Where did AMD get the technology to finally BTFO Intel?

>>60737864
From the juice

>>60737864
they actually R&D'ed. Unlike intel which still uses Pentium 3s.

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Jim Keller happened to be visiting our region of the universe and had no plans that afternoon .

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>>60737864

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didn't happen

Give it 3 quarters and Intel will sink AMD again

>>60737864
ayylmaos

>>60737864
When a company's back is against the wall, there are generally only two outcomes:
1. Bankruptcy/liquidation
2. Get your shit together, restructure, and offer a highly focused and competitive product.

AMD got out because they trimmed off all their fat and focused on a core product that they could scale to any market segment.

>>60738085
>JUST WAIT

>>60737864
AMD has a wealth of IP from everything they've developed over the past decade, and they have plenty of theory to build off of outside of whats already been implemented in various form. You can see the DNA of AMD's prior designs in Zen. All their power saving IP, all their fabric, having a design team that knows exactly what it takes to create a high throughput engine, and giving them the resources to execute it instead of patching a broken design.

>>60738113
The problem is usually centralizing all that technology instead of having it being dispersed over SoCs, APUs, CPUs, and other products. Ultimately, it took them over 5 years and dumping all hey had down the drain, holding by with refresh products to get to this point. Not the best business strategy but they had no other choice.

>>60738113
Intel also has those things AMD has and already owns the low voltage market and the High end server market and the cherry on top is unlimited money

>>60738055
/thread

Thank you based shit wrecker.

Uh, they designed and built it?

>>60738145
Intel also has something which AMD had: Complacent management riding out past successes with no real goals for the future.
Intel came up with a solid basis for a core architecture, and they incrementally evolved it into Kaby Lake today.
Having money doesn't matter if its not well used.

>>60738167
>AMD puts all its energy and resources into a CPU that barely competes with Intel's microscopic increments

Just wait and see. Intel will really beat the shit out AMD again and AMD will have run out of ideas

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>>60738184
>Just wait

>>60738184
No, not with current cuckold CEO.

>>60738184
>intel's 10nm process in shambles
>cannonlake xeons removed from roadmap
>new platform is a train wreck about to happen
>7nm facility still under construction
>realistically won't be online and in volume production until 2020 or later
>after Kaby comes Icy and Tiger Lake
>still more refreshes and incremental nothing upgrades
>years to come of absolutely nothing new
>"Just wait"

Okay.

>>60737864
Jim Keller, Shit Wrecker

Lisa Su, Poo in Loo

>>60737864
They hired The Certified Shit Wrecker, that's what happened.

>>60738234
>>60738242
But he's already left didn't he

>>60737864
They hired Papa Keller, Clark pulled out his head from his ass, and they had enough time to design extremely efficient core and fabric which scales like crazy.

JIY

I wonder how much improvements will be in Zen+. I'm guessing higher IPC/clocks and possibly lower TDP.

Intel is falling behind. Each update for motherboards, OS, games and whatever other drivers puts the Ryzens on par of ahead for much less. Plus way more threads.

>>60738258
He left back in 2015, when they finalised Zen and K12.

>>60738258
Yes, for a while. He was the head of the whole division for arch development. He oversaw the teams who developed high level arch for K12 and Zen both. When he left work on Zen+ was already under way.

>>60738270
>>60738259
>>60738234
>The only competent engineer has left.

Can you try to guess which company is in trouble

But where's K12? I wonder what AMD can do with custom ARM cores.

>>60738277
Zen was designed by Mike Clark, you mouthbreathing retard.

>>60738280
shelved indefinitely

>>60738184
Intel doesn't have a new architecture until 2021.
Their 10nm process also performs worse than their current 14nm process.

>>60738280
K12 is likely shelved due to lack of demand, or too much competition in an uncertain market. ARM, POWER, SPARC64, MIPS, and everything else only take up 20% of the enterprise/HPC market. X86 is 80% of sales and support anually for the whole industry. Expending a ton of resources and taking a gamble on a potential loss over such small potential gains isn't a wise decision. A lot of companies thought ARM in the datacenter would pan out, but it hasn't really. ARM is developing high SIMD throughput core designs to try and directly tackle Xeon+Phi setups, but I have a feeling that K12 might have been aimed here as well. AMD would be just another vendor offering a comparable part if this were the case.

The other possibility, which is likely part of the case no matter what, is that the Zen core scales so well in low TDP envelopes that a comparable ARM based part has no real appeal over X86 Zen. The Raven Ridge APUs scale down to 4w. Trying to compete with that is no small task.

>>60738310
I'm pretty sure that idiot ceo still wants to use Pentium 3s.

>>60738326
What the fuck are you talking about

>>60738326
No, JUSTnich (since Freiser unJUSTed himself, Krzanich is now the official JUST guy) ordered a BRAND NEW uarch. And they already announced it'll break bc.

>>60737864
We have to yet see how Ryzen does well in the actaul market. It doesn't matter if their new architecture is better if it doesn't sell well on the market. Remember Intel has dominance in the mobile over AMD.

>>60738327
core architecture is based on Pentium 3s. they are still using 17 year old arch.
>>60738338
how did that happen? a threadripper hit him in the head?

>>60738026
Nice.

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>>60738351
>he doesn't know about RR

>>60738357
You got proof on this buddy?

>>60738351
>Remember Intel has dominance in the mobile over AMD
ryzen mobile is too strong. if apple uses it, intel is finished.

>>60738380
>I am to retarded to trace the origins of Core uarch
Okay.

Rysen APU with Vega GPU when

>>60738395
Q3 2017 in some laptops/2-in-memes probably.

>>60738310
http://wccftech.com/intel-developing-new-x86-uarch-succeed-core-generation/

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>>60738351

Have you fucking seen the power effeciency of zen? The current desktop chips are massively over-volted to reach the clocks they do and they still murder Intel's offerings. Once you start scaling zen back (ala pic related) its power effeciency is amazing.

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>>60737864
JIM KELLER
>swap 2nd letters of his name
JEM KILLER
>flip the M
JEW KILLER

It's as simple as that.

>>60738456

Oh wow that stupid edit I made of keller's face on duke now turns up as a top hit? Nice.

>>60738376
>>he doesn't know about RR
RR isn't on the market and won't be for quite some time.

Try buying a laptop, any laptop, and see what's available: Intel CPU + NVidia GPU across the board. That's it. My laptop has a shitty 1080p TN panel so I'd like to buy a new one but as a GNU/Linux user a NVidia GPU means I'm limited to the specific distributions and Xorg versions they support with their binary blob driver - which is why I probably won't buying a new laptop for quite a while.

Face it, there are no RR products and we won't realistically see any before Q1 2018. Yes, Intel does own the mobile space, AMD isn't even in that market right now.

>>60738473
>there are no RR products on the market
Of fucking course, it's not even out yet you moron. RR is Q3 2017 for SP5 BGA.

Do you think Intel and Nvidia will still be in business after AMD unveils the unified-core APU?

>>60738490
What do you mean by
>unified core APU
?

>>60738490

Intel won't be but the market for dedicated gpus is growing and growing fast.

>>60738505
You mean shrinking? dGPU market is dying.

It's so fucking hilarious to see NVIDIA's desperate attemps to leave extremely volatile gaymen dGPU market.

>>60737864
>it's another AMD shill pretends AMD is actually good thread

>>60738497

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterogeneous_System_Architecture

>>60737864
>Just you wait for AMD!
>Just you wait for the next Intel!
I'm not due to switch from my skylake in 2-3 years.

>>60738576
That's HSA and it's mostly for meme learning and datacenters.

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>>60738055
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idRLZTy9Pio

>>60738085
they'll ressurect pentium 4 just like they did pentium 3.

>>60738085
Are they going to give massive rebates to OEMs that promise to not stock AMD products again? It worked for them last time and only cost them a 1.2 billion settlement for years of market dominance.

>>60738640
NO. THE EVIL SHOULD NOT RETURN.
>>60738650
Not gonna work.

>>60738085
>3 quarters
>while the only chance intel has now is their new architecture which will be released in 2021

>>60738277
you don't need a shit wrecker to tweak shit.
amd will let the pajeet tweak this shit over 10 years and milk it.
shit wrecker will return again then.

>>60738456
does he know what we call him?

>>60738702
>Pajeet
Mike Clark sounds pretty fucking american for me.

>>60738650
still haven't paid.

>>60738718
>amd r&d is just one person.

>>60738756
Clark is Zen's lead architect.

>>60737864
They literally stole the technology from Intel for sure

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>>60738929

>>60738929
then why intel was rehashing the pentium 3 if they had this?

fucking idiot

>>60738226
Funny that it was supposed to go:
Haswell (22) > Broadwell (14) > sky (14) > cannon (10) > sky (10) > tiger(7)

But instead, here we are

>>60738511

Consumer space =/= all places gpus are used.

>>60739313
Consumer space gives novideo 80% of its revenue, GPGPU is forever irrelevant for 90% of datacenter space and prosumer market is small.

>>60737864
IBM

The same company that was ditched by Apple and replaced by intel.

>>60739419
>IBM
Zen is nothing like POWER.

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>>60739435
Actually, POWER9 is the closest thing to Zen that exists.

>>60739447
>even IBM diched le ebin single gigantic pool of L3 design
Simply ebin. I mean core-wise though.

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>>60737985
Pentium Pro's,

Pentium 3 was a modernisation of the Pentium pro

AMD "Fast Sync" (Direct X) where?

aliums

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They clearly got it from newly discovered Nazi research.

Don't be an anti-Semite /g/, buy Intel.

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>>60739710

>>60739789
Supports or requires?

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>>60739885

>>60739885
it's not required if you're fine with load temps in the upper 80's lower 90's

>>60738055
CERTIFIED

honestly, I think the Russians are helping them because they want to undo intel's ME espionage.

>>60739956
I don't think you can call 80-90 optimal thermal performance.
So it's basically requires it.

>>60739972
SHIT

>>60740123
WRECKER

>>60738085
lol. Their new arch isn't out until 2020/2021. And it's just x86 with parts chopped off. Their current arch can't go anywhere, it's been milked to death. Intel has nowhere to go.

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>>60738650
The FTC is watching them. I doubt they'd get away with it for long.

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>>60738055
Thank you based wrecker of shit

>>60738455
So is apple going to start using them?

>>60740389

It is a possibility but as with anything Apple it is convulted as Apple write their OS to the hardware so who knows what sort of changes they would have to make should then jump aboard the AMD train.

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Intel is beyond hopeless now.

>>60738455
2400Mhz seems like a good spot for mobile chips

>>60737864
>AMD BTFO someone
lol keep dreaming, redteam+

>>60740505

Don't forget that chart is covering 16 threads. A clockspeed bump to just under 3ghz on 6c/12t sounds doable for a high performance mobile part and would invalidate all Intel cpus in that performance tier (as naturally anything of this tier will have a dedicated gpu). It is why everyone is really interested in raven ridge.

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>>60740527
Go away, Brian.

>>60738184
>Just wait and see. Intel will really beat the shit out AMD again and AMD will have run out of ideas

Oh my fucking GOD. Did we just witness that intel has become the WAIT brand?

>>60740535
A 6c/12t laptop at about 2.6Ghz (turbo to about 3.2Ghz on single core workloads) or so sounds fantastic and should be doable

>>60741280

What makes zen particularly interesting for mobile deployments is 1) how fast it clocks up and down and 2) the fact it adjusts clockspeed in 25mhz increments which means it can hop up and down in little steps to maintain TDP instead of suddenly dropping clocks 100mhz when it gets a little hot.

>>60739789
>unlocked xeons

>>60738456
/our Furher

>>60737864
JEW KILLER

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>>60739789
>6core/12thread
>140W

>>60738650
They still haven't payed that $1.2B they owe either. Fucking jews.

>>60738104
where have I heard that before?

>>60738605

>gamer

>>60738055
>SAY THE NAME

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>>60747916
CERTIFIED SHITWRECKER.

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>intels shills face when intel reintroduces the netburst architecture

>>60748429
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>>60748531
Tejas and Jayhawk were too early. Now is it's time to shine. GO FORTH AND BURNINATE THE COUNTRYSIDE!

>>60737864
I have a question though, when working in R&D for cpu's like zen, what do you need to major in university, and do you need a phd for that type of job?

>>60738055
Bless

>>60748737
I would assume electrical engineering, circuit design, etc.

>>60748737
EE, microelectronics, integrated circuits, math and physics, nanotechnology(more for the fab guys), computational science, electronics, maybe some optics but I'm not sure on this one.

>>60748762
>>60748813

On top of what was mentioned (yes, you need optics because lithography and optical computing), you need analog and digital electronic courses.

Sadly, since shrinking transistors is almost at an end and there aren't enough design jobs for electronics, it's not a great career path to follow.

>>60748813
That's like half the fucking STEM field

No wonder there's so little of these guys out there.

>>60748813
Can't that be condensed to double majoring in EE and CE?

>>60748890
Yep.
It's at least slightly easier now days where they can simulate CPU architectures with CAD.

A big part of why Bulldozer sucks was that their theories didn't work once it was taped out. There were big improvements with Piledriver, but still not enough.

>>60749031
No, you need to master all these fields, not touch upon them.

>>60738055
JUST WRECK MY INTELSHIT UP

>Jim Keller
>Jem Killer
>Jew Killer

>>60749766
damn

>>60749766
It's a sign.

>>60748566
>50+ stages
>targeting 5+ and hopefully 7ghz

>>60738143
That strategy gave them the knowledge of powersave ings, can't say it was all lost.

>>60738277
You may not believe this, but amd has some of the best engineers on the planet working for them, look at bulldozer and look at its most recent implementations, they took a turd and made it fucking good, granted intel shit all over it, but that's beside the point.

>>60750377
Main team behind Bulldozer was fired and the competent ones who left developed cat cores used in consoles. But yeah, AMD's R&D is superb considering they have peanuts for it.

>>60738616
I really wonder how it's going with the K12. Haven't heard any news of it out of AMD in quite some time, though the last news was that it was scheduled for some time this year.

>>60738055

This man is simply a wizard.

>>60750488
Considering how well Zen does at lower clocks, it's probably shelves since AMD has no intentions on breaking into Qualcomm market.

>>60750488
arm servers didnt succeed very much. AMD made some arm cpus, so that if the markets stirs that way, they would have a backup plan.
x86 still reigns supreme, no reason to invest in arm.

>>60738357
>core architecture is based on Pentium 3s. they are still using 17 year old arch.
With the things they've changed since then, that's a pretty retarded thing to say, though. Just because every step has been incremental doesn't mean the current architecture is anything like its origins. Also the origins are the PPro, not that P3.

>Where did AMD get the technology to finally BTFO Intel?

Intel sat on their hands for 8 fucking years.

>>60738085
>3 quarters
>their 10nm process still has 1.7% yields
>new architecture is nowhere near to being ready
>AMD is ready to hit them with Zen2 and planning their next attack
Sure thing.

>>60740227
>dat pic
lol

So if I'm building a new PC I should get the 1700 instead of the 7700k I was originally going to get?

Primarily for gaming..

>>60737864
Wrong timeline OP.

In this timeline AMD is still a shit.

>>60750500
Who?

>>60754403
No it isnt you fag

Something to do with Moore's law slowing down enough for them to catch up and Intel being actually retarded.

>>60754403
not really

>>60754437
your're mum xd

>>60755030
Yes. AMD is shit.
>>60755067
Yes actually.

>>60755201
nah

>>60755201
Only good intel cpu is the poorfag pentium

Thread is DESIgnated.

>>60755239
7700k, and E3 skylakes are neat. Devil's Canyon are still pretty nice, and overclocked Sandy Bridges are still competitive.

>>60755285
I'd never buy a quad core in 2017

>>60755300
I'd never buy a new CPU that doesn't perform any better than my old ones.

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>>60737864

National Socialist spies from the past.

>>60737864
Not on the benchmarks

>>60738055
jim keller he has nothing to do with zen uarch..

he got to amd to help them create the vega and the mobile zen/apu's and k12 that is what he did on amd..

meaning that we have yet yo see his creations going full anal dry on intel

>>60755415
Keller has nothing to do with Vega and RTG in general, anon.

>>60755439
i think you need to watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOTFE7sJY-Q
he didnt specify vega but he basicly gave it out

>>60755459
Again, he has nothing to do with graphics IP. Even in A4/A5 design team graphics were managed by Pajeet.

>>60755474
again watch the interview

>>60755480
A-fucking-gain, he has nothing to do with Vega/RTG in general.

>>60755486
a fucking re again
watch the damn interview

>>60755497
I can't do it right fucking now so specify what does Keller have to do with Vega?

>>60738258
Yeah he wrecked shit then moved on to Tesla to make the microarchitecture for self-drive vehicles. When he finishes that who knows what shit he's going to wreck next?

its funny tho he goes to amd wrecks three time intel
now he goes to tesla and is about to wreck nvidia housefires
gotta love that man he is actually paid to do the job of amd shills but on a practical way

>>60748531
>Hundred stage pipeline
>That could easily do 10Ghz... What do you need 7Ghz for goy? Nobody said anything about 5Ghz... 4Ghz is enough for most users

>>60752084
>Intel sat on their hands for 8 fucking years.
This is what people believe, but Intel didn't sat and did nothing
They spent billions trying to break into mobile, some of that gave us iGPs that weren't rehased 1997 i740s, most of it gave us failed Atom SoC's and fabs with months of delays
They tried really hard to compete with ARM, to the point of cutting down validation teams trying to catch up with chinkshit release cycles and ending up in massive fuckups like self-bricking embedded SoC's

>>60755339
Maybe in dwarf fortress.

>>60756051
Yeah, they made a bunch of failed attempts. Their biggest mistake was ignoring their aging architecture and not releasing a new one. If they released a brand new arch last year, AMD wouldn't stand much of a chance.

>>60756772
>if Intel could predict what a near bankrupt company would come up in 5 years AMD would not have a chance

Lemme pull out that crystal ball.

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>>60754403
>>60755201
>>60755339
>>60755361
Really pathetic attempt at damage control, guys.
>>60756788
As the great Linus said in that stupid video that's been floating around, "Make the best product you can for the lowest price you can, and you won't get blindsided when your competitor releases something better for half the price".

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>>60755514
>Watch the interview
>but you're wrong
>Watch the interview, he says it himself
>But I just know you're wrong
>Watch the interview you retard
>I don't have time to watch it. What does he say?

Someone went full retard

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>>60737864

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>>60757286
They built a time machine and went into the future and stole it from aliens who are descended from Intel engineers.

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>>60755514
I'm not the other guy, but Vega, Ryzen, and AMD's ARM chipsets all shared dev software, so progress on one meant general progress. Also, when it comes to computer hardware design, elements and concepts from one family of chips can be generalized and applied to others. That seems to be what AMD did more of this generation. It's really a more effective and efficient way of using your engineers.

Oh, also, you're wrong. Just watch the fucking interview, you dunce.

>>60757303
Shit. AMD has created an alternative time-line without intel

>>60756808
Hardware configuration, and software settings are never available in winning ryzen benchmarks.

>>60757499
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NCHhn0xEmo

Knock yourself out. Ask the guy yourself if you really want.

Forgot to sage shit thread.

>>60738055
bless u my man

>>60757514
>Knock yourself out. Ask the guy yourself if you really want.

Hey faggot. What was the he config, and SW settings used when conducting benchmarks?

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>>60757543
i7-7700K underclocked to 2.2 GHz
1800X overclocked to 5.1 GHz on LN2