/pcbg/ - PC Building General

First for Kikes ruining 580

>>60818061
nail polish is gross and so is nail art

Can someone explain what the fuck happened to all the 570s, 80s and 60s? Why are they all 400+ on ebay all of a sudden.

I was only under a rock for a week while I moved for work.

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580 in stock at newegg right this second.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/swnYCy

been tweaking this for a while as I try to save up. Already cut about $300 off. no idea what the actual price for the mobo is or where to get it but that's what the msrp is apparently. I'll figure it out more when I'm able to buy. I wanted a 570 but the mining nonsense makes that tough.

>>60818121
First post already explained it senpai
Its the kikes

>>60818127
>mfw I bought 10 580
>Gonna resell all of them
I am the KIKE

>>60818141
really doesn't explain shit. Mining? CUDA?... the fuck did I miss?

>>60818149
Mining

>>60818140
Looks like a fine build, although that CPU seems like a bit of overkill for the graphics card.

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>>60818152
>Mining

Explain. Is it cryptocurrency mining or something else?

>>60818170
Runescape mining.

>>60818170
What other mining do you think Jews will get up to? Of course it is cryptomining.

>>60818146
I'm doing the same thing. Is ebay going to be over saturated though?

>>60818194
>> I'm level 99 in woodcutting

Come at me bro.

>>60818225
We will see.

>>60818210
Yeah... but why GPUs? I thought that was all processor based and you could put together a shitty graphicswise rig with a decent cpu and mine away.

>>60818260
No one has mined with processors in ages senpai.

>>60818277
educate me like I'm five then because I am clearly behind the times.

>>60818291
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Why_a_GPU_mines_faster_than_a_CPU

Read the buttcoin wiki

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how'd i do

Bought an RX 580 in my third world shithole, is there a guide for mining?

>>60818307
Thanks for the info, I will read it on my leisure over this weekend and then contemplate on whether I should jump in on this or not.

>>60818379
what country? I'm also a 3rd world scrub but 580 is not on stock everywhere I look.

>>60818411
Argentina, since 2 weeks ago I have checking daily on a website and there has been stock moving, at the start they had the Nitro+ LE, Gigabyte Aorus, etc
Now they only have the 2 bestbuy RX 580s 8GB models from XFX and Nitro+ 4GB

>>60818379
>>60818394
You want to mine Eth. Not bitcoin. Or you can mine Eth and be paid out in Bitcoin. Hit out /biz/ for more info. /biz/ is the go to board for cryptomining.

>>60818379
nanopool.org/help

>>60818432
I just checked /biz/ but it's full of faggots shilling different cryptos, I already knew about Eth but I was looking for a complete updated guide, specially for RX 580s

>>60818437
Page not found

>>60818450
https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/guides/how-to-mine-ethereum/

>>60818061
Question from a first timer, how do you choose what company to go with for GPUs? Like ASUS, XFX, Gigabyte, msi?

>>60818450
>page not found
figure it out

>>60818483
Check benchmarks and reviews
Which card in particular are you interested in?
Also remember that even with factory OCs most GPUs perform the same no mather the manufacturer, at least without extra overclocking

>>60818502
I already screwed up back in november with a MSI RX 480 8gb, Thinking of a Nvidia GTX 1080Ti this november or sale but don't know what brand. I like ASUS but I mostly see EVGA getting the good reviews.

So I'm planning on upgrading soon, my plan so far is:

R5 1600 CPU
Supernova 650W
16GB DDR4
And some cryorig cooler, maybe H5?

I've been looking at the 580s but you jews >>60818146 >>60818127 have depleted that supply in minutes, so I'm planning on bumming a holdover card from a friend's old build and waiting for Vega.

I'd like any good recommendations on:

Case - Just going to do air cooling for now
RAM - Brand and speed for a ryzen 1600 (I heard g.skill was the best and high speed, a la 3200)
Mobo - Brand/type. Not sure which version to go with - I will be overclocking as well.
Monitor - 144Hz, pref. with Freesync for the Radeon cards. Something along lines of 24", 1080p. I'll jump to 4k when prices of those go down.

Thank you. Also fuck 580 hoarders and miners.

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saving up for a ryzen gaming pc (gpu preferably 570/580, but will most likely be gtx 1060 6GB). What's a good value monitor, /g/? I've read that you shouldn't scrimp on a monitor, since it'll last much much longer than the pc.

TN 144Hz or IPS 60Hz?
4K or not?

Personally I think that 24" 60FPS is plenty. But will gaming be more enjoyable on a >27" >60FPS?
Thanks

>>60818525
I will sell one to you for 400 bucks. No need to salty.

>>60818523
EVGA is good because of customer service, even if your card fails you quickly get a new one.
>>60818550
1060 can't do 4K so no
Get an IPS 60hz unless you play a lot of esports games, then buy a TN, tho those are the only games you will be able to play with very high framerates.

>>60818550
IPS > TN unless you play a lot of twitch shooters and need that high response rate.

>>60818550
Higher Hz looks better but requires a better graphics card. 4K looks great but for 60fps you need something along the lines of a 1080.

A very safe bet is to get a 144Hz 24" for now with freesync or gsync and upgrade to a 4k when prices come down for both those monitors AND capable video cards, at which point you convert your 24" into a second screen for random tasks outside of gaming like managing your voice comms or looking at porn.

>>60818564
Not a chance in Hell will I be jewed up THAT much. GL on Ebay.

Any good monitors out there for under $150?

>>60818585
>or looking at porn
If you have a 4k screen, you watch 4k porn. It is a game changer.
But I agree, 5 years down the road, a good quality IPS will still have resale value unlike the rest of your build.

>>60818602
Someone posted a decent acer 24" acer IPS yesterday. IIRC they are under 150 and pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Y26Uq07Kw

A good video on TN vs IPS.
Watch and decide which you prefer or need.

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>>60818525
Get one of these, pussy

Also 650W is overkill for your plans. You really only need 400. 550 will give you more than you need in case you think you may need more later.
M12II, 550RM, and 650RM were both on sale the past few days. Maybe they still are.

>>60818603
Someday friend I will reach the heavens of 4k porn but today is not this day.

But I'm just talking hypothetically if he's using it as a 2nd monitor for gaming. Prices for all that 4k stuff are quite high right now.

>>60818565
Well who would be best performance wise?

>>60818667
I have a 27" monitor and I think it is already atrociously large. I am not able to screen pan in some games because of it. I doubt I will ever use 4k in my PC. TV yes. PC? Nah. 1440p is as large as I will go.

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>>60818565
>>60818574
thanks m9!
>>60818585
144Hz 24", so a TN? I've looked around and there's no IPS panel with that spec. There are 27" 144Hz though. (> $600)

Also:
- Will it be ok to use your 144Hz monitor to run 60fps games yearlong (or whatev years until you upgrade your gpu)?
- Will you get neck pain programming on a 27" monitors or above? (I guess you can sit further back, but isn't that the same thing as getting a smaller monitor?)

>>60818106
kill yourself

diediediedieidie

>>60818738
>Will it be ok to use your 144Hz monitor to run 60fps games yearlong
Yes. To my knowledge all monitors let you see the frequency limit. Most 144 monitors have an option to limit it to 60, 120, 144. And some even let you overclock it to 165.

>- Will you get neck pain programming on a 27" monitors or above?
I can't help you here. This is personal preference and style.

>>60818738
IPS vs TN is a big ol' debate that boils down to what you want the monitor for. For stuff like video/photo editing where the color richness matters, IPS is the go to. For stuff where the fps matters, you want the higher Hz of a TN so you can get the godly 144Hz. It makes a difference and once you go up to 144 you won't want to go back especially if you add on freesync/gsync.

But an IPS due to the innate picture quality will last you a long time IF you switch to a newer monitor and use the IPS as a secondary - you won't need that high Hz anymore and will care more about picture quality.

>>60818146
Nobody with a brain is going to buy a used GPU after a mining boom. We know it's been tortured 24/7 for god knows how long.

>>60818802
I'd also like to add TN panels are generally cheaper being older tech.

>>60818802
Some of the high end IPS monitors have sub 5ms response time as well which makes them usable for FPS and gaming which limits TN to if you are playing twitch shooters. So take that into account when choosing an IPS monitor if you decide to get one.

>>60818061
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qPwRXH
How does this look for 1080p gaymen?

>>60818816
It is brand new and out of the box moron.
I am scalping them.

>>60818824
Looks good.

>>60818826
You're selling it on ebay

nobody believes you

your product is tainted

>>60818834
ty

>>60818792
>>60818802
ty, appreciate it. I guess I'll go 24" IPS 60Hz first and then wait until gpu upgrade or until prices for the 144Hz are down. Got any favorite brand?

>>60818836
>Implying
You are just jealous you didn't get a 580.
Fyi. I have already sold one to someone before my shipment even shipped.

Having trouble getting my H81 Pro BTC set up. I can only get video out from the VGA slot when no GPUs are connected. As soon as I connect the GPUs no signal goes to monitor. Have tried HDMI ports on GPUs (Radeon Rx 570s) but no luck. Have googled and watched vids but am stuck. Help?

>>60818861
Go read monitor reviews. Every brand has good and bad monitors. Get the one that best suits your needs.

>>60818824
I'm going for the same build. I think it's a really good build value-wise. Trying to lurk around for a RX 580 first.

Is the RX 580 even worth using for gaming right now? 1060 is cheaper and better and Vega is right around the corner. Aside from mining, who would even think about purchasing these cards for games?

>>60818878
Make sure your 570 is properly inserted and powered.
On your monitor itself, change the input signal from VGA to HDMI. Some of the older monitors require manual input and don't automatically detect signals.
Report back.

>>60818913
People who hate Nvidia

>>60818816
I bought a used 290 2 years ago and it's fine. Miners run cards at stock voltage, stock speed.

>>60818867
ooc, how much did you manage for it?

I'm considering picking ones out from canada and shipping them to the states at this rate.

>>60818913
Not really, pick up a 580, hawk it and buy a bigger card. Repeat ad nauseum.

>>60818867
Are you selling on Ebay? It sucks they take a 10% cut. On a $400+ sale that really eats into your profit margins

>>60818938
Around 100 dollar profit.

>>60818970
No. Craiglists. Local reseller forums. I will try sell locally first (i live in a big city) to save on shipping and middlemen taking a cut. I can afford to sell cheaper than Ebay and still make a profit in this manner.

>>60818061
i can get a 980ti for 250ish bucks, should I go for it? currently have a 480 im looking to sell, with the cryptomining I can easily get 200 for it as of now

>>60818916

Had power button installed wrong. Not sure if that was an issue.

Managed to put HDMI cable on GPU plugged into the 16 x 1 slot and got it working.

Thanks for help Anon.

>>60818991
Ok I might try that. Thanks

>>60819005
No.

>>60819012
power button polarity doesn't matter, since it's just a momentary switch.

Is it worth to swap a 1080 for a 1080ti?

>>60819036
With Volta in 2018?
Nope.

>>60819017
why not?

>>60819049
Has it been viciously overclocked?
Is it warranty still valid?
Is there any issue with the GPU that is intermittent?

>>60819085
>overclocked
no
>warranty valid
yes
>issue with gpu
no

>>60819100
Yeah go ahead and buy it then.

>>60818913
>Is the RX 580 even worth using for gaming right now? 1060 is cheaper and better
what? RX580 beats the 1060 6GB 9Gbps on average. Especially in newer games and 1440p.

>>60818935
Some miners are retarded and overclock even though it tends to be much less profitable. But yes, most run at lower than stock voltage.

>>60819100
If warranty is transferable then go for it.

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How can I make this cheaper?

Should I go for 1080 with these prices?

>>60820038
if monitor is 1080p, 1070
if monitor is 1440p, 1080

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/HNQtYr
How does this look for budget 1080p gaming? Plan on finding a used gtx 970

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Currently looking to buy this cheap IPS:
LG 25" LED 25UM58-P IPS, for gaming. It has 75Hz refresh rate, which is good considering the price ($160-170ish). It doesn't have Freesync/G-Sync though. What do you think?
GPU will probably be GTX1060 6GB.

>>60820084
looks bad
2 cores isn't going to cut it

>>60820084
Core is a bust unless all you play is LoL and Hearthstone.

>>60820088
Read reviews. A monitor can look good on paper but suffer from backlight bleed or other issues (shaky stand, washed out colors due to panels). You will only get this info from first hand usage which is where reviews come in.

>>60820127
ty, what's your go-to review site?

http://www.144hzmonitors.com/reviews/lg-25um58-p-review/ SeemsGood

>>60820127
>>60820155
Will the no-Freesync/Gsync be a major issue for gaming?

>>60820097
>>60820102
From all the research I've been doing it seems to run most modern games on high settings at 60fps~ with a decent gpu.

>>60820188
Freesync and kikesync is the mechanical keyboard of monitors. You don't need it, it is not necessary but once you get it, it is really hard to go back to not having it.

>>60820194
Because those benchmarks are only running those games. They aren't running chrome in the background. Or discord. Or whatever background software you have. That is the problem.

>>60820155
That is a good site. Also check youtube for video reviews so you can see if there are any physical issues you might not like.

>>60820194
benchmarks mean jack shit unless it's you running the benchmark

>>60820208
thanks, that's some good explanation.

How's a G4560 + 1050Ti for general emulation and overwatch? Aiming for under 450$

best, most reasonably priced 750 PSU on the market?

>>60820308
Ask somewhere else. This is an AMD only thread.

>>60820308
what emulation? overwatch ok, but in what resolution?

>>60820407

I'd say at max Dolphin emulation. Shooting for 1080p but I'm sure he can survive at lower res.

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>>60820308

>>60820346
Raidmax

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Dwg2M8

Need a new GPU, and as a result PSU. Any feedback?

>>60820552
1060 if you can't wait. 580 if you can.
1080ti if you have money to spend.

>>60820603
>580
wait until restocked or wait until vega?

>>60818061
/g/, the RX570 isn't in stock anywhere, ditto the 580. The 6GB 1060 is out of my price range, how bad am I fucking myself if I get the 3GB version?

Anyone have a crystal ball and know if the 570 will be purchasable at all this month?

>>60820617
Restock or Vega if Vega is good.

>>60820622
>how bad am I fucking myself if I get the 3GB version?
You are fucked out by texture so you will be forced to lower texture quality in game

>Anyone have a crystal ball and know if the 570 will be purchasable at all this month?
Are you feeling lucky punk?

cheapest RAM for Ryzen? I can stick with 8GB for now, I just need something that would be 'enough'

>>60820658
At least 128 gb of RAM.

>>60820638
I should just suck it up and see if I can score some overtime, then. Unless I luck out and the 570 comes back in stock.

Thanks anon.

This might be off-topic but just did a fresh install and got a few questions about software.

What is the best browser and media player? Using Windows 7 64 bit.

>>60820603
I can afford the 1070, is stocking levels of 580s that bad that I won't get one? Get the 1070 instead?

>>60820704
Go look up the price of a 580 right now on Ebay. New.

Zen+/Zen2 when?

>>60820703
Chrome + mpv.

Don't listen to Firefox, VLC or MPC-HC shills.

>>60820712
haha thanks for the laugh man
fucking autistic cryptonerds lol

1070 it is

>>60818061
i'm the only one who recognized a voodo graphic card ?

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i'm so smart

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I think I need a SSD next, maybe a proper copy of windows as well.

>>60820703
customized firefox
mpv or mpc+hc+madvr

>>60820452
dolphin emulation uses multiple cores and threads now

>>60820729
2018

>>60820745
retard detected. at least use ungoogled chromium

>>60820830
>z97 mobo
>locked cpu
you fucked up. also yeah get an ssd

so anyone knows when rx580 prices will be normal again? i was planning a new build early july.

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Pretty happy with the build so far. Def going to get a better power supply in the near future for overclocking. Is the G2 still were its at in terms of quality?

>>60820952
Minimum post Vega.
Or when the Eth bubble burst.

>>60820956
why is your video card 0 dollars?

>>60820956
should've gotten 2x4gb ram. also a question: how are boot times on this mobo?
and yes G2 / G3 are good.

>>60820982
Mobo time is dependent on SSD

>>60820969
fucking cryptofags ruined my plans. i don't want gtx1060 since i'll be also getting 75hz or 144hz freesync monitor.

>>60821016
Vega. There was a restock today. Check your local retailer for 580 stock. Next restock is end June.

>>60820981
Most of the 0 stuff is crap I've had for a while so I didn't really feel like adding prices to them

>>60820982
Pretty fucking fast. I was worried about AM4 since people were complaining about boot times but everything is good on my end.

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>>60820995
no, different mobos have different post times

>>60821032
POST time barely factors into the overall boot time or is that 1 sec you take to POST going to be that important?

These silverstone fans that came with my FT03 are amazing. So quiet while blowing so much.
Plastic seems so much higher quality than the cryorig ones.

>>60820956
I had that motherboard, and a word of warning; bios update through windows bricked it so use flash utility only. Quick post time with it, but I'm still battling with RMA process as I wasn't first purchaser. Be careful dude.

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Its habbening lads

>>60821194
i hope you trip on it

>>60821191
Oh shit, thanks for the advice. I flashed the latest bios using the bios utility as soon as I picked it up from Newegg will call and it worked fine. Hope everything works out for you, m8

>>60821285
no worries dude, and cheers

if it helps... from memory I was going from 1.4 to 2.2, and a lot had similar issues, so they may have fixed it prior to you buying it.

>>60821230
Y-you too

Just bought an 850 EVO.

Did I fuck up?

>>60821194
Enjoy lad

>>60820956
>>60821191
I have that board too.
BIOS update from the UEFI itself through the internet worked perfectly fine.
Don't know why the fuck you'd update through Windows. I had no idea that was even a thing. It shouldn't be a thing.

>>60821365
Unless you paid over $150 for the 500GB or over $275 for the 1TB, no you did fine.

>>60821413
>>60821191

>not desoldering the bios chip from your motherboard and programming it manually with an SPI flasher

shiggy diggy

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>>60821426
too busy fucking your girlfriend (male) to do that

>>60820940
What's the matter with a locked CPU?

Ryzen ft. coreboot/libreboot when?

I'm looking at building a new PC to upgrade from the gaymen PC I built back in 2013 with an i5 3570K and a HD7850, but I'm on a tight budget but I don't want to skimp on the CPU since I'm going to use the PC more for Lightroom/Premiere/Ableton Live than gaymen so I want to get at least a Ryzen 1600.

Is it better to buy the PC in parts or just get a PC now with a cheapo CPU and GPU, like the Ryzen 1400 and RX560/Geforce 1050, and upgrading them in a year or two? Right now I'm using a Thinkpad X230 as my main PC so any quad core desktop CPU will perform better than this, so I don't want to get an Intel dual core since the upgrade path for Ryzen is better with its 6 and 8 core CPUs, but Ryzen 3 isn't going to arrive for a while.

Should I just wait for Ryzen 3?

>>60821480
What's your budget, anon

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I really want to get a 1080ti but recommended wattage is 600 while I only have a 550watt psu (which also is a few years old, if that matters), am I fucked?

>>60821480
Both the 1400 and 560 / 1050 would most likely perform slightly worse than what you currently have.
Get a 1600 and keep your GPU until you get the money for a new one is what i'd recommend considering the productivity you do.

>>60821464
z97 chipset allows for overclock and as such is more expensive, yet your CPU doesn't allow overclocking
it's a waste of money

>>60821514
what CPU do you have?

redpill me on my first build

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/xBGKVY

1TB SSD is gratis and the plan is to get HDD when I start running low on space

>>60821526
>what CPU do you have?
i5 6600k, which I hear is adequate for gayman

No need to upgrade but someone wants to buy my i7 4770. Should I let it go and buy Ryzen 7 1700?

>>60821531
Then 550w is perfectly fine. It'd only be worrying if you had a very power hungry CPU, but even 500w would do well with 6600k + 1080ti

>>60821536
if you make use of the 8 cores yeah
otherwise, why not settle for a 1600?

>>60821542
The cooler master PSU calculator recommends a 511 watt PSU too, although I'm not sure what values to put the CPU speed and CPU vcore sliders to

And what would the effects be of too low power? I've got a corsair power supply of unknown model that's like, 8 years old at most unless I replaced it somewhere down the line.

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>install 7700k with meme Kraken X62 and Grizzly Kryonaut
>80 degrees load on stock
JUST

>>60821530
that's actually a solid build there anon, go ahead

>>60821191
noob here, I just bought that same mobo yesterday. Everything's normal so far. What should I watch out for?

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Would you recommend me to change my amd R9 290 for a nvidia
Titan? The original Titan.

In benchmarks they look similar, but a friend is disassembling his pc and he offered it to me.

>>60821814
Nah. You're better off with a newer card that supports newer technology (like freesync)

>>60821513
Not set in stone, I just want something that will perform better than my Thinkpad X230 while spending as little as possible so I can upgrade the CPU and GPU later. I know that Intel is better for budget builds right now since you can use the iGPU but I still want to stick to AM4 for upgrades down the road with having to replace everything.

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Check mah shit. The goal is to build a sub $450 dollar build for 1080p 60fps gaming. I'm worried about pic related.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Zangs/saved/M69Mpg

>>60821516
I don't have access to my old desktop right now, I'm using my X230 as my main PC. I could just take the GPU from that for my new build and use the iGPU on my old desktop, though.

>>60821852
get a b250 mobo for ~15$ more and you're set.

>>60821609
Kek.

I put my 1600X in a tiny mATX case with only a single 120mm exhaust fan as the only case fan and even at the stock like 1.2625V it still stays at 45-61C. (idle vs 100% load all 12 threads)
At a fixed 3.7GHz all-core and in my bigger case with 3 case fans it stayed at 38-50C.
I like the smaller case with less fans though.

>>60821469
good question :(
We might not hear anything definitive for a year.

>>60821634
not really

>>60821530
you want dual channel memory (2x4gb). go for at least 3000mhz since ryzen benefits from faster ram.
also that monitor is pretty shite. if you're going for 1080p60 then at least pick something with an ips panel. cheapest one is AOC I2369Vm.

>>60821814
wat? An R9 290, at least overclocked or a 290X, is largely better than a Keplar Titan.
You must be looking at old ass benchmarks are something. AMD drivers have dramatically improved while Nvidia's often get worse.

You could probably sell your 290 for $300-$350 and get a GTX 1070 but you might be better off waiting for Vega and waiting for good mining cards to go up even higher in value.
>inb4 RX570s start going for $800

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I just received my Noctua D15S, /g/!
Now i need to wait for the am4 bracket to come but that should come soon considering the country is pretty close

>>60821915
In any case I was thinking in selling my 290 and hold with the titan until Vega. I did not know Titan had aged so bad.

>>60821969
Kepler has aged terribly. Even something like 280x will sometimes compete with a 780ti in new games.

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>>60821946
That's a heavy cooler.

I think I will just use the stock cooler on mine and not overclock, beyond the self overclocking.

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>>60818061
Are mITX builds just a meme? It seems that every mITX case worth a shit like for example Fractal's Nano are so large that you're better off just building a small mATX rig and not constrain yourself to a itx motherboard.

god damn, the Xonar DGX drivers for W10 x64 are dogshit
do not ever buy this soundcard, way too many problems

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is there any reason for me to get liquid cooling? why is it such a meme? do i just get an air cooler? noise wouldn't bother me because i have headphones on at all times, and i don't care what the guts of my pc case look like

>>60822152
The "UNi Xonar W10 1825 1.81 drivers" work fine to me

>>60822217
forgot to mention that i was talking about the Asus Xonar DGX

>>60822238

And I have the same card. My only "problem" is that I have to use the apps pack to change the amp's impedance.

>>60822291
Well, the drivers provided by asus's website (8.1.8.1823) are complete shit
On some musics if i try to change the volume the sound just completely stops and i have to disable & enable the peripheral or change any setting in the audio drivers for it to work again. Also happens if i try to play different musics really fast (browsing a playlist to find a specific song). Also got a blue screen from changing the volume multiple times on one music that would cut off the sound completely everytime i changed it. Even after a new windows install it didn't change anything. Strangely enough this happens only if i have the hi-fi mode non-enabled, which means i'm forced to have it enabled which prevents me from touching anything in the equalizer

>>60820155
lol, 5ms

I switched RAM sticks to the two other slots on my motherboard because the amount of Mhz wasn't right, I took them out without any problem, however the moment I wanted to push them in again it was near impossible.

I tried pushing them in and applying just a little bit of pressure but I couldn't get it in both sides at once.
I tried a couple of times, took them out and put them in again a couple of time then I tried applying more pressure on one side, then make it click, and then the other side.
This worked, but the motherboard had bent quite a bit. (I kept it all in the case, just put the computer on the side)
I started the PC and it wen't fine,but the issue was still there so I put them back again.

So I unplug the PC again, put it on the side, remove side cover, remove ram sticks and try to put them in the other ram slots again.
This went even more difficult, I eventually got them to click in too though but not without having the motherboard bent quite a bit again.
(It bent back eventually as far as I can see from here, so it's pretty much straight again I guess)

The computer starts but I have no idea if this could have damage anything?
It's one of the first times I do this with a computer, sorry for the stupid question.

>>60822460
>I switched RAM sticks to the two other slots on my motherboard because the amount of Mhz wasn't right
It most likely isn't and that wouldn't solve anything regardless

it could damage but generally mobos are pretty sturdy, they can handle such things

I plan on installing a legit version of Windows 10 on a new SSD I bought, first I will reset the BIOS trough BIOS settings because I used to have a cracked version of Windows 7 on this PC.
I wonder if possible leftovers or config of the past buggy install of Windows 7 could also affect my new install and whether it'd maybe be smart to just replace some more parts besides the SSD?
Also, does Windows 10 install all the drivers automatically as I've been told? Or do I still have to put chipset / bios / sound drivers / network drivers / video drivers on a USB-stick first?

Should I buy an i7 7700k? Go for ryzen?

>>60822497
maybe?
depends entirely on usage

>>60822480
Thank you, it ended up being in the BIOS. It's back to the original amount of Mhz now, I was being stupid there and forgot to check BIOS first.
Is there anyway I can check if the motherboard is damaged?

>>60822163
thanks for the answer, dickwads

>>60822507
you aren't entitled to anything you homo

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>>60822501
If it was damaged you most likely would've heard a loud pop / crack or such. PCBs can handle being bent somewhat so really there's no issue you wouldn't have noticed already

>>60822163
>>60822507
because air coolers are enough in 95% of the cases. good air cooler performs better than cheap AIO and with a fan curve it barely makes a noise

they are usually for retards who spend thousands on their rig and can't be bothered to save 50$.

>>60822500
Mostly vidya, dont plan on OC, creating a higher tier rig while trying to get the most out of my money, nothing flashy.

>>60822530
Glad to hear, thanks.

>>60822497
if you're purely going to be gaming and you already have a gtx 1080 ti then i7 7700k will give the best performance available right now

>>60822554
If I don't? I'm going from scratch and I'm not too tech savvy.

>>60822549
If you care about getting the most out of your money, the 7700k isn't a very good buy: for pure gaming it's the best CPU available, but it doesn't offer very good value. I would suggest a R5 1600(x) instead.

>>60822588
Thanks anon, any other tips for a newcomer?

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tl;dr: Build 4-core system now or wait for new socket type?

So I want to build a PC for creative work, no gaming at all (I guess). Stuff like photoshop, painter, zbrush etc. It should all run at 4K where possible.

I'm already set on the monitor and all, but I'm a bit hesitant since all the new shit is coming out with a gazzilion cores like threadripper/i9 etc.

Does it make sense to wait a bit for the new shit to settle or is a current setup future proof? One thing that concerns me is that all these mobos past 4-core structures seem to only support lower RAM speeds.

Any suggestions?

>>60822578
i7 7700k performs better than competitors products in video games right now, but thats only when the CPU becomes the bottleneck aka the limiting factor, which is uncommon unless you already have a beastly video card AND you're running games at 100+ fps.

>>60822626
Not really sure what's that thing about 4 core structures motherboard?
Threadripper and i9 aren't really for you considering you can get a great 8 cores CPU for as cheap as $310. They're more for people that need quad channel & lots of PCIe lanes, but that will come at a very big cost in both motherboard and CPU.
Current CPUs are good and nothing fresh is coming until next year

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Is it a meme?

>>60822626
Generally speaking there will always be a brand new CPU "just around the corner". If you need a system now then go and buy a system now, if you can wait or cant' afford one now then buy it later.

If you're just going to use photoshop and programs like that then go with a Intel 4 core but if your creative work also includes video editing and rendering or you may want to do that in the future then don't be a corelet and go for that AMD AM4 platform and grab the 1600X or the 1800X depending on what you're willing to pay for it. Oh, one little detail, the 1600X has higher single thread performance than the 1700 so it's actually a better choice if you're going to do a lot of photoshop.

I bought a Zotac 1060 amp 6gb because other 1060s and 580s were out of stock. It hasn't arrived yet. How hot does it run, /g/? Did I dun goof?

>>60822758

Noticed all the Noctua threads and posts that have been appearing on /g/ the last few weeks?

They hired a "viral"/shadow marking company to shill those overpriced ugly-looking fans everywhere.

Don't buy overpriced Noctua fans, you'll be sponsoring / paying for shit-posting on /g/ and other sites if you do.

If we stop buying their products until they stop shitposting and we on /g/ consistently boycott companies with paid shills shitposting for them then this paid shitposting will eventually stop.

I can get a Ryzen 5 1600X for 285 dollarinos.
Should I commit or wait for Zen/Intel memes?

Should I get the 1080 or is AMD gonna release a competitor soon? Is there any advantage of having an amd gpu and amd processor (I'm thinking of getting the R7)?

>>60822830
why go for a 1600X? The 1600 is cheaper, also overclocks, and comes with a decent cooler. It's the best value CPU on the market.

>>60821480
Does anybody else have any suggestions? Is it better to buy a PC in parts if I want a PC with at least a 1600 and 570/580 or just wait for Ryzen 3 and buy a cheapo GPU and upgrade the GPU and CPU later?

>>60822849
Not that guy (I'm >>60822835 ) but is that true for R7 1700 and 1700X as well?

>>60820789
I did too.

>>60822830
>285 dollarinos
Unless those are Australian dollarydoos, that is far above MSRP.

>>60822868
>is that true for R7 1700 and 1700X as well?
The
>cheaper, also overclocks, and comes with a decent cooler
part? Yes, it's also true, all Ryzen CPUs can be overclocked.

What's a good & affordable PCI-e raid controller?

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That feel when I have been using Phenom2 X4 945 for the last decade or so, I'm in for one hell of an upgrade.

But considering my upgrade pattern, I probably won't upgrade to a new CPU until next decade... I suspect.
So I'm sort of tempted to get the R7 8 core, instead of the better value R5 6 core.

What do...

>>60818291
>elif

Fuck off REDDDDIT

>>60822849
The 1600 is $248 , is the extra $37 not worth it for the improvement I'll get?

>>60822888
That price is below average in my country, I'm calculating € to $.

>>60822888
Thanks man, so no real reason to get the R7 1700x I take it.

Any idea if AMD is gonna release a competitor to the 1080 soon and are there any advantages to have an AMD gpu and cpu? This is the one question stopping me from building my pc tomorrow.

I currently have most of the components for a Skylake build, all I need is the RAM, and am planning on buying a 16GB kit for about $150 (AUD), and then could add a new graphics card to it.
I know of a guy on gumtree (Aus' version of craigslist, essentially) that's selling an old LGA1366 system It'd be about $250 for the computer, hopefully upgrading its' CPU to a 6 core Xeon X5650 (+$80), upgrade to 24GB (+$80 from what I already have), and maybe adding a new graphics card.
I'd like to go for one or the other, to try and maximise what I get from it.
Currently out of a job, and have managed to keep aside about $500 from my last pay prior to being fired.
Would anyone mind sparing their opinions on it?
Cheers for reading this mess lads.

>>60822849
>>60822888
>>60822956
I'm confused. Whats the point of the 1600x and 1700x is the standard version can be overclocked?

>>60822918
>I'm calculating € to $.
Oh, that explains it. It's a good price for Europe.
>is the extra $37 not worth it for the improvement I'll get?
If you already have a cooler that you can make fit Ryzen, and/or you don't want to deal with manual overclocking then yes it is.

>>60823037
Better binned, so you're likely to get better voltages and/or frequencies out of them once overclocked. And most people don't overclock anyway, so higher stock clocks aren't exactly irrelevant either.

>>60823012
>Aus' version of craigslist, essentially

Can I find gay prostitutes there? I'm travelling to Aus for business soon. Thanks in advance.

>>60822835
vega got pushed 2 months so you'll have to wait until august to see if its worth the hype

>>60821911
had a hunch those two things were memes

thanks for the advice, went with 2 3200mhz sticks and your monitor, feeling better about it already

>>60823095
I personally haven't checked, but I would imagine you could. There's definitely a bunch of closeted gay lads here.

>>60822791
Any recommendations for a cooler?

>>60823096
Damn thanks for the info. I'll probably pull the trigger on the 1080 then. The main reason I was gonna wait is because I wanted a 1440p 144hz monitor and I don't want to shell out for g-sync.

Can anyone who does graphic design tell me if there is a large benefit to using 1440p, particularity with photoshop (or alternatively scaling issues that make it worse)? If not then I might stick with a 1080p monitor until the price of 1440p (with g-sync) drops.

>>60823142
Thermalright Macho Rev. B or TRUE Spirit Direct/Power, Scythe Mugen 5 or Fuma, BeQuiet if silence is priority, Cryorig H5, etc.
Noctua is great, good performance and quiet, but prices are ridiculous.

Just wait for vega! just wait! People have been saying forever.

First they said specs in may, release in june, release in july and now it's pushed back to august.

Vega might have a higher than the 1080s 180w tdp too, people seem to think so.

I hate nvidia and want to support amd but fuck it I have to buy a 1080.

>>60823440
i'd rather have amd competing more on cpu market than high-end gpu.

Gonna be putting together my generic Ryzen 1600 plus 1060 build tomorrow, my first time.

I was only planning using the 2 fans that come in the case, am I fucking up? It's a Corsair 200r.

Not planning to overclock immediately.

>>60823493
nah it's ok

>>60823493
That's not a lot of heat, you'll be fine.
Fans have diminishing returns anyways, but it's easy to add more later.

>>60823485
Well, me to I suppose. I'm super happy with my ryzen system.

OP you are a triggering the f out of me

Can I ask someone to tailor a rig according to my preference without me looking like a dick? I feel overwhelmed.

>>60823502
>>60823509
Sweet, thanks. Plan was to upgrade them later and oc it.
My current pc is loud as hell so quiet in the new system is a priority.

>>60823646
Oh, you should spend on CPU and GPU cooler primarily then.

And some way to control the fans in your case, but your case probably already has a small fan controller

>>60823664
Was gonna go with the stock 1600 cooler, is it that loud?

And I didn't even know you could use a different cooler for a gpu.

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2 sticks of 16gb ram or 4 sticks of 8gb?
Im buying a ryzen 1600 and a taichi mobo

>>60823760
2x16, AM4 is Dual Channel.
I hope that ASRock has fixed their BIOS, otherwise OC will be a massive pain in the ass with the BCLK deleting all your settings.

What's the best monitor for a 1080/4790k @4,6ghz? Thought about the samsung VA 144hz, because I cannot stand how shit TN is and I edit photos from time to time (tried my friends asus VG248qe the other day and it was horrible compared to my LG 75hz ips).

Anyone here tried the c24fg70? Also the C24fg73 is coming out soon, which supposedly has a better stand, so I might as well wait for that.

Also bought 4 asus MG279Q, all of them had defects (4 of them had dead pixels).

>>60823756
Well it's fine, It wont be super loud but it wont be as quiet as something more high end. Maybe I misunderstood how quiet you wanted it to be.

I didnt mean changing the gpu cooler, I meant getting one that isnt too loud in it's stock config.

>>60823852
Acer x271hu

>>60823852
>i edit photos
Then get IPS. We have some Dells at work, i like them, but i guess that's nothing for gaymen. That Asus seems to be good.

>>60823852
>>60823915
IPS user here. IPS has horrible contrast, and meh saturation. VA panels have good contrast, better saturation and still OK color accuracy.

If you are just editing for fun, you don't need perfect color accuracy at all. People are still gonna view it on their shitty screens.

>>60824040
Isn't VA just some kind of IPS or similar family? Don't really care since i only have TN, but do want IPS/VA/whatever in Q3/4 when Vega/Volta will be available for the mass market.

>>60824127
>Isn't VA just some kind of IPS or similar family?
Not really, it's a separate technology.

>>60824040
I'll be doing some graphic design work form home in photoshop that will be printed out. How significant is the difference between IPS and VA and what are the drawbacks to VA?

I know this is pcbg so its kinda off topic and I'm about to do some googling but getting someones perspective on this would be good. Cheers.

>>60823903
>Acer x271hu

That's the same trash panel as the MG279Q except with a gsync model, i'd rather not attempt the panel lottery again.

>>60824313
>i'd rather not attempt the panel lottery again.

That is why I bought it from a store and tested it on the spot.

XFX RX 580 8GB GTR XXX Edition
or
Sapphire RX 580 8GB Pulse
Both same price

>>60820038
Don't get a Gigabyte motherboard (Asus Prime Plus, any MSI, ASRock Pro4 are all good)
Get a single 1080ti

>>60824599
What's wrong with gb mobos?

>>60824617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrxhf_xZWI

>>60824574
Sapphire makes the best AMD card imo.
Grab them now. Grab them now!

A friend asked for help building a rig for 3d modelling.

I always built computers for friends that just wanted to play vidya, so I'm not sure in what should I focus for this one.

For starters, he linked me a build he chose, with an i7 5xxx and water cooling, something I instantly saw that was plain stupid. From what I know investing on a good GPU depends entirely on the software he plans on using.

So main question, Intel or AMD?

Also, if he's not going to OC, stock cooler should be fine right?

>>60824672
Intel doesn't provide a stock cooler with their unlocked CPUs
Slight OC are fine on AMD's stock cooler but not big ones
For 3D modelling you want more cores so an i7 is obviously stupid

>>60824494

I don't have any stores that have it in stock where I could test it.

>>60824639
oh, is it just for that specific chipset?

>>60824777
B350 is the only chipset if you are doing OC but not crossfire or SLI so it's the one most people buy, so yes.

>>60824658
what makes sapphire cards better? All I want from an RX570 is, besides the performance of a 570, some RGB accent lighting. Looks like the Sapphire RX570 Nitro+ offers that

Whats a good cooler for a r5 1600x? Also motherboard; currently looking at the Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard.

>>60824920
If you aren't doing Crossfire or SLI get a B350 that isn't Gigabyte.
Cryorig H7 is good.

>>60823852
what series is your LG 75Hz IPS?

>>60824913
Better fans and cooler.
Better rep.

>>60824937
>that isn't Gigabyte
How come? and no I'm not planing to SLI (on a 1080ti)

Where do I get thermal paste from ? does it come with the cooler ?

>>60825132
Any pc store and it costs nothing

>>60825132
yes
pre-applied on stock cooler and in tubes with some aftermarket ones

>>60824708
Noted thanks.

So, what I'm going to recommend him is:

Get a decent case, SSD+HDD and PSU for future builds.
Ryzen or wait for new CPUs.
16GB of RAM
Stock cooling, 212 Evo if it gets hot.
Mobo that fits his needs.
GPU depending on the software he uses.

If anyone has suggestions I'm all ears, remember this is a build for 3D modelling.

>>60825233
replace the 212 evo with a Cryorig H7 and it's good

>>60825132
The only time you need thermal paste is to replace your old thermal paste.

>>60825272
Care to elaborate?

I have experience with the 212 Evo and it works great, considering I have no AC and I live in the south of Spain.

>>60818061
Best 1080p 144hz monitor? Curved is ok. Pls respond

>>60825005
Check my replies above, I posted a video explaining.
If you are just going to use 1 GPU at a time then get a B350, Asus Prime Plus B350, and MSI except gaming Pro are the best. I also recomend ASRock Pro4 mATX and ATX versions.

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Man with the worst luck in the world reporting in. To summarize!

>PC won't boot one day
>Rebuild it, and nothing
>Replace PSU, nothing
>Replace Mobo, nothing
>Replace CPU, nothing
>Replace RAM, nothing

Am I cursed? I followed every fucking step in that 31 step thing on tom's hardware I'm certain of it. This video is all that happens.

https://my.mixtape.moe/znocif.mp4

I just want my PC back

>>60825305
H7 is the same price as 212 or a few dollars more expensive but is better than 212 in all aspects in regards to cooling, fan, noise etc. If you have a 212 no need to upgrade but if you are getting a new build always pick a H7.

>>60825508
Shit. Even after you got a new RAM?
Is the video recent or prior?
I feel for you anon.

>>60825550

The video? I took that about 30 or so mins ago

>>60825508
You have a shitty cable/connector or plug, have you tried another PC? Have you tried plugging other things? Try unplugging the videocard to reduce power consumption and check if it boots up

>>60825554
Why is your GPU plugged in?
When troubleshooting boot issue, take everything out of your build and leave
1. The mobo
2. The CPU
3. The RAM
4. The PSU
Remove everything else and disconnect everything you can't remove from your build (HD in the bays/ CD drive etc).

Have you tried that?

I would like to test out how well my GPU, CPU and RAM are functioning still.
This computer has been kicked around and beaten up by crazy ex (that's why she's ex now) and I would like to check which parts I can still use and which I have to replace.
I already replaced the PSU, case and HDDs because they were impossible to salvage.
Any benchmarks you can recommend?
Or are there any other better ways I can check?
Thanks in advance.

>>60825562

I tried 4 different power cables to no avail. Taking out the GPU also didn't change anything

>>60825588
I have tried that. Would corrupted HD's prevent booting though. I mean I still did it, but I had little hope

Pls help
I need a four core, eight threaded CPU for a non-critical 24/7/365 server, but I don't know which option to choose
>Xeon E3-1230 v6 $250
>+ C236 motherboard $210
or
>Ryzen 5 1500X $185
>+ B350 motherboard $100
or
>wait for Denverton ~$400
The Xeon has full ECC support, but the Ryzen doesn't. They both have similar clock speeds, but Squid apparently doesn't work as well in a Ryzen CPU (at least not yet) The Xeon's motherboard is twice the price as the Ryzen board, but it has four ethernet ports and an IPMI port, whereas I need to pay $100 more for a quad-port ethernet PCIe card, negating the Ryzen's cost advantage.

Which has better single-threaded and multithreaded performance in the real world? Which has the lower overall power consumption?

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>>60818106
it's cute and should only be admired

>>60825697
No. You only need 4 hardware to POST. If it is not posting then it is something wrong with those 4 hardware. Have you tried a other power outlet?

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Is it worth it to put this in a custom loop?

>>60825772

I have

>>60825928
So you have a new Mobo, a new CPU, new RAM and PSU aka basically a new build and the damn thing still doesn't boot?

Check you properly grounded your motherboard in your case and nothing is shorted. Inspect your CPU cooler and ensure there is nothing wrong with it.

>>60825965

I took out the motherboard and reseated the standoffs, there's one hole I can't use because there's no standoff spot in the case for it, but that's it.

>>60825913
Not anymore, unless you can get the block second hand cheap.

>>60826032
I am lost anon. Zoodoo magic is preventing your PC from booting.

Did you try the shorting trick i told you to start your PC?

>>60826121

Shorting trick?

>>60826130
Turn on your mobo with a screwdriver by shorting the on/off together because there might be something wrong with your power button

Could someone recommend me good 1080p monitors? Honestly I'm not sure I care about things like 60, 75 or 144hz or IPS / TN screens, etc. I'd just like something good quality and not too expensive. I could spend over 400€ in a monitor but I don't think I'd really care nor enjoy the difference with one that's half the price considering what I do.

My train of thought too is that, if I end up feeling like I should've picked something better I could then use it as a second monitor. If you're wondering, the one I'm currently typing with is a VGA and I want to get rid of it by giving it to a family member. I need something I can plug DVI-D or HDMI to my GPU. Thanks for reading.

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>>60825714
Anyone? Will pay in used JAV whore boobs

>>60826192

Just tried that out, had the same reaction as simply hitting the powet button

>>60826231
https://youtu.be/K0ZQUkuO7FU

>>60826301
Whelp. I have no idea how to help you anymore friend.

>>60826382

Thanks for sticking with me though anon, means a lot.

>>60825714
>The Xeon has full ECC support, but the Ryzen doesn't.
Well, you said it's non-critical, so does that even matter? For whatever it's worth, Ryzen technically does have the ability to support ECC RAM, it just isn't validated for that.

>>60822076
Lian Li masterrace here. The Q11 and Q21 a brilliant. Jonsbo makes the U1+ and UMX which are great. EVGA Hadron is a meme but has has great layout and decent size. Those are my top 5 "towers". Lots of other good ones made by Silverstone or Thermaltake.

>>60826484
Ryzen doesn't restart if the memory has a double-bit error, which could cause hard crashes if it happens. I don't mind restarting the server every 30 days, but it would be annoying to do when the server is located in the basement and has no IPMI to perform that remotely.

Is the Ryzen 1500X more power efficient? I've heard that Kaby Lake-EP uses less power than Skylake-EP despite having higher clock frequencies, but I have no idea if the quad-core Ryzen can compare favorably there.
Same with their thermals, since this is going to be in a 3U chassis with limited airflow sharing the same hot air as the 4U dual Xeon E5-2687W right beneath it.

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How does my build look? Going to reuse my old graphics card and hdd. Compatibility notes check out fine.

>>60826347
Thanks, this looks sweet.

That screen isn't available here but there's another one that seems identical to it : "R241YBMID". Oh though if there's a difference it's that the one I just mentioned is LED, and the one you linked is LCD. I'm clueless about these things - a verdict please?

>>60826431
Good luck anon. I hope you figure it out before e3. Or at least find a nice way to watch e3.

>>60826639
It looks fine, but that GPU is pretty old, even a 1050 should have double the performance for less power consumption and noise

>>60826721

Yeah I was considering a 1050 ti, but the money isn't there for that.

I may upgrade when vega's consumer cards are released and some price drops are out.

I'm also going to go with a 256gb SSD eventually. I'll migrate my windows over.

>>60826720

I'll be able to watch it on my laggy laptop, I won't be able to participate in any chats though without the thing shitting itself. E3 is honestly my favorite time of year, but what can you do.

>>60826584
Ryzen will have better temperatures because intel uses shitty TIM instead of solder. The 1230v6 isn't a low power part, so it'll almost certainly draw more power as well(though I'll admit that I haven't seen any reviews for Xeon E3s, so I wouldn't know for sure).

>>60826768
Intel doesn't use TIM for xeons

>>60826755
You have the shittest luck. There is something preventing it from posting. Oh well. I hope you enjoy e3. See you on /v/ for post conference threads.

>>60826812

I'm hoping it's something simple I can kick myself for, but I've taken apart and put this thing together so many times I can build PC's in under an hour now.

I wish I had another pair of eyes with me, but all my friends into computers are in different states

Alright, pc is assembled and now i have to figure out how the fuck to install windows 7 and make the usb 3.0 ports work with an asrock b350m pro4. Any

>>60826846
Last resort you can always bring it somewhere to get it professionally looked at and fixed.

>>60826914
>Any
yes

https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/125921-how-to-add-drivers-manually-to-a-usb-drive-to-install-windows-7-using-a-usb-3-0-port

good luck, and "enjoy" windows 10

>>60826937

Closest spot is in another borough, and I don't have a car, bringing a whole 30~ pound pc on a train would be difficult/stupid

>>60825658
Anyone please?

>>60826961
Feels bad man. Wish you good luck anon.

>>60825658
>>60826968
Prime95 for CPU. Watch for temps and BSOD.
Furmark for GPU. Watch for temps and BSOD.
Memtest for RAM. Run it minimum 2 pass and if there is no error it is good to go.
Post build so we can have a look.

How long does a first build usually take?

>>60827226
An hour or so.

>>60827006

>prime95

Intel Burn Test is an equally valid test.

>Furmark for GPU

Furmark is just a test of how good your vrm cooling is - it is effectively a power virus.

>>60827357
He wants to test if his GPU is functioning, furmark is the best way to test it. Make sure it runs under heat where GPU are the most prone to display errors or artifacts. That is why I told him to monitor his temps while running furmark.

>>60827006
Thanks a lot, I will post build now.
GTX660 2GB
FX8320 (non-OC)
8GB DDR3 1600mhz (2x4GB)
I will run benchmarks now too

New thread >>60827421

>>60827409
None of those are salvageable unless you are really poor, on a budget and can't afford to upgrade your parts.

>>60827396

Problem is that doesn't stress the core anywhere near as much as it does the power delivery - you can easily slam into the point where the gpu throttles down to stop itself from exploding without stressing the core enough for it to error out. I prefer unigine valley for stress testing a gpus simply because it won't set your vrms on fire.

>>60827436
This is unfortunately the case.

>>60827409
CPU is old
GPU is old
RAM is DDR3 so not supported

Buy a new PC my negro, a Pentium G4560 + 1050 is more than enough to blow that PC out of the water.

>>60827500
I really wish I could.
But unfortunately I can't afford it now, or in the next few months.
I work hard for little money here in the east and have a lot to pay now that I'm alone again.
My ex used to work a little too, light work only, but it helped paying stuff.

>>60820703
Unironically VLC and Firefox. I used to be a Chromeshill too.

I can work on my PC without RAM sticks, right? Seems like something I can insert easily once they come in later.

>>60828143
depends if the cooler is big or not

>>60828149
Just going to be the stock 1600 fan.