/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>60670164
Wtf is that shit in the picture

>>60670381

An Intel-branded AIO watercooler that's been on the market for years now.

>>60670381
Some old AIO Intel cooler that Intel is recommending for i9 CPUs, most likely because they heat a lot.

On say a $1500 build, how much should I spend fractionally on the components?

>>60670381
That's the AIO that comes with Intel Skylake X processors. Intel knew they made a housefire, so they gave you a pump and water to put it out.

>>60670164
2007 imac finally died, i use it for torrent. What to buy next?

Yo I just got a notice about an rx580 being in stock and before I could even checkout they were sold out again.

>>60670579
2008 imac

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>>60670381
>>60670408
>>60670429
That can only end one way.

>>60670579
You do know this is a thread for people who BUILD PC's, not people who buy pre-builts, right?

>>60670664
I know, show me a build.

>>60670681
well, what do you want? What do you need? Programs you use?
Do you want a Hackintosh? Or do you not want to be that restricted?
Any games you plan to play? Video edition? Music production? Do you want a plashy case? LEDs? A window to see the internals? Or do you want the boxiest non-descript box to ever box? And size constraints that would mean a mATX or mITX build? Do you need wifi connectivity or do you plan to plug in an Ethernet cable? What monitor are you using (resolution and refresh rated plz)?

And finally, budget. These are all factors t take into consideration.

>>60670732
>Video edition
*Video Editing.

>>60670732
It's for torrenting and shitposting. Not my only computer, it would be nice if it can transcode to h265.

No budget constrain or os preference. Should i get used x6 phenom or build a ryzen 1600?

>>60670838
>it would be nice if it can transcode to h265.
I know absolutely nothing about this and had to google it.
I THINK this build could handle it, but I can't be certain whether or not it will or whether or not it's overkill.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. It's late here and I really don't feel like doing research.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8swctJ

>>60671017
Perfect, Thanks. I was thinking a b350 would be ok.

EVGA CLC looks like the best AIO around now

>>60671090
That also doesn't include an OS. But I;m sure you can pick up Windows 10 or Linux for it somewhere.

>>60671153
Ok, also my friend offer his 780ti for $135. Is rx570 still better?

>>60671017
You're a moron. A Ryzen 5 1400 could handle HEVC transcoding. Hell, a Celeron G3930 could handle it too, and even a Celeron J3355. You got him a six-core shitposting and pirating machine that only needs 4 threads at most.

>>60670164

R8 my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bDDq2R

First desktop, hence keyboard/mouse/speakers. Using this for some moderate gaming and also tensorflow side projects. A big priority is that its fans are quiet and it stays cool. I have a 120GB SSD to cannibalize and put the OS on.

I'm willing do drop a couple hundred more dollars on this build, so what should I improve? Another SSD? A GTX 1070?

>>60671296
This is a pro-AMD thread
We don't appreciate your kind around here
Best if you leave and don't come back

>>60671313
rude

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>>60671313

I've used intel my whole life and am afraid of change. Educate me. Also I need cuda for research :)

>>60671338
http://techfrag.com/2016/03/11/nvidias-cuda-language-can-now-run-on-amd-intel-gpus/

>>60671338
The only thing you need is the noose

>>60671296
1600X will get you around 75% more performance in multithread.

How do I attach CPU cooler backplate? Am I supposed to flip the motherboard upside down?

So, real question here. I recently bough an i5 7600k, around when ryzen7 launched, because I didn't have enough money to grab the ryzen lineup plus 16GB of ram, and my processor on my older build (FX 6300) was dying.

I haven't had any stutter to speak of in my games, and most of the games run super smoothly. If I'm at 1080p and plan to be for a while, are i5's still shit? I keep hearing that they are and I'm not sure.

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>>60670732
I need a computer for Pro Tools on 2 displays with one audio card and a midi controller. Possibly 2 microphones, and a microphone preamp. maybe want to play games on this mother

>>60671296
Very little reason to go with an i5 these days, I'd recommend something like this instead: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PrzfgL

>>60671421
It should last you 3+ years. It's not as good in multithreaded programs as Ryzen is but it should be enough to run anything 1080@60 fps in next few years.

>>60671399
That's one way, yes.
Your case might have a hole in the back of it to access that area though.

>>60671421
They're not shit there's just not much reason to get one now that the 1600 is a thing.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mwGLXH
How does this look like? That MSI 1070 Armor is the only one I'm able to get so I'm not changing that.

>>60671443
>>60671445
Cool. Next I'll probably upgrade my GPU since its a 290 and it can't max some newer games like Wildlands, but at least I'm set for a while. Also might pick up a 4TB HDD since those are dropping and pretty cheap nowadays

>>60671391
Alright, thanks for bringing that to my attention.

>>60671428
Looks pretty solid.

What do you think should I spend extra money improving?

Between a Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 and a MSI B350 Mortar, who can drive a Fidelio X2 better? Also can they both support 3200Mhz Trident Z RAM?

>350 watt UPS
>350 watt

Don't know why I didn't see this as a problem.

510 Watts max. Plan on using 1600x, 580, and 4x8b 2666 stix (eventually).

>>60671674
https://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=Homepage_SS-_-P8_42-102-216-_-05302017&Index=8

Forgot to include link, this a good replacement for my currently shit UPS? Live in the mountains and forest with plenty of bad weather/outages so do have to use a UPS.

>>60671687
Wrong thread.

>>60671687
You linked a phone, not a UPS idiot.

>>60672041
>>60672117
It actually was the UPS, it changed at midnight, which fucked me over. Ah well.

I bought a b150 motherboard, and a 7700k. What's the easiest way to get the bios updated so that I can use my machine?

>>60672161
Ask someone to do it for you.

i'm getting a b350 mortar and r5 1600 next week

i've never updated bios i've heard that can brick your pc if you don't know what you're doing

can anyone give me a quick rundown on flashing bios?

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I'm planning on building a mini-ITX PC for long distance travel and light gaming when visiting family.
>Pentium G4560
>8gb ram 2400mhz
>Some mini ITX mobo with wifi
>gtx 1050ti or Radeon equivalent
>Fractal Node 202 with PSU included
>120ssd and an old 2.5in 500 gb hdd from my unused collection

Yay or nay?

>>60672244
What's your PSU? I'd personally get RX 570 4GB since it's more powerful than 1050Ti. Its power consumption is higher though.

>>60672321
The PSU comes with the Fractal Node 202 Case
>Includes a Fractal Design Integra SFX 450W power supply with specialized cables for the Node 202 case

>i bought a 1,6k$ PC
>all i play is assetto corsa with a shity dirving force gt

I should have bought a fanatec wheel and a cheap pc

>>60672336
It theoretically should be enough for 570 since Sapphire Pulse ITX 570 4GB requires at least 450W power supply but it would run hotter than 1050Ti.

>>60672448
>run hotter
That's going to be a problem since I was planning to take it to Mexico (far south near Guatemala) and it gets really hot and sometimes humid, but I'm not sure if that would effect the PC.

>>60672239
Just follow instructions and don't yank the power cord out and you'll be fine.

>>60672161
You could ask if a small computer store or repair shop can do it for you while you wait, it shoudn't cost too much. Otherwise you'll have to borrow a cpu from a friend or buy a cheap throwaway celeron/pentium to do it.

thread ripper can have up to 256 or 128 GB or ram?

>>60672477
I'd then get 1050Ti since RX 570 really runs hotter at least according to those reviews https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/dominic-moass/sapphire-rx-570-pulse-itx-sff-gpu-review/14/ and http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/zotac_geforce_gtx_1050_ti_mini_review,9.html.
74°C vs 49°C
However I don't know if they tested it in ITX case or not so final temperatures might be higher.

Boiz, boiz, rate me build mates. It'll be for indie/AAA games plus content creation in programs like Blender and Unity.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/brDZ3F

>>60672244
I'm doing this exact same build. Still dunno if I should go for the rx 570 instead of the much cheaper 1050ti...

>>60672532
128 with 16GB dimms

>>60672565
>indie games
you need at least i7 to run those

>>60672565
Unity is what throws a spanner in the works.
Everything else you'd best of with a 1600X
Given the weight of X to Y, you're still going to want a 1600X.

>>60672565
Whoops, you are in Ausland, didnt see that.

>>60672603
>1600X
Can you recommend anything specific?

>>60672605
Yeah mate, I'm shelling out kangabucks down here.

>>60672584
its 16 channels though, not 8 so i assumed 16^2 would be the answer

>>60672635
threadripper has quad channel RAM
naples has 8 channel on one socket, 16 on 2

>>60672565
get an amd cpu and a 1080ti since this is a ved build

>>60672647
16 on the dual cpu boards? right,

>>60672624
>Can you recommend anything specific?
Not that Anon but I got a MSI B350 Mortar with a Ryzen 1600, but Ryzen gets better the faster your ram is, which you should be able to overclock.

The Mobo and CPU I got are alright.

>>60672661
so basically even though intel is more expsnive for the cpu, the cost is side loaded into the motherboard and ram instead?

>>60670164
When will ATX PSUs die?
They still seem to be the standard despite SFX-L delivering 700w+ fine, which is twice as much as 99% of users need.
They are so big and bulky and unnecessary. Most else has gotten smaller, and while SFX exists it's not been adopted well at all.

also
>35dBA @ 2,200 RPM
my fucking ass

>>60672239
Having a UPS battery backup helps, just in case.
You click the button to update and LEAVE IT ALONE DON'T DO ANYTHING and hope your power doesn't go out by the time it finishes.

>>60672694
>When will ATX PSUs die?
Why don't you like T H I C C PSUs anon?

>>60672694
yes, lets make smaller psus and cap them around 600W for compliance... no one benefits here

i7-6800k are $475 AUD ($350) right now. Does that make them worth it over amd?

another day another wait for the rx 570 to be in stock

>>60672648
This is not the first time I've been told this. But you /g/ faggots with your Intel vs AMD war have me not knowing whom is Jewing whom.

>>60672708
Almost no one needs over 700W for a desktop. 1800X + 1080Ti, the two highest performance normal desktop parts you can put together, only uses about 350 watt on normal load, and 450watt at absolutely peak.

1600W PSUs are for 4 GPU HEDT render farms.

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>>60672624
Pretty much >>60671017 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8swctJ
But with a 1600X. They're the better option for non overclockers, and overclockers that don't want to play silicon lotto.
You can cheap out further on the SSD. I recommend Kingston U400's. They're cheep in Aus.
I have two in RAID 0 (not recommended unless you make everything raw binary as you're limited by unpacking via the CPU)

You did right with the MSI gaming X
Nocutra is overpriced as fuck. Any other cooler in that tier is preferred. Often $40USD saving for 2-3C warmer, and 5-10 db of noise. which is still very quiet, because of 1600 running cooler, ramp up in fan speed is no where near as often.
I've got an AIO. Corsair h100i v2 that is very quiet, only noisy under real load. and that's with a FX8350.

You're going to want higher frequency RAM, but shouldn't be an issue with the savings.
Check Ebay for a cheaper case. And you should be able to get a cheaper monitor, keep an eye out for sales in local catalogs.

>>60672734
>But you /g/ faggots with your Intel vs AMD war have me not knowing whom is Jewing whom.
who is jewing who
look at benchmarks, its so obvious for the price what you want

>>60672740
you actually need overhead but you are correct. The reason no one wins is then you have to develope for two standards with cases so youd need a modular design there. I agree with you though and have raised this point in the past. platinum slim psus that perform at 600w cant come soon enough. Its only cooling that becomes the issue if you were to go fanless.

hi /pcbg/

I'm looking to build a powerfull pc, the most powerfull one possible but i'm kind of having trouble to decide on the CPU i should go for.

I want this pc to have both the most powerful cpu and gpu i can afford/handle without too much hassle.

I play games but i also do a lot of 3d modelling work and while some of the programs are cpu heavy others require a powerfull gpu.

I'd prefer to go with an intel chip since i've always used intel chips and they've always given me good service - i trust them.

but i also don't want a chip that is too hard to cool. even though i've had machines that had were 'overclockable' I've never really understood overclocking nor have i any interest in overclocking, i'm happy to run components at their native speed (in my [ignorant ?] mind overclocking equates to reducing the longevity of pc components)

I'd also prefer a chip that didn't wasn't too hard to keep cool eg need fancy water cooling tech and so forth, but rather could be easily cooled using a simple heat sync and fan or perhaps one of those large heat syncs only.

so ive been looking at the i7 7700k and the i7 6850 K but they both seem to be hard to keep cool

so given the above what do you guys reccomend ?

is the 6850 K really worth all the extra cash ?
if you recommend the 7700 k what kind of cooling should i look at ?
any other options you'd recommend ?

>>60672819
i actually wrote a reply before reaslising this is bait

>>60672838

i'm serious dude. why would you think it's bait ?

>>60672851
I was waiting for someone to reply to you because you sound similar to me. We are bait brothers together, such big plebs that people think we're up to chicanery.

>>60672864
>>60672851
>>60672838
well i actually did control c it. Youre wording about trusting intel makes no sense at all, its a company thats fucked users over in the past so i dont see why youd trust them at all, and amd for that matter have been amazing and shitty in the past. Neither is to be trusted, buy the better product, not the brand. Theyre both x86_64

your spacing is really shit and makes your post even harder to read, especially since its not actually an essay. Wait for naples if you waant the best, thread ripper if you want the "best". 6850 is old news. 1800x gets 6850 performance in certain cases like compilaton.

>>60672895

while it may be true that intel have fucked people over, i am unaware of any such deviance by them.

i can only speak for my own experience with intel and i've always had a good experience with them while there were always rumours flying around about how AMDs were lacking in some way or another for as long as i can remember.

anyway, it's a moot point reallly. I'm sure there are perfectly valid arguments both for and against AMD. I, however have my mind set on getting an Intel chip so no further argument is necessary.

>>60672819
The last CPU that intel made which was worth getting is maybe the.. 4790k, 5775C, or 5820k.
Since those, they've just forced garbage down people's throats.
They fired their QA teams.
They fired their engineers.
Many other engineers that weren't fired quit.
Their CPUs from the last 3 years are just rehashes of their last good CPUs for way higher prices than they should have been sold to, and more difficulty to keep cool since they use that shitty TIM.

Just buy Ryzen. It fits your needs and it'd be stupid to get anything else. Even though it'd be nice if single core performance was 10-20% better, it's on a platform that's being supported for 4+ years so you can upgrade the CPU without needing a new motherboard.

If you really don't want Ryzen, well shit, no one can really help you can they? Because you're asking people to recommend you something inferior which they don't want to recommend.
The i7-7700 non-k tends to be better on thermals, so there's that I guess. But it's going to be half as good as a 1700 for 3d modeling and has higher thermals still despite half the cores.

>>60672974
maybe google it then. Rumours? as in shills? sure amd hasnt been the leader since 2004 but thats changing with ryzen and youd be a fool to remain loyal to any brand as you are. its not a moot point really, really a moot point has no difference on the outcome, intel vs amd has a big difference on the outcome

Yo, how does this ausfag build r8? I wanna play games, do some 3D modelling/level design and download/watch shit... and maybe a little fapping.

>Inb4 ditch the i7 or that monitor

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jjGPWX

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Hi /pcbg/
I'm going to buy a gtx1060/3gb, because I'm on the tight budget and I basically want a reliable rock solid stuff without bells and RGB LEDs. Which one should I buy?

>>60672974
> I, however have my mind set on getting an Intel chip so no further argument is necessary.

great, buy a 6950x and fuck off.

so you guys basically really love Ryzen ?

>>60673011
For a $2200+ build, there's a lot better you could do. If you want to render shit, a 1700 is honestly way better. Even a 1600 would match a 7700k in multi threaded tasks.

Also that monitor is retarded. Just get a 1440p 144hz for the same price.

>>60673011
>https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jjGPWX
>fapping
>3d modeling
>development
why would you not get a 1600 or 1700?
You can have twice as much porn playing simultaneously as on a 7700k. It's just plain better for non-gayming and still good for gayming.

another thing

two GPUs in SLI is still a meme, right ?

the performance boost isn't worth the extra money right ?

i'm thinking just a single 1080 should do it ?

>>60673017
>I'm going to buy a gtx1060/3gb,
Nope, we'd barely recommend a 6gb 1060. The 3gb card is not the same thing as the 6gb version. It performs so poorly that it shouldn't exist as there's the 1050ti to pick up the pieces.
The 3gb of RAM is also a big problem. Many games want 4gb no if's or butt's.
Get the 1050 ti if you see yourself upgrading in a year. Or a RX470 if you want it to last.

MSI OC cards are fine.
As for RBG ect. Very few cards have that. And if it does but is a good price, suck it up princess.

>>60673061
sli is a meme unless you're rendering things and in that case you should get quad sli titan Z's instead of gaymen cards

>>60673023
I love CPU that's not a stutterfest, that's cheaper and better, and cooler, yeah.
With Ryzen you can use 100% of CPU on all threads yet your IRC and browser and other shit doesn't lag. You can still use photoshop while rendering or compiling something. For some reason on Intel CPUs, something using all the resources makes other applications suffer. It's probably due to its slower SMT context switching. I like that I don't have to disable Steam updating while I'm playing because that makes games lag like shit when it's using all your threads when you only have 4-8 threads, but when you have many threads to spare it has no noticeable impact, so I don't have to disable Steam updating games while I'm playing one. I like how it's cool as fuck. Stays under 40C during normal use. Still under 50C at 100% load on all 12 threads. Some people's 7700ks fucking IDLE at over 50C. I live in a warm climate and don't need a space heater beside me.
I think you have to be retarded to get an Intel CPU. Any of them. They're just plain worse. Except the G4560 for mom, that's a good little CPU.

>>60673032
2nded monitor.
Why would you rob yourself of 360 vertical lines?

>>60673061
Ehh CF and SLI are both pretty decent now. CF generally a bit better. You can see 190% scaling in some cases. I'd still not recommend them though as sometimes it's only like 125%.
You'd be better off waiting for Vega2 or Volta, and selling the 1080 to get a better single card then.
Why do you feel your performance is lacking with a GTX 1080, anyway? If you're on 4K, you're going to see worse SLI scaling because the VRAM isn't shared. My 7970 still does 1080p well.

>>60673017
>>60673063
RX580s and RX570s are generally not in stock. Ethereum miners bought them all up and probably have bots to buy them the moment they get in stock again.
So a 1060 6GB is worth getting if ~<$230 and actually available.
The 1060 3GB is not worth getting at all, though. It's just shit.
Consider a used 390X or 980.

>>60673061
Yes, yes and yes.

>>60673084

that makes sense i guess. not sure i can afford quad titan z's though.

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>live in Latvia
>rx 470,480,570,580 are sold out or starting with 220 euros price for gimped one fan models with 4 gb
>gtx 1060 is even pricier even for 3 gb
>gtx 1050 ti and rx 560 are sold starting at 130 euros
It's like they want me to go for low end or be a true forum and pay 300 youroshekels for 580 or 1060.

>>60673124
*true goiym

looking to upgrade from my sandy era build. I already have 4x4gb 1866 ram and all the other components. Talk me out of using ddr3 when I'm limited to ddr4 2133 anyways.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wfh3QV

well thanks for your answers guys.

i think i might actually have another look at ryzen chips since you guys seem to love them so much. (you can't all be idiots, right ?)

just one more question - i don't have any experience with water coolers for chips - are they safe ? water and electronics don't seem like a good combination.

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>>60673063
>It performs so poorly that it shouldn't exist as there's the 1050ti to pick up the pieces.
Isn't 1060 performs at least 30% faster than 1050ti? I mean, I know 3 gigs isn't that much by today standards, but it's also packed with 192bit bus.
>upgrading in a year.
Not an option. At all.
>Or a RX470 if you want it to last.
Also not an option. Since AMD discontinued 4xx series local "miners" hoard every single 470 before I cen get one. And now it's only 570 and even cheapest model with 4gb vram priced like a 6gb 1060.

>>60673107
>I live in a warm climate and don't need a space heater beside me.
Someone doesn't have even a basic understanding of thermodynamics. Dumb fuck.

>>60673124
just buy a 1080ti you fucking pleb.
If you can't afford it go working.

>>60673214
no u

I've heard from a lot of people that the Toshiba X300 4TB is really unreliable. Should I just get a Seagate drive or something?

Pcpartpicker puts me at ~400W without peripherals, and of that 200 is my current 380x. What is a quality, reliable PSU with enough headroom for a GPU upgrade down the road without spending more than I need to?

>>60673023
because its good, we love the product not the brand.

>>60673238
look up the benchmarks, 4tb drives are more prone to failure technically because of the platters and what not, right now the 3tb seagate barracudas are the best drives in terms of reliability and life. In saying that i just purchased a 1tb wd blue, but only because i already have a blue so i dont want my drives to be mismatched (autism, not a reaal arguement)

>>60673257
>look up the benchmarks, 4tb drives are more prone to failure technically because of the platters and what not, right now the 3tb seagate barracudas are the best drives in terms of reliability and life.
Interesting. What about 5TB drives?

>>60673256
What kind of upgrade do you mean, generational, or within the same generation to a higher tier card?

if it's generational, you wouldn't need any higher of a PSU due to efficiency increases that come with every generation.

>>60673107
>So a 1060 6GB is worth getting if ~<$230 and actually available.
It's around 350 USD at local retail, and maybe 300 USD if I managed to order one from nearest country.
Anyway, it's quite above my budget.

>>60673270
Generational, yeah. My next will probably be a 1060/1070 or a 570/580 depending on my next monitor. I'm thinking around 500W would probably be plenty for random shit.

>>60673210
GTX 1060 3gb core count 1152
GTX 1060 6gb core count 1280
As you can see, it's not just the amount of RAM. So you're looking at around a 5% gain with the 1060 3gb over the 1050ti.
>not that many cores missing
That figure is with the cumulative effects of less cores and less vram.

>>Or a RX470 if you want it to last.
I meant 570* They're basically the same thing. My bad.
This gpu mining excuse is a lie mate. ASIC miners exist for $150-200 that BTFO the RX line.
RX's are just selling like hot cakes.

I own a 1060 6gb myself. It's fine at stock. But overclocking is also gimped to high heaven on these cards. Both in software and hardware. Even the chip it self have a controller built into it to gimp overclocking.
Overclocking a GPU is stupid easy. Look it up on youtube.
Seeing as you can't upgrade, you need more performance out of what you can get. Hence why the 1060's are basically black listed here.
And 1070's-80 ect only relivent as being the only thing in that perf range.

You get a lot more out of a 570. You can get away with a 560. But I'm not that well versed on that card.

>>60673312
You never want to cut it too close, I'd go 600 at least.

>>60673229
In general, I can, but I don't want to be memed into spending gorrillion green on the most juvenile hobby in existence like I was memed way back when gtx580 was the biggest gun.

>>60673333
Then save your money and leave fag.

>>60673267
it scales obviously but may be negligable because the technology is maturing. 4tb should be fine honestly but idk about toshiba, just check the benchmarks. Why do you want toshiba? is it cheapest? Remember with larger disks youll lose more data when (not if) they fail.

>>60673331
I see a seasonic 620 all the time on here, are those any good? I just need to replace the evga 750 that failed after a lightning strike, and I'm thinking I probably spend too much on it.

>>60673376
Seasonic is a very good brand with very good pricing.

Also, you just made me even more annoyed that the local store didn't have a decent UPS in stock. I don't want my shit to fry as well. Everyone should have a UPS to protect their computers.

"Surge protector" power bars really don't do anything half the time.

>>60673376
get seasonic. Do you really need 750W or even 620W?

>>60673355
>Why do you want toshiba? is it cheapest?
I got that drive recommended here before. I was thinking about the Seagate BarraCuda ST4000DM005 first, but the Toshiba disk is apparently faster and stuff. I don't really care about that, but I'm unsure if the Seagate disk was that reliable either. I found a lot of bad reviews of the Toshiba drive now though.

>>60673322
>Only 5% between 1050Ti and 1060 3GB
>768 vs 1152 cores
End your miserable existence right now.

>>60673393
do americans not have surge protection on/in their houses? here you cant even kill yourself with a toaster to the bathtub.

ups =/= surge protection, ubs is like a backup battery

>>60673407
15%*

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I really want to watercool my PC but I'm afraid of fucking up. Any tips?

>>60673376
for psu's id go only for enermax.. they have a long history and one of the best track records in the psu area
bit pricey but they dont fill their psu's with shits or led's
plus their 80+ and platinums actually ARE delivering what they promise

>>60673405
good resource http://hdd.userbenchmark.com/ . its not faster i think. Seagate bneing unreliable was from a past issue with mainly one drive due to a flood and seagate making a retarded decision. You should always backup your data anyway. go for 7200rpm drives, 10000 are too noisy and 5000 too slow

>>60673414
a UPS will save your shit even if some fag chops your power lines down and plugs them into eachother. It's the best way to protect your investment.

Also, nobody can kill themselves with toasters in tubs anymore because tubs aren't iron with iron piping and grounded and whatever the fuck else made that work.

>>60673322
Well, I guess 1050ti is my only option.
Anyway, thanks for your help.

>>60673419
Is more like 25-30%.

>>60673396
How low would you say is comfortable?

>>60673393
The circuit breaker contained my computer on a surge protector along with the monitor, and a router plugged directly into another outlet. It took the router and my PSU. (at least I hope that's all it took internally)

>>60673419
got to love how he insults you though

>>60673425
as do the seasonic platinums. this right here is shilling

>>60673425
Seasonic Prime Titanium is he best desu senpai. It has 10/10 jonnyguru.

>>60673422
Are you sure you need 9 meters of tubing?

>>60673465
I don't know, I'm just afraid of fucking up and needing more tubing.

>>60673450
Yes and no. Perceivable difference comes into play with my ratings. Think of a circle around you being draw distance. After X point performance gains need to triple before it becomes a notable gain. Just one example.

>>60673464
All hail Seasonic Master Plutonium. It has 9/11 jonnyguru.

>>60673447
speak for yourself about tubs. and a breaker wouldnt even stop it regardless because of the resistance.

>>60673456
what? comfortable
?

>>60673506
I have to agree with that though. Both cards can play at good framerates, maybe on the 1050Ti you have to lower the settings a bit but after all it would be hard to tell the difference.

>>60673464
titanium is the biggest bs. platinum is already fanless, you wont make your money back from the efficiency past gold

>>60673519
80+ platinum is pleb tier. Titanium or GTFO the fuck out + kys you're self.

>>60673523
A comfortable amount of overhead if 620w is too much.

>>60673538
It has additional features as well, at least the seasonic one I mentioned. Check reviews.

>>60673543
Every redundancy in your post is redundant.

>>60672733
This

>>60673479
30cm per join.
So:
Block
GPU
Rad
Pump

Pump to block: 30cm
Block to rad: 30cm
Rad to GPU 30cm
GPU to pump: 30cm

You do the math.

>>60673538
>titanium is the biggest bs. platinum is already fanless, you wont make your money back from the efficiency past gold

Spoken like a poorfag.

>>60673546
oh overhead. Depends but should be. Dual gpu will most likely run fine in 620w.

>>60673549
looking i cant see any different features. just more 8pin cables.

Does your PSU always use the amount of power it's specced for, or only the amount needed? May seem like a dumb question, but I've been looking at a PSU which has several variants of the same model with different power specs, and the price difference is negligable.

>>60673575
hey i woulda purchased one at the time if they exsisted. I got a ax750 only because it was fanless (mode).

>>60673663
thats a pretty dumb question but it only uses the amount needed (more on shittier psus because of efficiency). A 100% efficient psu will draw 100w if 100w is needed, a 50% efficient will draw 200w because its only 50% efficient and the rest becomes heat. note neither a 50% or 100% efficient psu exsist in this day and age.

are the 6€ windows 10 on allkey etc real? i need to cop a cheap win10 for my new ryzen

My current build:

>cpu: AMD FX-6100 @4.0GHz
>ram: 2x4GB DDR3 @1600mhz mushkin
>mobo: ASUS Sabertooth 990FX Rev. 1.0
>gpu: Sapphire r9 290 vapor-x 4096MB
>monitor: DELL ST2420L
>hdd: 1TB WD Blue
>ssd: 128GB Mushkin Chronos
>psu: FSP Hyper M 700W
>cooler: Cooler Master 212 EVO
>case: Thermaltake MS-I Commander

What's the next best step for me?

I was thinking about upgrading to r5 1600, getting a suggested mobo from you guys, getting a nice ram from mobo's QVL and selling both my ssd and hdd and getting a budget 500gb ssd that you will suggest me.

Thoughts? Advices?

>>60673731
Forgot to add that I will wait™ for Vega.

>>60673663
It uses a bit more, but not the full spec.
>>60673685
Dumbarse.
>>60673663
There will be components turned on waiting for power draw to come out of them. But won't use a notable amount of power to do so.
It's 800W+ PSU for a 400w system that are retarded as the effect stacks.

>>60673731
I'd say an secondhand cpu and new ram upgrade.
Zen+ shouldn't be that far off, and what you've got is fairly competent for 1080p.
Save for a 1440p/4k and a new system in a few months.

What graphic card should I pick for a 2D graphic design pc? I was looking for a low profile quadro but it seems a bit overkill. Should I go for a 1050 - 1060 (3GB)?

>>60673831
Bbbut am3 socket doesnt have good cpus...

>>60673731
Like the other anon said, I think you're good at 1080p. Next step would be a whole new system + 1440p monitor

>>60673942
I think fx6100 is bottlenecking my r9 290

>>60673716
Would also like to know the cheapest way to get a legitimate-ish Windows 10

>>60673912
I was thinking an FX8XXX. But am3+?
Fugg.
Still I think it should be doing well. But have a look for mobo + cpu sales on ebay.
Also a bigger SSD, that can carry over to a new system.

But if you want now.

Go a 1600X (it's higher binned, lower volts higher clock)
Any mobo with a vrm heat sink.
RX 580 8gb/ 1080 (1080 if monitor upgrade)
16gb ram
A larger SSD

>>60673979
It will to a point. But you're still pulling acceptable frames.
You can slap a 1080Ti Xp on a pentium, and it will pull more frames than if you has a GTX 980 on it.

>>60673981
Pirate windows 7, use loader, upgrade for free to win10 with the official USB image tool thing.

Then, if you want a UEFI install, re-install Windows 10 using the same tool and you will automatically be activated because your mobo is validated on their servers.

>>60674000
I'm a tard.
Never-mind the 580 recommendation.

>>60674013
Thanks for the tip, I'll look into that

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>>60673731
MSI X370 SLI+ is really good. Their SLI named boards have always been great

>>60673908
We have no fucking clue. Unless your 2D design is less than 8K graphics. If so, anything modern.

what do you do once you've reached the sata limit (6) for getting more hard drives?

How do you guys add Ryzen CPUs to your system builds? Can someone add Ryzen 1600x to this list for me so I can save it?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DcRKVY

>>60674421
I ask coz pcpartpicker only shows intel CPUs

>>60674421
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Mrv7h

but being real you need an am4 motherboard, youve got the wrong one kid

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>>60674431
>>60674435

>>60674431
>I ask coz pcpartpicker only shows intel CPUs
That's the compatibility filter, because you have an Intel motherboard it will only show compatible (Intel) CPUs

>>60674435
Can you put this one in there for me please kind sir? Also, how are you doing that? Sorry for being a pleb.
https://www.mwave.com.au/product/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-6-core-socket-am4-36ghz-cpu-processor-ac03308?gclid=CjwKEAjw07nJBRDG_tvshefHhWQSJABRcE-ZzoGN19-4BvIw1yMjIxaoINZjjerXDZ1uNpdMUGp9lxoCLxvw_wcB

>>60674447
>>60674435
>>60674421
for real i redid your build for you
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qJGPWX

>>60674457
dont get a 1600x unless youre a pleb whos afraid to oc

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QbxHtJ
the build you asked for.

I do it because im a site admin

>>60674484
>I do it because im a site admin
stop bullying newfags!

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>>60674484
>unless youre a pleb afraid to oc
Hello friend. I are pleb. Thanks for the build.

>>60674447
Fuck you mang, my Mum thinks I'm a cool guy

>>60674505
reply without an image if 16, either way i was sort of the same with my first build, being clueless and all. but i didnt spam /pcb/ non stop. Mainly because it didnt exsist back then so i made new threads instead.

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>>60674484
>noctua
Pic related
Anything else is much more consumer friendly. As in wallet.
hyper 212 or what ever is more than fine.

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>>60674417
build your own hdd case or buy one.
pic-related supports 8 hdd's.

>>60674527
212 is a 2012 cooler that is below average now. d15 is literally the best cooler right now (air). Sure pay less and get less if you want, the quality and silence is unrivaled

>>60674527
>hyper 212
For an R5 1600? the difference with the stock cooler is barely noticeable

>>60674542
sata {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{limit}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

>>60674545
x doesnt have a cooler i think, still 212 is a shit cooler these days

>>60673908
>2D graphic design
you don't need a 1060 for that but it's better to have an updated gpu anyway

>>60674484
Literally the only reason to get a 1600x is to overclock

>>60674543
>>60674545
>>60674566
You knew what I meant.
What's currently available for AM4 anyhow? $80 for an air cooler is robbery.

>>60673414
I want an UPS but, but paying $60+ for the 1 or 2 times my power goes out..eh

>>60674594
literally dude. but hes literally a pleb who literally wont oc.

>>60674605
no it isnt, d15 beats a fair few water coolers. get a d14 if your poor but considering hes getting a 1080ti build hes not.

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Fuck me I can't seem to find a place to buy this beautifull piece of engineering in my country.

>>60674652
ebay maybe? id buy you one and shit it to you but im australian so it will cost $115 AUD for the cooler alone

>>60674545
Tests have shown that the 212 does way better under load

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Which of these do I want to pick up?

They should apparently all handle 150W tdp, so it's just what's quietest for the price.

Hard to find decent fans in canada desu, kind of crazy.

>>60674871
>h7
>150w tdp

not likely

i7 7700k or r1700x?
I will use it just for gaming in Full HD. Next year maybe in 4k

>>60674986
7700k

>>60674986
7700k overheats, 1700x gets 1fps less in some games. Get the 1700x, cheaper and cooler

>>60675017
>unironically telling someone that is doing nothing but gaming to get a worse gaming processor

shill more

>>60675036
by barely a difference. It makes no sense to buy it, you wont be gaming non stop forever.

>>60674986
>gaming

If that's the main use of the pc then the 7700k is your best option.

>>60674996
>>60675017
>>60675036
>>60675044
I am confused now
Is the nzxt kraken enough to cool down a i7-7700k?

>>60675036
1600 is a better choice for gaming

Same singlethread performance as the 1700, cheaper. There's no reason to get a 1700 or 1800x if you're only gaming - they are literally all the same chip but the R7's have 2 more cores for better multithreading performance.

And by getting a 1600 you save like $200 that you can just put into a better gpu that'll get you more fps than buying a 1700 or 7700k would've got you

>>60675052
You don't need an AIO on stock speeds. You could get 100mhz oc on even the entry level air heatsinks if your case isn't shit, maybe a bit more depends on ambients and your individual chip.

It runs hot, no doubt, but it's not as horrible as they'd have you believe.

>>60675052
yeah but it still runs how

>>60675193
>>60675194
k thanks i think i will buy a i7-7700k.

>>60675212
why? it only runs better in old games and intel compiled games

>>60673731
get a ryzen 1600

>>60675052
yes but if you plan to go above hd the 7700k is shit, go for a 1700x

>>60675257
>above hd
yeah, those graphics are really tied to the cpu. stop posting you fucking shill.

>>60675257
You're joking right? The cpu has much less of an impact when the resolution is increased. The 7700k is his best option for 1080p gaming based on his options and this is an objective fact.

So, has anyone ever tried going for a pre-built if it's acceptable? What do you guys think of this?

https://www.amazon.com/CybertronPC-Palladium-GTX-Gaming-PC/dp/B01BDAYOSO/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1496239882&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=gaming%2Bpc&th=1

>>60675052
you are being Lied and Shilled to by AMD fanboys.

If you get an i7 7700k and overclock it moderately, you will be fine even with a good air cooler.

for Gaming right now the i7 is still king.

>>60675293
No, the 1600 is

>>60675438
2GB
>2GB
2 G B

>>60675458

Yeah, I figured. I wonder if a Pre-built exists that doesn't fuck you over.

>>60675453

Performance:
1600 + 1070 > 7700k + 1060

Price:
1600 + 1070 < 7700k + 1060

Don't fall for the 7700k meme, get a 1600 and a better gpu.

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>>60675453
>clutching at straws

>>60675438
>>60675458
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HJKXtJ

conversly same specs but over $200 cheaper. Why do you want prebuilt? its always shittier

>>60675503

I was just wondering if a good pre-built exists. But I could go with what you posted.

>>60675550
why would they? the companies need to make money and oems dont get stuff cheaper

>>60675550
>>60675581
also dont go with that build, its shit and only an example of price hikes

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qyYNHN

>>60675454
>tells us his options are 7700k or 1700x
>"he 7700k is his best option for 1080p gaming based on his options"
>retard still says "No, the 1600 is"

>>60675624
Throw in a second monitor and a few programs in the background and see what happens to your precious 7700K

>>60675657
>few programs in the background
Yeah, Discord and a couple of tabs in a browser will really kill your gaming performance. Fuck off back to 1996 with that you dumbass shill.

>>60675657
i don't even own an i7. i own an i5 from 4 years ago and funnily enough, i do have a second monitor and i can run intensive games like hitman at over 100 fps with chrome and other shit running in the back and no issues whatsoever. the 1600 is a good cpu but fuck off with this nonsense that i7's or even i5's can't do anything anymore.

>>60675604

I'll go with that. I'm getting into the pc building thing and I was just wondering what do I pick to play today's games.

>>60675701
budget? if its much higher than what i posted maybe switch to a 580 (gpu)

>>60675740

I mean, that's gonna be my budget right there. I'm fine with that until I need to upgrade later on. I'm just starting out.

>>60675773
for which one (the intel 1050 or amd 1050ti)? If this amd 1050ti its a good build that should last quite some time

>>60675812
is this bait?

>>60675828
is this a meme? the 1050 wont even be good enough for modern games, the other system will play high for about 2, then work for a few more years after that.

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>>60675812

>>60675837
never mind i thought you were saying the 1050 was an intel gpu. i didn't realize you meant intel + 1050.
anyway for $800 you can get a 1600+1070 build.

>>60675812

I'm talking about the build.

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>>60675862
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

What is this, an AMD building general?

>>60675862
im aware, he said his budgets below that though. Im guessing you read amd as and or something

>>60675868
i posted two, 1050 is shit remember that, 1050ti is alright

>>60675885
cheaper, better faster stronger (cooler!)

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>>60675885
It became that way as details and fixes happened. Go via the archives and you'll see the evolution of the recommendations.

>>60675471
price to performance isnt what im talking about in my post.

im countering the disinformation of overheating cpus. i doubt a person new to pcs is going to push the cpu hard enough to have heat be an issue.

for games the i7-7700k has the best performance

with moderate overclocking, like sub 5ghz, an AIO should do fine.

>i7 7700k or r1700x?
>I will use it just for gaming in Full HD. Next year maybe in 4k

Performance is what they are asking about.

Will this pc be able to run new games at 60 fps on 1080 I have never built a pc before so I don't really know what to do.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Ayz/saved/MbRWZL

>>60675929
>>60675885
before ryzen you would have said nothing when it was intel only thread.

>>60675993
yeah because Intel was actually objectively better. Ryzen is a sidegrade.

>>60675951
>Performance is what they are asking about.
And the answer is: Buy a 1600 and use the money you saved to get a better GPU than you could if you bought a 7700k

There, not only does he save money, he gets more performance than going with the 7700k.

>>60675979
Epic troll, dude.

>>60676086
Lower power consumption, double the multithreading performance, better temperatures, soldered, and extremely active microcode updates and support
Ryzen is not "a sidegrade" unless the only thing you're looking at is gaming.

>>60676124
>extremely active microcode updates and support
releasing a broken product and then panicking to fix it is not a plus you dumb faggot

>>60675979
fixed.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xxygcc

>>60676107
Why is it bad? I thought higher clock speeds were good? And isn't the 1080 the best gaming card now? What could I change to make it better

>>60676090
youre assuming money is an issue.

so lets be completely anal.

they said full HD. so lets say 1080p gaming is all they want for current games. we could go with an i3 or old FX cpu sub $100 and pair it with an RX480 or Gtx1060. pretty much an i5 in that past 5 years. Throw 8-16gb of inexpensive ram ddr3-4.

if gaming is all they will do we can go balls to the wall Inexpensive.

>>60676143
>I thought higher clock speeds were good?
This is how AMD marketed themselves almost into the grave by releasing shitty processors, allowing Intel to take over almost the entire market. this only changed recently with Ryzen.

>>60676143
The CPU is underpowered, even for a GTX 1050Ti. The 1080 GPU is massive overkill. That's for if you have a 4k screen.
And if you're going to toss in an optical drive, at least get one with the ability to read blu rays.

>>60676135
Intel's "i" series went through the same thing dipshit, it's a new arch

>>60676136
>480
>$1000 build

>>60676231
No it didn't. My i7 920 was as good at release date as it is now.

>>60676237
meh. You could add a 1070, but it's overkill.

>>60676179
So should I get a ryzen then? Or is Intel a better choice?
>>60676180
If I get a different processor should I still downgrade the gpu I don't have a 4k monitor

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>>60670164
what the fuck am i looking at

is this real?

Guys, how should I apply my thermal paste? It's a Ryzen 5 and I was thinking about just putting a small bb sized blip on the middle but a friend said that it's not an efficient way.
Pls help

>>60676366
What do you want to do with your computer? Purely gaming? 7700k or wait for the 7740x but that'll come with a more expensive mobo most likely.

Mixed use? Ryzen.

>>60676391
make an x

its better if its spread out

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I'm not /g/ at all.

I just switched my CPU and now I got no screen anymore. The monitor says no signal detected. I don't get any error noises either. When I put my ram out, I do get an error sound, though. I already tried resetting the bios by leaving the battery out for a few seconds. No change. It's not working with the old CPU anymore either.

>>60676484
Did you bend any pins on either the CPU (if it has them. AMD is famous for this) or on the motherboard (Intel does this)
If the answer is year, you bent pins or removed any, then congratulations. You've killed your computer.

>>60676550
I wouldn't say so, no.

>>60676484
If not, it's a dead mobo. Happens when you fuck something up.
Check the error codes with that of the motherboard manual.

>>60676601
I don't get error codes unless I put the ram out.

>>60676484
Oh, and the long shot, being the PSU.
If you did this to a prebuilt, you may have over drawn from it.

>>60676484
Did you plug all the cables in all the way? Maybe you dislodged the GPU or the GPU power slightly when you changed the CPU? Those are some stupid errors that I could've made.

>>60676725
They should be back in, the fan of my gpu is running too.

Time for a new main board?

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What's wrong with my monitor?

>>60676251
Some of the old motherboards STILL don't work with 2600+ RAM

You're clueless

And it took intel YEARS to sort that shit out, AMD's been doing it in months.

>>60676822
physical damage

are hard drives fine verically mpunted?

>>60676914
should do.

Just issued a return on my unopened 7700k and z270 board so I can buy the 7820x, AMA.

>>60677230
Why did you do such a stupid thing?
Are you not aware of how pricy the motherboards are gonna be? An overclocked R7 1700 + b350 motherboard would give very close if not identical performances, for a much lower price.

>>60677344
android sdk is shit on amd, the emulator doesnt work. also games still run better on intel

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Are there any decent fan controllers which one should I buy? Red pill me on nzxt does it really sucks?

>>60677433
get the lamptron but seriously fan controllers? let the system control them.

>>60677367
>games still run better on intel
barely. The difference isn't really noticeable.

>>60677464
Many motherboards still skimp on fan headers, unfortunately.

>>60677230
How awesome is your build going to be?

>>60676251

>x99 bricking

Gee willikers anon, have you tried not being retarded?

>>60677526
i guess so, but dont fall for the fans / gaymur meme. the lamptron is better because of physical switches and quality.

>>60677567
>Gee willikers
Did you try to write "Gee" but autocorrect put dutch words instead?
You are bad. BAD!

>>60677464
Can't my mb only has one sys header I tried a splitter once and almost blown the header I'll go for the lamptron one I guess I was right.
>>60677571
When you live in a country that is always 34C you'll understand.

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Is this parts list any good ?
What can I cheap on to get under 1500€ ?

Will be used for coding/rendering and muh games, also a >=5 years lifespan would be nice.

>>60677659
get a 1700

>>60677513
>isn't really noticeable
>20 fps differences

pajeet...

>>60677674
The 1700 is more expensive than the 7700k, just as the AM4 motherboards, in France

>>60677697

>RoTTR

That got patched.

lads what should I get for 1080p 144hz gaymen, a 1070 or a 580

>>60677629
brazil? i can relate, im Australian so 47c summers are p dece. fans wont cool that much, your better of with reverse cycle refrigerated cooling, thougg of course its expensive starting at 1k for one room and about 10k for a house

>>60677766
I doubt an R7 1700 would be a good choice for you anyway but no, an R7 1700 in total doesn't cost more because it doesn't need a cooler and i'm fairly sure you don't need as good VRM on the motherboard to run the R7 1700 as the 7700k is clocked much much higher

What's the usage of the computer

>>60677659
Nah it's all fine.
My only concern is the power supply.
It's got enough power but i've never heard of the brand so i'm not sure about it's reliability.

>>60677801
ideally a 1080 or 1080ti, but out of those, 1070.

>>60677559
I'm going all-in as I [survived] a major life event and I want something really nice for a change, a 1080ti and 7820x to replace my very aged i7 920 and 670.

I already have the 1080ti and the 7700k/z270e for that matter, but am returning the CPU/Mobo for now to get that 8 core juiciness, with that I should be able to last as long as my 920 did.

>>60677801
Either one is fine. Don't listen the this retard >>60677885

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>>60677935

>>60677885
>ideally a 1080 or 1080ti

wait wot

for 1080p? i thought you mostly used them for higher resolutions

>>60677873
Switched to a SeaSonic 450W PSU

>>60677856
Just removed the NH-D14, I totally forgot about the cooler packed with the Ryzens.
Will be used for Heavy coding (w/ graphics), some 3D rendering, muh games, 3 to 14 hours a day.

I have a budget of around 600 euro and i plan on getting a RX 570, should i get a g4560 or is it worth going up to a ryzen 1500 or some sort of i5?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L6vjkT r8 or h8

>>60678092
What case? Looks good otherwise.

>>60678012
Well, you'll be able to get 100FPS+ with a 1070 in a few games, anything that runs 60FPS on consoles like battlefield 1 or DOOM, but anything that runs at 30fps on a ps4 or just a bad port a 1070 will only manage around 60-80FPS. Deus Ex, dishonoured 2, witcher 3 and watch dogs 2 to name a few.
You could lower settings or whatever but that's not what i would consider ideal. It's up to you though.

>>60678091
Worth going to 1500X. Some stutters reported with 470/570 + G4560

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>>60678074
>Heavy coding (w/ graphics), some 3D rendering
Then yeah do get an R7 1700. 3D rendering loves getting more cores (see Blender & such benchmarks) and compilation times also scales heavily from cores (pic-related). The extra cores do also come handy for anything multi-tasking (which you will most certainly do) and although the r7 1700 isn't as good in games than the 7700k, the +10 - 15 FPS you'd get with a 7700k wouldn't be worth the performance loss everywhere else

>>60678134
Cheers, i dont know too much about motherboards either any reccomendations?

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>>60678117
by the way i remove the cheap psu that case came with

>>60678091
A 1500x would be the wisest choice here because the g4560 might hold back the GPU in some games causing sub 60 fps at times and will overall have quite a lot more stutter than the 1500x
Also upgradeability, AM4 CPUs will keep coming out until end of 2019 so no need to change your motherboard until 2021 - 2022 even if you're upgrading the CPU

>>60678162
i'm very sorry for your cable management

>>60678151
Yeah as long as I get good compilation/testing times and >75 FPS in 2 years old games it's good. I'll pick a cheap GPU for the passthrough if needed. Thanks anon!

>>60678129
The point of a high Hz monitor is not to run at a constant 144Hz. A 60Hz monitor is different because you're running Vsync

>>60678157
Basically you want a B350

>>60678426
>The point of a high Hz monitor is not to run at a constant 144Hz
Yeah i know, you cant run at a constant 144Hz even with a 1080ti because CPUs cant keep up but if your average FPS is under 80FPS you might as well have not bothered. 144Hz is expensive.
Maybe my standards are a little too high but it's up to him to decide if that's the kind of performance he's satisfied with or not.

Anybody tried ASRock AB350M Pro4 with Patriot Viper 4 3000 MHz RAM?

>>60677697
>20 fps
>oh no, now my game is running at 200 fps instead of 220! It's literally unplayable!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rcspYr
is this a good 1440p gaming build?

>>60679220
You don't need that high memory frequency but yeah it's a great 1440p build
could save some money on going on a non-samsung SSD, or going for an M2 one so you don't have to bother with cable management since your mobo has a m2 slot

>>60679265
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>>60679265
Move when needed

Made it at page 9 instead of 10 because i had some slight changes to do to add threadripper & i9 in there though i didn't include any real detail about them

>>60679241
>you don't need that high memory
they're all about the same price so it doesn't matter anyways.

>>60673271
That's insane.
What about 1050Ti 4GB and RX560?
What is the 1060 3GB price and the RX570 when it's actually in stock?