/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Should I load uefi defaults after performing BIOS update?

Sis wants me to build her a PC for Revit 2017. Cheapest possible build?

>>60737560
yes, save your current set to a profile and reset bios before updating.
>>60737612
xeon 1230+(v2) on a h61 with at least 8gb ram and a ssd. not getting a decent 8 thread cheaper.

>>60737560
do it before.

I'm stuck choosing a B350 board.
- AsRock Pro4
- Gigabyte Gaming 3
- MSI Tomahawk
- Asus Prime PLUS

Which one should I pick?
- I don't care about aesthics at all, I don't need RGB or any special RGB shit,
- I need good VRM, I'd like to OC Ryzen 1600 to at least 3.8GHz,
- Good memory support, I don't want to be stuck with 2133 RAM

I heard MSI has long boot issues, Pro4 has no 3.1 ports but that's not a problem, Gigabyte seems like a good pick but it's Gigabyte so I dunno.

Anyone has one of these and wants to share his experience?

>>60737612
R5 1600, or 1600X if you liek your sister ;^)
8gb of RAM.
1tb HDD. Or a hybrid HDD to make things more responsive. It's a small SSD in a HDD that saves common files to it.
A 128GB SSD if you want to save the OS and programs to that. It's the biggest performance gain you can to to ant PC.
And any GPU you want to throw on it.
GTX 1030 is pretty much cheaper than any plain display cards I've seen. That or a secondhand card.

>>60737649
>Xeon
Why?

Ryzen 3 when?

>>60737676
Prime is shit
Gigabyte Gaming has the best onboard audio

I think only a few of those have VRM heatsinks.

>>60737708
Q3

>>60737720
Q3 when?

Is Ryzen 5 garbage compared to i5 CPU?

>>60737826
it's time to stop posting

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>>60737826

>>60737826
Ryzen gets lower average fps in cpu dependant games, but higher compute performance in multithreaded tasks.

Even though certain i5 and i7 cpus dont have vpro (eg the 7700k) do they still have the management engine? is it literally every cpu? even the pentiums and atoms?

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>>60737826
>>60737890

>>60737653
>>60737649
Well, I wrote that post after I updated BIOS. However I haven't changed anything in it since I installed it yesterday so I guess it should be fine. I just loaded uefi defaults just to be sure and everything works so I guess I'm fine.

>>60737033
The 3570k will bottleneck the 980Ti in many games from the past few years.
Might be okay for 1440p, especially if you overclock the CPU. But at 1080p it's going to bottleneck and CPU bottleneck sucks ass.

>>60737945
>PClab.pl
okay mister IMAGE_XX

>>60737720
Why is Asus shit? I just read a review and apparently it has the best UEFI, nice oc capabilites and it's cheap.

>>60737890
>Ryzen gets lower average fps in cpu dependant games
It's the other way around. Whenever the game isn't CPU heavy, the faster cores (because not split between two CCX) of the i5 will make it pull ahead, but the moment the game is too heavy on the CPU the additional 4 threads of the R5 1500x allow it not to get FPS dips when the i5 does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE

>>60737972
Not if it's overclocked to 4.5ghz

gaming and oc

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/JPVgcc

>>60738010
>especially if you overclock
yes I said that.

>>60737972
Absolutely not. Only recently have games become more reliant on CPU performance. Plus there is an ez way to check if CPU bottleneck is present.

>>60737972
yeah i'm totally shilling, it's not like every review has the same results that r5 outperforms locked i5 but loses few % on average to overclocked 7600k/7700k.

>>60737612
Something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FVcjkT

What drivers should I install? So far I've installed only those in red rectangle. Do I need to install anything else? What exactly is VGA driver and SATA floppy image? I'm not interested in those apps, just drivers.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g7XWTH

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>>60738058
forgot pic

>>60738017
>https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/JPVgcc
shit monitor, it was good maybe 3 years ago. literally any 1080p 144hz is better

>>60737695
>Xeon
>Why?
you can fin them for $100 or less and they are essentially a locked sandy/ivy i7 with more cache and unless it's a 1270, slightly lower clocks. Revit is autodesk architecture modeling .he asked for cheapest possible setup to do that, an 1155 xeon is what I rec'd

>>60738058
yeah you don't need the rest.

>>60738073
Fair enough. But you're probably going to have to spoon feed where to get them and what board ect.
As I did >>60738056
I'll even have a hunt. I need to learn Xeons. It's too easy just spurting out 1600's. They do everything too well.

Why aren't 1070s considered valid options for 1440p?

>>60738155
They are though
no idea why it got removed in the OP

>>60738155
Cards are still weaker than you'd think. 1070 does 1440 60fps/1080p 144hz fine for the moment.
But don't expect that to last with graphical improvements in future.
Imagine what GTA6 would do to it.
You either want a 1080/Ti Or wait or Vega/Volta.

>>60738210
I have no idea either. Unless to add that bit about the 570's being sold out.

>>60738155
Because it's 50% more money for 20-26% better performance on average.
If you're already considering $350 for a 1070, you should spend the $400-$460 on a GTX 180 instead as the price/performance is much better.

>>60738224
>Unless to add that bit about the 570's being sold out.
There was enough room left for quite a lot of text, he probably just removed it because he considered it worthless

So I have a MicroATX case I'm looking to build a 500-800€ mid-range gaming PC with.

Is there anything I need to look out for in MicroATX mainboards, and what parts would you recommend for a MicroATX build, in that budget?

I would prefer to go with an Intel CPU and NVIDIA GPU.

>>60738248
>i would prefer X brand
i'm fairly sure even /r/intel and /r/nvidia would call you out on this

>>60738240
I'm current OP, coped from the last thread. If I am around I'll add it back.
Because it still has its place. But what should the line read?
I agree with >>60738229

Gave my GF my old FX-8150 desktop to play some games on and it's been progressively crapping out more often since November. After months of troubleshooting I swapped everything out except the cpu/mobo and reinstalled windows and still happening. Finally decided to scrounge up some money and just buy her new shit.

Only new parts bought in this build are the mobo, cpu, ram, and case since she kept complaining about how big and ugly my old giant full atx case was.

Wanted to get a g4560, but those are out of stock or stupidly being price gouged on, so I settled on the G4600 from Jet. Manually adjusted price for after my coupon. Shitty cheap mobo from Newegg that that was $25 after rebate. Bios might not be compatible, but I'll borrow a skylake cpu from a computer at work to do the bios update if need be. And shitty 2133 stick of ram since that's all the mobo supports anyway, that comes with a $5 giftcard.

All the other parts are from the old computer with prices adjusted to approx what I paid at the time. New parts cost approx $196 if I don't get lazy about the rebates. Hopefully now she'll shutup and play her shitty Dragon Age Inquisition without complaining about it crashing in a battle or commenting on how ugly my old case was.

Any recs on getting a Win10 key?

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>>60738278
Forgot pic somehow

>>60738278
Kinguin for Win10 keys.

What would be a good alternative to 1500/1600/1600x?

>>60738263
If there are better options from other brands available for budgetary reasons, I would gladly accept the suggestions. It's just that I have experience with AMD systems, and I prefer the utility of NVIDIA's control panel and Intel's single-core performance.

>>60738302
Alternative for a 1500 would be any i5, really
No alternatives to the 1600 in the same price range though.

>>60738305
>Intel's single-core performance.
i highly doubt you do

>>60738352
Thanks, i'm considering having at least another choice should any of them are unavailable or takes an unreasonable amount of time to ship.

Looking for some last minute input here

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gKRHtJ

Ryzen cpu is currently rather cheap here which is why I'm thinking about getting the other parts too at once. Are there any last minute changes you guys would recommend?

>budget 700 euros
>gaming of internet titles
>dual booting windows / linux
>programming

Are there any upcoming sales I should be aware of?

>>60738378
400w is pretty low, it will fit the GTX 1050ti but put a new GPU in there and you'll be forced to get a new PSU
Aim for 500w at least
the rest is good

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I got handed down a computer my sister used to have, it's pretty OK besides that she used to pirate with it a lot and it's full of virusses.
(I will just format HDDs in the Windows install tho. that should fix it, right?)

Anyway, the reason she got herself an all new PC is because somehow, she managed to kill the Motherboard.

I did a little research on internet to find which motherboard would be best to use with the other parts and I'm still not quite sure.

What would you guys recommend?
CPU: FX8320 (non-OC)
RAM: 8GB (1600mhz, 2x4 GHz)
HDD: (2x 1TB drives, might replace with SSD though when I can't get the virusses off)
GPU: GTX660 (non-OC)
OS: Windows 10 Home (64Bit)

Hope that I can get some answers, would be much appreciated.

>>60738401
thought about this one

https://geizhals.de/be-quiet-pure-power-10-cm-500w-atx-2-4-bn277-a1564594.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

500w with semi modular design

>>60738273
It should probably say it's worth getting a cheap one on sale. Like ~$300.
Any more than that and it just makes more sense to spend a little extra for a GTX 1080 when you're already spending that much.
And it's not really worth getting Gsync for. But it can keep above 75fps on a 1440p 75hz non-sync monitor.

That's the problem with the 1070. There's so many qualifiers. So many ifs and maybes.
You can get a GTX 1060 6GB for $215-$230 pretty much all the time and the 1070 on average isn't a whole lot better yet usually costs over 50% more.

The 1080, on the other hand, is a much bigger performance bump over the 1070 than the 1070 is over the 1060. Its price/performance is better. So I have a very hard time recommending the 1070.
Ultimately, I think people severely underrate how good the performance of the 1060 6GB and RX580 are. And severely overvalue playing on max settings when they often look no different than "very high" yet run much worse in many games.

>>60738414
>(I will just format HDDs in the Windows install tho. that should fix it, right?)
Yes.
>HDD: (2x 1TB drives, might replace with SSD though when I can't get the virusses off)
Won't need to replace them. But grab a SSD is you like. It'll fell like a whole new computer if you load the OS and games onto it.
>>60738414
>motherboard would be best to use with the other parts and I'm still not quite sure.
I'm using a MSI 970 ATX mobo for my FX8350
Was cheapest preforming/good looking mobo. One issue it that it leaks a oily residue from the VRM heatsink. But it's no real problem. You'd have less leaking as it's a lower powered chip.
The leaking is from the thermal pads they've used. More heat, more leak. (no issue with them drying up)

Really you can go for any 990 AM3+ chipset. 970 iirc seems to be a bit hit and miss with the power phases. Being more so for the FX 6XXX chips, than 8XXX.

>>60738414
firstly pirating doesn't mean your pc is going to get viruses. your sister is just a stupid cunt.
you could just use some advanced bootable virus removal tools, but seeing how you're technologically illiterate, formatting them will do the trick.
you will need an AM3+ motherboard. if you don't want to oc (protip: you should) then just pick cheapest used am3+ mobo with features you need. don't buy new.

>>60738378
if you haven't bought parts you should go for dual channel (2x4gb) memory. it's also worth going with at least 3000mhz since ryzen benefits heavily from it.

Give me the rundown on Threadripper. I've barely paid attention to the Zen launch. Is it on the same socket as R3/R5/R7? Does it just have more cores or are there other differences?

>>60738507
Thanks a lot for your detailed and helpful reply.

I heard a lot of positive things about SSDs, I'm a little short on cash this month but I might be able to buy one then next month.

Very well, I will take a look around at my local computer store then and look for the MSI 970 ATX, if I can't find that I will check out the 990 AM3+ boards.

Thanks!

>>60738539
I will pick up the cheapest AM3+ motherboad then, thanks for the answer.

>>60738507
I checked out their website real quick, they have ASRock, Asus and Gigabyte.
Any you'd recommend?

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>>60738579
>Is it on the same socket as R3/R5/R7?
Nope. See pic
It's basically two R7 1800X chips. But they're spaced apart on the PCB. I suspect they'll clock highly because of that.
If they were touching silicon it would have terrible thermals.
Yes 16 cores.

>>60738619
Literally anything you like/afford. It's a very mature socket.
Only thing that will fuck you up is if it's only got one sata port. For your HDD's.

>>60738633
God that is one motherfucker of a CPU. All the heatsink companies will need to make new revisions of their heatsinks with wider contact surfaces.

>>60738663
Thanks a lot, the ASRock 970 Pro3 R2.0 is the cheapest available.
I will check out how many sata ports it has though, thanks.

>>60738678
Noctua has a prototype done already. But will probably cost more than the chip.
I'm looking forward to the watercoolers for it. I have need for a large one for other applications. Being peltier plate cooling for an overclocking rig I'm dreaming up.

>>60738693
Oops; Forgot to mention. You need a board that has a VRM heatsink. You'll throttle on that board.**
That's what the problem with the 970 chipset.
VRM's are the bit between socket and the rear usb ports.

>>60738693
You want something like
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131873&cm_re=am3%2b-_-13-131-873-_-Product

...

>>60738248
Ok, I've come up with this build for myself: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/wdxPWX

Is this good, am I doing something wrong?

>>60738824
change the 6600K for an AMD Ryzen 5 1600, and the motherboard for an AMD B350 chipset motherboard. I personally recommend the Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming 3. I believe there's a mATX version that'll fit the case. Otherwise, grab an Asrock AB350M Pro 4.

>>60738803
Considering this looks like a gaming rig.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/s2bxKZ
You can save money if you decide to drop back down to a 120gb SSD of the same brand/type Kingston uv400

>>60738824
see
>>60738924
Also I selected a 450W so that you'll be able to upgrade later to a 1600 chip, without buying a bigger PSU.

>>60738860
Thanks. I like the AB350M better, is this ok then:

https://www.caseking.de/asrock-ab350m-pro4-amd-b350-mainboard-sockel-am4-mbar-238.html

https://www.caseking.de/amd-ryzen-5-1600-3-2-ghz-summit-ridge-sockel-am4-boxed-hpam-123.html

>>60738924
>>60738936
Thank you too. I would want to switch to an AMD GPU when I go with Ryzen, is the RX 570 the go-to mid range card?

>>60738972
We'd prefer to go with 8gb 580's. But there's demand issues causing price hikes of +$100. If you can find a 580 8gb for its correct retail grab it.
But yes, the 570 and 580 are the go to cards.

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One more time before I pull the trigger. Any criticisms before I upgrade?

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>>60737826

Up to $200 what's the most powerful air cooled single slot video card? I see the RX 460 haven't been bought out quite yet and I was hoping I could find a 1050 Ti as well to compare, but there seems to be no US supplier, just overseas Inno3d and Elisa

How much does it really matter what HDD brand you get? I'm looking at getting a 4x2TB RAID 0 setup, and Seagate seems like the most popular brand.

>>60739242
Seagate is cheap right now. That's why we're using them. Nothing wrong with them explicitly.
You may want to look into using a different raid type seeing as you're using more than two drives.

Do you guys think that ryzen 3 will be highish clock speeds (<3.5ghz) ~4 cores cpu or a xeon like cpu with ~8 cores and clock speeds > 3.3ghz

Gigabyte AB350M-Gaming 3 or Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ? Paired with a Ryzen 5 1600

>>60739031
Do you overclock? If not, which you shouldn't with the stock cooler no matter how cool the LEDs are, go for a B350 board.

Have you done the calculations, you might only need a 650 supernova.

>>60739377
The M is a mATX board.

How much does memory speed really effect gaming? Am i gonna get dramatic differences with for example 2133Mhz versus 2400Mhz?

With Ryzen.

>>60739460
Around 3-5FPS. Might not sound like much, but as future things come and chip away at your total, it helps to keep your system relevant for longer.

>>60739460
Not just gaming but Ryzen chips in general do a lot better with faster RAM.

Does anybody have a mainboard with a bios that uses AGESA v1.0.0.6? How good is it?

>>60737537
>R5 1600 - best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you too lazy to OC

Is there any benefit to the 1600 over the 7600k besides price?
I'm a pleb working on my first build and my brother said to avoid AMD but he's fed me misinformation before.

Pc will be exclusively for gaming

Trying to make a Ryzen R7 1700 build for productivity and gaming, and I'm conflicted between these three motherboards right now:
ASRock AB350 Pro4
MSI X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4
ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming
Which one should be the best?

>>60739496
>>60739488
if i buy a 2400Mhz kit, can i overclock it easily to, let's say 3200Mhz?

>>60739669
You can always download Mhz

>>60739669
Doubtful

Is 53 C idle for a GPU good?

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>tfw have full HD 144hz freesync monitor
>building a midrange ryzen radeon system
>no more rx 570 and 580 in sight like ever were I live
>stuck with rx 560 till new mid-range series radeons will emerge
>nvidias are everywhere, buy our HTC 1050 ti, goyim
Whelp

>>60739876
No... Did you forget thermal paste? Or even worse put a sticker on the cpu?

>>60739876
GPU, not CPU...
Everything else is in the 30s

>>60739876
>>60739914
Oh, even then it's not right. Check if the fans are spinning.
Also what card?

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Just bit the AMD bullet, feels goodman.

Hope i can OC the CPU with the stock cooler at least moderately.

>>60739945
ah yeah, they weren't spinning.
Just dled evga precision and turned on auto for the fans & it dropped

>>60739669
no you can't

>>60739488
it's more than that but it depends really. in some games you can get 15+ fps while other don't seem to benefit from faster memory at all.

in the end if your mobo supports faster ram then go for it.

>>60739669
25-50% chance.
2933mhz is a very very high chance.

>>60740256
>it's more than that
That was guesstimate from 2133-2400Mhz
Or am I really that far out?

>>60738972
The AB350M is perfectly find, as is the 570. If you can't find a 570 or 580, try a 470 or 480. They're the previous year's models, but virtually identical. The 500 series is just a refresh. Don't worry about them being outdated, because the 500 series is going to be obsolete soon when AMD releases the Vega GPU's

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>>60740222
You can easily reach 3.7/3.8 GHz with the stock cooler.

>tfw still using AMD Piledriver
>tfw $50k in the bank
>tfw still too cheap to upgrade
Maybe in 2 years

is the i3-7350k the only intel card that can easily reach 5 Ghz?

>>60737676

Pro4 > all

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Any glaring issues or obvious improvements to be made here?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nMTVQV

I'm going to be using it 99% of the time for playing quake champions at 144 frames while trying to put out a decent quality OBS stream. I have a little more money to work with, but I don't feel it's necessary, but this is my first pc build so wtf do I know.

Went with nvidia over ayymd graphics because it seems to perform better on quake and also nvidia control panel is a must.

>>60737676
I'm rocking an HD 3490 with 256mb of vram with my ryzen 1600 cpu

I'm in need of a graphics card, is the rx 580 a good choice? I can get
Sapphire Nitro + Radeon RX 580 8GB for +/- 220€ and a MSI AMD Radeon RX 480 ARMOR 8G for 200€
Which one should I buy?

>>60740568
>50k in the bank
That pretty stupid anon. At least put 50% of it into indexes or bonds.

>>60740801
I used the word "bank" metaphorically.
90% of it is in Bitcoin.

>>60740785
Ryzen benefits from high freq ram so if you can afford it go for the 3000 mhz RAM. 1600 comes with a stock cooler with thermal paste pre applied so you don't need to buy thermal paste.

>>60740786
Good luck finding any 580 or 480 in stock anon.

>>60740818
Cash out 40% of it and put that 40% into Eth while the hype is still here.

>lmao why didn't you get an RX 570/580 instead of GTX 1060
I don't know, probably because it will never go back on stock

>>60739287
So what other RAID level should I go with if i want improved write speed and want to be able to keep as much storage as possible?

>>60741011
Depends on what your motherboard supports. Which is typical 1,0,5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID 5 is fine, or if you think something else would suit you better but isn't supported, you can get a RAID controller.

>>60740222
where do you live that the ryzen cpu costs 241 euros? 204 here in germany

>>60737537
>>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings
>>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider if AMD is not an option
AMD is not an option anymore for either Polaris cards
Somebody update the OP to remove the hugely overpriced 570/580 from the recommendation list until prices come back down from 1080Ti territory

>>60741069
RAID 5 doesn't have improved write speed AFAIK. Don't have the PC yet but I'm going to build a new desktop with a 1600 and most likely the ASRock AB350M which only supports RAID 0, 1 and 10

>>60737537
here my fantasy rich kid build, anything wrong? /s
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/98LsFd

>>60741096
570/580 prices are normal.
The US isn't the whole world.

>>60741148
No, they're elevated all over North America and Europe now. It's not worth buying either cards right now without shelling out 1080/1080 Ti money.

>>60738278
Maybe you should actually just talk to your girlfriend instead of bitching about her on 4chan. And if she's as terrible as you make her sound and you want to claim you've already tried talking to her then break up with the bitch you idiot.

Do I need to get a 1070, 1080, or wait for Vega. AMD Is only worth getting for freesync monitors though right?

>>60741146
Why do people have the 850 evo vs the 960 evo? The read and writes on the M2 drives look retardedly faster.

>>60741216
AMD is just not worth buying right now. 550 and 560 pale in comparison to the GTX 1050 and 1050Ti while using more power. The 570 and 580 are good, but they're over $600 now, so the only option in the $300 range is the GTX 1060. None of AMD's GPUs are worth buying right now. The market's fucked because of GPU miners.

>>60741187
They've only gone down in price.

>>60741306
Nope, still sold out here in the US and still costing 1080 money for a 4GB 570

>>60741293
>but they're over $600 now
lmao what?

>>60741293
My local best buy actually has a 580 in stock for Like $300. Is it worth picking up? I've always used nvidia

why don't online shops limit sales of rx570/580 to 1 per person?

i saw posts on leddit where people buy 10+ cards at once. who the fuck lets them do that

>>60741326
hopelessly overpriced. I can get a rx 580 for 213 euros in europe.

>>60741353
fuck you, commie

wtf i was about to order ryzen 1600 for 212€ on amazon.de and the price went up by 20€ just now.

fuck this shit.

>>60741414
https://tropicalprice.com/product/B06XNRQHG4
its on sale on amazon.it for 216€

If you're a europoor, tropicalprice is godsent

>>60741353
Why would they want to do that? Sales are only beneficial, doesn't matter who buys it.

>>60741444
amazon.de offers free delivery to my country though
on amazon.it the seller doesn't even have my country as an option.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YfRFnn

Should I bite the bullet? Will switch to a 500gb instead , but is the 1070 good or should I just get a 1080, advice plz
Inb4 will be used for school, and games. Girlfriend used AutoCAD, SketchUp ,Revit , and all those rendering architect stuff, thanks anons

Gaming and general use, 2700$ budget.
No Streaming, Editing, or Recording.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nMsxKZ

>>60741658
The SSD is fine. Just add an HDD for storage. it's cheaper and more cost efficient to have an SSD for the boot drive and a few select games/programs, and then have an HDD for normal mass storage.

>>60741675
If you want to blow money, that's a great way to do it.

>>60741675
Get air cooler.
Get aftermarket GPU

>>60741725
What's wrong with it?

>>60741602
more potential customers?
>oh not a single shop but xxxx had rx580 in stock, i might shop here in the future!

Please rate my build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DGpMYr
Would it be worth it to fork out some extra shekels for a 1500x, for .1 more ghz and 16 mb of l3 cache? The 1400 can easily overclock to 3.8-3.9 ghz on stock cooler and the extra money would go to peripherals.

>>60741737
other than being way overbuilt? Nothing.

>>60741675
Do u have a decent dac and amplifier for beyerdynamics?

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/g/uys, what's the difference between ECC and NON-ECC RAM?
Please spoon feed me

>>60741792
Some of us don't have to ask people if they'd like fries with that, and can afford a high-end gaming rig.

>>60741797
At the bottom of the part list I put a FiiO A3.

>>60741776
Have you ever thought like that? No? Nor will others.
When they sell it all to just a few costumers, there'll be tons of other customers left wanting. Then it's really about getting a quick restock, or not bump up the prices as much as competitors.

Retail stores try to profit.

>>60741779
>The 1400 can easily overclock to 3.8-3.9 ghz on stock cooler and the extra money would go to peripherals.
No it can't.

>Would it be worth it to fork out some extra shekels for a 1500x, for .1 more ghz and 16 mb of l3 cache?
You get a good stock cooler, so you can overclock to 3.7-3.8Ghz.

That mobo is ass, get a decent one.
>ASRock B350 pro4
>MSI B350 Tomahawk/Mortar/Bazooka

>>60741811
fiio a3 isn't even close to show 770's true potential

>>60741805
ECC has checks to prevent random bits from flipping, non-ECC doesn't.

>>60741845
What would you suggest?

>>60741779
>The 1400 can easily overclock to 3.8-3.9 ghz on stock cooler and the extra money would go to peripherals.
not really since you;d have to buy an aftermarket cooler. The 1400 comes with the Wraith Stealth which is comparable to Intel's stock coolers.
The 1500X on the otherhand comes with the Wraith Spire, which actually can handle an overclock to 3.7/3.8 GHz, though you do still need an aftermarket cooler to clock it any higher.
Over all, I would say the 1500X is worth it if only for the cooler upgrade.

Other than that, get faster ram, in a dual stick configuration. Thank me later

Is
>Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8GB Nitro+
a good card? Coil whine?

Where do you sell used parts? I only want to use this 7700k for a month or two. I'm in Canada if it matters.

>>60741811
I don't work in fast food, but logic dictates that you can't demand a service, then belittle the person providing that service. It doesn't work that way..

>>60741852
So ECC is slower but more reliable?
hm... does it have any significant difference in performance (things like VM or gayming)?

>>60741812
>Have you ever thought like that? No? Nor will others.
Not him, but at least here in Finland grocery stores will often have limitations such as "max 2 per customer" if they're selling something heavily discounted and think they'll run out.

Though obviously that isn't exactly the same thing.

>>60741856
I would get smth like ESI Dr.DAC prime for your phones, but it's kinda expensive i guess
Otherwise, u probably won't hear the difference between dt 770's and 2 times cheaper one's,

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>coolermaster has been out of the 212 am4 mounting brackets for like 4 weeks now
what the fuck.

>>60741687
Okay I'll look into that, but should I get the 1080 or no? ThanksAnon

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So I tried upgrading my power supply and video card yesterday but for some reason the computer wouldn't boot properly. The new parts seemed to power on because the fans were spinning, but all I got was a black screen.

Any idea what I could have been doing wrong? I ended up putting the old parts back and everything still works fine so I presume I didn't break anything, or at least nothing vital. Do you think I just got a faulty PSU, or is it possible there could some other problem? (I'm going to get a different power supply anyway because I'm an idiot and bought a non-modular one, but I'd like to figure out if there's some other issue.)

Here's my current PC. My PSU is a Corsair CX500. The parts I was trying to upgrade to were a Corsair CX750 and a Sapphire R9 390X.

>>60741886
I don't know if it's slower, but it is more expensive and not really worth the extra money unless it's important to protect the integrity of whatever data you're processing(so basically no consumer applications).

Not to mention that consumer processors generally don't even support ECC, so it's a moot point unless you have a xeon(although I think Ryzen does technically support ECC, it just isn't validated, whatever that's supposed to mean).

>>60741943
unless you plan to game at 4k resolution, a 1080 is pretty overkill.

>>60741805
If you have to ask, then you don't need ECC

>>60741929
212 is barely an upgrade over stock 1600 cooler

>>60741946
Put in the new Power Supply first(Ei, don't put in the new videocard), and boot. If everything works, then it's a problem with the videocard.

>>60741987
but the 1700x doesnt come with a cooler

>>60742003
Oh, I forgot to mention I did test it with the old video card and it still didn't work. I still got the black screen. One difference is I have a thing on my motherboard that beeps when the computer boots up and it beeped with the old video card but not the new one, but that's it.

>>60742005
So get 1700.

>>60741868
Guys?

>>60742034
the problem is that I already have the parts and now Im just waiting on the damn bracket

>>60742042
You should've put more effort into researching this...

>>60741967
Okay I don't plan on any 4k gaming but for the rendering should I go for it or no? I was reading that some Anon says if I'm willing to spend that much for a goin I might as well spend more for a 1080, another Anon said why do I have the mini gpu and quite frankly I have no idea since it my first build , anything you would recommend? I might change case to a smaller one though

>>60740856
I have some in ETH but mostly margin trade ETH/USD (which yields USD)

>>60742042
should have bought an am4 edition cooler from someone else like Noctua

>>60742064
If you have the money to spend, get the 1080. Stop listening to AMD shills, they LOVE to pinch as many pennies as possible. It's not really wrong, it's just cheap and a little sad. Would you feel satisfied knowing you cheaped out on your gfx card when your framerates start chugging in newer games? Buy the most that you can afford and budget for, while you can. it's only money.

>>60742062
I mean am4 kind of just came out I didn't think they would only manufacture 10 units of the damn bracket

>>60742083
I didn't tell him to drop the 1070 for a 580 so the shill moniker doesn't apply.. If he can afford the 1080, why not?

>>60742083
You're retarded.

It's cheaper to buy 2 medium-high end cards than to buy 1 really high end card. The more expensive cards have much worse price to performance, as time goes by you'll lose money on your excessive buy.

>>60742111
212 evo is a garbage cooler, and you bought 1700x instead of 1700.

>>60742124
>2
Yeah, SLI/CF is really cost effective.

not everybody is on mommys allowance. pure $/performance isn't the end all be all in every scenario.

>>60742083
Thanks Anon, first person to not just shill me , I do have the money for it, which 1080 would you say ? Other than that , I think I'll finally go for it, I haven't had a computer in years so this one will be it, any ideas on the case , I could go for smaller right?

>>60742152
You don't SLI/CF cards you bought 2 years apart.

>not everybody is on mommys allowance. pure $/performance isn't the end all be all in every scenario.
You must be really bad with your economy if you don't go for price to performance, and match your needs.

1070/1080/1080 ti is really only for severe autists that play single player games all day, and need to have the highest settings to be able to immerse themselves into the games.
Or people with a huge excess of money, and rather spend the money on a computer than a 5th car.

>>60742152
>pure $/performance isn't the end all be all in every scenario.
yes it us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D87tO7VUs2I

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>>60742182
>1080 Ti is somehow expensive
LOL

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wH6xKZ

Looking for feedback on my build.
Thanks a bunch.

Hello guys I'm gonna build this pc, any recommendations?https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CQQxKZ

>>60742177
EVGA have the best warranty and support, (within so many days you could upgrade to a 1080ti for only the price difference,) but ASUS also makes good cooler designs and support will be helpful if you make a stink on their social media. I'd stay away from GIGABYTE (bad experiences in past). Take a look at those two brands 1080 offerings and decide for yourself. Mid size towers are just fine, no reason to go any smaller unless you're really cramped for space.

dog

so I have an old shitbox PC that I bought a better processor for in hopes of breathing life into it. I carefully and correctly put in the new processor and while the tower lights up and the fan turns on, I get nothing on the screen, no POST. Im thinking its actually incompatible even though the documentation says it does.

The issue is, I put the old processor back and now it wont POST with the old processor either. I was super careful putting it in and I grounded myself by touching the case. Is there a process to putting in a new processor besides just putting it in and firing it up? I put a little bit of thermal paste, wasnt messy with it. What the fuck am I missing? Did I just brick this computer?

>>60742259
I don't know too much but will that be pretty much helpful to the uses I'm gonna need? If so then I don't have a problem getting it. I'll get it together and alittle cramp for space , someone told me about a design C or something like that for a case, I still don't know a thing about computers hopefully I'll learn on the way doing this

Convince me to get a 1700 over a 7700k. Show me that they perform the same in games when overclocking.

>>60741962
Alright, thank you good man (or woman).

>>60742296
reset cmos by pulling bios battery and try again

>>60742325
no one cares if you buy inferior hardware

>>60742202
terrible cooler, stick to stock.
i'd get at least 250gb ssd (su800)
i don't know about mobo, some anon said that asus is shit, try looking at asrock.
you could go cheaper with psu and case.

Finally got a my parts, first time building but I'm scared to do it, i don't want to brick anything as it was expensive. What do? YouTube video? Even though they use different parts? Also don't got windows, should I sail the seas for it? (If you know what I mean...)

>>60742364
tried the CMOS trick, didn't make a difference :(

Considering the RX 580's are not available. Should I buy the 1060 6gb?

>>60742364
>no one cares if you buy inferior hardware
So you can't convince me with evidence?

>>60742325
>Show me that they perform the same in games when overclocking.
as long as you delid, they don't
but why on earth would you buy into a dead chipset?

>>60741414
look for other retailers, maybe they send to your country

https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-5-1600-yd1600bbaebox-a1604879.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ym8sFd

First build, gonna be used mostly for gaming and maybe some minor music production.
I'm upgrading from a potato laptop, so I'm used to playing older games, usually with all the settings on low.

I know the PSU and ram are probably overkill, but the plan is to upgrade the cpu and gpu early next year when I've got more funds.

Ni/g/gas, I need a budget card to get by until new gen cards arrive.
Is rx 560 sufficient for high medium settings gaming and online shooters, or I should cash out for atleast gtx1050ti? Have freesync monitor though.

>>60742878
>Is rx 560 sufficient for high medium settings gaming and online shooters,
That's what it's made for. Amd is exactly aiming for that market with this card.

Has anyone had any experience with an acer monitor? I went into best buy the other day and the 1080p samsung and LG both looked better than the 4k acer monitor. The dell ultrasharp looked pretty good.

Any monitor suggestions around $300?

>>60743049
I've worked at Best Buy, they purposely use lower fidelity imagery/setups on brands that aren't partners. This is an industry wide problem and happens at all major retailers.

>>60742878
Neet. Also, can someone redpill me on freesync technology and 144hz in general? Does gpu need to reach refresh rate figures in fps to be noticeable?

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How big of a cooling performance impact will this, non-direct heatpipe contact, cause?

>>60743334
>he bent the fins

>>60742771
that's what i'm using. mindfactory is marginally cheaper than local so it's not worth it.
i'm in poland and there's a promotion for -10€ until 12.06 so i could get 1600 for ~204€ along with p300 2tb for 58€

oh well it's not like i'm in a rush since rx580s are out of stock.

>>60743334
Or maybe that's a vapor chamber, rather than just a chunk of copper?

>>60743362
I don't think he cares, and they might've already been bent.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7p8y2R

>>60742790
500w is more than enough even for current top-of-the-line hardware and if anything newer tech is going to use less power but whatever.

i would try to fit 1500x + b350 mobo in there and upgrade to zen+ next year. you're locking yourself to already dead socket while am4 is going to be there for another 4 years.

>>60743550
imo 120gb ssd is too small but the rest is fine.

Any opinions on Zotac gpus?
Going to buy 1080ti AMP! extreme (had two msi gaming x with coil whine I refunded)

>build PC
>test it out
>monitor displays nothing
>VGA light is red
>forgot to plug in video card's power cables

Okay, that one's on me, but:

>Put in Windows 7 DVD
>Installation begins
>Attempt to select the language/keyboard layout I want
>Mouse does nothing
>Keyboard does nothing
>They are both completely off
>They were both just working in the BIOS
>Can't install Windows if I can't hit "Next".

>Find USB to PS/2 adapter to plug mouse into PS/2
>Nothing changes
>Motherboard has no keyboard PS/2 slot

Fucking what.

>>60743762
Install gentoo.

>>60742790
>cpu and gpu
You'll need a new mobo then with intel. No idea how amd handles things desu.

Worth buying a "DEMO" hdd? Doesn't demo just mean they've had it in a display case? Or did they actually write things to it?

It's a 3tb 2.5" drive, and costs just about the same as the 2tb version of it.
>ST3000LM024

>>60743653
I could probably skimp on the monitor and GPU and get the 1600 or 1600x.

What's the cheapest GPU I could get by with?

>>60743779
I'm actually posting from a PC Linux live CD right now, I was planning on installing it if I can't get Windows installed.

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Been slowly collecting parts for the last couple months of sales and my last piece arrives tomorrow. How did I do?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vbT3QV

>>60743762
Is your hardware supported by Windows 7? Remember that Kaby Lake and Ryzen aren't.

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i've been looking to upgrade for a while, i finally have my own guap to spend and might as well future-proof my rig for the next few years. this is what i came up with, but i'm worried that i'm overpaying or the build might not work because of imcompatibilies.
link: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/hyxCnn
i usually play video games, graphic intense and everything (1080p, at least 60fps), but i sometimes video edit (premiere pro) and produce music (FL, Ableton), but nothing extreme. appreciate any help. oh, i'm also going to be buying parts from a local PC store, not online. games i usually play, overwatch, diablo 3, witcher 3. looking to get ultra/high settings and 60fps. thanks a lot :3

>>60743841
>Validate me! Validate me!

You did exactly as the shills here wanted you to, good goyim.

>>60743875
Get a z270 board if you're taking that route. numbnuts.

The shills here will tell you to use Ryzen, but as of now Ryzen has EXTREME LATENCY with Ableton. Do not let them meme you. Otherwise this system is more than capable of playing those games at max or beyond.

The hyper 212 evo is obsolete. Get a Cryorig h7 for better performance at the same price while being smaller, or upgrade to a more expensive Noctua unit as the 7700k's do tend to run a bit warm

>>60743066
Seriously? Where can I find honest reviews on monitors?

>HDD S.M.A.R.T. data says the drive is fine
>haven't noticed any problems during day-to-day tasks
>games installed on HDD stutter a lot at certain times
For example, the original Counter-Strike that even a budget build can handle 500+ FPS in this game freezes for a moment when people use radio commands (Need backup!, etc.).

Not sure why. What do? I did notice some performance issues within Windows when using the drive but a reinstall seemed to have fix that or it's just far less noticeable now.

>>60743818
gtx 1050 is already kinda low end, i personally wouldn't go lower than that.

you could make ryzen 1600 build by getting a cheaper psu and only 8gb of ram, then also upgrade your memory in future by buying another stick. something like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GjRhNN

>>60743917
http://www.pcmonitors.info/reviews/
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/

Hey /pcbg/. I am in need of a good monitor. I plan to get two of the same (one for my PC and one for my PS4). My main requirements are it is less than $150, 1080P/60FPS, is mountable to a desk mount, and has speakers on it (not that needed, but would make my setup much more cleaner, I don't have a headset as of now so speakers will be useful till then).

>>60743945
This is PCBG not Tech Support General

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>>60744008
Please be gentle and help me, anon.

>>60744003
do you have amd gpu? if yes then C22F390/S24E370DL
if not then i2367Fh or any 1080p60hz ips monitor

>>60744025

Defrag your shit and increase windows page file.

>>60743762
Have you tried shutting down your computer then turning ti on again?

>>60744177
>Defrag your shit and increase windows page file.
T-Thank you, anon.

>>60743947
Thanks anon, looks sweet.

Which RX 580 has the best bang for a buck (where cheaper=better for my tight budget)? I don't want to buy a card that is 30$ more, if it only means 2 FPS difference.
Also, I still don't know which one should I choose - RX 570/RX 580/GTX 1060 6GB if I'll mostly play vidya at 1080p/60+fps but want to have some longevity for my rig.

>>60744376
Probably pulse.

>>60744376
>Which RX 580 has the best bang for a buck
Literally doesn't matter when all versions are out of stock everywhere.

>>60744376
amd has proven to be better in terms of longevity in the past. currently all rx are out of stock so if you don't wait just go with 1060. i would pick 580 myself

>>60744430

That's obvious, but I'm not buying right now, I can wait wait and pull the trigger as soon as stocks move up.

>>60744412

It seems nice enough, but is it much better than, for example, top tier RX 570?

>>60744376
>rx 580

sorry anon, those are sold out or marked up the ass everywhere online because of cryptocucks. Probably should go for the 1060.

>>60744472
any rx 580 is going to be better than rx 570 by ~15+%.

rx580 seems to be the perfect spot for 1080p60 currently but rx470 has better perf/$.

>>60744545
>but rx470 has better perf/$.
i meant rx570 but it's the same thing really

anyone here ever ordered at mindfactory.de? Is it worth it to get the service level gold extra?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BYgKVY
I think I've decided on a build, decided to use it for gaming autism and productivity.
I didn't buy anything yet, rate.

My rig is years behind, but i recently picked up an unopened gtx750ti for $50.i hope to be able to cut down the size of my rig while upgrading most of the innards as well as my case.
My question is should stick with the 750ti, considering my low budget and its amazing size and price and low power consumption?

>RX 570 4gb - 276$
>RX 570 8gb - 299$
>RX 580 8gb - 350$
Is RX 580 really wroth it? Seem like RX 570 8GB is a really good deal...

>>60744717
At those inflated prices I'd say it's as good a deal as the 570.

>>60744739
They aren't even inflated, just not bottom of the barrel bins and manufacturers.
Just converted prices to USD.

>>60744666
meme/10

>>60744667
750ti is already an old(ish) card. it depends on your budget, what you're upgrading to and games you play. don't expect to run aaa on high with 750ti but it'll be fine for things like mobas, csgo, rocket league, overwatch etc.

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>>60744717
>bought 8gb rx 580 at $229 at the end of april
>4 weeks later prices skyrocket

Feel bad for those anons who didn't pull the trigger. At least Vega is coming.

>>60744828
sell it and buy 1070 :^)

Is logical increments legit? I want to build a heavy budget build just for Overwatch but don't know if I should trust it.

>>60744920
It's not bad as a starting point, but it's certainly not a substitute to doing your own research.

>>60744920
no. some of the builds there are terrible. just post here

>>60744920
the cpu, gpu recommendations are each price tier are pretty good but everything else is hit or miss. for example you don't need a $90 750w gold psu for a gtx 1070 + i5 7600k when a bronze 600w $50 psu from seasonic or any other reliable brand will be cheaper and just as good.

>>60744996
at each price tier*

>>60744920
There's nothing logical about more expensive builds having 1000w power supplies just because

>>60743653
>you're locking yourself to already dead socket while am4 is going to be there for another 4 years.

Noob here, what'd he mean by this?
Couldn't you use this mobo to upgrade to a 7700k once the prices go down?

>>60743653
>you're locking yourself to already dead socket
You're talking out of your ass, Coffee lake could still be releasing on 1151. It's not known yet.

>>60745095
Prices don't go down.

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Hello /pcbg/!
I'm building a gaming PC for the first time and I have put together a list for roughly ~$1,350 USD (or $1,800 CDN). The Canadian dollar is garbage, so it's all I can afford. I would really appreciate if you could critique this list:

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/xDNTTH

I'm finally upgrading from a Mac that used to crash occasionally when I played League on the lowest settings. I'm going to be using this mostly for gaming (LoL, Skyrim, random steam games) and shitposting.

The keyboard is really cheap, so I don't know how good it is. I would appreciate some suggestions for a better one as well. I love you all.

>>60745210
looks good, starter peripherals are cheap as fuck holy shit, hard to go wrong with mouse+kb for 13 bucks. I'd up your RAM speed/volume by getting a smaller cheaper mid tower case.

>>60745095
look at 4790k. they're still 300$ used.

>>60745111
>this is what intel fanboys actually believe
you will be disappointed. even if coffee lake releases on 1151, am4 is going to be around 3 years longer.

>>60745210
pick another & cheaper mid tower case. no one needs full tower, it's fucking huge.
the rest is good, though i heard msi has some issues with longer boot times. not sure if it's been fixed.

>>60745353
>am4 is going to be around 3 years longer.
Too bad none of the motherboards anyone is buying here are worth keeping that long. All cheap garbage with so many tradeoffs and problems.

>>60745210
>Add Cryorig H7 cooler
>RAM: Ballistix sport LT 2x8GB 2400mhz
>mobo: MSI B350M Bazooka
>SSD: MX300 500gb or similar (no SSDNow V3)
>Case: Fractal Design Define C Mini
>PSU: SuperNOVA 550W

>>60745392
that's a bait. don't listen

>>60745377
>No 5x m.2 slots
>No triple buffer quad antenna wifi
Yeah, those are just completely useless shit.
m.2 is already pointless, they just cost more, and a 2.5" drive really doesn't take much space at all.

>>60745392
Why are you telling him to gimp his system with slower RAM?

Why are you typing it instead of using pcpartpicker?

Whatever you do, don't listen to this fag. Other than the no SSD Now v300, that's true advice.

>>60745410
Double rank ram is much faster than single rank ram. 2400mhz double rank should be about same as 3000mhz single rank.
Then you simply overclock it to 2933mhz or 3200mhz, depending on how well your kit and mobo does.

>>60745435

>implying rank matters

I think you mean channel.

>>60745410
>>60745435
Oh, and typing is much faster.
It's the helpee that has to do the work, not the helper.

>>60745435
Not with Ryzen, since infinity fabric is directly proportional to the RAM frequency.

>>60745353
>buying intel
don't

>t. 4790k user, i wish i didnt have this housefire

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>>60745445
Rank does matter, and no, I'm not talking about channel.

Obviously you'll want dual channel, for the double data rate, hence the DDR name.

>>60745456
no it isnt dumbfuck

>>60745486
Yes it is, dumbass.

>>60745456
It's intel that really doesn't see much effect on SR vs DR, or so I suppose, ryzen sees a huge benefit from DR.

Having 2xDR sticks in dual channel, is pretty much the same as having 4xSR sticks in dual channel.

>>60745477

>Obviously you'll want dual channel, for the double data rate,

Being dual channel is unrelated to being double data rate.

>>60745519
The rated speed is it's double data rate.

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I'm still working with a DDR2 motherboard and dual core, not even a quad. I was thinking of getting a qx9650, but it's so expensive for how little it has to offer. Still it does have a 12MB cache.

I'd like to change to a 1151 and get the cheapest, but most powerful G series CPU.
Still that means buying DDR4 memory and filling up all the slots is expensive.
How does the G compare to the I3/I5/I7. Can I use any CPU on a 1151 socket or only the latest sky lake?

What should I do, /g/?

>>60745466
i wasn't telling him to buy intel, just stating that even old used i7 are still expensive as fuck.

>>60745548
you can buy lga771 e5450/x5460 from ebay/aliexpress and mod them to work on lga775 mobo. they're about ~20$.

>>60745548
What do you even intend to use the computer for?
No graphics card?

G4560 needs a flashed B150 or H110, or a B250 board.
Get 2x4gb kit too, and I guess you'll be able to play shit like cs go and overwatch.

I need a decent gaming build with a budget of around $1000 or less, any recommendations?

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>>60745501
wew i wonder who this could be

>>60745548
>How does the G compare to the I3/I5/I7.
Very favorably, in terms of price/performance. The i3 line is basically obsolete except for some specific use-cases like emulation where you only care about getting the best possible single-core performance, since the kaby lake(and make sure you get a kaby lake and not skylake if you're getting a new pentium - skylakes don't have hyperthreading) pentiums are basically i3s with slightly lower clocks.

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>>60745346
>>60745353
thanks for the help. Should I change the motherboard or do you think it's okay?

Also, I have no idea with mid tower case or monitor to get. I'm solid with everything else on my list (https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/hjzsFd).

thanks again

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>>60745653
how can you be an AMD poojeet shill and not know how your own brands platform works?
captcha included

also, why SHOULDN'T I get this pre-built PC? compared to my parts list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/hjzsFd , It seems to be pretty good value.

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_1203_1446_1448&item_id=105371 , hell this one has a 1080

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Hey /g/, I could use some help brainstorming.

So, I want to build a PC that's as compact as possible (something that's VESA mountable) that still houses a full power CPU and a discrete GPU. I've been looking at the new mini-STX form factor, and it did seem like it might be possible to nig-rig it into exactly what it is I wanted to do. ASRock makes a motherboard that can use full-power 65W CPUs, and you can use a 4x to 16x adapter/riser on the M.2 slot to connect a proper graphics card (with minimal performance loss). From there, you need a separate power supply for the GPU--I was looking at something like one of the picoPSU or HDPLEX power supplies.

Unfortunately, there's hardly any cases out there for mini-STX yet, and, of course, none of them are designed with a discrete GPU in mind, since the form factor itself isn't really intended for discrete GPUs. I thought maybe I could jam one of the small form factor 1060s or 1070s into one of them (along with a very slim CPU cooler), but to my surprise, even those are too long for most of these tiny cases. Something like a 1050ti or RX460 might fit, but I'd rather use something a bit more stout. An R9 Nano would fit too, those seem to be hard to find and too expensive. I'd rather not go with MXM. I found one case that might be a bit more workable (the Akasa Cypher ST) but it seems like it's only available for sale in Europe.

So, does anyone have any ideas? For starters, does anyone know of any mini-STX cases out there that aren't the 2 sold by Silverstone? Alternatively, does anybody know of some graphics cards with R9 Nano-like dimensions? On that note, does anybody know the length of a reference 580 without the stock cooler?

Alternatively, what are the absolute smallest mini-ITX cases out there that could house a discrete GPU? Again, something VESA mountable, or suitable for VESA mounting. The most promising thing I've found on that front is the Fractal Node 202, but it's still a bit bigger than I'd like.

>>60745821
it's 300$ more expensive anon. you can put a 1080 in your build too.

also it's guaranteed to have slow ram and shit psu. that 1080 is reference version and the cpu is locked. mobo is probably some cheap b250.

>>60745821
Notice all the parts(like PSU, motherboard, SSD) they're NOT naming? Those are likely the cheapest, housefire-tier crap they can put in and still have the computer probably be function until the warranty runs out.

should i get an all in one water cooler to replace my evo 212 and if so what one should i get the evo is about 5 years old now so its not like im just throwing it out

>>60745821
Voila https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/CmwFnn
Better computer for the same price, 500gb SSD instead of 240.

>>60745927
Wait nvm this... A320M, not B350M.

This then, add 45$ for Cryorig H7
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MhbZ3F

>>60745974
>2400mhz memory

>>60745994
>Overclock

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>>60745872
>>60745891
>>60745927
thanks, I'm a huge newbie at this and my dad nearly convinced me to buy it.

I have this going for me now:
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/cWFy2R

Is there anyway I can cheap out on the motherboard without losing performance? I am very, very happy with the Ryzen 1600 and GTX 1080. I just need a monitor now as well and I'm done.

i love you all

>>60746021
msi tomahawk is a better overclocker but if you don't care about that 0.1-0.2GHz then pick AsRock Pro4.
just a note that with gtx1080 you should be looking into at least 1440p60hz, maybe even 4k monitors. picking 1080p would be a waste.

>>60746021
MSI Bazooka and Mortar are a bit cheaper, but make sure you get B350.

I'm a bit meh about that case, you may want to look at Phanteks P400 Tempered glass.
The problem with non-tempered glass, is that it's usually something like acrylic, which means it'll easily get scratch, and just look bad.

You'll also be sure that the case you buy comes with some fans, as otherwise you'll have to buy premium ones.

>>60746080
B350M is fine too.

Alternatives to Phantek P400, is NZXR S340 Elite (non-elite is not tempered glass).

>>60746077
>>60746080
>>60746104
okay, I'll look at those cases and monitors, thank you.

Also, about the graphics card, do you think I'm going overboard with the 1080? Will a 1070 play newer games fine for the next couple years? I mostly use it to play LoL, Skyrim and random steam games desu. Will I net great fps on the highest settings with a 1070?

>>60746119
Review of P400 tempered glass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaVmbStgW8E

He has quite a lot of good reviews of cases.

>>60737676
Pro4
I have the mATX version and it's the best for the money.

RAM compatibility has improved with bios updates, but i've only been able to get my 3000mhz ram to 2667.

Everyhing else is flawless. The vrm is good and has it's own aluminum heatsinks.

>>60746119
I don't play games much, but generally GTX 1060 or RX 580 is enough for most gaming, possibly only having to turn down some settings, and in 1080p.
I believe it's more cost effective to buy "mid/high" range GPU every other year, than to shell out for a beast every few years.

Check for benchmarks for the games you want to play.

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>>60746231
>>60746185
>>60746080
>>60746077
thanks, now our baby just needs a monitor. any final objections before I spend an obscene amount of money on a vidya machine is welcome.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/rQtq2R

>>60737537
If I generally stick to the same types of hardware, I shouldn't have to change motherboards correct?
I know that's confusing but
AMD CPU --> Better AMD CPU
Radeon GPU --> Better Radeon CPU

>>60746283
could save money by going non-samsung SSD
otherwise it's good

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>>60746283
>vidya machine
>ryzen

>>60746324
what?
If you change CPU you'll have to change motherboard too if the socket is different

>>60746324
The GPU doesn't matter as they're all interchangeable. better is better and nothing will change that
As to CPUs, it depends on the socket. different generations used different sockets for the CPU.
For example, AMD's new Ryzen processors use the AM4 socket type. The previous generation of AMD processors, the Bulldozer FX chips, use the AM3+ platfform. They're not interchangeable.

>>60746381
The R5 1600 is a nice CPU right in-between the i5s & i7s in term of framerate, why would it not be good?

>>60746283
Might want to throw in Cryorig H7 CPU cooler, it'll let you overclock as much as possible.
r5 1600 stockfan is pretty decent, and you'll probably be able to overclock to somewhere between 3.6-3.8ghz on it, but unsure how much noise it'll make at that point.

It's really something you could upgrade later on, but a bit of a fiddle to have to take everything out to install it.
When you do open up your computer to change parts, you'll want to empty the capacitors, by unplugging the PSU, and then pressing the power button.

>>60746401
>inb4 single core performance

>>60746388
>>60746393
Cool okay, so if I stick to AM3+ I should be good.
Thanks

>>60746431
>but unsure how much noise it'll make at that point.
The wraith cooler is very quiet, even at 100% speed. It's audible but christ, at 100% you wouldn't expect the noise level to be so low.

>>60746497
You're spending money on an AM3 mobo halfway through 2017?

>>60746497
Yea, if you want to Upgrade to Ryzen, you need a new motherboard.

>>60738972
RX570 is the best performance/price card for 1080p. It is ideal if you can find one in stock.

>>60746522
I only needed a little bit more CPU power and wasn't into spending a TON of money. I suppose I should think about the future though.

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Is this the best PSU to get in terms of wattage?
A lot of say that a PSU is best when the power draw is at half of what its rated for but I see no evidence.

The current total estimated wattage for my system is 379w and if within the future I upgrade it to the top parts the max wattage will be around is 420w. This is still nowhere near close to 850 watts.

>>60746667
>x370 SLI Plus
Why?

>A lot of say that a PSU is best when the power draw is at half of what its rated for
A PSU is indeed more efficient when it's not at full load / when at lower loads, but that doesn't mean you should spend $180 on it. It's not like you're gonna save much money by doing that, and if it's efficiency you're searching for you have Titaniums PSU that are the best at that.

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Is this piece of shit good for gaming on a 1k budget?

Any word on Mini ITX motherboards and a very low profile cooler (like Engine 27 size, but for AMD) for Ryzen? I'd love to give AMD a shot and make a shopping list and compare to the Intel system I did, but the only mobo I found that's ITX and AM4 is one from fucking Bioshit.

>>60747018
at 320p maybe
yes

>>60747031
some more ITX motherboards have been announced but all we can do is wait for them
can't think of any low profile cooler similar to the Engine 27 on AM4 though

>>60747018
yes.

>>60747046
>320p
Explain?

Currently with a 7700k and a GTX 1070 using a 1080p VGA screen 60hz (using an active VGA to DVI-D adapter). I get some screen tearing issues... or black line issues, in BF1 notably NO MATTER how I tweak the Nvidia options, whether I activate vsynch, no matter how I limit the FPS etc. Anyway my point is that it's most likely time for me to upgrade my monitor but I'm not sure with what.

Realistically I'm not sure I could afford a 1440p 144hz with IPS screens (which I believe is what I should aim for). But more than that I don't even have the rig to really profit from this as I'd have to buy a 1080 ti or something to reach such high FPS in 144hz. So I'm left with two choices :
1# 1080p 144hz, which most likely would get rid of any monitor issues I'm having as it could handle the refresh rates of mycomputer.
2# 1440p 60hz, which would really feel like an upgrade to me (going from 1080p). Also admittedly I'm not exactly looking for more than 60 FPS; sure it'd surely be nice but I'm barely playing competitively anymore, and when I do I have a casual approach about it anyway. The problem with this 1440p 60hz is I'm afraid of once again getting tearing issues...
There's also Gsync which to be honest am not even sure it'd help my case nor what that thing really does.

Please help, thanks for reading.

Best way to get windows 10?

>>60747084
i was joking about the fact that you are asking if a R5 1600 + GTX 1070 was good for gaming, when it's more than great & quite a lot overkill for 60hz 1080p

>>60747018
Pretty meh monitor for a gtx 1070... and a gtx 1070 being founders edition.

Budget mobos are
>MSI B350 Carbon/Krait
>ASRock B350/M Pro4
>MSI B350/M Tomahawk/Mortar/Bazooka

Looks like a shit case.

>>60747103
Look at windows 10 pro keys using allkeyshop

>>60747086

If in the US and you are an adult, you could always sign up PayPal credit/website or store equivalent. Usually it's something like 6 months no interest no fees for x months and 12 months no interest no fees for x (usually twice the months) months. May help and it could help with your credit score even

>>60747111
Ah, gotchu. thanks.

new thread when?

>tfw i got a gtx 1060/r5 1600 instead of r5 1400/1500x/i5 7400/gtx 1070 for a little more money

>>60747086
I wouldn't be surprised if the black lines were steming from the adapter
If you're not interested in 144hz then i'd say just go for 1440p & get the right cable this time instead of using an adapter

>>60747173
When current one dies, just because the bump limit is reached doesn't mean we have to rush a new one.
As you can see people are perfectly able to find the thread even though it's on page 6.

>>60747154
EU and I already own a Paypal, hell this is actually where I make most of my money.

Ultimately I could buy a 500€ screen and be fine with it, but I don't like wasting money either. My concerns are more directed towards : what would best for me and what would get rid of tearing issues FOR SURE?

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>>60746787
I chose a x370 because I'm planning on doing some upgrades later also I'm hoping that a x370 would be built tougher than a b250.

Also I changed the PSU to a 650w platinum better?

>>60747192
I also feel like the adapter is the cause.
>& get the right cable this time instead of using an adapter
I had no other choices, newer cards don't have a VGA port anymore. Only HDMI/DVI-D.

>>60747137
Do I get a trial first or something? How much is windows 10 anyway?

>>60747205

>All that tax yo

Fuck me that's about as bad as what those crazy euros and that VAT tax get.

>>60746667
>>60746787
It's most efficient at about half load, but it's usually about 90-95% as efficient at full load.
However it's often only like half as efficient at 5% load.
So you need a balance between the idle power usage being around 10% load, but peak being between 50% and 80% load.

For that build you should get a 420-650watt.

>>60747236
They cost like $5..
Yes, you get 30 day trial when you install windows 10. Retail OEM keys cost $100 otherwise, those keys too will stop working if you change your motherboard.

>>60747236
like 26 euros, maybe around like 30 bucks for an americunt

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Looking for upgrade advice.

My screen started going black at random intervals for a couple of seconds the other day, so I think my GPU may be on its way out and is letting me know.
I want to be able to run games at max like when I bought this setup, but I don't want to spend too much on the upgrade. New MOBO maybe? The one I bought doesn't have enough pins for more fans and it didn't have enough pins for USB ports, making it so that the USB 3.0 on the front of my case doesn't work.