/pcbg/ - PC Building General

New builder here.
I am troubleshooting my build as it keep freezing after booting.
Will I potentially damage any hardware if I hold down the power button to turn it off?

https://pcpartpicker com/list/wWmRXH
Budget is around 600$ How did I do? Anything thats overkill or wont gain from or anything I can swap around?

RX570 and RX580 are hard to find and going for $300-$400 on ebay due to Ethereum value skyrocketing.

1060 6GB at $215-$230 is a pretty good alternative.
Don't worry about whether it's a newer 9Gbps VRAM model or not. Benchmarks show it makes a much smaller difference than the difference between RX470 and RX570 is.

But I kept them in the OP because you should still buy RX570 immediately if you see them around 170-185US/EUR for the 570 as it's the much better value for 1080p gaming, and you can even mine on it as well and it recoups its cost in under 2 months.

Is it bad idea to buy used SSD on Amazon?

>>60730903
Buy a window OEM key from Kinguin. That is only 25 euros saving you 75 dollars.

>>60730941
Or from one of the stores on allkeyship, that's 5$.

>>60730939
>Is it bad idea to buy used SSD
Generally yes, because you'd risk getting one halfway through it's life span.

>>60730939
Yes.

>>60730901
>Will I potentially damage any hardware if I hold down the power button to turn it off?
Yes, it's something you want to avoid. It's rare to break it that way but if your hard drive happen to do some writing or reading when the power suddenly goes down it can and will at times fuck up some files.

>>60730901
it's not very probable. But it should be taken as last measure, since if you do it in any crucial OS process, it can damage the software. Other than that you should be fine.

Are you trying to OC?

>>60730903
Get a G4560 instead, it's much cheaper but performs very very close.
That's an expensive motherboard for a locked CPU, and if the logic behind it is that you're gonna end up upgrading the CPU then getting a low end PSU doesn't make sense for it

>>60730964
My build has no HDD as I figured that would happen. I am booting / installing windows on my SSD. The problem is that it constantly freezes mid installation forcing me to hard reset it.

I am more worried about the other parts like my GPU, CPU, RAM etc.

>>60730975
Nope. Just putting it together. First time getting a custom build too. Put it together. Tried installing windows. Froze. Checked everything. Still freezes. Took everything apart and put it back again. Still freezes at random points when installing my OS onto my SSD.

If it doesn't damage my hardware, I should be able to keep my GPU plugged in while troubleshooting it right?

>>60730903
>https://pcpartpicker com/list/wWmRXH
>how'd I do
Pretty shit.
You got a lot of overpriced garbage which means no SSD which means you're going to get bottlenecked by that HDD in many cases.
And cheap Corsair PSUs are garbage.
i3-7100 is not worth getting except when you could get it for $77 from Frys sale.
You're better off with a G4600 using the iGPU, or G4560 if using a dGPU.
Get windows for cheaper/free, and get a 480-525GB SSD instead of the HDD.
Get a mATX motherboard and cast which saves like another $40.

For ~$625, you could really get a R5 1400 and SSD if you budgeted better in other areas.

At $159 from Fry's there is the i3-7300 and a B250M motherboard. That's the only case I'd get an Intel 2 core besides the G4560 and G4600, when you are getting like $35-$60 off like that
But even then, I'd only recommend that combo for an HTPC with no dGPU.
If you're getting a 1050Ti, I think you should be getting it with a 1400, 1500X, or G4560. If you're getting an i3, the only thing that makes sense is getting it for the better iGPU for use in emulators.

>>60731014
>My build has no HDD as I figured that would happen. I am booting / installing windows on my SSD
It doesn't matter, if the SSD is doing some writing while you're doing this it will still fuck up the files

GPU, CPU & RAM will do perfectly fine.

>>60730903
READ THE OP
Ditch the i3 for a G4560 ot jump up to ryzen.
Also, you can get an Ultrastar 2-3TB HDD for like $10-$20 more.
As the other anon mentioned, get Windoes from Kinwin

>>60730939
It's a bit of a gamble, but if the price is low enough I'd go with it since you get excelent client protection.

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I just did Prime95 test on my Ryzen 5 1600 stock. It rose to 75.5°C in 2-3 minutes and then it stayed around that value for next 30 minutes. Maximum was 76.3°C. Are those temps OK for Ryzen? After I turned Prime95 off it went back to 33-35°C in around 2 minutes.

Also what is the difference between those 2 sensors highlighted in red?

>>60731014
Which Windows and what kind of SSD?

>>60731041
>GPU, CPU & RAM will do perfectly fine.
Alright. That settles one of my worried at least. Still have to fix it. Tearing my hairout here.

>>60731074
Windows 10. Samsung 850.

>>60731076
Try another iso, then try installing it on a hard drive instead, and if it doesn't work i'd just RMA both the CPU, RAM & mobo

>>60731055
One is the sensor on your motherboard and the other is your cpu's.
You can usually tell the CPU sensor because temperatures will immediately spike up when stressed but the motherboard's is slower.

>>60731093
I'll try. I will figure this out I guess. I am more worried about me potentially damaging my hardware while trying to figure out what is wrong.

>>60730903
I've seen people post like $725 builds in previous threads with a 500GB SSD, RX570, and 1500X, which is about 75-100% faster than that build for only $110 more.

But I'm not sure you can still find RX570s for $170-$180

>>60731074
>what kind of SSD
Corsair MX300 or ADATA SU800 are the best reasonably priced ones. Only 1-9% slower than a Samsung 850 and they seem to be more reliable by the user reviews.

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Any one try one of these scandisk ssd;s? I was thinking of picking this one up or should I just go with an evo 850?

>>60731055
You should undervolt.
See what the lowest stable voltage you can get for 3.6 or 3.7GHz all cores is, on most 1600s this will make it cooler but also faster than stock.
Aim for [email protected], a lot of 1600s should at least boot with that then if it's stable lower it bit by bit until it isn't, if it's not drop the frequency down a notch or the voltage up if you want.

Is freesync really that great of a feature? I'm thinking of just settling for a NVIDIA card because all AMD cards that support freesync are expensive now thanks to mining, even the R9 380.

>>60731130
Samsung EVO are good but overpriced, you can settle for a Sandisk.

>>60731014
Try updating the BIOS with a flash drive.
Check the ram frequencues and compatibility.
if you are having trouble witht he instalation of win 10, you can always watch Pauls video. it's very complete, you probably don't need it but it's always good to go back to the basics. (also, he makes a mistake when selecting the bootdrive, which he explains in the viedeo after)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpqkiaO7q4

>>60731014
run memtest, if you have troubles getting through OS install it's possible the DIMMs are busted

>>60731055
Lower one is most likely a sensor around the socket, since it is listed in the motherboard tab. The one on the top is the sensor in the processor die itself.

>>60731166
Free sync and G sync are amazing if you can afford it. Think of them as the mech keyboard of monitors. You don't need them but once you get them it is hard to go back.

>>60730939
I just shied away from it myself.
'Like new' only refers to the exterior. You might get something that's been abused in a high read/write environment for a few months.

>>60731190
Fugg. Guess I will just have to wait months for the cryptomeme bullshit to end.

>tfw have to suffer with a radeon 4350 until then

>>60731130
Just check the user reviews on various retailers. ~10-15% lower score than SU800 and MX300.
And you can get the SU800 1024GB on sale for $250 like once every month.
The MX300 1.1TB was $200 last black friday.

I'd try and wait for a better deal on a better SSD when it comes to 1TB costs.

>>60731166
Even if you have an Nvidia card, you can get a 75Hz Freesync 1080p monitor for the same price as 1080p 60Hz no-sync.
Same when it comes to more expensive ones.. you can get a 1440p 144hz Freesync IPS for $400, which is roughly the same cost as ones without any sync tech. I think there are some $300 no-sync ones like that but generally they're worse picture quality as well.

Maybe next year or late this year when RX600 comes, which should be smaller Vega with GDDR6, you'll wind up upgrading and can use the Freesync.
But with a 1060 6GB, you won't have any problem maintaining 75fps in almost every game to take advantage of that 75Hz freesync monitor.

>>60731221
Apparently even RX 280X are selling for $150-$250 now. I've heard for them going as much as $300 on Craigslist lmao.

I have 2 old 7970s I'm using for mining. About $2500 a year profit now.

>>60731221
Just wait for the bubble to hopefully burst.
Plus Vega will be out by then.

>>60731244
I have a 290x I just changed out for a 1080ti. Wonder how much I can sell it for.

https://pcpartpicker com/list/p9PhNN
Better then the one started at the thread? I mean assuming Kinguin is legit for OEM (never used) I have even more room to hit my budget. 650$ max. Anything I should change?

>>60731164
How would it be possible to get 3.6 or 3.7 on all cores when I undervolt? Right now it ran at 3.4 at all cores.

>>60731245
Vegas will sell out within the first 3 hours and have no availability for months if they wind up being 2x RX570 performance in mining, which they very likely will.

I'll buy 3 of them, maybe more, even if they're $2000 for the Frontier Edition and can do around 50 MH/s at <100watt. There's people out there that are going to buy dozens, even hundreds.

>>60731260
You can get around $250-$400 for it I believe.
On Craigslist it seems you can get more given the ludricris price means people want to verify it works in person and plus not wait weeks for shipping.

>>60731301
I'm running 3.7GHz all core at 1.1V on my 1600X. It is completely stable, not just "stable for web browsing". I can get it down more like 1.0625V for stable enough for everything I do but it won't pass AIDA64 stability test for an hour like that.

If you're less lucky, yeah it might take 1.15V-1.25V. I think I got fairly lucky with mine.

>>60731301
>>60731331
It can also depend on your motherboard.
A less good motherboard could need 0.075V higher for a given frequency because its voltage regulation isn't as stable.

I just have a Pro4 which is just decent VRMs. But if you have one of the shitty Gigabyte 3 phase that looks like 4 with crappy quality phases, I imagine I wouldn't get such a good undervolt.

>>60731397
Well, I have AB350M Pro4, however I guess I'll first update BIOS since it's P1.00 right now.

is there a way i can install win 10 on the ssd im getting through my laptop?

>>60731468
have the same one, the update does help a lot, finally could get my RAM to 2667.

some major BIOS update is supposed to be coming out soon aswell, so look out for it

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>>60731281
Could get much more performance by going RX 470/570 if you manage to get one when it gets in stock
Also please stop putting spaces in your link

>>60731512
Just plug it?
But you're gonna need an extra sata cable to plug both your hard drive & SSD

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Anyone have any idea what VRM this uses?
Looks like 3+3? Or 4+2? Anything else about them?

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Picked this up today from a scrap dealer for $10. Dell XPS 720.

Don't really know what to do with it. It was rained on many times so the internals are probably dead and rusted. My thought was since it is such a huge case I could gut it, and then install one of those huge dual socket SuperMicro Motherboards and make a dual Xeon system.

how about it?

Question is this normal for i7-7700k?

>4.2ghz
>idle 34-35 x 4 cores
>100% for an hour 60-61 max x 4 cores

>5.5 ghz
>idle = same as 4.2
>100% for 2 hours 80-81 x 4 cores

Cooler is h100i blowing outwards.

*inb4 housefires.

>>60731593
Do you mean 4.5GHz? 5.5GHz is enormous
Yeah it's not that rare to see such temperatures, the 7700k is shit at spreading the heat on the IHS

>>60731468
Oh. Why were you using launch BIOS?
Just do the internet update through the BIOS and make sure you don't turn it off or anything until it's fully done updating.

Most people can get 0.05V lower with the BIOS updates on all boards since launch.

>>60731281
>https://pcpartpicker com/list/p9PhNN
Drop the HDD and get a larger SSD.
A tiny SSD that can barely fit more than your OS is stupid.

>>60731593
If you mean 4.5GHz, yeah 80C sounds normal for a delidlake CPU.
I don't know what you were expecting. This is what people have warned about in every thread for months.

>>60731591
Yeah, that'd fit ETX or larger I think. Sounds fun.

>>60731055
Also forgot to ask. Are those temps ok for stock cooler and frequencies? From what I've seen it seems they are a bit higher, but it's also rather hot in my room right now (27.5°C).

>>60731055
What cooler

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>>60731055
What CPU is this, what is your temps so shi-

>Ryshit

Why do I even bother...

>>60731701
it's stock cooler

>>60731669
>A tiny SSD that can barely fit more than your OS is stupid.
I have my OS and every program that's not a game on my 90GB SSD, and I still have 44GB free.
120GB is a very workable amount.

>>60731567
Cherry picking again pajeet?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RwJq2R

The PC I'm gonna build in a couple days, what's your opinion? any recommendations about changing any part?

Hi there, going to build this PC in summer:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bsTmpb

Any suggestions?
What monitor should I pick? 200/300 range, I have literally no idea

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>>60731727
??????????????????????????
are there really people in here retarded enough to think that the $140 GTX 1050 TI does not get beat by the $170 RX 570?

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Why is aida64 considered stresstest? It barely puts any stress n your CPU at all.
Even CPU intense games put my package at 120w... Aida doesn't even hit 90w.

True stability comes from IntelBurnTest and prime95.

>>60731784
I meant the 580 beating the 1060

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>>60731778
btw. total newfag here, I know between potato and nothing

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>>60731802
Because it's a DX12 title and the 580 generally does quite better in D12 & Vulkan titles???
The point of the picture was to showcase performance difference between 1050ti & 570, why are you talking about these two GPUs even

>>60730842
what's a good MB, CPU, GPU combo for a computer that's sole purpose is Solidworks and AutoDesk 360?

>>60731808
whenever these newfags post these frog, wojak or facebook memes pictures i feel much inclined to help them

>>60731802
That's not what he was referring to.
But in the vast majority of games released in the past 2 years, including BF1, the RX580 handedly beats the 1060.
If you go back further and include older games like GTAV and such, then yeah the 1060 does better, but the RX580 is still better on average.

>>60731738
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RwJq2R
looks good for gaming, you know, for anything else i'd go with Ryzen.

>>60731778
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bsTmpb
If you can , you want to have higher frequecy RAM for ryzen. recommended around 3000MHz.
Also, have you done some research regarding the cooler? Depending on your OC, you might want to spend $10-$15 more for more performance

Is i7 7700 worst than a i5 7600k?

>>60730901
No, it won't.
If hardware broke from resets, there'd be no reset buttons on computers (it's the most retarded button anyone could put on a case though, the only purpose it serves to to accidentally restart your pc).

What >>60730964 says may be true, if your HDD is writing at the time, something could maybe go wrong.

>>60731853
I've already have the RAM, bought it long before knowing...
And no, not really, I've been looking up some videos, but I have been recommended to buy that one

>>60731827
>every game that nvidia works best on is shit minus the witcher
really activates my almonds

>>60731738
overkill PSU and getting 144hz at 1440p will be hard with a 1080, you should aim for a Ti
AIOs aren't that much cooler from air coolers but cost a lot more so you could also make some saving there

>>60731895
Witcher 3 doesn't even count because you can force tesselation in AMD drivers but not Nvidia, so Nvidia cards were all forced to run like shit in this game thanks to the default unchangeable x64 tesselation, whereas AMD users forced 8x / 16x and had much better performance

>>60731872
>intel
>2017
ryzen is better than both so its a moot point

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>>60731923
NOOOOOOOOOOOO

I bought an msi rx 480 gaming x 8gb about half a year ago, and I've used it very lightly. I don't think I've even played a PC game in the past 3 or so months. How much would I be able to sell it for? I'm seeing similar models go for up to $350 on eBay, so I'm thinking slightly lower than that.

Background:
I wanna buy a new pc with a r5 1600/ MATX B350 mobo but I'm having trouble getting a set of QVL 2x8 DDR4 3200 that doesn't make me want to gouge my eyes out because of its price.

Question:
Lower speed kits (like say 2800 or 3000) don't come with XMP profiles above their rated speed, right?

whata the point of fan controllers? dont they adjust automatically and cant they be done from software?

>>60731898
You are right about the psu its overkill on 850 I think Ill be fine with one of 650w.

The hydrocooler isnt alot more silent tho?Thats why I want it.

The 1080 is that underpowered for 144hz/1440p? the Ti models costs 200 250$ more and they are way out of my budget

>>60732042
3pin need controllers, or converters.

>>60731923
DELETE THIS

>>60731950
You might be able to sell it for a bit more if the cryptoniggers get desperate enough.

What temps do you R5 1600 / 1600x people run at?

Just curious how I am doing since I just put my build together today. Seems to hit around 50C on full load (100% on all cores).

Tfw I bought a 260 euros rx570 4 just to not wait another month and get a 580 for almost the same price..

>>60731950
Yep sounds about right.

>>60732061
dang, they really run at the same speed without a controller?

>>60732058
1080 will do 60fps+ at 1440p without dropping settings fine. But it will very, very, very rarely do 144fps on newer games. On Overwatch and maybe R6 Siege, sure, but that's about it.

>>60732026
bump for relevance..halp

If I'm just intending to stick to 1080p gaming, are we at a point where a current ~$1000 build will be able to handle all games in the near future (6 years or so) as long as 1080p is forced?

>>60732142
3pin run at max speed, unless you have a controller, a pwm converter (needs be a "box"), or a resistor.

What do you guys mini ITX builds for high end gaming? I like to have the compact looks of the smaller cases but worry of the air flow since the parts will be slightly clustered. Looking to get an MSI 1080 ti and i7 6700k.

Any mITX cases suitable for this build or should I go for the ATX form?

>>60732178
Probably not, no.
6 years is not really "near future"

>>60732026
i got a corsair vengance LED 2x8 GB 3000MHz kit for a fairly decent price and comes with XMP 2.0

>>60732265
are you running it on a ryzen? whats the highest speed profile your rams have built in?

>>60732291
yeah, im on a 1700 and AB350M Pro from AsRock and I can only make it work with 2667 so far. If it turn it up any more it loads at 2133, with XMP enabled. Updates are supposed to make ram frequency compatibility much better

>>60730954
>allkey
Why are the keys here cheaper than on Kinguin? 6 dollars? How can such be? Do these keys get deactivated quickly or what?

>>60732178
>1080p is forced?
What does that even mean, as if games are going to try and make you NOT use 1080p in the future?

Anyways, no, because CPU usage in games scales regardless of video resolution.

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>>60732325
i'm thinking about getting an msi, either bazooka or mortar. yea i'd hate to spend extra cash for a 3200 kit and not have it run at the proper speed..hence me asking.

could you do me a really big favor and check through CPU-Z if your ram sticks have any profile above the rated 3000mhz? pic related

>>60732058
Watercoolers have pumps (that are noisy) but also fans (generally two) just like air coolers. On top of that, those fans tend to be 120mm, which has to spin faster (and as such is louder) than 140mm fans if you want to move the same amount of air.

>>60731872
No, the 7700 has the same boost clock (4.2GHz) and on top of that has hyperthreading. Yeah, you can overclock the 7600k, but overall you'll still have less performance.

>>60731872
What kind of moronic question is that

>>60732239
>6700k
Or you could get 7700k and use the delid kit

>>60732551
Don't delid a new CPU.
It's somehting you do when the planned obsolescence TIM starts acting up.

>>60732599
>planned obsolescence TIM

That's not what happens, though. The application is the problem.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bnfRXH

How does this look? It's my first build, primarily being used for gaming, but also some processing in GIS software such as ArcMap, and some light audio editing.

I'm looking to be able to run most things at 1440p/60, or 1080p/120. Absolute pipe dream, being able to handle VR. The monitor is the most expensive part, but seems to be the only thing that has 1440p while also having a refresh rate that can do 120hz. Thoughts? Improvements? Unnecessary features?

>>60732623

Forgot to mention, dual monitor would also be nice, not anything too intensive, mostly just to shitpost on the side.

>>60732623
you're not going to be able to use that monitor with that video card, at it's max refresh rate that is.
why are you buying a wired and wireless network adapters? if you're buying memezen you need much faster RAM

guys what's the best compatible motherboard for ryzen 1700x?

>>60732623
Push up to a 1600 if you can. it's like $20 more for 50% more threads.

>>60732540
What kind of moronic board is this

>>60732650

Forgive me, I'm actually retarded. I've had to deal with laptops my whole life so I completely blanked on the fact that I wouldn't be moving this thing to a place without a LAN connection. Also forgot ethernet was included in the motherboard, wew.

>>60732657

Done, it was actually $20 more dollars, neat.

Currently with a 7700k and a GTX 1070 using a 1080p VGA screen 60hz (using an active VGA to DVI-D adapter). I get some screen tearing issues... or black line issues, in BF1 notably NO MATTER how I tweak the Nvidia options, whether I activate vsynch, no matter how I limit the FPS etc. Anyway my point is that it's most likely time for me to upgrade my monitor but I'm not sure with what.

Realistically I'm not sure I could afford a 1440p 144hz with IPS screens (which I believe is what I should aim for). But more than that I don't even have the rig to really profit from this as I'd have to buy a 1080 ti or something to reach such high FPS in 144hz. So I'm left with two choices :
1# 1080p 144hz, which most likely would get rid of any monitor issues I'm having as it could handle the refresh rates of mycomputer.
2# 1440p 60hz, which would really feel like an upgrade to me (going from 1080p). Also admittedly I'm not exactly looking for more than 60 FPS; sure it'd surely be nice but I'm barely playing competitively anymore, and when I do I have a casual approach about it anyway. The problem with this 1440p 60hz is I'm afraid of once again getting tearing issues...
There's also Gsync which to be honest am not even sure it'd help my case nor what that thing really does.

Please help, thanks for reading.

Alright /pcbg/. I need a motherboard.
Would prefer a minimalist design, that's the only requirement.

2800$ budget, and it's being used for gaming and general use. No recording, editing, or streaming.

Also open to suggestions on the build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qqvv7h

>>60732394
yeah, the XMP appears at 1499 (2998)
but the actual frequency is just 1330.6 (2667)

>>60732970
Asus Z270-A or Z270-E, but if you're spending that much money, if you wait til the 12th you'll be able to preorder Intel's new HEDT x299 lineup.

>>60732970
>$2800 for a gaming build
i give up

>>60733043
That and VR. What's wrong with that?

>>60733043
>sour grapes

>>60733043
Some of us don't work at McDonald's.

>>60732985
thanks man.

so your ram sticks only have the one XMP 3000mhz profile? huh.

>>60733074
more expensive doesn't mean better.

>>60733085
Not all expensive things are good, but some expensive things are good. Like PCs.

>>60732970
You dont need an i7 for 4K
Drop down to a ryzen 1600 and you can get a less cheap shit 4K or get a 1440p 144Hz monitor.

>>60733134
Alright. Thanks.

Hi guys, just got a quick open ended question.

I saw a 4k curved monitor the other day, and was considering buying it (it's well within my price range). What is the verdict on curved screens at 4k?

I ask because I've never had 4k, or even a curved screen, in any environment - be it home or at work.

>>60733141
Just to clarify, the 144Hz monitor is if you want to make use of an i7.
The phrasing of that sentence was suboptimal.

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Is it okay for psu to be placed like this?

>>60733156
Oh it's fine, I wasn't going to do that anyway. That was the cheapest 4K Monitor that I could find in my budget.

>>60733156
Also, what 4K Monitor would you suggest?

>>60733166
Yes, it's preferably if the computer is on carpet, or the intake at the bottom is otherwise blocked.
If it does have good access to air it's better to just mount it face down.

>>60733166
if your case has a dust filter beneath the psu space, put the psu in fan down

>>60733192
Thanks anon

>>60733203
It does, Thank you.

>>60733181
A Dell P2715Q is a really good all rounder for the the kind of price range you'd be looking at but if you want to push it a bit further a BenQ BL3201PH is really excellent for productivity mainly but good with games too and an Acer XB271HK is the best for games

>>60733266
Well I haven't got a motherboard yet so it needs to be a little under my budget. I was looking at the Asus PB287Q and that puts me at exactly 2700, leaving 100 for the Mobo, so I think I'm gonna go for that.

>>60733284
Yeah that's fine.
It's TN but that's not so bad a thing anymore and that particular TN is better than usual.

>>60732129
35-40° idle at stock with CnQ, 45-50° in BIOS. Even taking into account the fact that the case is sitting on carpet and the ambient temperature is ~30°, it still seems kinda high.

What's the lowest profile cooler out right now for any of the 65w Ryzens? Was gonna go with a i5-7500 and a TT Engine 27 due to space, but would like to at least give AMD a shot and build something similar based on Ryzen and compare the two.

>>60732655
the fuck does that even mean

>>60732950
Get a 1440p IPS that's *not* 144hz? A non-gsync one. Just like a 75-85hz one.

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Got a GTX 970 a long time ago and recently noticed a lot of games I thought I'd be running at 60fps were stuttering, with high fps only in certain spots or when I'm not looking at a lot of stuff all at once. I heard from here that means my CPU can't keep up with my GPU or something. My question is whether getting a Ryzen would really boost my performance as much as I hear it would. I got this processor a really long time ago when my uncle had a ton of spare parts, but I wanna make sure it's actually orders of magnitude worse than a Ryzen or i7 before I actually jump the gun and pay for one.

>>60733452
What games? The 970 has problems in a good deal of newer games, notably with shadows turned up.
But yes, you might be bottlenecked. My i5-2500k was often bottlenecking my 7970 that came out the same year as it in newer games and just from having more stuff running in the background.

>>60733469
There's no way a 2500K would bottleneck that video card.
Did you underclock your 2500K or something?

>>60733570
>>60733570
>There's no way a 2500K would bottleneck that video card
there is. all it takes is a cpu bound game. maybe that's where he's drawing his conclusions from? MWO and GW2 are two good examples

>>60733451
>Get a 1440p IPS that's *not* 144hz? A non-gsync one. Just like a 75-85hz one.
How can I be sure I wouldn't run intro screen tearing or whatever issues though?

I just want to find a monitor that just works with what I have and lasts me a good while.

>>60733628
Not even with that, unless you mean shit like cinebench... I have some bad news for you though, anon, that's a benchmark, it's not a game.
In normal games, you won't feel the bottleneck until gtx 1080. Even in CPU intensive games, there'll be enough graphics settings to cause a GPU bottlneck with such a weak card.

>>60733649
>cinebench... I have some bad news for you though, anon, that's a benchmark
Cinebench is based on the productivity software Cinema4D, you brainless fucking retard

>>60733664
also sorry for being mean

>>60733664
>productivity software Cinema4D
That's still not a game, you brainless fucking retard.

>>60733710
This isn't /v/, and claiming Cinebench is just a worthless synthetic is pretty idiotic and i see it thrown around a lot these days

>>60733715
Holy shit, you really belong in a mental institution.

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>>60733729

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Is this a decent enough build to run newer games at OK settings? Also quick question, the case I picked has an Evo-685 power supply, does that mean I dont have to buy seperate PSU?
Prices are in AUD btw

How important is wire management?

Should I sell my rx 480 since they're going for good prices with the mining boom? I bought my 8gb 480 for $240 and used ones of the same model are selling on ebay for upwards of $300. Thinking of maybe upgrading to a 1070 or maybe vega

>>60733813
>extreme budget parts
>480gb ssd

nice budgeting skills

the ssd is the most expensive part of your entire build

what are you doing

>>60733843
definitely, if you can handle the inconvenience of no gpu

>>60733840
helps airflow and most importantly adding or removing components from your PC becomes much, much easier.

>>60733840
>I just bought a new set of components that I saw on pcmasterrace to build my first computer game console and I'm both stupid and lazy, how much can I get away with?

>>60733840
It slightly helps airflow, but it's more about organization and aesthetics.
The value of it is mostly subjective. If you don't care much about a messy case, unless you are looking to squeeze the last 0.5 degree out of your overclock, it's not important.

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My current PC is very slow.

Can /pcbg/ recommend me a build?

A PC for WebDev
800 or less
Not USA
Text editor, browsers, gimp, inkscape
No gaems in this one, but it has to run WebGL smoothly

Best specs within that range
Upgradable
It has to run ff and chrome at the same time
plus some other shit

>>60734003
ryzen

>>60734018

What?

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>>60734003
we don't make people's builds here
we just recommend parts and rate already existing builds

>>60733840
It can be hard with some cases especially with a non-modular PSU and tons of HDDs + pci cards

I have 2 gpus 1 sound card 1 raid card and 8 HDDs also a noctua NH-D15-SE so i basically have zero room in my pc to plug things in without pulling things out cable management helps to an extent but as long as your cables are out of the way for airflow and not in the way of plugs then it doesn't matter if you can see them.

>>60734003
logicalincrements.com

>>60734087
Is a bad website
Pumping more money in a build doesn't mean it will make it better, it can at times means it will make it worse.
And the tiers of logicalincrements are pretty bad.

>>60731309
>Vegas will sell out within the first 3 hours
but this isn't so bad, think of all the 290s and 390s and other cards that are suddenly widely available when VEGA is released.

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What's the general consensus on userbenchmark? Is it trustworthy?

>>60733948
more like
>I just bought a new set of components that I saw on pcmasterrace to build my computer game console and i want to make sure i do it right the first time

>>60733570
No. Stock clocks.
2500k was good for its time, but now days it's on average a little worse than the i3-7350k.

With stuff in the background using 10-15% CPU, that was enough to cause stutters often.
I couldn't even do something like watch twitch at decent quality and game at the same time. It was not a good CPU for multi-monitor use

>>60734141
>290s and 390s suddenly available used. for $300 sold to miners

>>60734281
How is it not common knowledge that that site is a shill scam?
It should be blatantly obvious when you simply look at the site and see that they use arbitrary numbers without detailing their methodology anywhere.

>>60734307
What's a good site for directly comparing CPUs and GPUs? Or are all of them infested with shills?

>>60734307
>without detailing their methodology anywhere.

So what you really mean is that you saw it wasn't anti-Intel propaganda and that it showed that Intel was still better than poojeet AMD turds, and dismissed the site before even looking at it?

- CPU tests include: integer, floating and string.
- GPU tests include: six 3D game simulations.
- Drive tests include: read, write and mixed IO.
- Checks include: 4k Align, NCQ, TRIM, SATA, USB & S.M.A.R.T.
- RAM tests include: single/multi core bandwidth and latency.

>>60734404
and yet it completely fails at evaluating in-game & productivity performances, as opposed to game & productivity software benchmarks
Maybe it's time to stop shitposting, anon? Synthethic always have been awful when comparing hardware.

>>60734417
>goal posts move again

Except, it's actually more generous to AMD turds than it should be, rating their gaming performance as only 10% less when in practice it's more.

>>60734307
i remember 3 years ago when i bought my 290 for 160 on ebay out of a mining farm. still chugging along strong.

>>60734349
The best strategy is to compare several sites, but honestly most reviews are pretty shallow and are often flawed. I'm not aware of any sites that are guaranteed to give you an objective and accurate comparison all of the time.

Here's a recent video I watched that gives you a taste of how both CPU and GPU benchmarks / reviews can be misguided and misleading: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tfTZjugDeg

I'm happy with my list except for one thing. Can someone fix the RAM on this? I keep getting told it needs to be faster.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/

>>60734484
that's not your list, that'll just take us to OUR list. use the permalink

>>60734434
I don't know why you feel emotions towards microtransistors companies.
Partaking in brand wars is really pitiful.

>>60734508
>Goal posts move again

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a meme or actually quiet?

>>60734518
>implying they were moved
Intel Shill spotted

>>60734526

quieter than water

>>60734518
I don't intend to bother arguing with any of your claims because you're shown that you are emotionally invested in this so you'll probably resort to shitflinging as you already have, Ad hominems and most likely dismiss anything we tell you as shitposting. It would be complete a waste of time.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/23W6Z8

Going to use my old graphics card and hard drive, but this new cpu will operate 5x faster than my old amd 2.6ghz dual-core.

This also has 2x the memory and is operating a couple gigahertz faster.

Any suggestions or comments?

>>60734603
What's the intended usage?
Looks good for a budget build, might wanna get 2x4GB unless you intend to upgrade to 12 / 16GB in the future

>>60734620
csgo, web browse, occasional photoshop and vegas use. This should serve all of these well.

I don't want to spend over $50 on ram, dual-channel or not.

>>60734633
both photoshop & vegas make great use of dual channel though, and 2x4 isn't that much more expensive

>>60734656
so how about this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6WKMYr

>>60734675
Much better.
Keep in mind that dual-channel theoritically double the memory bandwidth, and both photoshop & vegas (and most alike productivity software) will make use of RAM very very heavily, so doubling the memory bandwidth does have a very noticeable effect for such software

>>60734526
>>60734552
i have a 212 evo and was considering switching since its only a bit more to fget the cooler than just the heatsink

Hey guys, I can get a 3930k for 100 dollars, should I get it?

>>60734707
Thanks for the advice, if I were to pair a card with it; what do you think about the GT 1030?

>>60734726
if you can find a cheap mobo for it then yeah it's pretty good

>>60734737
Alright, time to browse ebay.

>>60734731
It's not a very cost efficient GPU but it should speed up photoshop & vegas a lot if you have GPU acceleration enabled because the iGPU of the G4560 is pretty bad at that

>>60734780
Ok, I may just stick with my old one.

What do you think about fanless heatsinks?
Could I get a cooler master hyper 212 evo and run it with just the heatsink? I think having a single fan computer would be neat.

>>60734828
It'd work indeed, and besides the g4560 doesn't heat that much, but you could set up a custom fan curve in the bios to make the fan spin very very slow which would still be completely quiet yet cool much better.
But yeah, you can straight up remove the fan if you want.

>>60734848
Alright, thanks a ton for all the information

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will this play hearthstone at 30-60 fps, medium settings?

>>60734404
>to to userbenchmark and compare i3-2100 to i7-7700
>the 7700 is only 107% better ???

The site only fucking counts the first 3 threads. It's extremely dubious.
You know an i7-7700 is more like 3-5x the performance of the i3-2100, not barely over 2x. Go fuck yourself, dumb shill.

>>60734828
If you aren't using the iGPU on the G4560, fanless heatsink should be fine.
Though even if you use the iGPU, a big one like Le Grande Macho would still work well.

>>60733840
Important if you want your case to even close.

I was memed into buying a Fractale one and I can't even close both panels because of the cables. If I had known I'd have bought a bigger one.

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>>60734871
no, get ryzen

>>60734871
those graphics cards are robbery, go with 1080 ti's instead.

>>60734874
107% makes perfect sense, are you dumb? It's twice the cores, twice the threads, and 500mhz faster. IPC between Kaby Lake and Sandy Bridge isn't that different, literally everyone knows this. Computers don't scale linearly either.

>>60734891
I'm planning to get R5 1600(x) with an RX 580, I don't know which mobo and which ram to pick but would mostly used for casual gaming, shitposting, light video editing and some illustration.

>>60734917
You need to get two 4GB sticks of the cheapest DDR4-2133 or 2400 that's on sale.

You should also get any cheap micro atx motherboard.

>>60734945
Thanks.

>>60734495
Fuck, I did it again? Here's permalink.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/HQdxKZ

>>60735061
get faster ram. 2666 Mhz or better
why a 1600X over a 1600? 1600 has almost ad much performance, can be overclocked to give the same performance and comes with a decent cooler that can handle a moderate overclock

>>60735061
>>60735077

I disagree wholeheartedly that you should be spending about $110 for 16gb ram.

Those extra 10 frames in one or two games isn't worth the extra $40-50.

>>60735077
I'm a pleb and it's babby's first build so I'm gonna hold off on overclocking until I know more about what I'm doing.

>>60735107
What RAM would you use and why, bud?

>>60735196
>I'm a pleb and it's babby's first build so I'm gonna hold off on overclocking until I know more about what I'm doing.
fair enough.
Ryzen LOVES fast ram due to how it's built. Tthere's 2 CCX complexes, eaxh comtaining half the cores. If a core from CCX 1 wants to communicate with a core from CCX2, it has to use the link AMD calls the Infinity fabric. The Infinity fabric runs at the speed of the ram, so the faster the ram, the faster the communication, which drastically improves performance.

>>60735244
fucking laptop. I can't type tonight.

Guys, I know you idiots aren't going to believe me or call me a pajeet or AMD shill. But buy up the RX580 when it comes out IF you want it. In a few weeks it will be sold out everywhere and the only way you can get them is through inflated sellers on ebay. Don't ask me how I know this, just screen cap this so I can say I told you so.

>>60735307
That is not new news. Everyone who frequents this thread already knows this.

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>>60735307
Tell me more man...

I'm really struggling to fit both an SSD and enough storage space into my build budget, is running my operating system off an SSD really worth the extra price?
How noticeable would the performance difference be if I only used a 2.5" HDD for everything

>>60735565
>is running my operating system off an SSD really worth the extra price?
Yes.
>How noticeable would the performance difference be if I only used a 2.5" HDD for everything
A lot.

Buy an SSD. Then go scrape an HDD from somewhere.

I have $800 to spend on a new PC. Trying to upgrade from an Alienware X51 (got it when I was 12, 19 now).

Was looking at the Ryzen 1500x and an RX480 for the gpu. What would /pcbg/ suggest? Not playing the biggest and baddest games at 4k 288Hz or any of that bullshit, but I do want to power a 34" ultrawide and not have to worry about temps too much.

>>60735683
For 1080p gaming a 1500x + RX580 is indeed great. Upping to a 1600 is even better though.
Temps for both are pretty good, though the GTX 1060 6GB is better than the 580 on that point.

So what gpu should one get now that the rx580 is sold out everywhere?

>>60735717
wait for stock to come back up or go GTX 1060 6GB, those cards are pretty much the same on average in terms of performance

>>60735717
1060 or 1070 if you can get one for cheap.

>>60735699
Would a 580 fit on this budget? Haven't checked prices in a while.

>>60735729
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xTfGzM
definitely

>>60730939
It's a bad idea to buy used storage in general. Don't buy used wear parts.

>>60735721
>>60735722
Do nvidia cards still have driver problems with ryzen?

>>60735796
>do Nvidia cards still have problems with any branded CPU that has 6 or more cores
Yes. Pretty rare to see it though.

>>60735772
Oh fuck yeah, dude.

Made my night. Thanks my man.

>>60735802
Well shit, can't get an rx and can't go for an 1060. Do I just wait at this point? Whats the closest thing to these cards?

What made FX so bad?

It's not uncommon to still see old i5 and i7 CPUs still quite decent as of today, especially when overclocked, so why are FXs already considered dead as of today even though they carry a good amount of cores/threads and are clocked quite decently? Whenever I see someone talking about their FX it's so they can upgrade to Ryzen or whatnot.

Hey /pcbg/, what's a good poorfag GPU to go along with an i3-6100? Exclusively for 1080p gaming.

>>60735930
The poorfag GPU at the moment would be a GTX 1050ti. Stepping any lower really isn't recommended.
If you haven't already bought the i3, then you should get a cheaper g4560 instead.

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>trying to pick Ryzen mobo
>AMD says the B350 chipset can support 4 SATA 3 devices
>PCpartpicker says a few B350s can support 6
I feel like I should trust AMD here, but I also don't want to spend $50 extra on an X370 if I don't have to.

>>60736013
chipset specs are minimum specs, meaning every single board at least has it
But seeing b350 with SLI, crossfire or 6 satas is perfectly possible
Both the Asus Prime b350m-a and b350 plus have 6 sata.

It's completely safe to use a splitter on a mobo fan 4 pin so I can use two, right? What about two so I can have four fans with only two slots?

>>60736049
Yes, it's perfectly safe

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>>60736041
Cool, thanks anon.

>>60736054
Thanks. Another stupid question, but top mounted fans should be outtake right? If I have two outtake on the top and a cpu cooler outtake at the back how many intake should I have at the front?

>>60736081
>but top mounted fans should be outtake right?
it helps. Remember physics. Heat rises.

>People in this thread still recommending 580 when it will be out of stock will end of July
Lmao

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I have a PC issue, it will not boot. The heatsink fan spins for about 3 seconds then goes off, with no reaction from anything else. I've tried two different PSU's nothing, I've tried a new mobo since the one before had no reaction at all and nothing. I've tried RAM positions and processor reseating and nothing. I've even taken out the standoffs and put them back in to no avail. I'm completely out of ideas now.

>>60736100
>Heat rises
No. Hotter air rises due to it's lower density. Heat can be radiated or conducted in all directions, this popular phrase only applies to convection.

>>60736100
>>60736188
So basically do I want more air coming in or leaving?

>>60736178
considering all the things you've tried i doubt we can help much
could you take a picture of the build at least?

>>60736178
Remember the minimal equipment to POST are RAM, CPU, Mobo and PSU. So it is down to RAM and CPU.

Make sure your RAM is compatibility with your mobo. Try using one stick at a time if you are using dual channel. Otherwise, CPU is busted and time to RAM.

>>60736210
his problem is not even posting but the fact that it suddenly shuts off after 3 seconds
so he can remove both RAM & CPU

>>60731591
That's a really cool case. Always remember wanting one looking at the old Dell ads back in the day. Dammm this is pre Alienware acquisition too

>>60736197
More air coming in than leaving reduces airflow as more air is stuck in your casing but the positive pressure means more dust is kept out of your case as air seeks to escape from any possible opening thus pushing air out.

More air leaving than coming in improves airflow and keeps thing cooler. But the negative pressure means that air is drawn in from any possible opening which means dust in your casing builds up faster.

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>>60736142
>not waitfagging
t. 290X user
V-Vega soon...

>>60736239
Ex 290x user here as well.
Current 1080ti user. Just make the jump.

>>60736221
What I mean is you need CPU, RAM, PSU and Mobo to POST. He is not posting so he should reduce his build down to this 4 hardware and then troubleshoot. Given he has tried a new Mobo and PSU, that leaves RAM and CPU as the problem issue provided the POST issues don't resolve when he removes the other hardware.

>>60736203

I guess so, but what would that do?

>>60736221
It's two 4 GB one's that I've tried in all possible combinations with the same result.

>>60736268
Yeah, I have a dread it may be the CPU now, but I've already burned so much money on ifs and maybes. I wish there were a way to test this one on some other device.

Fucking hell, I need this fixed before E3, I'm already likely going to miss the entire OW event.

should I get R5 1600 or 1600X cause both are 20$ off on Amazon right now?

>>60736295
Is the socket compatibility?

>>60736301
1600+included spire is the way to go if you are comfortable with a bit of overclocking.

>>60736304

Yes, I triple checked before ordering the new board. Besides, if it weren't compatible, I'd get no reaction from the heatsink fan right?

>>60736366
Remove all components except PSU, RAM, CPU and mobo.
Try to POST
You already know the PSU and Mobo isn't the problem so troubleshoot with the RAM first. Try other sticks. Try single stick. Try different seats.
If that still fails, RMA the CPU.
Good luck anon.

Of course make sure everything is properly powered and connected.

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Woah

>>60734915
It's over 30% higher ipc, and pver 40% higher clock, fucking RETARD.
3.1GHz vs 4.2-4.5GHz.

Even if it was the same clock speed, DDR4 memory and the higher IPC would make it more than just 7% higher performance per core.

God you're fucking dumb. Please do us all a favor and kill yourself.

>>60736409

So basically try without the graphics card right? I've done that. I don't think I can RMA the CPU though it's twoish years old and the box got tossed (against my knowledge) whenever ago. Guess I'll browse craigslist or something.

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>>60734874
>everyone on the internet (that I don't agree with) is a shill for (entity I don't like)
I'm really tired of this shit & how it's infused the culture around here.
Literally how to look, talk, think like a child 101.
Please, stop.

Is there any point getting a 4GB version of the RX 560? I was under the impression that those lower end cards just didn't have the memory bandwidth for anything more than 2GB to be actually worthwhile.

DeepCool Dukase V3 (incl. 1 fan) or Spec 03 Blue (incl. 2 fan)

Is there any way to get quality speakers if you fucked up and only have one green onboard audio jack on your rig? I don't have the space to add a soundcard to get a full range of surround sound hookups, so what can I possibly use in that single audio jack to output decent sound when watching a move from across the room?

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>>60736583
>I don't have the space to add a soundcard
it's messy but possible

>>60736409

Oh also, if it turns out a busted cpu was the culprit, will I have to reinstall my OS?

Can someone redpill me on buying used graphics cards. I was planning on getting a 580 but with the prices being ridiculous I was looking at used 980tis. You can get them around 275, besides no warrant is there a reason I should be afraid of them?

>>60736649
Depends. Is your OS OEM? if you change too much hardware at one time Windows will invalid your license. You won't need to reinstall anything, just depends if your window license remains valid or not.

>>60736665
Buying used graphic card is stupid.
Buying used AMD graphic is downright retarded cause all of them would have been OC the shit out of for mining.

>>60736703

OEM?

It's a "borrowed" Win7.

>>60736711
Borrowed as in?
http://smallbusiness.chron.com/windows-7-oem-mean-72080.html

>>60736708
Yeah I would never buy an AMD card used. Are b-stock deals the way to go then?

>>60736734
Get first hand if you can afford to.
Get b-stocks if there are warranty.

>>60736728

Maybe? It's been awhile so I forget, a friend of mine had me download 7 on a usb then used some program to activate it,

>>60736755
Oh. Pirated copy then. Yeah. It should be no issue. You might have to use the program and reactivate it again.

Any downside to using filters like this? Should I put these so they filter air coming into or going out of the intake fan?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4PCS-Cuttable-Black-PVC-PC-Fan-Dust-Filter-Dustproof-Case-Computer-Mesh-120mm-HW-/222117457260

>>60736843
As with all filters, they lower pressure, so they limited the amount of air going in. No to filter output fans. Just the intakes one.

>>60736843
the air coming in to prevent dust buildups on the fan

>>60736473
shut up, dumb shill

>>60736857
>>60736858
Got it, thanks.

>>60736883
you take that bakc

>>60734526
For the price, it's a meme.
An extra 20-30 will get you an AIO that performs damn near the same.
Really go for a cheaper air cooler, that's basically the same. Or pay a bit more for something that has a lot more value added.

>>60734526
>>60734718
>>60736902
https://www.amazon.com/Scythe-SCKTT-1000-Cooling-Motherboard/dp/B00JZCHSOK

New best for sure

I am using a Pentium G4560 with an RX 460.

What is the thing I should upgrade first? I was thinking of getting an RX 580. Will this create a bottleneck?

My monitor limits me to 60fps.

>>60736902
>for $20-30 you can get a product that performs the same =)
thank you for your input i guess

>>60736933
>What is the thing I should upgrade first?
The CPU. dual cores are going the way of the dodo

>>60736948

Go for a 1600?

I don't mind having to get a new board.

I'm looking to get an SSD soon. Any point in going with a 960 over an 850?

>>60734526
There are ones that are just as quiet and cool just as well like the Be Quiet Dark Rock TF for like $30 less.

The coolers that have the split heatsink with a fan between them are all just like psuedo-sciencey snake oil shit. One single high pressure fan in front of it is best.

>>60736933
>>60736982
Waiting for an i5-7600 or i7-7700 to go on sale for really cheap, like $150 and $225 respectively, is your best bet.
But a 1600 plus new board is likely better performance for your money. Especially considering that you can probably sell the G4560+B250(I'm guessing) board for $50-$75ish I'd imagine and with good Ryzen boards and the 1600 being so cheap.

>>60736987
read the OP

>>60736933
upgrade GPU first, you won't get much if any performance difference in games by upgrading the CPU considering how low end your 460 is.

How much of a improvement will I see if I buy a 980TI?

Current pc:
3570k + 670

In your opinion is there any reason to upgrade? I play games at 1080p

>>60737033
You can finally play trashy overbudget unoptimized AAA garbage at high settings + downsampling from 4k.

>>60737040
Yay

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Just moved mom off her dell c2d to a g4560/ itx. what can I do with an e8400/4gb ddr2 800? I have an old 550ti and 450w psu, you think it can run minecraft and csgo for the kids?

>>60736935
2c of plastic, $2 of zinc coated copper, and a mobile phone vibrator motor. Formed with stolen patents for $80+
Or
A water cooler radiator, water pump, hosing, and software for $100
Both systems are within 1-2c and a few DB of each other.

That's the point I am making.

But there's are also air coolers for $40 that are damn near the same as noctua.

>>60737094
>you think it can run minecraft and csgo for the kids?
No.

It can play stuff like Unreal and Half-Life (pre-steam), though.

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So i'm looking into replacing my gtx 780 ti and are looking into the gtx 1080 ti atm. I have heard that the asus rog cards are good and noticed that there is a small price difference between basically the same card. The strongest one costs 1026.94 $ and the only difference that i noticed is that it got 1569/1683 MHz compared to the other that got 1493/1607MHz for 1016.19 $.
Is the extra MHz's even worth it ?
There is also a demo card on the site that i'm buying from that got the reduced price of 886.20 $. This one is the same as the one that costs 1026.94 $ from above. ^
But this one is a card that normally have been sent back by a consumer. Maybe it got a scratch from a screwdriver, maybe it's slightly weard down, maybe it is missing a few addon cables that isn't required to run the card as normal.

What do you guys think? What should i go for ?

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>>60737143
Why does it cost $1000+ for a 1080ti? Do you live in australia?
At your place i'd get the $886 card because i'm a very naïve person that believes nothing can go wrong with it
What's the model of the one that cost $1026 and what's the one of the $1016 one?

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>>60737177
It's an Asus GeForce GTX 1080 Ti ROG Strix Gaming.
Here is a link to the site im buying from : https://www.komplett.no/product/917194/datautstyr/pc-komponenter/skjermkort/pci-express/asus-geforce-gtx-1080ti-rog-strix-gaming#

I'm norwegian and it would costs me extra if i ordered from amazon or something so i wouldn't really be able to save money that way either. It is what it is.
Buying t he one for 886$ is what i'm thinking as well.

>>60737109
stop fucking with me man.

>>60737229
what? I'm not. Minecraft and CSGO won't run on that ancient shit

do I need the stuff you put on a cpu to cool it down when buying a amd cpu?

>>60737247
what?
do you mean thermal paste? or the cooler?
every cooler needs thermal paste and every CPU needs a cooler
thermal paste might be pre-applied on coolers at time

>>60737253
thermal paste yea. I want to buy a ryzen 1600 and I don't know if I need the thermal paste.

How do I use Asrock bios network update? Do I need to set it up or will it do everything automatically?

>>60737237
I did a little legwork and recommended specs for vanilla minecraft are a bentium 4, 1gb ram and a geforce 8600. this is at least twice as strong as that

>>60737257
The stock cooler has thermal paste pre-applied

>>60737268
alright thanks

>>60737265
yeah it will run. i bet this guy >>60737237 was in primary school when the e8400 came out.

expect to drop settings to low though and get an fps config. also with minecraft forget about modpacks and it will still be laggy when loading new chunks n shit.

>>60736416
>nothing added to the thread
>just an image of a product
>and a upboaty comment
Fuck off noctua shill.

NEW THREAD
BUMP LIMIT REACHED
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>>60737537
>>60737537

>>60737307
as long as it plays ~30fps on 720p low, the family youngins are 7 and 9. just want something we don't care about getting kid grimed/broken.

>>60737542
please lurk more and stop fucking creating threads two hours before they die

>>60737642
Fuck off dickhead. Was page 5. After that point people start making Rate my pc build threads, and asking if I did good on X.

>>60737717
You have no clue what you are talking about, just check out the comments that were posted in the last thread after the new thread got linked. Multiple anons got valuable advices because people bothered to stay in there until the end
You're spamming the board by creating the thread this early, why the hell would you be in such a rush
This isn't /vg/, if other /g/ generals can and do wait until page 10 to create threads, then so should you

>>60737735
You're also forgetting the issue we've been having with a shill OP.
Yes, conversations do go on past bump. That's fine. But having a thread to carry over to is good for cont- discussions.
There's also people that will hesitate posting in a 'full' thread. Due to potentially being a dead thread.
Remember, we're dealing with consumers. Not regulars to this board.

/g/ is also of a pace that allows a mid fall new thread to be generated without issue.
If you care so much about this board. Please go on crusade against the shitposters that run wild due to lack of moderation.

Sis wants me to build her a PC for Revit 2017. Cheapest possible build?

>>60732132
Tfw I bought a 120 euros r9 290 with the same power as 570