/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Anyone got any deals on HDDs? Looking for WD Reds for my server. 6TB or 8TB.

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Looking to get a new monitor, i currently have a asa 23.9 inch ips one. Its alright but im feeling its too small, I like the way ips looks though, but theres so many options right now. Im looking to spend around $200 but $350 tops i dont mind deviating from that though. Looking to get a large monitor, not sure if i should get 27 inches or higher.

I dont game, i use it for graphics art as a hobby (so no $10k monitors for accuracy colour 1 billion colours) and for watching anime. Firstly, is freesync useful to me? i have an amd card but idk if its a useful feature outside of gaming.

Im considering a Acer G277HL 27" Full HD 4MS IPS LED Monitor because its so damn cheap ($220) for the size and ips, but then how good will the panel be? I know at that size you want to go into 2k territory. Should I go for a large 4k maybe? help please

>>60790629
and forgot to say if i didnt, australia

>>60790596
get blues and disable thaat one feature then you have reds. Barracuda server drives seem like a better choice though

>>60788319
212 Evo is not an upgrade.
It's virtually identical noise at 95W TDP to the Wraith Spire. It only cools better above that by making a stupid amount of noise.

>>60789919
It's $25 of savings. It says right there. That's like 6%.

>>60790090
Bullshit. Non-Fiji GCN don't shit themselves when something needs more VRAM like Nvidia cards. Tons of people are still using 3GB 7970s and 2GB 7870s fine in games that use 4.5GB or 3GB of VRAM respectively.
A card that weak won't make use of settings that put it at 4GB.
I'd say $90 is too much for a 2GB RX560, though. That should be like a $70 card.

I can't believe how many of you fucks have no fucking clue how VRAM and varying GPU architectures work and you spout the same bullshit misinformation every single fucking day.

>>60790647
>disable thaat one feature then you have reds
whaddaya mean, anon?

>>60790693
well reds are meant to spin non stop to reduce wear and increase life, i cant remember what its called. reds are a jew move by wd.

>>60790724
what about blacks? are they worth the premium?

still looking for a case for my dual-mainboard machine.
any ideas?

>>60789919
Fuck I just bought the Tomahawk and Ryzen 5 too, it's not fair.

>>60790742
i have a black and two blues. The black runs loud but its faster. It has a longer warranty and is better binned. Get the blues if you have to choose wd, get the barracuda if you have any choice

>>60790767
did seagate improve their reliability recently? I got a 3TB barracuda about 4 years ago and it's about to self-destruct now according to smart.

Known shills to be careful of

>Crucial MX300
He'll claim the performance is exactly the same every post, however it's not, nor is crucial a reliable brand

>intel shill, mainly 7700k
mainly memers at this point but some are still blind, be vigilant. Often claim infinitely better gaming performance but in reality its often the exact same, only performs better in games optimised for intel.


Add to the list any you're aware of

>>60790814
the 3tb was the one seagate drive that ruined its rep. It was faulty because of floods, not because it was an actually shit drive, but they were retards for shipping it

>>60790753
If it makes you feel better, I got a 1600X, power supply, 2x16GB of RAM, pro 4 motherboard, and a CPU cooler for ~$450. 5 things and better things (except the motherboard) for about the same as those 3 things

>>60790815
>t. samsung shill

>>60790815
MX300 has the same 4.8 star rating on Amazon as the Samsung 850 Evo.
If it wasn't reliable, it would not have that rating.

>>60790853
how do hitachi or toshiba drives compare? I'm looking at the toshiba x300 6tb right now. are they any good?

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sup /g/, I'm thinking of building a pc.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dxDRXH

I started with an 1070 but changed that later to a 580 since I'm using a 1080p monitor and 1070 would be a bit overkill for that.
And since the mining industry put 470/480/570/580 out of stock; I'm planning to go with a 1060.

Is this build good, what would you improve keeping the $900 budget in mind?

Best sub 150 case on the market for silence and airflow ?

>>60791062
hitachi is or was the best, toshiba is alright too. Just get whichever is cheapest and not shit

>>60790569
>Inject SMAA with RX cards
How to?

>>60790569
What's colder? Blue or white?

>>60791178
purple

>>60791164
Google

>>60791178
white since its reflecting more wavelengths

>>60790815
There is one guy who shills Pentium and likes to downplay amd like crazy.

> you don't need that many cores unless your a faggot/YouTuber/pirate/whatever
> you don't need 64 pci lanes anyway
> you need special unoptanium ram for ryzen, Intel just werks
>amd crashes constantly and the benchmarks are lying
> Pentium is enough for most games anyway don't buy ryzen
> who cares about hedt people and business interests

He's a legit confirmed shill on Intel's payroll, pay heed to his bullshit. You'll know him when you see him.

Is the Wraith Spire as good as, say, the CM 212 Evo?

I know they're for completely different CPUs, but I'd like to get a general idea of the Wraith's ability.

>>60791221
Hell no.

It's ok but you won't be doing any serious overclocking with it.

I hit 86 celcius with a 1.3 vcore today in 5 minutes running small fftS, it is not good for anything but stock speeds.

Soon as my h7 bracket comes in it's getting replaced.

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>>60791221
>wraith spire
>CPU
They're close enough that the 212 EVO isn't worth the money

>>60791221
At fan speed to cool 95W TDP, yes. Beyond that the 212 Evo gets loud.
This was already fucking explained a few posts back ctrl+f.

>>60791221
The 212 is miles better. Tests have already been done and the 212 is like 20/30C cooler. When the spire is hitting 80C the 212 will be 50/60.

>>60791301
<citation needed>
http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/amd/wraith-max-and-wraith-spire-cooler/2

>>60791298
>212
>loud

No. I have one and it's really quiet even at 100% speed. I actually thought my fan was broken because I couldn't hear it over my 4 case fans when I was making a custom fan curve in bios

>>60790569
>>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580
last thing i read stated the newer 1060+ models with faster memory close this gap.
true or not?

>>60791338
The 6gb models are closer in performance to a 570, which is cheaper... if you can find one at retail.

Is AM4 a good upgrade path if I want to keep using the same motherboard for a couple years?
Earlier this year AMD claimed they will support the socket for their future CPUs but I haven't heard the latest rumors

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>>60791328
https://youtu.be/VNjkDoYZYjU

>>60791354
Supposedly they'll stay with AM4 until 2020, at which point we'll probably be looking for next gen RAM anyway.

>>60791329
>>60791301
fugg looks like theres a 212 shill now. I have one, its loud as fuck, especially near 100%

>>60791329
No, you're just deaf.
At 100% fan speed the 212 Evo is loud.

>>60791363
No noise there.
And obviously no one recommends 4GHz on the stock one. 3.75-3.85 is usually good.
And if someone is overclocking to 4GHz, at least a Cryorig H7 or similar is recommended which cools just as well, or slightly better, at far lower noise.

>>60791345
problem is I want a quiet PC for once which rules out Radeon.

>>60791402
no it doesn't. it means you buy a different case dumbass. Like the be quiet! Dark Base 900

>>60791375
It's likely that AM4+ will come in 2019 or 2020 with the new CPUs compatible on either socket, but able to run DDR5 on AM4+ and maybe some other new features.
Same as how AM3 and AM3+ was, with AM3 technically supported for over 8 years.

>>60791402
Radeon Chill keeps things quiet.
My 7970 has always been quiet since I have an Artic Accelero on it, even when I ran it at 300+ watts and 1325MHz.

>>60791375
>>60791417
Thanks for the input, looks like that hasn't changed then.
I have to make a choice between a good MB and a cheap one so the socket support is kind of a big deal in case I want to upgrade the CPU later on

>>60791395
Nope. It's quiet. All my 4 case fans and my gpu are all louder than my processor. I can't even hear it under full load on my old heavily oc i5.

>>60791084
I like it.

What are the good SSD manufacturers

>>60791345
Are you high? The gtx 1060 is currently faster than the 480 and within 1% of a 580 give or take. The fucking gimped 3gb 1060 is faster than the 570, with outliers removed.

>>60791402
>which rules out Radeon.
no it doesn't.

>>60791439
samsung and kingston

>>60791450
>a 480 is somehow a 570

>>60791493
1060 6gb* is currently..

>he can't refute my points
>he's pathetic enough to spread misinformation in a thread made to help people, out of brand loyalty

End yourself

>>60791535
who are you quoting

>>60791535
>implying brand loyalty
found the Intel shill
My money goes to the best product for the money. Competition is good for the consumer.

>>60791136
Toshiba and HGST are the same thing now. But I agree on getting whichever is cheapest

Any one got on clues for this please.

>Built new AMD machine
>Will turn it's self off during GPU load.
>Have to unplug it and replug it to turn it back on
>Some times it just reboots instead
>Runs like a dream then suddenly drops when playing games or doing a GPU test

I've replaced literally everything but the hard drive and the case. I did a full windows 10 reinstall and I'm out of ideas at this point.

I'm considering picking up a small cheap HD to try to see if that fixes. But wondering if any one might have a clue. I've taken it to a repair shop and they couldn't find any problems with it or a way to resolve the crash.

>>60791620
I should add that heat isn't a problem, it's never going above 65 on anything. Power supply is fine.

>>60791565
>retard says rx 570 is comparable to a 1060 6gb in general gaming
>all evidence shows otherwise with the 1060 6gb being comparable to a 580
>retard gets called out for his obvious fanboyism
>retard starts calling someone who owns a r5 1600 an Intel shill when the topic isn't even about cpu's

I too only buy what's best for the money I pay hence why I have a 1600 and 1070. Call me a shill all you want but you're a fucking retard, and the real shill here.

What mid tower case would you recommend for good cable management?

>>60791620
You're saying you've swapped out the GPU and PSU and the problem persists?

>>60791602
basically why i said was, hitachi is wd and idk about toshiba if theyre still toshiba owned

>>60791659
I've swapped literally everything but the case and the hard drive. Different model GPUs, one which used to work fine in my old machine. Same with PSUs.

>intel 6700k
>enzotech extreme-x rev. a w/ 1156 mounting bracket
>4x 16gb crucial ddr4 ballistix
>asus sabertooth mark 1 z170

too lazy to type the rest

>>60791620
Was the repair shop able to replicate the crash?

>>60791703
Yes.

Updating the motherboard bios made it take longer to trigger but it still triggered. That's why I replaced it.

>>60791620
What do you mean by "gpu test"?

It might be your processor is overheating because it's known that most temperature readout programs have problems with ryzen with some giving way higher temps and some giving too low. The gaming reboot might not actually be gpu related but might be your processor ramping up and overheating. It's a long shot but it's worth checking out. Go into bios and set your cpu fan to 100% and try the games again and if it doesn't reboot or crash then you've find the issue.

Another long shot might be a ram issue. Try prime95 ram stress test or memtest (a bit more complicated as you have to run multiple instances).

Also if you have anything overclocked try reverting back to stock and overclocking each thing again one by one and testing it because something might be causing system stability which results in the pc shutting down to prevent any hardware breaking. It does sound like a psu problem though in all honestly. Make sure the connectors are properly plugged in and you're not using some shitty retarded molex to 6pin adapter or something.

>>60791084
Why not swap for the R5 1400 and putting that money into a 1070? Games are going to demand more and more in the future from your GPU? Up to you but that is what I would do if I had your budget.

>> MUH CORSAIR RAM
Swap to Team Elite and save a few dollars. Its RAM, it either works or it doesn't.

PSU is excellent, I personally prefer EVGA PSUS but SeaSonic is absolutely no slouch.

Motherboard is a bit iffy, I have built with it and the missing screw holes on the right means plenty of board flex if you need to remove and replug your ATX connector. I would swap to something else. If you aren't overclocking the MSI A320M Bazooka seems to be good for the price.

All up to you though.

>>60791749
Tried a few different GPU stress tests. Heaven, furmark and I can't recall the others.

I'll give the fan thing a try in a bit, it takes like an hour for it to cut in, where as it used to take about 15 minutes. I thought it might be CPU based so I switched that.

Nothing is overclocked, it's all stock. I've used two different PSUs, one I know is 100% functional as I used it for several years and never had an issue. No shitty adapters, everything is properly plugged in.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZkTy2R
Best build i think, for gaming and streaming

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>>60791801
this isn't funny

>>60791801
>gaming and streaming
>an i5
>spending more on RAM than CPU

You're joking, right?

>>60791439
Samsung, kingston

And some crucial and sadisk models aswell.
Look for the spec sheet and customer reviews

>>60791791
So your pc just turns off when running those tests?

Are you sure it's turning completely off or is it just black screening?

I had a gpu problem once where my card was faulty and wouldn't hold it's factory oc and it used to black screen. I'd have to actually turn my whole pc off and on again to get it working because pressing the mobo restart button would do nothing because the gpu had fucked itself somehow.

I'd highly recommend trying the memory test just to make sure it's not that, btw.

>>60791645
>mixing up the 400 series and the 500 series
they are not identical anon.

>>60791866
Done memory tests and tried 2 sets of RAM.

It takes a while but yes, I used to be able to make it happen in 12 minutes but updating the motherboard bios makes it take 60-90 now.

At first it just died with a black screen and a beep. Now it just dies, the mother board LEDs stay on but everything else is just dead. Black monitors.

>>60791414
>>60791459
>60-80w more power drain under load
>radeon isnt dead in the noise department
wew

What 120mm case fans do people recommend these days? Last ones I bought were $20 silverstone ones that still work after 7 years, but have to be at pretty much max RPM or they click nowadays.

>>60791779

>>Why not swap for the R5 1400 and putting that money into a 1070?
I'm building this pc with compiling being the priority. But if I were building this for gaming mainly; yeah, I'd probably swap that.

>Swap to Team Elite and save a few dollars. Its RAM, it either works or it doesn't.
I'm going to check my options, maybe it'll help me to fix the price lower.

>>PSU is excellent, I personally prefer EVGA PSUS but SeaSonic is absolutely no slouch.
Sadly, SeaSonic does not ship to where I live, neither does Newegg. I'm afraid I might go with Corsair CS 550, I'm open for other suggestions.

I haven't give much thought to mobo, so I'll check and compare these two.

>>60791909
>power draw is somehow directly correlated to noise
it isn't anon.

>>60791948
silverstone

>>60791950
Good to see you have put in more thought than most. That PC you specced should be a winner then.

Shame you can't get SeaSonic where you live Corsair PSU should be fine but it isn't as top teir as SeaSonic. Maybe try a local PC shop? Most will get the parts for you and a good one won't charge you a stupid premium for the privilege.

>>60791955
>power draw is not correlated to heat
>heat is not correlated to cooling
>cooling is not correlated to noise
hmmm

>>60792036
corsair when they started selling psus were seasonics

>>60791904
Might be a gpu clock issue or simply a case of a faulty bios update. Try downclocking your gpu if the other tests fail.

Might also simply be a faulty mobo

>>60791948
depends.
3 pin or 4 pin?

>>60791801
The level of stupid shown here... Lets stream at 480p at 30fps and STILL get frame drops.

I don't know whether to rage or cry.

>>60792070
It can't be faulty mobo as I replaced it. I've used 2 different mobos on 2 different bios.

>>60792045
you know absolutely nothing.

>>60791948
Noctua or Phanteks

>>60792089
What gpu is it? Have you also replaced it?
Based on what you've said, testing the cpu with 100% fan or downclocking the gpu back to stock speeds and hoping it's one of those is your best bet.

>>60792096
might want to point out the flaw in my flawless logic instead of replying with empty phrases like you got nothing to say.

>>60792064
Yeah but they have switched in recent years to lower tier PSU manufacturers, especially in their cheaper models. I believe their top of the line models are still SeaSonics.

>>60792155
i just get seasonics, but i still have a hx520 that still works

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kgRPWX
Build for gaming and music production.
I don't really play modern AAA titles, mostly strats, Sims, and the occasional rpg.
Would it be a terrible idea to get a 1050 ti and bump up to the Ryzen 1700?

>>60792233
tell me about your prod setup so i can recc better

>>60791801
Stop.

Get Ryzen 5. Either the 1500X or the 1600.

16GB of >2800MHz RAM

I'd personally go with 250GB SSD to save some bucks.

Also, isn't your PSU very expensive? You could be fine with a 550W one, and that case has grrat cable management, so maybe a semi modular can be cheaper?

The stock cooler should be enough for medium OC, the cooler you picked is way overkill, get something decent for $60 if you want to do some respectable OC, then again is your money, if you want that fancy AIO go for it. Just don't spend a dispropportionate amount... like paying more for RAM than for the CPU.

>>60792247
Nothing serious, I just record preproduction tracks to send off to the mixer and mess around with my own mixes. I use a Focusrite interface with Reaper and some vst plug-ins for drums and guitar tone. Probably upgrade to 32gb of ram in the future.

>>60791948
Corsair makes some nice ones, and sometimes they come in bundles.
Just be sure to get the right model for the need, AirFlow or StaticPressure.

if i could find an am4 mounting bracket that'd work with an enzotech extreme-x rev. a cooler, i'd get ryzen

>>60792130
I've used 2 different GPU models.

It's not overclocked.

>>60792284
right, well since youre only recording it should be fine. gpu seems like a bad choice though, id go for a cheaper one. If youre using any actual vsts youll wanna go for a 1700 for that octa core (think diva for example and stuff like seahorse and giant use 8 cores iirc).

>>60792323
Do they not have factory overclocks?

If the problem occurs with both gpu's even after they're swapped what made you think it was a gpu related problem?

>>60792141
heating more doesn't mean inability for the coolers to be quiet.

>>60792293
>i'm gonna get worse hardware because my cooler's brand can't even be arsed to make a bracket for a popular socket

>>60792357
It only happens when the gpu is in use. I can use it as a facebook machine all day and zero issues.

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>>60792036
>SeaSonic
I have checked if there is "any" psu made by Seasonic at nearby shops and this is what I have found:

>>SEASONIC S12II-620 80+Bronze 620W Power Supply SEA-S12II-620
keks aside, it looks like Fully-modular and that is a bit excessive for me.

Also, Amazon ships EVGA 500 BQ, 80+ BRONZE 500W to where I live.
But since it's bronze, I have some thoughts about it.
https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-BRONZE-Modular-Warranty-110-BQ-0500-K1/dp/B01N3OAFHD/

>>60792391
that's because they don't make anything at all anymore. went out of business because everyone back in those days fell for the tuniq tower hype

i fell for it too, got a brand new tuniq tower never used sitting in a closet lol

>>60792411
That isn't a gpu issue. If it's happening with 2 different gpu then it isn't a gpu problem directly. The obvious answer would be the psu can't provide enough power to the gpu under load but you're saying it's also happening with 2 different psu so I'm at a loss.

>>60792419
Johnny Guru gave the 520 Watter of the SeaSonic a 9.7 so I would be jumping at that SeaSonic over the EVGA one. That looks like a fantastic PSU... 2003 box art aside.

>>60792506
Right. I'm at a loss as well.#

I'm trying the fan thing now.

I am from Malaysia and please dont hurt me. I have some stupid questions on PC.

1) Considering i dont pursue 60FPS and full quality gaming, is video card a must? My most graphic require game would be Skyrim and GTA V and maybe japan hentai simulation.

2) AMD APUs, are they good enough compare with some older video card like GT730 NVDIA?

3) For normal HDD, is external last longer than internal as it is not run/spin all the time?

tq

>>60792293
Why don't you just do the ziptie method and run zipties through your cooler and mobo to secure it down

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Currently building the first system by my own and got some problems with the I/O shield of the motherboard. The shield at the top of the usb port is sliding in the usb port and makes it diffcult to move the motherboard into the shield inside the case, is this normal and should I do it with force or should I bend it a bit so that the metal is on the top of the port ? Picture include

>>60792557
>> is video card a must?
Yes, some games will not run without one. GTA 5 requires at least a 1GB card, bare minimum would be a GTX 1050.

>> AMD APUs
Good luck finding a decent board to go with them and seeing as you want to GTA 5 you are better off with a Pentium at the dollars you want to spend.

>>For normal HDD
Internals are generally better as they are designed to be flogged constantly. The externals spin slower and will take longer to load. Also some of the power bricks they come with don't throw out clean voltages. Stick to 1TB drives if you can.

>>60792557
you can get away with an AMD A-series APU. I've played Skyrim on an A10-7870K and it was fine. but now is not a good time to buy an APU because much better APUs based on a new processor generation will be introduced in the coming months. not sure if Intel integrated graphics can manage Skyrim/GTA V.

>>60792620
>not sure if Intel integrated graphics can manage Skyrim/GTA V.
nope

>>60792557
HI Malaysia fag
Why don't you go to lowyat forum?
Or to v

Guys is Intel stock cooler is a meme or do I have to spend dough for third party cpu cooler? If so which one is the cheapest yet reliable?

>>60792620
>>60792641
http://www.pvladov.com/2013/05/intel-hd-graphics-faq.html#intel-hd-version

Comment pls, as a poorfag i am deeply bias by above.

>>60792648
Lowyat are all sellers and always push for video card.

>>60792672
The stock is fine if you don't overclock. It does run a bit hotter than I would like. If you are looking for a decent air cooler that is pretty cheap then the CM Hyper 212X is OK.

>>60792694
>> Lowyat are all sellers and always push for video card.

Because you need a card for GTA 5. Build with APU and see how far you get. Try 15-20fps with an A10 7870K

>>60792572
fuck that. as soon as there's a itx board for ryzen and a low profile cooler for it, i'll jump on the ryzen train

>>60792736
20FPS unplayable? I can play in lower quality and turn off other features like shadow and whatnot

>>60792506
Changing the fan speed seems to have made it much much worse. I'm going to give it a while and try it again but I've had 2 crashes within 5 minutes with top fan speed and then again when I set it back to standard.

Going to give it an hour then try and see what happens.

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If I want to do nothing but play vidya and watch twitch streams, should I pick up the 1700x or the 7700k? I read the 7700k was a little better on framerates, but not frametimes, and ran hotter. Also, is the 1700x a pain to deal with as far as RAM timings go?

I honestly can't tell what's shilling and what's anons giving their honest opinion, could use help, am not that smart.

>>60792706
How about cryorig? Is it good? Any experience?

A10 7870K

Its Radeon R7 is equivalent to what?

>>60792757

Then buy a used PS3 and play skyrim or GTA on that.

You are obviously trying to convince yourself that an APU is the best thing for you seeing as you aren't listening to our advice.

Go get the APU and have fun convincing yourself every day you made the right decision when you can't crack 20fps with everything on worse than xbox 360 quality.

>>60792825
There is none: Ryzen CPUs are all much more powerful, and none of them so far include an iGPU

>>60792843
Dont be mad. I know i am bias.
So you are saying intel core and video card are highly recommend, pls give some example.

>>60792807

I've only ever played with Noctura and Coolermaster. Cryorig should be OK if the price is right.

Ultimately you are buying a chunk of metal, not much to go wrong there, unless you are a spazz and forget to thermal compound.

>>60792867
logicalincrements.com set to your country and match the pc to the price you want to spend. Like I said up above, you should be aiming for a GTX1050 as a minimum.

>>60792867
Dude look at the op
There's tons of valuable info
Research it and compare


Also which is good overclock mobo? Gigabytes or Asus?

>>60792788
Both are fine. What is your GPU? 7700k for 1440 and up gaming and dependent on what GPU you are going to get.

>>60792788
what your heard is pretty much on point, except for the pain with ram timings (that's dependent on motherboard)
But for simple vidya & twitch stream, you won't benefit at all from the 1700x or 7700k. An R5 1600 is plentiful already for those

>>60792870
Is there any temp difference between using stock and custom cpu cooler?

>>60792913
depends on the cooler in question.
Almost anything is better than a stock Intel cooler, but AMD coolers are actually pretty decent

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>>60792895
I have a GTX 1080 that I'll be putting into my new build, will eventually be getting a 1440p monitor, on a 1080@144hz for dumb e-sports stuff currently. I'm sure it's overkill to not just pick up an R5, but I'm finally in a spot to buy my "dream" computer, so I wanted to pick it up regardless.
>>60792903
Is dealing with the RAM easy? I kept hearing horror stories about the RAM not being anywhere close to its advertised clockspeed, and how much Ryzen benefits in general from having it. It's always been plug and forget with my old rig (I'm pretty sure I have the cheapest possible DDR3 1x8GB stick in my PC currently) and so I don't know a lot about it.

>>60792913

Good tower coolers will generally drop your temps by up to 20 degrees compared to the stock cooler under load. Keep in mind that CPUs can be quite happy at 70 degrees under load on the stock cooler.

To simplify: If you are overclocking get a better cooler. If you aren't, keep the stock cooler and spend the extra $50-$100 on something else.

>>60792971
The update to improve RAM overclocking has been released for a good amount of board. Every single Gigabyte board has it, some Asus MSI & Asrock ones have it, and the rest should most likely come out this month.

So, integrated GPU is useless for AAA games?

>>60792971
Ryzen still has issues with single core performance with regards to games. That might get better in the future but at the moment with a 1080, you will get better frames with 7700k. Also pay the extra for the TI version. It is worth it.

>>60792994
absolutely
Some old AMD APUs can handle AAAs game at low quality but that's about it.

>>60792994
Integrated GPU is trash for everything except gutter trash games at low setting like LoL.

>>60792994
Yes, at least until the Raven Ridge APUs come out. Then you might be able to play them at low or medium settings. Maybe.

>>60792327
The 1060 or 1050 ti is a bad choice? What would you recommend?

>>60792867
>>60792888

To add to my previous statement. You aren't biased as much as you are blind to alternatives. A GTX1050 (Non Ti) will hit 70fps on Very High settings in GTA 5.

>>60793022
1060 or 1050 ti is absolutely fine. Alot of anons recommend the 580 over those 2 however given the current situation of 580, you are forced to buy Nvidia and the 1070 isn't worth the money.

One more question pls,

dual core or quad core or even plentium if mostly gaming and basic office work? Some said quad core can help in game with alot of unit/AI.

>>60793025
GPU coding make my head spin. The mentioned GTX1050 seem very worth it as i though it was around 200+USD but is actually half of it. I am bias because the iGPU seem like a waste if not utilized, just saying.

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>>60792992
Oh, so it's not that big a deal anymore? I've never had to update a BIOS before, if that ends up necessary - I'm sure I could figure it out, just something I have no experience with.
>>60792999
The videos I saw of comparison didn't seem that bad, with a higher frametime for the Ryzen chip even if the framerates were slightly lower. Isn't it only supposed to be ~10% with only a few titles struggling more than that?

I know I'm clearly siding with one chip, I just really don't want to get a chip that hot on a socket that won't go anywhere if I can avoid it. If it's strictly better I'll still get it, though.

>>60793071
>> pentium if mostly gaming and basic office work?

Buy whatever your budget allows while still keeping the GTX1050, Pentium is fine for your needs. Hell the Pentium is fine with a GTX1060.

>>60793082
Both CPU will do fine desu but you want MAXIMUM FRAMES then 7700k. But if you don't really care and think highest setting at a playable FPS is fine, then the Ryzen will do as well.

>>60793071
>dual core or quad core or even plentium if mostly gaming and basic office work? Some said quad core can help in game with alot of unit/AI.
The g4560 is very good for the price and it's certainly good enough for (most) games to be playable, but if you can afford it, I'd still recommend 1400 or 1500x over it.

>>60793082
>I've never had to update a BIOS before, if that ends up necessary
AM4 is a 3 months old platform and all the bios updates gave us a lot of improvements when compared to launch, so much that launch benchmarks aren't considered relevant anymore
It's not necessary, but it's definitely much better

>The videos I saw of comparison didn't seem that bad, with a higher frametime for the Ryzen chip even if the framerates were slightly lower. Isn't it only supposed to be ~10% with only a few titles struggling more than that?

That's generally what it is, mostly along the lines of 15% difference. The 7700k will indeed manage to stay around 144hz much better than the 1700 will, but that's in AAA games though. In E-Sports games, pretty much any $180+ CPU can do it.

>>60793166
erm, what are the games that g4560 cannot handle?

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>>60793177
>definitely much better
Thanks for letting me know, is it easy to do? I've only built two computers in the past, so I'd be anxious about bricking something when updating.
>15% difference
I don't think that would bother me too much, especially for the time spent on 1080p. Being able to upgrade my CPU without scrapping most of my rig 3-4 years down the road sounds kind of nice. I'd considered having the 7700k "profesionally" delidded, but that's an extra cost and time to consider.
Honestly, if I'm able to get close to 144hz on 1080p and 110-120+ on AAA titles with a GTX 1080 on 1440p I'd be fine, even if I have to turn down some "overkill" settings.
>>60793136
Thanks anon

>>60793305
Remember to upgrade your Bios if you do get Ryzen since launch day benchmarks for Ryzen at 1080p is absolutely garbage.

Also shell out the extra for the TI. Seriously. It is worth it.

>>60793329
>Also shell out the extra for the TI. Seriously. It is worth it.
I picked up the G1 Gaming for $360 due to a pricing error, I don't think I'm going to be able to beat that with any 1080ti for a long time, but thanks for the suggestion

I'll make sure to look up how to update a BIOS then

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>>60793305
>is it easy to do?
Absolutely! Just get the bios file on the motherboard's page, put it on a USB / storage, go in the bios, find the option to update the bios and locate the file you had previously downloaded
Then it'll update the bios, taking 3 - 4 minutes to complete it, and reboot
It's very important that the computer does not turn off no matter how long it takes though

I'm newfag but I will ask around here anyway.

So I have the budget to buy either top Ryzen or I7-7700k, mainly, I'll need high FPS in games but also an ability to stream some stuff here and there.

Ryzen, is good for workload, but pretty bad in single-core perfomance, while Intel is good, but lacks that workload perfomance to keep it up with Ryzen.

Most game won't use more of 4 cores anyway, so why bother?

Any suggestions?

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>>60793354
Thanks anon, I appreciate all the advice

>>60793480
Get what you want. Provided you are not GPU bottlenecked, it hardly matters.

>>60793480
If you read the thread before you posted you would see there is a discussion already going on about that.

>> Most game won't use more of 4 cores anyway, so why bother?

So why bother posting?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/63BVQV

How's my build look?

>>60793480
Ryen is not "bad" at single core performance it's just not as good as an i5/i7 at near 5GHz because of the clock advantage.
Of you intend to do anything beyond gaming the ryzen is the obvious choice, but even then 4 cores is barley enough. There were claims that the Intel parts stutter a lot more since they peak at CPU usage.
And even if most games from this decade don't utilize cores well, doesn't mean it will keep that way. Consoles being 8 core and AMD bringing strong 6 and 8 core CPUs to the mainstream will change that.

>>60793480
>Most game won't use more of 4 cores anyway, so why bother?
Streaming uses the rest of the available cores.

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>>60793480
>pretty bad in single-core perfomance
wrong

>Most game won't use more of 4 cores anyway,
also wrong

The R7 1700 isn't a xeon clocked at 2GHz with 20 cores. It's clocked at 3.0 to 3.7GHz and has very close IPC to kaby-lake, the reason the 7700k outperforms it in games is because it's clocked 4.2 to 4.5GHz which is very big.

The 1700 does indeed obliterate the 7700k during streaming. The 7700k does have higher FPS, why exactly do you need it though? In AAA, the R7 1700 usually reachs 120 - 130FPS (on 2666MHz RAM). In the game it does, the 7700k would reach around 145 - 150 FPS. Do you understand how small that is, frametimes wise? Unless you have a 144hz screen?

You can always get 3200MHz RAM and overclock the R7 1700 to 3.9 - 4GHz to tighten that performance difference in gaming, but i doubt it'll be needed.

No, games don't "rarely use more than 4 cores". 8 thread is the bare minimum, and it usually spreads the load dynamically based on how much it can, regardless of thread count. Seeing games uses 10 or 12 threads isn't that unusual. Even the 3 years old GTA V uses all 16 threads of the R7 1700, and i wouldn't be surprised if it could use more.

>>60793508
>580
About that anon...

>>60793508

Good luck getting that RX580!

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>>60790569
Ryzen 1700
Asus GTX 1060 Turbo 6GB (all 580s are sold out)
32GB DDR4 3200MHz
250GB Samsung 960 EVO NVMe SSD
3TB Toshiba 7200RPM Hard Drive
1TB Hard Drive (from old system)
DVD Burner (from old system)
Cheap Enermax case
CX750M Power Supply

3x monitors. Meh tier.

Stock cooler looks pretty cool.

>>60793565
so, intel plentium no good ?

>>60793497
GTX 1070 Here, hope I'm not.
>>60793565
Thanks for detailed answer, I appreciate that.

I need stable FPS(60) with stable streaming perfomance, something like 720p at least.

For example, GTA V shows that it runs smoothly with 7700k at 60fps and above, while Ryzen still have dips below 60fps.

While streaming, I would tolerate 40 fps while streaming, but not 30 as it might would be with Ryzen(Probably I'm wrong, but someone tell me if it's gonna be different)

>>60793610
>32 GB
Why

>>60793619
It's only good for extreme budget builds. Or for general home usage. Those 2 cores are going to bottleneck almost any mid-high end GPU in modern games and such.

>>60793619
It's just good enough to get more or less consistent 30+ fps in most games.

>>60793642
>32 GB
>Why

Content creator. Not really a gamer. 3DSmax, maya, mudbox, blender, rendering video, etc.

>>60793628
The Ryzen CPUs will be much better at streaming. More overall CPU horse power = less performance lose from the CPU encoding of the streaming app.

>>60793628
>While streaming, I would tolerate 40 fps while streaming, but not 30 as it might would be with Ryzen(Probably I'm wrong, but someone tell me if it's gonna be different)
The thing is that you're going to quite a bit of performance with the i7 because all the cores are already used by the game. Whereas with R7 you're going to lose little to no performance, because half the cores will be mostly idle.

>>60793656
>>60793652
considering GTX 1050, can plentium fully utilize it or i need i3?

I am confuse as different answers i get here

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>>60793628
>For example, GTA V shows that it runs smoothly with 7700k at 60fps and above, while Ryzen still have dips below 60fps.
I don't know which benchmarks shows that, but it's a bad one. That's a GPU bottleneck taken out of context. Even a g4560 doesn't do that.

I'm on an R7 1700 + R9 280, i can play and stream (@30fps) GTA V at the same time without dipping below 60 FPS at any moment. Same goes for recording, which is why i constantly record myself while playing: because i can
can't say the same about the 7700k

>>60793687
>considering GTX 1050, can plentium fully utilize it or i need i3?
Depends on a multitude of factors such as the specific games and specific settings you play on. But you shouldn't buy an i3 anyway because they're just terrible price/performance compared to pentiums.

>>60793731
ok, consider GTA V, low setting with around 30FPS

>>60793749
Like stated earlier in this thread, you can get 30+ fps in (most) games with the pentium.

>>60793687
Got about minimum 60fps with the 1050ti and a Pentium G4620 here so you will be fine. i3 would not be of much use to you, maybe just invest in a better GPU (for example the 1050ti) if you can. I upgraded to a 1060 6gb now and it runs even better now.
You can always ask youtube for examples (you can ofc never be 100% sure they arent scamming you with OC and such) of the game you want to play on your hardware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jky_MNlJ__E
This is the lowst pentium with the 1050 4gb.

>>60793567
>>60793598
Yeah... Bit of a long shot. I'm planning on waiting a bit anyway and sale hunt, so I'm keeping an eye open for good 1060 deals in the mean time. Any particularly good brands?
Everything else looks good though? Should I get some case fans?
I'm planning on minor overclocking, and mostly gaming for the next 5-6 years.

>>60793902
>>60793792
thx, i just confuse with the previous comment on how the game can use more than two cores

Hey /pcbg/ how's this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bR96Z8 for gaymen? Decent build?

>>60793962
CAN use and NEEDS to use are two different things.

Mates, I need a little help.

Looking for a good, full featured case.
At least one bay for a dvd/BR drive preferably.
Dust filters too since its probably going to be close to the floor.
Window would be nice, but not a huge priority.
Preferably no swing open door for the power button/drives in the front. Don't want another broken one like my old one here. But if it's not likely to snap from being cheap plastic then I think it might be tolerable.
2 feet tall as my height limit. Absolutely cannot go above that.
Also needs to be wide enough to put one of those Noctua cpu coolers in.

>>60793979
For 1440p 144hz you might wanna get a Ti instead.
Looks good.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q9MkKZ
Is this a good build? Should I go with the noctua cooler or liquid cooler for the cpu?

I want a 2+ drive RAID 1 capable backup enclosure that isn't a piece of shit for under $150. Does it exist? All the ones I see have tons of negative reviews where windows will decide the drives aren't formatted and shit like that

>>60794651
The noctua cooler would most likely cool better, be less noisy and doesn't have risks of leaking. More importantly, even if the two fans break, the heatsink is still good enough to cool your computer until you buy a new fan, whereas a dead pump in an AIO means a house fire
850w is pretty unneeded for such a build. What are you gonna use it for?

>>60794663
Save more money and buy a proper NAS

>>60794696
mostly gaming and work

>>60794938
what work?

Hey guys I currently have:
I5 6600k at stock speeds for now (no need to overclock yet)
16 GB ram 2666Hz
R9 380x
HDD WD Blue 1TB

I play my vidya at 1080p with frames from 60-120 without issues - gfx settings High-Ultra depending on the game. Why would anyone upgrade this year? All the components are too new to know how everything will look in 2019. It seems to me as if you would be throwing away money. Both AMD and Intel seem to playing some shady game and the ram producers are purposefully jerking up prices. I would honestly stick with either the earlier Skylake releases or go for the AMD Ryzen but only the cheaper variations as there really is no need for more than 4 cores. Also what is with the SSD hype??? I feel that SSD's are too expensive for the type of advantage they give. I want the M.2 too drop in price as that is where the real improvement is more than visible.

Maybe this year is not the best to be upgrading and with what intel announced with i9 I think this year will be shit and a stick for all of us. Maybe we should wait and see what 2018 holds before forking over the dollars.

Any good 4:3 monitors out there?

>>60795024
Because not everyone upgraded last year and the i9s will be overpriced crap that'll perform worse than 7700k in games and worse than threadripper in everything else.

>>60795024
>Both AMD and Intel seem to playing some shady games
what

>as there really is no need for more than 4 cores
unless hyperthreaded, that's false

>I want the M.2 too drop in price as that is where the real improvement is more than visible.
It's the opposite. You won't see any real improvement with an M2 from an SSD, it only benefits productivity stuff that requires very very low latency and huge bandwidth (video / audio production, simulations, etc)
Boot times are the same, game loading times are the same, etc etc. Doesn't do anything for consumer.

Your rig is pretty good for the time being, no need to change for the past two years in my opinion.

>>60794795
I don't need networking, I don't *want* it internet-accessible, I don't need "apps", I don't need it to have its own operating system, I just need something that I can plug into my system once a month and make redundant backups of my shit.

>>60795172
>buy a E1-2100 or Celeron J3355 motherboard
>buy 4 hard drives, 16GB of RAM, and a cheap PSU
>install OpenBSD and format the drives into a ZFS array
>connect to your computer with a spare ethernet jack via a crossover cable
>best back up/availability solution without getting jewed

1060 6gb is around double the price of 1050 ti, do you get double the performance?

Planning to OC a 1600x. Will I benefit from putting an AIO liquid cooling on it or will a proper air solution be better price/performance-wise?

>R5 1600 4ghz @ 1.45v with 2933mhz 2x4 ram on a B350 motherboard
Is this realistic?

>>60795363
240mm AIOs are usually within a few (2 - 4°C) degrees of high end air cooler

>>60795396
Drop down to 3.9Ghz or 3.8Ghz, if you need that high vcore. Stay below 1.4v.

>>60795396
>1.45v
please don't go above 1.4v unless you know very very well what you're doing

>>60795396
AMD says the max you should go on voltage is 1.425. That's the threshhold of safe.
Unless you're an experienced overclocker, don't try it. 3.8/3.9 should be plenty

I need some advice here
I don't know anything about CPUs, I was just a casual gamer pleb so I only know GPUs.
but now I'm doing much more editing and virtual-machineing and SVP for 60fps animu
so can anyone redpill me on the CPU market please? what's with all the hype with Ryzen and thread ripper? and should I ultimately choose AMD CPUs over Intel CPUs?

>>60795642

> what's with all the hype with Ryzen

Twice the cores and similar IPC at same price point (or if you look at it the other way, same cores and similar IPC at half the cost).

> thread ripper?

64 FUCKING PCIE LANES across every chip.

>and should I ultimately choose AMD CPUs over Intel CPUs?

Wrong question - why should you choose Intel over AMD?

>>60795642
>and should I ultimately choose AMD CPUs over Intel CPUs?
for your usage yes, don't even bother considering Intel CPUs, because they usually offer more cores for the same price. Maybe that will change next year? Who knows, but at the time anything editing & VM is Ryzen only.

Threadripper is hedt stuff. 10 to 16 cores part with 64 pcie lanes and all the stuff, in case the 8 cores of the R7 CPUs aren't enough or if you need more than the maximum of 32 PCIe lanes Ryzen CPUs can offer (more GPUs? more NVMEs?)

>>60795720
>>60795736
thanks for the redpill

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when does this hell end? Anybody know?

I never OC'd before in my life and plan on buying a 1700 with a good cooler (I know the stock ones are supposed to be great already).

On what level do you OC anyway? BIOS or OS? Will the setting persist or will I have to redo it every reboot?

>>60795939
BIOS. I think Ryzen has a program you can access on the desktop though

>>60795939
OS overclock do not persist once rebooted
BIOS overclocks do
For this reason i personally do overclock stability tests using the OS overclocking tool (Ryzen Master) and once i know it's a safe and stable overclock after some long and intense testing, i apply it in bios.

I also OC though the OS at times if i'm gonna need high frequencies on fewer core (emulation), frequencies that wouldn't be sustainable on all eight cores, but that's because i'm on the stock cooler

>>60795939
The overclock will persist unless you fuck up and its too unstable. It will just revert to its settings before you fucked with it unless you fried the CPU or mobo by going too high too fast. ie: 5.0GHz on Ryzen with shitty Hyper 212 Evo

>>60795934
I was waiting 2 months for my CPU cooling, thats what happens when you try to buy NZXT in europe

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>>60795939

CPU overclocking - even with the brilliant ryzen master - should be done in the BIOS. The main reason for this is you get access (especially on x370) to considerably more options which dramatically helps when dialing in the absolute upper limit.

Pic semi-related - a 1700 on a crosshair hero cooled by a silver arrow IB-E

>budget 1500
>gaymen
>professIOnal work

Any recommendations?

>>60796168
what work

>>60796168
R7(probably 1700 or 1700x)
1070(or 580/1060, depending on just how much you care about gaming)
Some good b350 or x370 MOBO
EVGA 550w gold rated
16GB of 3000MHz+ RAM

That should get you started.

>>60796182
AutoCAD shit

I'm looking to eventually get into designing houses and stuff

>>60796253
Mostly for gaming right now but would like to take advantage of having intensive programs running decently

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CWG83F

Planning to get this build in the near future, i had to tweak some stuff due to unavailable components and went for the gaming plus board now because it's only marginally more expensive than the MSI mortar... I already have the GPU too which i will be upgrading down the road.

Thoughts? Anything i could/should downgrade and save some money on?

>>60796287
Well, a 580/1060 6GB will run pretty much everything you throw at it if you're using a 1060p/60Hz screen. If you're going beyond that, a 1070 would be a smart choice.

What are some quality B350 and X370 boards

>>60796307
>Getting RX 580
>Hoping to buy 1440p 144hz monitor anyway
Who even plays games like witcher 3? pubg, and other minor games is what most of us play.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H4DLXH
Shit on this build as hard as you can and suggest things to make it less shit
Hard Mode: no >buying windows
The 1080ti is just a place holder, I'm planning on slapping a Vega in there when it does come out, which should cost like half of that I don't know. For the monitor I'm sure there are better ones out there.
You can change everything except for the 1600x
Keep in mind I would like to fall for the 144hz 1440p meme

>>60796342
I'd like to add that the keyboard is also but a placeholder though I am planning on getting greens

>>60795934
>rx 580
sucks they get bought out as soon as they're put up

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>check out comments on motherboards
>"I like this one because of the LEDs..."
>"..oh and it has RGB!"
>"The armor plates look fantastic..."


The fuck is going on?

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2x barracuda pro 6TB in raid-1.
would that be overkill enough for a gaymen machine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDDLTwS4zgs
OMG we did it reddit!

>>60796669
kill yourself

>>60795157
> shady games
as in releasing cpu's that the normy pleb will not really need but might buy if they have the money because they don't know what it is used for. Their marketing is atrocious and Intel is expecting MOBO manufacturers to make boards for their convoluted i9 and kabylakeX processors that all have different specs in one tight little package. They are dreaming if they think anyone will fork over that amount of money if threadripper is the be all and end all processor.

>> hyperthreading??

I play games, code php, c, and some java. What the hell do I need hyperthreading for. Be it I love to make videos but I already have a laptop for that and a capture card. Why would I do everything on one machine when I grew accustomed to having many machines, each for their own purpose???

>> what the hell is with SSD M.2
I still do not understand what I would gain from an SSD/M.2.... you just made me question whether or not to purchase one on saturday. I will just get more HDD memory as I need it for my movies and photographs.... I use alot of photoshop as well for my photography.

So I basically do not need to upgrade anything? Did I make the right choice last June???

>>60796806
>I play games, code php, c, and some java. What the hell do I need hyperthreading for.
Look at benchmarks for any new game. i7 will have higher minimum framerates every time precisely because of the hyperthreading.

>>60796842
that is where you lost me. i7 is for games like gtaV right?
Look I have a 1080p Asus and I play Tekken 7, witcher 3 and blizzard games.... all of them. What the hell am I going to do with an i7 6700k or 7700k. Plus the price. Is it really worth the purchase as I will never allow myself to spend money on a gtx 1080. All the other cards will not bottleneck with my i5 6600k. As for new games, DOOM is running at 95+ fps on my r9 380x with vulcan... why would I upgrade I need an example as everyone else says I am good for another 2+ years

>>60796891

You appear to have brain problems. Lurk moar and come back to us.

posted this in another thread but

Will an Accelero Arctic Xtreme 4 for an Rx 480 fit in an ENERMAX ECA3351A case?

The cooler is 288 mm and the case width is 390 mm, but I know for a fact that the cooler width starts at the middle of the card due to the heatsink being in the middle, so I'm not sure there will be enough room in the case.

>>60796842
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhaB1dqYv_I

on average the gain is about 8 fps without OC. If you overclock a i5 6600k you will get as near as you can to a 6700k. The price difference is there but I don't see a reason to go from an i5 6600k to a i7 7700k just yet.

I have a msi b350 mortar, can i buy a nvidia 1060 without problems? Or is it incompatible

Opinions on this build? Completely new to this and looking to spend under or just over 1k. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Lf7Fnn

>>60796951
>on average
I was talking specifically about minimum framerates, anon.

>>60796969
minimum frames that one will see with their naked eye is 30fps. A CS player will feel 60fps. And a wizard will sense 144fps. Look this is all bullshit. If the game runs and the programs work and your machine doesn't start a fire you are good to go. Most affordable monitors only show 59.98 fps and those that say they show 144hz actually fluctuate and show 100-120. This is all marketing at its best. Get an i7 if you have the money and wish to feel like everyone who has an i7 or stick with the i5 till you start to see it struggling. The prices are too high right now and will be till next year so my advice is to actually wait.

I'm fucking sick of my i5 4690k being shit so I'm looking to upgrade. Should I spend 500 canuckbux on a 4790k or should I bite the bullet and get a R7 1700(x)/1800x, mobo, and RAM for about $1200?

>>60791329

I bet tmyou have 4 cooler master sickleflow fans at 12 volt

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>>60797041

All high performance Intel chips are housefires.

>>60796618
gaymers

Is there any point in buying a gpu now? Everything is out of stock and I imagine prices will only go up when they are, because of the demand. Should I just give up and wait till the next cycle?

>>60796342
>buying windows
>spending 100$+ so it overclock 0.2ghz more than 1600 on stock
>x370 meme
>m.2 meme
>full tower case
>850w psu
>buying "high-performance", noisy drive for STORAGE

honestly if you don't give a shit about saving money then go right ahead. you could easily shave 350$+ from this build and it would perform the same

>>60794663
Terramaster seem have the best reviews among the cheaper stuff. Not sure if there's one for under 150 though.

PSU question

among these, which should I get:
>BeQuiet Pure Power 10 CM 600w
>Corsair cx650m
>Fortron Hydro X 650

there is only up to 10-15$ difference between them.

I already checked them on jonnyguru, and only the BQ was on there scoring a 9, and the corsair scored lower but still managed to become the most recommended PSU on tom's (for the wattage.)

The Fortron I couldn't find many trustworthy reviews for, but it IS Gold rated for around the same price.

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What's the best B350 mobo for overclocking? I'm trying to get my ryzen 5 1600 to at least 3.8ghz. Was thinking about the MSI tomahawk, is that a good choice? Also, is the stock cooler really good enough for OC or should I get an aftermarket one?

>>60797199
Vega supposedly hits soon, so I would wait (that's what I do).

>>60797380
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H4DLXH
Windows and mobo+processor memes stay. I decided to go air.
>m.2 meme
I'd like to get a regular 2.5 but there's no comparable Intel SSDs for that price, or should I just go Samsung again?

>>60797621
I'm sure vega will be in ready supply.

>>60791620
Use a Linux live cd to memeroy test and maybe play doom on a Linux

>>60794080
Oh, and budget isn't anything to worry about. I have well over a few thousand I'm willing to spend on my build. My only limits really are space at the moment.

>>60796934
Pls respond

>>60797621
>>60797657
You only wait for Vega if you a highend buyer. Mid tier and low tiers are fucked

>>60797890

Full fat vega, overclocked ryzen 7 and a 32" HDR freesync 2 screen is all I desire.

I'm goimg ti upgrade my monitor but i can't decide which could be the best choice, a 1440p @144hz or a 4k @60? I have a r9 Fury Nitro

What's the cheapest video card supporting freesync I can buy new?

When will miners sell their rx 570's?

>>60797952
rx550?

>>60797952
Rx550

Spend 60 more get 560 it all up to ur usage.

What is the WORST, microwave tier graphics card 500 dollars can get? I'm trying to assemble the worst computer money can buy. Budget is 1500 USD.

>>60797577

MSI Krait B350 or Gaming pro, so says the hairtist.

https://youtu.be/ZGrxhf_xZWI

>>60797577
>>60798067
nigger, where?
he says he will be using ASUS PRIME B350M Plus
he is saying the mosfets are tier higher than msi or gigabyte

Best cheap AM4 motherboard?

>>60798117

Watch you lazy spoon fed fuck.

>>60798247
ASUS PRIME B350M Plus would be my choice

>>60798267
I did, and you got called out on your bullshit
here is bulzoid saying he will be using asus for his competition and that their mosfets are better
https://youtu.be/ZGrxhf_xZWI?t=19m37s

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yKRdTH

Any thoughts/suggestions before I buy this?

Please note that the prices do not match what I'll be paying in yuro-money.

You can't overclock on A320 right? Does XFR at least work?

>>60798338

No you can't and no it doesn't.

XFR is auto-overclocking.

>>60798297
For an Asus sponsored competition that only allows Asus motherboards.

All of these highend B350s are overbuilt for the 6 core.

>>60798327
assuming you have budget for better things

>samsung 850 evo
is this the year 2014? No? Then get samsung 960 evo

1TB WD? Either would go for 1TB hitachi if you are as rich as you seem
or WTF, 3TB WD red, at least, more like 4TB.

what's a good 1080p gaymen monitor?

thoughts on my build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XMhQ2R

>>60798327
>>60798432
don't listen to this retard, there's no reason to go for 960 evo.

>>60798496

Change your motherboard if you want higher clocks.

>>60798432
Thanks for your input.

I've read elsewhere that the difference between a PCI-E and SATA 3 SSD is fairly insignificant when you're just using it for gaming / every day activities.

I have another HD, so I don't really need more than 1TB and I really like WD.

>>60798504
I was just about to submit this replay and you shows up to reinforce what I wrote. Good stuff.

What are the chances of a pirated windows 10 ltsb installation having outside code? Basically what I'm trying to say is, is it possible for other peole(the ones who made it available) to have access to my computer?

>>60798496
>rgb ram meme
also if you're going for white aesthics check out asus 1070 dual.
for the same price you can have asrock x370 mobo.

>>60798537
>is it possible for other people(the ones who made it available) to have access to my computer?
you mean just like microsoft has?

>>60798520
can this motherboard not handle 3.8-4ghz?

what do you recommend?

>>60798572
Yeah I know that Microsoft does that, but I mean it's a bit weirder if there is another party also fishing around in my business. What you think? Just do it? Fucking $200 buck for an OS no thanks!

>>60798457
24MP59G

+75hz
+Freesync
+2016/2017 model IPS panel, PWM-free
+Backlight strobing mode for supreme motion clarity in fast-paced FPS
-Ugly, flimsy stand with no height adjustment
-No VESA mounts

Roughly 170$.

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>>60798504
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10833/the-samsung-960-evo-1tb-review/10

>>60798530
>I've read elsewhere that the difference between a PCI-E and SATA 3 SSD is fairly insignificant when you're just using it for gaming / every day activities.

if we were talking about 960 sata and 960 pcie then you might have something there, but its not about pcie giving you some higher max sequential speeds, its about actually having a better thing and if some faggot is buying 1080ti, with 3200 hz RAM then that faggot can spend extra 25€ on SSD that will be with him for 10 years

>don't really need more than 1TB and I really like WD.
HGST better, thats all
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/

and if you would take WD RED they would at least be quieter than 7200rpm blues

>>60798589

MSI krait B350, Gaming Pro tied for first
Asus Prime B350 for second place
Asrock Pro 4 third place.

>>60798632
>flimsy stand

fuck this seems like a legit monitor but I hate when a monitor wobbles

>>60798655
>muh synthetic benchmark
you're retarded. look at actual real-world applications. the difference is non-existant. he wouldn't ever notice a difference between 850 and 960.

>that one backblaze ""study""
newfag detected. too bad it means fucking nothing since backblaze testes the shittest drives in conditions that they weren't supposed to work in. for a typical home customer it literally doesn't mean shit.

>>60798677
what about some X370 boards?

do they offer better overclocking potential or no?

Processor guy here, it came in the mail and my pc still won't boot. I've replaced the psu, mobo and processor now, so what the actual fuck is going on.

>>60798655
Funny reply.

I'm going to look this stuff up.

>>60790569
>Bought a 1060
>Case is too small.

pls help.

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Any word on this motherboard ?

>>60798853

The power isn't conntecdd happy thoughts will win in your heart

I just sold my RX 480 for 350$ (bought it for 270$).

Looking to buy a GTX 1080, will my i7 4790k at 4,6Ghz bottleneck? Probably not right? And if so, what's the best bang for the buck 1080 right now?

>>60799094

It is though, the heatsink fan spins for about 2 seconds, nothing else happens though.

>>60799122

motherboard batt is dead.

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>be myself
>get whole Ryzen build ready
>have to wait for Cryorig H7 AM4 upgrade kit to be able to install cooler for 2 weeks (it's free thought)
>HYPE!
>get to build PC, everything works wonders
>BUT WAIT... A fucking irritating coil whine comes from the PC when at idle and moving the mouse
>switch GPU, PSU, mouse, USB ports, etc to check for the problem
>the sound comes from the X370 Taichi's VRMs
>RMA that shit, still waiting for 2 weeks
>Asrock says they can't hear the noise but will investigate further
>still fucking waiting
>all hype is gone
>mfw

Anyone had this problem with mobos when it only whines when moving the mouse?

Should I mount my PSU fan facing down or up? It's going in a Fractal Design R5.

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>>60799176
funny am4 for H7 came today for me in mail
its not for my ryzen build though, its for i5 6600k where it was almost no improvement over tiny arctic i30, I guess it would require delliding to make some difference there
only whine I had was from gpu when in menus with super high FPS
also I never buy other than gigabyte or asus mobos

>>60799183
I have it in R3 up
X650
logic is two fold
1. no dust inside from sucking it in
2. when fan is idle, as is most of the time its easier for hot air to escape, while when under load and the fan turns it might be able to help a bit in removing hot air from the case

Did some stress testing today with Aida64's stability test (not overclocking rn btw, running an i7 7700k).

Ran the CPU, FPU, cache, and memory stress tests there and hit a max of 83C, with most temps in the high 70s, and no throttling. This is fairly good for now, right?

Though for some reason, my idle temps seem to be around 40C...

here's my build right now...

will the GTX 1080 work well with this monitor or does it require a 1080ti to take full advantage of it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d4X6Z8

>>60799363
Ah, also only ran for a bit more than half an hour since I'm not overclocking, temps were consistent.

sup guys I'm going for this build:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4Jmv7h

What's your opinion? Any recommendations?

>>60799149

But I JUST replaced it.

>>60799392
Why do you need an X370 board? Are you planning on using a lot of PCIE peripherals or SLI/CF?

>>60799367
The monitor is pure garbage no g sync no ips panel, check this one out is a budget monitor that will take full advange of your gpu:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/scM323/aoc-ag271qg-270-165hz-monitor-ag271qg

remove the hdd is not needed if you are going with 500gb ssd, in case you need some space plug in an external hard drive

Don't really know where to ask but i guess i'll ask here.

Is this a good UPS? https://www.amazon.com/APC-Back-UPS-Battery-Protector-BR1500G/dp/B003Y24DEU/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1496875781&sr=1-4&keywords=UPS+power+supply

>>60799422
No, the only reason Im going with this motherboard is because I've read that is one of the best compatible mobos for ryzen cpus

Im open to any suggestion !

https://www.evga.com/Products/Feature.aspx Hey boys, it's no 980 TI, but a 1060 6gb is on sale for 199$ for those wanting a video card before the next ice age.

>>60799498
If there was an issue with compatibility between Ryzen and mobos then there would be a massive backlash. All mobos are compatible with Ryzen, in fiact they require Ryzen to function. If you dont want to SLI/crossfire anytime in the future, go with a B350 board to lower the price. Do you have a particular budget? I would advise you to get a HDD, and maybe a 1700/1700X for the sake of having the money.

>>60799595
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nNGQ2R

>>60798327
You really don't need a 1080Ti. Ryzen exists and people still pick intel, but hey it's not a bad choice if you can spring for it. 1080Ti's are meant for stuff not at 1080p. Like 1440p and up.

>>60799410

CPU?

>>60799651

an i5-4690k

>>60799595
ok I listened to you and made some changes I changed the mobo as you said and also the gpu, got the 1080ti of msi is 120e cheaper

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KKZpYr

The thing is that Im from EU and the exact same PC build costs 2,983.29USDshipping included 60eur (prices from mindfactory.de)

What's the best case?

>>60799733
Then use the european version, you brit. Come on man
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/KKZpYr

>>60799780
A used Sun Microsystem workstation desktop, gutted and redrilled for proper ATX mounting points

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MDxwf8
Pretty cookie cutter build at this point, just wanted to make sure it was all good before ordering.

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>>60796934
>>60797839


ANSWER ME REEEEEEEEEE

>>60800086
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VPKwf8
I changed your hard drive to a more reliable one, only a $4 increase.

>>60800248
yes

>>60800429
Was thinking of going without it or getting a Seagate anyways, thanks.
Used a wd external for years, I'll opt for it for brand loyalty, thanks.

Are ethereum miners buying all the g4560's?? They're all sold out too fffffffffffff.....!!

>>60799524
>>60799524
>>60799524
New thread bois