Intel HEDT

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>>60707821
NOOOOOOOOO

>>60707821
I'd be surprised if they sell a single one of those things anyway, with 16 core Threadripper being out this summer.

>>60707821
It's blatantly obvious that they had to pull their HCC stock out of their ass at the last moment not to lose face. Unfortunately, it won't amount to much as the HCC chips are inherently designed as low-voltage, low clock server parts and will flop as a consumer product.
AMD's architecture meanwhile was designed from the ground up to scale with core count while not losing much in the way of frequency or efficiency.
Even if you think about the fact that a prosumer "server grade" chip can be had for $2000 or less as a result, AMD will have them beat in that segment anyway as benchmarks will eventually prove, in top of the overall package looking more desirable.

>>60707821
God, Intel's panic is delicious.

The 18 core literally screams "ME TOO!!" but it will come with way too low clocks to compete with threadrippers efficiency, much less price.
And apparently it will be half a year late.

>>60707908
intel still has some serious mindshare. a friend i talked to would still rather get fucked by intel than buy threadripper because "it works better".

>>60708064
AMD has 5 years of poor reputation with Bulldozer to make up for, it's going to take awhile.

>>60708064
And I had a friend (that had a Pentium 4) that completely went fucking ballistic after hearing about the RFID chips and toothpaste in premium HEDT products.

Not everyone is happy to take the dick.

>>60707821
The 18 cores aren't even real they are just panicked and are desperately trying to offer some chip to counter threadripper

>>60708079
Yeah, telling people about the toothpaste TIM seems to have a pretty strong effect.

>>60707821
Watching the shit flow over interwebs is so comfy lol.

>Ryzen comes out
>Intel drops prices
>AMD announces Threadripper
>Intel announces i9 HCC with relatively reasonable prices
>AyyMD drops prices too
>Intel delays i9 HCC

fuck I am enjoying this

>>60708097
It fucking should, if AMD can solder $150 CPUs, Intel sure as fuck can solder $1000 CPUs with its 7 times larger revenue

>>60708108
Oh and
>Intel's usage of feces under $1800 150+W CPU heatspreader comes out

This is hilarious.

>>60708079
Me too. Even price wise I was prone to get one, when I saw these things and the artificial lanes limitations I said fuck no more.

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>>60707821
Reminder

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>>60708138
We have to pay for those fabs goyim

>>60708095
>The 18 cores aren't even real they are just panicked and are desperately trying to offer some chip to counter threadripper
They will give them to review sites just so they can technically claim to have the fastest consumer CPU. No where will probably ever be able to get stock reliably.

>>60708187
It won't be faster than 16 core Threadripper, the clockspeeds will be pitiful.

>>60708108
>>60708139
AMD can get much better yields than Intel can with their process. I wouldn't be surprised at all if many 1600 and 1600X out there in people's machines were actually fully working 8cores that were merely disabled to meet the supply needs, since they're selling so well and they still get such high yields. That's probably why they won't price Threadripper that high anyway, they can pump those out all day long at good enough frequencies. I'd say they're gonna have 2 versions of each CPU like in the R5/7 lines, one with lower clocks and the other with higher. There's already rumors of this being the case:
https://twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/870373386391891968

So basically, Intel is fucked. They can't compete with AMD's raw yields pumping out great CPUs basically all the time. They honestly should just see this one as a lost cause and invest all their R&D into a future process, but they won't anyway, because people will keep buying their shit, at least for a little while longer.

>>60708064
I just had someone tell me "Maybe you should read more of the comments on /r/intel". Think I'm going to go down a gallon of bleach.

>>60708194
Not if they're putting 220W through it, then it can come close to threadripper clocks.

And I believe that's the reason it's half a year late, they've already been selling 160W Xeon 18 core Skylakes, but they clock at 2.7Ghz.. Lmao

>>60708152
>1.76V to reach 4.5GHz
>140W TDP
Jesus fucking Christ Intel. That's fucking embarrassing. It's Bulldozer tier levels.

>>60708205
It would be rather ridiculous if they put out a 220w CPU that has zero OC headroom, but I guess it's just for show anyway, because nobody will buy it when it comes out next year and Threadripper has been out since this summer.

>>60708219
I don't know how they managed to make a worse 6950X, but there you go.

>>60708221
It is for show, the performance crown is important.

But look on the other side, what's stopping AMD from releasing a 24/32 core EPYC for HEDT at the same TDP?
Intel can't win the clock and core game.

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>>60708152
>1.764v

>>60707821
Nice misquote, faget, when the actual link says
>The 18-core CPUs are not scheduled until later this year. Won't have them for a while.

>>60708239
More importantly they can't put too much on their HEDT game because it will cannibalize their Xeon lineup.

Meanwhile AMD can do whatever it wants because there's a distinct difference between Threadripper and EPYC, and that's double of everything, I/O, memory channels and cores.

Both support ECC though.

>>60708267
I wonder how fast he edited that before others saw.

https://warosu.org/g/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=The%2018%20core%20CPUs%20are%20not%20scheduled%20until%20next%20year.%20Won%27t%20have%20them%20for%20a%20while.

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>>60708267
What is an edit button? This is so panicky.


And Google really works nice for quoted text, huh?

>>60708327
Damage control.

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High end only in terms of price tag.

>>60708138
>>60708097
Look I wouldn't put it past until to be completely shitty about using a shitty thermal interface, but at the very least I need the final product in my hands and delivered it to see if it's using jizz again before actually saying that it uses jizz.

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>>60708388
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_s_skylake-x_and_kaby_lake-x_cpus_will_not_be_soldered/1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Bv8Mxnnlc

Jizz, right? It's jizz.

>>60708388
Did you see that CPU-z live benchmark of a 10 core Skylake-X at 4.5GHz compared to a stock 6950X? The Skylake scored 5% higher while having 1000MHz higher all core clocks(6950X is 3.5 for all cores)

If that's not throttling, I don't know what is, unless Intel regressed in IPC by 30%, which we know is not what happened.
Remember that even the 6950X at 4.3 was throttling and using 250 watts alone and it was soldered, this is higher frequency and has mayo for thermal cumpound

>>60708076
id think they already have turned the tides...

when people are acting like having intel housefires is normal with a tdp that will most certenly put the fx 95xx to shame you know amd has already gotten a lot of mindshare back..

>>60708197

It looks like AMD's tactic of dumping all their fab is paying off. They can get economy of scale and tech from the chinks, intel are in a bad spot.

I wonder what will happen when AMD finally releases their unified core APU platform. That will be something.

>>60708197
>16 core at $850
That would be disruptive, to put it lightly.

>>60708404
Was that final, consumer product or was that an engineering sample?

Like I said I wouldn't put it past them to just use jizz again but I need final product before I meant to say it's using jizz.

>>60708413
At best I would say to an engineering sample, and also it's 300 MHz faster not 1000, you can tell me the turbo says 4.5 all you want I don't believe it is all core or that it sustainable. I also don't believe that the motherboard was going to be overclock boy in the same way our consumer motherboards would be and that it's not the right hands of somebody who knows what they're doing with overclocking in engineering sample motherboard.

Look I'm no fan of Intel and think they are going to dick over the customers as much is possible for the next 3 to 5 years until they get their new architecture out that can actually compete with what AMD's doing, but I also don't want to be one of those faggots who spreads rumors of it's a piece of shit and then it comes out being okay just so that shit I said can be thrown back in my face.

Now from what I remember from Broadwell to Skylake there was next to no IPC gain, in fact in some areas there is IPC loss. Depending on what the benchmark looks at it could be one of those areas where there was loss. That would account for, if what I assume is correct, that the 300 MHz uptick is all cores and IPC loss would explain why you only see a 5% uptick.

Also the CPU-Z benchmark is unreliable at best, it either benchmarks something that isn't in normal programs, or benchmarks something so insignificant that it doesn't show up in other benchmarks. At the very least to CPU-Z is weird.

>>60708487
>disruptive
It wold be a cataclysm for Intel and Christmas for buyers.

I say it will be $999.

>>60708197
AMD right now is getting about 80% plus yield off of their 8 core, now assuming that they been holding back of fuck load of really high been CPUs for their server parts in high-end desktop, we might be seen very few of their CPUs that they've actually produced out in the wild, and if they don't even consider those 20% that have a full-time them viable for their server parts then we got entire 20% of the lineup that made it to users and possibly another 20% in way of 8 cores. I honestly don't think AMD would just cripple and 8 core to make a 6 core, I think they would rather just sell the 8 core at a lower price at that point.

>>60708506
Uhh, anon, it was an all core overclock, followed by a cpu-z run, both the overclocking process and benchmark were on video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyz2gkyIoXI


It was 4500 vs 3500, this was utterly throttling, CPU-z is fine for comparing chips from the same family, not for different vendors.

There was also that geekbench leak where it was 5% faster than Broadwell
And that cinnebench where it equaled to Broadwell.
Even Intel's own slides put the 10 core 10% faster than a 10 core Broadwell-E, and that is mostly from higher clocks.

I don't know what else do you need.

>>60708513
In just terms of raw math they could put out the 16 core for $640, I don't know how much it would cost to merge the 2 chips together but they could be very cheap, especially if AMD just wants to stick it to Intel for a bit. But that would be the bare minimum SKU, they also have higher buildings and higher clock speed ones like they did with the 8 core.

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>>60708506
Dear anon, it's throttling.
I don't know what else to tell you, you'd need 3 rads and 5 fans to cool this thing at 4.5GHz-

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>>60708549

>>60708549
That's cinnebench one, here's CPU-z

>>60708152

>>60708549
Watching that video no shit it was throttling.
He has an absolutely shit cooler it
he then doesn't have a fan on it that's good
he has a fan on it that's positioned away from the heatsink blowing down which is not really optimizing how it's cooling it
and he's pushing a 10 core to 4.5 something that's just not, no you are not doing that, I read a fuck what Intel doesn't laissez put out a brand-new architecture they are not pushing the 10 core to 4.5

Just the way that was set up and how horrible the cooling solution was pretty much invalidates the results from this, you can't get anything out of it.

>>60708577
I just seen the cooling set up for the 1st time, Jesus fucking Christ he may as well of use the fucking's stock i3 cooler for all the good his retarded set up gave them.

>>60707821
Still comfy on my 2014 haslel E5-2699v3. Don't plan to upgrade until I can get a nice 64 or more core AMD for a good price, so around 2019.

>>60708152
This isn't even a fucking reminder, The Indonesian retard decided to use a a knockoff 212 Evo, not attach a fan to it, and overclock at the 4.5 like the fucking retard that he is.

I have no don't my mind 10 core AMD's going to kick Intel's ass, I also know don't my mind 16 core it AMD is going to kick Intel's 18 core ass, but this benchmark is biases all fuck and makes AMD look bad by using it all the time like it's something that's real, kinda like the Intel people keep using day one AMD benchmarks.

>>60708642
>use a a knockoff 212 Evo, not attach a fan to it, and overclock at the 4.5 like the fucking retard that he is.
Citation?
Not that I don't doubt a shit skin would do that, but it was from an official stall.

>>60708633
I would personally sell your Intel rig as fast as you could, get as much money out of it as humanly possible, and then switch over to Threadripper. You're likely to be able to buy an entire computer on just selling the CPU alone. I'd sell it now buying AMD 8 core then sell the 8 core once Threadripper's out you get it in your hands.

>>60708669
The evo has branding on it, the one in that video has no branding whatsoever so I'm assuming knock off, the fact that a fan isn't directly attached to it really makes me question if that was a legitimate stall. Basically it was set up in the worst way to get thermals up as high as possible, it pretty much invalidates the entire benchmark when it's purposefully throttling the damn thing. I can't imagine any other reason why you want to have the fan attached to the heatsink and less you're trying to purposefully throttle.

>>60708234
It's not proven to be worse yet, the only benchmark I know of for it was complete shit in the way they set up the hardware the cooling and the fact that I don't believe any reputable person is responsible for calls everything in the question.

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>>60708642
CPU-z bench is from another source, lemme find it.

http://wccftech.com/intel-core-x-core-i9-7900x-vs-core-i7-6950x-cpu-benchmarks/

http://www.bilibili.com/video/av10946196/

Also it had 4200MHz RAM, but that probably does shit for CPU-z

>>60708727
Well, even if if's the same, or slightly better, the fact that it's jizzed under the lid and you have to delid it (which is and harder than other Intel CPUs to delid) makes it not worth it. Even with the massive price drop.

>>60708732
I can see the cooling for one of those so throw that out the window, Intel's 10 core CPUs get hot as all fuck even though there soldered when you push them past 4, you're not using a 1 fan radiator or a single tower heatsink unless you are purposefully trying to create a bottleneck.

The 2nd link is just the aggregate of all the info we know about it so far

Everything about these benchmarks is called in the question, and like I said I have no doubt Intel is going to fuck this hard, but we don't have a single final product and the only situations where we see these things are and ones where you can't properly benchmark.

>>60708769
In all honesty I don't think that Intel would use jizz on their high-end desktop parts because they don't have that option to do that, AMD is putting out a very competitive CPU with amazing thermals, there's not a chance in fucking how Intel is going to put jizz under the hood for the final product. For the engineering samples sure they don't have the production line available/ready yet, so they're just getting by with thermal paste. I do not believe Intel is going to do something that fucking stupid, but at the same time I wouldn't put it past them.

>>60708612
The point isnt that having a better cooler can help it of course it would.
The point is that fixing the shit TIMs can and they are still using toothpaste shit.

If AMD was doing the same shit I would be shitting on them for it as well.

>2017
>intel still not saudering their chips
shiggy

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>>60708801
That's clearly not a weak cooling setup.

I'll say again, CPU-Z and cinnebench are done by different people.
Both were throttling.

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>>60708855
Again, more than enough cooling.

>>60708878
Maybe Skylake-X needs more cooling?

>>60708897
Yeah anon, I'll spend more on the cooling setup than on the CPU because Sir Intel felt the need to stick a RFID chip on their CPU instead of solder

>>60708845
Even if they soldered the CPU they would be hard-pressed to get it pushed past 4.2 GHz on all cores.

I don't believe Intel can possibly release the CPU with thermal paste instead of soldered, I believe that their only thermal paste right now because they're not a production model yet and it would be easier to just thermal paste and set of solder. I don't believe these versions were meant to be pushed. It can also be that Intel's doing this to combat people selling their engineering samples on the black market after they're done sampling them. That way the value that they may as he once held it isn't there anymore.

I wouldn't put it past Intel to use thermal paste, but that's like if AMD put a gun to their head and Intel said "wait wait wait, let me pull the trigger"

>>60708878
>>60708855
Okay that's a lot better than I thought it was, but that's still nowhere near enough to be able to cool one of those CPUs even if it was soldered. Even Broadwell 10 cores at 4.3 are pushing the limits of their thermal envelope, there is no way in hell a Skylake with thermal paste is going to come close.

>>60708913
Anon, if you need more than a two fan AIO for cooling a chip, you know shit's gone south.

>to get the best performance out of Skylake-X you need 3 rads and 6 fans

???????

>>60708913
>Okay that's a lot better than I thought it was, but that's still nowhere near enough to be able to cool one of those CPUs even if it was soldered.
The intel watercooler recommended is no bigger than a H80i...

>>60708928
>aios
>good
Pick 1(One)

>>60708910
Again these are engineering samples, I wouldn't put it past Intel to put a bunch of bullshit on their just to try and curb the secondhand market going forward.

Using thermal paste instead of solder, makes the chips far less desirable especially in the long run, how Intel could use the shittiest thermal paste they possibly could find just so that in a years time those things are useless.

Putting an RFID chip on it, that just makes the inventory easier to find out which chips are still on the wild and which ones got sent back.

We honestly need to have final consumer versions of this before I want to ascribe anything shitty Intel does to them.

>>60708928
Note dude listen to my fucking words, you are pushing the CPU to its absolute limit, to the point where it trying to cool better than that doesn't have an effect, and they're trying to do that kind of a overclocked I'm something that can't handle that kind of overclock even if it was soldered.

We need final silicon in the say if they using thermal paste because of an engineering sample gimping or if they're using thermal paste because they want to save a few bucks.

>>60708913
You know debauer works with Intel to make a deliding tool for Skylake-X, right? Why would it be soldered a few weeks later? They'd need to redo their entire stock at a different production line.
It's TIM'd anon, I'm sorry.

Maybe the HCC chips will be soldered, but those are Xeon rebadges and Intel doesn't solder Xeons since the don't need to as they run at low clocks

They actually saved 30 million USD from moving to TIM from Solder, let me find it.

>>60708947
Intel also recommends you don't overclock their K processors because of heat, so Intel can suck my fucking dick on what they recommend.

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>>60708963
Yeah he's actually selling that tool he used, isn't he? Also this.

>>60708670
Hmm sounds good actually.

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>>60708950
AIO's exist the perform better than your precious noctua. For $20 more you can get ones that same. But with a hell of a lot more justification of their price. Where as noctua is 2c's of plastic, a mobile phone vibrator motor, ripped off fan patents. And a few bucks of copper.
Stop overpaying for things.

>>60708963
I thought all high-end desktop and Xeon's were soldered, are you telling me they're selling you thousand dollar plus chips, things that should be running for years without ever shutting down and always be at 100%, without fucking soldering them?

Fuck me, AMD is going to completely take over the data center market if that's true.

And don't be sorry, I'm on AMD side with this one however I just want to be 100% accurate when we talk about Intel. I believe they're doing this to gimped the engineering samples, I also remember they made kits to delid Broadwell CPUs even though they were all soldered. I want to see final silicone before I make accusations they'll get thrown back in my face at some point.

>>60709006
Glad you think it's a good idea, you have a really expensive CPU that's about to be shit on entirely by new lineups that are significantly cheaper than what that CPUs currently worth.

>>60708963


>Lead thermal material MRB failure investigations & leveraged excursion management to implement process improvements at suppliers – optimized supplier casting & heat spreader plating processes (>$20M cost savings).

>Developed & qualified Halogen Free IHS Flux, Elastomer TIM & corresponding suppliers (including one brand new supplier for Intel that resulted in >$10 million savings).

Less than 80M, but certainly a large cost saving.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/40fe/11ccc30fcdac3d2c38cb65b42f112f040558.pdf
https://www.linkedin.com/in/carl-deppisch

>>60709008
Pump noise pisses me off anyway. I have all noctuas in my case and live on a quiet street, can't hear shit.

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>>60707821
>triple-ringbus 165w+ monstrosity won't launch until Zen+ is ready to fuck assholes raw and bleeding

>>60709037
>I want to see final silicone before I make accusations they'll get thrown back in my face at some point.
All that shitposting, lost .. like tears in rain.

>>60709037
Xeons don't need solder as they run at low clocks and have more than enough industrial cooling.
TIM is not only cheaper, but lasts longer, how much longer? 15 vs 20 years? Who knows? THat's what Intel says.

>>60709038
Losing customers is going to hurt them more than the savings especially in the long run.

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16/32 wasn't zen final form yet

>>60709037
Ill probably put it up for sale once I get home along with the mobo. Tbh the only thing that's holding me back is that I only play wow, watch anime and shitpost here so I am lazy to do all the stuff selling it and buying a new one etc. But surely its the logical thing to do.

>>60709076
Yet Intel cares more about savings and margins, this is a company that admitted that it would rather take a marketshare hit than a margin hit.

Why do you think that is? Because marketshare is easier to get back than margins.

>>60708913
>Okay that's a lot better than I thought it was, but that's still nowhere near enough to be able to cool one of those CPUs even if it was soldered.
Now you're being delusional a fucking 240 rad isn't enough?

>>60709080

16/32 is the 2nd form out of 4.

>>60709094
Depends on how many people switch to ryzen really, with the money consumers save by staying on the same socket among other things I can see people who bought a Ryzen CPU sticking with AMD for their next upgrade.

>>60709040
I got the h100I on a FX8350, only hear fans when I'm not doing anything productive. Apart from the ramp up's with opening X,Y,Z. Shits me I don't have control over the pump.
I'd pay for that option so I could set around it.
Will do custom next build. But AIO's have come far. Next gen of them should be damn near silent under load. Pump wise.
Fans will always be fans.

>>60709131
Intel isn't doing any favors to the enthusiasts with this stunt, even /r/Intel is pissed, but then again Intel is usually bound by their finances, potentiality canibalizing other products and margins they end up living in another world where bean counters run the company.

>>60709058
Keyboards kind of fuck and I'm using voice to text right now, didn't notice it's put silicone instead of silicon. Then when rereading it silicone and silicon are kinda close together and how they are written so I didn't pick it up.

>>60709063
Thermal interfaces work for at best 5 years, but if Intel uses jizz it makes a CPUs get hot and make you need to upgrade it faster.

You have to give me a source on them's using thermal interface for Xeon's instead of solder.

>>60709038
Is not PDF about why they moved this thermal paste inside of solder, not that they using solder for Xeon's?
Also I can't see the LinkedIn can you give me a rundown of what that is?

>>60709040
It is really fucking weird not be having my computer make noise, but now that I know how good noctua fans are they're the only ones I'm putting in my computers from now on.

>>60709102
Your pushing a 10 core CPU to 4.5 GHz, your pushing a 10 core Intel CPU to 4.5 GHz.

Intel's 4 core CPUs barely go past 4.8 before you need to do special shit to make them work, this is 2 1/2 times more cores. You need more cooling for Intel CPUs at that point, 240 mm rad is not sufficient, especially when you're pushing the CPU to the point where the silicon lottery comes in to play.

>>60709038
With TIM instead of soldering you can also use thinner (=cheaper) substrate, so the cost savings are even bigger.

>>60709159
Well I think it's a good thing the TIMs are shit in a way people are going to open their eyes more and start looking at intel more objectively. Competition is good and having the market share become more balanced is only good for us as consumers.

>>60709150
Honestly I just get a noctua D 15 and be done with it. That's what I did with my 1700, it's gonna be good for this CPU my next CPU and likely my next motherboard build after that. The fact that it cools better than most 240 mm radiator coolers is just icing on the cake.

>>60709187
Born_to_Jew.jpg

>>60709179
>Intel's 4 core CPUs barely go past 4.8 before you need to do special shit to make them work, this is 2 1/2 times more cores.
You need to do special shit to make it work precisely because the TIMs are shit.

Yes that overclock is high but watercoolers take awhile to heat up even that 240 rad should have decent temps for the first 1-2 hours.

>>60709237
The thermal interface is the 1st thing that fucks with you on their 4 cores, but once you get close to 5 GHz you're going to need a decent cooler, at least a 360 mm to keep those temperatures well below what you'd ever need to be concerned with, a 240 would be just good enough, and their use the 240 mm while trying to overclock a 10 cores to 4.5, know that is an even close to fucking good enough even if the shit was soldered that is in close to good enough.

>>60709269
The cooling requirements rules out any SFF builds, that's a travesty.

>>60709282
Only if you want to push at the 4.5, or past 4 GHz in general. Likely if you use it at stocking you won't need much more than a single tower cooler, or single tower equivalent cooler allowing for small form factors to be an option, but you want to push this thing to it's absolute max, no, small form factor is in to do it.

>>60709302
I'm more worried that Intel officially recommends water cooling as a minimum for Skylake-X, which leads me to believe the turbo boosts won't be worth shit without decent cooling.

>>60709216
I'm throwing money at it to ensure development continues. I know it's a while off yet. But quantum is going to require cooling that generates heat that will be needed to be dispersed.
Then there's that handydany warranty that replaces the value of my shit should something happens. Like a free upgrade.

>>60709216
I got a NH-D15-SE and a 1700 as well 3.95ghz @ 1.39v & 3600mhz 17-17-17-37. I moved from the stock cooler which ran quite hot for me (90c during OCCT stress at 1.32v) now it wont go over 60c at 1.39v and is much quieter.

Like you said there is only a few water coolers that outperform it in long benchmark tests (2+hours) the kraken comes to mind but it's also much much louder. I'm not really sure why everyone seems to be recommending AIOs there is quite a few good air coolers out there with 140mm fans that outperform them and are cheaper + quieter.

The only real downside is they take a ton of space and it can be hard to re-seat ram or something if needed.

TIM is actually likely better for the common end-user, actually. The TIM they are using has pretty extreme long term stability. And as many people simply don't care about squeezing about the best or even any overclock, it is probably the right solution. Those few that do care can delid and worry about having to delid again every year to maintain TIM performance due to significantly inferior TIM longevity.

>>60709346
>shitty jew cum is better than fucking fluxless solder
Holy shit kike get your shit together.

>>60709344
Except threadripper will beat the crap out of the 18-core due to lol 2.7GHz.

>>60709344
>2.7 niggahurtz
Oh gosh it's DOA.

>>60708558
I would actually be very interested to know how much Infinity Fabric and the interposer costs to manufacture.

>>60709318
I think most companies a recommending water cooling now, or at least the water cooling class cooler for their higher-end shit, I mean if you're going to buy CPU that powerful you're likely gonna buy an aftermarket cooler anyways.

>>60709323
I haven't gotten around to overclocking my CPU yet, I plan on doing that once the RAM is working at its rated clock as I only want to do the RAM test and the CPU overclocking once rather than multiple times for each BIOS.

For mine I'm honestly targeting 3.8 GHz, but if and when the silicon lottery I'll go up to 4. Really I got the cooler more for the next AMD processor or the one after that rather than my current one.

>>60709346
This is some really bad arguments I have 13 year old soldered cpus that are used weekly for at least 12 hours and going strong still.

>>60708327
>>60708292
You don't possibly think that just might be a sign that he miswrote and corrected it, rather?

>>60709386
It's fully possible that they're just connecting them through copper, and all of the hardware to connect them in actually use them together is all on CPU already, so if that's the case the interconnect is very fucking cheap, or at least very cheap compared to making monolithic dies.

>>60707821
Indifferent. I was never looking at anything but the 8-core Skylake-X and 1800X.

>>60708219
As opposed to Ryzen, which doesn't reach 4.5 GHz no matter what voltage you give it.

>>60709344
Reminder to report shitposters.

>>60709346
These are expensive HEDT CPUs, people are going to want to OC them. I agree it makes sense for like a locked i3 or something.

>>60709388
>I mean if you're going to buy CPU that powerful you're likely gonna buy an aftermarket cooler anyways.
I'm not sure I like this argument, think about the Ryzen lineup people are buying the cheaper lower clocked parts to overclock them and those are the ones that come with a cooler which can't really be pushed too hard.

Then the more expensive X parts do not come with a cooler but people who buy those are less likely to be overclocking since they all reach a very simillar limit there. It seems to me like the X parts should be the ones coming with a cooler not the other way around.

Same deal with intel people buy the cheaper parts and overclock them, as I did with my i7 920 then my 3820.

>>60709346
The thermal paste at some point is going to dry up and get worse, and likely worse to the point where you need a new CPU or to delid it. Meanwhile was solder, you could still be going strong many years on down the line.

The reason why they want the thermal paste over solder was because they don't want another CPU that could last forever like Sandy Bridge is. You could do this one of 2 ways CPU innovation where the newer CPU is so much more powerful than the prior one that there's a justifiable upgrade, or through planned obsolescence which is the route Intel took.

>>60709421
Ryzen has reached 5.3, the problem with the voltages of over 1.4 V is risking the chip, not that you can't go over it or you can't cool it.

>>60709464
That won't work when AMD is providing viable competition again. All it will do is push people towards AMD when they post on a forum asking why their temps are so high no matter what they do, and they get a reply that's basically "dried up jizz under your headspreader, delid it lol"

>>60709479
On how many cores? I doubt it was across all 8 compared to the 7900x at 4.5 across 10 cores.

>>60709371
>>60709383
>2.7 GHz

Bet Nvidia can reach there soon. We'll actually have GPUs at higher clocks than CPUs wow.

>>60709457
The really cheap AMD CPUs that come with the cooler are likely to be able to be pushed to the CPUs limit with that cooler, however I've also been talking to people and it sounds like OEMs are threatening AMD and Intel to not make good coolers. At least from what I'm reading that seems to be the case, the reason AMD's able to make their cooler so good was there prior CPUs required that kind of a cooler to even be the minimum, and these are holdover from those CPUs.

>>60709508
>NVIDIA going housefire route again
I doubt it.

>>60709507
All core overclock, granted this is also liquid nitrogen and it holds us CPU record for being the fastest in existence.I'm not sure if anyone did a single core overclock with Ryzen yet, but I'm not really paying attention to the overclock seen as it's kind of a dick waving contest that I don't care about.

>>60709344
Intel is dead.

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>>60709187
Also with TIM, intel uses less of their precious jew gold for soldering the cpu

>>60709508
Nvidia's getting close to the gigahertz limit that they can hit with their current architecture on current speeds that are 2.2 GHz where they can't go faster because something fucks up hardware wise.

They would need a brand-new architecture possibly push past that, and I don't see them pushing past Maxwell yet.

>>60709534
Apparently somebody counted frames on AMD streaming with dual Vega, it seemed like it was running at 180 frames a 2nd which puts it well above what the 1080 TI does, if that's true Nvidia's going to have to put out house fires again to compete. But this is speculation based on one person's autism.

>>60709414
>8-core Skylake-X
More DoA shit.

>>60709570
Considering Volta is Kekler refresh 2.0 with bigger dies and everything and they're already hitting the limits of Maxwell, they need to do something FAST before Navi comes and changes GPU market forever.

>>60709538
Well comparing a 240rad to ln2... not really making a good point there. The 7900x could probably reach an even higher core clock than that and it would have another two cores.

Granted it's also super expensive and I'm fairly sure threadripper will destroy it in compute value/performance which is the only reason to buy one.

>>60709570
How would they count frames when the only real video I seen on it was filmed on a potato camera that was probably shooting 30fps?

>>60709612
They counted screen tears@frame. Pure autism, lmao.

>>60709396
Yeah, he miswrote 2018 instead of 2017.
Totally not damage control.

>>60709597
If Navi can deliver what Ryzen delivered with the same techniques. A CPU is innerently different from a GPU, I don't know how well stuff like MCM's and IF scales in GPUs.

>>60709628
IF is supposed to scale up to 512gb/s. I mean if Pajeet really does that to CPUs the market gonna change harder than after g80.

>>60709597
That is only if navi is going toward multi die gpus, it would make a fuck load of sense to go that way, but its still in the air.

and as for volta, we know nothing consumer side, all we know is that enterprise they have special shit to accelerate machine learning really.

>>60709598
Not really making a point, just stating that ryzen is able to go a good deal further, it's just not a viable option while intel can't all core to that point no matter what.

The only real limiting factor for ryzen is amd telling us 1.4 volts is a chip risking voltage, most people don't want to risk a 320-500$ cpu for marginal improvements when 3.8-4.1 gets them everything they need, and with thread ripper, the few cases where 8 cores being overclocked further would have helped, just became obsolete.

>>60709612
by counting the tearing. >>60709622 beate me to it... yea, pure unadulterated autism gave us a rough fps count.

No one is going to buy the 18 core. Not when Threadripper 16 is only $850.

>>60709707
B-but MOAR C-COAAARZ f-f-fagget....

>>60709643
>>60709628
Well, the question isn't if mcming a gpu would work, we already know it does in the form of sli and crossfire, and we know when it works right it scales 80-95% efficiency,

Now if you sli and crossfire entirely in firmware and all the software treats it as one gpu... thats where amd has to do all their work. It is VERY possible to do, just making it work seamlessly is the issue. I can potentially see a single powerful gpu as a base, with auxiliary shaders and computer units being used when its compatible, and defaulting to just the single gpu chip when a game throws a shit fit.

>>60709667
Going for MCMed GPUs is the most logical choice considering how powerful and flexible IF is. And competitor has nothing to answer.

>>60709707
Im betting on 1000$ for it unless the price dropped and I don't know if it.

>>60709729
amd and nvidia both have patents for it, nvidia very well could be trying for it too.

>>60709707
>>60709733
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57838/amd-ryzen-threadripper-16c-32t-rumored-cost-849/index.html

>>60709733
Rumors floating around that it's $850 for the entry level non-X 16 core. BitsAndChips teasing it.

https://twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/870373386391891968

>>60709758
>>60709764

still rumor, interesting but rumor nonetheless. I want confirmation before I laugh at intel, and I'm a person who called the 1700's price point a year to year and a half before it came out.

>>60709758
>>60709764
>$850 for the entry level non-X 16 core
RIPtel, this is a massacre.

>>60709725
That's the real question when MCMing a GPU. The latency and distribution of work.
AMD has to make a fantastic work at firmware level.

Regarding IF, it might work wonders with CPUs, but again we don't know if it scales that well on GPUs, even when theoretically it does.

>>60709789
Their yields are so high that they can definitely get away with it, if they wanted to.

>>60709789
If the 1700 is $300 now then it's very likely the 16-core could be $850 at launch

>>60709744
The tricky part is the interconnect. NVIDIA is yet to develop something like IF.

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>>60709623
>>60707821
>random person from third party oem makes random forum post where he mistypes the release date
>HHAAAHAHHAHHAHAAHAHHAA 420 MLG BTFOD RIPTEL KIKSE SEEN ON SUICIDE WATCH DOA
You could also start by killing yourself.

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>>60709913
Your tears are succulent.

>>60709959
>ASUS USA
I don't see anything about working at Intel there.

>>60707821
What a time to be alive. AMD really made CPUs great again

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>>60709984

>>60709913
Later this year, next year, doesn't make a difference. Threadripper is going to RIP AND TEAR that shit a new asshole.

>>60707821
I sure hope Threadripper will cost way less than the 2k shekel 18c i9. The tears will be even more delicious.

>>60709993
I'm not even saying it can't be true, and I'll be drinking Riptel tears if it is, but this is beyond baseless rumors.

>>60709725
>It is VERY possible to do, just making it work seamlessly is the issue
That's one huge fucking issue considering how SLI and CF are in absolutely no way transparent and require specific tweaks and profiles for each game and sometimes require the game itself to be explicitly designed with compatibility in mind. All that and there are still cases where SLI and CF either are straight-up incompatible or provide poor scaling. Then we consider DX12 (and Vulkan) where multi-GPU is actually made even LESS transparent than SLI/CF and that the direction we're heading in now is to have the games themselves use multiple devices explicitly and it doesn't really seem likely that anybody at all will make a fully transparent, highly scalable GPU MCM.

It would be amazing if it worked, but literally everything we have in regards to multi-GPU requires specific and explicit support either in the driver level or in the software (game) itself. That's fine and all for high-end dual-card systems, but a GPU MCM would have to work completely seamlessly with perfect compatibility and scalability, it doesn't seem very likely in the near-ish future, especially since this approach also tends to go right against the design philosophy behind DX12 and Vulkan.

>>60710033
Rumors are it's going to sell for <$1000

>>60710050
>ASUS PR manager in charge of communication between companies
>baseless rumor

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>>60710071
That would indeed be FX 63 Pt. 2
And it would be glorious.

>>60710174
Threadripper also uses server socket. History repeats itself.

>>60710121
>random unrelated forum post
>random typo
>promptly corrected
Are you really saying that any of the thousands of people involved in the industry cannot make a single typo?

>>60709813
Oh no shit they could get away with it, but I'm also thinking why sell yourself so low, they're likely going to beat out Intel's 18 core why sell it for less than half? I mean this is one of the high-end desktop CPUs, a market where people are more than used to pissing away $1000 + the CPU alone. This would place AMD at below Intel's 10 core for 16, while they could do that and probably pull in a lot of profit they'd be giving up margin for no reason.

>>60709994
Someone needs to edit that comic to just have AMD's whole lineup be all the guns and Intel CPUs being all the enemies.

>>60709987
AMD's always made great CPUs, it's just sad that a lot of their CPUs were never high-end over the last few years.

>>60710058
I'm honestly thinking of it more like AMD makes a base GPU, and then through interconnects brings in that massive parts of the GPU like extra the rasterizer's, compute unit, shaders, and connect them up to the GPU through infinity fabric, that way they have a baseline GPU that can be put in every single thing they make, then they add more of what I mentioned before through infinity fabric attaching to the GPU. The question here is if it's fast enough to be seamless or if it's going to be a saturation issue all over again.

And up until now we haven't had a GPU go MCM in firmware, we've had at work through software. And I think that's where the biggest failing is because you're leaving everything up to software instead of making damn sure the shit works. But will see when navi comes out, this is probably AMD's best chance at going after Nvidia because AMD can bring out a full GPU lineup for consumers day and date, but this approach would allow them to have a baseline GPU and then at a fuck load a shaders and shit to it all it day one.

>>60710239
AMD brought 6-8 core to the masses, now they're bringing HEDT to the masses.

>>60710239
These things mainly sell to companies that put them to use for employees.
"Nobody ever got fired for buying Intel" AMD needs to knock Intel out, not focus on fucking margins.

>>60709790
This time last year, Intel charged more ($1000) for half the cores.

>>60710239
I guess it might be possible in that approach, though I don't know how easily latency and saturation issues could be handled. We've already seen in Ryzen that a full 4C CCX performs better than 2C+2C across 2 CCXs and a GPU has way more raw data that it needs to throw around than a CPU. It would however be very nice if they can make a hugely scalable GPU MCM design, but it needs to be the real deal and needs to perform in every scenario whatsoever, not like SLI/CF.

NVIDIA might also throw NVLINK into the equation, even if they aren't going for MCM replacing the slow SLI bridge with NVLINK could enable a different approach to SLI since it would no longer have to contend with the very tiny amount of bandwidth PCIe and the bridge provide, so it might work much better. A fundamental problem for current multi-GPU is that the GPUs don't have fast access to each other's memory, a very fast link between cards can mitigate that to some degree. This might also be a saving grace for GPU MCM too, I assume all the chips would share the same memory pool in that case anyway.

>>60710508
Will the main issue right there is that the CPU latency is tied to the RAM speed, infinity fabric is far far far faster than what we can currently access. Why they tied it to RAM speed is beyond me. But if they take that out in type to a GPU RAM speed, or even not tied to RAM speed at all, then there you go.

>>60710262
Not necessarily because they're still priced out of most people ranges, but you're not getting such a small upgrade that those increased prices don't seem justified.

>>60710591
It cheaper to scale.
AMD can run the IF at multiple speeds of the RAM, debug motherboards allowed 2:1 speeds
IF bandwidth is not important in most situations, especially in servers where there's little inter-thread communication.

>>60710591
I'm not sure exactly in which way it's tied to RAM speed, so I'm not going to comment, but if for instance they end up having to link it to HBM clock, which is what, like 1GHz, it wouldn't be very nice. But this is too much speculation since I get the feeling neither of us has enough in-depth knowledge about the design to comment about why it is the way it is in Ryzen or how it could be in a potential GPU MCM design.

>>60710634
I have enough knowledge to know where bottlenecks are and low hanging fruit, but very little on the architectural side. I know what infinity fabric can do theoretically, but no idea why its tied to ram speed or if it needs to stay tied to it at all.

I wonder whether Intel will copy IF in 5 years just like they did with HT.

>>60710659
>but no idea why its tied to ram speed or if it needs to stay tied to it at all.
Exactly my point, but it's a fair assumption to say that the engineers who built Ryzen must have had a reason to do that, they didn't do it because they were retarded. And they do have all the knowledge required yet that's the implementation they ended up building. We can't speculate as to why it had to be done that way or how it could be done differently without that knowledge.

>>60710799
my thought is widespread beta test, possibly purposeful gimping so there was an improvement in ryzen 2/3 or possibly ram is fast enough that the interconnect becomes a non issue, its just motherboards are currently fucked to hell and back because of ram speeds and bios.

>>60710831
I'm sure they were also aware of how motherboards perform, not to mention that all the high-speed memory is technically running outside of supported Ryzen spec so running it as high as that is basically OC. I don't think they gimped it intentionally to the point of significant losses to Intel in certain gaming scenarios when one of their leading bullet points for Ryzen was gaming capability. The press they got on release was fairly negative due to that and I doubt they did it on purpose.

>>60711444
they weren't really negative at all, just saying its not the best for gaming, which is honestly turning around quite hard as of late due to ryzen not being maxed 95+% of the time, it doesn't shit itself like intel will if something happens that demands a little of the cpu.

largely reviewers wanted 1 of two things, amd to blow intel away to the point you can't recomend intel or amd ot fall on its face so hard they get them clicks, so they got both, gaming being a weak point, everything else being a strong point out of the gate.

Honestly amd is banking on datacenters, not consumers, so having us be a test bed benefits them.
And motherboards on release... hard to say how much amd knew, as many manufactures seemed to have thought amd was a dud and that kaby lake would be the big seller so they focused on intel over amd.

>>60710688
Do they really have a choice? Ringbus is already proven inferior in comparison. What other types of multi-CPU setup are out there?

>>60709725
wasn't 295x2 a massive house heater that was recognized by system as a single GPU?

>>60711710
No, because AMD would be rich right about now if that was the case.

>>60711710
No, it was just two GPUs slapped into a single card, just like every other dual-GPU graphics card.

>>60711607
>Ringbus is already proven inferior in comparison.
Intel should've thrown that thing under a bus like 1/2 decade ago

>>60711710
It was seen as crossfire

>>60711710
No, it was just 2 GPUs on the same PCB with a PLX PCIe switch in between, literally Crossfire on the same card.

>>60709597
>before Navi comes and changes GPU market forever.
and as always, most consumers will buy Novidia. Though maybe this time it will be different because of machine learning market

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>>60707821
Doesn't matter, they're only there to show intel is still (and always be) king.
And they delivered.

crymoar amdoofus

Can they figure out how to solder a fucking IHS in that time?

@60711893 (You)

>>60711911
No, because that would require retooling their assembly and materials.

>>60711911
No, because saving a fraction of a cent per CPU is more important than anything else.

Coming soon: die and heatspreader seperate, add your own damn paste.

>>60711911
What? No, of course not. Why would Intel pay for cooling if it can basically force consumers to pay for it?

>>60711993
Nah, they'll just sell the die. Add your own heatspreader for maximum customizability and profit!

>>60709856
they could probably kludge something together with NVLink but it's going to be messy and not as fast.

>>60711952
I can imagine the beancounter convo already

>some of our users are dissatisfied with the thermal material in our new CPUs sir division manager
>so?
>we should change our interface material
>are you retarded young beancounter? Why would we change our entire packaging assembly, lose a lot of money on tooling and lose half a dollar per CPU
>b-but our users
>MARGINS AND TCO NIGGER

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>>60712022
Oh god, please no. RGB heatspreaders are coming, aren't they? Just kill me now.

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>>60707821
When will Intel sell those fabs?

>>60712156
Hypothetically let's say they do. Who do they turn to for manufacturing?

>>60712167
TSMC, Samsung or Glofo

Not much choice there.
TSMC for high clocking silicon(at least until we see how IBM's 7nm turns out) Glofo/Samsung for low power silicon.

>>60712167
GloFlo was once AMD fabs, they owned them.
So Intel selling the fabs would create another company or something of the sort, with Intel relying on this new company almost exclusively.

>>60708204
He is a redditor, can't expect him to think for himself

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>>60712120
The RGB meme really needs to die. Fucking designed motherboards need to die generally.

>>60711756
>>60711607
I know how both IF and ringbus work but what is the reason that ringbus is so bad? Is it to slow with interconnecting in general or with a lot of cores or is it something else like not being able to have multiple MCM's?

Just curious since I know IF is better but I just don't know what the exact weak point is with a ringbus appart from it being a largely shared rescource and not being able to scale like IF.

>>60713450
If you know how the ringbus works, it should be clear to you how it's not scaleable. The bus bandwidth doesn't increase with the number of cores, and the latency increases since every packet has to travel around the bus.

On the other hand, I'm not sure if there has even been any public description of the IF.

>>60713608
Thanks for making clear why everyone thinks ringbus is horrible design.

There has been some explanation to how IF works. IIRC each connection over IF has it's own bus to connect to every IF connection which gives every connection full bandwidth. This would explain why it's so easy to scale but I'm not a hundred percent sure.

>>60713714
>each connection over IF has it's own bus to connect to every IF connection which gives every connection full bandwidth
This sounds like arcane magic

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Which bundle's the best deal? Is there a significant difference between x370 and B350?

>>60713761
Well it was designed by the Certified Shit Wrecker who made magic happen more than once.

However I'd recommend you to try to look up the spec for yourself because I'm still not a hundred percent sure this is how it works and I don't want to spread misinformation.

>>60713778
There's little reason to get x370 unless you want Crossfire/SLI or really need the extra connectivity.

>>60713820
There are no IF specs. It's AMD's secret sauce.

>>60713714
>There has been some explanation to how IF works. IIRC each connection over IF has it's own bus to connect to every IF connection which gives every connection full bandwidth. This would explain why it's so easy to scale but I'm not a hundred percent sure.
There's literally no way that is true. Crossbars are impossible to wire for 16-32-core connections. If anything, it's probably true that the interconnect between the cores of each CCX is a crossbar, but IF is the fabric connecting the CCXs to each other.

>>60713761
It sounds like a full mesh, like an actual fabric. How they achieved sociability with this without ridiculous density is beyond me

>>60713853
It will probably be possible to deduce some interesting details about it once AMD releases the optimization guides for Zen.

>>60713846
Alright, thanks

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>>60713902
I know how they did it.

Honestly IF really sounds like some sort of arcane magic. How the fuck did they achieve almost perfect core scaling between MULTIPLE FUCKING DIES is beyond me.

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>>60707821
>it's gonna have Hellman's inside of it

>>60713944
>How the fuck did they achieve almost perfect core scaling between MULTIPLE FUCKING DIES is beyond me
It's because they didn't.
IF is a meme, it's latency is shittier than the Ringbus on higher-end Intel Xeons.

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>>60713992
Hello Brian.

>>60713944
To be entirely fair, we have yet to see how well it actually functions once you go beyond 2 CCX configurations.

>>60714044
They demoed Naples several times. Fuck, they even demoed Ryzen Blender demo with Threadripper. It's near perfect scaling.

>>60714088
>in b4 "it was fake!"

>>60713944
People bash Charlie but he's the only one I remember that actually went into some detail on IF.

http://semiaccurate.com/2017/01/19/amd-infinity-fabric-underpins-everything-will-make/


Speaking of the data fabric it will be wide, fast, and scalable. AMD claims low latency links, high performance common bus structures, CHT+ protocols on this side, multi-die, and multi-socket capable links. This means it will also work on MCMs like Naples to connect the four dies on the massive package.

IF signaling does not constrain topologies either, it could be point to point, rings, busses, meshes, or 3D structures like a torus. Since Vega is using IF in a mesh topology it probably will start off on the complex end of that list. How Vega is using IF,whether for to and from die transmissions or does it subsume the on-die unit to unit communications too, is yet to be revealed, but there is a big hint in the granularity.

AMD went to great lengths to explain how granular IF is, it is one of the technology’s key selling points. Like all modern fabrics it has a firware driven microcontroller but as you would expect, that doesn’t scale well. IF has scalability as one of its pillars. Instead of a single controller AMD broke up the control tasks into many tiny sub-controllers, one per IP block. That IP block bit is a bit nebulous but given how the speakers were talking about granularity, think shader rather than GPU, it sounded like they made it granular enough to have thousands of sub-contollers across a die like Vega, not tens.

>>60714088
No it wasn't. When they wen't from only 44 enabled cores to 64 on the Naples demo, performance only increased by like 10%.

>>60714136
Source?

>>60714136
It was Seismic Analysis, anon. It was memory bottleneck.

>>60714136
You know that was a memory bound workload?
If that software had 10 more memory channels to use, it would use them.

>>60714149
They upped the memory bandwidth too.

>>60714159
It's still memory bound.

>>60714141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15TcolqloKI

>>60714170
They upped it from 1866 MT/s to 2400. If it had "scaled perfectly", that should have increased performance by ~29%, not ~12%.

>>60714187
literally zero people said zen scales perfectly with RAM frequency

>>60714205
Begs the question of just in what way the workload "was memory bound".

>>60714187
18 to 15 seconds is 20%, anon.

>>60714219
15.783 to 17.691 seconds is 12%, Anon.

>>60714214
By being two to two and half times faster than the broadwell with double the memory channels?

Even Norad mentioned that people complained to him "this is a memory bound workload not a compute one that's not fair" during the FAD a few weeks ago.

>>60714214
The amount of memory channels (e.g: actual bandwidth) is more important than ram frequency and core count in that workload

is it really that has to understand what even that other anon told you, bonehead?

>>60714272
If it's bound by actual bandwidth, then it's difficult to see what the excuse is for not continuing to scale with increased bus frequency, though.

>>60714214
Okay, you can pretend anything has perfect scaling with memory.

Now explain to me how dual socket naples finished compilation in 15 seconds while single socket finished in 33 seconds?

The real question is, how many instances of Fizzbuzz written in Javascript can it handle before it runs out of CPU?

>>60714292
how much does memory frequency affect total bandwidth tho?

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>>60714298
>Javascript

>>60714296
That's actually a very good question. I've seen similar better-than-linear scaling when compiling with -j1 vs. -j4 on my Core i5 too, and I've been quite curious how that can be.

>>60714310
a lot

>>60714310
Linearly. The only thing it doesn't affect is latency.

>>60714296
Either single socket Naples was some lower TDP part with lower clocks, I doubt it.

Or compilation wasn't done in a serial fashion, but parallel with each socket doing different things at once, and that I REALLY doubt.

Nope, can't explain

>>60714327
>>60714328
be my guest and show proofs backing that

For scaling, AMD demonstrated 100% scaling in SpecInt2006, that's pretty much the defacto industry benchmark, fuck if I know why, only the gcc subtest is useful since it ignored compiler tricks.

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>>60713992
>Source: My rage filled tears

Why is AMD bullying Intel?

>>60714433
What are you even talking about? The frequency is what defines the bandwidth of a memory channel.

>>60714462
Payback.

>>60714462
Why was Intel bullying AMD and bribing OEMs? Now it's time for payback.

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>>60714504
>Why was Intel bullying AMD and bribing OEMs? Now it's time for payback.
>implying they won't do it again

>>60714519
Not gonna work. AMD is assaulting Intel in EVERY fucking market, from ultrabooks and 2-in-1s to fucking 2S server solutions.

>>60714462
Better question is why Intel is still allowed to exist.

>>60714519
The FTC is watching them, aren't they?

>>60714535
Because 6 million Jews were killed by AMD users.

http://www.game-debate.com/news/23001/first-amd-ryzen-laptop-surfaces-as-computex-asus-rog-strix-g702zc

Can someone explain how a 1200Mhz RX580 can have 65W TDP!?

>>60714560
It's probably not 1200mhz and cherrypicked bins. AMD never gives the best die to gaymen since GCN arrived.

>>60714573
>2304 cores and 1200MHz base clock speed, all on very low TDP of 65W.

It's base, not even turbo.

I don't know what kind of voltage binning magic is involved but a such a huge variation from 170W(desktop) to 65W(desktop) can't be explained by binning.

>>60714594
It's probably what Intel calls SDP. It eats 65w in downclocked mode.

>>60714620
AMD doesn't use any special kind of TDP variations from what I know, if they did we'd know.

Those embedded polaris chips ran <95W, so this might explain it, but I expected lower clocks though

>>60708541
But it's not just a matter of AMD deciding to sell someone an 8 core. It's a matter of someone deciding they want to buy a 6 core.

>>60709187

Except all those cost savings are thrown out the window, when you consider that Intel makes absolutely monolithic dies--which have terrible yield rates. Whereas AMD makes a single CCX and glues them together. They have 80%+ yields on each wafer for first generation Zen @ 14nm.

Zen2, on a mature 14nm will have even better yields; and Zen3 at 7nm will probably hit upper 90% yields per wafer.

>>60708961
It's worse than a 6950X, and you want to make excuses.

>>60707821
Holy shit the 18 core was just a meme so Intel could claim more cores than threadripper lmao

>>60716129
zen 2 will be at 7nm, zen 3 at 7nm+ (whatever that means)

>>60716130
Not even making excuses, Just stating facts that intel has a severe engineering sample leaking issue, what better way to make them worthless after a year then use the shittiest tmi, and track every single chip with an rfid so it knows when and where it left what building from.

if the shit comes out, and consumers get it and its still jew jizz with an rfid, we will point and laugh like never before, but until you see final silicon, or intel says themselves its final product you are seeing, its speculation at best.

>>60716157
Intel are on full damage control

>>60716160

Oh that's right. Next year, we'll have Zen+ on a mature 14nm node, and once the 7nm node is ready at GloFo, Zen2 will arrive on that.

I have to wonder if they'll merge CCXs at 7nm, so that instead of having a 4C CCX, they'll have 8C CCXs as a single die. And then using the IF, they can scale ever higher in core/thread count while maintaining their efficiency, power draw/TDP, and still get significantly higher clocks out of the architecture.

At 7nm, which is 200% more transistors, if they merged CCXs to get 8C CCX, would it be safe to assume that yield linearity would remain the same and if AMD is getting 80% yields at a rough 14nm, then for Zen2 with an 8C CCX, they'll still get 80% yields? On top of that, 7nm will also bring in ULV process, which is going to likely help in pushing yields and performance per die far higher (with clocks anyway).

>>60716291
there wasn't any mention about zen+

and seeing that their high end server cpu based on zen 2 is rumored to have 48c/96t, I believe they will increase CCX core count to 6, and keep all the rest similar, so that we'll see the same die count for 50% more cores

>>60713778
1700 and msi.
x is a meme.

>>60716291
I think creating 8C CCX all depends on how successful Threadripper and Epyc are and how much revenue they get from them. Also we have no idea of the thermal impact of 8C CCX.

Would be nice once AMD get in a more comfortable financial position for them to start having single CCX CPUs with fully functional cores so the Infinity Fabric drawbacks can be avoided but making an entire lineup out of the same CPU that is just binned is a good business model.

>>60716346
>msi
lol

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>>60707821
a
hhh-h-hheh just you Wait(tm) AMDrones

>>60713778
1700 + Crosshair VI

>>60713778
I'd say the B350 if it was the plus...

>>60707821
Thredribber is pretty gud, what shuld we do?
Make a bigger bingbus :DDDDD :D
Ebin

Your quad core will keep up. Refrain from shitting yourself.

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>>60716340

>6C CCX
>R5 1600 becomes a CCX

Good lord. AMD will effectively take their 14nm model and increase core/thread per model by 50%

>R3 1400
>6C/12T

>R5 1600
>9C/18T

>R7 1700
>12C/24T

And with ALL the low hanging fruit that AMD has with the Zen architecture that they can improve on, we'd probably see another 7-10% IPC increase on Zen EASY. Factor in the 7nm process and the fact that base clocks would go from 3.0-3.5GHz to 3.8-4GHz, across all cores, and we're looking at AMD basically shoving their foot so far up Intel's ass, it comes out of their throat.

>factor in the gaining popularity of Vulkan & DX12
>when toasters begin to run 6C/12T chips
>when midrange begins to run 9C/18T chips
>when high-end begins to run 12C/24T chips

>>60716487
This sounds amazing until you remember that ARM powered devices have been rocking 8 cores for years now. x86 is so far behind because of Intel sitting on their ass, it's still playing catch-up.

>>60716487
DX12 a shit. Vulkan is bretty fucking good but needs documentation.
>R5 1600
>10C/20T
Because CCX is always power of two.

>>60716509
>big.LITTLE
It's as
>8 goarz
as if Intel would've strapped 4 Atom cores into something like 7700k

>>60716523
I would buy an x86 big.LITTLE setup, but then again I'm probably brain damaged.

For whatever reason X399 boards look 200% less gay than their X299 comrades. Is this the power of A64FX reborn?
>>60716532
Microcucks sheduler would sudoku itself from big.LITTLE SMT cores. Bad idea m8.

>>60716549
only minecraft kiddies use intel

>>60716597
you need an intel processor to find the boss baby

>>60716597
Looks like even ANUS knows that. Compare relatively tame sleek looking black-and-white Zenith Extreme to any RGB gay shitfests on X299.

>>60716487
you forgot
>when HEDT begins to run at 16c/32t and 24c/48t chips

>>60716487
I guarantee you a single CCX will be 6 core come 7nm because APUs are made from 1 CCX.

And 12 cores is more than enough for AM4

>>60716509

>ARM
>matching Zen's performance

Nig, pls.

>>60716510

Aye, Vulkan is superior in every way. Needs more market adoption.

>CCX is a power of two

So then an R7 is going to be a 16c/32t chip with Zen2? That's gonna put general purpose gaming boxes on a superior footing compared to Threadripper of today, with Zen2 of tomorrow... Jesus.

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>>60716510
>needs documentation
Vulkan documentation is great. What are you on about?

>>60716633
and this will come right in time for coffeelakes mainstream 6 core cpus

>>60716643
>Vulkan is superior in every way.
In what way? Honestly curious, I know virtually nothing about DX12.

>>60716643
Nah, R7 will be 12/24 for Zen2.
>Nig, pls.
K12 says hello, friendo.

>>60716643
with 6 core CCX the r7s will be 12c/24t

>>60716643
Threadripper will have a release every year as well.

>>60716657
Werks on everything, supported by everything, locks nothing behind feature levels.
>>60716667
Well of course, it's 2-4 dies strapped together.

>>60716509
Yeah, it might also be related to the fact that the ARM cores are like a tenth the size of the big x86 cores, and also that they suck enough to not need a beefy interconnect.

>>60716671
>Werks on everything, supported by everything, locks nothing behind feature levels.
Ah, sure. I thought you meant the API design itself was better.

>>60716633
>12core 24thread
>24 pci-e lanes
eh i'll pass

>>60716704

Nig, same PCI-E lanes as current 1700/1800 chips at the minimum, potentially more. The 12c/24t chips will be the new R7s.

>>60716704
They can always slap more PCI-E lanes if there's enough free die space. 7nm GloFo is how much density increase?

>>60716704
They'll probably add a few more with 7nm and enable the 6 PCie lanes not enabled now on Ryzen.
So you'll get 36-38, and 28 after mobo and chipset take their toll

>>60716721
How, the chipset doesn't support any more and you'd need new motherboards regardless to support the additional lanes if they're on the CPU

>>60716643
ryzen is probably going to be bumped to
4c/8t --> 6c/12t
6c/12t --> 10c/20t
8c/16t --> 12c/24t
threadripper is probably going to be bumped to
10c/20t --> 16c/32t
12c/24t --> 18c/32t
16c/32t --> 24c/48t
epyc is probably going to be bumped to
16c/32t --> 24c/48t
32c/64t --> 48c/96t

basically 50% or more than zen "1" core counts, to avoid odd core counts

>>60716745
>chipset

Chipset is near useless on Ryzen, it doesn't even need it technically.
the chipset gives no lanes

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>>60716745
>chipset
It's more like I/O hub. Anything Zen-based is a SoC. EPYC uses no chipset at all.

>>60708602
8.5 kelvin

>>60716758
fuck, my bad, zen 1 epyc will be 24c/48t and 32c/64t, zen 2 epyc 36c/72t and 48c/96t

>>60716764
>>60716777
>advertise socket compatibility on AM4
>need to get a new motherboard if you want to upgrade anyway for additional lanes

>>60716803
Only IF there's going to be additional lanes. And nothing stops you from using old mobos.

>>60716803
Nobody said that, all the lanes come from the CPU, if you change the CPU, you get the lanes it offers.

>>60716803

>comparing consumer desktop boards
>to server boards

Can you stop being so autistic? Can you do that for me? Please?

>>60716803
but the lanes are on the processor, not the motherboard

>>60716809
But the motherboard needs to be designed to actually use those additional lanes

>>60716822
They fucking are, hence why there are TWO x16 slots, yet they work in x8 mode when SLIed/CFed.

>>60716816
Nobody mentioned server boards you retard.
>>60716817
see>>60716822
>>60716834
>CF/SLI
Nice meme, I meant for actual useful things like NVME drives and additional I/O.

>>60716853

This is a server board: >>60716777, dumbass

>>60716853
Why the fuck would you need MORE than two NVMe drives and 6-8 SATA on consumer boards?

>>60716853
What the heck do you even want? current motherboard to have more M2 slots that they can't use so maybe in the future they'll enable them?

>>60716758
>>60716799
fixed

Zen 1 (14nm) --> Zen 2 (7nm) (assuming 6 core CCX):

>Ryzen:
4c/8t --> 6c/12t
6c/12t --> 10c/20t
8c/16t --> 12c/24t

>Threadripper:
10c/20t --> 16c/32t
12c/24t --> 18c/32t
16c/32t --> 24c/48t

>Epyc:
24c/48t --> 36c/72t
32c/64t --> 48c/96t

Doesn't AM4 currently have 40% of its pins unused? Clearly there's room for a lot more hardware in there.

>>60716861
He used it as an example of how Zen CPUs are SoCs and hence the chipset is not necessary, you fucking idiot. Stop posting.
>>60716862
Same reason people whine about lack of quad channel RAM support on AM4. If you're buying anything more than 6c/12t you are most likely needing more than what a 'standard' consumer needs.
>>60716873
Yeah that was the only thing I could think of, I can't use the M2 and U2 slots on my motherboard at the same time so many a BIOS update could fix that if the CPU had more lanes.

>>60716853
>pcie expansion cards don't exist

>>60716912
I think it's more than 40%

>>60716912
Yes, it's 1331 pin. Fucking Gulftowns used LGA1366 and these had 32lanes and 3channel memory.

>>60716912
From what I heard it was over 50%
Even Intel has unused pins, but not nearly that much as they won't support a socket for 4 years.

>>60716921
>U2
That thing is actually used by someone?

>>60716877
and in 7nm+ they'll probably increase efficiency and/or clockspeeds for those things

meanwhile intel's new arch is scheduled for 1 or 2 years after zen 3 (7nm+) is released

>>60716982
Anything enterprise uses U2.

>>60716982
If you don't want to use the PCI-E slot and want to actually buy a non-shit NVME SSD then yes, you'll be using one.

>>60716990
The only U2 drives I see are from Intel, everyone else is putting PCIe storage devices out, even Optane has no U2 while it has PCie and M2

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>>60717020
Uh

>>60717051
My mistake then, still.. I only see Intel releasing U2 drives, certainly not Samsung/Toshiba/HGST/Seagate/etc

>>60717076
>Samsung
Shit
>Toshiba
Does anyone actually buy their solid state products?
>HGST
See above
>Seagate
Shit

>>60709080
>>60709127
64c/128t EPYC when?

>>60717880
That's like 8 dies and Zeppelin only has 4 GMI links. Not soon.

>>60716346
>x is a meme
But it's the same price

>>60708064
>intel
>mindshare
"no" at least nowhere near as much as nvidia