/retro/ - retro, vintage, old computers and tech

>>60767122
nice going starting off a new thread with dubs!
let me recap some shit from the old thread

the xbox dev kit shit
>>60767004
>>60767049

list of youtube videos of destroying old hardware
>>60763205

>>60767203
>the xbox dev kit shit
>list of youtube videos of destroying old hardware
You just have to rub it in, dontya?

>>60767203
>list of youtube videos of destroying old hardware
WHY

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>>60767150
>>60767215
The BEST part was that he didn't know he could easily get a dual 1080 SLI system easily with a 4k monitor and everything if he would have just sold it instead of wrecking it and building he's GeForce 700 system into it.

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I found a relatively visible pic of my station, yay~

Update on the floppy drive and the Ethernet MAU: I've bought both and the drive has already been shipped. Thanks again to the generous anon that donated.

>>60767286
I like your new shelving

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>>60767267
TOO MUCH!

>>60767286
Nice anon! Can't wait for the next update!

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I sexually identify as retro technology

>>60767336
I identify as a Commodore 1541, slide that floppy dik in me bb

>>60767336
>a-anon.. i'm just a betamax player! th-that VHS tape is t-too big!

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>>60767367
topkek

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time to see what this motherfu*cker is all about

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>>60767305
Thank you!
That old kid's room shelving I had before just didn't cut it anymore. It was quite hard to say goodbye to it, though, since it used to belong to my uncle and then to my mother, and I had been using it for a good 10 years. My uncle actually got it back and is using it right now, which makes me feel warm inside.
>>60767330
:3

>>60767122
Why did they make the PS/2 first and then the PS/1?

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>>60767397
>board swapped
gay

>>60767457
>VESA
Muh dicc

>>60767397
Oh, I love guts reveals!

>>60767457
That doesn't look all that bad! It even has VESA slots!

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>>60767457
well it's not the virgin 386SX I was hoping for but at least it's not another Pentium-133

there's hope for this one yet

>>60767521
>sticker between the heatsink and cpu
kek, some things never change

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>>60767591
Kek, at least for the DX4 the sticker would not change the thermals at all, like it would on a modern CPU.

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>>60767521
CPU PR0N!

>>60767629
they can get pretty hot, but not to the same extent as modern cpu's, no
you could probably even get away with no thermal paste on a DX4-100, though i can't say i'd recommend it

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>>60767475
can't complain at the price and I would have saved it anyway, just needs to be swapped into an appropriate setup with something a little better than a 40 MB stepper drive and a shitty 8-bit VGA controller

kind of a strange mix of hardware, might have even been a 286-16 originally

>>60767654
Yup, had a Compaq laptop with a 486DX4 100MHz and it only had a slab of thin aluminium (aluminum for the nutcrackers out there) sheet with paste for cooling. Never had any problems.

>>60767661
>shitty 8-bit VGA controller
>tfw I've been looking for one for my XT and this guy calls it "shitty"

>>60767716
"one man's trash..."

for a DX4-100 box it's unsuitably low end

>>60767716
EGA is bestiest for XT though, you have to upgrade your monitor too with a VGA card
There are cards with both TTL EGA/CGA/MDA and VGA outputs on the same card, but can't display VGA over the 9pin TTL connection

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Now to find a fucking ADB keyboard, I lost mine. Apparently, there are some pretty snazzy drive emulators for the Apple ][ series. Not pictured is the apple dot matrix printer. Got all that for 10 dollars.

I don't have a monitor that will support that comodore. The Panasonic pictured is stuck in PAL mode and I have no idea why.

I also have a buttload of Sun4 and Sun4m systems at my dad's; a few IBM PS/2s.

>>60767762
>EGA is bestiest for XT though
I know, I'd set it up as a secondary display adapter. I don't even know how I would go about configuring it in DOS, though.

>>60767765
Pretty darn comfy, for the ADB keyboard, nothing eBay can't provide.
For the IIgs, networking and a hard drive would probably be the best, drive emulators are for lazy people.

You can use any composite/s-video screen with the Commodore 64.
If that's a NTSC C64, they can be converted to PAL too with a few replacement parts.

>>60767805
>I know, I'd set it up as a secondary display adapter. I don't even know how I would go about configuring it in DOS, though.
Manually. You'd have to deactivate one card to use the other. Maybe a switch.
There was software that supported a secondary MDA screen, but not VGA and EGA.

PCs didn't have official support for dual displays back then.

>>60767661

>VESA
>80286

No, not at all. VESA is a 32bit bus.

What is significantly more likely is that it was a 486DX4 system from the getgo. The owner just couldn't afford better graphics and sound, so they just shoved in 16 bit ISA cards.

Your youthful ignorance is showing.

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and it was all worth it just for this immaculate shitbrick

>>60767716
but let's be real here, by 1991 this was definitely not a top-end part, kind of surprised to even see one in a system this new, even one that's basically scraping the bottom of the barrel

know the feeling though, I looked for an 8-bit card forever when I got my first XT, they do come up

>>60767873
i think what he meant was the mobo/cpu was upgraded, but the rest not

>>60767898
>>60767873
--oh, the haphazard cpu installation backs this up as well, imo

>>60767716
>>60767877
There are probably 16-bit ISA VGA cards that work in 8-bit slots. Just slower.
Network, sound and even very rarely drive controller cards do.

>>60767871
>PCs didn't have official support for dual displays back then.
They did. You can officially configure an XT to take dual graphics adapters via the DIP switches on the board.

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>>60767877
>and it was all worth it just for this immaculate shitbrick
all PATA/IDE hard drives where made obsolete for retro machines after CF cards and adapters became cheap

>>60767765
>hamfest pull
the last time I went to a hamfest all I saw were a bunch of radios and antennas

where's all the good stuff?

>>60767919
I know, I have a Sound Blaster 16 and a VESA floppy/serial/parallel/IDE (though IDE does not work) controller in my XT. 16-bit graphics adapters that work in 8-bit slots are a lot harder to find.

>>60767955
Source?

IIRC all you could have is MDA (CGA thus also) with a EGA card.
MDA/CGA didn't also map memory the same way as EGA, you didn't even need to configure it.
It was entirely up to the software if it supported it.

Maybe it was also possible to have two MDA cards, but then one did need to be remapped, highly doubtful though, as they used conventional memory for their buffer. If there was any, then 3rd party.
Never seen any information about that though, so please show me if you do know.

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My old shit

>>60768017
It's shit alright.....jk

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>>60767847

Well, my current problem is that I currently do not own any analog NTSC/PAL accepting monitors that work. That panasonic supports both but is stuck in PAL.

Funnily enough, the IIGS RGB out works on one of my LCD colorgrading monitors using a Macintosh to VGA converter, even though it's not supposed to. VGA at 640 is supposed to have a 32kHz horizontal sync, and the IIGS uses a 15kHz. The monitor reports out of range if you turn it on or it comes on detecting a signal... but if you cycle through the inputs and land back on VGA, it just works. Very bizarre.

Networking is planned, as is a memory expansion. The internal is bare.

>>60767910

No, you dingus. The 80286 had a fucking 24 bit address bus and 16bit data bus. The 80386 and 80486 had 32bit address and data buses.

The fucking 80286, 80386, and 80486 were not pin compatible! At all! You couldn't just "swap" CPUs like that. You would fucking fry the CPUs!

Please note, this is the pin layout for all 80486 CPUs!

>>60767654
Did DX4s get that hot? Never had any first hand experience with one, but none of my systems up to and including my Pentium 100 had any paste; only the heatsink, and a tiny fan in the case of the Pentiums.

>>60768042
>The fucking 80286, 80386, and 80486 were not pin compatible!
that's why i said cpu AND MOBO

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>>60768042

cont

Not only does the 80486 have an extra "key" pin, the voltage lines are in locations that are not compatible with older processors!

>>60768042
>VGA at 640 is supposed to have a 32kHz horizontal sync, and the IIGS uses a 15kHz. The monitor reports out of range if you turn it on or it comes on detecting a signal... but if you cycle through the inputs and land back on VGA, it just works.
Yeah, some monitors use controllers that support more then documented or even intended.
Keep that monitor also safe, they are hard to find, even if it's new.

>The 80386 and 80486 had 32bit address and data buses.
386SX had a 16-bit bus!

>>60768062

Nice backpeddle

>>60768055
Define hot, I'd say they would work fine without any paste, but heatsink for sure though.

In retrospect, paste is always good, so is a heatsink even if it officially does not require it.

>>60768088

>the 80386SX

Yes, but it's the redheadded step child that used alternating clock cycles like the 8086 and 80186 to get full bus width (go look at their whacky pin outs); and no one likes them.

>>60768055

...I ran an AMD K6 266MHz for a few years without a heatsink. Not recommended, but you can definitely do it.

>>60768055
hot enough to need a heatsink, not quite hot enough to need a fan unless it was a small heatsink
newest cpu i used without paste was a pentium 133
adding paste never hurts though, i don't believe any of these cpus have temperature protection, so it's best to err on the side of caution

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>>60767873
>Your youthful ignorance is showing.
yeah, coming from the guy who actually thinks people were still buying fucking 8-bit video controllers and 40 MB stepper drives almost into 1996, jesus fuck you make my blood boil

it's a board swap, dude, all of the I/O and drives are dated 1991 while the modem is dated 1993 and the board 1995, this shit happened all the time, and nobody with the money to throw at a brand new DX/4-100 box even when it was lower-mid range kit in 1995 was stuffing ancient bottom of the barrel shit from four years ago in it, especially not the fucking hard disks

even the exterior is a dead giveaway, if you actually knew dick and weren't just roleplaying you'd pick up on the grey bezeled drives that are a generally good indicator that we're looking at something from the early '90s (though sometimes you did see them up until around 1995, but they weren't as common in my own experience)

>>60767919
most Tridents do from my memory as do some of the OTI cards I think, only ever had to mess with that once or twice

>>60767957
boring

>>60767227
some people seem to dislike beige

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>>60767510
Academics still can't grasp the true form of Wittgenstein's philosophy.

>>60768150
yea, though in that case you can't just compare clocks with heat output (not saying you are, btw) since they aren't the same kind of cpu
for example, my 486DX2-66 had a heatsink (no fan), and got hot as shit
but a pentium 75 with no heatsink at all didn't get as hot

>>60768189

A Open is now known as ACER!

They weren't formed until 1996.

Step off, kid.

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>>60768257
damn you're right, so I set the upgrade a little too close to the date codes and it was actually done in 1996 which makes the post I replied to even more retarded

>>60768257
Then why do you imply it was a 486 system from the getgo? Makes no sense.

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>>60768250

Yeah, that is definitely the case. The K6 I had said it required a fan, but plenty of airflow over it kept it cool enough. I've ran a few DX2s without heatsinks. I have one DX4, but it's in a Compaq laptop, and I have never opened that thing up, so I have no idea what is going on inside and whether it has a heatsink or just the case fan.

>>60768189

The Case says AOpen. That's Acer. A BUDGET brand. AOpen didn't come around until 1996.

I'm >>60768127 >>60768099 >>60768042 >>60767873 >>60767765. I'm pretty sure I know more than you about this.

>>60768250
never seen someone run a Pentium without a heatsink

almost want to try it now

>>60768333
>I'm >>60768127 >>60768099 >>60768042 >>60767873 >>60767765. I'm pretty sure I know more than you about this.

If someone says that in a /retro/ thread they are usually a dumbass narcissist.
Not the original anon you replied to btw.

>>60768318

Why are there still shitty celerons and older architectures for sale new? Backstock, warehouses offloading their old shit to budget brands to sell as "new".

Shit has not changed in 30 years.

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>>60768335
only the low end p75, iirc is safe to use without one
there's also and even lower end p60, which is probably also fine without a heatsink

you shouldn't run anything higher without a heatsink, if you want to try it anyway, be sure to monitor it's temperature!

>>60768382
>>60768335
-- like, there's no way i'd run a pentium MMX 233 without a heatink (... and fan)

>>60767873
>>60768362
It's likely, but a dumb choice for a OEM to have a VESA board and not take advantage of it.

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>>60768333
that AOpen badge was undoubtedly applied after the upgrade, and that bog standard baby AT is sure as fuck not an Acer-built system to begin with, have you ever even seen their hardware from that time period? shit, they weren't even really a budget marquis, they made some incredibly nice shit at that time

you sound like you're just regurgitating garbage from a wiki page at me, please stop and at least read some magazines or something if you want to posture yourself as the thread historian, this is fucking pathetic to watch

>>60768362
even the _shittiest_ mom-and-pop in 1996 was not shipping brand new systems with ancient 40 MB stepper disks in an era where 500-800 MB was the minimum even in the sub-$1,500 bracket, let alone a big OEM, next time you come across an example from the latter with a date of manufacture go and compare it to the date codes on the chips and see exactly how quickly they liquidate their stock, none of them keep shit around for 5+ years like that

>>60768432

It's Acer we're talking about here. They still do dumb stuff.

Also, I just noticed from the pictures that they're 8-bit ISA cards, not that it matters. It was likely never a 16-bit system at any point.

>>60768458

Boxes like original disappointment poster were produced and sold NEW well into early 2000. A few brands had fancy cases. A lot did not.

>>60768481
it's possible that it could have been a really late XT clone but the drive's too weird a match and the system as a whole is just too new, I can't see it, 286 boards were cheap as hell by then and skimping on the graphics wasn't that weird a choice, I've come across other 286es with similar parts

whatever it was it's getting swapped back out for a 286-16 next time I open it up, I think I've got a nice case more suited to a DX4, or maybe I'll keep it as a spare

>>60768543
this was not one of them at all, no matter how many straws you grasp at

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>>60768596

You so sure? I am telling you. Cases like this NEW were not uncommon AT ALL.

>>60768704
were you just talking about the cases? don't disagree with you at all there, those designs lasted forever

>>60768458
I remember seeing black Acers waaaaay back in the day. anyone have more info on this or pics? This was when like having a CD-ROM drive was hot shit. Guessing about 100MHz CPUs

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Oh, look, more generic slab PCs from the 1990s. Not like the AT form factor wasn't a standard or anything, no sir.

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anyone remember this?

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>>60768840
might be thinking of early Aspires, they were pretty sick

>>60768846
what does Dell have anything to do with anything being discussed at this time?

sorry I had to shit on your attempt to pretend to be knowledgeable but seriously just stop fucking posting already

>>60768880
Yes, Macintosh clones. Comfy.

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>>60768840
hnnnnnng

there were towers too!

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>>60768909
fuck me I didn't even know they made those, I want one now

saw a regular tower model once at the recycler that was beat to shit and missing pieces but they felt really nice especially with the full plastic skin, that first wave of consumer multimedia PCs was 10/10

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>>60768882
was there a different design for the tower?

>>60768934
Yea I just saw them in computer catalogs back in the day. Pages across from 75MHz PPC603 Performas and 75MHz ThinkPads

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>>60768961
yeah, I think the one I posted is from the same model range or a little newer
here's a shitty shot of the minitower variant of the original for sure
>>60768974
those are fun as hell to read

>>60767336
>>60767360

Better provide your pronouns for all the SJWs.

>>60768817

The inside wasn't swapped out. The 80486 was found in low end computers for years, especially the DX2 and DX4 series. Computing power needs didn't really jump much unless you were trying to game. Most people didn't. It was the equivelent of buying a low or mid range machine today with a celeron or an FX6300 or something nowadays.

You can still go out and buy older chipsets "new". You can still buy Core 2 products from newegg. I remember seeing 80386 computers in use up until around 1998 or so when I started finding a ton of them in the trash.

>>60768846

No. People have got to stop assuming "old looking" cases, whatever that means, means it's a motherboard swap. There was a lot of variation in motherboard sizes, and AT cases were cheap, modular, and used all over. You can't make assumptions about the internals based on a fucking generic AT case. It's an unusual build, but not unheard of for really low end machines of the time.

>>60769044
>No. People have got to stop assuming "old looking" cases, whatever that means, means it's a motherboard swap.
that's not why it's a swap you dipshit, the case isn't even that "old looking"

it's a swap for all of these reasons:
>grey-bezel floppy drives that were most frequent around the late '80s and very early '90s (plenty of exceptions throughout the 486 age, but it's a good way to set general expectations)
>IDE and VGA controllers both have 1991 date codes and are hilariously dated for such a system (there was absolutely no excuse to use an 8-bit card in a fucking DX4 build at all)
>similarly hilariously outdated ST-157 disk which was pretty much standard faire for entry-level systems at that time (nobody was putting those in new systems in 1996, absolutely nobody)
>aforementioned floppy drives are stamped 1991
>modem with 1993 date codes (a later upgrade before the swap)

this system would be basically the equivalent of buying a brand new 6600K with a shitty 40 GB diamondmax someone pulled out of an old NetVista and threw in there with an FX 5200 and some old CD-ROM drives, sure it's possible but the chances of it being a new system are absolutely zero, especially back then when disk space was one of the most important things that you could never have enough of even as a consumer, you could barely fit a useful minimal Windows 95 or even 3.x installation on 40 MB, let alone a typical one, and sourcing such an ancient drive would be harder than just ordering some newer, cheaper 540 MB disks in the first place

>>60768183
I THINK temperature protection came in with the Pentium Pro. I know my Pentium Pro 200 has it (at least according to the spec sheet, I ain't stupid enough to rely on it.)

>>60768880
The Radius ones were the best. At least from an aesthetics point of view.

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Finally got my SPARCclassic going. I'm pretty pleased. Now I just have to get bash installed, I can't stand csh. Linux has spoiled me.

>>60769389
I wish computers were still like this. The world would be much better without the aspies and women everywhere.

>>60769389
that's really nice, pretty much a complete set too
figured out anything fun to do with it yet? I think SunOS ships with bsd-games installed by default unless someone managed to sneak it on to my SS20 while it was still an instrument controller

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>>60769216
So what CPU do you recommend for frying eggs?
CPU cooked eggs just have that retro taste to them modern heatplates can't produce.

>>60769202

In 1995, that Seagate 40MB HDD was 75 dollars. That price quickly ballooned up to 120 dollars on average for an 80MB HDD. That motherboard with the AMD DX4 clone CPU cost 250 dollars.

That's 1995 dollars. He's already spent 529 dollars in 2017 money before taxes.

What's the cost of Windows 3.1, which he was surely using, considering the costs and HDD size? Oh, that was retailing for 100USD. That brings the current total up to 424 dollars before taxes in 1995... which is currently worth 690 in today's dollars. He hasn't even added ram. Or a video card! Let's look at the average ram used, which was usually around 4~8MB.

Oh, by the way, ads for barebone computers at the time without any drives but floppies was around 500USD with 4MB of ram. This was without video cards. Operating system. Etc. 500USD in 1995 is worth 813 now.

Care to guess again?

>>60769441
I think the keyboard may be a bit new comparatively (it's a 5c I usually use on my Ultra 1), but otherwise, pretty complete yeah.

I believe I saw the games package get extracted during install. I haven't gotten a chance to check it out much.

>>60769407
>and women
you'd be surprised, back in the day and in the retro scene now, women are still way better then the hipster crowd

>>60769474
Yeah the Pro 200 runs really hot. The 1MB of cache model particularly. Even with a heatsink and fan.

>>60769389
Such comfy

>>60769389
Is it 13W3 (to VGA) with SoG on a VGA monitor?

>>60769389
>tfw I've found the drives and the mouse but not the computer
how does an individual acquire sun equipment without paying out the ass?

>>60769583
Older Sparcstation stuff is pretty cheap, you can get a setup with the system/mouse/keyboard for less than 100€ on eBay

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Picture is wanted, but unobtainable in the states.

>>60769389

Jealous. I was never able to find one locally for a good price! Enjoy your comfy lunchbox.

>>60769441

The SS10 I had which originally came with SunOS 4.x had no games on it at all. Just a lot of CAD stuff.

>>60769407

>without the aspies and women everywhere

Someone run chkdsk on this kid, I think there are some bad sectors in there somewhere.

>>60769610
>Someone run chkdsk on this kid, I think there are some bad sectors in there somewhere.
Topkek.

I agree about the aspies though. I they are also known as hipsters these days.

>>60769493
you're thinking way too hard about this, nobody who was in the market for a brand new DX4/100 even when it was a low-end part was going to be going out of their way to order a slower than fucking molasses NOS stepper disk with a perfectly date-matched controller, it just didn't happen

once again you're just regurgitating bullshit straight from the magazine/wiki without understanding the context, yeah, if you really wanted to you could have a new system cobbled together from NOS and replacement parts but such a thing was so retarded that nobody ever would do such a thing, people who were too retarded to build a computer of their own in the first place would just order something from an OEM, those with the knowledge to do it sure as fuck wouldn't squander a DX4 on ancient peripherals and a hard disk that couldn't barely contain an operating system installation, and there were sure as fuck no mom-and-pops, even retarded ones, that would risk losing customers selling them a frankenstein of a system like that at any price

all of that aside, just a little bit of occam's razor slices this incredible act of mental gymnastics in half since board swaps were incredibly common back then (you have no idea how often I got cucked by this in the beginning) and it's much more realistic to assume someone simply brought their system into a mom-and-pop and told them to upgrade it, ending up with that mess, than someone cobbling together this mind-bendingly retarded configuration and ending up with such perfectly stratified parts

in short, you're really just trying too hard to salvage this shit show of an "argument", stop it

>>60769610
what version did it have? think mine ran 4.1.4, might have been an option when you installed the system

>>60769551
It's my understanding that Suns aren't sync-on-green. They have a separate sync pin. I don't really care though. That LCD screen can do SoG, seperate sync, and composite. Also has an S-Video and composite video in. Pretty cool for vintage/odd gear. Also a really wide refresh rate range.

>>60769583
I got the SPARCclassic for like $50. They're not that bad. You'll have to hit up VCF or Nekochan though to find the deals. eBay is all overpriced.

>>60769610
>Jealous. I was never able to find one locally for a good price! Enjoy your comfy lunchbox.

It's pretty sweet. I've got a SCSI2SD in there, so I have plenty of disk space, and I loaded it up with max RAM (128MB). I'd still like to get a TGX+ video card and fast Ethernet card though.

>>60769651
>think mine ran 4.1.4, might have been an option when you installed the system

If you do a full install or a custom install, yes. The games are on the install media for 4.1.4

>>60767203
>the xbox dev kit shit
Even /r/pcmasterrace is mad at him.

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ok /retro/, I have a problem here and you guys are the only ones I know would have an idea on this... I have a ti-99/4a here that has all the original equipment and a shit ton of games but I have no way to connect it to a monitor or TV at the moment. Is there any way I can test that it is even working before I buy one of the AV cables for it or do I just spend the money and hope it works?

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>>60768425
The Toshiba Libretto 110CT has one and it doesn't use a fan.

I have a XT clone (low end btw) from 1986 that has a 40MB stepper drive. I highly doubt OEMs would sell computers with those drives in 1996.

>>60769794
hmm, is it any different to the desktop PMMX233?
i suppose if the heatsink is big enough it'd be ok, but my desktop one got pretty warm with a fan

>>60769654
Sweet!

>>60767310
can the data be recovered?

>>60769670
>You'll have to hit up VCF or Nekochan though to find the deals.
ugh, I don't want to buy a shitbox that some autistic fuck has rubbed their dick all over

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>>60769734
okay that makes sense
they upped it to a 9.1 GB disk some time before it ended up in my hands so they probably just chose a full install for the fuck of it, or it had a second owner between me and the fab it came out of
>>60769814
they use an embedded variant which presumably has lower voltages or something, don't know how it differs from the desktop parts performance-wise
kind of interesting to think of these once top-end parts shipping in ultraportables a year or so later

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>>60769739
2 paper clips + 2 alligator clips + this diagram

wire composite and ground

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Got some games for my 380ED
Lemme tell ya, moving things around via 1.44mb floppy disks is a fucking PAIN IN THE ASS
Im 50% nostalgic over them and 50% grateful that flash memory is a thing.

Anyway, the original SimCity, DOOM, Wolfenstein 3D and maybe SimCity 2000 in the future, looking into other stuff like Commander Keen too, but the issue is breaking up files to fit on 1.44mb floppies.

Also, i have no clue how to get DOS to run in 800x600 instead of... whatever its in now. The laptop normally runs Windows 98 and in order to play Wolfenstein and DOOM i have to boot into DOS. But it doesnt run in full resolution. Also my trackpoint doesnt work but thats not a problem for these two games, works fine for SimCity since that can run within 98.

Any suggestions? Googling how to change DOS resolution gives me a large variety of answers that seem to do things but dont actually work.

>>60769827
The fact that disc is out in the open air means it was probably trashed as nonfunctional many, many years ago and now serves as an instructional prop.

>>60769739
Doesn't it use normal RF or Composite? Those cables are real cheap though, like 2 bucks from a _radioshack_.

>>60769881
what do you mean by DOS resolution? like DOS programs or the prompt itself?

have you checked the PC BBS mirror to see if there's any DOS drivers for your graphics chipset? never messed with 9x DOS mode much but I guess you might be able to grab them and load them from there

>>60767457
>Socket 3 mobo with coin slot
YOU LUCKY FUCKING
Enjoy having a 486 machine that actually works and isn't corroded from the inside out by a leaking barrel battery

>>60769856
I mean, I can't speak to any dick rubbing, but it some ass did draw all over the top with a Sharpie. I'd think acetone would take it off, but I haven't tried yet. Still, for $50 I ain't complaining.

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>>60769866
had a look at a video on the 110CT, and it's heatspreader is not too small either
if it was a newer process cpu, with these two factors together i think it's reasonable it'd be fine without a fan

>>60769794
>>60769814
I have seen OEM builds with MMX 233 that just have heatsinks and no fans.

>>60769610
> Any chick on facebook
> Any chick on instagram
> Any chick on twitter
> Any chick on .......
> Any guy who only has a 'smartphone'

Get this shit out of here.

>>60769884
5 pin DIN and all the radioshack style stores went out of business around me...

>>60769929
must get pretty toasty, or they're big heatsinks

>>60769918
I mean, coin cell 486 boards aren't THAT hard to find. And boards with Dallas realtime clocks tend to be fine, as the clock chips don't leak. As long as they're socketed, they are easy to replace too.

>>60769909
The whole prompt fits in the smaller rectangle with some thicc borders around it, so games only run in that resolution.

Looking for drivers, there doesnt seem to be any for DOS
http://www.video-drivers.com/companies/717.htm

>>60769938
see
>>60769870
just put the bare ends of the wire (carefully) into the right pins
or get a 5-pin DIN and solder a proper wire, still, 2 bucks

>>60769929
>pmmx 233 with no heatsink fan
>i7 6700k with stock intel heatsink and fan
confirmed they've been doing it for decades
>jews

>>60769870
I'm confused, what would I be wiring the composite and ground to on a RCA cable?

>>60769881
dos (the dos prompt) never ran in higher resolutions. games could raise the resolution, but the code to do that was integrated into the game (dos4gw etc)

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>>60769881
>but the issue is breaking up files to fit on 1.44mb floppies.
try splitting files with 7zip. Also have you thought of using a PCMCIA LAN card?
>Also, i have no clue how to get DOS to run in 800x600 instead of... whatever its in now.
I think that DOS just handles most software in 640x480, your LCD doesn't upscale it.
>Also my trackpoint doesnt work but thats not a problem for these two games, works fine for SimCity since that can run within 98.
have you tried loading up a mouse drive within DOS?

>>60769881
>Also, i have no clue how to get DOS to run in 800x600 instead of... whatever its in now.
I think there should be a key combination?
...or maybe in BIOS a option for scaling?

>>60769949
They really are, I've been looking for months at thrift stores and my recycling center. They were mostly made by shitty chink brands so they're even harder to find working. I have two of them from a scrap lot, both won't boot past BIOS.

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>>60769979

>>60769856
Don't you run a much higher risk of that here than there anyway

>>60769881
>Also my trackpoint doesnt work
http://cutemouse.sourceforge.net/

IRCC it's PS/2 based interface for the nipple

>>60770017
Ah, well. I usually trawl through eBay. More expensive than they should be on there though.

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>>60767203
>>60767336

>>60769987
*mouse driver

>>60769926
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium/TYPE-Embedded%20Pentium%20MMX.html
according to this page, your assumptions are right, they're on a newer process and at lower voltages than the desktop parts
>>60769952
thinkpads can't scale resolutions in DOS mode, even the old ones have this problem
http://john.ccac.rwth-aachen.de:8000/ftp/mirrors/ps2supersite.homedns.org/pccbbs/
check this or another PC BBS mirror, they're difficult to search through but very rewarding, they've got pretty much every driver and software utility you'll ever need for any operating system IBM officially supported on them
>>60769987
j-split is pretty good too, always one of the first things I install on a bridge box

>>60769881
>the issue is breaking up files to fit on 1.44mb floppies.
just do what i did at the time, use winzip 6 (win3.1), or pkzip (dos)

the screen scaling is usually toggled with a key combination, though keep in mind many of these old laptops have shitty hardware point scaling, which looks terrible, so it might not be worth using fullscreen unless the program is running at native resolution (or a multiple thereof)

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>>60770026
If you're buying things on 4chan, you got bigger problems than that. You fuckers would likely ship a jaguar or something. I wouldn/t give anyone on here my address.

Anyone else used to have a Thunkpad 600E? I fucking miss mine.

>>60769987
im really just not as proficient with DOS, the only reason i was able to even get to where DOOM was installed was literally trying linux commands, lo an behold, cd .. brought me right back to C
glad shit never changes

most stuff is easy, DOOM for example was a 1.4mb file and another 740kb of other files, which i just moved via two floppies (couldve done one but i couldnt be assed to wait for files to delete), things like SimCity 2000 however have single 4mb exe files and i dont have any CD's to burn the game onto
Mouse drivers honestly arent too important for these games right now, having no trackpoint sucks but to be honest, i think id rather play these games with mouse/keyboard than with a trackpoint anyway.

So looking more into resolution problems, if i edited the config.cfg for DOOM to run in 800x600, would i get 800x600 taking up the whole screen or would it just fuck up because it cant leave that little 480p box?

>>60769918
>>60769949
You don't need a coin cell board, the Dallas RTC boards are fine too and replacing the coin cell inside the RTC/CMOS chip only requires a knife and soldering iron.

They also don't corrode because the battery is encased.

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>>60770078
>You fuckers would likely ship a jaguar or something.
That would still be thread relevant though.

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Coming at you with my meme station, sadly out of commission right now or else I'd be posting from it. That desk is right now full of shit from a 486 I'm trying to repair.

Dell Dimension 4100 with:
Pentium III Coppermine 1000MHz
Nvidia GeForce4 Ti 4200
3Dfx Voodoo2 SLI
Diamond Monster Sound MX300 (Aureal Vortex2)

>>60769881
many dos games, including doom, have resolution settings in a separate program to the game executable, where you also do sound settings and other stuff
800x600 is SVGA (Super VGA), which it might be listed as

>>60770026
Never bought something off 4chan.

>>60770129
the resolution on that monitor though, just danm, its beautiful

i think you should get some dark wood paneling for your walls
goes from neat retrostation to dank basement as you eyes move up

>>60770129
I had that exact same computer in high school. Mine had a GeForce 256 though. Which I had to replace with an ATI Rage when it died. Talk about a downgrade.

>>60769952
>>60770059
the video features diskette for the 380ED under 3.1 might fix your problem: http://www.filewatcher.com/_/?q=vftpxw31.exe
this thread might also be interesting: https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=44894
I know there's a fucking way to fix it because I remember my 760CD not looking like shit after I set everything up, the 3.x video features might fix it
this guy >>60770135 is also right honestly, but I still think there's a fix to make scaling work properly
>>60770085
I was the shit at school with mine, still sitting next to me in the corner with a good battery and fresh NT4 install but the NIC is acting up now and crashes the system

>>60770088
>im really just not as proficient with DOS, the only reason i was able to even get to where DOOM was installed was literally trying linux commands, lo an behold, cd .. brought me right back to C glad shit never changes

kek I went the opposite way. I kept trying dir, cls, copy, move, and del without sucess in linux

>>60770129
>4200
I used a 5500 until around 2007. Stop making me remember that pain.

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>>60769651

Never! I will carry this argument to my grave (picture related)! That AOpen sticker looks like one of those bubble gel dealies which are a bitch to remove, and point to a later '90s case to me. If you were looking for a 80286 or 80386SX, that AOpen would have been a big pointer to avoid. But you are probably right about it being a mom and pop job, although an odd one. Or it could have been someone like me trying to use an old CGA monitor lying around (guilty).

If you are really looking for a 80286 or 80386SX, I might recommend you get an IBM PS/2 50 or 55sx if you can find them. Basically guaranteed to not be board swapped as the cases and layouts were unique, and they aren't so lusted after as to be as expensive as other PS/2 products.

http://www dot ebay dot com slash itm/Vintage-IBM-Model-55SX-Intel-386-Computer-/282475339915

Not my sale, just a quick search. Very nostalgic for me. It had a 30MB HDD in it, and an external 5.25 floppy... cost about 4,000USD when we got it (unrelated to original argument). Warning: some of the PS/2 models use this weird frequency interlaced signals for video out of a DB-15 (or whatever they're calling it now) VGA port at certain resolutions, and I can't remember which ones use it. Some monitors shit themselves when presented with it.

This being all said, I am interested in hearing about your board swaps.

>>60769651

And mine has 4.1.4 as well. It was missing a few external drives and it would bitch about it. I soon replaced the OS with SunOS 5.8 / Solaris 8. The NVRAM died a few years back for the final time and I couldn't be arsed to fix the battery and reprogram it.

>>60769654

The 13w3 standard had a bunch of different lines for sync, but no sync on green. The prior video standard from sun was 5 BNC cables which were G R B H V, if I remember correctly. What is worse is that SGI also used 13w3 and the monitors were not compatible between them as they used the non-coaxial pins differently.

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>>60770129
Bonus, more recent pic I just found. Now with a $1 douk mousepad and 1986 Model M.

Damn, this is the most active retro thread I've ever seen on /g/. It's beautiful.

>>60769929
Heck, Dell used to ship P4 machines with no CPU fan. They had a big plastic duct over the heatsink to draw air over it into the power supply.

>>60770129
>Diamond Monster Sound MX300 (Aureal Vortex2)
Does it have full DOS support? Actual MIDI or just software-PCM/SBEmu?

>>60769952
>The whole prompt fits in the smaller rectangle with some thicc borders around it, so games only run in that resolution.
it's just because they're running at their default 640x400 resolution, and the monitor doesn't scale by default, likely due to using a poor quality point scaler
i had a similar era 486SX-50 laptop at one point which did the same, it had a keyboard combination (fn+something) to toggle on and off the scaler, making anything fullscreen

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>>60770198
Oh yeah forgot to mention that's the 486 I'm trying to repair. Its guts are strewn all about.

One more pic.

>>60770198
That Hitachi monitor looks super nice.

>>60767957
Try to run Win98 off a common CF card. I fucking dare you.

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>>60770232
I do daily, what's the problem?

>>60770195
Supposedly IBM's 13W3 was different as well, though my RS/6000 seems fine with the adapter I use for my Sun.

And then you have DEC which used the fucking 3W3 (?) connector. Now that seems to be hard to find adapters for.

Reminds me of all the time I wasted faffing about trying to install Win95 under DOSbox on my Galaxy SII.

>>60770266
>Supposedly IBM's 13W3 was different as well, though my RS/6000 seems fine with the adapter I use for my Sun.
My RS/6000 has a 3W3 with SoG instead of a 13W3

>>60770232

Dude, CF is basically really good as an IDE replacement now. Their internal firmware does all the trimming automatically! There's no reason to not replace your IDE drives with CF cards nowadays.

>>60767957
I use SCSI in my Pentium Pro for that lovely whirr and click. Puts out a shit-ton of heat though. Which considering how much heat the CPU puts out, may not be my brightest idea.

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>>60770209
Works well enough in a Win9x DOS window, better than the SBLive! I think. It has a real DOS TSR driver but I've never tried it.

>>60770225
It is. Max rez 1600x1200 at 90hz.

>>60770274
Is it a really old one, like a 7012?

>>60770283
I still prefer real SCSI drives to flash media for SCSI machines, because the real high end SCSI drives that are available. Like 15000RPM and dozens of megs of cache.

Still prefer CF cards on PATA machines for boot drives though. At least. (Reliability and speed)

>>60770303
Yup

>>60770266

I use an IBM monitor that came with an RS/6000 on my Sun computers using a Sun monitor cable. Works just fine. Have an IBM cable that came with the monitor to hook it up to IBM PS/2 computer VGA ports. Works just fine with VGA computers. Flip the cable around and use it on a Sun computer with any VGA monitor that supports 1280x1024, no issues at all.

...tried to use the IBM monitor with an SGI Indy using the Sun 13w3 cable. Did not work. Tried using the IBM VGA to 13w3 cable that came with the IBM 13w3 monitor on a VGA monitor that worked with the Sun with the SGI Indy. Did not work.

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>>60770301
I'm a big fan of Hitachi's industrial design back in the day. Wish their PA-RISC machines were available in the States.

>>60767408
PS/1 was aimed at being the cheaper model and back then lower numbers usually meant less not better.

>>60770332
Good to know. SGI is my next 'get' and I'll need to worry about adapters.

>>60770307
Bought my SCSI drive on eBay, actually came with a 90-day warranty. On a 20 year old Western Digital. SCSI drives really were made more reliable.

>>60770307

It's kinda a tossup for me. The machines we end up having with SCSI aren't new enough nor fast enough to take advantage of the fast 15kRPM drives, but those drives still have a slower random seek read/write than those CF cards.

...but the CF cards don't sound cool spinning up.

>>60770349

A few of the later SGI MIPS computer had IBM PC compatible expansion ports. The hamfest I was at had one with DVI out, so you may not have to work too hard.

>>60770022
Stripped an old cable I had and tried it, tv is getting signal but no picture. any ideas?

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>>60770078
Can be worst, likely ship a jaguar with AIDS.

>>60770392
I think the last generation did. IIRC, the Tezro and Fuel had DVI out. Both are too far out of my price range (not to mention the Tezro is the size of a small moon). I'll likely try to get an Indigo2 or Indy.

>>60770395

Is it a CRT television? Some flat screens just do not like the 2x0 line signals those older home computers put out.

>>60770232
>>60770245

It's probably in reference to how 9x frequently bricks them when you stick them in a desktop with one of those chinkshit 40-pin adapters. That setup just doesn't get along.

>>60770422
>>60770392
Now that I think about it, I think the Octane had DVI as well, depending on the video card installed.

>>60770368
They take advantage of the seek speeds, not the bandwidth.
Flash media would have the advantage of seek times, but with the old machines the difference between a good SCSI drive and flash media in negotiable.

ATA drives on the other hand are mostly crap, even newer ones with older machines, CF has the advantage of also being natively supported, instead of a active adapter like SD2SCSI (also more expensive).

>>60770443
SD2SCSI are pretty slick though. They can lie about their serial and model number, which can be super useful depending. Also nice to be able to make it appear as multiple drives, as older machines often have maximum supported drive sizes.

>>60770395
The signal (middle wire of RCA jack) goes to pin 4 of the DIN >>60769870
The ground wire around the signal wire goes to pin 2

Recheck, else it's >>60770433

>>60770395
>tv is getting signal but no picture. any ideas?
what does it look like? black? blue? distortion?

also try swapping pin 4 for 5 (might be reversed) >>60769870

but do not DO NOT touch the upper pins yet (especially right now because you don't know which one is +12v (which would short out your tv), and which one is audio)

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>>60770218
wow you really take care of your equipment. they're spotless.
do you dust and wipe them regularly?

>>60770422

From very vague memory, the only real difference is where the sync pins on the SGI are in the 13w3 connector. You *may* be able to just go to Digikey or mouser, get a bunch of the male and female VGA ports, and wire them up with the correct pins swapped between them. Attach it to the Sun compatable 13w3 to VGA adapter's VGA port.

Never tried it myself, but it's worth a shot!

>>60770301
>1600x1200 @ 90Hz
God damn. How well do those games run with the hardware you have in it?

>>60770470
>They can lie about their serial and model number, which can be super useful depending. Also nice to be able to make it appear as multiple drives, as older machines often have maximum supported drive sizes.
That is a very comfy and useful thing indeed! I haven't had a machine that would need that, but I can imagine with the older compact Macintoshes it could be useful.

>>60770195
yeah man it's a pretty weird as fuck job since usually those swaps tend to be way more thorough than just throwing the board in, most others I've come across usually at least throw a new disk in so you can actually install software that takes advantage of the new chip, since I mostly deal in OEM systems the AO logo didn't trigger anything for me since everything else checked out on it, still rescued some good parts through either way and I've got plenty of spares to satiate my autism on this one

and yeah my man, thanks for reminding me to stick one of those on my list I'm building, always wanted a 55SX but have never seen one in the wild, have a couple other 286/386SX machines but they're mostly generic mail-order shitboxes so not all that interesting

maybe in the future I'll pull some shit and blog it swap-wise, I've got a fucking horrific 5150 that someone shoehorned a Pentium-100 into complete with free hanging SCSI drives and a random piece of metal conducting heat from the processor to the case itself

>>60770475
>do you dust and wipe them regularly?
Not him, but...
Who doesn't? I have wet wipes and a duster always available.

>>60770484
Quake has a 72 FPS cap though.

>>60770301
>Works well enough in a Win9x DOS window, better than the SBLive! I think. It has a real DOS TSR driver but I've never tried it.
Interesting, I'm thinking of getting a (real) Sound Blaster 16 and a Dreamblaster for (pure) DOS compatibility.
Though your card with a Dreamblaster (noticed it has a Wavetable header too) could also be an option if it supports DOS. Would not require a board with ISA.

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>>60770433
>>60770471
Ayy now that it's for sure working ill order a real cable

>>60770545
Congrats anon!

You could also just get a 5 pin DIN connector and solder the stipped wire to it that you already have, cheaper (slightly) and more fun.

>>60770545
you're welcome anon :^)

>>60770563
Oh and for audio you can use another RCA cable, ground goes to the same pin, but the signal of the RCA goes to pin 3. You could also get a 3.5mm jack instead of RCA for it.

>>60770563
I'd rather just order the fancy cable, this thing had to be dicked with for a few min to find a position that works... Now I need to look for one with a good keyboard to use as a donor for my next project

>>60770495

Crazy Sun AOpen arguer from before

>IBM 5150
>P-100

What

>weld job heatsink

What

Okay, I could understand swapping out the inside to an 286 system as a lot of people did that, or shoving a 80188 processor into the thing (if I remember correctly, they're pin and binary compatible). But... no. Why.

>>60770612
>I'd rather just order the fancy cable
Homemade cables are the fanciest! But anything goes as long as it works, the ready made cables aren't expensive anyways.

>>60770639
Ended up being $14 with shipping, I have no problem spending that much considering I got all the equipment and games for less than that

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Holy shit, what happened?
The last threads where slow as fuck and now... 213 replies in less than 5 hours! Comfiest thread in ages!

Is it possible (easily/cheaply) to convert BNC ethernet to RJ45?

>>60770279
Not that anon, but, I didn't know CF cards have TRIM built in to them like the Crucial M500 SSDs.

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>>60770613
>What
>What
basically me irl

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>>60770752
sometimes you almost wonder if it was on purpose

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>>60770768
because no benevolent god would allow this to happen naturally

>>60770733
Can confirm, almost all new flash media does.
Including microSD and Compact Flash cards.

It's default for the controllers in them nowadays.
Slowly even cheapest cards get controllers with support for it, just because it's the default.
It's automatic and internal though, not something you can trigger with ATAPI.

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>>60770779
and every day we stray further from him

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>>60770722
you're looking around $100

>>60770752
>>60770768
>>60770779
Holy shit
That looks on purpose to me, kek

>I accidently hole and AT motherboard my IBM-PC

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>>60770796
further and further

>>60769794
These use the later Mobile Pentiums that were made on a later process and run at a lower voltage (1.8 volts vs 2.8). They also use the magnesium frame of the computer as a heatsink and it still gets pretty toasty.

>>60770768
what the fuck anon
you could've at least used a danm dremel tool

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>>60770817
until we are all doomed to the fires of hell

>>60770814
Can you make straight TCP/IP connections between two 10Base2 cards?

>>60770722

Not without some sort of bridge, no. The physical layers are very different. Thicknet is a 50ohm system. Ethernet over twisted pair is a 100~120ohm system, depending. Getting those to match isn't too much of a problem. But how data is sent and received is.

Thicknet is simplex time slicing. Ethernet over twisted pair is full duplex.

Just find an AUI transceiver that works with modern ethernet physical layers.

>>60770779
>>60770817
at least it has some nice stuff in it

>>60770814
>>60770839
or just use one of those old CentreCOM hubs? or were the BNC connectors on those for other purposes?

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>>60770722
Does it not have an AUI port? I know computers exist with just BNC, but it seems most common to have both. If it does have AUI you could just get a transceiver.

>>60770752
>>60770768
>>60770779
some poor soul actually used that computer and probably it was the only one he had

>>60770849
it has some pretty bitchin' drives and stuff in it, I wanted to pull them at first for my vectras but it's such a beautiful abomination I don't want to touch it

works fine too, think the nigger had 98 running on it when I tested it

>>60770842
>>60770870
I'm asking because I got a parallel port 10Base2 adapter for real cheap.

Though it could get very useful sometimes. It only has 10Base2. Versions of the same adapter with RJ45 and AUI also exist, but my luck it had to be 10Base2.

I have zero experience with 10Base2 though. The BNC connector ethernet.

>>60770839

Yes! However, you have to make sure that they are not full, half, or any other resonant portions of the wavelength used. You must place the nodes at some multiple of 250cm of cable. Unless the transceivers are self terminating, you need a T joint and to have a 75ohm terminator resistor attached to one part of the T joint, and the cable attached to the other end, with the transceiver on one part.

>>60770881
98 on a fucking 5150?!

>>60770921
Obviously not a actual 5150 anymore.

>>60770921
it's obviously heavily modified you dingus

>>60770917
Ugh, flashbacks. We setup a thinnet network in our networking class in high school. It wasn't really a thing anymore, but our teacher thought it would be good for us to learn. I'm nostalgic about a great many things, but thin/thicknet isn't one of them.

>>60770917
Oh yeah, rings a bell.
Luckily the BNC shit, like joints and terminators for 10Base2 aren't that hard to find these days.

>>60770921
the only bit of 5150 left in that thing is probably the power supply... bless its heart
>>60770876
never got around to doing some forensics on it, personally I think it must have been some HP engineer scavenging spares and hacking it up as he went, but at this point only god can tell us what horrifying rituals spawned that thing

wonder if it has any good porn on it, you don't go through the work to attach a high-end 4 GB Barracuda to an 8-bit scanner controller to archive pictures of your grandkids and your bridge club's weekly newsletters

>>60770945
>>60770955

I'm a ham. This shit is literally like 95% of the hobby. Figuring out where the reactance went wrong and load balancing.

50 and 75ohm BNC dummy loads (aka terminators) are still made and dirt cheap. If you can't find one, just literally solder a 75ohm resistor between the conductor and shield of a spare BNC connector, lol.

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>>60770752
>>60770768
>>60770779
Topkek, reminds me of Sparky's shitbox, whatever happened to that fucknut?

>>60771002
>you don't go through the work to attach a high-end 4 GB Barracuda to an 8-bit scanner controller
My fucking sides.

Wait, the 8-bit SCSI controller is really targeted for scanners or it's just a joke?

>>60771038
desu now that I think about it it's probably for tape backup since it's still pretty new (1993) and scanner ones usually don't have an internal port but it sounds danker that way

>>60771038

No, scanners were sometimes on old SCSI-1 ports. SCSI is versatile as fuck.

The card in question is connected to the huge ribbon cable that says MADE IN THE USA proudly across one part.

I'm not the guy posting the picture.

>>60771073
Never actually seen a 8-bit ISA SCSI controller with my own eyes.
Does it have BIOS extensions on the board or is that the unpopulated chip on the board and it only works via software/supported BIOS?

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I'm seriously planning on installing Win 2000 + kernel updates on AM2 socket era PC and using it as my primary one.
Do you guys think there is a way for GTS 450 to properly work on Win 2000? Will XP drivers work?

>>60771092
>No, scanners were sometimes on old SCSI-1 ports. SCSI is versatile as fuck.
I know, just wondered if maybe it was a card that actually came with some SCSI scanner and not a ordinary SCSI controller.

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>>60767227
>>60768196
>tfw destroyed an old beige atx tower case a long time ago because young and stupid
>tfw now wish to have that same case again but will never find another one like it

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>>60771114
>Do you guys think there is a way for GTS 450 to properly work on Win 2000? Will XP drivers work?
Nvidia's official drivers should still support Win2k for that card.

Recently popped a AGP GeForce 7800 GS into a old shitbox with Win98SE and had to use some 3rd party modded drivers but they surprisingly works perfectly.

>>60770518
Quake3 is 120fps

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dumping old /retro/thread shit

>>60771099
seems like it has an option for one if you look at the PCB but that one isn't bootable, the main boot drive is a 400-something MB IDE shitgate that's to the right of it above the CD-ROM

this is the first 8-bit one with an internal port I've seen too, doubt there was much of a market for shoving expensive drives and equipment into 8086 boxes I guess
>>60771139
when I started out I gutted so much shit I wish I'd kept in one piece now just messing around

rip in piece family web server

>>60771114

>Will XP drivers work

...no? There were a few differences between NT5 and NT5.1. Some XP drivers don't work on versions post service packs. Can't hurt to try, though.

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>>60771162

>>60771176
Nvidia lists the drivers as Win2k/XP though.

>>60771139
>>60771163

In my case, it was gut it and keep the internals, or throw the whole thing out. Thanks, mom.

So I have a ton of old computer guts in boxes!

>>60771163
>>60771139
I left an awesome little IBM 486 in my garage after I moved a number of years ago. Went to pull it out, and found out a bunch of mice had made nests in it. They pissed all over everything so it was all corroded inside. Totally dead. Even had an original Gravis Ultrasound in it. I was an idiot when I was like 19.

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>>60771179

>>60771190

If they list it as 2k/XP, it will work, then.

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>>60771212

>>60771190
Wait, where did you find those? Please link

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>>60771231

>>60771207

Sometimes it's not truly dead. If you know the traces, you can sometimes just resolder and run wires between the various points on the board where the traces died.

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>Browse internet sales sites for retro computer tech
>RECOMMENDED FOR YOU: Adolf Hitler "Mein Kampf"

>>60771256
It's long gone now. I think 3 years ago was when I got rid of it.

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>>60771247

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>>60771284

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is this retro

>>60771346
how comfy is that!

>>60771244
Try these

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/geforce-forceware-260-89-windows-xp-32-bit.html

I really can't find where I found where it said Win2k/WinXP

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finally, a desktop theme for me

>>60771410
Maybe it was here where I saw it

http://filehippo.com/download_nvidia_forceware_xp/8527/

Same driver though

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Are retro clocks allowed?

Panasonic RC-6050 from 1981

>>60771410
>>60771440
This official Nvidia release notes for that driver also say Windows 2000

http://pl.download.nvidia.com/Windows/260.89/260.89_WinXP_Desktop_Release_Notes.pdf

>>60771443
NO! We are autistic fucks like /vr/ and don't allow anything retro that isn't X or Z within Y-X.

Just kidding, sure, it looks cozy

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>>60771455
Thanks! Also, this is that PC.

How does one harden 98/2k for use in 2017
Won't you just get wardialed and infected in minutes

>>60771561
I don't see much the point in using it for casual browsing.

Even if you browse 4chan, you go straight to it instead of browsing some weird shit pages before getting there.

>>60771576
Yes, but at this point both are old enough to catch an infection sitting doing nothing with an active internet connection.

>>60771561
Kinda related

PROTIP: If you find yourself on an operating system with no modern browsers that can even get to pages (say you're stuck with Mosaic and early versions of IE) try Tenox's web proxy. It renders webpages to image maps on a modern machine and passes them through to your old machine. https://github.com/tenox7/wrp

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Can't be dealing with the upward drift in hardware prices.

>tfw never bought a Toshiba like pic related when they were regularly going for ~£30
>tfw now finding one <£75 is a miracle.
>tfw know if I procrastinate further the drift will continue as some are already at £150+

>>60771594
That's a myth, you have a router with at least a firewall, even if someone actually tried to somehow target your machine without knowing anything about it in some weird universe.

>>60771622
Looks similar to a Calcnet2.2 Gossamer hub.

>>60771622
NEAT

Kinda sucks though if your machine takes minutes to render a JPG.

>>60771651
Imagine trying to browse a large 4chan thread.

>>60771661
RIP

>>60771561
nobody with the horsepower to put towards doing that in a constructive manner is going to target a handful of retro hobbyist boxes with nothing useful on them when there's thousands of servers and other systems out there that are actually used with weak account credentials that are also more reliable for building a botnet or extracting useful information from that are also much easier to get into since they don't require popping obscure exploits that were patched literally decades ago

tl;dr just use a firewall if you're really that concerned
>>60771594
you don't get net-AIDS just because it can happen, someone actually has to be interested in putting the shit up to infect you in the first place and most blackhats are dumbfuck third worlders who exploit other dumbfucks through simple, often user-authorized means

don't worry about it

>>60771712
>and most blackhats are dumbfuck third worlders who exploit other dumbfucks through simple, often user-authorized means
This brings up memories of some guy putting up an unpatched Win2kSP1 virtual machine, waiting twenty minutes, and getting a call from exactly such a dumbfuck blackhat trying to talk him into doing shit.

>>60771651
If it's new enough to run Mosaic, it shouldn't have a problem with a simple JPEG (it can do GIF too). It's more a way for browsers that can't do modern TLS/SSL to browse the web.

>>60771756
>putting up an unpatched Win2kSP1 virtual machine, waiting twenty minutes, and getting a call from exactly such a dumbfuck blackhat
Not gonna happen in the real world.
Also, how the fuck did they call him? Seems bullshit.

Who >broken PS/2 ALPS edge card drive here?

>>60771622
hmm, depends on qtwebkit for qt4, which is unmaintained and has a bunch of CVE's accociated with it

>>60771786
Fuck if I remember.

>>60771756
>and getting a call from exactly such a dumbfuck blackhat trying to talk him into doing shit
lmao what, that seems pretty implausible unless he had the thing entirely exposed with a bunch of retarded services enabled to make his system identifiable to the point that you could... call him? what the fuck

I ran a 2K SP4 system for most of 2014 as a daily driver and fuck all ever happened to me, still run one today and shitpost from it all the time

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>>60771443
Nice!

I found this late 60s Sears Silvertone in my uni's ewaste pile in near immaculate condition. Sounds great, too.

It has probably been sitting on a shelf in an office in one of the engineering buildings it's entire life.

>>60771626
my Satellite Pro >>60771432 is nearly identical to the one in your pic except it has a passive matrix display.
bought last month for $10 at a flea market. do they not have those in bongland?

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>>60771432
groovy.

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>>60770078
I bought a (thirdhand?) T40 from a tripfriend on here before.
Sometimes you got to risk it for the biscuit.

>>60771955
There are similar things (and charity shops, although they're a bit dodgy because some refuse to take electronics because I guess they want to avoid liability if they explode or whatever.) but I live in a very rural area so it's not really an option to go hunting.

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I never realized they made "modern" minitower VAX workstations into the late '90s
I want one now

>>60771789
That sucks. Maybe somebody should get after Tenox to update it, or fork it.

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>>60772014
>webm ends just before the lid clicks shut

>>60772091
Neither did I. Neat! Lucky I've got a VMS hobbyist license. Be a better use for it than simh, at least

>>60772108
oh wait, my bad, he did add qt5 support, just hasn't updated master or the readme to reflect that
check you're using 2.0/dev!

>>60772162
Good to know, thanks!

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>>60772158
really want to pick up an older 2000 or 3100 to fuck with over a serial line but I'm on the fence since I don't know how much I'd actually be able to get done with it

do they still offer the VMS hobbyist licenses?

>>60767310
I wonder what kind of data it used to hold?

>>60772281
probably just old accounting data
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOD1umMX2s8

>>60772026
bummer. the markets I go to happen every week. I don't always find any decent retro laptops (what I do find is in varying degrees of disrepair) but I was on a winning streak last month. and I have high hopes for this summer

>>60772375
There's a goodwill computer center near my job, I always go on saturday. Last week I actually met a guy who has a bunch of retro shit AND another guy from VCF who were both there at the same time and we all talked over a broken Osborne.

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>>60771163
I also assisted my friend in disposing of an Epson Equity 386 because the old ass hard drives in it finally gave out and the whole machine was deemed not worth keeping around. It literally went right into the trash.

If there was a technology hell I would probably go to the deepest level there is, and deserve it.

>>60771206
In my case, the machine was extremely problematic, and when I finally gave up on it, I decided the way to deal with it was to vent my pent up frustrations with it by smashing the case and mobo with a sledgehammer.

In retrospect, the mobo was almost 100% definitely the problem, probably caps going bad or something. But I regret including the case in the punishment.

Pic related.

>>60770200
Don't forget the Pentium 4 Dimensions (or at least the 4300), they use a pink sticky thermal pad underneath the heatsink instead of thermal compound and they run a little hot with them too.

>>60772520
when you have bad caps
you recap!

>>60772560
If I knew and cared back then as much as I do now, I probably would have looked into doing exactly that. But I was 17 and stupid, and didn't even know cap failure was a thing, much less the most likely cause of my problems.

>>60772587
one time when i was 14 some older friends of my parents gave me a couple old computers
one was a full tower 286 box, and the other was a C64 in the original box (though it was just those two things, no power brick or other cables)
unfortunately, i was not quite old enough to appreciate older stuff, and was only really interested in 486 and up stuff
i don't remember exactly what i did with them, but i didn't keep them

while i'm still not particularly interested in 286 hardware, i certainly regret not keeping the C64

>>60772633
I once totally annihilated an Amiga 500 as a kid

>>60770440
>It's probably in reference to how 9x frequently bricks them when you stick them in a desktop with one of those chinkshit 40-pin adapters. That setup just doesn't get along.
Never had that problem, used them for years on desktops that also ran Windows 98.

This is literary someone fuckup being taken seriously.

>>60772429
>goodwill computer center
sounds like my kinda place.
All the Goodwills in my region either don't have any computers/peripherals older than 2005, or have nothing at all. Anything old is sold at flea markets or tossed.

>>60772717
>All the Goodwills in my region either don't have any computers/peripherals older than 2005
Because they're being vulched, idiot. You have to go more often.