/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>60718634
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jgw83F
Is this a good mid-range gaming build for 1440p? My budget is about $1k.

Found a 1440p 144hz acer monitor for $400. Is the a meme monitor or worth it.

How long will it take for AND cards to sell out when Vega comes? Will Nvidia cards pretty much drop in price or have they already settled

>>60718996
We don't even know what monitor it is

>>60719074
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XF270HU-27-inch-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B0173PEX34

>>60718943
Yes, you can go with a cheaper SSD. After a certain speed you're limited by the CPU being able to unpack data.

The tempered glass has been known to randomly explode.
Would not advise if you have kids, or mates that throw shit around when they're over.

Okay, so I'm completely clueless as to what crypto currency is. I kinda understand that it involves exchanging digital currency in some way. But what does any of that have to do with the rx 570 and 580 graphics card? Are they able to use it for the process somehow?

>>60719704
best bang for buck in algorithm autism.

>>60719704
Normally you would get an ASIC miner. But some currency have figured how to make GPU's preferred.
Was meant to bring back mining to the privet consumer. But business has more money.

>>60718943
Could save a lot of money on SSD (~$30) and some on the PSU but yeah it's a great build

Okay, so looking to make a gaming pc, don't care about HD graphics but enough to at least play 60 fps on games. Is this build viable? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fz8DVY

>>60720152
You don't need the cooler
A GTX 1050ti won't get 60FPS without dropping settings by the way
16GB is pretty unneeded for budget builds, you can drop to 4+4GB or 8 + 4GB

>>60719096
You can get a better MG279Q for $400 on sale pretty often.

>>60720152
Yes. I'd suggest a 550W PSU if in budget so it can carry over to future builds.

A Kingston UV400 SSD. 240gb+ (ones in the matted aluminum case. The red and black plastic are trash)
It'll make a huge difference in load and boot times.

You can probably get cheaper RAM to put towards the SSD, because that's how much a difference that will make to your system.

>>60720176
>>60720152
>A GTX 1050ti won't get 60FPS without dropping settings by the way
From ultra to high, and anti aliasing down should be enough. Which is a negligible difference. And a few extra tweaks if you're that set on a solid 60fps.

>>60720183
The MG279Q has more QC issues than the Acer. Just google and you will notice more people complaining about BLB than for Acer. I don't know if they fixed it or not. And there isn't much difference between the two aside from the OSD and the base.

>>60720176
>>60720191
>>60720221
Thanks guys, I'll take a look at the 550W PSU and the UV400 and get cheaper ram.

>>60720269
>and the UV400
Just mind that was a suggestion of a cheep SSD that performs well. Up to you what you get. It's pretty hard to get one that doesn't do well. Apart from the red and black ones from Kingston, that are barely better than a HDD.

>>60720241
That's true. But the MG279Q is better when it doesn't have a messed up backlight or dead pixels, issues you can return to the seller for.

>>60720221
Depends on the game. On deferred rendering games it can still suffer without dropping some settings to medium.

>>60720152
Why don't you just try using the iGPU to start with then upgrade the GPU when you really feel you have to?
That's not a bad price for a 1050Ti, but it'd be even cheaper when Volta comes out.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gdMn4C

can someone look over my list? GPU is from a friend for 100.Only missing a monitor if anyone can recommend a cheap one that can do 60fps+1080p from amazon.de

>>60720341
Why is the MG279Q better?
I was deciding between the PG279Q and Acer XF271HU so I don't know the difference between MG279Q and XF271 but for the G-sync series, my research showed that the two were incredibly similar except the XF271 has dropped about 200 dollars in price vs PG279Q so I opted for the former and because it had less QC issues so I didn't have to play RMA lottery.

>>60720361
Get Ryzen 1600 instead.
Get dual channel ram over 1 single ram.
Try squeeze in an SSD, that is the single most noticable difference in a PC performance vs a build with no SSD.

>>60720361
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gdMn4C
>4 threads
>1 DIMM
>unlocked CPU on a locked board
it's shit. read the OP

>>60720373
MG279Q is the exact same as the PG279Q except Freesync instead of Gsync.

>>60720381
>>60720361
Also the 1600 comes with a great stock cooler, doesn't look like shit. And is good for an overclock to 4Ghz.

>>60720361
Replace 4 core 4 threads i5 to lower priced 6 cores 12 threads r5 1600 which doesn't need a cooler
unless you enjoy 90% CPU usage while gaming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

>>60720382
>MG279Q is the exact same as the PG279Q except Freesync instead of Gsync.
Then I would say there is no difference between MG279Q vs XF270HU. I did a lot of research and reading before I bought my monitor. All online resources led me to believe the difference is minimal between the two and the Asus monitors have more QC issues.

>>60720382
>>60720398
>>60720395
thanks you convinced me,do i need to switch the motherboard too now as well since I switched the cpu?

>>60720409
>do i need to switch the motherboard too now as well since I switched the cpu?
yes, different socket so different motherboard

>>60720409
Yes, you need an AM4 motherboard.
Anything with a VRM heatsink should suffice. That's the bit between the CPU socket and the rear usb ports.

>>6071988
>>60719704
Ive just recently gotten into mining crypto currency.
>ASIC = Bitcoin mining
>GPU/CPU = Altcoin mining (anything other than BTC)

>>60720409
Yes. You need an AM4 socket motherboard now. We heavily recommend a B350 chipset board since it supports overclocking, but not SLI or Xfire making it great for the average gamer.

>>60720465
Not supporting something, is not a feature.
>>60720409
But yes. You only need to jump up a teir if you have a need for multable GPU's in SLI/crossfire.

>>60720395
You'll only get 4GHz on the stock cooler if you're lucky, your room is cool, or you just don't care much about thermals.

If you want to keep under 65C, you need a different cooler. Most seem to hit 3.75-3.85GHz on the stock cooler and 1.275-1.325V.
For a stock cooler it's VERY good. It's quiet and shit. But it only works so well. It's a 95W TDP cooler.

>>60720409
Yes. You need a B350 board and you should get 2 DIMMs of 2666-3200MHz RAM.

>>60720460
>Ive just recently gotten into mining crypto currency
You're at least five years too late to the game.

>>60720524
why make ignorant statements?

>>60720504
>>60720482
>>60720465
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VHsjkT only need to switch out my ram now right?

so the ryzen 1600 comes with a cpu cooler,is more powerful,is cheaper and also doesnt have that gay BIOS motherboard issue when compared to the i5 7600.What is the catch then?

>>60720548
You're fairly right now.
Can go for 16gb RAM. but if your budget is tight, you can get another of that same stick later.
I'd recommend a SSD. Can get one later, but that's double handling to reinstall the OS and games to it.
>>60720191
>>A Kingston UV400 SSD. 240gb+ (ones in the matted aluminum case. The red and black plastic are trash)
>It'll make a huge difference in load and boot times.

>>60720548
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zKbctJ
fixed
I changed the GPU because I wasn't sure why you'd want previous generation stuff when buying new parts. alternatively, change the RX580 I put there for a GTX 1070.

>>60720593
>What is the catch then?
memory support is a bit wonky atm, and the fact Ryzen NEEDS fast ram.

>>60720593
>What is the catch then?
Your friends might try to meme you.

>>60720593
Ryzen needs good RAM.
In game performance can be sometimes wonky. Emulation is untested.

>>60720593
You don't pay reparations to Israel when buying the 7600k.
And the single thread performance is 10-20% lower than a highly overclocked 7600k's single threaded. But it has 3x the threads so.. total performance is way higher. And it runs cooler.

>>60720627
Fast RAM helps Intel as well, just not quite as much in some cases.
You still get a bigger performance boost in gaymin with 3200 vs 2133 RAM on Intel than you do from an overclock.

2666 MHz is fine on Ryzen unless you're shooting for 144fps in newer games.

>>60720672
144 FPS in newer games is more reliant on GPU than CPU or RAM. In fact the first bottle neck you will run in when doing 144hz is your GPU.

>>60720612
mostly price since i can get a 970 for 100 euros and it should still be good enough to run games at 60fps 1080 on decent graphics.


cant find 2 sticks of 4gb at 2666-3200 ddr4 ram on amazon .de,closest i can find is 2133 speed,is that good enough for ryzen ?

whats the benefit of 1 stick 8gb vs 2 sticks of 4gb?

>>60720705
>In fact the first bottle neck you will run in when doing 144hz is your GPU.
Not quite. Physics plays a part there. It's why in GPU 'bottlenecked' benches you can see Ryzen pulling an extra 10 frames.
But yes, for the most part, you're right.

>>60720745
>you can see Ryzen pulling an extra 10 frames.
Only in very specific games anyway.

>>60720627
It doesn't need good RAM, it benefits from it but doesn't need it to be competitive to the i5s.
Emulation is generally worse (although not by much) on Ryzen CPUs though

>>60720759
Oh Ryzen shits on i5. The only reason why you would get i5 over Ryzen is for emulation purposes. I am talking about the higher end ryzen vs 7700k

>>60720759
No, emulation is better if it's compiled for it. There are many cases where its IPC is far higher, like when it can utilize 4 complex instructions per cycle versus the 1 complex plus 3 simple of Intel CPUs.

But if something is closed source and single threaded, then yeah Intel generally wins there. But it's still better than an i5 for pure gaming on average due to just being more consistent and having a better platform that you can upgrade the CPU on later.

>>60720757
It's a pretty large list
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/60240247/#60243915

Follow the archive link, and search for 'go away IMG_"
It's often the quickest way to find up to date benches. As they're being used to cause mental anguish to a certain user.

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>>60718634
I'm too lazy to research parts and stuff so I need someone to build me a PC. My budget is $100. Basically it has to be better than my Core2 Duo P8400 laptop with 4GB of RAM and a 250GB HDD. I already have a keyboard and display I can use. I just need a motherboard, power supply, a CPU, 4GB of RAM, a dGPU and a non-shit case. Size doesn't really matter but I'd prefer it to be as small as possible. I'm just going to be using it for shitposting and retro games. I don't mind used parts as long as they're easy to find.

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which one ? main use would be fps games at 60fps/1080p.to go with this build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ycvNHN

>>60720839
The Samsung one would probably be good. Never buy an ANUS product though. It'll break within 3 months and their support will just tell you to call Microsoft.

>>60720839
>LED
Just get an IPS senpai

>>60720834
rasberry pi, faggot

>>60720839
Even though Nvidai doesn't currently support Freesync, I'd get a Freesync monitor because it hardly costs more or is the same price.
There are 1080p 75Hz Freesync monitors for ~$105-$115. AOC ones come to mind.
You may upgrade to an AMD GPU in the future, and plus it's an extra 25% hz which the 970 can usually put out at least with shadows dropped down in most games.

>>60720864
I don't think IPS is in his budget since he's not getting an SSD..

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Could I get some feedback and help?
I'm building a PC for my sibling. She's gamed on consoles since forever but recently realized it was shit compared to PC and would be really happy with a good one. Aiming for 1080p 60fps, but I also want the PC to last for a while so she doesn't feel limited by it when running AAA titles or so.

The problem is the overall price. Not that I want to go cheap on it but I'm not exactly rich myself and I don't want to overspend. With that said I have a feeling that the parts I picked are already pretty much spot on for what's available at the moment. At some point I thought of making a G4650 build but after looking at benchmarks etc that thing is just way too limited so R5 1400 is probably the lowest CPU I could pick for anything decent.

Help me think outside my box /pcbg/, please - anything I could tweak around to make it more of a decent budget build rather than an almost 1k € PC?

>>60720875
I can get an ssd if its under 50 euros,#
>>60720864
whats the benefit of an IPS over and LED?
>>60720866
I will look into freesync monitors thank you

>>60720875
You are going to be using your monitor long after your hardware is changed or has broken down. A good monitor will easily last you 10 years. Just get an IPS as the quality is easily worth the years you will be using your monitor.

>>60720866
Literally worse performance than my laptop and it's not x86. Get fucked.

>>60720897
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-an-IPS-monitor-and-a-LED-monitor

>>60720889
An RX 570 is still great for a 1080p machine and quite cheaper
Could save money by getting a non-samsung SSD (Kingston, Sandisk, WD, etc)
Going for 16GB 3200MHz when you're on a budget is stupidity. You're not going to see any benefit from it because the RX 580 will be the bottleneck anyway, and 12 GB (8+ 4) of RAM is good.
If you're gonna downgrade the CPU you can always get an R5 1500x (never a 1400), or go even much cheaper and go for a g4560 which still has quite acceptable performances

>>60720889
If you get find a 580 or 570. Buy it instantly.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ got the AOC monitor
only missing a cheap SSD now.Do the components I have have any issues with windows 7 or am I forced to run windows 10 ?

>>60720948
You need to link your list properly.

>>60720948
that's a nice list

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>>60720956
>>60720955
>>60720948
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yj7y2R

>>60720926
>Going for 16GB 3200MHz when you're on a budget is stupidity.
2133 or 3200 is the same price here thus why I'm getting 3200.

>If you're gonna downgrade the CPU you can always get an R5 1500x (never a 1400)
The thing is the 1500x is 20€ cheaper than the 1600... 20€ for 2c/4t is very much worth it I think.

>>60720935
The Pulse I linked is actually out of stock but the shop is saying they'll have new ones soon. Their RX 570 4GB is at 180€ which I think is a pretty good price.

>>60720969
>the shop is saying they'll have new ones soon
Yes. Retailers are getting stock at the end of June. The thing is everyone knows it and miners want them 580s.

>>60720969
>The Pulse I linked is actually out of stock but the shop is saying they'll have new ones soon.
Miners are all over the RX 570/580/470/480 right now so any stock that arrives will not stay there for long

>>60720965
Build looks decent.
Like I said for the monitor, I would recommend you invest in a good once since your monitor will easily be the single item that will last you the longest in the build you listed.

>>60720983
>>60720991
Yeah actually I just checked and they say if I order one now I'll get it the 22 of July, says it all. Fuck this mining bullshit.

>>60720897
Meh small SSDs are shit. I'd recommend at least 480GB+, which is ~$120-$140, or just don't bother.

>>60720899
I agree with you, but shitty quality IPS sucks. Good ones are $300+.

>>60720926
RX570 is pretty ideal for 1080p 60-75fps+ gaming, but they're hard to find in stock, especially good models like the Gaming X or Red Devil.

>>60720983
Miners will buy them immediately. They can't get enough of them when Ethereum was $100, let alone with it now at $230.
I don't get what /g/ doesn't understand about how these people have hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars, and will buy hundreds or thousands of them at a time each.

>>60720965
Get at least 2666 RAM.

>>60720969
>R5 1500x (never a 1400)
why?

>>60721024
An R5 1400 is very cost inefficient and performs quite worse than a 1500 in games
A G4560 would perform the same if not better (or slightly worse depending on the game), but at one third of the price

>>60721024
Less cache gives it lower IPC. And 1400s tend to have trouble overclocking as well, especially on the weaker stock cooler, and trouble running fast RAM on them.
It's not worth the $20 savings for how inferior it is.

>>60721021
>I agree with you, but shitty quality IPS sucks. Good ones are $300+.
A good 300 dollar IPS monitor that will easily last you at least 5-10 years depending on your usage. That is fucking value. Monitors are easily the most investable part of your build due to their high resale value and high re usability.

>>60721046
>>60721052
>A G4560 would perform the same if not better (or slightly worse depending on the game)
I checked all of the tests from Hardware Unboxed and this is not what I remember seeing though. And even if it is true today, wouldn't the 1400 ages much better than a G4560? Or even a non-K i5?

Price difference between 1400 and 1500x is 30€ here. I'm not trying to say you're both wrong by the way.

>>60721021
>They can't get enough of them when Ethereum was $100, let alone with it now at $230.
The price is stagnant at the moment due to the lack of new cards mining. The next huge price spike will come when the 580/570 stocks come in.

>>60718634
Anyone gone from any i7 to Ryzen yet? Looking for honest comparisons please.
Doing an ITX build for my gf soon.
Also any recommendations on cases, I checked out all the phanteks and fractual ones.
She has a preference for small and white.

>>60721090
I did not say the 1400 is worse than a G4560. It's just not good value. The 1500X is worth the 12% cost increase.

>>60721091
I'm wondering how Vega will do. Ethereum mining is heavily dependent on memory bandwidth and it's only ~500GB/s.

If it's 50MH/s, I'd get 3 of them even if it's $2000 to get the enterprise cards.

>>60721159
>I'd get 3 of them even if it's $2000 to get the enterprise cards.
>tfw when not rich

>>60721151
I went from a 2500k to 1600X.
The 1600X is incomparably better.
I got a 30-50% average FPS increase in games that are highly single threaded like heroes of the storm, and my 1% minimums are like 10,000% better. And it's so much cooler.
From an i7 to Ryzen, though, there is going to be little difference in most cases. The only major difference would be that Ryzen has less of, or almost no, problem with one program using 100% of all threads causing other things to run slower. I can run AIDA64 stress test and still use my computer normally and be generally unaware that something is using 100% of all 12 threads. I think it has to do with its SMT being better than HT to more quickly switch contexts when another software thread wants resources. A lot of other people have noted that they can be rendering something yet photoshop runs fine on a 1700 whereas doing the same with a 6900k left photoshop hitching often. But besides that.. i7s are way better than i5s now days.

>>60721151
Just ordered a Silvestone FT03. Though I did want a case that had 5 PCI slots. Could not find one that was compact yet 5 PCI. The Fractal mATX cases were fucking full ATX sized..
The Carbide 88r is nice as well.

>>60721219
I mean if you were mining bitcoins 5+ years ago you would be, and then have money to mine Ethereum now.
I'm not even rich though.. I just never buy anything. I was on the same system with an i5-2500k and 2 7970s for 6 years before Ryzen/AM4 finally gave me a compelling reason to upgrade.
I just have the money sitting there if it's a good investment. Tbh makes sense to just pull all my money out of stocks and just mine. It's a safer investment.

So I got the AMD Radeon R9 270 in 2014 and it was great. What's the modern equivalent of that? I'd prefer not to have to replace anything else besides maybe power supply

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>>60721345
the modern equivalent of such a card would probably be the 4GB RX 570. However, good luck getting your hands on any sort of RX 570 or RX 580. Ehtereum crypto-coin miners bought them all out. Your only option really if you're looking to upgrade would be a gtx 1050 ti 4GB. Or 1060 6GB if you have the cash.

>>60721345
470

>>60721290
Well she's coming from an i3 laptop, I had bulldozer and then pile driver then got 6700k and realized what I was missing out on.
If AMD is actually good now I'll buy it but I don't want to buy into another meme.

>>60720713
>closest i can find is 2133 speed,is that good enough for ryzen ?
no. you want a minimum of 2666

>>60721411
Ryzen doesn't NEED fast as fuck RAM to get 60FPS in gaming and compete in production. I have 32GB of DDR4-2400mhz CL14 RAM and it does everything mentioned above no problem.

Although 2133mhz is rather slow.

What's the minimum specs I would need to max out GTAV and TW3 at 1080p with a solid 60+ fps?

>>60721518
>max out
for games like gta or witcher maxing out all settings costs like 500$ more.
just aim at very high settings. there's barely a noticeable difference in ultra vs v. high.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZsaavKNR8

>>60721518
Ryzen R5-1600 (overclocked to 1600X levels)
GTX 1060 or RX 580 (more than likely the 1060 because AMD cards are sold out everywhere due to renewed crypto-mining)
3200mhz RAM.

Would this build be good enough for some light photogrammetry and Unreal development?

Ryzen 1600
16 gigs of RAM
Either gtx1050ti or gtx970 (which one /g/? The OEM no packaging gtx970 costs the same as the 1050ti)

Russianon here, finetuned my build https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fB49Z8
Now I'm conflicted about RAM, one suggested just getting RAM with a faster speed, while someone else suggested getting the Ballistix Sport LT and overclocking them, any help on this?

>>60721570
Not him but nice video. Stating the obvious but sometimes it's just nice to hear it.

The other day I was trying things out on BF1 and decided to put everything on low. Upon entering a game I wondered to myself "wait did it save my settings?" and yeah it did, everything was on low, but the game itself didn't look that different. I'm pretty sure medium/high would be pretty much the same as ultra (haven't bothered trying since I run it very well in ultra already but this is beyond the point here). Hell before receiving my 1070 I was playing Heroes of the Storm in low on my Intel HD graphics and was still pretty happy with it since I always had 100 FPS or so anyway.

>>60721623
I recommend the 1050 ti 4GB. At least with this card you're actually getting 4GB and not 3.5GB.

Why not a cheap quadro for the same price? Will you be gaming at all on this build?
>>60721632
Ryzen overall performance drops off after 2666mhz. There is a 0.5 to 1 fps difference of 2666 vs 3200.

However, what is this build for? Gaming? Production?

>>60721665
Mostly gaming, some production here and there.

>>60721632
privet
RAM with better speed because too lazy to do overclocking

>>60721665
>Ryzen overall performance drops off after 2666mhz
higher frequency works better for unoptimized garbage western games

>>60721675
then why not step down to an r5-1600? 6c/12 thread for almost $110 cheaper. you can take that money and shove it into say, a gtx 1070 for CUDA acceleration?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7xvNHN

You can save an additional $40 by getting rid of the after-market cooler. The stock cooler can handle these CPU's even with a decent OC. Your build vs Mine is only around $50 apart and a gtx 1070 curb stomps an RX 580. Not to mention 470/570 and 480/580 are currently over-priced due to miners.

You could save even more money dropping down to a GTX 1060 6GB if you're playing at 1080p

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First time building a rather small but respectable gaming PC, was planning on having an external PSU due to possibly not being able to fit even a SFX PSU inside. So I was looking at those incredibly tiny PSUs like Pico ones and saw some apparently support up 500W or so (max load for me is roughly 310W, so aiming high 300W for some leeway, just a i5-7500 + 1060 or RX 570 with 1-2 SSD plus bluray) with a big brick adapter externally.

How reliable and long lasting are the Picobox and Gunique ones, not too sure how long those particular higher wattage ones have been out so maybe I should ask how reliable the general design and type of PSU is. My only concern is high heat (case itself ain't helping with min cooling) but apparently most use a laptop charger and the whole DC and higher voltage converting to AC thing (too damn tired right not to even bother trying to understand it) is the main source of heat, the Gunique doesn't do that.

Any personal experiences with this?

>>60721665
>At least with this card you're actually getting 4GB and not 3.5GB.


970 owner here, that hurts even now brah.

>>60721723
what case are you trying to stuff those components into that you require an external PSU? I have my server running on a Silverstone 450w gold cert SFX based PSU.

>>60721729
sorry m8. Just saying the truth. I'm still cruising on my gtx 980ti classified @ 1600mhz. I'm so glad I didn't make the choice to buy a top binned 970.

Maybe save and see if you can get a 1060?

>>60721735

A old fat PS2. I've still got to make dummies parts out of cardboard, settle on layout of said parts and all that. SFX might be doable, but just thinking of the mobo, a mini 1060/rx 570, slim optical drive and said SFX PSU makes it a bit iffy.

>>60721729
>not flashing the bios with a 3.5GB fix
it's a legit okay card as long as it doesn't touch that .5GB
>>60721793
>A old fat PS2
muh nigga, I did exactly that too

>>60721665
the Unreal development anon here.

I'm gonna play some games, but mostly do unreal development. The fact that I'll use a 1280x1024 monitor is probably gonna help run those games smoother.

If the gtx970 is terrible, I can also buy gtx960 for a bit cheaper than the 1050ti, or 980 for $100 more (a local store got dumped with a bunch of surplus oem 900 series cards for less than half the msrp)

>>60721716
>shove it into say, a gtx 1070 for CUDA acceleration
Question is, which manufacturer is the best? Are there any manufacturers I should avoid like the plague? Or is there really no difference?

>>60721793
so this is a project really more than anything. No idea about how good external PSU's are. JohnnyGuru does nothing buy review power supplies. You can possibly check there.

>>60721345
RX560 but you'd be better off getting an RX570.

>>60721396
I mean I'm someone who bought a 2500k instead of Bulldozer to begin with.
Before that I got an Athlon 64 and Tbird 1.33. I've made very good CPU choices each time I bought one. The 1600/1600X is just amazing. I'd say it's the best processor you could get for the money for its time of all time, even more so than the i5-2500k was in 2011.

>>60721632
Dunno. I got G.Skill and the same board but mATX version. First attempts at overclocking above advertised speeds didn't work. Though it had no trouble cycling and booting to working speeds.
Maybe with the new AGESA update I'll be able to.

>>60721659
Yeah not him, but that's legit been my new favorite video since it came out a few weeks ago. It's so fucking true.
>Ultra settings
is usually just some bullshit to rig benchmarks. It's to the point that I don't trust reviewers that don't drop know-problematic settings when they do benchmarks.
You see some fuck tards test everything maxed 16X MSAA and bullshit. No one does that. They are not trustworthy.

>>60721623
>>60721665
>>60721729
I'd really recommend trying to get 6GB VRAM minimum with Nvidia cards. Unless you're just doing light gaming the 1050Ti is fine, but the 970 is never fine.
Nvidia memory controller and narrow memory bus has this issue where performance tanks when its VRAM is overused.
With GCN cards, it can pull RAM from the CPU at the same time as reading. On Nvidia, it mostly can't. This is why you see games using 50% more VRAM than Nvidia cards have dropping performance by 80%, when they only drop 15-25% on GCN cards.
The low VRAM on Nvidia cards and that architecture is just planned obsolescence, pure and simple. The VRAM cost is only like $1-$2 per GB and the reason they try so hard to jew people out on it is to force them to upgrade sooner.

I have seen 6GB 1060s as cheap as $215 fairly often.

>>60721802
Well since you're gaming on such a low res monitor, get the 960. Shit even an older 750 TI would probably do 100+ fps at that resolution. A 970 isn't a TERRIBLE card, the problem is that there is always the chance of hitting that last 0.5GB of RAM and dropping to single digit FPS. I recommend the 960. Or if your budget is that low, consider a 4GB RX-560. Does unreal engine offer OpenGL acceleration as well as CUDA? If not, the 960 is fine.
>>60721805
Most nvidia brands are decent. I personally prefer to buy nothing but EVGA. However Asus isn't bad.

I tend to avoid PNY and MSI. Zotac is usually the unsung hero of Nvidia. They're known for making crazy cards whether through insane cooling or high clock rate.

>>60718634
How do I go about picking a motherboard? What should I look for?

I got my desktop as a gift years back and I've slowly been upgrading it, but now I've run into my new graphics card not being recognized and apparently it's the motherboard / the MSI branding of the GPU.

Shall I get the RX580 or GTX1080 for Linux 1080p gaming if I wait for Volta/Vega but just want a decent graphics card at the moment?

>>60720834

this is as cheap as you can get and its all brand new, just $50 more

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gLmQ2R

>>60721864
what? Do you have an AGP slot or original PCI or something? i've never heard of a graphics card not being recognized.

Goddammet I will Never buy a good CPU
Should I go with the G4600?
Different of price is 10€ from the G4560

>>60722238
I'm still rather new, but do you mean the expansion slots? They're PCI express.

GTX 1060 OC 6GB for 225€ is a pretty good deal isn't it?

>>60722238
The issue is whenever I instal the card, it doesn't make it through the post beeps. After all of my research, it seems to be the motherboard.

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>bought all my parts from german amazon
>live in malta
>just realised we use different power sockets from germany

WHAT NOW ?

>>60722333
Use an adapter/but a PSU that suits your socket. And maybe a monitor.
Return what you don't use.

>>60722308
Yes, i did mean the expansion slots. That's very strange. PCI- Express should be fully compatible, even the old slots with a new card. What Graphics card and what Motherboard are you using?

To answer your original question though;
you want to look for
>correct chipset/ socket for your cpu (i.e socket am4 and something like a b350 chipset for a new AMD Ryzen cpu) If intel, chipset is extra important because Z series has a bunch of extra features (like overclocking) that you might be wasting your money on if you won't use them.
>Correct form factor for your case
>build quality. Really anything but the absolute cheapest is usually fine
>inputs and outputs, like Ethernet, number of usb ports. Some people want USB type-c connectors on their motherboard.
>Number of RAM slots
etc

>>60721844
Took some time to think about it, eh, Nvidia it is.
About the CPU: I'm now conflicted between getting a Ryzen or an i7 CPU, any difference between those? Is one better than the other at certain things?

>>60722318
I don't know euro prices, but seems okay.

>>60722500
7700k has better single threaded. Ryzen 6 and 8 cores have more total performance for multithreaded applications and running more applications simutaniously.
Ryzen CPUs seem to be a lot better at not locking up or stuttering, too.

>>60722318
I paid month ago the same price for the 3gb

Go with it

anyone know when rx 570/580 are gonna be back in stock?

I have every single component I need to put together a 7700k, z270-e, 1080ti, 1TB SSD, 16GB 3200mhz RAM computer. but I want to wait for the 7820x to come out and return my CPU/Mobo, so I have a system that will last me for many years to come.

Is this correct?

>>60718634
RX570 4GB, RX580 4GB or GTX 1060 6GB?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dydJWX
(1700X, MSI B350)

Can I just use any 2400 speed ram? The motherboard specs list faster rams as overclocked.

Backstory:
- general use computer, will run Linux and some VMs
- 8 GB is enough for me now, but I picked a board with 4 slots so I can upgrade
- I don't plan to overclock, but might in the future
- video card and SSD come from a previous build

>>60722333
Malta uses 230V, same as Germany. All you need is a power cable that has the proper plug.

>>60722463

The motherboard is an Alienware 046MHW. Yes, I know, Alienware, but as I said it was a gift and I'm just going with what I've got.

The card I'm using currently is an AMD 6950, while the one I'm wanting to upgrade to is an MSI branded r9 390.

From what I can tell, I goofed by getting the MSI instead of a Sapphire or the likes due to the later having a 'Legacy Boot' switch, which the motherboard apparently requires.

Are there any better brands I should look out for, or is it all subjective?

>>60722600
>7700k has better single threaded
>Ryzen 6 and 8 cores have more total performance for multithreaded applications and running more applications simutaniously
So does it matter if a CPU is better at single-thread processing than multithreading and vice-versa?
And what I'm getting here is that Ryzen would be the smarter choice, am I correct?
Sorry for late reply, was just trying to think it through.

odd question maybe; I need a case for two mainboards.
does such a thing exist?

>>60723059
Overall I think Ryzen is much better. But there are cases where a 7700k makes more sense. And the G4560 is obviously a very good buy at only $65 with very good performance for them money.

Why can't I add more than two GPUs or mix different GPUs in PCPartpicker? This is retarded

>>60723487
Your board probably doesn't support it

>>60723059
7700k is better for gaming, and you don't have to wait for continuous bios/driver updates to get what you paid for, or wait for game developers to optimize for your chipset in mind, because they already do. The downside is it's on an older chipset, so if you wanted to upgrade in a few years you'd likely have to replace more stuff. It's also more expensive and if you get unlucky run hotter.
Ryzen is more 'future proof' from the mindset of it being a new chipset, more cores/threads, at a reasonable price. If you do a lot of cpu intensive things like video editting, in depth CAD shit, etc. Ryzen having more cores/threads at the same pricepoint will give you better performance.

>>60723536
It certainly does (Asus X99-E WS). I think it's a forced restriction set by the site.

>>60723543
Also gives you the option of starting thoes things in future.
I used to have a shitty celeron that was fine for what I was doing. But every so often I'd come across something I wanted to try. But due to lack luster performance I couldn't.

Making your own PC for one task and one task only is akin to shooting your creative flow in the back of the head.
It never saw what's coming.

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I'm considering upgrading my current rig with some of this shit. Any criticisms?

>>60723688
>FX 9590
It may come as a shock. But you don't need a 750W PSU to run Ryzen.
Ad for everything else. You seem to have a color scheme going. So the only place you may find savings is in the case and RAM.
There's nothing implicitly wrong here.

>>60723582
>Making your own PC for one task and one task only is akin to shooting your creative flow in the back of the head
You do make a pretty good point, actually.
Also is the motherboard I chose (ASRock AB350 Pro4) a good motherboard? Can I get better? I just wanna make a PC with the best components, I don't want a slow and/or unstable piece of shit or housefire-tier shit.

>>60723738

I don't give a shit if my computer lights up like a gay pride rally. I usually disable LEDs anyway.

Well /b/ my gpu died. i have a fx8350 so i need a gpu. What do i get? used to have a 7970, but i dont play aaa gasmes anymore

Anyone know where I can find a dust filter mesh that I can cut out in shape myself, that still remain fairly stiff?

>>60723688
mobo costs almost same as CPU.

>>60724051
>/b/
???

>>60724213
sorry, /b/ and /pol/ are my main boards

Well /g/ my gpu died. i have a fx8350 so i need a gpu. What do i get? used to have a 7970, but i dont play aaa gasmes anymore

>>60724139
You might have to try a metal store. Should be called 'perforated steel/other metal mesh'.
>>60724051
1050ti maybe.
RX 580's are sold out. 1060's are still available. Don't get a 3gb version, it's gimped to buggary.

Anything else you're looking at last gen cards. of which only the 980 and R9's are worth getting. If you can find them for the right price.
>>60723775
Should be fine. I'm not aware of any bios updates due that are not 'obscure' use.
As for the 'best'. That no so much a issue with motherboards. They're made all near the same spec. You can buy the cheapest and still be fine.
>>60723777
You mobo is overpriced. You can drop down to B350 type if you're not planning to sli/crossfire.

>>60724269
>Should be called 'perforated steel/other metal mesh
I want it in plastic though.

>>60724280
Car modding stores should have plastic mesh.

Cheap decent cooler with Ryzen?

>>60724480
You can't cool a Ryzen

>>60724480
cryorig h7 with the am4 bracket

>>60724480
1600 and less come with stock coolers that do the job well, and don't look like shit.
1600X does not come with a cooler.

>>60718634
Hey I have a dumb question, but didn't want to make a separate thread.
If the chipset on my motherboard supposedly supports up to 16 PCIe lanes, will it recognize 16 different GPUs if I only use 1x connectors?
I want to mine ethereum, and PCIe bandwidth apparently has no effect on mining performance.

>>60724234
budget my dude. and look at the op

finished by build finally after spending my time here for 2 months instead of listening to my uni lectures

final build is 7700k, 1060, h7 cooler

kinda scared of my intel housefire but so far even gaming doesn't put it over 50 degrees

thanks for all the shills, the laughs, the lessons (even though i didn't listen to anyone here and still got the 7700k) and i hope i don't encounter any problems along the way

bye for now /pcb/ it's been a wild ride

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>>60724615
Enjoy your game console, bye!

>>60724592
the 1050ti seems to get the same performance, but how acceptable is that in todays world?

>>60724269
>You can buy the cheapest and still be fine
That's really good to hear, as for storage, should 2TB be fine? Is WD a good brand to buy from? And power supply, is the one I selected (EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W) OK? Estimated wattage usage on this thing is 391W

>>60724672
2TB is fine for casual users. WD is a good brand. But seagate is currently cheaper.
A SSD is a must for any build, gaming or not. PNY are currently the cheapest.

For a SSD you want, 128Gb if for only programs and your operating system.
500Gb+ for that and many games.

If thoes are out of budget, you can swap your regular HDD to a hybrid. It's a HDD with a smaller SSD, that saves commonly used files to it. To make your system snappier.

Any common brand name PSU is fine.

As for wattage, I don't know your build. I'm late in this thread.

>>60724672
WD and Hitachi/HGST are he best HDD brands.

>>60724771
Here it is https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x8KGzM
I hope I didn't fuck up, I think I should swap out the RAM for something with a faster clockspeed though.

>>60724650
honestly it all comes down to the games you play and how much you want to spend.
check how gtx1050ti performs in games you play. if it's enough for you then just go for it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rv3dTH

This is my first time building a PC, trying to keep it around $1000. I want to be able to to run any game I come across at 60 FPS with whatever resolution.

>>60724936
>any game I come across at 60 FPS with whatever resolution.
are you a complete and total retard or what

I'm pretty much new as that as you might shortly see and any and all help is so greatly appreciated.
I have this so far and I don't know if its okay or not
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tD6y2R
This is going to be my first pc so I have no games or software at all but I do plan to do play games and use it for internet browsing and all that.
I want to be at at least $500 or around that price and additionally $100 for the monitor, keyboard and mouse and anything else I might need so I guess $600 is my budget.
What think? I know I'm about to get rektd but any I'll accept any criticism to improve my knowlegde.

Whats a good z170 mobo? as long as its not msi

im tired of msi command center and live update

>>60724807
650W is good.
For greater RAM speed, you'll need a different Mobo.
And there's not much in white. Unless you're happy with a smaller board, or have a different color/board in mind.
I'm actually surprised that board is DDR4-1866 / 2133 / 2400 / 2666. And not higher.

But you're fine with what you've got now. You can go with 2666Mhz. You will see a gain of around 3-5 fps with that dependent on type of game.
Might not sound like much, but when you're in high res it matters.

>>60724936
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ht7Z3F
better cpu, no need for a stock cooler, mobo that allows overclocking, faster ram, 2x bigger ssd

>>60725006
go with dual channel (2x4gb) ram, up the speed to 2400mhz.
you probably won't be able to find rx570 in stock.
i'd also wait for rx580 to be in stock again but if you're in a rush/don't wait to wait then gtx1060 is good too.

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>>60724986
Yes. Don't know why I said 60 FPS I wasn't thinking, just want to be able to run things and for some reason my mind jumped to 60 FPS.

>>60725064
>i'd also wait for rx580 to be in stock again but if you're in a rush/don't wait to wait then gtx1060 is good too.
meant for >>60724936 sorry

can i use 4 dimm ram on a ryzen 1600 ? at 3000mhz ?

or will i have to downgrade the ram speed in order to run 4 dimms ? i have never seen anyone running more than 2 on ryzen

>>60725068

He's calling you fucking retarded because of 60 FPS at ANY resolution. That PC could do 1080P very well and MAYBE 1440p on high/ultra. But 4k? 8k?

LOL FUCK NO

I'd wait for newer boards but AXMP might do it on ASRock boards.

>>60725102
If it's got the slot, it'll take it like a whore.
Make sure your mobo supports 3000Mhz RAM tho. And that you're not mixing RAM speeds, as it will default to the lower.

>>60725064
like this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jfdgcc
kinda went overboard with the monitor,mouse and keyboard but I'm still deciding on that.
I would have tried a beginner's build but I really dont want to copy anyone and I have a feeling i wont learn anything if I dont do it myself

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VdbdTH

Putting together this pc, wanna keep it under $1500.
I don't plan on doing anything too intensive with the cpu so should I invest in a cpu cooler?
Any thoughts and input is welcome.

>>60725233
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VdbdTH
my case isn't adding to the total there but it should be around 140 dollars.

>>60725233
Get amd r5-1600 instead then, 6700k apparently doesn't even come with stock cooler.
Get like MSI B350 Mortar/Bazooka.

>>60725233
>>60725246
Why get 6700k over 7700k?

You also don't need a Wi-Fi adapter, you're buying a motherboard with integrated wifi and bluetooth at a premium price for it. If you want an adapter then just get the Z270-A.

you're missing an SSD.

>>60725217
you don't need 3000mhz ram since your b250 motherboard supports only up to 2400mhz. though if you don't mind spending extra 5$ it's ok since you can reuse it in future or whatever.

i would 100% recommend spending extra on monitor. 1366x768 in 2017 is retarded. for ~120$ you can either get:
- 1080p 60hz ips (better colors and viewing angles, higher response time, good for everyday use, movies), example: Dell SE2416H
- 1080p 75hz tn freesync (worse colors and viewing angles, lower response time, way smoother experience, good for gaming), example: AOC G2260VWQ6
since you want cheapest mouse&keyboard it's worth getting a bundle like https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6P2kcf/cooler-master-keyboard-sgb3010kkmf1us

When is tbe best time for me to buy a new gpu? Also has anyone had any luck buying used from craigslist

>>60724615
>7700k, 1060
Holy mother of bait.

>>60725265
Thank you but i'm trying t o stay away from amd products though I'm sure I would save a lot of money.
>>60725292
I've heard about temperature problems with the 7700k. Thanks I didn't realize about the wifi and SSD.

>>60725514
>Thank you but i'm trying t o stay away from amd products though I'm sure I would save a lot of money.
Why?
You don't like quality products with a much more consumer friendly business policy?

>>60725514
There are no temperature problems at stock, and if you're overclocking a 6700k you'll have the same problem, so you may as well get the factory higher clocks.

>>60725458
It's not bait. Go back prior threads. He was the one trying to hijack the thread.

https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/60403548/#q60403548
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/60338189/#q60338189

Some examples. There's posts of his that are really self deluded.
There's better examples. But I care not to scrounge for them.

>>60725642
What makes you think they are the same people?

You are such an autist.

I bought a 4GB RX 480 in Nov 2016 for $210 and I am going to sell it on Monday for $370. (europoor 50% VAT prices)
What should I do next? Buy a cheap card and wait for Vega/Volta or go for a 1080? The price difference between the 1070 and the 1080 is quite small, so a 1070 doesn't make much sense.

Is 144hz overrated? Seems like a steep price increase for minimal performance increase.

>>60725710
The same two products that had to be 'defended' every time that particular OP was around.
Causality =/= autism.

will a 450w powersuppy work fine with a rx 580 and ryzen 5 1400 with 3200 8gb? fucking frys had no powersupplies and i didnt want to wait

>>60725728
No. 144hz is not necessary but it is one of the things where once you have 144hz, you can't go back to 60hz.

Who else >waiting for i7 7820x
here?

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>>60725926
>i7 7820x

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Is it normal for my new 1060 6gb to reach 40º while playing a game at 60fps?
It's like working at 70% usage..

>>60726033
That's dangerously hot, you should RMA it immediately, you got a defective unit.

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Im just here to find a will to live. So far nothing.

>>60718634
>>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings
So, how do you inject SMAA?

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>>60726052
I mean I'm scary it's so low temperature..

>>60725748
yes.

>>60725718
unless you're on 1440p+ gtx1080 would be a waste.

>>60726033
more usage = better. 40º is considered cool

>>60726154
>>unless you're on 1440p+ gtx1080 would be a waste.
No it wouldn't, if he wants to game at 1080p for the next 5 years it's a great pickup.

>>60725757
So it's a noticeable difference? I have the money to upgrade. Just wanted to see if it was worth it.

>>60726205
gtx 1080 costs the same as 2-3 cards, so no, it's still a shitty buy.

>>60726153
Source on that image, my boy? Reverse image search is blueballing me.

>>60726230
Yes. It is noticeable difference.

>>60726238
[Chitei no Nikuya] Sweets de ShokuSe

>>60725353
>reuse it in the future or whatever
Well Iwant something I can upgrade oce I have enough money, so change the ram or leave it as is?
You're right about the monitor though it makes sense especially if that's what is going to be one of the things that won't change for a good while.
thanks anon this is all really new to me and its cool youre being helpful

Hello, /g/. After a bit of research and a lot of lurking I've layed out my first build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tqwjkT

Any glaring defects, or mistakes here? I'd like to keep it close to 1000 as long as it's sidegrades, or minor changes. If it comes down to it, I'd rather save up a bit more and get the better choice, whatever it is.

>For GPU's, is a 580 better than a 1060?
>Is the 1600X worth getting over the 1600?
>Brands to avoid? Brands to stick with?
>Motherboards. I know nothing about them.

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>>60726266
Thank you, Jesus.

Are hybrid hard drives worth it? I've been looking into getting a RAID setup to use for photography and video editing, backups and general storage because I want mainly better write performance over individual drives without having to get a bunch of SSDs, but I'd either have to go with RAID 0 which gives balls to the walls speed but no failure protection or RAID 10 which only gives me half the capacity of my drives.

Am I better off with just getting a large capacity hybrid hard drive?

>>60726304
yes
no
intel

get r5 1600 + stock cooler is enough + b350 mobo + su800 ssd (if u want to save some $)

>>60726356

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>>60718996
its good, but be careful about the graphic card choice, some cards cant handle 1440p + 144hz on idle and your screen will stutter until you overclock default profile

>>60726456
>
Alright, thanks for the input

>>60726304
>For GPU's, is a 580 better than a 1060?
No, most AMD fans fail to mention that the 1060 can overclock consistently better than the 580, so you'll get better performance from the 1060 because of that
>Is the 1600X worth getting over the 1600?
No, and a i5-7500 is just fine for gaming and daily use without giving you any RAM or BIOS-related headaches. Sure, it's two less cores, but at least you don't have to deal with rushed hardware.
>Brands to avoid?
AMD motherboards - Gigabyte, MSI, and ASRock
>Brands to stick with?
AMD motherboards - ASUS
ASUS is also really good for Intel motherboards, in case you decide to make the more intelligent decision to use a problem-free LGA-1151 system instead.
>Motherboards. I know nothing about them.
AMD has three chipsets - the A320, B350, and X370
Out of all of those, only the X370 is worth it for overclocking since they're expensive enough to put extra money into more power delivery components. It's their equivalent to the Z270 chipset from Intel, but offers less advanced features.
Intel has four major consumer chipsets - H110, B250, H270, and Z270
Z270 is for overclocking, H270 has pretty much everything from the Z270 without overclocking, and the B250 offers enough for most users (and ironically more than the X370 chipset from AMD). H110 is the cheapest option, but it's roughly equal to the A320 in quality and features.

>>60718634
just so you know.
ryzen 1600 goes for 204 euros in the german-arabic caliphate

https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-5-1600-yd1600bbaebox-a1604879.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

>>60726626
>Telling someone who barely knows anything about components to get a card that requires overclocking to outperform the competition
Please stop posting

>>60726626
What if somebody actually listened to your comment? Wouldn't you feel bad?

>>60726651
>>60726654
t. Retart samefag

>>60726651
Overclocking is pretty easy with Nvidia GPUs. You normally don't have to worry about housefires :^)
>>60726654
Where am I wrong ;^)

@60726626
>actually recommending ASUS AMD mobo
>right after complaining about rushed hardware

is this bait?

>>60726675
You caught me ;^)

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How can i find out what usb chips a mobo uses?

I was thinking about the ASRock Fatal1ty X99 Professional Gaming i7

>>60726664
You know what's even easier than that? Getting a card that actually performs well out of the box

>Where am I wrong ;^)
In the part where you still think it's one week after the release of Ryzen, 99% of the problems with RAM and BIOS have been fixed.

>>60726711
>Getting a card that actually performs well out of the box
So the 1060 6GB then?
>99% of the problems with RAM and BIOS have been fixed
So why aren't you running DDR4-3200 on YOUR AMD build yet? :^)
My Z270 motherboard handles DDR4-3600 just fine, and on all four DIMM slots too ;^)

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>>60726626
BRB, taking my angry pills.
>>60726651
Actually we should teach overclocking of GPU's in a followup post to the OP. It's stupidly easy.
CPU's are a whole different matter.

I've got a 1060 myself. But I wouldn't recommend it unless it was cheaper, and then to overclock it. But you're still losing out, only gaining in price/perf.
Pretty sure they die in the arse at 1440. I'm on 1080 so I haven't looked into that.

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>>60718634
So nobody is going to comment on that potato?

>>60726792
Only yuropoor cucks do, hello btw :^)))))

>>60726749
>So the 1060 6GB then?
Sure, or the RX580 8GB which is faster than the 1060 and doesn't have gimped VRAM.

https://youtu.be/H6st6QZTDxE?t=977

>>60726792
No, but I will ask about that image that makes it looks like my screen is broken if I open it in a dark background.

>>60726813
>gimped VRAM
This ain't the 970 3.5 meme anymore, pham
Grow up, the 1060 is far better at most modern games in APIs everyone still uses, DX11 and DX12

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/tQYwf8
This is my first build, how badly did I fuck up?
I want to go for gaming mostly, no streaming or video editing etc. and I heard that the i7 is good if I only go for that.

>>60726456
Thank you
>>60726626
...thanks...

>>60726777
Is it really that simple? I've always been intimidated by the idea, and worried about frying something.

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>>60726777
Just a follow up.
MD5 this image. as proof of ownership. I can't be fucked taking a new pic. Archive proves my distaste for it.
>>60726813
You're also forgetting that you have to soft/hard mod the card if you want a proper overclock on the 1060. And there's a hard cap of (((2150Mhz))) to prevent it performing like a 1070.
one Mhz more it crashes. [spoiler]apprently[/spoiler] I can't get mine that far yet.

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>>60726829
You're aware that you can just click on the link I gave you and it'll show that the 1060 is only faster in one DX12 title and the RX580 is faster in 6 titles, right? Here, I'll give you a screenshot since you seem to be special needs

>>60726692
I had to download the manual. Shitty ASSmedia.

>>60726836
you could fit ryzen and gtx1080 in there which would give you more performance than i7 + gtx1070

>>60726864
CPU's are hard, and you can damage it if you don't have a clue.

GPU's on the other hand are very well locked down to prevent user error causing damage.
YouTube gpu overclock. Jayz2cents has a good tutorial.
It's just a few slider bars. On a program you acess from windows. No going into the BIOS

For more extreme GPU clocking on the RX cards. You only need to edit the overclock program with notepad++ for the RX 5XX cards.
With GTX10XX, you need to solder capacitors, and/or bridge power meters. The really cucked those cards.

Russianon here again, is watercooling a meme or does it actually bring an advantage over air-based coolers?

>>60726943
Thanks, anon: I learned something cool today.

If I'm going to overclock, does it matter which brand or type of GPU I get? Are all 580's the same besides price/design?

>>60726951
It has a huge advantage over air cooling, but the hassle to set it up is rarely worth it unless you absolutely can't cool your system well enough with conventional cooling

>>60726990
The main difference between brands is the clock they have from factory and what cooling solution they use

I'm thinking about going for this build today and buy the last few parts because the ryzen cpu is so cheap and I don't know if mobo, case etc will ever get a discount or something like that.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/gKRHtJ

is there something during the next few weeks I can look forward to in yuropoor? Or should I go for it?

I'm trying to use an older motherboard but one of it's psu connectors is a 4 pin. Can I use a 6pin on that or it's just worthless?

>>60726951
AIO's are still a meme-ish. The ones that do better than air are a bit costly. However there's a few that are damn near the same performance as a noctua. For 20-30$ more.
I say that they're worth the exrta over air, because you're getting so much for that money.
Instead of 2c's of plastic and a chunk of zinc coated copper and a mobile phone vibrator motor.

A advantage of a basic AIO can be setting a stupid high clock, as it takes time for the water to heat up overall causing 'bad' thermals. So if you know that you will only hammer 100% useage for limited amount of time you can abuse that property.

Custom loops are where it's at, mainly in volume of the cooling fluid. And extra heat venting via more/bigger radiators secondly.

Overall. dont give in to the noctua jew. There's much cheaper Air coolers that are near the same.
But an AIO is fine too.
Next generation of AIO's should be something to make Air cooling scared.

>>60727047
4pin is CPU connector.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tVQBpb

What do you think of my list so far?
I'm getting the CPU + RAM next week, everything else on the list is being used from an old build or bought new ready for my new one.

Any recommendations or last second thoughts on maybe some changes?

>>60727086
What kind of AIOs would you personally recommend then?

>>60727185
overkill mobo but seeing how you have 2tb of ssd storage that probably doesn't matter to you

>>60726990
There's different PCB layouts. VRM's ect.
Too much to explain here.

Watch this cunts vids. Any of his GPU PCB tear downs
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrwObTfqv8u1KO7Fgk-FXHQ

He'll explain everything. Ans it's easy to understand and apply to a card he has not done.

>>60727208
I have the corsait H100i V2. I got it for a steal at the time $100AUD
No complaints other than the bolt lengths being a bit too long. So you'll need some extra washers or rubber "O rings" to make up the difference in mounting. May have been my case being thin.
It's on a FX8350. My only gripe about it is that I cant by default control the pump. Just the fan curve.
So that leads to ramp up's in speed when say opening a youtube vid, even tho there's no real load.
Given that behavior, I assume it's got high overclocking in mind.

At 4Ghz smashing prime95 I've only had 45-7c And I'm Australian. I've probably got high case fan settings tho.

There's also the Next kracken? Or whatever comparable in price to the H100i V2 from them. I've heard good things.
Check out the /guts/ threads. Many users have AIO's there. And are generally happy to answer questions.

>>60727211
I can still return it, which mobo in your opinion should I swap it for?

>>60727021
OC type cards I hear are better binned.
>>60726990

>>60727316
The CPU and motherboard I'm considering to buy is a Ryzen and a MSI X370 SLI Plus.
>The Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard.
Is this bad or good? If I do need to get one where do I?

>>60727316
The NZXT Kraken x62 is pretty good, but it's expensive. NZXT also has a 120(or 140mm) variant of it.

>>60727505
>The Deepcool - CAPTAIN 240EX
When those first came out there were many problems (may have been a similar design)
But have not heard anything bad about them in a long time. Check their warranty policy. I'd suspect they'd try and fuck you over should it go bad.
>>60727531
>>The Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM
Same one I've got. It's very good. And I'd imagine even better on lower power chips.
My FX 8350 being 125W TDP
The 1600X 95W TDP along with the 1800x
>>60727546
The one I'm thinking of is sub $150. Basically just visual preference between that and the Corsair.
Pretty sure it's from NZXT.
Should be the 120mm

>>60727628
>Should be the 120mm
Nope 240***

I upgraded my processor which should be compatible with my motherboard, but I can't boot, but the fan and lights on the tower come on. I am so fucking stressed by this shit. What am I missing? I reset the BIOS, was super careful handling everything, double checked all connections. I don't want my money to go down the drain.

>cpu runs 10° hotter than gpu

Is the Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 a good board or is the ASRock AB350-M PRO4 better?

>>60727839
Paired with Ryzen 5 1600 and 580 Nitro+ LE

>>60727723
what cpu what mobo

>>60727861
Also MSI B350 M bazooka and PRO, but everyone here tells me MSI is shit

>>60727972
MSI is good, gigabyte is shit.

>>60728019
expect for the long boot time
>>60727839
go with asrock

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Just build my first PC lads. Is anything here out of order?

Get redpilled niggers
https://youtu.be/8u1hd_7nUaw

>>60728077
doesn't seem like it. what frequency is your ram working on?
also try overclocking your cpu to 3.8

q9650 processor
PT890T-A mobo

it should work, right?

>>60728134
I guess ram works on 2133 Mhz right now. Also how do I stress the system? I would like to test temperatures under load.

>>60728077
Use HWInfo for ryzen monitoring. HWMonitor does not pick up correct sensors on some boards for voltages etc.

>>60728036
http://www.overclock.net/a/asrock-you-dissapointed-me-on-ryzen-launch-day-how-asrock-am4-b350-boards-failed-to-deliver-on-value-draft
Whats your opinion on this?

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What do those temps mean? VRM temperature seems to be pretty high. Is it okay?

>>60728436
Those are fine, sub 120c is fine.

>>60728436
90C is pretty normal temperature for VRM. Most VRM can handle up to 125C before sparks and magic smoke. Obviously a fan blowing in the general direction would not hurt.

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>wanna buy a 580
>every online site has them sold out or at a insane markup because of cryptocucks

fucking bullshit

are there two different sizes for matx? some seem shorter

>>60728208
Prime 95, aida64, cinebench, furmark, 3dmark.

I'm looking for a new monitor, current one is 900p 60Hz. As far as FPS gayman goes, would I be better off with 1080p 144hz or 1440p 60hz?

>>60729066
depends on what you play desu
>comp games, dota, lol, cs, quake etc
144hz
>aaa games, rpgs, civ etc
1440p 60hz ips

>>60729066
1440p 165hz

>>60726560
Not him, but what kind of gpu are we talking. Like a 1070 or 1080 needed?

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Looking to get a case.
I like pic-related but it's unjustifiably expensive & probably overkill for my purposes- at least it probably will be long enough for usb 3.1+ to become the new standard & make the IO ports outdated.

There any good full-tower options that are constructed well, have features to make working on it convenient/intuitive, and don't look like fucking ricer garbage?

>>60729066
1080p 144+
Less demanding of the video card.
1440 144 if you have the cash to back it up.
Current IPS panels are plagued by QC issues though.

Are Ryzen Master values correct? They seem different from those in HWInfo/HWMonitor. CPU is Ryzen 5 1600.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vTY83F
i was originally going to get a 1050ti but after comparing to the 1060 i decided to step it up
im going to run my OS on the SSD maybe one or two games if i can fit on the 120gb
my first PC build im excited, just ordered everything except the GPU

Is it a good idea to get a couple 1tb+ SSDs for games?
Keeping most of my docs & such on a 1tb HDD raid 1, while the OS & utilities are on a small 500gb SSD.
Should the games go on big SSDs, or bigger/cheaper HDDs?

WHERE DA 580's AT?!

>>60729875
No one recommends the Intel Core i5 anymore. it's beaten in just about every performance category by AMD's similarly priced Ryzen 5 series.
Look at changing the processor to either a Ryzen 5 1500X (4 core, 8 thread) or a Ryzen 5 1600 (6 core, 12 thread)
I too was considering an Intel I5 built (using a 7500). After Ryzen came out, I figured I'd switch to the R5 1600 since it's the best bang for buck processor out there.

>>60724234
>sorry, /b/ and /pol/ are my main boards
Why would you do that to yourself?

>>60729875
change the processor to a Ryzen 5 1500X or 1600,
change the motherboard to a B350 chipset AMD board
drop the single stick of 8GB ram for 2 4gb sticks.
and drop the 1060 for a RX 470/570 if you can find one, otherwise step up to the 6GB 1060, but avoid the 3gb model. It will tank in games due to its lack of vram

https://www.pcpartpicker.com/list/6CpNHN

""""Bugdet"""" Gaming Build. Any room for improvement? HDD, PSU, Case, and OS will be ported from other build, manual prices are based on local microcenter.

>>60730022
>Any room for improvement?
any reason for the 1600X over the 1600? The 1600 can be overclocked to match its performance easily, and comes with a decent cooler so you can save money there as well, though you would need an aftermarket cooler for anything other than a moderate overclock (around 3.7/3.8ghz).

>>60730063
Sounds good, will fix accordingly.

>receive PCIe extender that i had ordered because my sound card was right in front of my GPU, blocking air intake
>GPU drops from 32°C idle to 29°C
>CPU drops from 37°C to 32°C
i didn't expect such a difference in both, and considering i was overheating in very GPU hungry games i'm expecting a big drop there too

Parts are coming in slowly for m build. I will be getting my ssd today. Anyway to use my laptop to setup windows on it? Would like to save the money and not get a thumb drive.

>>60729977
>>60729998
i have already ordered the parts is it horrible that i got the i5 processor? it seems pretty good
and i got the single 8gb because i might add another later for 16gb total
i am going with the 1060 mostly for price, but also because im not going to be playing games above 1080p 60fps because thats the most my monitor will show anyway

How do I update Asrock motherboard BIOS without instant flash?

>>60730171
The 6500 is last year's processor. It's decent, but compared to the Ryzen processors, it hits 100% CPU usage in games while Ryzen doesn't. This will lead to stuttering and frame drops in game. The Ryzen processors are better for a steady gamerate. The RX470/570 are similarly priced to the 1060 3GB, if you can find them, but it's a better performer because it has 4gb of vram as opposed to 3.

It's an ok build, but it'll be ready for replacement within 2 years, meanwhile Ryzen will last through 2020 minimum since it's a new platform, and has more cores and threads at its disposal.

>>60730218
It should be able to update over the internet. it's super slow though.

>>60730233
I guess that I need to connect it through a cable to do that right? Right now I use USB wifi card to access internet.

>>60730171
if you can return the cpu & mobo then you should do so.

>>60728077
Do a prime95 test to heat up your CPU and then stop it to see how quickly your temps sink back down. Remember not to exceed the max core temp rated for your CPU. It's a good way to test if you did a decent job applying thermal paste. If your temps sink back down quickly to within normal operating range then you did good.

>>60730229
>>60730292
luckily i was able to cancel the processor and motherboard
i am going with the ryzen 1500x
what motherboard would you guys recommend

I have had this PC for years. What should I upgrade. I haven't kept current with PC building stuff

>>60730470
What do you have now and what do you want to do? Cant help you without that info. Read the Op

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Hey /g/! What ~250GB SSD can you recommend within $100 budget? Less money=better.

>>60730451
If you have the budget you should up the CPU to an R5 1600, 6 cores 12 threads instead of the 4 cores 8 threads of the 1500x. The stock cooler it comes with is pretty good and most importantly it has room for any software you wanna have open while you run games, so no need to close anything ever when starting your games and in general plenty of performances for anything multi-threaded you wanna run, for only $220

Anything b350 with a heatsink is a decent motherboard. MSI B350 PC mate, Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING 3, etc etc etc. Just check if there are any features you might want (one particular audio chipset, specific number of USB / PCIe / SATA) in those, but no need to shell out more than $100

>>60730535
Something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yPbp99/sandisk-internal-hard-drive-sdssdhii240gg25
is pretty decent

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Just got my computer together and working! Just gotta wait for the extra case fan and 5.25" drawer I ordered now...

Parts list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/m9wjkT

Fucking Asus man. Spend 4 hours troubleshooting why my new build kept going to BSOD. Turns out it was Asus shitty 3.1 USB drivers. Never again. I blame you guys for recommending Asus to me.

>>60730594
Who recommended ASUS to you? Some intel shill?
They're shit, always been shit, and always will be shit.

>>60730684
Someone said Z270 is the best board for my build.

>>60730684
hey fuk u everyone is shit but asus at least has good UIs

Which external HDD brand has the best backup software?

>>60730728
I like Western Digital

new thread

>>60730842
>>60730842
>>60730842

>>60730284
Well there's also usually a windows installer but those at least used to be kind of risky. Dont know about now.

>>60730849
please don't make such early threads, this one is gonna die in more than an hour

>>60730928
ur gonna die in more than an hour

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>>60730953
please no

>>60730928
Move when you want. It was near the bottom when I looked.

>>60730997
>near the bottom
Bump limit doesn't mean near the bottom, page 9 does

Enabled XMP for my 3000 RAM and now my system doesn't post. Should I manually set it to something lower?

>>60731172
Yes.
What mobo & RAM?

>>60731192
Mobo is Asus Prime Z270-A
RAM is Corsair Vengeance LED 16GB 3000

>>60731240
If you haven't already then update to latest bios, and either try 3000MHz with looser timings or lower frequency with XMP timings

>>60731261
kk, thanks

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What should I upgrade?
I kinda want to switch to Intel.

>>60731347
What are the performances you seek?
We're not gonna recommend you to go intel if it's a worse choice for you.

>>60731552
Thinking about waiting for a 7740X, I got a 980 GTX to play MGSV and ended up being bottlenecked by the processor @52-60FPS :<

>>60731261
Updated the bios, and enabled xmp unaltered to see if it would work. Amazingly enough it did post now, though I still may lower the speed just in case, don't know how stable it is.

>>60731675
>7740X
Why? It's literally a 7700k with iGPU disabled & 100MHz higher base clock (boost clock identical, and the mobos for it will be much more expensive
And why are you aiming at this performance even? Do you have a 144hz screen?

>>60731677
You shouldn't bother lowering the speed, there is very little chance it is unstable if you managed to post. You probably could hit even higher frequencies if you tried.

>>60731761
Aiming for 1080p max settings everything. AMD has been a nightmare to get stuff to run on Ultra @ 1080p

>>60731807
Well yeah, of course a 6 years old architecture is going to have trouble running things properly
Doesn't mean that a 3 month old one (Ryzen CPUs) will, and doesn't mean that you need the best gaming CPU, though
The most popular gaming CPU at the moment is the R5 1600 for $220, you can get a 7700k but it would make no sense as long as you have a 60hz screen
i5s are almost always a no-no

>>60731873
I have a Freesync 75hz right now because it was on sale for like $140. Sometime soon I would like to go 144hz but I wanted to make sure that I wouldnt have to work about frame dips. I've never had hyper threading before, should I just look into GSync instead?

>>60731906
G-Sync is quite expensive, but AMD do not have any card at the moment that are good for 144hz. Hopefully Vega will fix that but who knows.
If you're not building now just wait for Vega release (pro card releases in end of this month & consumer card releases soon after that) to see if it competes well with the GTx 1070 & above cards

>>60731873
I was thinking of getting a i5 6600 awhile back as well, but it doesnt have HT

>>60731958
Don't get one when the R5 1500x & 1600 exist, those do have SMT (Hyperthreading) and the 1600 has two more cores on top of that

What do you guys mini ITX builds for high end gaming? I like to have the compact looks of the smaller cases but worry of the air flow since the parts will be slightly clustered. Looking to get an MSI 1080 ti and i7 6700k.

>>60732211
Why would you want to do it? Traveling?

>>60732243
Easy to transport and I just like the overall look of the smaller builds. I don't care about full towers with glass and LEDs, just something basic, sleek and compact. Something similar to the Prodigy Bitfenix case but without the handles.