AHAHAHAHAHA A AHHAHAHAHAHA OH WOW MY SIDES No wonder they're

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Double ring bus strikes again.
It's not even 100% of a older arch 8 core.

>>60740186
Threadripper 16 core 3200 cinebrunch score confirmed?

>>60740566
Should be close.
Depends on clocks, but everyone's expecting something close to 3.5/3.6

MUH MONOLITHIC DIES!
MUH AVX512!
M-MUH M-MUH 4.9GHZ (under LN2 plz no remind me)

>>60740186
This is quite frankly pathetic, a 1700x2 using 60% less power would score the same with two less cores.

What the fuck, Intel?
WHAT THE FUCK

CORE I9 IS DOA. HAHAHAHA

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>>60740141
>165W TDP @ ~1V
>only 2.7Ghz base
>only 6 cores turbo to 3.4Ghz
>only 2 "preferred" cores will turbo to 4Ghz+
>Intel Mayonaise inside
>Water cooling recommended by default
>RFID chip for unlocking RAID functions via dongle
>$2000

Is this the most JUST processor released in recent memory or what?

>>60740775
>Intel Mayonaise inside
I'm late to the party, somebody aware me on this meme

>>60740810
Intel is dropping soldered TIM from their CPU manufacture entirely, pulling the heatspreader now reveals jizz even in their high-end parts and presumably, by extension, Xeons too.

>>60740810
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_s_skylake-x_and_kaby_lake-x_cpus_will_not_be_soldered/1

>>60740810
Intel is using shitty toothpaste instead of solider to this very day, preventing overclocking unless you DELID the chip and apply your own thermal paste or solider or liquid metal solution.

I'm not sure what the fuck I'm supposed to be looking for with that conglomeration

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>>60740868
>>60740885
>I thought DELID THIS was just some variant of spurdoposting
>mfw it's real

>>60740901
I think you should look for this
>>>/v/

The real question is, will VIA also btfo Intel?
Seems like anything's possible these days.

>>60740910
https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/

Explain to a the non initiated what is going on plox. Is AMD releasing something better than Intel?

>>60740966
Intel's core scaling is fucking terrible, ergo their Skylake-X lineup will end up terrible because it's all about more cores.

>>60740966
No, AMD peaks at 16 cores, while Intel is releasing an 18-core for consumers. AMDrones just mad that their precious Poojeet company lost in the core-count wars.

>>60740966
They already did when they released Ryzen, except for the i7-7700K and G4560 there's no reason to go Intel anymore. And the G4560's days are numbered, too. APU's will take that one out too, eventually.

>>60741010
This is so cute.

>>60740936
Intel should at least include this in their high end processors

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>>60741010
Go away, Brian.

>>60740775
no anon, there is literally a USB port on the motherboard where you can put the usb key

>>60741010
Doesn't matter if intel's cores scale like shit and cost a billion dollars.
Also AMD always gets 64 PCIE lanes, Intel maxes out at 44. Enjoy your house fire CPUs and being a lanelet

>>60740966
Intel releases new high-end platform against AMD.
AMD surprised Intel (and everyone else really) with thread ripper; more cores and features than Skymeme-X.
Intel gets buttblasted and announces several more HEDT processors above what they had previously announced, these are just repurposed Xeons.
Now the X299 platform is ridiculously fragmented as it has to support CPUs with core counts anywhere from 4-18, TDPs anywhere from 100-165w, PCI-E lanes anywhere from 16-44, and memory anywhere from two to four channels in one or two dimms per channel depending on CPU.
AMD chips are all consistent with feature set and are quite poaaibly going to be cheaper as well. Also its rumored that AMD's 16-core will br quitw a bit faster than Intel's 18-core.

TL;DR: Intel got caught with its pants down and full of shit.

>>60741085
>>60741008
>>60741024

Neat thanks

>>60741074
>house fire
>lanelet
Why are (You) so memed, friend?

>>60741010
AMD has a 32 core for servers

>>60741035
Oy vey, who should pay for that? Are you an antisemite?

>>60741085
Oh yeah, and on top of that, no one even KNOWS when these Intel chips will launch, because they haven't been validated for consumer use yet. It was said that they won't be out until 'sometime' next year, but by then TR will be out for several months and everyone who wanted something of it's caliber will have already bought AMD.

>>60741072
Yes, but it's very likely that the RFID chip is still there to validate the authenticity of the dongle or other (((Intel certified))) devices, otherwise people would figure out how to bypass it in short order. RAID0 is free, it costs $99 for basic 1 or 1+0 RAID and $300 for RAID5/6

>>60741170
and in 2018 AMD comes out with 7nm zen 2, so it will destroy covfefe lake and 10nm mobile cannon lake too

>>60741035
Why do they even bother with the heatspreader?

>>60741130
Because if fucking embarrassing for a multi-billion dollar company with nearly unlimited R and D money and 90+% market share to to be blindsided by a an almost dieing company that just dug up a guy from his grave to design a CPU

>>60741245
To stop the mayonnaise going stale too soon.

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>>60740775

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>>60741298
At least post the superior webm version.

>>60741170
its

>>60741245
It's a safe-guard against shitty coolers (or a dumb user) cracking the CPU die, which is very fragile. In this case delidding itself works as a litmus test of whether or not you can be trusted with an exposed CPU in the first place.
In order for you to cool a CPU die directly sans lid, you need a special bracket that makes it impossible for a cooler to put any pressure on the die itself, and you still need to buy a liquid-metal interface as well. It ends up being rather risky and expensive to save 20ºc, which they believe most people can do without.

>>60741368
>you need a special bracket that makes it impossible for a cooler to put any pressure on the die itself

Laptop coolers have this since ages

>>60741368
A lot of older processors had exposed dies, the headspreader came into focus when AMD and Intel were noticing that a lot of them started getting damaged due to shipping, and yes, also due to dumb idiots failing to mount properly.

>>60741344
I wasn't sure whether 4chan started supporting webms, mp4s etc. It's been a while since I last posted

>>60741245
>>60741368

the old Pentium III days and Socket 462 dies cracked if you put too big a cooler on. later Pentium IIIs started using a heat spreader.

>>60741386
Laptop coolers don't nearly have the mass compared to what someone would put on there desktop CPU

>>60740775
>>60741298
>>60741344
Intel uses TIM for a reason you retards. Solder will eventually expand and crack your rypoo cpoos whereas TIM doesn't.

>>60741477
In other words
>I parrot whatever I hear on the net

>>60741477
Fascinating, where are those cracked sandybridges/nehalems?

>>60741477
There are so many examples of 10 year old soldered CPUs still running fine that you really have to be a complete retard to actually believe this. When the mayo under the hood dries up, temps skyrocket as well.

>>60741502
Well, you retards seemed to be uninformed

>>60741477
Wow my a64 3200+ surely fucking cracked by now. But wait, oh no, it fucking works.

>>60741477
Intel seems to be really in deep shit if they're training them like this.

>>60741530
>I read an article online and I know what I'm talking about gaiz, I swear

>>60741524
Intel's TIM has a very high boiling point and cpus 10 years ago were smaller and were on a larger node

>>60741477
I'll bite.
You fucks didn't complain about soldered CPUs back in the core 2 days up to the sandy bridge era or on any of the HEDT CPUs. According to you they all should be dead because of the solder.
If solder was really that unreliable, explain why Intel still continues to use solder on there Xeons to this day even on the tiny ass LGA 1150 ones

>>60741552
>>60741580
See >>60741577

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>>60741219
>>60740775
Wait, really? they're trying this again?

>>60741601
Yes, goy. Buy Xeons.

>>60741368
Silicon dies is not fragile at all. Especially small ones - ever tried breaking a short twig?

>>60741298
>>60741344
I rmeeber that was from some "Build a PC tutorial" from some retailer.

I'm impressed at how well you've managed to put the Helman's logo on the lil applicator syringe there. Congrats.

>>60741620
*are

>>60741599
show me a cracked 5820k then, or even a 6950X

>>60741224
>10nm Cannon Lake
Only if Intel manages to improve their 1.7% yields by then, lmao.

oh fucking shitwads am I really going to have to jump onto snowy owl

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>>60741651
10nm on desktops by 2018, er, 2019 .. 2020? New architecture? Anyone? Hello?

>>60740141
More bingbus doesn't work? Simply fucking ebin, now Intel and their chosen people need to get back to the drawing boards and deduce how the fuck IF works.

>>60741610
Jeeze. So Intel fucks over everyone by releasing 4-core 5% improvement chips for years and when they're finally required to add more cores they charge a premium and lock away features. It's like they want to alienate their customers.

>>60741599
I'm guessing you didn't read, If it was the case that current Intel CPUs can't be soldered than how come some current Intel CPUs are being soldered?
All Xeons still in production even ones based off LGA 1150 CPUs are being soldered. Again you know the processors are suppose to be rock solid are using this bad and unreliable soldered IHS apparently.
.

>>60741674
You can always buy Threadripper. It's faster, has more I/O and is soldered.

>>60741674
>It's like they want to alienate their customers
They know exactly how gullible their customers are though, so they're gonna sell like hotcakes.

>>60741691
How is being soldered good? You can't delid a soldered cpu for free performance like you can with intel cpus

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>>60741716

>>60741716
cool story bro

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>>60741712
Yeah, because the last time they sold a similar product at 2x the price people were just flocking to it.

http://imgur.com/a/wMm1C

>>60741716
Can't tell if trolling or just retarded.

>>60741716
You don't NEED to delid soldered CPUs - solder is almost as good as direct contact with the die.

>>60741716
soldered cpus don't have to be delided because you already have the best thermal interface material already there, its called metal which is better than any TIM paste

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Now the bigger question is: when will my oc'd 3570k will kick the bucket? Its shitpaste should've dried to sand now, right?

>>60741757
Delid it, dumb kumikoposter.

>>60741778
came here to post this, delid, reapply thermal paste, use it for next 10 years

>>60741739
>userbenchmarks

Even if the chart is true, it just shows you that the 6900k didn't have any anomalies due to the Ryzen launch so I don't know what you're trying to prove here.

>>60741757
No, the TIM is designed to last as long as the cpu. It doesn't dry up because nothing is evaporating

>>60741757
Granted the shit they use as TIM lasts a while but not for ever. it depends on how much air gets to it

>>60741746
>>60741750
Solder's performance degrades over time and will eventually crack your cpu due to the metal expanding. TIM doesn't expand and is able to fill in all the imperfections because it melts a little at high temperature. Every time you use your cpu, the TIM melts a little allowing it to readjust and refill all the imperfections.

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>>60741847
Simply ebin.

>>60741847
PLS BUY INTEL

>>60741072
Is this upgrade your CPU v9.0?

>>60741847
Oh shit guys I guess my i3 2120 should be dead y'all along with nearly all the other Sandy Bridge CPUs. Now that I think about it all the core 2 s are dead because of solder, oh wait no there not there still fucking everywhere and are still working you you still use one.

>>60741923
See >>60741577

>retards crying over having an option to completely delid the CPU and make it as cool as possible
unbelievable.
>normies don't give a fuck about sperm TIM under the IHS, so it's fine
>gentoomen care about cooling, so their best choice is to delid and get better results that soldered IHS
Is this so hard to understand?
Fucking pleb.

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>>60741847
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HOLY SHIT HAHAHAHAHAJAJAJAJAHAHAHAHHAHHHAH THIS GUY PPPPFFFFFFF HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

>>60741477
My Q6600 overclocked, which i overclocked the fuck out it says otherwise.

>>60741847
Where do you retards even come up with this shit? Is there some Intel fanboy forum where you dipshits sit there cooking up this crap?

>>60741960
>physics are for fanboy normie dipshits
back to your designated AyyMD forum, pajeet ghale

>>60741947
All the broadwell-e CPUs should be dead soon because of solder right? There made on the same node as skylake/kabylake, or is your next excuse is that the die is bigger?

>>60741691
Sure I can get threadripper, but it seems Intel is shooting themselves in the foot. They're making it harder for the consumer to get these processors ($$$) and harder for motherboard manufactures to make boards for the platform. Unless they unfuck themselves they stand to lose a large portion of potential customers.
>>60741712
I know there are people with more money than brains in the world, but few people will spend ~$2000 for such a mess of a platform. Even LinusshillTips made a rant about X299

>>60741847
Seething.

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>>60741949
>>60741968
Wild shill appears!
Shill uses bullshit!
It's not very effective.

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>>60741716
>>60741847
surely /g/ isn't retarded enough to take the same b8 multiple times in the same thread

Ability to DELID will become a feature. You heard it here first, bois.

>>60742025
>intel's thermal jizz is making markets for delidding tools
ebin

>>60742025
They'll sell it without any heatspreader. Buy your own lid and thermal paste, goy. Max cost savings!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1rXqD6M614

>>60742039
Don't forget to store your deliding information into the RFID chip

>>60742039
Stop spewing memes you retard. Metal is much cheaper than TIM without even factoring R&D for the TIM.

>>60741847
This is really the only thing intelshills and intelfags have left

desperately trying to deny reality as intel crashes and burns

>>60741994
>>60742007
>>60742025
>>60742038
>>60742039
>>60742081
>>60742084
>>60742094
It seems like none of you actually have any arguments and are just mindlessly posting memes

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>>60741601

Yes.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3199104/storage/intels-core-i9-and-x299-enable-crazy-raid-configurations-for-a-price.html

You get raid 0 for free in NVME drives. And then you buy a USB key to unlock more raid functions.

And just for the final "fuck you" cherry on top, the rumor is it will only work with Intel drives.

>>60742092
>implying Intel R&D'd their TIM and didn't use literal mayonnaise
oy vey

>>60741847
I'm yet to see ANY cracked CPU, let alone one cracked due to the solder. As they become smaller they become more resistant to bending, so logically it's the older CPUs that should have been using TIM.

If de Lidding a CPU was hard, I'd have issues with Intel's TIM.
But it's super easy and has basically no risk anymore

I'm worried that skylakeX isn't fast enough

>>60742133
I've personally never used RAID and probably never will, but locking away features on a product that already costs an arm and a leg is just scummy. I wonder what Intel's engineers think about all this bullshit.

>>60741949
Coming in 2018: Intel sells pre-delidded CPU's to you, at EXTRA.

Now YOU can have a 4-core 4 thread CPU without shitty thermal paste applied between it and the IHS, but only if you pay the low low price of 29.99

Alongside that we offer a CPU overclock dongle, for only $99 per year you yes YOU will be able to overclock your CPU. That's only $5 per month!

This $600 value can be yours for only *$399!

*terms and conditions apply, unlocking your cpu does not guarantee performance increase and voids your warranty

>>60742164
Skylake-X is harder to delid due to all the chips around the die.

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>>60740141

someone explain plz

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@60742129 (You)
>maybe if I reply to everyone I'll get some (You)s
kys my man

>>60742180
>but only if you pay the low low price of 29.99
It's funny because buying all the shit you need to delid will cost more than that

>>60742161
Smaller dies are more resistant, smaller nodes are less resistant

>>60742180
all mobile CPUs are already delidded, retard
Guess why
Protip:
>cooling efficiency

>>60742224

and space saving

>>60742196
Please don't, I got kids to feed

>>60742196
Intel ringbus is crap that scales really poorly.

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WHY IS INTEL BEING FAGGOTS AND DOING THIS SHIT?
WHO IS MAKING THESE DECISIONS?

>>60742179

Raid is tremendously useful if you need speed/stability from your drives.

It's just further evidence that Intel thinks they can skate on name recognition alone. It is going to be ugly when they start losing so much market share as companies get tired of being nickel and dimed.

>>60740141

>intel GOLD GPU
>doesn't contain any GOLD because it has thermal paste as TIM

wew

>>60742211
It's hilarious though.

Intelfags will soon be paying intel money to NOT put useless crap on their CPU.

Intel: I'm gonna fuck up your CPU I'm gonna fuck it up. Pay me money or I'm going to fuck it up you stupid fanboy.
Good goy: Please no Intel! Stop! *sob* fine! FINE I'LL PAY YOU JUST DON'T APPLY THE TOOTHPASTE I'LL PAY

>>60742273
Pins are gold.

Holy shit

>>60742196
Intel will sell gimped High end CPUs for the sake of planned obsolescence and saving $1 per CPU.

>>60742284
Soon: Intel sells molding kits to make your own pins

you've got gold stashed away, right goy?

>>60742284
So that's why Intel chose LGA

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>>60742260

>>60742260
Intel's glorious CEO, of course.

>>60742196
It looks like new Intel 18 core CPU sucks harder than main heroine of some hentai.
Obviously, Intel is just hiding some sikret technology and product at release will have 5GHz on air. (not really)

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>>60742320
a very angry Intel customer

Is it not also very expensive for intel to make the highcore chips, whereas amd can more easily make them?

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>>60742187
>Skylake-X is harder to delid due to all the chips around the die.
There are already tools that solve that problem.

The issue is SkylakeX might not be any faster than the last gen extreme editions

>>60742419
Idiots will still manage to screw it up. You will still see sob stories from dumbasses that managed to destroy their shiny new $1000 CPUs. Never overestimate the intelligence of your average Intel fanboy.

>>60742419
The guy who made the deliding tool admitted that even with his tool it's very risky as the SMD's are very close to the heatspreader edges.
And then there's the issue of warranty.

hol' up, so of the 18 cores only two get boosted? wtf lol

>>60742394
yes, intel's architecture is not modular like amd's

while amd can just glue 2x 8 core chips, intel has to build a single 16 core chip, so they can't get good clockspeeds because it's too much heat on the same place

>>60742450
Not really an argument.
You will see just as many bent AMD CPU pins due to morons.

>>60742129
>he expects proper answers to shitty bait
please put some effort into your bait then maybe youll get something other than memes

>>60742485
Yeah, the 18 core's all core turbo is pretty pitiful.
>>60742488
They can't get good yields, either. Meanwhile, AMD is enjoying 80% yields on their 8 core dies.
>>60742515
You can straighten those out, unless you're a crackhead. Also, TR doesn't use pins.

>>60742569
>TR doesn't use pins.
Didn't know that.
Does that mean AMD finally admitted putting pins on a CPU is retarded?

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>>60742611
It means they admitted putting 4096 pins on a CPU is retarded.

>>60742631
Do I need a surgeon degree to install that CPU?

>>60742661
Hopefully not. It's just really big.

>>60742133
Just Pay™

>>60742611
No, but putting 4094 pins on CPU is.

>>60741298
>PGA

how old is that gif?

>>60741847
lmao, as if intel suddenly cares about your cpu's longevity. you got memed f.am

>>60742611
PGA is nice for consumer stuff like Ryzen, but for HEDT stuff (with 4000+ pins) LGA just makes more sense

>>60742723
>Thinks PGA is obsolete
Corelet detected

>>60740186
>those price/performance ratios

>>60742661
you need a screwdriver tho

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>>60742755

>>60742631
>takes out retaining screw
>drops it onto the pins
>board is now garbage
THANK YOU BASED AYYMD

>>60742795
You're not dropping it, anon. You slide the CPU into frame.

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>>60742795
>not using a magnetic screwdriver
Why don't you just fuck off back to cuckland where you came from?

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>>60742744
I'm not saying it's obsolete, but the mayo meme is for intel cpus and they aint made a pga in some time.

>>60742631
I hope finally AMD drops the pin on CPU design.

>>60742631
>8 DIMMS + 1
What.

>>60742744
>>60742881
Also just realised it's a am3 retention bracket meaning it's bulldozer era. Again, not much sense to be made.

>>60742902
the +1 is for 2xm/2 drives that run of pci-e

>>60742902
that thing is a proprietary connection for a expansion card where you can put nvme ssds

>>60742631
That is one retarded CPU_FAN connector, why so far?

>>60742907
Look pal, it's a FUNY 3d animation some bored student made in-between classes. Just go with it.

>>60742846
the magnetic filed produced by the screwdriver would unmagnetize the die idiot

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>>60742945

>>60741599
>>A64 3200+
>Intel's TIM
You surely are a special kid, huh?

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>>60742943
But it's not accurate reeeeeeeeeeee

>>60742631
that top PCI-e slot looks unusuable. It would make more sense to have a x4 there instead of x16

>>60743051
All 4 are x16 electrical anyway.
Dump your card in whatever slot you want.

>>60743051
depends on the cooler I guess, but yeah that looks like a problem

I got way more clearance than this and my horizontally mounted NH-D15 is flush with my GPU backplate

>>60743080
whoops, I meant x1 not x4. Most people put their GPU in the top slot but that may be impossible with a large aircooler. It would make more sense to have a smaller PCIe device (like a network card) in that top slot

>>60743137
With 64 lanes it doesn't matter where you put it.

>>60743165
but a top slot like that may be physically unusuable

>>60743192
For a triple slot graphics card, maybe, we still don't know.

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>>60743051
It is usable tho, the base plate is wide but the stuff on top of that doesn't have to be wider

>>60743209
What I'm trying to say is a xboxheug aircooler could invade on PCI-e space making the top slot unusuable.
It is interesting that they have 4 x16 slots though. Does crossfire still support 4 way?
>>60743247
neato, but surely companies will release massive aircoolers that almost break the board. I'm probably wrong though.

>>60743314
Xfire still is 4 way, but nobody uses that, I think these will be used with 2-3 GPUs max and rest for capture/SDR/RAID/Riser cards

Since Threadripper has plenty of lanes, Riser cards are the best thing to expand the limited 4 slots

>>60743314
if a DH-15 can cool down a fucking 9590 and not obstruct any pci slots, It can easily cool TR down, of course they'd has to release a version with a larger base plate, but it's doable

>>60742631
What is that dimm.2 ? RAM drive slot?

>>60743451
DIMM M2 I think

>>60743451
Riser card for 2 m.2 drives

>>60742345
>7700k 5.1
>1080Ti x2
>Linux
For what purpose?

>>60743496

4.

4 m.2 cards using 4 pcie lanes on a X16 socket.

>>60743451
a simple way to add more M.2 support by using a rewired DIMM slot. IIRC it adds support for two more m.2 SSDs

>>60743520
He wanted to try to run a GNOME-based DE without slowdown.
It probably didn't work. >>60743533

>>60743562
My bad, ignore last quoting.

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>>60741847
>>60741716

>>60741847
So that's why there was so much failed Sandy Bridge CPUs? Solder killed them? Oh, wait, there was none, they actually runs much longer than ivy/haswell ones.

>>60740141
MOAR BINGBUS :DDD

>>60740141
Must suck to be a mainboard manufacturer trying to besign a board for this mess

>>60743247
>No cooper at all
Worried.png

>>60743520
Machine memeing?

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>>60743451

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>>60740580
>3.5
Lol more like 4.1 on the higher boost

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>>60740141
Is that 6 cores running at 3400 and the other 12 cores running at 1200mhz?

>>60747520
That's not all cores, nobody cares about 2 core boost on 16 core chips.

>>60747558
TR 16 core was demonstrated at computex. Prob running at 3.6 GHz all core. https://youtu.be/NeuamYdfU4w?t=16m

>>60747546
The benchmark was already finished by then, it was running all cores around 3GHz

>>60747588
I know, that's what I actually expected when Ryzen's came out.

>>60745648
Its nickel plated because Copper corrodes like a motherfucker.

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>>60747590
>>60747558
AMD does not do per core speeding like intel's walletrapers do

AMD's XRF is used if the CPU has enough cooling to keep its temps low
XFR on the 14 core is 4.1ghz on all cores

Intel is finished

>>60747635
No, that's stupid.
Just as stupid as claiming 4.5GHz on Intel 18 cores, that's just retarded.

The 16 core TR will top out at 3.6/3.7 on all cores.

>>60747635
XFR isn't all cores.

>>60747652
ASUS teased a 5.05ghz OC on threadripper with their x399 boards

TR will has improved cooling on a more mature 14nm fab also it has a much larger heatspreader with 60% more surface area per die.

Based on the benchs we have seen its at least running 3.7ghz on all 16 cores

>>60747718
NO NO NO NO

You're ignoring physics here, either just plain retarded or shitposting, you're not getting 5GHz on fucking 16 cores without LN2 or VRMs exploding in your face.

>>60747681
XFR is all cores
XFR is just auto clocking if the chip is under a certain thermal limit
Precision boost is the boost feature when running less than two cores

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>>60741716
Holy kek. Either shitposting or genuine meltdown, they're both hilarious.

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>>60747737
Someone at asus knows something we dont

5 ghz is possible on good cooling hell intels chips can hit 5ghz on air cooling

X399 has a much more robust VRM combined with the massive IHS of the chip this could allow great OCing on the TR chips
Maybe the 16 core wont hit that high but the 12 or 14 might

>>60747744
XFR is what Intel calls Turbo Boost 3.0
It's not all cores, because it respects thermal and power limits, and it can't respect the latter if it's all cores.

Threadripper, 3.6-3.7 all core turbo, with possible 2-4 core 4.2GHz XFR, but likely 4.1.
That's it, stop arguing with people versed more in this subject than you.

>>60747777
No, anon no.
Don't be retarded, that's just being retarded, the chip would be pulling well over 400 watts at that stage.

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>>60747797
>implying I dont know about 400w CPUs

With a larger IHS and nearly 3x the surface area we will see amazing results from quality cooling

We know the ryzen silicon can run to nearly 6ghz on LN2 maybe the solution to the limited OC on ryzen is a larger area for cooling if its soldered which I assume it will be the larger area direct benefits cooling ability of the actually dies even if more cores are present

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>>60747841
>1.55V

>>60747841
No.
Because Ryzen is not thermally limited-
No amount of heatspreader will help this.

You don't see Kabylake hitting 6Ghz just because it can do 7.5GHz on LN2

All this time it was about going smaller for better cooling, how will a bigger surface help to cool better?

Also how come a big CPU will be better than a small CPU?

>>60747919
>how will a bigger surface help to cool better?
Should've paid attention in 8th grade science class.
>Also how come a big CPU will be better than a small CPU?
There are two dies under the lid. It's not one really big die under there.

>>60747919
Dissipating 200W from a 1cm^2 die is much harder than dissipating 200W from a 2cm^2 die

CPU/GPUs are rather unique because the heat they give off per mm far surpasses space heaters.

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Based AMD.

Wrecking Intels monopoly since 1969.

>>60747919
small fab process but not necessary smaller dies will yield better thermal results

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>>60741477
Ahhhhh
My 4.8GHz 8300 dual core that's been thrashed nearly 24/7 since late 2011.
Whatever will I do?

That's right, continue shitposting on 4chan from it.

>>60748279
Chips going back 12 years are soldered and haven't cracked yet, they're so full of shit trying to explain cheaping out on half a buck of solder.

>>60740186
>Double ring bus strikes again.

why does this meme keep happening?

This was one of the major problems with cell

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>>60748353
You claim we've gone too far with the ringbus. I posit that we have not yet gone far enough.

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Will it come with a case badge? For $1000 it had better come with a case badge

imagine being the loser who made the FX series only to see someone better make Ryzen.

"sorry dave, we have to let you go"
"but the cores!"

>>60748370
>ringbusbusbusbusbusbusbusbusbusbusbusbusbusbusbusbusbus

>>60748469
>being the loser who made the FX series
Bulldozer was actually computer generated mostly.

Unless you meant the original FX series

>>60748469
The guy behind most of BD died of cancer before launch, he was pretty good and one of the older famous CPU designers, but BD was too ambitious and made during completely fucked management

>>60740141
Windows 8...? really...?

>>60748370
that's a very wide picture

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>>60749087
Did someone say wide?

>>60740566
Will probably be around 3100-3150.
So better than Intel's 18 core unless they housefire it up more.

>>60749176
>introducing Socket LGA 2066v2, supporting 250W!
>haha we won over AMD Intel da be-
>VRMs pop

>>60749206
I mean the VRMs on the Crosshair or Taichi AM4 will take 300+w sustained perfectly fine.

It's just.. that's a fuckload of heat to be coming from your CPU alone.
It might be okay if the performance were justified, but it's not. It'd probably take 250w 18core to simply match the Ryzen 16 core at 180w. AMD's SMT and multithreaded scaling is just so much better. Intel CPUs only make sense for dual and quad cores at the moment.

>>60749251
VRMs could probably handle it, but your cooling would sound like a jet engine, you'd expel so much fucking heat in your room you'd be sweating buckets and why would you fucking buy something more expensive that's much less efficient anyway?

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>>60749163

>>60749274
Muh single coar turbo...

>>60749329
>18 cores
>throw a fit because 1 core runs at 300MHz higher

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if someone used that excuse to not buy something generally faster, cheaper, more efficient, with ECC support and not jewcum as a thermal interface on a platform that will last 4 years.

>>60749329
I know you're joking but
>4.1 GHz vs 4.5 GHz
Totally worth the extra $1000, right?

>>60749329
>>60749370

Did you see when SKL-X specs leaked and retards came out of the woodwork claiming 4.5GHz on all cores? How can one group of people be so retarded and out of touch?

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>>60749163
>>60749325

>>60748353
It also killed the Radeon 2900XT.
2x 512bit Ring buses for 1024bit bus that was latency prone and used close 70% of the card power.

It's like VLIW - it' a thing that looks perfect on paper and everyone thinks THEY are gonna be the one to wrangle and tame it - it NEVER works out but everyone gets suckered in at some point.

>>60749404
Fanboys gonna fanboy. It was mostly idiots that didn't understand how turbobutt worked, though.

>>60749412
Hey, VLIW and Terascale was pretty fucking good for pushing pixels, I actually wanted to see what VLIW4 would look like on 14nm as a pure gaymen arch.

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>>60740141
>literally a 6 core

>>60749435
R700 was the result of 2900xt and HD3000 being failures.

>>60749435
Not specifically ATi/AMD/RTG's VLIW.
Every VLIW is bad in the end.
They rely on compilers that don't and won't ever exist.
Again great idea on paper, but it never works in the real world.

Both AMD and nVidia have been burned by the VLIW bug, AMD got really unlucky and got bit by VLIW and Ring Buses at the same time.

IIRC Intel already knows about the perils of VLIW from i860/i960 but now they're being hit by Ring Bus fever, it'll pass in time.

>>60749435
VLIW is pretty much what gave ATi its driver reputation, it's hard to code for.

Though I really wish AMD thought some more about the GCN subject and made it modular enough to separate compute from pixels

>>60749518
The reputation was so bad even now people think that AMD has no drivers.

>>60749518
It's not hard to code for, that's really easy.
The 'drivers being terrible' was a mix of actually buggy code and a slow compiler that wouldn't and couldn't be made any better.

ALL VLIW archs suffer the same fate in the end, for the same reason - the compilers required simply don't ever materialise.
Every company ever to go with VLIW has thought, well this compiler is a little slow now, but we'll optimise in the future (or even worse, someone else will optimise in the future!) but it never happens.

VLIW is a great idea on paper, but never works well in the real world.

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>>60749404
Of course we saw them.
Retards on /g/ kept spamming them and how AMD was so BTFO.

Fact is, so many cores is going to be under 4GHz all-core. And under 4GHz, AMD's architecture is much more efficient and jsut wins.

Sure you can OC the Intel 8 core to 4.5GHz, but then it's literally fucking 300w+ at those clocks. You could clock threadripper 16 core to 3.7GHz and it'll be significantly lower power draw and heat output.
It's really bonkers how delusional and ignorant people are.

pls gib me more bingbus intel :DDD

>>60749799
ATi called from the grave, said bingbuses scale like shit.

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>>60740141
Well there could be a reason for this. Keep in mind Intel still has LGA 3647 for their HCC Xeons which can have up to six channels of memory. Which they keep it as their main enterprise socket.

Another concerning note of the day is Intel could be working on a socket revision of LGA 2066 to work with the HCC compatibility of their coming 12-18 core desktop chip.

My guess is, why a new socket revision when you already have a high desnsity socket platform comparable to SP3/TR4? It doesn't make sense at all from an engineering perspective. Meaning more cost on Hard Tooling of a new key'd socket and chipset asic revision/stepping to compensate for more I/O.

You gotta wonder what the heck their CEO Kranzich is smoking right now.

>>60750534
He's wishing he had a time machine so he could go back and order that new architecture 4 years ago.

>>60741245

Once upon a time Intel and AMD introduced processor designs known colloquially as "flip-chip," named so because the die had been moved to the top of the chip from underneath where it had previously sat. This allowed better access for cooling solutions, and gave them more space for additional pins for the socket interface. The fragile CPU die was left exposed in flip-chip packages however, and while chips included foam pads at the corners to spread out the weight of a heat sink, oversized coolers or overzealous installation still led to countless cracked dies and people trying to claim warranty.

tl;dr: people too stupid and/or hamfisted to be trusted with exposed dies

>>60747782
Uh, isn't Zen's Turbo Core speed an all-core turbo, with XFR being over and above the Turbo Core clock?

>>60750999
No.
The 1600X and 1800X, for example, at 3.7GHz all-core up from 3.6GHz base. Only 2 cores will go to 4-4.1 and only when the others are parked or something.

I don't know where the fuck people get this idea that the advertised turbo speed on ANY cpu is all-core turbo.

>>60752524
On CPUs with more than 2 cores, that is.
Presumably the 2c/4t APUs will have their advertised turbo on both cores. But maybe not.

>>60741716
Include me in screencap

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>>60740141
EBIN

>>60752539
Intel dual cores don't have an advertised turbo anymore. Base clock is the same thing as the normally advertised two core turbo.

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>>60752894
Absolutely perfect.

>>60752894
delid this

>>60741716
XD

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>>60752946

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>>60752894

>>60741968
I read intels report. They ditch the solder not because of dies potentially breaking. But because the cracked solder was causing unwanted thermals...
All they did in """attempt to resolve the issue""" was try to reduce the golds thickness.

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>>60740141
I'M LITERALLY SHAKING RIGHT NOW

I HATE AMD SO MUCH

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>>60740141
What the fuck did you just fucking say about Intel, you little pajeet? I’ll have you know my comments get the most upvotes on Hadware Nexus, I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on r/AMD, and I have over 300 confirmed shills. I am trained in single corefare and I’m the top delidder in the entire Intelaviv Goyim Forces. You are nothing to me but just another framerate target. I will overclock the fuck out with temperatures the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit about Intel over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the MSN and your data is being collected right now so you better prepare to install Gentoo, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call functionality. You’re fucking bsod, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can compromise your system in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my hardware backdoors. Not only am I extensively trained in anti consumer combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Nvidia® The Way it's Meant to be Played Corps™ and I will use it to its full extent to watch miserable cartoons from another continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, goyim. I will shilltel all over the catalog and you will drown in it. You fucking delid dis, kiddo.

>>60752894
ebbinn kek

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>>60742631
How the fuck are you supposed to mount a heatsink on that thing?
I don't see any holes around the socket.

>>60754774
For bigass server sockets like that the mounting holes are a part of the socket. Look at the bottom corners of the socket and you'll spot 2 of the mounting holes.

>>60749087
Not as wide as your mom.

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>>60754611
>I will overclock the fuck out with temperatures the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words.
Mark my fucking volts*

>>60741010
>"4 FAST CORES IS ALL YOU NEED!"
>"18 SLOW CORES IS ALL YOU NEED!"

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>>60752894

>>60754611
Nice pasta.

>>60742025
Circumcising your CPU is a FEATURE™

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>>60757954
Wouldn't want to be a filthy heathen, now would we, goy?

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>>60741674
You don't get it goy, we're not their market
>Intel is Israeli
>salesmen are jews
>mega Corp procurement manager also a jew
>Intel offering is double the price for 85% performance of AMD's alternative
>he goes with Intel because it's not his money and "we jews need to help each other out"

>>60740891
>solider

Wat?

>toothpaste

Wat?

The reason intel's shitty CPUs are having issues is not because the TIM is shit it's because intel hired a moron to design the lid.

They don't take into account the gap introduced by the glue which attaches the lid to the CPU, this gap is the cause of the issues. When removed, (and when the TIM is replaced), the CPU doesn't have thermal problems anymore.

If you re-introduce the tiny gap, you will get the same shit results even with high quality thermal paste.

Thermal paste can't melt steel beams, or in this case, can't bridge a fucking river worth of space between the CPU and the lid.

Intel are retards, but not because of shit TIM, because they hired pajeet to design lid.

>>60760538
>sticky paste
>hot, thick glue
Is this going somewhere I don't really want it to?

>>60760538
Broadwell-E, Haswell-E and Sandybridge don't have these issues.

Because they have solder.

>>60760839

Yes, solder solves the potential issues introduced when the guy designing the lid has a stroke, but there's nothing inherently wrong with using TIM between the lid and the CPU.

Obviously solder is going to be that slight bit better (and maybe even last longer).

And I imagine intel's profit margins are bigger than OP's mom, so there's no reason for them to cut corners here.

But if they did it correctly, you wouldn't be complaining about the TIM. The problem here is not the TIM, it's the gap that they're trying to fill with the TIM.

>>60761014
Actually a common problem is the lids not being on flush. Causing a corner core to run 10c+, or even the whole side.

>>60740186
Let me guess, like most tests they did not test the Intel with quadchannel memory.
I saw one that actually did tests with quadchannel and suddenly the Intel wins, depending on the software by 10-30%

>>60764061
Are you fucking retarded?
>>60761014
>there's nothing inherently wrong with using TIM between the lid and the CPU.
Go fuck yourself nigger.

>>60764061
It's hilarious how you think memory bandwidth has any notable effect on cinnebench scores, guess that 6 channel Xeon looks even worse then.

>>60764208
Sure is cherry picking ignoring the "depending on on the software" part.

>>60764320
Are you retarded? Was the Xeon tested in anything else?

>>60764362
It is like you are not capable of reading two lines of test.

>>60764412

Where do you think you are? Do you think you're on youtube where you can sound smart by telling us hours later that quad channel memory helps in memory bound situations? Are you brain damaged? Nobody cares about memory bandwidth in the context of this thread, which was pure compute performance.