/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Is there a way to get extended warranty on Amazon after purchase?

>>60784311
extending warranty is a sign of lack of confidence in a product
and it's usually bogged down with so many terms and conditions it's practically an inferior version of insurance

Is the anti-static wrist strap just a meme or do you actually need one?

>>60784409
if you rub your hands and feet like a jew on carpet and live in a very dry and hot place you will need it

>>60784279
Are the new Ryzen CPU's good for emulation?

>>60784504
yes since they're on par with sandy bridge for emulation
it only took them what, 10 years to catch up

Best Ryzen motherboard around $100? Was thinking the Asus Prime b350 plus, but it doesn't support 3200 ram from what I gather.

I'd prefer something without rgb, not into all the gamer aesthetics.

>>60784796
B350 tomahawk?

>>60784796
I'd go with the Tomahawk. It's what I'm getting. It supports up to 3200, and is on sale from amazon for $100 atm.

>>60784796
The Prime B350 Plus supports up to 3200 mhz.

>>60784279
vega when? Will they be releasing it like they did ryzen (top tier > middle > bottom)?

>>60785014
Only if you overclock though right?
Any appreciable difference between it and the Asus Prime?

Can processor overclocks get unstable over time? I've been running my cpu at 4.4ghz 1.260v for about 2 years and it's been perfectly fine, however I got a gtx 1070 and wanted to push my cpu further to prevent cpu bottlenecks but couldn't achieve any higher clocks so I reverted back to the original 4.4ghz settings but now I keep getting a CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT error whenever I run prime95 and everything I can find is saying this is probably due to an unstable overclock.

I did also upgrade my ram and overclock it so could that also be a factor?

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Is SLI still shit?

I've got money to throw away and I'm looking to build a housefire, a 1080ti SLI setup is looking tasty. People say the founders edition/reference cooler is a housefire, is it really that bad?

Also how do they do with overclocking? I've heard 2000Mhz is pretty easily attainable for most cards but I dunno.

>>60785074
Yes.

>>60784279
How much has ryzen matured since its launch? Have most of the wrinkles been ironed out?

My pretty old setup recently kicked the bucket. Looking to build my own pc this time, budget around 750 with wiggle room.

>Already have 16 gigs of ddr4 ram

>Daily /b/rowsing use, mid gaming but I just got a ps4. Maybe streaming if I continue pvping in this chinkmmo

>already have nice mouse/keyboard and dual monitors.

Mainly need help deciding on a cpu/gpu config and the parts I'm less familiar with like mobos and psus.

I don't care about looks or LED's as long as the case is well cooled.

Would appreciate the help /g/

>>60785080
Mobo makers have ironed most things out. What's left is some pretty obscure shit.
You'll be fine.
>what's left
If you have to ask it's not something you need to stress about.

>>60785074
they forgot to add materials for the back.

>>60785074
1080ti fe is fine. stop listening to amd faggots who are waiting for vega. I have a 1080ti fe and at about 75% fan speed you won't get above 70c so if you want it quieter which doesn't bother me because I have headphones on always anyway you can turn it down some to like 50% and will barely hear it at all and will sit comfy at about 75c.

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You fuckers were actually right about the i5 being obsolete. Thanks to you I only spent about 80 Eurobucks on the Pentium G4620 (tray) in my meme build and I still play BF4 and GTA5 at 60 fps (in fhd mode only though). Not sure if I'm gonna stay with this setup or at some point swap in a super discounted babby lake i5 or if the socket is still supported a post monopoly cpu.
It's just my weekday entertainment setup when I need some entertainment because neither tv nor workstation here. Working with VM is basically out of the question but that's not a big conern. What are the chances that theres a good mITX AM4 board out before christmas that I can replace my board with?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DTDgcc

What happened to rx500 series ? They're not available anywhere

>>60785041
According to AMD, anything over 2667 mhz is considered an overclock and thus voids warranty.

>>60784279
>holy shit this is the best trade deal in the history of trade deals
https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+900+Series+Family&chipset=GTX+980+Ti

>>60784409
it's a meme
attach your PSU to the case, plug it (make sure there's a ground pin), MAKE SURE THE PSU is off and then touch your case occasionally.
boom you're grounded. no need for some gay ass wristband.

>>60785093
750 burger bucks?
>ryzen R5 1600 ~ $200
>any B350 mobo that has good reviews (doesn't need to be gaymer crap) ~$90 - $150
>RX580 (if you can find one lol) ~$209 or a previous generation card from ebay
For PSUs I personally like EVGA because I've never had an issue when them. Check out Jonnyguru to see if a PSU is good or not.
There ya go. An overkill shitposting machine.
>>60785187
crypto miners snatched them all up. Keep your eye on ebay in a few months and get a couple 580s for cheap

>>60785093
Assuming you have your old HDD or can buy one in the near future this would be good for you to start with. I would suggest looking around for an rx 580 if you can find one for a good deal but if not and you are in the US walmart sells that 1060 for $200 online.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ntBn4C

>>60785227

It's out of stock, am I being rused here?

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>>60785169
>fell for the i5 maymay a few years ago
>only play strategy games

>>60785220
That's fucked. Is that something that will change with future updates?

>>60785290
possibly, but we'll have to wait. That said, processors don't die very easily.

>>60785287
well back then the Pentium and i3 were no real alternative (iirc, I've just recently been redpilled on them) so anything between the eternal 2500 and like maybe a 3570 is not bad. What are you running/playing?

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is the node 202 really hard to build in if I have no prior experience? I won't be using a gpu right away if that's any help

>check ebay to see how much 380x's are going for
>600-900 fucking US dollars

Holy fuck, i'm selling my shit right now.

Thanks to all the helpful anons who suggested not buying a key for windows. Getting an iso to work was a lot easier than expected.
Anyone know where I can get a copy of windows office? Mainly I just need Word from 2013 or onwards.

>>60785378

Libre office anon?

>>60785015
Yes, most expensive Vega (probably $500-$700) will be released first it looks like. In late July. Availability might not be until August.

>>60785074
SLI is okay if you want 4K and 1080Ti is your only decent current option there.
In some games the scaling is only like 125% or doesn't work at all. But there are cases where it scales 190%.

But I'd still say you're better off waiting for Vega or Volta. Vega looks like it's going to beat the 1080Ti handedly in 4K. It may end up being better than 1080Ti SLI in DX12/Vulkan games, even.

>Also how do they do with overclocking? I've heard 2000Mhz is pretty easily attainable for most cards but I dunno.
From what I hear, yeah they hit 2000MHz fine. But Pascal doesn't scale up in performance with overclocking very well at all. Do a 10% overclock on Polaris and you get like a 7-8% performance increase. 10% overclock on Pascal and you get a 3-4% performance increase.
And you have issues like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bflLDenKirQ

>>60785169
DO NOT
>""""upgrade""
from a G4560 to an i5.
An i5-7500 on average is like only a 30% performance increase over the G4560 in gaymin. Sometimes it's only like 10%.
An i7-7700 is the only worthy upgrade to go to from a G4560. Anything else is a waste of money.
Or just sell the G4560 and motherboard, which you can get a decent amount for since it's such a good value combo, and put that money you get toward Ryzen.

>>60785093
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x3XrBP

Miners are at it again so no rx570 4gb for you. It's $50 more expensive than your budget but you actually get better stuff-overall. You can shave SSD for now to get 6gb 1060, as it has more cores than the 3gb version.

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>>60785324
Cities: Skylines (more sim than strategy), Supreme Commander, Civ5, some Total War games, Company of Heroes 1 & 2, Banished (if you count that as strategy), and some other shit games I pick up during sales. After about an hour or two 1 game second is about 1.5 actual seconds.

>>60785384
It's for my mom for office work. I tried walking her through linux and libre office, but she's a bit set at this point.

>>60785262

Better than canadian funny money.

Thinking about:

1060 6gb SC ($240)

r5 with GA-AB350-Gaming mobo ($314 for the whole shabang) -- How efficient is wraith cooler? Should I just pop on a 212 evo?

EVGA Bronze 750W $67 (can I go lower?)

Since im under-budget, snazzy NZXT mid case ($70)

All in all, just under $700. Can I squeeze any more efficiency out of it? I would be content with being able to play games on mid-high graphics, I have a 1440p but usually play games at 1080.

>>60785404
Pirate it off torrent sites

I want a 580, I held off for vega announcement. Vega died before it even arrived. Now all 500's are gone and i have pile of pc part boxes sitting in the corner but no GPU.

What do?

>>60785367
I would not recommend that case.
GPU and CPU facing different directions is sooo stupid.
I'd also get one that has a SFF PSU inside of it.

That case is only popular due to marketing.

>>60785368
Mine on it yourself or stay poor, retard.

>>60785401
Just replace it with a 4790k.

How foolish would it be to get a cheap gpu like gt710 to tide me over until afford a 1080 ti or Vega?

Coming from a 6 year old prebuilt with an A8 apu, so it'd probably be a major improvement still.

>>60785440
1060 if you can't wait
Vega/580 if you can

What did you expect the answer to be?

>>60785470
Something I was trying to avoid.

Fucking jewminers.

>>60785459
Just get a 7850 off ebay for peanuts.

>>60785418
Had a stroke of autism and forgot an SSD, so I'll be right at budget as is. I Have a spare TB harddrive that I know works for storage, so I may opt for a cheap(er) 120 gig boot ssd

thoughts on my build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4MYFnn

>>60785418
Wraith cooler that comes with 1600 is actually pretty good, don't really need to spend extra on it.

As for PSU go for efficiency instead of wattage. A 550w gold&modular one will be a better choice than a bronze 750w one. EVGA Supernova series are pretty good.

>>60785454
4790k costs a much as a new 1700. When I decide to "upgrade" I'll probably just switch over to a DDR4 system or redo the entire system and reuse the drives, case, and PSU.

>>60785513
>ryzen
>1080 instead of 1080ti
>white case
>windows 10
>1080p monitor
kys

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Actually putting my first PC together tomorrow and I'm nervous about breaking something or fucking up.

Any advice or things you guys wish you knew before you built your first PC?

>>60785459
If it's like $5, sounds fine. Super garbage GPU that's not worth more.

I was going to say a 5770 but apparently even those are going for $40-$75 now. rofl.

>>60785513
that monitor is like 4 years old

>>60785513
If you're going full nham on overclocking like this suggests, grab the 1600X over the 1600. That way, you don't have to sell a stock cooler.
I'd also drop the windows.
If you want windows, just download the free installation tool off Microsoft's website to install it (via a 4GB or greater USB flash drive), then buy a key from Kinguin for $30.

>>60785516

$60 over budget, had to add an SSD, but I'll let it slide.
Will 550 be safe with what I'll be pulling?

>>60785521
Yeah.
This is why the whole buying a low end Intel CPU and thinking you'll upgrade when your only upgrade options wind up being old CPUs once you feel the need to upgrade is a dumb meme, I guess.

>>60785561
>old monitor

point me in the right direction of a good 120-144hz monitor

>>60785551
Make sure you install the motherboard standoffs/posts in the case, I was a retard and killed two motherboards and two cpu's because I didn't.

Also ground yourself on a plugged in PSU before touching anything. Static is mostly a meme but better safe than sorry.

>>60785367
Seems perfectly doable, especially without a gpu. Just finished my first ITX build with a much more restrictive case and it was fine.

>>60785390
>upgrade to i5-7xxx
no worries I'd only do it if I get it basically for free and I generally want to keep the TDP as low as possible; heat might quickly become an issue. Not on that list is one of these Scythe super slim 120mm case fans but currently I peak around 55°C CPU and GPU which personally is my upper limit of whats acceptable (for CPU). Top case fan mod is still an option though, tools are at hand.
>Or just sell the G4560 and motherboard to get toward Ryzen
Probably what I'll end up doing if I'm no longer satisfied by the build (2nd case fan an absolute must then however). Thanks for the input.

>>60785401
looks like a breddy gud system, you didn't fall too hard with the i5 meme; I hear Cities Skylines can be quite demanding.

>>60785551
It's like Lego. You can't really fuck anything up if you don't force it. Be a bite careful with the CPU and the rest is basically bulletproof.

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>>60785454
Thanks, I'm willing to give up on that case, is there any company that undoubtedly makes good SFF cases?

I want a 2+ drive RAID 1 capable backup enclosure that isn't a piece of shit for under $150. Does it exist? All the ones I see have tons of negative reviews where windows will decide the drives aren't formatted and shit like that

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/YkPq2R

gaming, 5k budget, canada

photoshop, arma 3, rust, pubg, total war games, 1080p @ 144hz maybe upgrade to 4k in future

got a job and upgrading from an i3 w/ some ATLEAST 5 year old geforce video card, it's a sony vaio all in one from like 2011

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>>60785418
>CAD
I know that feel, unfortunately.
1060 w/ 6GB is alright for a mid level computer, though I'd recommend a 580 if you can find one or just wait™ for Vega.
The cooler for the R5 is bretty gud desu. Way better than what intel will give ya.
>EVGA
Good
>bronze
no. Supernova G2/G3 is GOAT.
>case
just get the cheapest case.
For storage I'd recommend getting as much as you can at the time of purchase and adding more as you need it. Maybe start with a 500gb SSD then add more as you need it.

>>60785614
edit: 5k OVERALL with monitor+keyboard etc

>>60785604
What style are you looking for? And which hardware needs to go in it? (drives internal, optical, cpu, dedicated gpu)? Budget?

>>60785280
it was in stock for a long time considering the deal and 4 per person limit

>>60785580
yeah. The thing PSUs is that they are most efficient around 50% load so it's best to stick with half of what your PC will use. According to PCpartpicker this PC will draw 285w so 550W is right at the sweetspot. Again you can

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x3XrBP
>switch to canada
>it becomes 1200 maple money
and i thought we had it bad

>>60785553
710 goes for around 30-40, that a decent deal?
Seems like the gpu market is inflated right now

>>60785591
>install the motherboard standoffs/posts in the case
Sorry, could you explain this further? I'm pretty nooby. Also, if I do this >>60785247 for grounding is it ok? I would have to wait another 4 days for the wristband to ship..

>>60785418
>Gigabyte Motherboard
All B350 Gigabyte motherboards are shit, get the ASRock Pro4 or any MSI except Gaming Pro
>750W with that build
Get a 550W with better quality like the EVGA GS/GQ or just search for PSU Tiers on google

>>60785586
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0JC-0004-00551
here you go anon. Since you're going for 1080 you should be getting something with g-sync

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>>60785614
>7700k
pic related.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/V3J4QV

>>60785637
Get an HD 5750 if you can find one, much better than the 710

Anyone here have the B350 Tomahawk? How is it?

>>60785592
Cities: Skylines is really demanding when you make any sort of progress. The i5 is good for any other genre of game but strategy and sim is where I find it falls flat on its face.

>>60785645
>wristband
Just touch the case my negro...

>>60785667
>https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0JC-0004-00551

fuck that's a lot dude

>>60785629
$500ish, definitely something small that doesn't take much more surface than a ps4, i'm willing to go with a cube since those look pretty good.

Eventually I'll get a gpu for it but it probably won't be very high end. I just want to play the atelier games on steam which don't really seem to have very high system requirements.

>>60785645
Standoffs are what the motherboard rests on. If you don't mount the mobo on the standoffs you'll let the smoke out.

>>60785696
cities skylines is one of my games. Was wondering if a Ryzen 5 1600 would deal with it better?
Just wondering if the R5 1600 would be fine or if I should step up to like a 1700.

>>60785730
by 500 i mean, for the entire build, not the case obviously.

>>60785724
Drop your windows for $130 then you can get a monitor that is
>2016 model
>1440p
>165hz
>g-sync
All things considered it's amazing how they sell that shit for $400

You can skip that expensive as fuck liquid cooling and settle for a little cheaper air alternative, as well as go for a cheaper motherboard unless it has some features that you know you'll use.

>>60785561
Use the money from the Windows 10 ($30 on kinguin) and cooler (stock one is good, not worth spending $100 extra) to upgrade from 1080 to 1080ti, you are getting 20%+ in performance.
Maybe even change the motherboard to a B350, as long as its not from Gigabyte you are good, overclocking is decent enough in all the other motherboards

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>>60785714
nearly every modern case is painted inside and out.

What's the capacity of a few bits of sheet metal to safely dissipate electrostatic buildup, anyway?

>>60785645
I'd wait on the static strap... but, it's your gamble to make. The chance of actually causing damage is low. The cost of that damage is very high if it happens.

When you get your case, install these in the motherboard screw holes, then screw the motherboard onto them. This prevents the solder points on the back of the motherboard from shorting against the case

>>60785680
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/V3J4QV
1080ti for 1080p gaming... lol you fucks are retarded. how can you throw out a 7700k and offer up a 1080ti for 1080p gaming. enough of this fucking retardation.

>>60785604
Lian Li PC-Q19 is one that uses an SFF PSU but smaller GPUs.
I forgot the Node 202 actually fits an SFX one, doesn't it? So that's fine actually.
But both have the GPU flipped which is really bad for accustics. You want both fans facing away from you as that gives more case to muffle the sound.
Silverstone Milo ML07 is like the Node 202 but easier to work with, can fit more drives, is a bit easier to work with if you want to fangle in water cooling, and has dust filters IIRC.

Personally I'm using a Silverstone FT03 and I love that. It's an mATX case. Not ultra small, but ~1/3rd the size as your usual full tower.
There is the mini version of the FT03 for mITX if you want something that has better air flow, sound dampening, and room to work with.
Or the EVGA Hadron Hydro which is a normal tower style mITX but still pretty small.

>>60785637
>$30 for a 710
Fuck no. That's a scam.
The 710 is half the performance of the iGPU in the G4560.
Are there no RX550, 1030, or 950?
Like can you browse craigslist for just the absolute cheapest GPU? If you're getting some 710 tier, it should be $5-$15.

>>60785685
5750 seem to be around $50 now. They're still pretty good for mining..

>>60785714
does the case have to be attached to a PSU grounded with this >>60785247 method or no

>>60785803
thank you, but if I don't build it tomorrow then I have to wait until next week because my schedule needs to align with a friend : ( does the PSU method not work? I'm using this case btw https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/Q9vZxr/phanteks-eclipse-p400s-tempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec416pstg_bw

>>60785743
From what I remember Cities: Skylines likes to have more cores. I suspect it's only running poorly for me because I'm using all that my cpu has to offer. I would load up an old save to take a screenshot but the recent update seems to have fucked my saves.
Found this video though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRB2iKR0ffE

>>60785730
Take a look at Lian Li and Silverstone. Always good quality and lots of mITX cases. If you want more style and integrated PSU the EVGA Hadron Air has a great layout and a DVD slot but is overpriced for the quality.
If money is tight you can always go with the classic Thermaltake Core V1 which is like 35 Dollares.

>>60785778
>b350

aren't these not really meant for overclocking?

also which model would you recommend?

>>60785820
the milo ml07 looks pretty good to be honest. I'll read a few reviews and maybe go with that. Thanks for your input!

>>60785724
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xpw2M8
ftfy

>>60785809
I didn't bother changing the monitor because I think it's more a matter of preference. Besides, it's ultra wide and 144Hz. That'll be about as taxing as a 16:9 1440p 60Hz monitor.

>>60785820
>RX550, 1030, or 950?
All selling over $50, if I'm gonna pay that much I'll just get a 1060 and put off getting a new gpu for a couple of years.
>Like can you browse craigslist for just the absolute cheapest GPU?
I live in a shit hole, only thing available is an rx460 for $100.

>>60785908
mATX
>ASRock B350M Pro4 (Most popular)
>MSI B350M (all except gaming pro)

ATX
>MSI B350 PC Mate (most popular here)
>MSI B350 (any other)
>Asus Prime B350 Plus (very good)
>ASRock AB350 Pro4

Just avoid the B350M from Gigabyte and Asus and from MSI the B350M Gaming pro.

>>60785911
The top 3 cases for my ITX build that didn't make the cut (went with the PC Q21) were the Hadron Air, the Jonsbo U1+ and UMX1 line and the Silverstone SG06. But the core v1 is just as good at a lower price. Throw in an i3 with ssd and you're set.

>>60785778
>kinguin

do you actually trust this shit lmao

>>60785778
>paying for wangblows
kmspico my dude

>>60785912
Is a $30 cooler really any better than the stock cooler? 1600 has a pretty decent one, he would just be throwing money.

>>60785993
Doesn't kinguin have an extra security option? You could just get a refund if it doesn't work.
I have been using a Windows 7 Ultimate key for years I bought for $27 and it still works.
If you don't want to pay anything just go to mydigitallife and get the Microsoft Toolkit

Hey /pcbg
so im looking to build a gaming PC, however i dont need to have 60 FPS on ultra 4k, i jsut want a modest 40-60 on med to high graphics on fairly demanding games.

I have come up with one build but id like to hear thoughts and feed back. Thanks guys!

The build: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/8kJq2R

>>60786031
>rx 570
who's gonna break the bad news?

Would getting a 1080 over 1080ti be a mistake?

>>60786039
Hopefully you senpai, im a scrub lord

>>60786041
no
>>60786045
they're globally out of stock, time for gtx 1060

>>60786018
>1600 stock cooler

yeah but how is it when it comes to overclocking

>>60786031
So, you have a decision to make.

Either wait a month to be able to actually buy a 570 online, because they're ALL fucking sold out.

Or get a 1060

>>60786031
You're going to want a 1500X minimum. And a 580 8gb. The extra RAM gives it much better 4k.
And 16gb RAM will do you well.

>>60786031
What the other anons said, but get some higher speed RAM. Ryzen likes the fast stuff

>>60786058
it's a 95w coooler on a 65w CPU. So, pretty good, you can get a few hundred Mhz at least

a $30 aftermarket isn't doing any better

>>60786065
I don't think he is actually building for 4K, he was just saying he doesn't need something insane

>>60786059
Guessing 570's are pretty good then, how the fuck can an entire gaming company be sold out of GPU's, madness. if i wait a month or two, (thats when im selling my current rig anyways) is there other options? as appose to the 1060

>>60785887
right, but the 1600 has 2 more cores than the i5.

>>60786087
people bought tons of them at once to put in mining rigs for ethereum

AMD's shader architecture is better for it

Nvidia no longer supports multi-card setups with more than 2 cards, while AMD still supports n-card crossfire

>>60786065
Extra RAM on the card* gives it better 4K performance.
You want 16GB of System RAM* Not the 2X 4gb sticks
>>60786082
fair enough. Still system RAM is a bonus. And the 1500X comes with a much better cooler, suited to overclocks. And has better base frequency? if you're not clocking.

>>60786058
3.8/3.9Ghz no problem with stock cooler

I ended up picking up a r7 1700 new for about $230 so I guess I'm building a new PC. I'm going to buy the asrock itx board when it comes out but I'll need to pick up some RAM eventually. Is getting this stuff at $107 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144929 a terrible idea? Should I wait? Should I spend a bit more and get a different brand or faster memory?

I plan on using this PC for gaming and encoding primarily for at least a few years. Thanks for the help.

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About to pull the trigger on a EVGA SuperNova T2 1000W because I have autism, I need my 1080ti build to be silent and it is supposedly passive up to like 600W loads.

Any reason I shouldn't buy it and should get something else?

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>>60786081
>>60786103
>>60786065
>>60786059
So different RAM cards, the 1500x for the CPU and ill wait a month or so for the 570.

The highest i can put my budget is £750 (GBP)
so what adjustments would you make?

>>60786099
2 more cores but 8 more logical processes. I think it would that would significantly help performance in sim/strategy games. A 1700 would be even better but I'm not sure by how much. Tech reviewers rarely do strategy/sim benchmarks

>>60786141
>Tech reviewers rarely do strategy/sim benchmarks
I've noticed. which is a shame to me since I can not stand FPS games and adore sim games.

>>60785778
Whats wrong with Gigabyte motherboards?

>>60786157
>>60786141

It's a shame how under-represented the strat/sim community is to be honest

>>60786162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrxhf_xZWI

>>60786137
Get a better SSD, dont buy 120GB SSDs.

>>60786178
Suppose its just not big enough?

>>60786137
if you're waiting a month anyway, you can probably get 16GB 3200 ram for closer to $110, a case of similar quality for ~$15 less, and you could drop the HDD and re-use a current disk until more money is available

>>60786186
120gb SSDs are usually half the speed or slower of higher capacity drives

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>>60786186
Crucial MX300 series are pretty good, i can highly recommend 275gb version myself.

>>60786186
For OS and fundamental programs? yes.
Anything else? No.

Still its not a big enough problem, but a good enough.
120GB SSDs are gimped versions which are slower and last less.

WD SSDs are just rebranded Sandisk SSDs, also dont buy SSDs with 2D NAND.
Look for SU800 or 850 EVO.

>>60786178
This

>>60786186
cheaper SSDs are also very slow compared to even just 250GB models

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>>60786190
Any suggestion on cards, was thinking of dropping my old HDD as its total trash, full of junk and slow as shit, its a 1tb 7200 seagate

>>60786193
so 250 samsung?

>>60786228
>>60786205
>>60786202

Forget the SSD guys just found a load in the mysterybox.

Theyre cruscial, whats the advantage of that brand?

>>60786228
all the speed critical stuff will be running off the SSD anyway, and dban will fix the "full of junk" part

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tz4fgL
Itching to start ordering parts, this is a good build?

>>60786228
ASRock is known for motherboards that have problems in the long run, but i cant say anything about their AMD line.
>>60786237
850 EVO is the gold standard when it comes to SATA SSDs.
Crucial is good, but not the best.

>>60786244
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tz4fgL
upgrade to 16gb ram

>>60786256
That's what I have, you don't mean a single stick do you?

>>60786251
However free modules and parts are the best, and there's two of them so ill just use one to save the cash, so the build i got here, will this do what i ask?

>Hey /pcbg
so im looking to build a gaming PC, however i dont need to have 60 FPS on ultra 4k, i jsut want a modest 40-60 on med to high graphics on fairly demanding games.

I have come up with one build but id like to hear thoughts and feed back. Thanks guys!

>>60786275
Oh shit i misread it man, sorry

>need a new gfx card
>running an old 6950

what is solid enough for 1080p gaymen around 120hz

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fqjVQV

Any opinions or improvements?

>>60786289
rx580 but not available now. Go for 1060 6gb

>>60786296
Christ dude thats a mighty build
looks good to me but i dont think theres a need for a $100 cup cooler, maybe downgrade

>PC Building General
>nobody even makes their own PCs
>they just assemble the premanufactured pieces

If you don't even mine your own transistors and solder them into CPUs then you need to GTFO

>>60786296
Just realising how much Brits get fucked on pricing. Two 1080ti's alone would cost 1400GBP, i.e. 1800USD.

>>60786303
what about a 1070 or is that an overkill?

>>60786358
Thats what you get when your country is full of fucking muslims

What monitor would you recommend that's around $150-$200?

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Hey guys, looking to make a new Ryzen gaming build, is any of my current rig (which is fucking god-awful by the way) even salvageable?

what is the absolute cheapest fucking build that can play 1080p content and is NOT a raspberry pi?

>>60786425
HDD, DVD, thats it.

>>60786296
>7700k
dumb trapposter

>>60786409
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mWV48d/benq-monitor-gl2460hm

>>60786431
refurb optiplex with a new(ish) gpu

>>60786436
FFffffffFFfFffUUUuuuUuUuUccCCccckKkCKK
im so fucking poor for fuck sake

>>60786425
The optical drive and the Winblows license. That's it. Ryzen motherboards with have DDR4 and you shouldn't cheap out on a power supply after dropping so much on the rest. Goes without saying your video card sucks.

anyone know a good wifi adapter?

>>60786492
>wifi adapter
use ethernet you pleb

>>60786244
Looks alright. Not sure about that PSU though

Since /mkg/ is ded:

Which is better the Corsair K70 Cherry Red or the Corsair K70 Cherry MX Speed Rapidfire?

>>60786483
Thanks senpai

>>60786492
the d-link AC1200 has worked alright for me. But yeah, ethernet my man

>>60786510
What's wrong with it? Overkill? I thought EVGA was reputable.
Wanted something fully modular for cable management.

>>60786522
the cheaper one

>>60786522
Are you retarded?

>>60786536
EVGA and Corsair, like many brands, are a little hit or miss on their PSUs primarily because their cheaper models are relatively shitty while their (more) expensive models are generally good/great.

>>60786528
I need a wifi adapter for my desktop...

>>60786541
What's wrong with the question?

>>60786563
What should I go for on the lower end, Seasonic?

>>60786536
EVGA (have a 750G2) is reputable, but I'm not sure about the NEX series. I'd go with a EVGA G2 or the newer EVGA G3. 650W is honestly as low as I'd go with a PSU.
Regarding the power, sometimes with anything lower than 650w lower quality parts may be used.
>>60786573
I know what you mean.
http://www.dlink.com/uk/en/products/dwa-582-wireless-ac1200-dual-band-pci-express-adapter

>>60786596
EVGA 650W G2.
Read up on jonnyguru

>>60786596
Seasonic is generally safe, so that is what you will see recommend most.

Other brands can have perfectly good options, but you should research them on a case-by-case basis rather than relying on the brand itself.

>>60786613
Think I'm gonna go with that one, seems solid enough, thanks!

Best 240gb SSDs for a reasonable price?

>>60786725
To be on the safe side use the tester they they include to make sure it doesn't blow up on it's first power up. PSUs will mostly either die on the first power up or live forever

is amd making new apu's sometime soon? really want to make a poorfag build

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Should I buy a 1080ti now or wait for something else?

>>60786872
They'll probably come out after Vega. They're definately making them though.

>>60786874
wait for vega :^)

>>60786874
Wait for Vega. Unless you must have a card right now. 1080ti will still be the best card in the market. Waiting for Vega just opens up your options.

asrock ab350 fatal1ty k4 or gigabyte b350 gaming 3?

>>60786988
>>60786942
Whens it coming?

>>60787008
End of July is the announcement.
Available in August.
Aftermarket in 1-2 months.

>>60786993
Gigabyte

>>60786874
Since you're considering it, I assume it's in your price range, in which case go for it. No point waiting for something that might be better in a few months just to get tempted again at that point to wait for another few months for something even better when the 1080ti will be an excellent card for years.

If I get a 1060 6gb now, how long will I be able to play 1080p on high settings?

>>60786993
I have not heard good things (on this board) about the gigabyte. The pro 4 has been recommended often. Make sure that it supports your memory.

Noob here, I think I've found my mobo

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16813157746

My question is my case has 4 usbs and 2 audio jacks in front. Do those plug into the motherboard as well? So i get those usbs and the usbs on the motherboard?

>>60787235
1 year

>>60787263
The motherboard has USB headers, which you plug in the usb cables from the case into.

What's a good 1060 GPU? I'm currently looking at the (expensive) Asus Strix.

>>60787050
>>60786993
Avoid Gigabyte and get ASRock, Gigabyte sucks for B350 at least, shitty VRM and heatsink solution.

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>>60787263
They plug into the mainboard

>>60787278
Woof, I was hoping I would be dissuaded away from my instinct to get a pos gpu for $50 bucks and get a Vega early next year.

>>60787278
>>60787343
>>60787235
1080p on high settings I would say 2 years, Ultra settings are a meme so forget about them.

here's my micro-dick build lmao https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tzghNN

but in all seriousness, i have some generic Gigabyte mobo, an intel core i3-3210, a GTX 750Ti and 10 GB of DDR3. What should i upgrade first? Keep in mind that the next time i have money is in september, and it's only $40. I should be able to scrape together $140 through birthday money in November, and if i wait till after christmas, that SHOULD increase to $190 at least.

What's the cheapest ****silent*** ATX case right now? I've got about 80bux

>>60787329
So this only has one usb 3.0 header? My case has two of each :/

Any recommendations for a good CPU for single-core tasks and games? I have a 4770k right now but it struggles with some older software that can't leverage its multiple cores.

>>60787382
Micro ATX

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Which 1080ti is best?

The Gigabyte Aurous or whatever it's called looks fucking gay but it seems to have the best cooler other than the Asus Strix, but the Asus Strix is crazy expensive where I live.

>>60787381
>Full tower
Why don't you just get a futuristic looking closet instead?

How long until 1080 becomes obsolete?

>>60787423
Two months when Vega comes out.

>>60787421
i think my brother got a full tower case for his build. he's planning on getting like, 2 1080tis in sli

>>60787388
What case? Two USB ports will merge into one connector for the mainboard. In any case either the case or mainboard manufacturer will provide a 3.0 to 2.0 conversion cable

should I get win 10 cause I just bought Ryzen R5 1600 cpu? or win 7 still good?

>>60787403
7600k and AIO cooler or Noctua NH-D15, and OC it ofc.
7350k is worthless, don't even think about it.

>>60787381
Get a 1050Ti, it's basically the 750ti in terms on power consumption but double the performance.
CPU is harder to upgrade since you probably would have to change the motherboard also, changing the GPU only is much easier.
That or just get a job and you should be able to buy a decent gaming PC that would blow that one out of the water, and for not much money (Even budget lower consumption Pentium G4560 + 1050ti + 8GB build would be triple the performance)

>>60787506
I have an in win 303. So both usb 3.0 ports will plug into one usb 3.0 header?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cTnRXH
What do you guys think of this? Planning on using it for gaymen/streamin' and other sorta-intensive stuff. Ignore the lack of GPU, since the rx 570/580 470/480 are out of stock right now, i'm buying a r9 290x from my bud second hand until I can replace it with VEGA or whatever is best down the road. No case either until the last second when I am totally sure what parts I'll have, but if you have a recommendation already then let me know. I'm just looking for USB 3.0 front facing, a decent amount of airflow, and room for at least 2 HDDs and a SSD.
Besides all of that I already know the ryzen works best with fast ram, which I got. Anything else I missed or is it OK to pull the trigger?

>>60787586
desu i'm pretty heavily mentally disabled, so the only job i can work is running conventions with my mom. and that doesn't pay well enough for a gaming pc. but hey, at least i can max out warframe at 1080p, AND run melee in dolphin at 4k so...

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>>60787618
Oh, I forgot to add that I am not planning on gaming past 1080p 120hz, and streaming 720p 30fps if that matters.

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>>60787595
Yes. It'll be like pic related. The two USB 3.0 will connect to the mainboard with the fat USB3.0 connector. The USB 2.0 will use the 2.0 connector.
Make sure you read the instruction manual when you assemble it

>>60787657
Makes sense thank you. I was just looking at the wires in my case and they are labeled. Things are starting to come together.

My mobo looks like it only has two fan headers, I need 6 fans so what do i do about that?

For the heatsink i was looking at a corsair h60 120mm. Does this plug into the mobo as well?

>>60787782
There are 4 fan headers (that I see) on that board. One at the top, one in the middle, and two at the bottom. With an H60 (specifically the pump) you only need to plug it into a mainboard fan header. The case should come with a fan hub/controller where you could plug in your various case fans. This would be powered by either a molex or a SATA power connector. In the event it doesn't have a fan hub/controller you can buy one (NZXT makes some) and use it to power your fans.

>go to buy 1080ti
>card gets declined

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>60787635
Wish some company would make a new datahand.

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>>60787944
>poorfags with bad credit
:^)

>>60787964
>having a credit card at all
:/

Ok /g/ i may have fucked up here either that or i dont know what i am doing.
I just installed my new GTX 1050 and had to get a new HDMI cable (it only has one of the DVi ports which is what i was using up until now).
When i changed my screen to accept HDMI signal it just goes black... Help?

>>60787964
>animefags with gay crossdressing fantasies
:^)

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>>60787618
>>60787635
please respond

>>60787618
mobo is shit, and cooler is shit (you're better off with stock cooler, sort of at least).

>>60787618
Gigabyte is shit so get ASRock B350 Pro4 or Asus AB350 Prime or any ATX B350 MSI card.
Don't bother buying the 212 evo since stock cooler is already decent and the 212 might even be worse, and you are spending extra money.
Get 240GB SSD (120GB performs worse) instead with the money you saved from not buying the 212 evo.

>>60787982
Does the system post without the GPU in it?

>>60788009
Looks alright. Try getting a 250GB 850 EVO instead. If you're not planning on OCing drop the cooler and use the stock one. Gigabyte is meh with B350. Reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrxhf_xZWI Everything else looks ok.

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>>60788006
>projecting
(^:

>>60788045
You wouldn't believe it but I fixed it without any prior knowledge. I went into bios and changed the primary display thing.
If that is bad please tell me.

>>60787939
Woot thank you. I think my list is finally complete.

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Just bought this because my 980Ti and Seasonic PSU are pieces of shit which don't work and I'm too impatient for them to get back from their RMA's.

How did I do?

>>60788084
You're welcome. Best of luck and don't fuck up

>>60788073
>I went into bios and changed the primary display thing
???

I'm planning on buying AMD 5 1600 CPU, do I need to buy an aftermarket CPU cooler like the Cryorig M9a or is the stock AMD CPU cooler fine? I'm not going to overclock the CPU, just use it for gaming sometimes.

>>60788122
it's fine. Pretty much every stock cooler is fine for non OC applications.

>>60788071
>has to resort to no u because he knows he's a degenerate homo
:^)

>>60788138

Alright, thank you.

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>>60788161
What makes you think I'm a homo? Why are you projecting so much???

>>60788176
why are you so triggered about being called a homo? is it cuz u know ur a feminine pervert fag?

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>>60788186
>feminine pervert fag?
What did you mean by this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xWvNHN
how is this?

>>60788215
Not bad, but just suck it up and get a 1TB SSD. Assuming you're using that system for gaming, games these days are fuckhuge, like 50GB fuckhuge. Considering the space ate up by Windows and the reserve space, that 480GB SSD is more like a 400GB SSD, thats like four games.

You could just compliment in with a hard drive but you'll regret it when you see the speed difference between what you have on your SSD and whats on the HDD.

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>>60788269
Ah nevermind I didn't see you added a 3TB harddrive.

Still personally would consider a 1TB SSD.

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>>60788040
>>60788058
If the performance on the 120gb ssd isn't that good, i'll happily spend a little more on 240gb. Also I DO plan on overclocking to 3.8ghz , so I should stick with the cooler right? Even if the stock cooler is the greatest shit ever, I'd still think it'd be an upgrade to go for the 212.
Also, I changed the motherboard. How is it now?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DgCRXH

>>60788101
>Advanced settings
>Primary Display
>changed to PCIE-2

>>60787403
>Silverstone SG06.
Overclock the 4770k more...? Skylake and Kabylake are hardly better. Not even 10%.

>>60787975
Having a credit card and paying it off is good for your credit score.

>>60788321
Should be PCIE-3 unless your setup is old as shit. Doesn't really matter though.

Probably what happened was your BIOS was set to use onboard graphics, hence the lack of display when you put a GPU in.

>>60788418
>credit score
Why would I want a good credit score if I'm never going to use credit?

>>60788458
Then why do you still keep that box of condom if you are never going to use it?

When do new cases come out?

>>60788490
Why would you buy new and unproven casing. It is not like cases have new technology that make them better.

>>60788490
fractal announced some at computex
some other companies probably did too

what should be the next three moves to make for my current build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/syyn4C

>>60788481
Rude.

>>60788522
Looks like a rather new build save the GPU. So new GPU.

>>60788568
nevermind i take back everything i said i didn't realise it was the CURRENT build
can't delete post yet ;_;

>>60788568
Nah this is what I'm currently using right now...

I'm looking to see what my upgrade path would be aside from gpu.

>>60788519
>It is not like cases have new technology that make them better.
Is this your first year in computer world?

We've gone from having a single clunky intake at the bottom, with absolutely no cable management. Into now, most cases having space for 2-3 120mm intake fans at the front, with streamlined airflow to the GPU and CPU, with rubber grommets and space on the back panel for cable management.

>>60788562
Yeah?

GTX 1070 or wait for Volta?

Why is Windows 10 Home shit and not Pro? Well that's what I usually see on here. What's the difference? What makes one better than he other?

>>60788593
1080ti or wait for Volta/VEGA

>>60788601
Windows 10 is shit.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LqVv7h
any suggestion?

>>60788610
Another GPU

>>60788618
why?

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Does anyone happen to have any experience with the ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4? Was interested in purchasing it alongside an 8 gig kit of Corsair Vengeance LPX and noticed it wasn't listed on the support QVL list.

>>60788622
Cause you won't find 570 in stock till August or at best mid July.

>>60788639
aside from that issue, is there any problem?
i don't plan to buy it immediately

>>60786459
you can still use the GPU and save up money as time goes on

>>60788650
None. But if you are waiting that long might as well see what Vega has to offer.

>>60788610
can save money on SSD by going non-samsung
That's an expensive Fractal R4 you got there, $110 is usually the price of the R5.
I'd personally drop the CPU cooler (it isn't that much better than the stock one, not worth the price) and up to an RX 580 / GTX 1060 6GB instead

>>60788650
you will want another GPU right away if you plan on assembling it all together the moment you have all the parts, because Ryzen are not APUs, they don't come with integrated graphics
if you can find a cheap Fury for 250 price range or even the nano, you'll be set

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>>60788609
Is that all you can say though? You give no explanation as to why. I just want to know the reasons.

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>be me
>make a few thousand on crypto
>roommate is big into PC gaming, has like a 5 year old shitty rig
>constantly playing shit walking simulators or the latest graphics bullshit fps
>I decide to sling together a build with SLI 1080Ti's in a windowed case
>have literally zero interest in games, did it only to piss my roommate off
>occasionally play dirt 3 or something shit for like 10 minutes

Anyone else do this?

>>60788682
poor bait, anon!

>>60788718
congrats on wasting your money

>>60788687
It's shit.

>>60788661
>>60788679
thanks i'll wait and see for vega
>>60788671
>can save money on SSD by going non-samsung
what do you suggest?
>That's an expensive Fractal R4 you got there, $110 is usually the price of the R5.
thanks

>>60788735
MX300 from Crucial

>>60788718
Thats fucking stupid

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>>60788319
please respond

>>60788458
So you can get a loan from the bank to buy a house.

>>60788761
going 550w 80+ bronze for PSU is perfectly fine if you can make big saving in there
otherwise is good

>>60788731
How is it wasting money?

>>60788735
dont get a mx300, theres crucial shills itt and every other pcg thread. It performs worse that a fair few ssds

>>60788797
inb4 sandisk or kingston
those are crap and more crap

>>60788735
Crucial™ make great SSD's dude, I'd go with them.

>>60788806
they are crap, but its crucial you dont fall for the crucial shills

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JzjrBP
Any suggestions or input on pic related?

>>60788935
>1 dimm of ram
You didn't even try, did you?

what exactly do processors do? Should I upgrade mine?

>>60789025
Process.
No.

>>60789025
it's complicated
maybe, what do you have and what do you use your computer for?

>>60788520
fractal announced utter crap. a refresh of their budget atx towers.
in general the computex was really disappointing in regards to cases.
Budget plastic bombers with RGB strips plastered all over it like fairy dust on a pile of shit.

Only interesting announcement are the in Win cases with their wood finish and the phanteks shift towers

Competently rebuilding my PC from the ground up after this summer ends (September). Hopefully Vega is out by then and I can compare it to the 1080 Ti, I'm trying to get a card that can handle 1440p/165hz at Medium - High. Is it worth going for these high end cards, or should I fall for the Wait™ maymay

I was thinking along the lines of this (aside from GPU, cooler, and case): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WBdhNN
I'm thinking of doing a custom loop, otherwise I would like to go for a high end air cooler but ram clearance is an issue. I'll probably end up getting an AIO or something.

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>>60789092
>ryzen

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i have a 75€ budget (france, cannot go a single penny over), and i'm trying to get a cooler for my R7 1700. I intend to overclock it the most i can, and i intend this cooler to last for years. I am very sensitive about noise too.

what cooler would you guys recommend for this? There's a lot of coolers that can fit in this budget (Noctua NH-D14, U12S, U9B SE2, Be quiet! Dark Rock 3, Be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3, cryorig H5, cryorig CR-H5B)

At first i was considering a U9B SE2, but $50 for 120mm fans (when i already have one 140mm fan that i can use for it) kinda annoys me. I'm currently looking at the Noctua NH-D14 because it comes with two 140mm fans and i can slap a third one on it (it's currently used as a case fan but i'm getting too much intake thanks to it so airflow isn't that great within the case: 3x 140mm intake 1x 140mm exhaust), so slapping it on the NH-D14 might be a better idea

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xJXwf8

I'm in the US. Goal is 1440p 144hz in any upcoming titles that may grab my attention as I know it will be capable of that in what I currently play.
Chose the case, cpu cooler, extra fans, aand motherboard in hopes of maintaining a 24/7 overclock on the 7700k. Fast ram was picked because two games I plan to play a lot scale well with it.
The hard drives are going in raid.

>>60789214
165 hz***

>>60789205
Phanteks PH-TC14PE is somewhere around that price, not sure exactly. Keeps my piece of shit 3570K at 1.3v 4.5ghz under 90C. Even put smaller 120mm Corsair fans on it because I didn't like the way the 140mm ones it comes with looked.

Should I start mining Etherium?

>>60789293
Crypto mining usually isn't worth it at a small scale unless you have free or subsidized power.

>>60789335
Well I do stay in a dorm.

>>60789336
In that case go for it. But you may want to keep an eye out for new cryptocurrencies to start mining right away while they're the most profitable. Whatever you do avoid the market risk of holding coins for a long time when you could have a guaranteed profit instead.

>>60789384
I only have a 290x tho.
Time to build a DIY rig to mine. Lets see if I can get another 290x to xfire with.

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>>60788991
It really doesn't matter on a build this cheap

>>60789424
Yeah for the money side of it /biz/ is basically the mining board.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9Z7NHN

How's this for a budget PC?
Parts are limited to those that are currently in stock at my local store, and so far everything's in-stock.
This is for daily work (photoshop mostly), windows.
Thanks

>>60789556

>>60788991

>>60789556
change the memory to a 2x4gb kit. Unless you plan to add in a second 8GB stick later, having 2 sticks to make use of the dual channel memory is better
Also, change the power supply to a semi-modular or modular model from a brand people have heard of. The PSU is the most likely component to fail so you really don't want to cheap out here. Seasonic and EVGA are king of the hill when it comes to PSUs. You also want something 80+ Bronze or better unless you like paying more for electricity. Efficiency matters.
Beyond that, what case?

>>60789556
listen to what anons said above, also pick mobo with 4 dimm slots so you can easily upgrade in the future

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>>60789600
Thanks m8.
The 1x8GB is so I have rooms to add another stick(s) later, come to think of it, 90% it'll never happen.
The FSP PSU is recommended by the store owner, has a 80+ rating too. Also about 5-10$ more expensive than avg. No EVGA and Seasonic here, lots of Taiwanese brand. (am a SEA scrub)
Case will be SADES brand although no idea which one, about 30$.

>>60789671
What? Seasonic is a fucking Taiwan company.

>>60789772
my bad. Yes there is. Seems more expensive but will def look into it.

>>60789820
Being cheap with a PSU is literally the most stupid move people do. And yet people still do it all the time.

>>60789824
It's really funny cause a friend of mine helped me build my PC and when we were looking for parts, he saw a power supply for $80. Then saw it was a 650w he than haggled it down to $40.
I didn't realise what he'd done. But still going good 6 years later.

>>60789820
They're more expensive for a fucking reason. There's an old saying that applies here.
You get what you pay for.

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this seems like a good deal

>>60784279
Is 2gb at 89 a better buy for a rx560 than a 1050ti? How does 4gb vs 2gb compare.

>>60790078
You want the 4GB models. The 2GB models will tank in gaming.

>>60790090
Which brand?

>>60790120
doesn't matter

>>60790569
>>60790569
>>60790569