Is this the new mobile meme? Because i can get behind this meme.

>>60787158
I don't see a purpose on mobile devices where there's not a major need or demand for high refresh rates

>>60787222
demand can be created
>not having 120hz on your blue bubbles

>>60787222
>not playing pro csgo on your iphone

>green bubbles in 120Hz
Yuck. Pass.

120hz for mobile VR would be neat-o

>>60787222
Because every mobile OS is based around "muh clarity" and "muh fluidity".

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>>60787222
>purpose

>>60787158
How long till /g/ says you dont need more than 60hz

>>60787222
Are you one of those retards that claim your eyes can't see beyond 30fps?

Because i can perfectly notice how shitty the refresh rate is in most phones.

>>60787563
No I actually have a 144hz monitor for muh gaymes. I just don't think high refresh rates have much usefulness on mobile devices, at least not right now.

>>60787660
thus why apple is doing it on tablets to start off. Like, the iPad I use for light surfing would be a lot better with 120hz. My phone not so much

>>60787694
Browsing experience isn't improved very much by higher refresh rates anon.

>>60787715
can read stuff easier when scrolling for one.

>>60787563
nice meme m8

>>60787737
I'll give you that. Unless it's an insignificant hit to battery life I wouldn't opt for it though.

>>60787772
I mean if they can optimize it like how apple said where a stationary photo will update at 15hz or whatever then it might not be too bad

Wouldn't that absolutely buttfuck battery life? Seems counterintuitive when that's the thing people want most.

>>60787158
As someone who experienced 120hz with a CRT monitor, that would be so great for a phone, although pretty expensive too

>>60787796
As stated above, they have software that “throttles” the refresh rate when it’s unnecessary (reading a book or article.)

>>60787822
But this is why iPads will always be shit for multitasking

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>>60787842
I’m sorry what does that have to do with anything?

>>60787933
Assuming there's no new high end display tech you can't selectively choose the refresh rate of each pixel, so unless you're literally using a single application that is arbitrarily deemed "unworthy" of 120fps this adaptive refresh rate talk isn't very useful

>>60787222
To further drain the battery of course!

it's just the dickwaving contest the mobile market always has been, whoever gets the largest numbers on a spec sheet always wins

>>60788017
I came here to say this.
We always need bigger, faster, more power hungry screens, for some reason, even though battery tech hasn't kept up at all.

>>60787222
>I don't see a purpose on mobile devices where there's not a major need or demand for high refresh rates
You don't see the need for idiots to subsidize the manufacturing of high hertz small screens that'll go into your VR headset later on so you can be with your waifu?

>>60788770
VR is justifiable because of the applications involved. Standard tablet usage? Not so much.

>>60787787
Sounds like a bullshit claim. How would they be able to determine if the render calls would change the screen or not? There's ways to do that like having every memory access be wrapped by checks on if it's touching any state that could be pushed to the gpu. Or segment memory so you only check for a chunk which would have to be reserved for rendering.

If they do this at all it'd only be for their own apps or possibly through a special api.

Alternatively all apps are forced to do it and the app store is fragmented for these screen users.

It's unrealistic. Why would they update at 15hz for a still image anyway? If they can manage to determine if there's change on the screen or not they can simply not draw at all. It'd be paused rendering until action occurs.

Drawing at 120Hz on the iPad will feel much better than 60Hz.

F I L E B R O W S E R

>>60788844
Yeah if you're speed sketching. If you're actually taking it slow like most legitimate artists it's not going to make much of a difference.

If they used a low persistence display it would increase battery life and motion fluidity. I'd love to at least have the option of toying with something like that.

>locked at 60fps
>120hz refresh rate
Am I missing something here?
What's the point if you'll get 120fps let alone anything above 60fps?

>>60788844
Speaking of the file browser why can’t I save anything to my iPad? It only lets me save stuff to iCloud Drive.

Honestly I remember using a 120hz monitor just with Windows and it was quite nice. Somehow, animations in macOS support that as well. If it ends up becoming cheap and common it'll be nice, there's no disadvantage.

>>60787158
120fps 720 slow-motion videos, iphone 7

>poordroid users will claim 120Hz is a useless feature until lagdroid devices have it

LIKE P O T T E R Y

>>60790494
I might walk around with it strapped to my head with the camera on so I can see the world in 120fps instead of 24fps

120hz is finally becoming the new standard...

>>60787563
You have it wrong. Eye cant see past ~15fps, but your brain tricks you.

>>60788789
>Sounds like a bullshit claim. How would they be able to determine if the render calls would change the screen or not?
They'll likely have something in the GPU silicon. No need for complicated software implementations.

>>60790514
>applefuckers will say that having less bezels isn't important

>>60790563
Name one bezel free android tablet from the last year

>>60788011
you're fucking retarded, kill yourself

>>60790563
It is important to have less of these. But seriously the bezels got smaller and aren't that big for a tablet espacially compared to other companies.
On the other side 120Hz is important too and no one yet has it.

>>60787222
Nice trips

>>60790556
Anon hardware is just like a software implementation except it's in hardware.
It's still complicated. You're gonna add an overhead.
I don't think a HW implementation would be better. Marking memory or doing the segmented memory is probably more efficient than a HW solution because it's acting at a higher level.
I think the best place for this is the graphics driver. But I wouldn't like that Apple decided to fuck with my program like that.

>>60790169
cuck

1000hz should be the standard

>>60790820
Glad to see you can't contribute anything meaningful.

I'm actually thinking about getting the new iPad Pro when I go back to college this fall, it's either that, the Samsung Chromebook Pro or a Surface Pro. I want a 2 in 1 with stylus support and I already have a Windows machine at home so I can just VNC into it if I need to access Windows on the go, and I also do photography so I need to edit photos and the iPad Pro screen is second to none when it comes to mobile devices. Apple also fixed the main problems I had with the iPads before, like better multitasking and an actual file browser.

Convince me why I shouldn't, /g/

>>60796821
Just bought an iPad Pro for school, and it is absolutely fantastic. Got a cheap keyboard case, so it can be a laptop when I need it to, and quickly become a tablet when that's needed. The Apple Pencil is nice too, and if you decide on the Pro you should consider an app called Notability. It records the audio of your lectures and time stamps your notes, so you can play back parts of the lecture based on what you wrote down.

>>60798940
At least try to hide the fact that you're shilling

>>60798992
Remember kids, if someone advocates for something you disagree with, they must be a shill. In fact, accusing someone of something without any reasonable basis to form your conclusion is usually a sign of cognitive dissonance, where you cannot accept a certain reality, so you must find any way to dispute it. Even if it makes you look like a complete faggot who can't get over the fact that some people like something that he doesn't.

>>60799024
kys itard

>>60799040
And when you cannot refute an argument any more, you simply attack your opponent. The iPad Pro is the first apple product I've owned. I decided to share my positive experience with someone else on /g/, and you decided to attack me for it because you apparently can't stand that someone would enjoy an Apple product. In the tablet market, it is clear that Apple has the superior products, with longer OS support and a more optimized OS as well.

>>60799061
>t. iPajeet

>>60799127
You're embarrassing yourself at this point. Why don't you refute my arguments instead of shitposting?

>>60798992
>>60799040
>>60799127
Lol what a retard

>>60799140
You sure told him, iPajeet!

>look at 4k 180ppi monitor once
>now every 1080p 90ppi monitor looks like shit

>look at 144Hz monitor once
>now every 60Hz monitor looks like shit

I don't like where this is going

>>60799163
The fact that you refuse to make any counterarguments tells me that you have nothing to add. Probably because you have no actual knowledge on the subject. You're most likely just here to shitpost, and are one of the reasons why this board has become absolute shit.

>>60799024
I called you a shill because you sounded like a fucking infomercial
> "Hi folks I'm Billy Mays and Just bought an iPad Pro for school, and it is absolutely fantastic. Got a cheap keyboard case, so it can be a laptop when I need it to, and quickly become a tablet when that's needed. The Apple Pencil is nice too, and if you decide on the Pro you should consider an app called Notability. It records the audio of your lectures and time stamps your notes, so you can play back parts of the lecture based on what you wrote down. "

>>60799226
He wanted testimony on what would work for his situation. I was literally just in his position, between the Tab S3, Chromebook Pro, and iPad Pro. I haven't owned an apple product before, but I do work part time at an electronics store when I'm not in class, and have liked what I've seen from the iPads. MacBooks and iMacs are overpriced and overrated, but Apple definitely did it right in the tablet market.

>>60787158
Now you can stutter with double the framerate.

>ITT: People unironically getting iPad pros instead of Surface Pros

wew lad

>>60799282
>Wanting a terribly unoptomized OS taking up what little power your tablet has

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>>60790547

>>60799262
Sorry for being a faggot anon

>>60799319
>>60799262
Samefag iFuck detected

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>>60788786

don't you get it anon? if we can hype up demand for those screens they will sink in cost for us.

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>>60799334
kys

>>60799347
kys first, iFuck.

>>60787449
>implying your mobile GPU could render even the simplest 3D game at 120 FPS

>>60799297
>tablet with full blown OS has better to comparable battery life than one with a gimped OS

>>60799359
Notice I'm posting from an Android phone? All I did was buy an iPad, you fucking faggot. Kys if you can't stand the fact that someone can find valid reasons to own an iPad.

>>60799383
You sure told him, iPajeet!

>>60799380
>Most comparable surface is 150 dollars more with a dual core m3

>>60799380
13 hours on the Surface Pro and 10 hours on the iPad Pro. Both tested playing a 1080p video.

>>60787429
iOS/iPhone already supports 120hz (since 5s) but it doesn't use it for general UI, since that would just use double the battery for no gain.
Use camera app and slow-mo for real 120hz capture and display.

Unless you literally are playing with 120fps-equivalent animations, transitions aren't going to look any smoother
I'm playing with 85 fps, 144hz, it is noticeably better than 60fps 60 hz
I wish games were less concerned about pushing the limits of acceptable framerates and let people turn their game into potatoland to play it at 144fps without frying their hardware, but that's something I've only seen done on source engine.

If you're not using it for games, everything but your mouse movement look the same. Modern browsers struggle to use hardware acceleration, scrolling a page will look just as choppy

>>60799441
It's still 60Hz on the preview screen. But holy fuck focusing is super fast.

>>60787772
>Unless it's an insignificant hit to battery life I wouldn't opt for it though.
That depends on how the OS handles static images for things like web browsing. IIRC some of the nokia windows phones would put the GPU into a low power state if the display doesn't need to be updated.

>>60799453
It makes sense on a phone and tablet because scrolling will lag less behind your finger and it's easier to read while scrolling.

>>60799468
they're battery-dependent appliances, it makes no sense to have higher-than-media-framerate refresh rates, especially since there's probably nothing on the phone that can render at hgiher than 60fps at 2160p

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Yeah, fuck battery life.

>>60799513
Yeah, fuck progress!

>>60796821
I'd go for the non-iPad option simply for mouse support. However, there's also the closed ecosystem of Apple that'll make anything you want to outside of their cookie-cutter impossible.

>>60796821
don't get the CB pro. I have the CB plus and it has a great machine but the software support for the pen is shite and the finish scratches off easier than the jet black iPhone 7

the fags bitching about this are the same fags who thought that retina displays were a meme and a waste of battery and now every flagship laptop has a ppi display now. This will be no different, refresh rates higher than 60 are going to be the new standard, especially for tablets/computers that have pen support.

where I am:
> UHD/"4k", 60 Hz, 24 bpp SDR, sample-and-hold, IPS

where I'd really like to be:
> UHD "8"k, 240 Hz, 36 bpp HDR + wider gamut, optional strobing, variable sync, QDLED or similar

where I'd be happy to be a year from now:
> 4k, 24 bpp@120 Hz and 30 bpp@ 96 Hz, FreeSync or HDMI 2.whatever VRR, IPS or VA

why can't we have nice things on desktop?
I DGAF about 21:9 ultrashort or 2560x1440 TN shit.

I'm guessing the higher refresh rate and lower latency will give me a higher enjoyment when drawing.

It won't compromise battery life.
It will enhance user experience a bit.
It's important when u need minimum possible input lag such as drawing.

Details: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2017/601/

>>60790092
Less latency for the pen.

When will Youtube support 120/144fps videos?

>>60790563
But the best Android phones have huge bezels.

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>>60799163
>>60799040
>>60798992
>>60799282
>>60799334
>>60799359

>>60801194
>>60802582
Going from 60 Hz to 120 Hz is just going to reduce latency by 8 ms. Just how far do you move your hand in fucking 0.008 seconds?

>>60799468
The lag behind your finger is from input lag, not because the display is slow.

Even mobile first person shooters will have higher refresh than consoles haha.

>>60787563
That's compounded by the crappy phone IPS response times that take over 1/60th of a second to change which makes everything blurry as piss
I'd be fine with 60hz TN and enjoy way better battery life/response time but babbies will complain about how the color isn't as nice as a retina display lol

>>60787158
This is good thing because know Samsung/LG will meme 120 hz tablets and displays.

>>60788709
Hardly, it's usually the one who advertises their product as emotionally pandering as possible (ahem Apple) or has the biggest market share who wins.

>>60787822

>what is battery optimization

>>60799127

>perfect grammar and spelling.
>pajeet

pick 1

>>60787383
isnt 4k and 1440p a direct result of phone manufactures thinking they needed better screens even tho the quality difference couldn't be seen.

200fps 4k monitors here we come

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>>60799282

There are times when you just don't want the bloat of Windows 10. The fuckton of processes, updates to be on top of, notifications to suppress, battery life vampiring, massive attack surface, etc...

Don't get me wrong, I love Windows 10 on my desktop, with 32GB DDR4 and corezgalore. Where I don't care about the scarcity of resources and Chrome running 50 processes.
I would strongly consider an iPad Pro (10") for everything else, on the go.

>>60799432

I own a Surface Pro and there is no fucking way you can get anywhere near 13hrs unless you turn the display down to 1 brightness, and only occasionally type a character into notepad.exe.

7hrs with minimal usage.

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>>60787222
It's to decrease the lag for the pen you degenerate nigger faggot.

>>60787222
VR

>>60800686

This. All of this.

>>60799197
>eat good food once
>all other food taste shitty

>wear nice clothes once
>all other cheap clothes feel shitty

>live like king once
>all other lives feel shitty

what is your point? it's almost as if we are drawn towards the good and better things in life or something. tard

>>60787222
>I don't see a purpose on mobile devices where there's not a major need or demand for high resolutions
Look how that turned out.

>>60804406
>ywn get a monitor with with the same pixel density as your phone

>>60804406
people wanted to watch movies and videos on their phone, what conceivable application would require a 120hz display?

>>60804436
Anything else? System animations? Web browser scrolling? 120hz is not this selective thing that only works with games and movies.

>>60804436
nigga, the display is variable refresh rate.
120hz is great for VR and drawing with the Pen, but if you're watching a movie or reading something, it will adjust accordingly

>>60804477
>120hz is not this selective thing that only works with games and movies

Actually, it is, why do talk out of your ass like a retard?

>>60804822
Why do you?

One of the easiest things to do if you want to want to notice the refresh rate difference right after switching refresh rates on Windows is to move the cursor or a window. If animations are framerate capped of course you won't notice a difference.

>>60787158
>120Hz
>on a tablet
W H Y
H
Y

Bring it to laptops and mainstream desktop, though.

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>>60806494
I don't care about the 120Hz thing.
What I really love is the dynamic refresh rate, I really hope the industry takes notes.
You don't really need 60fps to display a fucking tweet.

>>60787158
is it adaptive sync or muh judder?

>>60800686
>qd
>not oled for muh blacks.

and where is the documentation for developers? i'm pretty sure a lot of iOS apps/games just assume 60 Hz

>>60806320
>Windows

>>60806693
Try with Ubuntu or macOS then. Same thing.

>>60806613
/thread
AMD went the right way with Chill. It works damn great and in combination with Freesync you don't notice the stuttering in idle situations.

>>60787407
>tfw tapping the screen would be advantageous

gamer fags will deny this

>be me
>have an 2015 mbp used mainly for browsing
>see wwdc
>realise an ipad pro with ios11 would satisfy my browsing needs better

Is it time I just end it all bois?

>>60799282
The Surface Pro 4 costs more than the new iPad Pro with a fucking m3 processor and 4GB RAM and if you want the model that starts at 8 GB RAM which is the bare minimum for a desktop OS in 2017 then you have to pay the big shekels at $1200, and iOS works much better as an actual tablet with the stylus than Windows 10 does.

I'm debating over if I should get the new iPad Pro or the Surface Pro 4 but I have a Win PC at home so I can just remote desktop into it if I ever need to.

>>60800686
i would like cubic interpolation instead of sample-and-hold

they've probably not even thought of it

>>60806703
on the iPad Pro it only switches to 120 Hz if you have multiple OpenGL ES views active apparently

why am i even wasting my time on you stupid spergs

>>60806650
QDLED is non-organic direct LED pixels, not LCD + QD-doped backlight or color filter.

So in theory like OLED with an even wider gamut and without pixel aging problems.

>>60806890
Apple litarally made ARM computer called IPad and is adding profesional programs to it(for example full version of affinity photo and it works like butter).

>>60787222
You know were talking about the same company that would put expensive tech inside just to justify the cost

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Holy moly

>>60807407
Imagine if Apple would have some actual balls like back in the day and designed a full fledged desktop cpu.

>>60787660
do you dont notice super fluid windows/mouse/webpage movements with 144hz? that would be excellent for super smooth motion on phones and all devices.

Man, I have a really shitty 120hz monitor and it hurts that I don't have any good use for it, but I can't sell it either because it's in a pretty trashy condition.

>>60808033
This though, I remember smooth scrolling being legit smooth on that shit. Almost like fucking scrolling an actual page in real life. There are benefits to higher refresh rates that people miss. Fuck I remember when everyone thought the only purpose was for 3D shit.

Was this announced for the iPad Pro only or every new iPad model?

Hell, were most things just announced for the Pro only or am I missing something?

>>60808092
ipad pro 9,7 & 12 no 120hz no 120hz

iPad pro 10.5 and ipad pro 12 (2nd gen)
120hz

9,7 got discontinued so you may think 10,5 as "second gen"

>>60808131
Who am I kidding, I ain't buying that shit

I mean fuck me for that price you can get a decent laptop

>>60808131
I mean only second gen iPad pros both
10.5 and 12 have the 120hz.

They both also have now 4gb ram

>>60799453

While I generally agree with you, I feel I must nitpick: most modern browsers have fairly smooth scrolling. Firefox, Chrome, Opera. Ironically, the best (in terms of smoothness) experience is delivered by MS Edge.

In addition to the mouse feeling way smoother, whenever you drag and drop anything, it will be noticeably different. Even just typing a sentence will feel more fluid (unless you cannot touch type and have to look at your keyboard)

>>60808033
Not really. Smaller screen sizes with smaller less dramatic movements makes higher refresh rates less appreciateable. As I said earlier battery life is more important for these devices.

>>60803598
>he actually believes this

>>60803591
If the new SP is anywhere close to the alleged 13.5hrs that'd be huge

>>60809577
The new Displays have variable refresh rate that can go down to 24hz.

Literally the best of both worlds.

>>60809629
>people unironically buying ipads

>>60809642
Do you not browse the internet in bed or on the couch?

>>60809672
>what is a phone

>>60809739
A device with a screen tiny enough not to like decent websites

>>60787222
>wah wah If I don't need no one does

>>60787490
>60Hz
Why? Your eyes can't even see more than 25 FPS

>>60803598
it only seems to kick in during heavy graphical loads so it's probably just to make frame skips less noticeable or to make games smoother

maybe the display component just happened to do 120 Hz and they chose it for other reasons and they're just shoehorning in the 120 Hz along with the other refresh rates because why not

>>60809672
i have tried it a bunch of times with my """"phablet"""" (5.7" screen) and it's truly awful, it's a really bad habit unless you're literally just watching youtube or if you're sitting around waiting for your fagbook "friends" to give you (You)s

a laptop i would understand, maybe a tablet or a phone if you're away from home but in your bed it's an inefficient waste of time and you should take a good look at yourself in the mirror

>>60787694
Good luck wastin THAT much battery on crappy web surfing

So what's the point on having a 120hz screen on a computer with a shitty OS

>>60788744
>>60788017
The displays in these iPads have a dynamic refresh rate, so the battery impact shouldn't be too dramatic for normal use.

The 'point' of the 120Hz refresh rate is for reduced latency when drawing.

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>Which is preferable on future smartphones if you can't have both?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13142031

>>60788789
>If they do this at all it'd only be for their own apps or possibly through a special api.
It's called CADisplayLink and it's been part of Core Animation since forever.

>>60812145
How about a battery I don't have to worry about dying?

I dont really see how having a higher refresh rate could ever be perceived as being a bad thing. Sure its not super noticeable and definitely subject to diminishing returns, but there is a difference.

>>60812359
>>60787796
>>60788017
its funny when you can smell a filthy $200 prepaid android phone pajeet a mile away

>>60812895
>I'll just charge my phone every 4 hours.
>D-Do you have an Apple charging cable?
>Hey check out how smooth this video game on my phone is!
>N-Nevermind got to charge again.
Fuck you nigger, all I hear from Applefags irl is that the battery never last.

>>60807488

They are. Going to switch from Intel on MacBooks in the near future, and gain an extra 200 in profit per laptop sold.

>>60809739
Not a device made for browsing the web in the bed

120hz on phone UIs would be nice, but it'd probably kill the battery life.