Theresa May wants to ban crypto: here's what that would cost

>>60757752
>This, then, is what Theresa May is proposing:

>* All Britons' communications must be easy for criminals, voyeurs and foreign spies to intercept

>* Any firms within reach of the UK government must be banned from producing secure software

>* All major code repositories, such as Github and Sourceforge, must be blocked

>* Search engines must not answer queries about web-pages that carry secure software

>* Virtually all academic security work in the UK must cease -- security research must only take place in proprietary research environments where there is no onus to publish one's findings, such as industry R&D and the security services

>* All packets in and out of the country, and within the country, must be subject to Chinese-style deep-packet inspection and any packets that appear to originate from secure software must be dropped

>* Existing walled gardens (like Ios and games consoles) must be ordered to ban their users from installing secure software

>* Anyone visiting the country from abroad must have their smartphones held at the border until they leave

>* Proprietary operating system vendors (Microsoft and Apple) must be ordered to redesign their operating systems as walled gardens that only allow users to run software from an app store, which will not sell or give secure software to Britons

>* Free/open source operating systems -- that power the energy, banking, ecommerce, and infrastructure sectors -- must be banned outright

>>60757752
>ban crypto

/biz/ on suicide watch

>>60757752

when will alien invade earth?
might as well just surrender to superior life form

>>60757752
>UK
nobody cares

>UK
>freedom

>>* Free/open source operating systems -- that power the energy, banking, ecommerce, and infrastructure sectors -- must be banned outright

I have been waiting for this to happen. We used to joke about Linux users in the future being branded as terrorists, now its actually happening. TIME TO HOARD DEM ISOs BOYS.

Let's ban air as well.

>>60757835
No no, just tax it.

>>60757752
inb4 everything moves to steganography and I find CP inside my kettle

>>60757842
>what is the CO2 tax

Well that's one way to get all the financial companies in London to leave the UK. People were saying Brexit would destroy their economy, but when it becomes impossible for businesses to securely conduct business in the UK, why would they want to stay there?

British /g/ on sucide watch

kek you brought this on yourselves by falling for the brexit meme

>>60757888
pretty much
EU has net neutrality regulations. But the UK disregarded those even before brexit. muh police state

Crypto is a very crucial part of the internet, to ban Crypto is to move back to the 80's in terms of computing, it would destroy online business, banking and infrastructure. It is laughable (and scary) to even hint at the idea.

>>60757888
Yeah it was totally brexit and not the sand people constantly killing everyone

God damn this bitch just doesn't stop does she. She had this election in the bag till she came out like some kind of death star commander. Shame the alternative is a group of marxists, or the no chance of being elected parties.

>>60757752
>be russian
>putin puts his dirty hands on interwebs
>prohibits lots of sites
>deep packet inspection
>law saying that people should store keys for all information gets rejected
>govs want to block telegram for not sharing keys

meanwhile
>UK PM want to ban encryption

wwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck?

Anyone else triggered that there are people with such tremendous political power who can fundamentally change laws about topics they haven't got a single clue about?

Why can't the UK come up with any solution to problems other than

>ban X thing

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>its a shift the blame on encryption instead of the real problem that is islam episode

>>60757908
Yes but its not surprising that Russia is fucked up because of its history

>>60757923
this
>inb4 DURDUR POL GET OUT

So if they were able to ban open source software, virtually 3/4 of the internet would disappear overnight and their economy would collapse.

If they banned encryption, nobody's account anywhere would be secure in any way. That's not hyperbole, I mean that literally. Accounts, logins, emails, purchases, nothing. Anybody could steal anything. You couldn't trust any packet actually came from who it says, because even the wifi would be unsecured. Everything would be one huge chaotic free-for-all. In other words, same result.

What an absolute disaster of a proposal.

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Why didn't you listen?

Here she comes, trying to ban encryption AGAIN.
Just because you don't have the balls to nuke the middle east doesn't mean that you can ban maths

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>>60757752
>Muslim foreigners commit terrorism
>White law abiding natives lose rights

>>60757951
I think they did. Just not in the intended fashion

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>>60757752
>tfw living in a country with actually competent anti-terrorism

>>60757752
But when will assault trucks be banned?

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>>60757961
DELET

banking / shopping account logins would be required to be in clear text. What could go wrong???

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>>60757923
inb4 they ban pork meat because it offends mud people and indirectly increases terrorism

>ban crypto
lol

>>60757905
Yeah, and instead of dealing with the sand people, you're banning encyption. These are the same people that are going to negotiate Brexit. What are they going to do next? Ban bad deals?

If they did, they would probably only enforce it when they wanted to.

>>60757923
This.
You don't have to ban islam, only the fuckers in the Middle East.

Without islam this wouldn't be needed.

>>60757942
In other words: even if it stopped terrorism, it would cause an increase in non-ideological cybercrime

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>terrorist attack happens
>government responds by punishing innocent law-abiding citizens

The UK needs a Ron Paul.

>>60758049
First they came for encryption and I said nothing. Then they came for the bacon and I lost my shit

>terrorist attack was possible due to unregulated immigration
>regulate internet instead of immigration
What is her royal majesty the queen doing?

>>60758118
destroying the native population to appease the Jewish overlords

>>60757752
Fuck that bitch. I'll personally dddddddddd her at next Tuesday.

>>60758095
first they came for encryption and i said nothing
then they came for the pork and i said nothing because beef in general tastes better
then they came for our wives and daughters and i said nothing because im a shut in neet who has failed to form any meaningful social bonds
and finally they came for the neetbucks and i killed myself because there was nothing left to live for

>>60758142
don't forget about the puppers and cold pints :(

>>60757888
>You either hate privacy or want to be ruled by unelected and unaccountable foreign bureaucracy that has shown an open disdain for the concept of nations!
Go be a strawmanning cuck somewhere else.

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BANNED IN BRITAIN

>>60757752
Its never going to happen. Someone huge company that needs https will lobby her not to do it and she will obey her corprate over lords.

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>mfw i trick a britbong into clicking an https link and he gets summarily executed

>>60758083
Undeniable truth.
Koran sellers should be liable for hate crime.

>>60757842
The US kinda did that already by getting rid of NN, only the taxes are collected by ISPs instead of government.

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>>60758049
Not even so unlikely

>>60758179
They would also have to ban random numbers.

>>60757752
>putting women in charge

Bad meme

>>* Free/open source operating systems -- that power the energy, banking, ecommerce, and infrastructure sectors -- must be banned outright

Why? Isn't one of the main point of FOSS the transparency behind it? The entire OS is available to anyone. What's dangerous about that?

I'm no longer surprised by the retarded shit the government spews out, just embarrassed.

>>60758206
NN enforcement is one step closer to this happening you moron

>>60758220
fewer backdoors in opensource OS's and you can fork them to remove them.

>>60758169
>cuck response
Like pottery

>>60757975
What country might that be anooooooon?

>>60758220
Because muh terrorists can modify it and add encryption, or something like that I guess. All open source communication software would be next in the list.

>>60758252
Poland is doing okay

>>60758252
Best Korea

>>60757752
yeah, im voting UKIP on thursday, fuck this bollocks

is it too much to ask for a liberal party with an understanding of modern technology

>>60757752
BURN THE WITCH

>>60758092
I just want a libertarian person, just socially, I don't mind, in my country.

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>>60758266
What is UKIP's position on encryption?

>>60758266
Even if they knew anything about how technology works, they'd still go with stupid proposals like these because it would be racist to say that the root of the problem isn't encryption but the religious ideologies of these terrorists (aka iSlam).

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>>60758276
US here.
I just want a solid libertarian as well... But that day will never come.

>>60758192
A new way of suicide for me! Thanks anon.
>>60758258
Poland also doesn't have tonnes of muslims, might move if it gets too bad.

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>>60758266
Not the Pirate Party?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party_UK

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>this kills the british empire

>>60758282
They don't have a position on anything other than the EU which is why they lost all their voters after brexit

>>60758278
Just had to gouge out my eyes and remove that from my memory. Fucking spoiler it anon.

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>>60758297

>>60758266
Lib dems. Remember the tory/lib dem coalition some years back?
The lib dems were blocking the tory internet/technology fuckery proposals like the snooper's charter and stuff like that.

>>60758266
>im voting UKIP

Didn't UKIP exist exclusively for Brexit? Now that it's pretty much done, what's the point of voting for them now that they've finished their purpose?

>>60758278
>remember [...] the lib dems
i don't recall, who are they again?

>>60757752
>banning HTTPS
great idea

>>60758325
Jeremy Corbyn will reverse the British ISP and government spying.
>>60758329
Yeah, they're useless now. They packed up shop for the most part.

>>60757756
This sounds like a load of bullshit to me. Where has she said she wants to block github and ban linux?

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>UK
>wants to ban crypto
I am SO fucking glad we separated from that shithole 200-odd years ago. 'MURRICA!

>>60758371
>R820T2
chips

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>>60758293
They need ballot access and exposure and focus on 2018. Also, we need to dismantle first-past-the-post voting system (the one that convinces people that third-party votes are "wasted votes") and replace with ranked choice voting, which will change everything.

>>60758362
Banning encryption necessitates banning open encryption standards.
These operating systems feature a shitload of open crypto, you can even full disk from the install.

>>60758336
Its more they block your domain unless you hand them the SSL keys.

>>60758235
How the fuck is Net Neutrality enforcement in any way gonna lead to banning crypto?

>>60758362
The point is that what she's proposing would mean those things have to be banned, that is to say she doesn't know what she's talking about it's nothing more than political chest beating which will go nowhere.

>>60758393
>how is government encroachment of a market going to lead to further encroachment

>>60758282
theyre a single issue party, but their opposition to the EU naturally attracts small government types

>>60758292
its not even that theyre cowering to islam in this case, its just that they dont know what the fuck theyre doing and may happens to be a big government type conservative of the same veriety as merkel in a lot of ways.

>>60758297
theyve got some interesting ideas, but theyre going to be a literally who party for some time yet

>>60758325
the lib dems can fuck right off til they accept the legitimacy of a democratic majority and stop pandering to socialists.

>>60758329
yes. its a protest vote, i cannot in any good concience vote for either the conservatives or labour, both of these parties need to go fuck themselves with a heated iron rod. at the very least the growth of ukip in response to this bullshit will likely force other parties to book their ideas up lest they lose voters to them.

>>60758381
Well don't be so smug you got an orange for a president

>>60758415
>all regulation is evil, companies should be allowed to do whatever they want
If it was up to you, we would still have people dying when constructing skyscrapers.

>>60758428
*orange manchild

>>60758432
>what is FTC antitrust regulation

>>60758428
When Jersey Shore and Keeping Up With The Kardashians came around, even we knew we were heading down a dark path.

>>60758297
>>60758266
This. The Pirate Party just published an article on their website condemning May's anti-encryption proposal.

https://www.pirateparty.org.uk/press/theresa-may-uses-london-bridge-attack-further-her-autocratic-agenda

Are they /ourparty/?

>>60758169
>unelected and unaccountable foreign bureaucracy

you mean like the Saudis? Because their good friends with your current government bong

Almost too good in fact, I wonder what goes on behind closed doors? Surely no corruption in your glorious post-brexit British democracy.

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>>60758456
of course.

>>60758456
no, and they likely never will be. the pirate party has the same kind of issues going with it that the free software movement does, it attracts snowflakes who want the government to protect them from every little thing, which slowly corrupts and kills the original movement leaving those hostile to liberty in control.

I'm actually getting really autistically angry. I JUST WANT IT TO FUCKING STOP. I JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE, AND I WANT TO HAVE FREEDOM. FUCK THE FUCKING NIGGER JEW KIKE MUSLIM SJW COPORATE WHORE SHITTY TORIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>60758456
do they have any real chance to get any members in the government or are they just an iconic party? what are their programs?

>>60758517
join their discord and ask? idk

only thing I know about the pirate party is they managed to get some MP's elected in Sweden

>>60758456
>horsefuckers
>crypto antifa facists and full blown sjws
Yeah nah. No pirates died within their first year because "liberals" thought it was a party for them.

>>60758511
>Want it to fucking stop
>want to have freedom
>nigger jew kike muslim sjw

I'm not even living in UK but damn, I feel ya

>>60757908
>prohibits lots of sites
Really? They just banned few torrent sites (which are still accessible via mirrors), few opposition sites, a bit more gambling ones (but there is still lots of mirrors) and that's it.
>deep packet inspection
They do not have enough money to do it properly. In case of some sort of threat to the regime they will just cut the connection to the outer world.
>govs want to block telegram for not sharing keys
They already own it.

Despite all media bullshit russian internet is a still pretty free place. Nobody cares about piracy, vpns work great, social networks does not actively filter anti-gov content.

>>60757923
what did you expect? the country is run by women and pussies. terrorism is not going to stop until you go hard on it and shoot anyone who commits terrorism.

>>60758511
Move to Switzerland :^)

>>60758559
Yeah, but UK police generally doesn't have guns.

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>>60758541
you already have a SJW as PM

She's just 1984 on anything that's not social issues

>>60758559
90% of UK police officers don't handle guns

>>60758595
what an absolutely worthless country

>>60758651
yeah, and they keep reelecting Elizabeth II

>>60758555

This. Even if they tried, there would be enough resources to stop people. I get that they want to crack down on individuals who use encryption to hide evidence but outright banning it won't solve it.

Saying that though, this is an issue pushed by law enforcement rather than one political party. Labour will do the exact same thing if they get in.

>>60758595
great idea lets disarm the good guys and give the bad guys an incentive to commit their crimes.

>>60758297
there the memeist party of them all
the stand in like 2 seats

>>60758293
The libertarians are a meme party in their current state. They literally want to remove all regulations even ones for safety like environment/civil ones because "muh invisible hand" despite the fact that many of those regulatiobs existing because of the invisible hand failing.

>>60758670
the criminals here dont carry guns here either
The police normally protest against plans to arm them as it means they think criminals will start carrying them if they start

>>60758560
Oh yeah. That's pretty based and i speak some German.

>>60757752
This woman is such a Canute.

>>60758595
>UK police beat criminals with billie clubs
>N. Ireland police beat criminals with shillelaghs
Sounds about right.

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>>60758769
>>UK police beat criminals with billie clubs

hey now, stead on there chap, that's a bit too much

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the choices are
Theresa May
>orwellian bitch
>but willl get brexit
>might decrease immigration but cant trust her to keep promises
Corbyn
>borderline commie
>absoulte retards in cabinet like abbot and thornburry
>Wants brexit and less imigration but the party behind him doesnt let him
Britain is fuggged DDDD

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>>60758321
Can someone give me a quick rundown on this man?

>>60758559
Why would you want to stop terrorism? It's great political opportunity. Don't fight it Anon. Join us until it's not too late.

>>60758282
"whats an encryption?"

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>>60758834
That thing is nearly as hot as the Google gal

>>60758828
m8, thats not even the worst of corbyns policy, the fucker actually wants nuclear disarment for britain, and his cabinet is filled with literal self professed marxists

>>60757756
But what you failed to consider is that it isn't the corporations that will
have to comply with the new encryption laws, it will be the guilty by default
citizens who will have all their privacy striped away in the name of safety after
a knee jerk reaction to a FEW people who got hurt or killed. (boo hoo so sad)

if you want to stop terrorist attacks, stop fucking letting the goat fuckers into the country
literally turn them away at the boarders for no reason other than they could possibly be
from the 'religion of peace'.

>but muh political relations with the middle east for oil
maybe it is time to end our dependence on enabling the middle east's war

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How the fuck are they planning to pull that off?
I think it would be more financially viable to just not operate/sell in the UK for some smaller companies than to add in a backdoor and suffer the public backlash.

>>60758922
>if you want to stop terrorist attacks, stop fucking letting the goat fuckers into the country
>literally turn them away at the boarders for no reason other than they could possibly be from the 'religion of peace'.

Isn't that religious discrimination?

>>60758946
He'll just defend it, anon.

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>>60758438
>FUCK ORANGE AND FUCK ORANGE PEOPLE!!!

>>60758838
you are a genius and you are right. this would be a perfect opportunity for more conservative politicians to gain political power but I do want my fellow UK brothers to be safe.

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>>60758922
>literally turn them away at the boarders for no reason other than they could possibly be
from the 'religion of peace'.

What will that mean for Middle Eastern/South Asian Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Zoroastrians and people of other religions prevalent in these areas?

Imagine a Sikh getting turned away at the border for wearing a turban because the people doing the rejections were too ignorant to know the difference.

>>60758922
You can't just simply ban a person because of their religion, that's against the law and will cause a terrible reaction among the populace for religious discrimination. You have to have clear evidence they intend to cause harm inside the country.

>>60759101
>You have to have clear evidence they intend to cause harm inside the country.
>implying the /pol/tards posting in this thread care about evidence or logic
You took the bait, anon.

>>60759101
If this in reference to the US the ban very clearly is associated with countries of origin

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>>60757752
Is anyone surprised?
britcucks want this to happen, so it happens.

>>60757752

>have autism
>get into government
>do autistic things
>send everyone back to 1424

>It's a 'spastic yanks base their knowledge of UK politics on bait from /pol/' thread

My favourite

>>60758210
They will ban primes first

>>60757906
>childless unelected bag who thinks O'Brien is the hero in 1984
>FREE STUFF Marxist who will thinks NHS style government management is something that all sectors of British life needs
>throngs of mouthbreathing shortbus parties run by utter incompetents

Hell of a choice there bongs

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Fuck leddit, but saw this today

>>60757752
>Ban math
They should never let tech illiterates like her make decisions or even suggestions about things she clearly doesn't understand.

>>60757752
Theresa Maymay may end up losing to Corbyn, which I genuinely thought nobody would be able to do.

>>60757756
>>60757825
>>60758220
>>60757942
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/tp-link-blocks-open-source-router-firmware-to-comply-with-new-fcc-rule/
TP-Link blocks open source router firmware to comply with new FCC rule
Rules for limiting interference could prevent use of DD-WRT and OpenWRT.
Networking hardware vendor TP-Link says it will prevent the loading of open source firmware on routers it sells in the United States in order to comply with new Federal Communications Commission requirements.

TP-Link says the change will go into effect for routers produced on and after June 2, 2016, a date set by the FCC in guidance issued in November. "All devices partially or completely approved under the old rules cannot be marketed starting June 2, 2016 unless they meet the requirements of the new rules in all the bands of operation," the FCC guidance says.
TP-Link says the changes it is making mean that "users are not able to flash the current generation of open-source, third-party firmware."
TP-Link's FAQ points out that "the regulation affects all manufacturers marketing routers in the US."
Eric Schultz, a free and open source software advocate who is involved with the Save Wi-Fi coalition, is not optimistic about open source developers being able to rewrite their software. "As for whether the open source community can meet the requirements, not without moving the entire radio controlling software to a separate processor like on a cell phone,"
says that hardware makers should “implement well-defined measures to ensure that certified equipment is not capable of operating with RF-controlling software for which it has not been approved."

>>60760239
To be fair most of the NHS's inefficiency stems from creeping privatisation. there was an overnight increase in %GDP cost from 5 to 7 when internal competition was introduced, and yet it manages to remain 1st or 2nd most cost effective health system globally (depending on which study you use).

Not saying Corbyn won't ruin everything with his intense unpopularity among all other people in the world. I almost hope he wins because if the pound crashes just after I've bought a house I won't lose much capital and it will be a great time to sell cryptocurrency, since most of these crashes are transient.

>>60760510
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/13/openwrt_gets_update_in_face_of_fccs_antiflashing_push/
FCC which late in August issued a proposed rule-making that would demand Wi-Fi “lock down”.
specifically proposes requiring Wi-Fi vendors to lock down their firmware and names OpenWrt as a problem.
vendors selling kit in America would have to answer “What prevents third parties from loading non-US versions of the software/firmware on the device? Describe in detail how the device is protected from “flashing” and the installation of third-party firmware such as DD-WRT”.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/09/fcc-open-source-router-software-is-still-legal-under-certain-conditions/
Despite an FCC guidance to router manufacturers that seems to ban open source firmware such as DD-WRT and OpenWRT, FCC spokesperson Charles Meisch told Ars that there is in fact no such ban.
The FCC is considering additional rule changes that could further restrict router modifications, but the most immediate cause of concern in the open source community is a guidance released in March that describes how manufacturers should comply with new security requirements for devices
The guidance says, among other things, that hardware makers seeking equipment certification should ensure that “only properly authenticated software is loaded and operating the device,” and they should describe to the FCC “how the device is protected from ‘flashing’ and the installation of third-party firmware such as DD-WRT.”
While that sounds like a ban on DD-WRT and similar software, FCC officials say it must be viewed in context
Eric Schultz, community manager at the Prpl Foundation and a free and open source software advocate, believes that the FCC is making it very difficult to install third-party router firmware despite having "the best of intentions”

>>60757763
> ban crypto
> have to figure out what the crypto is to identify and ban it
how do they think it will work?

>>60760556
>>60760510
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3044594/open-source-tools/tp-link-blocks-open-source-router-firmware-to-comply-with-new-fcc-rules.html
TP-Link blocks open-source router firmware to comply with new FCC rules
Other manufacturers are quietly blocking open-source firmware, too.
FCC Software Security Requirements document, issued the following instruction to router manufacturers applying for a license to sell their devices: “Describe in detail how the device is protected from ‘flashing’ and the installation of third-party firmware such as DD-WRT.”
The FCC insisted it wasn’t banning open-source router firmware
It instructs router manufacturers to:
Describe, if the device permits third-party software or firmware installation, what mechanisms are provided by the manufacturer to permit integration of such functions while ensuring that the RF parameters of the device cannot be operated outside its authorization for operation in the U.S.
Unfortunately, as Kathy Giori, senior product manager at Qualcomm Atheros, told Ars Technica: “The easiest way [for router manufacturers] to comply is to lock down the whole platform. Just lock down the whole thing and the FCC is happy.”
Router manufacturers haven’t wanted to comment on the record about this, but it appears that TP-Link, Rosewill, and Netgear, at least, have quietly rolled out updates that prevent unauthorized firmware installation on existing routers.
TP-Link is now the first router manufacturer to come forward and say it’s “limiting the functionality of its routers” in the United States to comply with FCC regulations. Open-source firmware installation won’t be allowed. TP-Link even posted an official FAQ on the subject, noting that “the regulation affects all manufacturers marketing routers in the U.S.” I wouldn’t be surprised to see other router manufacturers confirm the same thing soon—or just not comment as they begin shipping locked-down routers.

>>60758118
>Queen is german
She loves sandniggers

>>60757752
OY VEY GIVE UP YOUR PRIVACY TO STOP TERRORISTS
*open borders*

>>60758559
you want to scare suicide bombers by death penalty? genius.

>>60758559
>terrorism is not going to stop until you go hard on it and shoot anyone who commits terrorism.
....You do know that most of them set out to die, right? It's not exactly a deterrent to say "we'll shoot you", they want to die. And they did get shot anyway.

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>>60760239
I like how when people say "healthcare is free" they are corrected with "it's not free, it's paid for by taxpayers". Yet, those same people argue that governments give out "free stuff".

Corporations get away with paying bugger all tax, there's no reason not to reform the whole system. There's also no reason that marginal tax rates shouldn't exist for corporations .The current government constantly bangs on about no money being available for public services and at the same time cuts top marginal tax rates and corporation tax heavily. Even without reform, putting up corporation tax to where it was in 2010 (still the lowest among G7 nations I believe) is not going to drive businesses away - despite elitist scaremongering claims. No-one is going to leave a 65 million person marketplace because they have to pay a bit more in taxes, it's a ridiculous notion.

>>60760888
>>60761000
Extend the death penalty to their associates as well.

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>>60761063
we already do

>>60761063
chaos, may as well return to burning witches

you know they burn terrorist family houses in russian kavkaz? very effective, not very constitutional but effective

>>60757922
because we're one big collective of retards

every leader wants to get rid of crypto. they are just coming up with excuses to do so.

If you have nothing to hide, why care? Privacy is nothing but an idiotic idea that sprung into peoples minds when people invented multi story houses with doors.

And then, some random fag from the internet wants my data because 'I have nothing to hide'. Problem is, you're not law-enforcement but a guy who posts on 4chan. I'm perfectly okay with the people who give me insurance to know whatever I post.

What makes autists so butthurt about this? I genuinely don't get it, this is a non-troll post from a programmer who doesn't give a damn about politics.

>>60758297
I donated like 6 years ago to the PPUK

>>60761533
>programmer
>doesn't have a slightest idea of how encryption works or why it's important

2/10, made me reply.

>>60758890
I'm all for nuclear disarmament. It makes complete sense. However, the disposal method for the nuclear weapons will have to be detonating them in middle eastern countries.

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>>60761533
Trump!!! with put an end to these crypto fags!!!
Fuck Terrorists!!

>>60760527
Corbyn is not intensely unpopular among all other people in the world, just British tabloids.

>>60761031
Corporate tax is 19% and they don't have to pay it because of loopholes.
I pay 20% income tax and I don't get any loopholes for that. Yes please, tax my £25,000 but don't tax 2.5 billion

Tell me why I should care instead of giving me a */10.

I develop software for a living and in western Europe over 75% of my specific sector uses the software from my company. I had to fix database entries of customer who managed to fuck up, but never once with anything crypto-related.

You know when I last had to use any crypto-technology? When I was ordering psys off alphabay. I still use it, but I wouldn't be mad or surprised in the slightest if they banned it however they can.

>>60761904
You're using crypto right now to post on 4chan, dimwir.

>>60761904
>You know when I last had to use any crypto-technology?
The last time you loaded any https page. I don't believe the part about you being a programmer, by the way, because it's pretty clear that you know absolutely nothing about information technology.

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>>60761533
>If you have nothing to hide, why care?
Why is this poorly thought out bait always posted?

>>60760527
That's always the rub with government services. They rely on the good faith of their workers and management to remain effective while bureaucratic pressure and political forces dictate they expand in budget and undertake projects that don't carry the same risks that would (in theory at least) open private entities to being out competed.
>>60761031
Companies don't move their operations, here in the United States they purchase a company in a country with friendlier taxes or incorporate a holding company there and then transfer ownership to that foreign entity. Pfizer did it when they purchased AstraZeneca back in 2014 for example. It's difficult to stop this because the new host country loves it due to the new revenue. Ireland has been a big target for this as I'm sure you'll remember. You end up with the situation where you fuck over small to mid size business and big business move their "headquarters" elsewhere. It's a shitty and unethical move for sure but it's the sad truth of international business. Still, I am with you that in an ideal world a reasonable marginal corporate tax rate would be a fine way to tax businesses. It just doesn't work in the world as it stands. I'm not sure what effect the 2016 actions Obama took have had but in 2014 they got worse in what was an attempt to slow them down.

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Can't wait to see British anons arrested for hate speech over their shitposts.

>>60757752
as soon as UK becomes easy pickings for the rest of the entire world, including but not limited to the middle east, this will be reversed as fast as possible

i'm not a cyber criminal but i imagine one could really quite justify picking on the uk so they realize that they are fucking stupid

nothing is better than crimes that can be justified so nicely

>>60761983
>>60761940
My browser says unprotected connection and I'm posting on http not https. I don't have your autismal browser addons if that is what it's about.


And I am programmer and earn my money for living off it. But instead of you I don't tread it like some special secret club membership, I'm just a honest joe computer construction worker who doesn't have the sun shining out his ass.

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>>60757752
This is the future.

Technology advances.
The majority population continue to back every initiative that aims to erode any sense of trust between countrymen.
Governments and major organisations are forced to enact strict, mass surveillance.

Ted was right.
Ted was right.
Ted was right.

>>60762206
>I don't have your autismal browser addons if that is what it's about.

You need to return to Reddit if you don't know how to use 4chan's built in features, Mr. "Programmer."

>https banned is the future
>no form of encryption
british falls to hackers when?

>>60758890
All of that sounds fucking great. Looks like you've got an incredibly easy choice.

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>>60757752
>boing
>boing

>encryption is killed
>Terrorists just go back to using manual codes and continue on unscathed

>>60761813
>I'm all for nuclear disarmament. It makes complete sense.
only it doesnt. weakness in the context of power politics is an invitation for war, and all the shelling in the world cant compare to a nuclear attack, nukes are what keep great powers from going to war with each other.

>>60762393
dont i just? fucking socialist cunts.

>>60762330
When I joined there was yotsube a, b and other chink options. If there's something else beside the goldbergstein pass, I don't even care.

>>60757752
This is a good thing. Only terrorists are pedophiles should be worried about this.

>>60758935
Right is superior.

>>60758935
this^

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>>60762030
>...undertake projects that don't carry the same risks that would (in theory at least) open private entities to being out competed.

Agreed. This gets confused with the "inefficiency of monopoly" when it's actually external top-down mgmt bullshit.

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>>60757923
> he thinks it's to try and stop terrorism not about the government making a power grab

>>60758381
you are getting there soon bro with your pajeet

>>60762678
Its kinda triggering me how her hair is slightly off colored in some of those

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>>60758828
>Wants brexit
>corbine
The guy who went to apologize to the EU Parliament after the BREXIT vote passed?
lel you guys are beyond naive

Reddit please leave my thread REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>60757752
Cryptography just helps terrorists commit more terrorism.

^b8

It's incredible how all you barbarians are absolutely stupid when it comes to civilians defense and international politic. Since the world war 2 Italy fought all kind of terrorism with its intelligence (red terrorism, black terrorism, mafia terrorism, military trying to take the power 2 or 3 times) and we still have all of the rights we are supposed to in a normal western state, way better than so called land of freedom ecc.
We are the first who got menaces from the ISIS (we will burn Rome they said or something like that) and we still had no attacks, while half of the sandnigger pass from here to enter Europe. We just kick out like 50 a month after investigating them and were done.

Your governments are absolutely fucking you in the ass, they don't have to close the borders or remove privacy, police has just to do their fucking job by tracking the suspects entering and exiting the state and asking questions in troubled zones.
Seriously this is crazy.
Also, Italy rarely shot a bullet in every military mission in the middle east, we're always there for recognition and defence, we at least tried to not destroy that poor peoples land, fucking america is the root of all of this.

>>60762840
>^b8
think about it the terrorists are taking away our freedom of speech we need to do everything we can to stop them or we could just make cryptography for white people only.

>>60758386
the official libertarian party has been overrun with left-libertarians and it's full of SJW's now.

I want Ron Paul back dammit

>>60763098
this, pizza man is right

>>60763276
>even worse b8

>>60762660
Yup. The truth is bureaucracy actually has to compete. Their market is government money, they need to justify their budget and fight for more if they want to expand. Ultimately NOT spending their budget is punished more than exceeding it. You spend too much, then you obviously need more because that means you're underfunded! You wouldn't want to take money from the sick right? Then you have politicians who have to own the issue in the eyes of the public. It's a much harder sell that this organization is wasteful and/or bloated and needs to be reigned in or streamlined than it is simply underfunded due to the public backlash for letting it get there or the threat of that being used against you. You have what can be attributed to regular old inefficiency that snowballs because no one wants to own the responsibility, they're greasing some palms or just tacking on a misguided/popular program to a public institution.

>>60763098
Yes, America really needs a better police state. The Italian Gestapo should be the gold standard. The police should be able to do random checks in people houses to make sure they are not committing terrorism. This is the only way we can stay safe. We need to ban all immigration and make strong borders too to prevent terrorists from entering this country.

>>60758386
>there are people who still want Gary "what's a leppo" Johnson in the white house
lmao

>>60762021
because people like you always respond to it, fuckhead

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>>60763503
true

>>60763738
This can't be real. Sauce me.

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>>60758595
WRONG

>>60763650
Yeah ok, hope this 1984 hell doesn't become the norm. At least we have a truly working constitution and everybody here has enough criminal cleverness to understand when the state is taking too much

>>60763578
>even worse b8
We don't need cryptography because it just sounds liberal. I could imagine leftest fags in silicon valley using that word at work.

>>60763762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpbCJWauv9I

enjoy

>>60763777
>be american
>get shot
>even in other countries

>>60763831
Christ, the Founders are probably rolling around in their graves. Welp, I guess human dignity is off the table completely now.

>>60757851
underrated

>>60763836
All American citizens carry the curse of "bullet magnetism." Bullets are drawn to us no matter where we go.

>>60758456
Unless they go down the drain like Sweden's. Started out as fairly sound criticism against arbitrary surveillance and excessive copyright terms without taking a left/right stance... only to make a sharp turn left into refugees welcome territory, kicking nationalists, liberals and libertarians from the party. They had seats in the EP, but have now collapsed into a fart at most.

Will Britfags have to use a VPN to visit 4chan after she's reelected?

>>60764086
They won't be able to legally use VPNs, either.

>>60764086
No she'll go full fascist and make VPNs illegal too. She'll probably make vans illegal too at this rate.

>>60757752
>trying to control what is posted on the internet
My sides.

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>>60764171
why do you need cryptography is you have nothing to hide

hmmmmm

>>60758252
Italy

>>60764218
>le "you don't need security and privacy if you do not do anything illegal" meme

>>60764171
How are they going to arrest you if vans are illegal

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How's that Conservative thing workin' out for ya?

>>60758190
Politics 101, when will a company that needs net neutrality start to lobby here in the usa?

>>60758192
kek

>>60757937
pol get out

>>60763887
Hidden: If nigger, the magnitism is multiplied by 1000. Increasing the chances of a bullet flying in their direction. Hence the constant nig outs when one winds up dead to a gun.

>terorrism used to promote a totalitarian state
>muh /pol/ was wrong

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>>60764684
So potent is the magnetism, that guns fly to them also. Hence why so many innocent dead PoCs are found with a weapon.

>>60757752
>the internet cannot be allowed to provide a "safe space" for terrorists
She said that.

>therefore working cryptography must be banned in the UK.
She didn't say that.

>>60764476
Netflix and Google don't even care anymore, so probably never

>>60764813
Netflix and google aren't the only big players. Consider fintech and the larger transactions happening online like legal agreements.

>>60764867
Oh you mean a bunch of shit that takes hardly any bandwidth at all. Yeah I wouldn't hold your breath

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>>60757752
RIP UK

>>60758362
underrated post

>>60758386
>>60758293
>>60758276

libertarian is a fucking meme

large corporations are just as bad if not worse than the government

>>60757752
Laughing at you brits here in the states. Feels good living in a free country. Enjoy your islamic state.

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>>60765008
Linux users are terrorists.
Ban all Linux distros or else be uncreative.

>All encryption and open source software becomes illegal in UK
>Literally only closed source software like OS X or windows is allowed
>Terrorist attacks still keep happening
What is teresa may going to blame next after that?

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The lib dems want a digital bill of rights. Dare I say it...is he /ourguy/?

>Waah wwaaaahh now I can't download child porn and blacked porn without the government knowing.
Glad Theresa May is curbing degeneracy, fucking cucks are getting BTFO

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>>60765267
Lib dems are unironically pretty cool, but they completely fucked themselves over in 2010, literally on the same sort of level as UKIP in terms of support.

>>60765321
Well there is a good chance that labour will split and the torys might aswell if Teresa fucks up brexit. Lib dems could make a comeback.

>>60757763
>>60760577
it's no cryptocurrency retards

>>60765301
This, just more libcuck whining. Those with nothing to hide have no problems with this.

>>60765376
Nah, I doubt Labour will split. Maybe if the election had gone like everyone thought it was going to in April, but they made a big comeback and even though the Tories are still going to win by a decent margin (probably), it's shown that Labour isn't dead and that the people are willing to vote for Corbyn. Lib dems are going to stay 4th party-tier for probably a whole generation.

>>60765402
How exactly will cryptocurrency work when cryptography is banned, retard?

>>60765534
You don't need memecoin when it's only used to buy drugs

>>60765076
This, people like to talk about how the big bad gubmint is gonna screw us all over, but the big corporations are already screwing us over, and have been for years now. But the conservacucks and alt-rightists turn a blind eye to it. Faggots.

>>60757752
i don't really get how it will be enforced, like let's take SHA-256 for example. It's literally maths, and i heard it was very easy to implement in pure logic like on an ASIC. There was literally a guy who did it by hand on a youtube video. What the fuck stops me from sending PGP using mail?

>>60765076
>>60765557
The way I see it is that both government and corporations are evil, but the corporations are the lesser evil. I can form my own company and maybe it'll become big, but realistically I'll never be able to form a government of my own that's recognized as legitimate.

>>60765620
hint: it won't
she doesn't actually know what she's talking about and will probably promptly be told to stfu by her advisors, she's just beating her chest because she needs to blame something and it certainly isn't going to be the muslims.

>>60758252
russia

>>60757752
hah! the tptb plan is really to create a dystopian control state over mud people, or at least that's what they have these puppets to say. Maybe they're just confirming our responses on known data this time. Perhaps to avoid chaos...

>>60765136
GNU/Linux is an OS of peace

>>60761533
>>60765493
>nothing to hide, nothing to fear

You're posting anonymously on an internet forum when you can easily put your name in the 'Name' field.

Do you have something to hide?

>>60765658
>I can form my own company and maybe it'll become big
Only because of regulations placed on existing big corporations by the Government that prevent unbreakable monopolies being formed. If there were no regulations you would not be competing with the hyper mega MicroGoogle Corp. that controls the planet and manufactures every product you use.

>>60758209
>The Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority
American election system?

>>60758381
>'murica
>countryballs
Wow, its just like reddit

>>60758828
>>60762776
It isnt looking good Ill give you that
I'm voting UKIP, that way, with any luck, whoever wins will be pressured for a hard brexit
Thats about as much of a win as we can ask for

>>60765658
See, I've got a different notion of that. I see government as the lesser evil, because it at least has a chance of giving a fuck about ordinary people. Big corporations with their "the sole purpose of a firm is to make money for its shareholders" only give a damn about making money, period.

>>60765727
Wow, it's just like someone forgot that countryballs were a staple on here some years back.

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>>60765727
countryballs were invented on krautchan

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>>60765700

>>60765790
>some years back
lets look at the other things that were a staple on here some years back

>>60765659
yeah instead of blaming a race of people lets blame numbers and shit.

never thought i'd say this but i want banter Dave back, i talked shit about him non stop but now that i've seen the alternative i don't like what im seeing.

>>60765768
>>60765714
Big megacorps exist because of regulations put in place that make it very costly and difficult for a competing company to rise up. Why do you think corporations like disney and microsoft love big government that extends their copyright laws and privileges to control what kind of competition can happen.

>>60765790
So were ragecomics dickweed, you going to post a few of those? Memes become stale.

>>60765817
And here I remember hearing
>memes are everywhere
>memes are eternal
>memes will guide us all
Was 4chan wrong, then? Is meme magic a lie? Which is it?

>>60765814
Yes, I'm sure Microsoft loves big gov and its regulations for constantly getting on its dick and reducing their internet browser market share from 90% to 4% within 10 years

>>60765814
>Big megacorps paid politicians to have regulations put in place that make it very costly and difficult for a competing company to rise up.
ftfy

>>60765839
>meme magic
>>>/r/eddit

>>60765875
Meme magic has always been /pol/ and you fucking know it, don't try to deny it.

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>>60761533
>>60764218

>>60765888
and from where does the majority of /pol/'s userbase come from since its recreation?

>>60765857
Internet explorer dropped because it was incredibly shitty and mozilla and google were able to make a better browser.

>>60765861
Exactly one of my points. You can't stop corporations with big government especially when they can use said big government to craft laws to give them even more power.

>>60765911
Your mom's anus, duh.

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when I was young I kept a journal written in a simple code. would stuff like that also be banned if encryption were banned?

>>60765915
What, you think IE was better than Netscape? It didn't hold on to its massive market share because it was a good browser, and it's no coincidence that it started losing that market share after the antitrust suits came against them.

tell me when they figure out how to ban mathematics

otherwise i just dont see how this could possibly work

>>60765941
thats a pretty cool cypher anon, mind explaining it?

>>60765817
>Memes become stale.
Unfortunately we live in the universe where people stopped bothering to create funny new shit, posters on 4chan are still posting Wojak 7 years later, Pepe 9 years later, and fucking baneposting 6 years later, and the internet in general has become one big ocean of piss with no separate site cultures.

>>60765941
It's all Greek to me.

>>60765957
If I recall it wasn't till around 6 when microsoft got extremely lazy and stopped caring about making 6 good and firefox came out and took a huge chunk of their market share.

>>60757882
TERRORISTS WIN

>>60766047
IE was not a good browser before then either, Netscape always put it to shame. IE had a 90% market share at the turn of the century and it remained above 75% until 2006 when it started rapidly losing market share to Firefox, which then itself collapsed around 2011 when Chrome blasted every other browser out of the water (it currently has an 80% market share)

>Lets create a police state instead of restricting non-white immigration and refusing refugees
Epic. It's times like this where every politician should wear a WhatWouldJapanDo wristband

>>60757756
gr8 b8 m8

>>60766122
I hope you're not implying Japan has a functional society.

>>60761533
>>60761533
Your personal information is your property. In modern society, it has value. Even if you do not wish to capitalise on that value yourself, surely it is offensive to you for others to get rich off your back. Imagine if your unwashed T-shirts suddenly became valuable overnight. You might not sell them and become rich yourself, but if people started hammering on your door saying, "Give us your T-shirts! We will give you £1 each for them! Why aren't you accepting £1 per T-shirt, you utter retard?!", it wouldn't be long before you told those people to fuck off, because they are scheming and they clearly think they can manipulate you. They think you're stupid. It's insulting.

>>60764300
Nothing is illegal for government. I 100% guarantee you any suggest of banning encryption would exclude government use.

>>60766122
>restricting non-white immigration and refusing refugees
What would that help with when terrorists tend to not be immigrants?

>>60766122
>Whatwouldjapando
Absolute conformity and work like a slave till you kill yourself

>>60766122
Become an extremely depressed salaryman, rape a few school girls on the train home, then grow old with no young people in the country left to care for you?

>>60764272
italy doesn't bomb half of the middle east, which is what the other retarded EU cuntries are doing, while hosting refugees and passing them to the north. ISIS cannot risk to have such an important bridge hostile and alerted.
Also, after having to fight mafia in sicily I can fucking bet that they'd be able to catch muhammad with bombs.

>>60766161
Nearly all of them are 2nd generation immigrants.
>>60766187
Epic

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>>60765768
>Being correct
>In this thread of all places

>>60765376
I really don't know why everyone is clamouring for a centrist milktoast Labour party. Both Brown and Miliband showed that does not work any more, people are tried of it after Blair.

Why not try an actual leftist populist movement for once, it's been 40 years! Things are not the same, right-wing corporatism has taken over as I'm sure people back then who didn't vote for Thatcher knew it would.

>>60765759
What's with you whiney little brexiteers? You're just pathetically greedy and that's what makes you incomparably poor..

The fact that this thread is essentially discussing what an ignorant sack of shit the conservative government is, May's attempting to shit on EU-established laws for better and fairer technology and markets, shows that this is not a thread that supports the Brexit retardation which invite isolation and dictatorship by morons.
Fuck off to North Korea, you delusion loving coward.

>>60766243
So block certain people from immigrating because of what their kids might do of their own volition when they become adults? That falls on the same level of stupid as the anti gunners who want to make guns difficult to own legally because someone may steal your gun and commit a crime with it.

>>60766346
Corbyn's fanbase are exactly the demographics that never normally vote. It might pay off, but it's like a company deciding to make a car aimed specifically at people who don't drive. It's a gamble.

Also, the Corbyn agenda, while commendable, shares a lot of policies with the traditional standpoints of the Green Party and Liberal Democrats. That's who I normally vote for, but you might have noticed that no other fucker votes for them.

>>60766519
But he's not "going for the young vote", they just happen to align with his views, which is why he got elected as Labour leader easily, twice. It's not like they sat down and went "right, let's get some old socialist who has always been on the fringe of the party and put him in charge, that'll work!"

The fact that he's as anti-establishment as a non-independent MP gets is a good thing.

>>60758266
> is it too much to ask for a liberal party with an understanding of modern technology
Yes.

Cuck.

>>60758266
Libcuck, Theresa May is the only one who cares about order and freedom from terrorism.

false flag hoax events:
westminster
manchester
ldn bridge

all that bs for banning encryption - gotta be more to it than that

>>60766569
I still consider it top bants that Corbyn has voted against his own party over 300 times and now he's their leader. I probably wouldn't have voted against Labour 300 times, and I have never voted for them in my life. The guy is effectively an independent who has been handed the reins to the second-largest party in the country.

>>60760666
Satan bringing the truth

>>60766684
Good, do not enable lefties, commies, and other degenerates.

>>60766476
Yes exactly and no it is not the same. Immigration is a privilege not a right every citizen has a right to protect themselves. Britain's native population is dropping and they also have the right to maintain their identity and not fall into a country of anarchy and division for the beauty of multiculturalism.

>>60766765
>Britain's native population is dropping
No it's not. It has experienced consistent growth since WW2.

>>60765658
And running for office is even harder than running a business?

>>60766684
If she's so eager to ban encryption, why is she deliberately tanking the election so Jeremy Corbyn has to negotiate Brexit and so unavoidably goes down as the worst Prime Minister in British history?

>>60766801
You fool you know I didnt mean in absolute terms only relatively to foreigners.

>>60766765
>b-but X is a privilege
It's still shit tier reasoning to operate on and always will be no matter what it's applied to, whether it be immigration or gun ownership in countries outside of the US where that is considered a privilege.

>>60766854
But that's not a surprise. First generation immigrants from poor countries have high birth rates, they tend to fall in line with the national average after a couple of generations. Keep in mind that Britain has been constantly allowing a stream of immigrants in since the 1950s thanks to its collapsing colonial empire, and every decade the fearmongers say "we'll be completely overrun in (x amount of years in the future)!!!" Even this refugee crisis has hardly managed to change the demographics of the country, Britain already doesn't give a fuck about it and takes way less than what the international community considers to be its "fair share".

The "Eurabia" prediction is not new, it is made all the time, and it fails to come true every time.

>>60765700
GNU/Linux is the OS of transvestites
Proprietary systems are the way to go.
Fuck Open source Commie GPL

>>60766938
>posting facts
lol what a fag here look at my jpeg i downloaded from the /pol/ page on facebook that proves you wrong europe is LITERALLY 90% muslim right now

>>60758282
Pretty sure they're libertarian as fuck, at least Nigel was. Personally I dislike that but on some issues, such as encryption, that's a pretty good thing.

>>60766925
No it isnt you jew, England doesnt have to allow in immigrants especially not at the current rate
>>60766938
Of course Britain doesn't care its practically America at this point. Theres several areas in England where natives are the minority and their London mayor is a foreigner too. The problem with the "Eurabia" scare is that Europe won't be packed full of foreigners the problem is that the culture and apperance of people will change. Spanish and Italians look different than other Europeans because of the constant race mixing with Arabic people. With the stream of immigrants to Europe native features like blue eyes and blonde hair will cease to exist and it is definitely falling now. So you see its a change of identity in Europe that is the problem here, people will always mix in to the population faster than what is being put in.

>>60758258
>Poland is doing okay
Poland doesn't need terrorists because living in Poland is terrifying on itself.

>shitty economy
>shitty weather
>shitty living conditions
>shitty people

It's only good if you're a well off foreigner, then the girls will atach to you and be your bitches for th remote possibility of bailing them from that shithole.

>>60766991
Bill Gates get of my board.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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this, among other things, is the reason I'm never moving to the UK, no matter what offers I get. (same goes for most of the rest of Europe, and Australia as well)

>>60767180
>England doesnt have to allow in immigrants
They also don't have to allow you to own guns, but that doesn't change how your logic is shit.

>>60767278
Australia is a haven for rich successful people, with no economic crisis in modern history. Their internet is a little locked down but who gives a fuck when you have rich outdoor sports and super-fine people to fuck and hang out with.
The real reason to not move their is that it'll be uninhabitable in a few years due to global warming.
Where are you gonna go? Japan? Good luck. Switzerland? Almost as difficult. Meanwhile NA is just a worse version of the UK.
Europe is completely different and diverse, with many EU wide laws which the UK is attempted to subvert ahead of their failure to leave.

>>60767278
> American never leaving America
wew, anon, care to do an AMA?

>>60767375
Stop it friend you're not going anywhere with this. You're comparing the rights of citizens with the rights of non-citizens.

>>60767420
I never said not leaving America, just not going to regions listed

>>60767427
>You're comparing the rights of citizens with the rights of non-citizens.
>"rights" of citizens
You don't have a right to own a gun in the UK, and you don't have a right to be on 4chan either. Please give reasons why should shouldn't be stripped of those privileges because someone down the line might commit a crime because of your use of those privileges. Being a citizen doesn't make a privilege any less of a privilege.

>>60767454
Fair enough. Top 3 countries on your list?

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>>60767379
Probably going to see if I can serve the great nation-state on Sealand; the last bastion of freedom in the world.

>>60765768
The issue with this kind of thinking is that while it applies locally, it doesn't apply when it comes to a large federal government that covers dozens of states and tens of millions of people this is no longer true, which is why libertarians prefer small government to both large government and no government.

>>60767476
In no particular order: Iceland, Canada, Sealand

>>60757752
Politicians who don't know what a fucking byte is have been saying shit like that for decades or even centuries.

>>60767468
Alright whatever rights no rights that's irrelevent its still passed to the citizens of the country and not extended beyond it. We're talking priority here; a citizen has a higher priority than a non-citizen. You're doing some strange mental gymnastics here thinking a citizen should be treated equal to a non-citizen

>>60767519
>while it applies locally, it doesn't apply when it comes to a large federal government that covers dozens of states and tens of millions of people this is no longer true
Sure it applies, even for large continent-spanning federal governments; after all, I said "at least has a chance". I was allowing for the fact that bigger governments are, almost by necessity, impersonal. Regardless of the size or influence of government, my statement about big corporations still holds true, so IMO even big governments are *more likely* to act in its ordinary citizens' best interests than big corporations are. Sadly, governments of any size have proven vulnerable to the pernicious influence of corporations, which only act in their own interests, not those of the ordinary citizen.

>>60766145
This basically. Corporations sell us like we're nothing but a product, and we have exactly 0 say in who we get sold to, what of us gets sold, and how many times we can be sold. It's not even an issue of someone getting a piece of the profit from their data being sold. We're treated like cattle and it's disgusting

>>60767620
This.

>>60767612
Big governments tend to resemble corporations more than they resemble local governments, and they act as such, meaning they do whatever benefits them and their employees the most, and the rest of the world is an afterthought.

>>60767633
>>60767693
I get legitimately depressed over shit like this. Why is it so wrong to want to be treated like a fucking human being?

>>60767699
Because theres billions of us on this planet. Politicians get one shot at power and they'll gladly stomp on you for a little more

>>60767699
Because you're small and unimportant and David Cameron and John Beohner have better things to focus on like where they're going to vacation after they retire.

>>60767604
>You're doing some strange mental gymnastics
How so? Both situation concern privileges, not rights. When all you have protecting you in a country like the UK are privileges you should be cautious when getting rid of privileges with poor reasoning, because you very well could be the one having privileges you consider to be important removed next. That's the way history has worked and there's no reason to believe it will be different this time.

>>60767693
>Big governments tend to resemble corporations more than they resemble local governments
This is true; they're huge organizations with hundreds of thousands of people in their employ.

and they act as such, meaning they do whatever benefits them and their employees the most
There are certainly government members/people that try to do this. Some even succeed. That said, they are limited by the laws and regulations that define what they can do. Congress and the President have some say over these issues. Corporations have much less oversight, and they're fighting to have even less than that, citing arguments like "muh red tape" and "muh taxes", when that's just an excuse for their anti-competitive bad actions.

>and the rest of the world is an afterthought.
Taking you literally here; any government's primary responsibility is its own people first and foremost; it's nation-focused, after all. The rest of the world comes second, and as the government is willing to compromise with it.

>>60767791
True but my argument is priviliges to non-citizens which is what you're not understanding. They all have basic human rights but it ends there.

>>60767832
>but my argument is priviliges to non-citizens
Doesn't matter, they're held the same under the law and can be removed just as easily.