non white immigrants in every year for as long as the state is alive you can pretty much kiss the last remaining culture you have left not to mention your identity itself. I'd think it would be more feasible to campaign for the unemployed native citizens to take low wage jobs and that would mean a more stable future

>>60840469
>We've had to deal with far left, far right and mafia terrorism for decades and never once we've had to renounce our liberties.

and the UK hasn't had to deal with the IRA for almost equally as long?

as far as eroding liberties go it has nothing to do with terrorism and never has done, it's a scapegoat to push oppressive police state control methods and people eat it up because they want to ensure a hard brexit and have been brainwashed by tory propaganda that May isn't a 'murderous marxist terrorist sympathiser'

call it what it is, blatant oppression, because calling it anything else does a huge disservice to everyone no matter what side of the fence you're on

>because we're actually capable to identify, neuter and eventually expel dangerous elements, and we can do this easily

you have to be fucking shitting me if you think the UK isn't capable of preventing terrorism or that it's an easy job, your chief of civil protection certainly doesn't think that's the case - http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/politica/rischio-attentati-c-e-anche-litalia-avr-suo-prezzo-pagare-1348803.html

>and we can do this easily without having to resort to retarded shit like banning encryption.

this is why it's so dangerous to brush this under the rug as an anti-terrorism measure, terrorists (islamic or otherwise) have been committing terrorist attacks for decades without encryption and will EASILY continue to do so after the UK implements its draconian surveillance laws

if the snowden et al leaks have taught us anything it's that governments the world over are completely disregarding laws to spy on citizens and when they get caught they make laws exemplifying themselves, anything that makes this easier, like banning encryption, which is something even US senators are trying to push, is going to be a priority for these governments

if you're not in a country like switzerland which has constitutionally protected privacy I wouldn't trust your government one bit

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>>60841620
And another retard that did not go through the NSA leaks. Please inform yourself before you write something on the web.

If you want to be in denial or disbelief that's fine, but there are hacks available for ALL except the latest version of IOS (so including the 5c).

They just wanted to set a precedent so they did not have do these roundabout ways and get a foot between the encryption that is continuing in companies.

Think about it, everything is digital now. But now more and more stuff is getting encrypted. Which makes the jobs of FBI, NSA, GHQ, ... more difficult and time consuming.

What is more, if encryption is implemented correctly these agencies can't read anything anymore since those algorithms can NOT be cracked when done properly.