So, this gen AMD lost even the budget market, why fuck are they

>>60813458
R3 and APU's aren't even out yet. They will be coming sometime this year.

they didn't release their budget CPU yet.

Can't wait for a 35W 4c/8t.

>>60813529
>>60813533
Will they beat the pentium perfomance for less money?
Where is any proof if that?
Alsonwhat is the fucking point if they come 1 year later

>>60813787
Ryzen+Vega APU > G4560+1050 for the price.

>>60813816
For the price of what?
50€?

>>60813582
What the fuck why was this deleted?

>>60814221
Because it was all-caps shitposting?

>>60814236
This entire thread is shitposting though.

>>60814244
no, its a hard fact.

>>60813458
>AMD lost
>source: my ass

>>60814511
Margins are so slim in the ultra-budget category it's hardly even worth it. AMD will have something out there eventually.

>>60814546
The cheapest ryzen is 140€ and that pentium is 50

>>60813458
>Dual core
>Adequate in 2017
That doesn't even warrant a response. You're right in that AND doesn't have anything in that price segment yet but it shouldn't be too hard for them to top that.

Raven Ridge will complete with the pentium/celeron market, you mongoloid

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>all Intel have left is being the budget brand for poorfags

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>60814616
>complete
Whelp, looks like I'm the mongoloid here

>>60814616
>will
Compete against a pentium from a year ago?

dual cores are for minecraft and overwatch machines, nothing else

So intel is now only good for filthy neets like yourself who play video games in their moms basement all day long?

k

>>60814650
toplel the g4560 actually pwned the 6-8 cores ryzens in most gayms

>>60814660
>>>/v/

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>intelshills relegated to defending the shittiest, cheapest CPU in their entire lineup
>where AMD hasn't even released their competitor yet

>>60814591
Even the cheapest Ryzen doesn't have only 2 cores. That's why it doesn't have the same price. Who is buying a 2 core CPU anymore? Mine has 8.

>>60814660
Even the lowest end Ryzen beats that garbage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbDpMWo7XTk

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>>60813458
You're trying way too hard

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>>60814702
10% moar fps AT BEST for 3x the price TOPLEL

>>60814671
>>>/lgbt/

>>60813787
Easily if they have 4 cores. A dual core CPU in 2017 even with Hyperthreading is KYS tier. If you buy one, it better go into a NAS or HTPC and nothing else. Even NAS is questionable. Because if you need that little performance, you may as well buy some used garbage from craigslist or whatever.

>>60814511
t. PooInteloo

>>60813458
Ryzen 3 is going to kick the shit out of this thing in the same price bracket.

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>>60814950
>Intel can't even win the low-end wars without completely obsoleting their own line of i3's in the process
>They'll still lose when R3's and APU's come out anyway

>>60814619
kek

>>60814619
Add the word dumb. Dumb poorfags. A poorfag buys the CPU they are least likely to need to upgrade soon at the lowest price they can manage because they can't afford to upgrade.

A dumb poorfag buys some Intel dual core garbage and upgrades it 1 year later.

Intel is offically poorfag-tier now

thanks for clarifying OP

>>60813458
>Release APU
>Win
Not so hard.

fuck amd

Ayy

>>60814702
And is 300%

>>60815001
>NAS or HTPC and nothing else

No guarantee that a Dual-core will be able to decode 4k AV1. Unless you want to change your HTPC in the next two years, wouldn't recommend.

>>60815177
OY VEY DELET

>>60815001
>NAS or HTPC and nothing else
I'm m using a fucking pentium d for thar you worthless subhuman

>>60814612
For the people who would buy a Pentium, dual cores more than they're going to need.

>>60815026
Probably not, I'm thinking that it's going to hit the $100 mark, but I don't think there's a chance in hell it's gonna hit the $50 mark. Unless they managed to get a few chips where the Vega GPU portion is fucked and 2 of the cores are fucked I don't think there's going to be something cheaper than that Pentium.

Amd is amd

AMD lost?

Which timeline are you posting from?

>>60813529
>sometime
>will
>might
>could

This is the AMD history

>>60823880
If you haven't noticed AMD is launching new products every month.
Just this month you got Vega and EPYC.

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>>60823880
>10nm
>coffeelake
>new arch
>18 cores

JUST WAIT LMAO

>>60815001
Anon, for fucking $50 g4560 is virtually unbeatable. AMD is not going to sell a quad core at that price point, don't fool yourself.

>>60823947
Who knows, Sempron is just $30

AMD are right now doing something like an Ippo match, they've been getting their shit pushed in for the last ten rounds and all of sudden they've found out that they still had oxygen in their muscles.
Intel just got the first punch of the new oxygen filled punch and it shattered one of their ribs.

I pretty much think Ryzen is a much better offering that most Intel products in the market... However, the G4560 is king on its market. Literally king.

Let's see what APUs can AMD bring to that price bracket. If they manage to pull at least a 4C/4T with Vega iGPU for ~70-90 USD, then they would have totally rekt Intel.

>>60824139
>4C/4T
No SMT? Maybe some dirt cheap 2c/4t really low binned chips for $30

>>60823974

All of the AM1 stock is gone from stores, but I personally have 3 Athlon 5350s and they do a fantastic job

>>60824139
They will have a 2C/4T Athlon X2 for under $50, but I don't know what their 4-core Athlon X4 will be. Anyway, RIP Celeron.

>>60813458
As a 1600X owner I agree. 4560 is just too cheap to beat with its high IPC and high clock speed. Since Ryzen's IPC is lower and can't reach higher clocks all AMD can offer is sth like 3C/6T or 4C/4T to combat 4560 with R3. On top of that those won't even be APUs and probably cost more that f4560. R3 will probably be obsolete.

>>60825607
Honestly Ryzen has way too much CPUs with little difference in between other than price brackets. The only ones that shoud exist are R5 1400, R5 1600, R7 1700 and R7 1800X. Rebranded to make more sense.

>>60825607
G4560 has fucking anemic clockspeeds compared to higher clocked i3/i5/i7. WTF are you smoking?

>>60824064
Ippo (or in this case AMD) felt the palms of Lisa Su, Jim Keller and Raja supporting his back as he fell backwards.

>>60825607
>R3 will probably be obsolete.
It will still have a 2MB larger L3 cache than the APU/Athlons, although that might be a moot point as their quad cores won't suffer from cross-CCX latency. The APUs will allegedly be even more power efficient than the Ryzen quad-cores.

ayymd

When fuck is this shit being released?

I'm waiting for AM1 replacement fucking forever

That shit was perfect, cheap as fuck ITX and cheap as fuck processors

>>60825666
>3.5Ghz G4560 $60
>3.7Ghz i3 6100 $120
>3.9Ghz i3 7100 $120
If 400Mhz is worth double the price and slightly better iGPU

>>60828209
The Core i3 has slightly more instruction sets enabled than the Pentium, but weirdly doesn't have ECC support enabled.

>>60828125
This, I would love to upgrade my AM1 build already

>>60814675
>defending the shittiest, cheapest CPU in their entire lineup

Celerons are cheaper and shittier than Pentiums (and there are non-user-replaceable Atoms, as well).

>>60825607
Raven Ridge. There are 4C/4T SKUs and 4C/8T SKUs which are likely to compete with the Pentiums lower end i3s. Ryzen chips should not be much more expensive than Intel chips, testing is more costly now though because the Intel chip has been around for much longer. Also yields are pretty high so they may be having trouble finding two dead cores in each CCX on a single chip. For gaming I can't find that the difference will be a big deal, probably AMD will be more interested in the OEM market with these chips anyway.

>>60831720
AMD has to disable two perfectly good cores per CCX and then cut down perfectly fine L3$ in order to ship the Ryzen 3s and 1400X. Honestly, it's probably better if they just made a single CCX die like Intel does for their Core i3 and cheaper dual cores.

>>60831777
would you be able to unlock the cores somehow?

>>60831792
No, they are lasered off.

>>60831792
If that was possible, someone would have already unlocked the extra two cores from a 1600 by now. My understanding is that they're cut off by lasers at the factory, but for some reason are still fed power.

>Intel only has poorfag Pentium, 7700k and insane levels of damage control as shoah aka 20th of June approaches
I wonder how depressed people at Intel's data center department are.

>>60831792
No, in the past with phenom and Athlon you could, not anymore, they are removed in the factory.

>>60831777
It seems like Ryzen is cookie cutter design though, everything is based off of dual CCXs. I don't really see why they couldn't come up with two chips to manufacture, one with 1 CCX and one with 2 CCXs. It might be because it's fundamental for 2 CCXs to be present to have a single GMI link or something to do with uncore. It couldn't be L2/MO cache because they should be on each core in the CCX.

>>60832057
One CCX design is reserved for APUs.

>>60832057
>>60832086
Sorry if my newfag is showing but what is a ccx?

>>60831821
>7700K
1080p 144hz w/ 1080 ti is a meme.

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>>60832185
It's 4 cores, and there's two CCX in there, adding up to 8 cores.

>>60832198
No shit. 7700k right now exists in a weird niche.
>>60832185
4 Zen cores and one 8mb slice of L3 form so called Core Complex. Its a basic building element for anything Zen-based.

>>60814690
Cool.

>>60832185
core complex. basically its 4 AMD Zen cores tied together in a 16 way 8MB cache. some chips have the L3 artificially gimped by lasering it off like the 1400.

>>60832086
sounds interesting. i wonder if it will be brought to the desktop

>>60832256
Q1 2018 for desktop AM4 Raven Ridge.

>>60832256
Do gpus usually have L3 caches?

>>60832331
GPUs don't have L3$ at all.

>>60813458
>2 cores 4 threads
What's even the point of the i3 anymore?

>>60832376
i3 are dead, anon.

>>60832376
The future of low end laptops.

>>60832420
ARM or Ryzen Mobile.

>>60832395
There was never a point of i3s or i5s for the past 2+ years.
You were retarded if you ever made any choice other than Pentium, entry level i7, or used Xeon.

>>60832427
>Ryzen-powered cellphones
>intel's thunderbolt open sourcing means we can stick a vega into a fucking cellphone in the near future

>>60832620
>intel's thunderbolt open sourcing
what.

>>60832620
You know that crapple are going to drop PowerVR GPUs? I wonder which designs they'll use then.
>>60832633
Thunderbolt is royalty-free standard starting 2018.
Also AMD has a custom ARM core on the shelf.

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>>60832633
>>60832650
The future makes no sense and it's wonderful. Specially, with the extra pci lanes in ryzen/threadripper/epyc processors we might see TB ports that link directly to them instead of having shit like dp usb3 or whatever so you can stick gpus directly.

>>60832722
I am simply waiting till 20th of June to see shoah raining down upon Intel.

I swear people have been under the effect of the Ryzen fever recently.
Don't get me wrong I do believe Intel is anti-consumers and I'm happy AMD got their shit together to propose good products, ... with that said you guys are already talking as if processors like the i7 are OBSOLETE and anyone not using AT LEAST 6/8 cores absolutely CANNOT do anything on their computer. It's like you people don't have the ability to stand objective no matter which side the wave seems to be turning.

>>60833227
Corelets are obsolete, anon.

>>60833247
Well memed, sir! >>>/reddit/

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>>60833227
You realize you're in a thread started by a troll claiming AMD lost and 2 core 4 thread is still worth buying in 2017, right?

>>60833445
This is same in every threads, every websites, every comment chains. This thread is no exception.

>>60833227
You are obsolete.

I really love this new dynamic where Intel is the poorfag/moarrr coarrr retard brand

>>60833445
for everyday consumer computing a 2 core 4 thread processor is absolutely worth buying, especially if it is under $80 and has on board graphics it makes a sub $300 computer possible

Has any pricing on the APUs leaked?

If they are cheap it could really shake up the laptop and budget build markets.

>>60825666
Compred to Ryzen chips it has a higher clock frequency than most with better IPC. That's what I meant

How to compare IPC between CPUs? Why isn't that brought up more often and shown as data the same way mhz, etc, are?

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>>60835014
Bench the CPUs at the same frequency.

>>60835203
So according to this the R7 1800X has higher IPC than all the other mainstream CPUs? That doesn't seem right at all.

>>60835247
Ryzen can execute more instructions per clock than Intel.

>>60835285
Then why is every sources out there saying the opposite, which is that Intel has much higher IPC than Ryzen?

>>60835308
are you looking at release day sources where AMD had buggy fucked up beta BIOS in their mobos?

>>60835308
Every sources out there doesn't say the opposite. Most sources simply measure stock settings.

Not same clock performances. Ryzen's IPC is pretty high, but its limited by the fact that it can't clock high enough, while Intel can't. So this is why clock/clock isn't too valuable when the competition can't reach clocks as high as intel. However per clock basis, AMD"s Ryzen wins.

AMD is free hardware even if its worse / more expensive you should buy it and support it

>>60835308
Because they're the same people who say Ryzen is bad for gaming.

is there going to be a budget vega
or is it just for high end enthusiasts?

>>60832633
Intel are making Thunderbolt an open standard. No more royalties for it.

>>60833227
>guys are already talking as if processors like the i7 are OBSOLETE
But the i7-6900k and i7-6950X are obsolete.

>>60834727
I doubt they'll be that cheap. Die is almost twice as large as the G4560.
But you may be able to get a CPU that's twice as powerful with a 3x more powerful iGPU than the g4560 for twice the cost. So while not cheaper, better value and on a better platform (AM4)

>>60835379
He's not wrong.
Spent $1100 on 2 7970s and got $45k+ in return from bitcoins. AMD hardware costs negative money.

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>>60835395
Strictly high end. I'm afraid midrange would be stuck on Polaris until 2019.

>>60813458
>why fuck are they still alive?
From a strictly business point of view, because Intel allows them to survive. That's the only reason AMD stills exists as a company. Intel could crush them into dust any time they want

Although avoiding the risks that come with being a total 100% monopoly is worth giving up 0.3% of their market share

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>>60835308
>higher IPC
you don't know what this means

>>60813458
>why fuck are they still alive?
Consoles
People will still buy 290
Mobile market

Its not hard to see why they are still alive

>>60835422
fug, and here I thought because of ryzen mobile has vega they're going to push into the midrange faster
thanks for the info tho

>>60835428
intel is dead

>>60835406
I was mostly referring to i7-2600/2700, i7-4770/4790, i7-6700 and i7-7700... I forgot some, but basically from gen 2 to 7 CPUs.

The gen 2 ones might start feeling a bit old but they're still usable as of now and probably aren't even worth upgrading to Ryzen yet. For Ryzen 2 or whatever Intel is doing next year yeah probably.

>>60835419
>Spent $1100 on 2 7970s and got $45k+ in return from bitcoins
Are you a neet that doesn't pay his electricity?

>>60835563
Was about $250 of electricity, retard who can't into math.

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>>60813458
INTLEL IS FOR POORFAGS AHAHAHAHHAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHH

>>60813458
>So, this gen AMD lost even the budget market
Actually, once Ryzen 3 lands, the G4560 will be the one CPU Intel has of any value until they realize they have to stop trying to fuck people over on price-per-core.

>>60835731
When ryzen 3 lands and its out you will talk about ryzen 4 magical intel kill future, right

>>60836452
>you will talk about ryzen 4 magical intel kill future, right
did you have a meltdown while writing that sentence lol

>>60836452
Ryzen 3 as in the 4c4t version of AMD's current CPUs, which will launch in q3 and will be priced to compete with Intel's i3 line, thus becoming the perfect chip to meet both the insistence by PC gamers that 4c4t is now the bare minimum and 2c4t is no longer viable, as well as the value proposition sought by low-budget builders who have been relying on CPUs in that price range to piece together console-killer builds and other such frivolities.

You idiot.

>>60835459
Gen2 cups are great but gen2 motherboards ain't, chipsets are dying left and right

Why AMDfags NEED to flood Intel threads like they want to convince themselves that they aren't cucks

>>60835395
Vega11 is ~Q1 2018.

>>60835419
Die size is not that related to price, at least in this segment. Both Intel and AMD could charge cents for each chip; each is literally but a mote of sand. I doubt it will be cheaper than the G4560 though, just because of testing for Vega as well as obviously getting a return out of Vega RnD. Every APU SKU for AMD out there appears to be 4C/4T or 4C/8T and a 40% improvement in graphics performance from Bristol Ridge translates roughly to RX460 territory which is bretty good for 35W, at least in the laptop scene. Probably a bit ahead of the Iris Pros which are in 28W laptop parts but considering the extra cores and SMT on the APUs it should readily give AMD some breathing room in the laptop zone.

>>60837641
German pls

>>60835428
>Intel could crush them into dust any time they want
by inefficiently gluing together moar coars with bingbus™?

>>60837858
Yes. Add more bingbus.

>>60833954
Most people on here who are fine with officelady tier CPU are still on core2quads.

>>60837641
lol. They cost a few dollars, not cents.
AMD wants good profit margins too.

>>60834986
IPC on Ryzen and Kaby are pretty much even, and even with higher clocks the G4560 doesn't have any real single core speed advantage over even the lowest end Ryzen.

>>60835428
>m-muh secret sauce!
>intel totally has some amazing tech in the backroom ready to destroy those AMDummies!
>my uncle works at nintendo!

>>60836999
This isn't an Intel thread, it's an "lol AMD lost again propped up by retard fanboys" thread. Kill yourself.

>>60814619
And they'll have to compete with Qualcom for that place soon.

>>60837955
>strictly from a business point of view
Intel could up their offerings a bit and drastically drop the price on their processors to the point AMD goes bankrupt

fear of antitrust laws is the only thing that stops them. thats objectively true fanboi

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>>60838080
>they could totally do this one thing that's illegal and win!
They could do a lot of illegal things and win. In fact they already did plenty.

>>60838080
The moment Intle drops their 60% margins is the moment investors go full panic mode. No, Intel can't make anything cheap.

>>60825655
Eh, 1400/1500x difference at least makes sense, since 1400 has half as much L3 cache. 1600x and 1700x are for getting more money from idiots, which I'm personally fine with.

>>60835308
Because it isn't as simple as that. Ryzen has better IPC for certain tasks while Skylake has better IPC for other tasks.

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>>60813458
You as a consumer should be happy Intel is "rivaled" to keep the prices/performance good. so stfu fuqboi

>>60821427
They will release perfect dies with lasered off parts
I don't know if they weren't expecting such good yields, the Zeppelin dies it's doing 80% perfect yields, the smaller APUs are obviously going to so even better