/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Thoughts about the Corsair RM750X 750W?
I want a quite PSU, will it do me good?
I have a i5 4460 and a R9 290 4GB, draws around 110W idling I think.
Will it stay in the passive mode even when having it on for like 15 hours?

>>60645178
plat fanless? get a fanless seasonic 450w. i speak for my ax760 80+ platinum that fanless is the go to. i wish my gpu was quieter though...

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RqfrBP
Hypothetical build for my dad with a military theme (hence the case). He's an AMD fan, but isn't too into gaming outside of facebook. Honestly this is probably overkill for him

>>60645178
That much power is unneeded but yeah, if you want it to not stay at low load then go for it
do remember that fanless PSU exist though, if it's quietness you're searching for

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>>60645208
Get a 1050ti, it's stronger than 460/560
rest is good

>>60645208
Meh it looks fine

>>60645125
These high core i9's are going to be useless for even extreme enthusiast gaming, by the time they are being utilized properly, there will be better and cheaper processors on the market. Just not worth it from a common sense perspective, as IPC will increase and die size will shrink.

>>60645208
consider going g4560 instead

why dont we have a unified socket standard yet? if intel amd ibm and the people behind arm worked on it it would progress the industry tenfold. make it so its not even x86 dependant

>>60645283
>>60645267
what part of AMD fan did you not get?

>>60645205
Seems nice but any other good fanless ones than that? The 400W Seasonic is $170 in Sweden, and that's a bit much for me.

>>60645234
Was the cheapest semi-passive one on the store I looked at. I will look at other stores though. Are the RM series good in general and how low you think I can go while staying passive if we for safety say the PC draws 200W?

>>60645208
wrong if he doesnt game. get a mitx g4560 build and paint the case yourself, he'll love it. its like when my grandparents asked me to build them a great computer i didnt jump to a i5 1050 build, i built them an i3 build in itx and focused on quality and storage

>>60645331
>mitx g4560 build
see:
>>60645302

>>60645329
you get what you pay for and having worked pc repairs and from personal experience its usually the psu that dies first.

>>60645302
so tell him to stop being a fanboy, if you have to wait for r3 and go with the best apu they sell

>>60645350
>see
>>60645338

Is it okay to pair 1070 with a cheap motherboard? Is there anything that can go wrong? I'm thinking about getting 1070 for my R5 1600 build. Motherboard is Asrock AB350M Pro4.

>>60645377
>you get what you pay for and having worked pc repairs and from personal experience its usually the psu that dies first.
But would you say it's bad, I have a EVGA SuperNOVA 750B1 now and I would guess it's worse. At least it sounds much, that's why I want to switch.

>>60645377
And R3 would probably suit better or one of the upcoming Athlon processors.

>>60645460
its not worse in the sense it will fail faster. its a good psu and will run silent till 70% load i believe. thats where buying more wattage comes in to play

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>>60645455
>with a cheap motherboard?
Yes, perfectly ok
The PCIe slot is always supposed to deliver the same amount of power (& be able to) regardless of motherboard
And as long as it's not PCIe 1.1 (does that even happen anymore), there won't be any performance problem.
Older gen PCIe slots offer less bandwidth, but it's needs to be really old and not run at 16x for some reason to really affect performance

>>60645486
theyre still making new athlon processors? thats a surprise. binned r3 no doubt

>>60645455
thats not exactly a cheap board in terms of quality. nothing will go wrong on paper. amd and nvidia is a terrible pair though

>>60645508
What did you mean then? I found some more info that said that it would stay passive up to 300W, so it will probably be good.

>>60645534
>theyre still making new athlon processors? thats a surprise. binned r3 no doubt
The AM4 motherboards all say they will support AM4 Athlon Processors, so new AM4 Athlons are coming, likely to do battle with the Pentiums. it'll be an interesting fight to see how Athlon handles the G4560

>>60645541
component quality, it wasnt an attack on the corsair psu.

>>60645583
source or gtfo

>guise this is da reel thred come over heer
>>60624205
>>60624205
>>60624205
Fuck you OP, no i wont come to your thread. Make a trip so i can block your attention seeking faggot ass
>also sage

>>60645605
Fuck off, your thread has been dead since yesterday
No, we're not going there.

>>60645583
considering the r3 is supposed to be a low end i too wonder, as long as the athlons have a good apu and low tdp ill be happy.

>>60645592
Oh thought you meant it was shit or something.

>>60645599
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144018
>Supports AMD RYZEN Series Processors and 7th Gen A-series/ Athlon processors for Socket AM4
>7th Gen A-series / Athlon processors support up to 2400 MHz.

>>60645644
I can show you a picture of a noctua heatsink made for an AMD Opteron on the SP3 socket

some bullshit flavor text from a motherboard is not a reliable source you know..

my gpu is being loud. i decided to clean it and it was fairly dusty but its still a bit loud. what should i do? hd7970 old school

>>60645752
Monitor GPU temp & fan speed in-game using afterburner
Mine is also pretty loud by default so i had to make a custom curve

>>60645701
http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/chipsets/am4
Even AMD's own website references AM4 platform Athlons as coming at some point.

>>60645774
even at idle, i think the fans are just loud or something.

>>60645752
The fan may need lubricating.
Sewing machine oil is good for computer fans.

>>60645793
That can also happen. My fans when reaching a specific speed gets louder because it rattles against plastic or something
But do check their speed using afterburner regardless

>>60645125
got some poorfag friend who wants a gaming computer but doesn't want to spend more than 525 USD including a screen

build something for him

Should I buy the 1060 now or wait to see if the price will drop soon

>>60645967

tell your friend to buy some knee pads ($15) and spend a couple weekends sucking dick

then do a ryzen r5 build with a 480 and whatever 1080 monitor

8 GB or 16 GB RAM for a budget build?

>>60646005
he's not pretty enough to suck dick, which is a shame

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Can I safely overclock the 1700 using the stock cooler without sending my temps through the roof? Trying to cut about $100-150 from my build, and dropping from the 1700x and an aftermarket HSF to the 1700 would do it pretty well.

Am I giving up any realistic amount of performance/gaining a significant amount of heat by doing so?

>>60645967
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F9hPWX

>>60646031
8 is more than enough for gaming if you are on a tight budget.

>>60646036
depends on how high of an overclock. The Wraith Spire can handle a decent overclock but it can't handle a full bore overclock

>>60645534
Whats wrong with AMD CPU + NVIDIA GPU? I've seen anons post about this occasionally and no one has offered any explanation as to why this is an issue.

>>60646088
gpu performs worse on amd cpu than intel, its not related to cpu strength either.

>>60646036
Maybe 3.7GHz at best (for an extended full load) but no higher
If we're talking partial load then yeah, mine can handle 3.9 at partial load, but that's not ideal
Please get a cooler if you're serious into overclocking. A $40 one will do great and last you for years. If you're expecting the wraith spire to be made for overclocking you're in for a disappointement.

>>60646088
They don't match well. Or used to, don't know if they patched it already

>>60646122
That's not very true.
The AMD GPU driver isn't as well multithreaded as the Nvidia one is so it tends to bottleneck more lower end CPUs, which makes card perform quite worse than they should.
For i5 / R5 & anything over, it doesn't do any difference.
6+ cores & Nvidia doesn't go well together and can cause a lower GPU utilisation in some rare games, but that's nothing specific to Ryzen. And is so rare that it isn't a relevant issue.

>>60645455
>>60645510
>>60645534
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bgYctJ

I know Ryzen + Nvidia is not an ideal combination but RX 580 are all sold out and there are currently no estimates when new cards arrive. I'm also from Eastern Europe and elecricity here is rather expensive so less power consumption is definitely better.
Also that 1070 is pretty big. Won't sagging be a problem? Are reinforced PCI-E slots useful or is it only marketing trick?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Rexmundo/saved/4qJbvK

Thats my current build, having some power issues ( i think) it black screens during gaming at ultra sertings, under clocking GPU has helped... Looking to upgrade to something like this maybe. Waiting for Vega to come out before i choose a GPU

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Rexmundo/saved/FQq23C


On mobile so links might be switched. Any thoughts or suggestions? Im fine if some one can make it cheaper, but i want it to be pretty.

>>60646161
im not talking about amd gpus at all.

>>60646161

I want an RX 570/580 but I can't find one for a reasonable price. I was planning on buying a 1060 because of this. I'm not looking for XTREME gaymen, so I figured a 1060 would work.

>>60646239
That seems very expensive.
Will you make use of the 8 cores over an R5 1600?
That expensive AIO isn't gonna be much cooler than a high-end air cooler (2 - 3°C during full load maybe?), nor it is going to be much cooler than other 120mm AIOs.
Could also downgrade the motherboard too. Any b350 do the job, if it's really quality you want (for some reason?) there are plenty of good b350 motherboard, or you could even downgrade to an Asus x370 Taichi which is among the best x370s
That's a lot of RAM
Could save money by going for a non-samsung SSD
You're not gonna use anywhere near 850w even with an old r9 290. Going to 600w would be much more cost effcient
You're spending $80 on case fans and none of them are 140mm, and that's quite sad to watch.

Is it worth pushing my 1070 any further than 2050mhz core and 8608mhz vram ?

>>60646254
My last line wasn't either

>>60645967
>>60646005
>>60646032
He would actually be able to put together a decent system with the $500 alone for the tower, but he's basically paying for even a subpar budget with about $350-400 left with a monitor.

>>60645534
>amd and Nvidia is a terrible pair

Can we stop the retarded misinformation here. Amd with Nvidia is fine. It's been factually tested that anything that happens to ryzen with Nvidia under dx12 also happens to ryzen with and under dx11. It's just some teething and driver issues which the companies needed to fix and have fixed by now most likely.

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1700 for sale at frys.

>>60646344
Ryzen with amd *

>>60646304
Alright ill change some stuff around thanks for the input

>>60646037
>>60645967
get asrock h110m r3.0 instead of b250, get naked ram and remove ssd
then spend change on screen

what would be a nice computer for work with autocad, 3dsmax, maya, illustrator, photoshop? ive been thinking about a r7 1800x as a cpu but i have no idea what gpu to pick, maybe a 1070 or a 1080? the budget is about 2k euros (building for a friend, he wants multiple of those, dislikes overclocking), so suggest anything that isnt too over the top, but on the top-shelf

>>60646420
Vega info about to come out today or so.

>>60646351
It says "plus tax"

>>60646403
Don't do this, you'll need to flash the bios to the mobo, which you can't do because you won't be able to boot.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gMpgcc

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700T 2.9GHz Quad-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($299.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-L9i 33.8 CFM CPU Cooler ($38.95 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-B250N-Phoenix WIFI Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($124.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill - NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($63.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($127.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec - ISK 300-150 Mini ITX Desktop Case w/150W Power Supply ($72.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Panasonic - UJ-265 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($119.00 @ Other World Computing)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($92.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-A8 PWM 32.7 CFM 80mm Fan ($15.63 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-A8 PWM 32.7 CFM 80mm Fan ($15.63 @ Newegg)
Other: StarTech 6-Inch Slimline SATA to SATA Female/Male Adapter with Power (SLSATAADAP6) ($8.10 @ Amazon)
Other: Rosewill RCFC-16002 Case Fan Splitter, PWM Fan Splitter Cable, 1 to 2 Black Sleeved Computer Fan Splitter Cable, Supporting Both 3 Pin Fans and 4 Pin PWM Case Fans ($4.39 @ Amazon)
Other: Super Power Supply® 2 Pack of RP-SMA Male Stand Bases with 1M (meter) cables for 2dbi 4dbi 5dbi 6dbi 7dbi 9dbi 15dbi WiFi wireless antennas ($18.87 @ Amazon)
Other: Super Power Supply® 2 x 9dBi 2.4GHz 5GHz Dual Band WiFi RP-SMA Antenna for Linksys WRT1200AC AC1200 ; Actiontec GT784WN ; TP-LINK TL-WR841HP Booster Extender ($9.99 @ Amazon)
Other: ASL GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Battle Flag
Total: $1012.51

>Wireless Kodi box for content apps, BD, TV and Steam Streaming
>any LP single slot gpu that doesn't suck (no 750ti) don't know when/if the ASL product will be available in US
>mITX B350/X370 with WiFi when?

>>60646448
>Don't do this, you'll need to flash the bios to the mobo, which you can't do because you won't be able to boot.
why are you talking about things you don't know? asrock r3.0 models support kaby lake straight out of box

>>60646474
Because there are loads of uniformed people who don't know about the compatability issues, and the chances of anon actually getting a revision 3 intentionally is pretty slim.

>>60646420
You dont need to go any higher than a 1700 unless you have money to burn for ~8% more performance at best

>>60646440
interesting, but he wants to work with it asap without having to update buggy drivers every six hours as seen during previous new arch gpu releases

>>60646470
Asrock announced a x370 mITX 6 hours ago

>>60646483
THEY ARE CALLED R3.0 BECAUSE THEY ARE THIRD REVISION YOU RETARD

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>that faggots thread is still up

>>60646520
?
We're not going in the other one that is filled with shit & that has a shit OP, lad

>>60646470
Maybe just get a G4560?

Even an SSD? What? And dedicated graphics?
Are you just trying to spend money or something?

>>60646511
What do you think the chances are of anon caring about the "r3.0"?
It's bad adivce.

It's like telling people to plug in their PSU, and then plug themselves into the ground of the PSU, to "ground" themselves.

>>60646535
I know, its just funny.

>>60646126
Why is it that people legitimately fall for the tempered glass + RGB meemees?

>>60646489
8% is good enough, hes trying to make a business with these machines, so any performance increases are welcome. for a budget of 2k euros (for one) it shouldnt be too hard to make the 1800x buy and still fit in that range

>>60646555
I'm out

>>60646558
Oh ok. I find it pretty sad because i see newfags going in there with no idea of what's going on and they stick to the shit thread not knowing it's shit

>>60646520
>83 posts and 26 ips
>vs
>102 posts and 40 ips
HMM REALLY MAKES YOU THINK WHICH THREAD IS LESS SHIT

>>60646536

G4560 would work

It's not clear in the Antec documentation if there's space inside the case for optical + 2.5" if there is than that would be preferable

There wouldn't be any dGPU initially because a 1030 or 750ti aren't going to be all that much better than whatever is on the CPU and don't seem worth it

>not trying to burn money on tech

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/28yDVY r8

how many hard drives can a mitx board run? since hdds are slower by a huge margin than sata is there splitters?

>>60646672
Something like "ASRock Deskmini" makes much more sense. G4560 probably wont run out of the box, but I believe it can be flashed either in a store, or if you have a 6000-series cpu laying around.

Otherwise, just get like 6100, or something like that.

Then you buy an external USB bluray drive.

>>60645125
whats a good mobo for an amd cpu instead of the ASRock AB350M Pro4 if I don't need 4 ram slots but am happy with two?

>>60646828
that's quite the overkill GPU
but otherwise looks good

>>60646828
Why don't you get modular PSU? Seasonic M12ii 520w is modular and it's only slightly more expensive.

>>60646828
1600 +1070 is best pairing

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FZ3fcc

everything ok here?

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>>60646862
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/28yDVY
As many as there are SATA ports;

The limiting factor for amount of SATA ports is the the chipset (Z170, Z270, etc.) While ATX and MicroATX (usually) just build in the max number of SATA ports onto the board, mITX boards are a lot more space constrained and typically offer 2 or 4 SATA ports at most.

AsRock's recently announced X299 mITX motherboard breaks that convention by offering 6 SATA ports.

https://www.techpowerup.com/233817/asrock-unveils-the-x299e-itx-ac-mini-itx-x299-quad-channel-memory

>>60646989
get one 8gb dimm for future upgradability

>>60646828
Be sure to check the RAM support for that specific board, because of Ryzen. It makes things easier if it has XMP.

Also for like $15 extra you can get the 3TB ultrastar.

>>60647015
so it can't be split? oн well. that board you posted actually looks pretty good, anything lost by using the laptop ram size?

>>60646304
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Rexmundo/saved/FQq23C

Ok took some of your suggestions, chose a PSU without mustard cables and went with one exhaust fan that's 140mm. Any other suggestions?
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Rexmundo/saved/FQq23C

So, for 1400€~ in Spain, logicalincrements told me to get an i7-7700K but muh cores. Should I get a 1700/x instead?
I'd play a lot of AAA games and such.

How important is RAM speed for 1440p 144hz gaming? (getting an i7 7700k so it wont benefit the cpu as it would ryzen)

>>6064725
Ryzen 1600/1700 is just as good for 60hz gaming, the 7700k is required for higher hz and resolution

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Anybody knows what that 14M1 means?

>>60647271
I would like to know this too

>>60646875
It's somewhat important everything needed to run the box is inside a single case

It's less important that everything fits into a <8 liter volume

Deskmini 110W hits those without having BD or the ability to reuse the case in the future and needing SODIMMs and a power brick
>STX form factor somehow taking off with NUC and ITX sitting comfy

Updated parts list

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bVBmhq

CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-L9i
Motherboard: MSI - B250I GAMING PRO AC
Memory: G.Skill - NT Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5"
Case: Antec - ISK 300-150 Mini ITX Desktop Case w/150W Power Supply
Optical Drive: Panasonic - UJ-265 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-A8 PWM 32.7 CFM 80mm Fan
Case Fan: Noctua - NF-A8 PWM 32.7 CFM 80mm Fan
Other: StarTech 6-Inch Slimline SATA to SATA
Other: Rosewill RCFC-16002 Case Fan Splitter
Other: StarTech.com 6-Inch Round Latching Right Angle SATA Cable
Other: Super Power Supply® 2 Pack of RP-SMA Male Stand Bases
Other: Super Power Supply® 2 x 9dBi 2.4GHz 5GHz Dual Band WiFi RP-SMA Antenna
Total: $728.53

I'm currently running a 2500k at 4.5ghz, and a 970. Looking to upgrade my rig for gaming at 1440p/144hz. I'll be holding off on the video card upgrade until Volta/Vega, but my CPU/MB and RAM are what i'm working on right now.
Given that AM4 motherboards are going to be supported for longer than Intel's, would it make more sense to upgrade to a Ryzen system and hope next Gen Ryzen has a bit more power to compete with the Intel system? I don't really want to go with the 7700k if the lower core count is going to cause stutter in games over the next couple years.

>>60647256
If you only do gaming and don't care for upgradeability for the CPU,the i7-7700K is the way to go.
If you do any kind of content creation or work outside of gaming, ryzen is advised.

I have a R7-1700 and an RX 570 and play Doom at 1080p Ultra at >115fps.

>>60647347
Been googling for a while but can't find anything. As soon as i have more free time i'll just see if i can find benchmarks or something

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Well,i posted on the another thread but is bullshit thread as i can see this is the official
What build for a real computing user? I need to run a tons of VMs not fucking videogames but if i can add a gpu for passthough for a VMs is okay anyway i get everything a 1080p so i dont need a very great gpu for 1440p or 4k

A current build for an office 2016 and heavy browsing type of work?

(more than 8 browser tabs)

>>60647384
I'm looking to go for the 1440p 144hz meme too, and everywhere i've looked i've seen people heavily recommend the i7 7700k over ryzen at the moment, because the higher clock speed is useful for pushing the higher framerates

>>60647415
I recommend just a G4560 with iGPU and a lot of ram

>>60647415
Minimum of 64 gb of ram if your using Chrome.

>>60647438
That's what I am seeing too, but i'm thinking I'd be better off waiting until the next gen of CPU so I'm not stuck on a dead socket type.

>>60647271
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjFu-onLA68
Tested in 1080p so gains at 1440p will be less until you get a GPU that's as CPU bottlenecked at 1440p as a titan X pascal is at 1080p.
I'd say go with 3000 or 3200MHz ram since it's only like 20% more expensive than the cheapest DDR4 and leave it at that.

>>60647357
>tfw your cooler costs 60% of the price of the CPU.

Anyway, there was a cryorg, low profile cooler that was pretty decent. And what's wrong with the srock cooler? Is it too tall?

You can get a Win 10 pro OEM license for ~$25 at kinwin(.)com

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OFFICAL GPU BRAND TIER LIST

Why Aren't You Buying This Tier
>XFX
>Asus

Top Tier
>MSI

Mid Tier
>Sapphire
>Gigabyte

Poorfag Tier
>EVGA
>PowerColor

Why Are You Even Buying This Tier
>Zotac
>PNY

Prove me wrong. I dare you.

>>60647440
You're right I thought the thread died thanks
>>60647449
OK, didn't mention chrome I'll use ie9

>>60647535
"I've only been paying attention to PC components for a year" the post

>>60647535

>sapphire
>mid tier

>>60647535
GR8 b8

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tJBmhq
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qdMpYr

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/bRwPWX

Primary use will be development in cry engine.
i can get the mobo and cpu for $800, maybe a little cheaper from a guy. the cpu hasn't even been opened. idk what case to get and i like the 2x16gb ram because i can get a second set in the future. idk about the gpu. i figure 1070 is the gpu more people will have so its best to develop for it.

What's a good budget replacement for my HD7850

>>60647822
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/bNQRsY/phanteks-case-phes515ebk

>>60647860
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JfyxFT/asus-radeon-rx-470-4gb-strix-video-card-rog-strix-rx470-o4g-gaming

what cheap SLC SDD should I get?
I'd get it for the OS and programs, then HDD for all the other stuff.

>>60645377
t. nvidia fanboy

>>60646470
go for ryzen instead

>>60647535
ASUS is the worst at literally everything. They some how made it way way back in the day, and now people still buy their shitty products, just because it's a well known brand.

>>60647814
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qdMpYr
this one

>>60647822
looks good

>>60647860
either a 470 or 570

>>60647947
It's an itx build. Show me or him a decent mitx board

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/g/entlemen, I'm looking for a UWQHD (2560x1440) monitor for work (word, excel, etc - no video editing or color sensitive work).
price range < 1000 Euro / Dollar
should be buyable in Europe.

what should i get??

>>60647992
asrock LITERALLY just released one

r7 1700 or r7 1700X and why

>>60647999
Since you're going to be working on it exclusively, just buy the cheapest one you can find.

>>60648039
1700 because just overclock

>>60647876
maybe, a little expensive for just a case

>>60648039
1700 and oc. its just binning

>>60648020
no they didn't. The X299 chipsets are a different platform. The only AM4 itx boards available atm are from Biostar

>>60648055
>>60648060

ok dubs and singles have spoken

and another final question, a cheapo m.2 for the operative system or just a regular SATA SSD. They are both the same price here. 60€ for any of those

>>60648074
i didnt mean x299 nor are they out yet

>>60648079
m.2

>>60647535
>no INNO3D
I'll burn your body

>>60647476
I need to build this 1440p 144hz from scratch and don't plan on upgrading anything in a long time, so it doesn't make a difference to me. But if you plan on have a rolling build getting new parts when they come out then i'm not sure what you should do

>>60648079
m2. crazy that theyre the same price.

>>60647537
he was joking with the ram thing

>>60648098
>>60648144
The m.2 offers NO advantage over a normal SSD

>>60648144
well, they are Western Digital WDS120G1G0B or Sandisk SDSSDA-120G-G26, both 57€

>>60648173
its the same price, fuck off poorfag

>>60648173
free SATA slot for a leftover HDD.

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Posted this a few threads ago while it was dying so trying my luck again.
Going for 1440p 144hz, local amazon has good discounts on intel cpu+asus mobo, which one should i get?
I often see recommended the Hero, is it worth the price difference over the z270 pro for example?
Planning some overclocking.

>>60648222
Are those the discounts or the prices?

>>60648047
any manufacturers to avoid?

>>60648182
if its a "green" m2 fuck that go ssd

>>60648173
m2 is faster

>>60648201
usually they use one sata lane iirc, on server boards anyway

>>60648201
>>60648187
you guys are retarded. Cheap m.2 drives USE a sata connection automatically disabling one of the SATA ports.
Only the expensive NVME drives don't do this.
Quit being retarded.

>>60648305
>m2 is faster
no.

nvme is faster. fuck you faggot reeeeeeeee stop posting if you don't know anything

>>60648305
>m2 is faster
only if it's an expensive NVME drive.
Cheapo m.2 drives offer NO ADVANTAGE WHATSOEVER over a normal sata 2.5" SSD

>>60648144
>>60648305
Are you confusing the M.2 form factor with the NVMe interface again? M.2 SSDs have been the same price as SATA ones for a while time now.

>>60648305
>if its a "green" m2 fuck that go ssd
then what about
Kingston SM2280S3G2/120G
Transcend TS128GMTS600
Crucial CT120M500SSD4
Transcend TS128GMTS800
Intel SSDPEKKW128G7X1

They are all like 10~14€ more.

>>60648260
That is the discount amount

4 years from now will we see 6ghz turbo clocks or will we see stupid amounts of cores, leaving old programs to be forever running like shit?

>>60648409
>stupid amounts of cores
yes

>>60648365
>Kingston SM2280S3G2/120G
Sata, so avoid it.
>Transcend TS128GMTS600
Sata, so avoid it
>Crucial CT120M500SSD4
Sata, so avoid it
>Transcend TS128GMTS800
Sata, so avoid it
>Intel SSDPEKKW128G7X1
This one is NVME. Worth it.

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Best aftermarket 1080Ti? Is there a group-test review? Usually Toms Hardware have them but they don't seem to have one for the 1080Ti, at least not that I can find.

>>60648441
Fucking FINALLY.

>>60648441
fyi the 6 core is going to be 440$

>>60648456
Asus STRIX or EVGA FTW3.

>>60648461
Source? And what about the i3/i5?

>>60648441
>>60648459
>>60648461
Made a thread so we don't end up spamming pcbg : >>60648491

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>>60648488
Are they better than the MSI Gaming? I had a MSI Gaming 980Ti and that shit was damn near silent.

>>60648434
>Intel SSDPEKKW128G7X1
>Intel 600p
are you trolling?

can i check a motherboard works without ram? if i have a psu cpu and gpu?

>>60648511
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-128GB-M-2-80mm-SSDPEKKW128G7X1/dp/B01K375SWE

>>60648510
Probably not in any significant way but they won't have the hideous red plastic of the MSI cards and they both have 3 fans instead of 2

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Studio Monitors or Active Speakers?
Advantages and disadvantages of each?
Which one is better?

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weee wooo weee wooo weeee wooo
http://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?ID=3625

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>>60648540
>hideous red plastic of the MSI cards
True, hate the cancerous glowing logo too.

>>60648546
this is nothing to do with pc building. studio monitors sound "bad" because theyre accurate. what do you mean by active? powered? get near fields

>>60647999
>>60648047
If anyone else was looking for a monitor, I am going to buy: LG34UC88-B

So I have a build that's a few years old now.

FX8350, XFX R9 290 DD edition.

I have a cooler master hyper 212 evo on the CPU right now. I don't know why but I just got the urge to overclock my shit out of nowhere. Been doing a lot of research lately.

Was playing around with clock speeds and voltage settings. I've started to keep a sharper eye on temps as I never really payed attention before.

My shit was getting pretty hot, 80c range on full load.

Decided to see where it's at on stock settings, went into bios, reset everything to default. It's still getting to 70c or more on full load. Something is not right, it should be cooler considering it's stock clock and voltage.

I realize that hyper evo 212's are pretty shit for any kind of overclocking.

I just want a solid 4.7 ghz without temps getting too crazy. Breathe some life back into this thing. Never realized how CPU intensive Overwatch is, and I'm trying to get the most frames per second I can since I upgraded to a 144hz monitor fairly recently.

So is there a better air cooler than this:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608045

Noctua NH-D15 SSO2 D-Type Premium CPU Cooler, NF-A15 x 2 PWM Fans

Shit seems pretty cash tbqh. I think I'm going to do it. I was looking into AIO coolers, but I still think this is a better option.

td;lr is there a better air cooler for an fx8350, overclocked than a Noctura NH-D15?

>>60649044
d15 is the best cooler.

>>60648632
What's her name? (male)

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how do i use this thing

>>60647496
Noctua is good stuff, it's unclear how much clearance there is with the CPU situated where it is on the board with the trays in the way

>sketchy resellers of stolen keys .com

>>60649241
what the fuck is this

>>60645125
>people building a pc the day before production rx vega is shown.
>buying a multi hundred dollar cpu that is getting superceded in a few months.
Are you guys all on old laptops, FX and nehalem?

>>60649044
fuck your cpu, get a 1700

>>60649241
by blowing you fucking brains out you retard

>>60649336
threadripper is for enthusiasts and enthusiasts are waiting

>>60649368

Wouldn't I have to get a whole new motherboard going from an FX8350 to Ryzen? Which means I'd have to upgrade to DDR4 as well?

I'm fine with it for now. My next build will be intel anyway.

>>60649241
I thought that said the H110 PRO BITCH for a second there.

>>60649241
>Steal loads of solar panels
>hook them up to your computer
>buy loads of pci-e mining modules
>wait a year
>profit.

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Where can i get an old beige case for a sleeper build? they support atx and matx? Im in Western Australia so our thrift shops arent allowed to sell electronics and no one has one for sale on gumtree.

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>>60649458
>My next build will be intel anyway.
you are cucking yourself by doing this

>>60649044
>>60649272

What are y'alls suggestion for a 1600x cooler? Was originally thinking of going with a 212 but now I'm worried, especially when I live in a desert climate of SoCal and Phoenix areas.

>>60649655
212 is good enough

>>60649655
You donhttp://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/6064804f't have ac? my house was always 74f tops when I lived in PHX

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>>60649273
The future!

>>60649636

That image is ironic because Intel CPU's generally run cooler than AMD's. They can also withstand a lot more heat than AMD CPU's as well.

Who's really cucking who?

>>60649655
The CRYORIG H7 costs about the same as a Hyper 212 but preforms better and is easier to install.

>>60649655

212's are shitty nowadays man. Go Zalman or Noctura. You won't regret.

Even get a corsair meme tier AIO before a 212

>>60649718
I like the heat and hate the bill. Did fine with previous comps but haven't overclocked or use a cooler myself before.

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Can someone help me choose a monitor?

The only thing I'm worried about is the ips glow, how common is that?
Is 27" too much for a pc monitor? Should I aim at 24" instead?

>>60649241
RX480 GOING TO THE MOON
BUY BUY BUY

>>60649604
also wanted to do this
the only way to do it good involves welding and cutting; so depends how much you want to invest in it

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I recently upgraded my PC with new hardware, namely a new motherboard and new CPU, and ever since I put it back together I've been experiencing a lot of BSOD's.

The stop code isn't consistent, either, so I don't really know what the issue is. My rig is using:

Intel Core i5-6600K 6M Skylake Quad-Core 3.5 GHz
ASUS Z170-A
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080
CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB

I've been using the same SSD and HDD.

At first I thought it was the chipset driver, because I forgot to install it right away, but I already did a while ago and I'm still having this problem.

I need help.

Is ryzen good at vidya emulation?

In order to quad channel, you ONLY buy the 4 stick kits?

I cant buy 2x8s and get 2 more of the same later?

>>60649893
is your PSU having trouble

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>>60649604
You're best bet is scouring eBay for broken prebuilts I would think. I put a HIS IceQ 7970 in a shitty Lenovo tower similar to pic related. I had to hack saw the hard drive bays out to make room for the card, it accepted ATX boards just fine though. Ran hot as fuck but what AMD car doesn't.

>>60650065
How would I check or know? I'm using a CX750, same one I had before.

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>>60649780
>ips glow
They all do it, you'll get used to it. I have really bad autism for shit like that, my monitor I've been using for the last 4 years is IPS and I forgot it was even a thing until you just mentioned it now.

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>>60650106
>corsair psu
Spotted the problem.

>>60650138
Care to enlighten the uneducated pleb on what he did wrong with the Corsair PSU?

I'm legitimately curious on what went wrong, or what could have gone wrong.

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>>60650164
See, it all went wrong when he purchased a power supply made by anyone other than Silverstone or Seasonic.

>>60649655
The included Wraith cooler is close to being Hyper 212 tier in quality. Paying $30 for a Hyper 212 isn't a significant upgrade that's worthwhile.

Look to ~$50 CPU coolers.
Reeven Justice has good value:

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/07/18/reeven_justice_120mm_cpu_air_cooler_review/4

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7169/reeven-justice-rc-1204-cpu-cooler-review/index4.html

Additionally, the Thermalright True 140 Direct performed very well for the price in a recent AnandTech article, beating out a comparable Noctua product at thermal loads up to 150W (where the Noctua begins to slightly edge it out due to the larger surface area of the fin stack) at 30% less than the Noctua.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11407/140-mm-slim-tower-cpu-cooler-roundup/7

Great performance $50 coolers should provide solid thermals at solid acoustic levels, capable of any kind of overclock you want to go for on a 1600X. While you can step up to the massive dual tower heatsinks or all-in-one CLCs, you're paying a lot extra for marginal improvements to temperature and moderate improvements in acoustics.

>>60650270
1600x doesn't come with a cooler.

>>60650138
>>60650204
All right, but how would the PSU be the problem?

>>60650112
I'm sorry about that ;_;

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>>60650296
My non-shitpost answer is to run memtest to check your RAM isn't fucked and see if disabling the c-state power saving options in your BIOS helps anything. You've changed your motherboard, some motherboards and some PSU's don't play well together for some retarded reason with Intel's power saving stuff, even pre-Haswell ones that don't dip the voltages silly low.

A HX750, assuming its working properly, is plenty enough to run a system like that twice over.

t. someone who's PC was freezing all the time until last week when I disabled C6 power state on a whim

>>60650138
>>60650204
It entirely depends on the unit series.
For example, Corsair makes the only good SFX PSUs, and they're of extremely high quality (just a tiny bit off of platinum rating, but because of it being only gold at specific loads, it ends up being only gold).

Silverstons and seasonics options for SFX PSUs all have issues.

Then there's also Corsair Vengeance PSU, which is one of the highest quality PSUs you can find.
There was also XFX Core series, it's outdated now, but it was very high quality.

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>>60650420
Currently in the process of returning my second Seasonic 520W Fanless because the useless bag of shit started to sound like a bomb and randomly shutdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqvGZGWe4m8

Good thing it's got a 7 year warranty.

>>60650270
Looks like theyre sold out in alot of places .Thanks for suggestions tho

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811992012

>NZXT SEN-MIX2 Sentry Mix 2 Fan Controller


Is this a good fan controller? My CM Scout only has 3 fans stock. Looking to upgrade my CPU cooler and add a couple more fans while I'm at it.

How much space does Windows 7 OS take up? I want to know how much space I'll need for an SSD.

>>60650806
On a fresh install with SP1, mines is around 25gb.

>>60650806
Take the capacity you're currently thinking of buying and buy twice as much. If you've never had an SSD before you'll shit yourself when you see the difference it makes and wish you had more space.

But, Windows 7 usually burns about 20GB, also take into account the 10%-ish of the drive you'll need to dedicate to servicing bullshit.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Nz7hNN
Any ways to make this build better without altering the budget too much? I plan on using it for general computer stuff and low-stress gaming (most intense probably being Fallout New Vegas).
Also, could someone recommend a good monitor to pair with it?

>>60651164
Why 1x8GB instead of 2x4GB?

>>60649893
windows 7?

>>60651206
Idk, it seemed cheaper compared to 2x4 options. Would 2x4 be better?

>>60651164
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ktnn4C

Here, I even added a monitor. I removed the HDD. 500 GB isn't cost efficient for storage. You can add a 1TB a bit later on for $50

>>60651233
Dual channel memory senpai, google it.

>>60651233
Yes.

anyone know if the 1080ti ftw3's gpu fan stops spinning at all or is it only the power/memory fans that stop and the gpu one sits at ~18%?

>>60651276
Its fans will stop spinning in idle, which is what i assume you were asking about.
https://youtu.be/-WE4UWGHnzU?t=701

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>>60651359
>system with only an SSD
>temperature sensitive case fans
>GPU with 0% fan speed at idle

Fucking love it.

ASUS PG279Q
Should I get this monitor?

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I'm trying to make a small htpc for my sister, but I can't get OpenELEC to work at all. It says it installs just fine, but it won't boot past the splash screen.
I've installed Ubuntu twice now, and it runs just fine, but as soon as I try OpenElec again, it locks up at the splash screen.
Running an Intel G3250T cpu
64GB SSD
XFX 6870 gpu
16GB ram
Gigabyte GA-Z97N-WIFI mobo

Losing my goddamned mind here.
I could run Kodi on Ubuntu, but since my sister is tech-tarded, I figure simpler is better, and a small OS that's just for media would keep her from fucking it up too much...

I have a 212 Evo for my i5 2500k, I bought a Ryzen 5 1600 so I guess I need a new cooler for AM4. Should I get liquid cooler?

>>60651596
Air cooler is much more cost effective, so just get a nicer air cooler.

>>60651581
No idea.
Bad image?

Is a 212 Evo good enough for 7700k overclocking?

>>60651596
The 212 evo will work on Ryzen but you need the bracket from Cooler Master.
On that note, the stock cooler that comes with the 1600 is actually decent and can even handle a mild overclock to around 3.7 Ghz. If you want a full bore overclock to 3.9 or 4.0 Ghz, THEN you need an aftermarket cooler

This isn't Intel. The stock coolers aren't automatically garbage.

>>60651638
Yep. There's still noctua, but they're overpriced as fuck.

>>60651638
>>60651730
At least get an H7... With such an overpriced CPU, you shouldn't completely skimp on a CPU cooler.

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What's the current meme in thermal paste?

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who cares about 'overpriced' noctruna fans that cost $20(!!) while cpu and gpu prices swing widley by hundreds of dollars and cases and mobos and memory ect

>>60651638
>>60651730
No it's not unless you enjoy having a 90°C CPU.

I have a 7700K and a H7 and on stock I have occasional spikes up to 75 in MAX load since Summer has started here (usually it never really hits 70 the rest of the year). If I don't vsync and go crazy on the FPS (aka 100% GPU usage) temps were in the 77°C, I'm sure I'd try now it'd rise to 80°C.

So with an even worse cooler and overclocked? To begin with, why do you want to overclock? Are you playing 4K or something?

>>60651819
All those parts are more complex to make than fans.

>>60651832
I won't overclock but I like to keep headroom for overclocking in the future.

>>60651844
its $20 for the best fan
id pay $40 if I was only getting 1 or 2

>>60651850
maybe if it had brass blades or something cool

>>60651810
Arctic Silver

>>60651850
>Muh meme poo colored fans

>>60651859
That'd be cool.
Steampunk bolt on components when?

>>60651819
Noctua fans are actually pretty cheap...

>>60651845
Understandable. Honestly, I'd recommend aiming for the best cooler you can then. I don't regret my H7 at all, it does a good job, and generally my CPU hovers 50-60s degrees so it's fine, but if I had known that CPU was running that hot I'd have invested into something really better.

>>60651495
No. Not worth it. You'll play the replacement lottery just to find a monitor that isn't suffering from IPS glow of differing colors on an all black screen.

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guys i went to the tip and found one, what do you think?, i dont think its atx

>>60651958
What is a good 1440p 144hz monitor I should get then?

Which 1080ti variant is the best?
I am thinking MSI Gaming or Asus Strix.

>>60651974
Looks like it's been used to store AIDS needles.

>>60651956
7700K has shitty thermal paste between the die and IHS, so there's a limit to how much a CPU cooler can really do.

>>60651974
Probably mATX

>>60652017
this was made 97-99, matx came out 98. bit close maybe

>>60651850
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//You see a post and wonder who is behind it.

>>60652211
>ill buy intel but nocturna is zionism

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>>60652017
Yes, the right thermal paste is so important.
Try mayonnaise.

>>60652265
But that's exactly his point. Intel cpus use thermal paste when the alternative is a metal solder.

>>60652233
One is the result of billions of dollars of research, testing, and advanced physics.
The other is 2 cents of plastic, a mobile phone vibrator motor, and ideas stolen from existing patents.

Still fuck intel.

>>60652265
I still need to get a liquid metal to jump my 1060 for clocking.
Any ideas of what's best for that?
Needs to be conductive, but no so much that I pump a deadly amount of power into it.

>>60651992
No one?

>>60652582
Go for the Strix

>>60652582
Either's fine. Unless you're planning to soft mod the card to push higher voltage.

>>60652654
If you are planning to soft mod it just get the OC versions which already has their bios flashed and are the higher binned cards. Getting the non OC edition would be OC lottory.

Is Vega out yet?

Will my stock 4770 bottleneck a 1080? I already have an SSD and 16GB of RAM. Thanks.

>>60652728
Depends on what you are playing.
1080-1440p@60? Nope
1080@144? Nope
1440@144? Some games
4k@60? Absolutely.

>>60652728
Assuming it's a K not really, and even if it weren't it wouldn't I think.

The last couple i7s are very similar, newer ones are just clocked a little higher but all in all they function similarly.

>>60652728
With DX12 and Vulkan increasingly becoming the norm, I wouldn't worry about it.

>>60652844
DDR3 ram has already been proven to be a bottleneck at 4k.

can i get close to 3000mhz on Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2B3000C15
with a Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 + ryzen 1600 cpu?
suggest me other mb in that price range to achieve 2933 mhz

>>60652702
Yes.

>tfw using a AMD 760k CPU and an R7 260X
>tfw constant suffering

Is 700$ enough for a decent 1080p gaming PC?

I want to use high/max settings, but I'll be playing some retro games as well.

Is the G4560 + 1050 ti enough? Or should I get a Ryzen + 1060?

>>60652911
Buy a secondhand GPU if you are on a budget. Plenty of folks are dumping their 980, 290/390x for the new Vega or 1080ti.

>>60652911
Ryzen is trash for gaming, an i5 and 1060 will serve you well.

>>60652911
Ryzen + 1060 is my recommendation

1050ti dips on 1080p into the ~45 fps range for 1% lies on most titles

>>60652928
fuck off shill
>>60652911
>Is 700$ enough for a decent 1080p gaming PC?
With a few sacrifices to other things, yes.
>I want to use high/max settings, but I'll be playing some retro games as well.
>Is the G4560 + 1050 ti enough?
No
>Or should I get a Ryzen + 1060?
Ryzen 5 1600 with an RX 480/580. The 1060 can't compete simply due to its lack of vram. If you have to get an nvidia card, get a 1050ti, or a 1070. Everything inbetween though isn't as competitive.

>>60652945
Says the AMD shill.

>>60652924
>>60652928
>>60652930
>>60652945
Thanks guys. I have to wait for the GPU pricing to tank, but I'll probably end up going with a Ryzen + RX 580. I think I scrounge an extra 100$ anyway.

>>60652876
Compared to an identical CPU on DDR4, on a low-level API?
Where is this information?

>>60652945
Despite the 480/580 being good cards, they will be overpriced due to crypto jews buying them in bulk to mine their coins. So they will be overpriced or not in stock. If you can wait a few months, get the 480/580.

>>60652964
>call out an Intel shill
>get called an AMD shill
I was considering an i5/RX470 build before Ryzen came out. I go where the best performance for the money is. That doesn't make me a shill.

>>60652986
The 580 is overpriced right now. I have been able to find older god 470/480 cards though

>>60653000
>I have been able to find older god 470/480 cards though
Why not just wait a few more months than get the 580? The 580 is just a rebranded 480 that performs better at about the same cost (once the jews stop fucking with it).

>>60652945
>The 1060 can't compete simply due to its lack of vram.
lol, 6GB isn't enough now? damn stupid shill.

>>60653021
That's what I'm doing
>>60653026
The 6GB is only a few bucks cheaper at the moment than an 8GB 580. Not worth it. And the 3GB version competes with the 4GB 570.
Fuck off nVidia shill.

Do I wish AMD had better cards for the high end? Of course. It would force actual competition again. Competition is always good for the consumer.

>>60652945
>The 1060 can't compete simply due to its lack of vram.
Though the 1060 is overall slightly slower compared to the 580, it's not due to VRAM limitations.
Extremely rare for a game today to use more than 4GB. Unheard of to use 6. Though some games do appropriate the VRAM for use, it doesn't actually get filled.

Been doing a bit of research on monitors.
Which one should I get? X34? Or the PG348Q?

I'm going for a r5 1400. Best cheap mobo to go with this? Mainly for gaming. Tight budget.

>>60653155
Asrock AB350M Pro 4

>>60653155
What case you going for?

>>60653155
The cheapest B350 you can find.
https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-AB35MHV&c=CJ

>>60653070
>Fuck off nVidia shill.
? anon said he aimed for high settings, 6GB is enough.
>few bucks
Not true, RX GPUs are completely overpriced for what they are, yet you are still trying your hardest to make sure everyone in this thread making a new computer has to buy one. Don't even call me a shill when I own a Ryzen myself. If you want to be credible learn yourself some objectivity sense.

>>60653361
Fuck off. The 1060 is cucked to high heaven. To get it clocking right you have to physically modify the fucking PCB to bypass the firmware restraints.
>overpriced
The scalpers price??
There's good reason these cards keep selling out.
Given the performance difference, usable lifespan, hardware ware, and software constraints. You can't seriously recommend a 1060 unless it's on a significant sale price.

>>60653273
>>60653155
Am I going to miss out on anything if I go for the cheapest one?

>>60653519
yes. You'll miss out on vrm heatsinks

someone make a new thread

>>60653519
SLI/Crossfire

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>>60653266
Sticking with my old one. By the way, what size is my case?

>>60645267
>one game
>low clocked 1275MHz card
hmm

My cousin had bought a FreeSync monitor a month ago on sale in preparation for an AMD build. Neither of us were anticipating the RX 500 cards to be sold out/gobbled up by miners by the time he had earned enough money for the rest of his build though.

Should he forsake the FreeSync functionality of his monitor and just grab a 1060 3GB/6GB? He's only interested in 1080p gaming for now. He doesn't really want to wait for Vega and wants something functional for now since he just graduated uni.

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>>60653155
>>60653239
>>60653266
>>60653273

These are the only motherboards available for me at the moment.

>>60653819
Get the MSI B350 Tomahawk or the Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming 3.
The Gigabyte Gaming 3 has the best onboard audio of any AM4 B350 motherboard at the moment, and the dual bios is nice.

>>60653816
Buy a second hand card for now and wait for the 580. Or just get a 480.

>>60653871
Thanks, man. Follow up question. >>60653710

>>60653933
Why don't you take out a ruler and measure?

>>60653026
These retards think 8gb is the absolute minimum required for gaming. Meanwhile in the real world most steam users are using 2gb vram gpu and playing games fine.

Kinda ironic actually because these people will say anything less that 8gb is shit yet beg you to buy an rx 570 4gb.

>>60651638
No. Wtf.