Uh oh... someone is scared....

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>>60835913
Jews can't keep getting away with this.

Qualcomm has more than enough money to fight Intel. If they see no patent infringement they won't stop to ask Intel for permission

>>60835913
shut them down

>>60835913
>jew on jew

>>60835946
OY VEY DELET

>>60835913
INB4 both sue each other till bankruptcy and AMD takes over all the CPU markets.

>>60835913
Am I dumb, I don't understand the implication.

Intel doesn't want anyone to emulate x86, because if other processors are released and people move to them, they will run software that hasn't been ported to ARM yet?

What? Explain where I'm an idiot.

>>60835913
>say the fags who tried to get away with stealing x86_64

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>>60835913
Literally nothing to do

Fuck Intel then, buy AMD if you do not want a mac.

>>60836135
AMD is a failing company.

>>60836141
Honestly I fell bad for Lisa
Gotta have mad stress constantly

If they trip up one more time, it's over mang. She deserves endless Valiums

>>60836141
Then Intel is a failing company as well.

They sold their mobile ARM division before the iPhone came out, tried to minimize damage by making cheap and subventioned mobile x86 CPUs which failed miserably on the real world market. Because of being frightened about failing any further, they threaten to sue anyone that overtakes them.

Hence, your argument is invalid.

I bet you're one of those people that learned x86 assembly only to find out that it's useless to know xD

Reminder all x86 patents up to and including everything that's in Pentium Pro and Pentium II (aka i686) are now expired. This is enough to run Windows XP and every 32-bit x86 Linux distro.

>>60835913
I'm not even sure why Intel gives a shit. x86 Windows programs are going to run like ass on this Atom^H^H^H^H cellphone class CPU anyway. Not like they have anything to worry about. Guess they just don't want to set the precedent. Or maybe they're thinking about what Qualcomm might be able to come up with in ten years or so which is about how long it will take for Snapdragon to be IPC competitive with Core.

What about x86-64? Didn't AMD just take Intel's 32-bit instruction set and extend it to 64-bit? Why wasn't/isn't that a problem?

>>60835976
It sounds like exactly the sort of retarded thing Intel would do right now.

I'm starting to think I really should invest in amd

>>60836206
AMD have an x86 license, like VIA.

you Goyim have gone FUCKING too far, FUCKING STOP RIGHT NOW YOU NAZI ASSHOLES.

>>60835913
>legal action against those emulating x86
>emulating x86
RIP QEMU

>>60836206
The Intel-AMD patent exchange deal that the US courts have forced them to agree on. Because of it, they require each other to exist because neither can make CPUs without the other one's patents.
Intel owns most of the original x86 (32-bit) patents, AMD owns the original amd64 (64-bit) patents. Each has their own work on top of that. Intel can't make any amd64 CPUs without the AMD patents. AMD can't make any x86 CPUs without the Intel patents, since the amd64 architecture is an extension of the x86 architecture. They're both locked into cooperation. No government or court will ever let them merge either.

>>60836141
>>60836184
I don't know what you people are talking about.
Nobody is buying anything except Intel or AMD.
>Thanks for playing victim card shill in this website.

>>60835946
this, qualcomm isn't just a random small chinese corporation
and how the fuck can someone take legal action against emulating something?

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>>60835913
The feeling of seeing Intel and Qualcomm both engaged in a financially detrimental legal battle with each other would be orgasmic. Pic related.

>>60836317
This. Any court battle would be most advantageous to AMD, since Intel's financials would take a massive hit, as would their pr dept.

>>60836350
>this is what AMD pajeets honestly believe

>>60836260
So if I was sufficiently wealthy, I could buy the patents from one of the companies and refuse to grant licenses for the patents, effectively killing the x86 architecture? I'm a tard and don't know anything about patent law

>>60836350
I'm sort of feeling it from the other side of the spectrum. Sure, AMD doing better would be good for the consumer and all, but I fucking had the near monopoly Qualcomm has pretty much every mid-range and above phones especially in the United States. All anyone ever talks about is Snapdragon this, Snapdragon that, Snapdragon fuck that. Samsung's Exynos have been beating them recently, and Motorola recently released a phone using a Mediatek Helio P10, and Mediatek in the US is normally just the shittiest of the shit phones like the Moto E 2nd Gen or worse.

>>60835979
Intel probably has some patent to emulate opcode on arm based chip, so they think it will be enough to keep more competition away from their market

>>60836444
I actually don't mind Snapdragon everything for one simple reason. Getting a custom ROM for a SD SOC is usually very easy. Good luck with anything else especially Hisilicon.

>>60836489
Yeah but that's sort of because the dominance of Qualcomms SoCs. It's like how people don't vote for third parties because they have no chance of winning because no one votes for third parties because they have no chance of winning because no one votes for third parties because they have no chance of winning... and so on and so on.

>>60836431
They wouldn't sell, but even if they would, you'd also become part of the settlement. The deal includes irrevocable worldwide perpetual licences, if you bought the patents the licences would stay.

>>60836525
Hopefully somebody comes out with something incredible soon to shake up the entire tech industry. ARM has the potential for this.

>>60835979
they don't want people emulating x86 because it leaves a hole to free yourself from being spied on by big brother NSA.

>>60836578
>ARM
>incredible
no
x86 beats it in everything. Even performance per watt. If anything, RISC-V has the potential to really shake things up, but it will be another decade before high-power chips exist.

>>60835976
>intel going bankrupt before amd
What a shitshow that would be

>>60836431
no they cant....intel licensed amd the x86 architecture in a way that amd cant license it out to other manufacturers. go look it up if u dont believe me

>>60835913
If x86 was relased 40 years ago how are the patents still valid?
Didn't patents only lasted 25 years?
Even the mask should be in public domain by now.

>>60836795
Well, that's just perfect nonsense. Of course AMD can't license patents they don't actually have.

>>60835913
I'd actually be happy if intel fucks MS big time
MS are bigger cancer compared to intel.

>>60836815
Basically, there isn't a whole lot you can do with x86 sans modern extensions. Very few people care about making their products compatible with CPUs that haven't been manufactured for decades.

>>60836824
yea sry didnt get my facts straight....still things will heat up, if OP is right

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>>60836828

look up transmeta - they did it first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta

>>60835913
Didn't amd bring x86 into usage?

>>60836871
No, just the 64-bit extension. Originally AMD just made clones of intel CPUs.

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>don't mind me, I'm just emulating your popular instruction set

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>>60836376
Or it's what people know to be true when they have the basic knowledge of Microsoft's history which is mostly made out of burying competition and potential competition in lawsuits, using the law to their own advantage, burying everyone in documents and finance.

Intel is chickenshit when compared to Microsoft in terms of using lawyers and being judicial douches.

They wouldn't survive against Microsoft in court.

Russian-made Elbrus CPU also supports x86 architecture in addition to their own proprietary one, they haven't been sued yet, at least I think they haven't.

While I agree x86 is a near dead platform, those that are saying this is good for non spying systems need to realise arm is just as bad as modern x86.

>>60836898
40 keks

>>60836936
x86 is very much the opposite of dead.
It's kind of amazing that two hardware companies with association with Microsoft managed to practically lock the entire planet out in their idea of what personal computing looks like.

I'm still looking forward to risc-v

>>60836919
after all, gates did made up for his screw up for netscape scandal with charity work

>>60836987
its dead until the patents run out and even then theres not a whole lot left to do

>>60836933
Taking a Russian company producing hardware for Russian military to a Russian court is probably a bad idea unless you can make a GREAT case.

>>60836933
>Russian-made Elbrus CPU also supports x86 architecture in addition to their own proprietary one, they haven't been sued yet, at least I think they haven't.
Cuz nobody cares what Ivan does in his own little shithole. Put that shit on the shelf anywhere in the western world and see what happens.

>>60835913
>white people (intel) invent a great archiecture and patent it accordingly
>asians (qualcomm) tries to steal it
>somehow /g/ cheers for the former

baka.

why does /g/ support stealing?

>>60837074
>filthy kikes
>white

>>60837074
Well, for starters, Intel is a company that should've been sued to oblivion years ago, with most of their management ending in prison.

>>60837074
asians are white idiot

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>>60837074
>snowniggers live in huts and eat grass
>Meds invent civilization
>snowniggers come down in droves and steal civilization
>snowniggers start burning libraries and banning knowledge while Meds scurry to archive it while Semites in the Middle-East are trying to help them with the grand archival
>remaining Meds and Semites continue to advance civilization (Dark Age up to Renaissance and beyond) while snowniggers take all the credit and benefits

>snowniggers in charge of stealing

Name a single great thinker or renowned inventor/scientist who was a snownigger. I'll wait, for eternity.

>>60837074
stealing technology is great because it makes things cheaper

>>60837028
Yes now he gives medicin to hungry people :)

>>60837118
German and scandinavian scientists.

>>60837074
Try finding a single Intel patent without a significant amount of Chinese or Japanese names involved in the construction and development credits.
I'll wait. Dumb fuck.

>>60837118
Alfred
Fucking
Nobel

you god damn retard

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>>60837130
You mean Jewish scientists.

>>60837134
Dark haired dark eyed master race.
You lose again Snownigger. Check your eyesight.

>>60837118
med civilizations are just a bunch of fags that owe everything they had to the hittites before them.

>>60837145
>You mean Jewish scientists
Very few jews in scandinavia, kike.

>>60837118
>meds

only successful because they were smart enough to get themself rulled by nordic ubermenschen.

http://www.theapricity.com/earlson/history/emperors.htm

https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/x86-approaching-40-still-going-strong/

the actual blog post is pretty funny, it's ostensibly celebrating their company's achievements but literally half the post is just retarded legal sabre rattling. note how they talk about 'enforcing' their rights rather than actually fucking winning any of those lawsuits.

>>60835913
>turning 1s and 0s into 0s and 1s is illegal!!!
first the x299 fiasco, now this?
they're becoming desperate for attention

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>>60837162
Many Jews in Scandinavia, and Muslims now too.
You Scandinavians only know how to construct snowballs.
Even the Christianity you value was stolen from Meds.

>because they were smart enough to get themself rulled by nordic ubermenschen.

>nordic ubermenschen
>took a bloke called Hitler who looked like a Turk in order to round them up to do something historically important
>ruled by a literal darkie
KEK
Kill yourself snownigger.

>>60837192
>Even the Christianity you value was stolen from Meds.

i don't have a bone in this retarded troll war but scandinavians don't value christianity at all

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>>60837074
>>white people (intel)
This is what americans believe LMAO

>>60837202
Everything you value comes from Meds one way or another.
Christianity, Islam, Civilization, Humanism, Liberalism, Democracy, etc. etc.
Go back to worshiping Odin and Thor and we may talk about Nordic achievements then.

>>60837074
>intel
>white

>>60837202
>but scandinavians don't value christianity at all
>>60837202
Yeah, this is why all their nations have a cross in their flag innit

>>60837225
We just took the good parts, then threw away all the supernatural crap.

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>>60837074
>>60837094
>>60837097
>>60837118
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>>60837225
Well this degenerated

>>60837240
>atheism
Oh look, another Med invention.
Snowniggers think they invented atheism. This is a laugh.

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>>60837074
>intel
>white

The only thing Snowniggers are good at is not breeding.
Just look at their fertility rates.
A collective on the way to the dumpster.

>>60837245
>snownigger got beautiful religion from med
>mixed it with disgusting pagan
>genocided ""witches""
>acted like barbarians for centuries
>"we are civilised race"
Kek

>>60837247
Atheism isn't an invention, just the natural state of humanity. You can't invent it anymore than you can invent breathing, retard.

>>60837245
Gas yourself, kike

>>60837279
You can invent the word and formalize the concept itself,
which was done by Meds.
You snowniggers didn't even understand the notion and concept of belief while the Meds were busy building civilization and giving vocabulary to everything in existence, tangible or intangible.

How did this thread turn into /pol/

Sarmatians > Meds >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scandis

>>60837306
>horsefuckers
>better than anyone
>>>/mlp/

>>60835913

What Intel is preventing is anyone from implementing the x86 instruction set with all the modern instructions. Legally, anything before the original Pentium, which is 24 years old now and not out of patent yet, can be implemented on the basis of expired patents and that is what most existing x86 emulated chips have done.

>>60837028
Well you couldn't prosper during that time by being nice, also he has enough money to do charity, has nothing to do with PR

>>60836489
>Getting a custom ROM for a SD SOC is usually very easy. Good luck with anything else especially Hisilicon.

Samsung are complete faggots when it comes to letting people root/rom exynos phones.

>>60835913
I thought emulation was legal as long as they didn't use any patented/copyrighted code without permission?

>>60837330
>However, there have been reports that some companies may try to emulate Intel’s proprietary x86 ISA without Intel’s authorization. Emulation is not a new technology, and Transmeta was notably the last company to claim to have produced a compatible x86 processor using emulation (“code morphing”) techniques. Intel enforced patents relating to SIMD instruction set enhancements against Transmeta’s x86 implementation even though it used emulation. In any event, Transmeta was not commercially successful, and it exited the microprocessor business 10 years ago.

>Only time will tell if new attempts to emulate Intel’s x86 ISA will meet a different fate. Intel welcomes lawful competition, and we are confident that Intel’s microprocessors, which have been specifically optimized to implement Intel’s x86 ISA for almost four decades, will deliver amazing experiences, consistency across applications, and a full breadth of consumer offerings, full manageability and IT integration for the enterprise. However, we do not welcome unlawful infringement of our patents, and we fully expect other companies to continue to respect Intel’s intellectual property rights. Strong intellectual property protections make it possible for Intel to continue to invest the enormous resources required to advance Intel’s dynamic x86 ISA, and Intel will maintain its vigilance to protect its innovations and investments.

tone is pretty clear, they're essentially bragging about suing Transmeta into oblivion for trying to emulate it. 'Only time will tell if new attempts to emulate Intel’s x86 ISA will meet a different fate' isn't very subtle either. They will sue again if they think they can get away with it.

>>60837428
>bragging about suing a child into oblivion
>to a giant like Microsoft who sues for a living, and who are basically a lawyer training company before they are a software developer
Intel better prepare to get buttfucked.

>>60837428
Same was likely to happen to Nvidias Denver CPU. It was rumored for a long time that the original plan was actually to emulate x86 on it. But Intel licensed Nvidia GPU-Tech for a lot of money and the promise to use it to emulate ARM only.

>>60837428

That's the thing. If you implemented x86 circa 1992, you would be in the clear. But you wouldn't be able to sell the chip because losing 25 years of ISA improvements and then trying to sell itwouldn't create enough customers to justify doing it.

arm is so fuckin slow, who cares.

>>60837504
Nah nigger, top tier ARM SoCs rive mobile i5's per clock and watt.

>>60837462
yes but the premise that the rest of the x86 instruction extensions are actually fair game for patenting at all, let alone that emulating the function of those instructions would constitute a patent infringement seems pretty fucking dubious to me

I hate intel OP. How can we use this to make sure they fail?

>>60836795
So it's actually physically impossible to enter the market with a compatible CPU if you aren't either AMD or Intel?

Fucking awesome system we have here.

>>60837532
Given all the intel vs amd and other lawsuits, I don't think the validity of those patents is really in question.

>>60835913
>inb4 Microsoft optimizes Windows 10 for AMD

>>60837574
Yeah. Patents are stupid. As is all intellectual property to be honest. Ideas should not be property.

>>60837585
i know theres a large volume of them, that's not the same thing as establishing meaningful precedents. amd for example won last time intel accused them of infringing the x86 license.

>>60837613
Microsoft already told Intel to fuck off from Project Olympus.

>>60837528
That's a bunch of bullshit. SD 835 is about half the speed of the I-5 2520m in a thinkpad T420. That's a low range chip from half a decade ago. Apple's stuff doesn't count as they aren't licensing anytime soon and the rest aren't even in the conversation.

>>60836795
>intel licensed amd the x86 architecture in a way that amd cant license it out to other manufacturers.
There are loopholes it seems.
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/227059-amd-announces-new-293-million-joint-venture-to-build-servers-for-the-chinese-market
>This suggests that the JV is structured to bypass restrictions in AMD’s x86 license agreement with Intel that would otherwise prevent the company from signing any such agreement. Lisa Su also noted that the new joint venture would rely solely on AMD’s own intellectual property. This raises some significant questions about what, exactly, AMD can license.

>>60836795
Too bad main x86 patents expired long ago.

>>60837613
Xbox one is already a thing

>>60837639
To be fair, the 2520m is also around ten times the powerdraw of SD835.

>>60837712
That's true but newer chips don't have this problem. As long as I can get 10+ hours out of a laptop which is easily doable now, I'd be a fool to gimp myself with a cellphone processor. I mean to what end? 2 days before I have to plug it in? I don't care. "Always connected"? Lol. Keep your botnet

>>60837742
>Everything has to made to support my needs.

>>60837742
Nice job moving the goalposts.

>>60837616
>Ideas should not be property

Communism.

If a company spend a shit ton of money on R+D to develop something, that company should be the only one able to take advantage of it. Otherwise, there would be no point on researching, just wait until someone comes up with a good design/idea and copy it for free. The lack of patenting creates technological stagnation.

Patent should last much less for the same reason, though. 10 years seems like a reasonable amount of time.

>>60837800
The point was the fact that putting the SD835 in a laptop serves literally no purpose other than to make a shitty slow laptop. It's not for battery life, it isn't for speed that's for damn sure. It's not for portability as you can get laptops right now that are less than two pounds with Core processors. So what are you left with?
>Autism

>>60837831
>that company should be the only one able to take advantage of it.
aka monopoly aka communism

>>60837836
And the TOPIC of the argument was that ARM rivals Intel's chips in performance per watt. Your point has nothing to do with that.

>>60837850
>And the TOPIC of the argument was that ARM rivals Intel's chips in performance per watt. Your point has nothing to do with that.
Which is great for cellphones but doesn't mean a damn thing in the context of laptops. That's the real point. The whole discussion started when Microsoft and Qualcomm trotted out their little video of Windows running on Snapdragon. Now every nerd in a fifty mile radius is pissing himself in spasmodic glee. Over this. The prospect of running a laptop with a cellphone CPU.
Look I hate Intel but this isn't the answer. This is premature and will only sour the market for alternatives to Core chips just like Atom did. Your best bet to see Intel eat shit is buy Ryzen and hope AMD doesn't something equally as spectacular in mobile. That's what I'm doing.

>>60837613
>Windows cripples intel cpus
Gaymurr kids on suicide watch

>>60837831
True, patents should get around a decade. IPs around the same time.

Anyone who's responsible for IPs to extend past the death of the author should be rounded up and shot. If they aren't alive anymore, their descendants should be removed from the gene pool.

As an aside, anyone else excited for the next round of "Disney extends Mickey Mouse"? That IP is about to run out, so they'll get another fucking extension written into law and another three fucking decades of no new entries into the public domain.

Ridiculously long copyright is theft from our culture.

>>60837831
>MUH PATENTS MUH IDEAS
It's because of pieces of shit like you we're now stuck between choosing either Intel and AMD backdoored bullshit.

Your kind deserves extermination.

>>60836281
Stolen cla-technology vey, remember the six million.

>>60838031
The idea of patents is that you publicize how your shit works, while also being granted a temporary monopoly, to prevent you from hoarding knowledge and causing humanity damage if your company fails.

Good luck finding anyone who remembers that, though.

>>60836191
\thread
Intel will lose their cash cow soon
>>60837669
Intel also licensed the failed mobile Atoms to some chink company, and another chink company it's pushing their own home grown x86 CPU's

>>60838169
>>60836191
>WinXP
By the way, is there a good way to run XP in a VM for gaming purposes?
I don't have a legit key, have no idea how I'd crack the OS and Hyper-V doesn't have the ability to give me sound.

>>60838231
Any VM with GPU passthough (and you have supported hardware) should be enough.

Can't wait for Intel to start losing market share left and right, then go totally nuts and start trying to invalidate licensing deals and sue anything that moves.

The plot is already thickening

Qualcomm has provided the following official statement with regards to Intel's comments on x86 architecture:

Given our recentannouncementwith ASUS, HP and Lenovo, we found the blog that one of our competitors published on June 8 very interesting. We look forward to the launch of the always connected Windows 10 PC powered by the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 Mobile PC Platform later this year. As showcased at Computex 2017 in conjunction with Microsoft, the Snapdragon 835 Mobile PC Platform brings atruealways connected PC experience with support for up to Gigabit LTE connectivity and all-day battery life for sleek, thin and fanless designs. This will change the future of personal computing.

I think the SHITWRECKER literally wrecked intels shit right into the ground for good

>>60838031
If it wasn't for my kind you would be stuck between choosing either an abacus or your fingers.

>>60838558
>a true always connected PC

What

>>60838624
It means ACTIVATE THE GOYNET AND SHUT IT DOWN

>>60838624

Snapdragon supports LTE wifi.

>>60838624
I used to have a Surface RT.
Say about it what you want, but it being online 24/7 with notifications like a smartphone was quite awesome.
It was always in standby, never hibernating and barely had any battery drain. Just chuck it into a corner and come back a week later. Open the cover, it instantly lights up and shows you what you missed and is still at 20% or so power.

>>60838324
Well, I guess that part was kinda obvious.

But any suggestions on how to get Windows XP activated? I'm not keen on redoing the image every thirty days.

>>60836047

Intel is s fucking cancer. They need to be broken up.

>>60837831
The company that developed it should get first dibs when it gets on the market, and then whatever time it takes for others to reverse engineer it. Anything else is communism.

>>60838612
And by 'your kind' I meant the "you have no other choice but backdoors, because we said so" kind

Not your personal interpretation of what it means.