Leaving Linsucks behind

>>60711433
Why is every other post a Microsoft shill post now? Are you that worried about Linux? I didn't read all that bullshit btw. You wrote it for nothing.

the only thing holding me on windows is games if wine ever gets it shit together decently or the games i care about move to linux i will never install this piece of shit again worse that it will soon be running a 3D engine at all times for the new idiot UI they are launching

I always wondered Pajeet, does the code of conduct policy at Microsoft mandate you to use the loo?

>>60711518
>that it will soon be running a 3D engine at all times
So it will be like compiz?

>>60711567
compiz is 2d most of the time and its not heavy as fuck have you seen the screenshots of the new windows UI?

I'm actually going to migrate to Linux and only use Windows for gaymen. Wouldn't want my terabytes of porn to get encrypted by ransomware.

>>60711679
dont bother unless your gaming can be sated by linux you will always end up spending all your time in windows anyway

How do modern radeon video drivers on linux compare to geforce drivers?

WTF with this Microsoft shilling?

>>60711567
isn't compiz hardware-accelerated in a way that doesn't put too much strain on the GPU by offloading a bit to the CPU? All compositors get fucky if you start doing shit like blurring.
also if I said anything dumb feel free to shit on me by telling me how wrong I am

>>60711518
Vulkan is our savior

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Please take the b8 faggots. It's not your usual shitpost to trigger the thin skinned idiots who try to argue against OP who is laugh at you every day because you take him seriously. And he is right despite being being a burning faggot, destroyer of boards.

>>60711759
ya except the one big game that uses it isnt on linux because bethesda is a bunch of cunts

>>60711697
Maybe, but whether or not I'll be able to adapt to a Linux desktop, my files are definitely going to stay on a Linux system. I've had enough with ransomware scares already.

>>60711759

Vulkan is another Khronos extension zoo in the making.

Application support for weird hardware will take ages, or probably just never happen (hint: developers have to write their own userland driver on top of it).

SPIR-V is a tiny step away from the pure hell that is GLSL reflection, though there is still much to be desired.

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>fell for linux on desktop meme
>multi monitor support is crap
>shitty multi gpu support
>randomly freezes up
>broken firefox packages in repos
>want convenience of a tiling wm, have to sacrifice other conveniences for it because replacing window managers in DEs is a mess
>sound doesn't work
>getting a music player to work with cue sheets
>no thumbnails in file picker
>some games work but have horrible input delay
>wine support is rubbish
>pic related
I use it on my home server though, pretty good there

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>>60711433
All this at the low-low cost of telemetry up the ass :^)

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>>60711433
>windows
>working

everyone knows that only poorfags use shit OSes

Linuxfags can suck this fat certified-UNIX dick

>>60711849
I'm curious anon, what distro was that?

>>60711866
fedora

>>60711852
Just use https://www.winprivacy.de and you're good

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>buy a console
>no use for a wintendo machine anymore
>install Linux
Truly the way games were meant to be played.

And shitty snack-sized indie games for on Linux as well, no problem with that.

>>60711885
>has to buy games
>cant just install freshly cracked games on his PC any more

enjoy your 30 FPS on your Gaystation lmao

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>>60711913
Pirates are cyber equivalent of niggers.
Stop being a nigger.

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>>60711879
Nice try anon. Telemetry is baked in. Completely blocking it off will brick your system. Ever your foreign vaporware has to let some connections through, otherwise the telemetry processes will do their damndest to connect and eat up the majority of your CPU.

>>60711913
> being so poor you can't buy games
> wasting your time with games instead of getting a job
man, you sure showed him

>>60711885
i have 2 consoles but never play either cause i cant play them and watch youtube at the same time on the same headphones so unless you know a solution to this i cant just switch to console

>>60711849
I wish a config like yours just to show some troubleshooting skills, but it just werks for me. Sad.

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>>60711962
>/v/edditor problems

>>60711962
Line-in.

I has one wii but kicked out of window after a heated up MK session. ;_;

>>60711992
well it could also be kodi or whatever but if you think just a game is enough to fully occupy me you are nuts
>>60712004
yes thats great and all but i would still need a way to feed both audio streams into the same headphones

>>60712023
Console -> PC -> Headphones

>>60712039
>no dragon dildo

>>60711959
>buying software

get a load of this freetard

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>>60711433
>Shit takes over 9000 hours to configure well, whereas windows just works OOTB
Maybe if you're retarded and tried to install Gentoo, sure. Any Ubuntu derivative works fine OOTB.

>chocolatey is a pretty okay package manager for Windows that works just as well as apt
lel

>Prime production software like the Adobe CC suite, Sony Vegas, Autodesk products etc dont work at all on Linsucks natively
Wine, VM, or dual-boot.

>Software on Linsucks is written by hobbyists that have no quality control at all - because the software is provided "as is", they dont give a shit either
Most linux software I've used it generally as good if not better than most native windows closed source programs.

>MUH GAMES are buggy and shit because of subpar quality drivers. Which company would bother writing software for a system with 2% marketshare anyway?
Wine, VM, or dual-boot.

>it uses more energy than Win 10, and the "privacy concerns" are quickly fixed with running one of the mutiple Win 10 privacy tools
>thinking an OS that was built to specifically datamine you can be stopped from doing so just by toggling a few switches and pressing a button
>he cant even prove it works either because Win10 is closed source and multiple other sources have proved it doesn't work anyways
Actually retarded. No wonder you can't use linux or just use Win7.

I try to use Linux but i always find something I can't do without scouring config files and editing autistically that just works in Windows. I've tried Arch, Mint, and CentOS recently. For some reason you can't _just_ install Mumble on CentOS, and instructions for open source programs I've found have a horrible tendency to be far out of date to the point the menu options or commands they talk about literally do not exist.

>>60711433
I've been using Linux full time since 2005. There's no going back for me now. I honestly actually haven't used any version of Windows since XP, I probably wouldn't even know how to use Windows 10.

>>60712146
I was like you until last year. Tried 7 and 10 (i just wanted to play MTW2 what i bought in a shop). 7 is comfy and boots fast. 10 is just an epic clusterfuck with a huge overhead thanks to the telemetry and whatnot. Both deleted, because it's really hard to set up them the way i like my desktop. Now MTW2 have Linux port so i lost my remaining interest in Windows. It's expensive though as every Feral game.

>>60712096
>Wine, VM, or dual-boot
>Wine
Rarely works perfectly
>VM
>dualboot
cba with gpu passthrough. And why would I use Linsucks when shit just werks on Windows?

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>>60712039
alright i figured out another way

its like this not sure if it works on xbone but honestly who cares? and will have to figure out linein on linux but it cant be much harder than anything else

>>60712345
Then use Wangblows if that's just werks for you. Other still can do magic with wine or kvm if needed. Deal with it.

>>60711433
I became retarded after smoking pot, so I reverted back to windows.

>>60712465
since this kind of "magic" is more like cheap card tricks compared to the David Copperfieldism that Microsoft Windows displays every day, I can very well deal with it. Have fun using Windows while not using Windows like a good cuck.

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>>60711433

>>60712350
alright im going to go test this in linux and see if line-in works OOTB

>>60712484
>David Copperfieldism
Anon...

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in what universe does windows "just work"?
I tear my hair out whenever I have to try to figure out how to do something

>>60711433
>What made you switch back from Linux to Windows?
I haven't (though I have dabbled with macOS)

>- Shit takes over 9000 hours to configure well, whereas windows just works OOTB
t. I never installed Mint or Ubuntu

>- Software on Linsucks is written by hobbyists that have no quality control at all - because the software is provided "as is", they dont give a shit either
As is... and still it's pretty good. Really makes you think, eh?

>´- it uses more energy than Win 10
wat
>the "privacy concerns" are quickly fixed with running one of the mutiple Win 10 privacy tools
No they aren't, didn't you see all those articles recently? The privacy controls do nothing. Group policies have no effect either (which is what those tools you're alluding to would use)

>windows just works OOTB
So why does stuff always come with Windows driver CDs?

>>60712504
and it works ith litle setup all i had to do was disable pulseaudio (big shock) and it worked like a charm

>>60712677
>pulseaudio
Yeah, pulseaudio is a cunt. I used to have a script I saved from a forum just to enable line-in.

>>60711433
The straw that broke my ass was video tearing and occasional systemd fuckups that throw my system into emergency mode. Plus grub sucks dick and legitimately just shits itself sometimes.

Still running netinstall debian on my server though.

>>60712731
and big shock i just plugged in my android phone and MTP works where it didnt work in windows 10 LTSB

>>60712762
That's not troubleshooting, just whining.

>>60712840
I thought that was the point of this thread

>>60711433
I don't even use linux as a daily driver but I think you're trolling.

> Shit takes over 9000 hours to configure well, whereas windows just works OOTB
So does windows, loads of 3rd party programs needed as well.

>chocolatey
Useless when you're gonna have to do it yourself for most stuff anyways

>no production software - True and same for games

>software on Linsucks is written by hobbyists that have no quality control at all - because the software is provided "as is", they dont give a shit either
Software for windows pretty much never comes with guarantees either, including windows itself. Troll point. Software for windows on the other hand is written by either codemonkeys or small teams of incompetent hacks, who both hide their sloppy code.

> it uses more energy than Win 10
That's up to you.

>>60712677
>>60712731
pulseaudio is a useless pile of garbage that's in the way

until you actually need low-latency sound over the network. I have a home server / NAS / firewall box that's on 24/7. I just connected that thing to my Pioneer surround receiver over SPDIF and enabled the ALSA AC3 output plugin and pulseaudio. It's nice to get surround sound regardless of which computer I'm using. It's too bad Android doesn't support it, I have to use pulseaudio's reverse Bluetooth for those (A $4 BT 4.0 dongle let's me use that server as a Bluetooth audio receiver).

ALSA and the dmix plugin is just fine if you have one computer with a set of speakers. It's rather limited when it comes to anything beyond that.

>>60711878
How is Multi Monitor/Multi GPU Support Crap on Fedora?
I use it on my Main PC and i have 2 X-Servers(one for every monitor), one with my Main GPU for MUH GOYMS and one with my second GPU for Web Browsing and Stuff.
It works flawlessly.
>but the rest!
5xWorks on my Machine
> not being able to click one button at the file manager
>Works on my Machine
true
> What i did with my Windows Product Key

my SSD is 500 GB
my drive i have linux installed on is also 500GB

would it be reasonable to DD my linyux install to my SSD? or am i better off reinstalling it?

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>>60713072
>How is Multi Monitor/Multi GPU Support Crap on Fedora?

No per-monitor DPI setting or awareness.

I have a 24" 1080p 27" 1440p 27" 1080p setup right now (with a 1440p 27" in shipment).

That's 92 DPI, 109 DPI and 82 DPI. Fedora really doesn't handle this very well. My "solution" is actually to simply replace the other two with 27" 1440p's.

>>60713173
I don't trust dd. Make a backup. Ext4 can be shrinked.

>>60713305
its less preserving the data and more being lazy if its easier to just reinstall that is what i will do but i want to dump windows for now

>>60711433
i still dual boot linux with win10 on my laptop. i tried linux on my pc but there are no drivers for my gpu so i get screen tearing when i scroll or watch a video.

>>60713173
You will be fine with DD unless your Partition ends slightly past the size of SSD. In this case you should shrink it slightly.

DD only from outside of OS, don't do it in the OS itself. Use LiveCD or bash from installation media,

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>>60711433
>- Shit takes over 9000 hours to configure well, whereas windows just works OOTB
Ubuntu MATE just works.
>- chocolatey is a pretty okay package manager for Windows that works just as well as apt
It's horse shit on top of horse shit.
>- Prime production software like the Adobe CC suite, Sony Vegas, Autodesk products etc dont work at all on Linsucks natively
Most of it can be run in WINE.
>- Software on Linsucks is written by hobbyists that have no quality control at all - because the software is provided "as is", they dont give a shit either
Actually, the biggest contributors to the kernel itself are companies like Google and RedHat.
>- MUH GAMES are buggy and shit because of subpar quality drivers. Which company would bother writing software for a system with 2% marketshare anyway?
GNU/Linux in general has better driver support than Windows. And Linux now has loads of native games thanks to Steam. Don't forget about WINE either.
>´- it uses more energy than Win 10, and the "privacy concerns" are quickly fixed with running one of the mutiple Win 10 privacy tools
Operating systems like WattOS take care of that and your placebo tools are all closed source. Winshit 10 will just reset all of those settings in an update anyways.

>>60711508
>>60711736
Microsoft is shitting their pants because everyone is still on 7 or switching to Ubuntu. They've tried everything from open sourcing Powershell to porting Bash to Windows and nothing is working. Nobody wants the built in ads and spyware.

The age of poos is over!

>>60711433
OP pretty much sums it up. Biggest thing for me was dealing with shitty open-source software....

I think the FOSS movement is cancer. I was totally onboard when I first heard about it, it's a great ideal, but IN PRACTICE, it's a steaming pile of shit. There's nobody to manage FOSS projects. Since the software licenses are so open, anybody can take a project and fork it which results in two projects that each have 3/4 the features they could have had if everyone worked together.

Not only that, but since most FOSS is produced by programmers, the program design tends to be utter shit.

Should anyone point out how shitty the software is, they'll be told to fork a new project and do the design themselves, since "this is just a pet project I do in my free time and I don't gotta take criticism from nobody". This pierces the veil and creates a singularity of self-perpetuating cycle of shitty software, where each individual complaint against the original software project spawns a new fork that resolves the complaint but lacks new features or has problems of its own.

So uh yeah, I'll stick to paying people to make quality software.

>>60713444
i will have to check in gparted

>>60713455
>Most of it can be run in WINE.
>using a windows compatibility layer because your own native software is just shit
>Lincucks are okay with this

wew.

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>>60713555
>being salty because people can run winshit software without winshit
Micropenis is finished. It's over.

>>60713467
I agree for the most part but the problem is easily solvable by merging changes.

Too bad that doesn't fucking happen.

>>60713593
he's jut pointing out how ridiculous is that you linuxfags think its a proper solution to a garbage OS's garbage problems to emulate software thats made for another OS.

>>60713555
> most of it can run in Windows Subsystem for Linux
> using a Linux compatibility layer because your own software is just shit
> Wincucks are okay with this
top lmao

>>60713724
There's actually more FOSS for Windows than for Linsucks :)

Stay mad, nerd

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>>60713739
Nice proof champ

>>60711433
>9000 hours to configure
you cant say that and then say apt a sentence later meaning your talking debian based which needs barley any configuration

>>60711433
DirectX 11
i7 isn't enough for a gpu passthrough VM along with the ability for the host to be usable
Ryzen still has fucked up iommu grouping.

I'll wait for zen2 to upgrade my build and go back to Linux on the desktop.

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>>60713765
how can one man exist in such stupidly stupid form of life?

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rip in pepperoni

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>>60713739
wtf i love windows

>>60713707
>devs don't want to support the platform
>platform gets supported anyways
Seems like a good solution to me.

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>>60711433
Oh wow, it's this thread again!
>- Shit takes over 9000 hours to configure well, whereas windows just works OOTB
It takes less time to configure ubuntu than it takes to disable botnet and install updates on windows
>- chocolatey is a pretty okay package manager for Windows that works just as well as apt
Never used chocolatey but it's probably shit
>- Prime production software like the Adobe CC suite, Sony Vegas, Autodesk products etc dont work at all on Linsucks natively
My employer gives me the tools needed for my job (microscada), I don't use that shit on my personal computer
>- Software on Linsucks is written by hobbyists that have no quality control at all - because the software is provided "as is", they dont give a shit either
Better than windows "freeware" with no quality control and no source code
>- MUH GAMES are buggy and shit because of subpar quality drivers. Which company would bother writing software for a system with 2% marketshare anyway?
>muh games
>´- it uses more energy than Win 10, and the "privacy concerns" are quickly fixed with running one of the mutiple Win 10 privacy tools
Sure thing buddy, I'm sure Win 10 "privacy tools" work just fine.

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>>60713455
>Microsoft is shitting their pants because everyone is still on 7 or switching to Ubuntu

I too see all the pathetic Microsoft shill threads trying to bash GNU/Linux - but I don't get it. I really don't.

I switched when Windows 98 was popular.

Do they really think that I, or anyone who's used GNU/Linux for a while, will magically switch to Windows if they make enough of these threads?

>>60713936
I can't wait for Microsoft to be over. Fuck all this privacy invading nonsense.

Intel too, to a lesser extent.

>>60713936
Yep, shilling against 7 is the best interest of MS, but memers only weapon against it is dx12 and planned obsolescence against new CPUs. BTFO

>>60711433
>>60711433
>What made you switch back from Linux to Windows? For me:
>- Shit takes over 9000 hours to configure well, whereas windows just works OOTB
Took me about 12 hours, worked OOTB just as well as linux, now it's 9000 times better for my workflow
>- chocolatey is a pretty okay package manager for Windows that works just as well as apt
Couldn't care.
>- Prime production software like the Adobe CC suite, Sony Vegas, Autodesk products etc dont work at all on Linsucks natively
If you're a graphics designer, fair point, if not, fuck you
>- Software on Linsucks is written by hobbyists that have no quality control at all - because the software is provided "as is", they dont give a shit either
You can a) use it as the dev intended or b) mod 1 config file and be fine (UZBL is this case for me)
>- MUH GAMES are buggy and shit because of subpar quality drivers. Which company would bother writing software for a system with 2% marketshare anyway?
Nothing for that
>´- it uses more energy than Win 10, and the "privacy concerns" are quickly fixed with running one of the mutiple Win 10 privacy tools
Need citation, sport.

>>60713936
I've got win10 right now and I can confidently say that as soon as I have my new computer it will be win7 and/or linux.

Fuck win10

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

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>>60714073
>new computer
>win7
good luck with that

>>60711433
thanks for chocolatey

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>>60711433

>>60714121
The only thing it tries to come close to the linux package managers is chocolatey but it's not a proper package manger because:
- The chocolatey packagers rarely packages the program itself, they just provide scripts to download the package and install it silently.
- There's not packages for chocolatey, they're just the same installers you download from the internet (.exe or msi) and are executed.
- They don't host almost any package, the script just downloads the installers from the source page. In this sense it works a lot like the AUR on arch except chocolatey doesn't provide the infrastructure to create managed packages.
- As mentioned, it only executes the installers but doesn't even knows what files are installed on your OS so if a program puts a non config file on system32 (for example) there's not any kind of guarantee the file will be removed on unistall, also i have no way to even query what package put that file there so unless it has a pretty recognizable name i'll not know so easily if it's a good idea to remove it manually.
- It barely manages dependencies, at the end most programs comes with all self contained and you'll have a lot of libraries duplicated a lot of times. Given that this also happens with formats like snap or flatpack, but at least they provides runtimes so the programs doesn't need to bundle everything each time! (ok, given that .net for example usually only needs to be installed once per version).

>>60714475
- It doesn't have anything that barely scratch the surface of something like synaptic. The chocolatey gui practically doesn't provide feedback to the user, if the installation of a package fails the process will just end as if it have worked normally. It even has uninstalled a pair of programs for me when updating because the default action of the installer if it detects that the program is already installer is to uninstall.
- The following can happen on linux too if the developer is malicious but consider that chocolatey runs as admin and the installers are also run as admin. ¿Why is this something bad? because on linux the package manager takes care of the package, the package doesn't executes itself. It has happened to me a pair of times but chocolatey doesn't help you to avoid getting thrash installed along with the package, as pointed the people that work on chocolatey generally doesn't package by themselves, they just provides links to the original sites.
- Also it's pretty common to get 404s even when the database is fully updated!

Don't get me wrong, for me chocolatey is a HUGE step in the right direction and i don't shit on it, in fact i recommend it to any person that uses windows. However pretending that it's "The package manager for Windows" which is how they call the project is something i just can't agree with. It certainly makes more bearable to use windows but it doesn't even come close to any of the popular package managers on linux or even to any of the self contained package managers like flatpack or snap.

>>60714475
>>60714487
Of course it's no package manager but it's especially interesting for unattended installation of new clients

I really like the idea of it. I used ninite before but the amount of packages is pure shit

>>60712782
were you using the N edition of LTSB?

>>60711433
>- Shit takes over 9000 hours to configure well, whereas windows just works OOTB
linux works OOTB too but it also gives you the option to change things
>- chocolatey is a pretty okay package manager for Windows that works just as well as apt
yeah it is pretty okay pacman is still worlds better
>- Prime production software like the Adobe CC suite, Sony Vegas, Autodesk products etc dont work at all on Linsucks natively
one reason why i have a vm with passthrough
>- Software on Linsucks is written by hobbyists that have no quality control at all - because the software is provided "as is", they dont give a shit either
factually wrong
>- MUH GAMES are buggy and shit because of subpar quality drivers. Which company would bother writing software for a system with 2% marketshare anyway?
>performance is bad because companies are writing shit software and that´s somehow the fault of linux
>- it uses more energy than Win 10, and the "privacy concerns" are quickly fixed with running one of the mutiple Win 10 privacy tools
factually wrong
go check it yourself
get a router that is able to log connections
use your "privacy" tools
and wait

>>60711433
I too am a very much hip teenager and want to be part of the Windows revolution. Cowabunga!

>>60711433
>Shit takes over 9000 hours to configure well, whereas windows just works OOTB
Blatant lie. Is microsoft getting really desperate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP9P2mwKHBo

Fuck off, shill

>>60711433
Sadly the only reason I switched to windows is
> it uses more energy than Win 10
I don't know why but in Linux I get like 3-4 hours for idle browsing while a solid 6 hours in windows. Maybe it's due to the superior drivers in windows which support good power management.