More Net Neutrality Bullshit

>>60630983
>Is it time for /not your personal army/ to intervene yet?
Yes.

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I happen to be working on a counter-spam bot right now. It assembles messages out of randomly selected "beginning", "middle", and "end" sections if anyone has a few sentences they want to throw in.

No racist shit, please. Ajit Pai has gone all in on trying to deflect off his blatant corruption by cherry picking the few racist people calling him out already. We don't need to turn all of this into one more example of that to be thrown away.

Come the fuck on people we are talking about the END OF THE INTERNET.

Bump this shit all day every single day.

>>60631292
OP, you realize there are fake name libraries right? No need to do most of this fake information shit your self, besides maybe the addresses.

All the people who have given the valid points against NN are too blue in the face to continue fighting your mindless bootlicking, so expect no resistance in this thread.

Is it time for /not your personal army/ to intervene yet?
No.
You should've prepared for this.
Now it's time to watch the world burn and the normalfags go down. While everything you have is still working.
Time to hit up those /cyb/ + /sec/ theads.

>>60630983
Lurker here. Can someone explain what net neutrality is?

fuck you net neutrality is bullshit you libtard

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>>60631629
The only argument is "muh free market all hail the invisible hand" Even if we grant you every single free market theory you want STILL those arguments fail because we are talking about existing monopolies. There is no free market solution to Net Neutrality because there is no free market among ISPs. Period.

>>60630983
Who cares. Net neutrality is full commie and only reddit supports it.

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>>60631671
serious question:

Why shill if you're not getting paid for it?

>>60631667
Your ISP has to sell you your internet service "as is" and isn't allowed to micromanage your speeds to different websites. Basically, they can't say "pay $5 extra and get 20% faster speed on youtube!". It's almost universally seen as a good thing outside of /pol/, but Ajit Pai is a corporate shill so he wants to ditch it.

>>60631626
Well when the name and address match up to dead people who had accounts with Comcast it's kind of a different thing isn't it?

>>60631770
>>>/r/soros

Sounds like a false flag to me.

>>60631789
I'm a little confused. If net neutrality is/was a thing, you'll get the same speed regardless of website, right?

If so, why would people support it? Is it a way for big companies like google and facebook to generate more income? What's the idea behind charging money for specific sites?

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>>60631667
The internet is owned by giant cyberpunk nightmare mega-corporations called ISPs and the majority of the people in the US have access to only one ISP from which to purchase internet access.

The only thing protecting us from them charging $150 a month for 200MB capped 56k is that they are regulated like a public utility. In the same way that the government needs to have clean water laws because people can't just go get "the other water," right now we have some minimum level of consumer protections in place for the internet.

Corporations like Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T are fighting to remove those consumer protections for very obvious reasons and the current head of the FCC, the governing body of those regulations, is a former Verizon lobbyist who is going along with their wishes in the face of millions of people explicitly demanding otherwise.

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>>60631671
>>60631766
Yes goyim, let us throttle your connection to antisemite websites like this one. Good goyim

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Its even worse here, we are cucked by Brussels so that everyone has to be cucked into net neutrality

>>60631292
>Batman Slappybummer
>Bald Knob AR

Noice

>>60631874
So its just an issue for Americans? If so, as a 3rd worlder, that's a relief.

If those big companies do get their way, wont some other company like google fiber step in with better rates since its almost guaranteed that people will opt for it?

Why are they doing it in the first place? Are they not making profits from the current price plans?

>>60631837
Net neutrality STOPS them from charging you for different sites. Right now they have to give a flat rate which they promise to provide regardless. The government wants to repeal this and make it so you have to pay money on a per-service basis much like you do with cable televison. And yes, it is a way for big companies to generate more money. Although it'll be the ISP's making the cash, not websites like Google and Facebook.

>>60631950
Setting up a new ISP in America is pretty much impossible, even Google is really struggling with it. It'd be like trying to make your own alternative road system, the investment cost is massive.

>>60631950
Comcast has already successfully sued to keep Google Fiber out of some cities so they can maintain their regional monopolies.

It's interesting you mention Google because that raises the point that the cost of competing in the ISP market is so astronomically high that only another giant corporation could even do it. In fact the only reason the existing monopolies were able to get going was with huge subsidies from the US and state governments in the 90's to build their infrastructure.

>>60631875
Trump would never let them throttle the place that got him elected. You're just mad plebbit and tumblr are going down.

>>60632043
this

personally i welcome this with open arms

the idiot right wing trump dumpsters only exist because they found a platform where they can beat their chests and fuck up the world for everyone without consequence

once this finally gets through, they will be the first ones flushed down the toilet by the dem-controlled media and telecoms

this really cant happen fast enough tbqh

>>60632043
Kek

>>60632043
You think these corporations would let something as minor as a president stop them from maintaining power? Who exactly do you think answers to who in this country?

>>60632043
>/pol/ is actually this delusional

>>60632043
>So retarded that you think Trumpenstein decides who gets throttled after net neutrality is gone
>>>r/the_donald

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>>60631671
>>60632043

this is what /pol/ actually believes

>>60631874
Clearest /quick rundown/ of this issue I've heard yet.

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>>60631950

>implying the USA isn't a third world country that just isn't self-aware

>>60631667
NN is basically that all internet information is treated equally, kinda like a telephone service. You get the same quality connection, regardless of who you call.

In practice, it protects freedom of speech. Government is bound by the chains of the constution and censorship is difficult for them. If the control is left to ISP's, they can censor anything they want.
Add to this the fact that he government uses NGO's to do things it's not allowed to, and the danger to free speech becomes apparent.

Comcast/Verison Shills will tell you it's about government control and bandwidth, but it's really about the control of information. Control the info, and you control the people.
Society used to be controlled by the MSM. With the rise of the internet, they've lost that control and want it back. The very companies that have misinformed the people through MSM are the ones that would benefit from a loss of NN.

The ISP shills will also tell you that there was never net neutrality so nothing will change anyway. This is a lie. There used to be lots of competition, so ISP's had to treat people right or they would just move to another ISP. That's not true anymore, ISP's have become large and few like the MSM. We don't have the choices we used to.

Without NN, there would be nothing stopping Comcast from blocking comcastsucks.net, 4chan or anything they don't approve of. They'll tell you "we wouldn't do that", and they wouldnt at first. It'll start slow like censoring pedo sites, and who would object to that? Next, extremest content, then who knows. NN is a line to prevent the boiling frog effect that will lead to a loss of dissenting voices.

>>60632207
>Without NN, there would be nothing stopping Comcast from blocking comcastsucks.net, 4chan or anything they don't approve of. They'll tell you "we wouldn't do that", and they wouldnt at first. It'll start slow like censoring pedo sites, and who would object to that? Next, extremest content, then who knows. NN is a line to prevent the boiling frog effect that will lead to a loss of dissenting voices.
TWC was actually caught doing this, they were purposely throttling Leage of Legends servers and trying to strong arm Riot into paying TWC to unfuck it

>>60632080
>Silence those that I disagree with
Did you think through the implications of that?
This comment is as shallow and closed-minded as typical /pol/.

>>60631981
Companies like google and facebook can use cucknet to lock out competition, ie by paying ISP's to charge less for their premium services(remember google and facebook get revenue from advertisement, the more people who use their service the more they earn, it's in their best interest to bolster users whatever the cost)

Imagine a world where access to google was $5 a month, bing $8 and duckduckgo, who couldn't afford to pay for the racket, $15.

Because of the way the internet market works, isps providing access and content providers making money off add revenue, allowing ISPs to shape bandwidth per paying content creator will completely break any kind of sustainable economic model.

Basically a non net neutrality internet is a dream come true for big megacorps on both sides and shit for the rest of us.

>>60631981
But with cable tv, isn't it the channels themselves that charge you for viewing them (fox, bein whatever)? If the same shit was to apply to the internet, wont facebook, google etc. have a case to make if ISP's start making money off of users visiting those sites? Cause it might result in lower traffic to those sites, which they certainly wouldn't want.

>>60632017
>>60632018
So its like what happened in Australia and why their internet is so shit.

You can sorta relate this to United, American and Delta bitching to the US government about Middle Eastern airlines taking their customers.

Does this also somehow tie in to NSA/CIA spying, in that it makes it easier for them to gather information if theres only 2-3 ISP's in the whole country as opposed to a lot more?

And letting public forum have direct sway over policy is a stupid fucking idea anyways. Wheeler did it and got away with it because it was just reddit and imgur communities screeching OMG HOW AWWWWWFUL WE ALL NEED TO GO COMMENT ON IT RIIIGHT NOOOW, but now that the opposite flooding is happening it's ebil ebil ebil! nasty ebil gop! its all a ploy goy!

>>60632390
>but now that the opposite flooding
It's bots, innit? That seems morally dubious honestly.

>>60632390
>its just as bad to have real people talk about their opinion as rando bots spamming the same message over and over

>>60630983
found the libtard

>>60632434
This isn't even a political issue. This is pretty much just people vs corporations like usual. What about this makes you think it's a liberal thing?

>>60632434
>If you can't dispute the facts, use ad hom attacks
Weak

>>60632460
should I be reporting these things? This is not a /pol/ thread just because a government is involved. This isn't even a political issue.

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>net neutrality

Into the trash.

Absolutely nobody cares about your mentally ill crybully SJW shit. Get over it before the day of the rope comes.

>>60632510

but god commander put fcc man in job so only mad libs dont like net nutral be gone dont fall for jwe scam duhhhhhhhh

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>>60632434
>>60632043
>>60631766
>>60632522
Are we being raided by r/the_donald?
I don't even think /pol/ is dumb enough to still suck trumps dick

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>>60632486
>>60632458
>>60632510

>>60632552
trump, yes, but even they are pretty universally against this bald faced corporate power grab. Just remind them Ajit Pai was appointed to the FCC by Obama first and they turn pretty quick.

>>60632532
He was appointed by Obama.

>muh 4 dimensional chess
fuck off

Why do so many people conflate a neutral internet(pre 2015) to Net Neutrality™?

Do all of you honestly believe that government control of the internet is in anyone's best interest?

I don't think it should be up to the ISP monopolies either, but I don't think FCC control is the magical fix like all of you seem to believe.

>>60632606

not to position he has now, he was recommended to be on commision by mcconalds and oboma agreed but put wheeler in place who was commie dummy that only want net nutrals but trump person said NO no more net nutral here pajit man you boss now

>>60632043
are you ok?

>>60632261
Comcast throttled netflix until they paid a ransom.

> America is owned by corporations
> They voted for a corporate plutocrat that dodged taxes
> Surprised this is happening
At least we got all those liberals butthurt right?
MAGA

>>60632522
>>60631671
>>60632043

i feel like this is a ruse
good samefagging my friend

>>60632618
I don't understand your use of the word "control" here. Nobody is arguing for handing the government absolute control over internet traffic. Others are arguing, however, that we hand absolute control of internet traffic over to Comcast and AT&T. So it's not exactly one or the other.

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>>60632669
>>60632637
>>60632609

shill while you still can, normies

jungle jesus can't save you now

>>60632669
>implying i voted for a corporatist nut job

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What the fuck are we supposed to do about it? The telecom companies have congress and the white house in their pockets.

>>60632688
Once you give the FCC regulatory powers over ISP, you've given control of the internet to the government.
They abused and continue to abuse the shit out of "decency laws" to keep a tight stranglehold over what you can and can't say on TV, radio, and printed media. Give them regulatory power over ISPs and you'll end up with a similar situation like the UK and SK.

>>60632699
here's your (you)

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>>60632706
Well friend, if it doesn't matter what we do then we can do whatever we want.

>>60632706

No they don't.

The tech companies have way more power and money.

>>60632732
You are simply repeating the same troll bullshit that is always parroted in these threads. The FCC will not have the ability to censor the internet, just like they don't have the ability to censor HBO. Net neutrality was FCC policy right up until Verizon/Comcast sued them and started this whole shitstorm.

>>60632732
>Give them regulatory power over ISPs and you'll end up with a similar situation like the UK and SK
We can already see that hasn't happened. Given control over internet regulations and all they want to do is give it back to their corporate handlers. That's exactly how we got here in the first place.

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the neet tears in this thread are delicious

what're you going to do when they take away your chinese cartoons and your freetard os?

are you going to cry?

>>60632732
>supporing your """argument""" with ad hominems
>meanwhile websites are actually being throttled today, in an attempt by the ISPs to squeeze cash out of both ends of their line

>>60632043
4D bait right there. Bravo reddit.

>>60630983
the best part is, people have actually been having issues commenting meanwhile comcast magically is able to make 120,000+ posts in one day

its almost like someone is affecting their connections, it's almost like this is why we need net neutrality

really makes you think

>wants internet freedom
>wants the (((fcc))) running the internet

kys

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>>60632706
This.
>The 265 members of Congress who sold you out to ISPs, and how much it cost to buy them
https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/15100620/congress-fcc-isp-web-browsing-privacy-fire-sale

Some congressmen even own stock in ISP's
-30 own Comcast shares
-42 own ATT shares
-40 own Verison shares
>pic related

I really don't see how you retards don't get it.

Less regulation = more freedom.

Point blank.

>>60632770
>>60632782
Speta agrees that a future FCC could impose an Internet tax in the future, but he says it’s doubtful in a contested political environment.

“Commissioner Pai is right—if the FCC wins the D.C. Circuit case, and wins reclassification of the Internet under Title II, that gives the FCC the legal authority to do things it couldn’t do, such as rate regulations and universal services taxes,” Speta said.

“The FCC has tried to impose a light form of Title II, but if they win the reclassification case, a next FCC could do even more.” said James Speta, a telecommunications and Internet policy expert at Northwestern University.

>>60632903
sub-mediocre bait

>>60632878
>Members of congress aren't allowed to play the stock market

>>60631753
Isn't that the solution? Opening the ISP market?

>>60632903
Freedom for corporations to squeeze you for every penny you're worth maybe

>>60632965
How do you propose doing that when it costs billions of dollars to even get your foot into the industry?

>>60632770
Except that isn't bullshit. They've done it before and they'll do it again. I pay for cable that isn't "basic access" or "OTA" and they still stick their greasy thumbs into it and say AAAAAA THATS INDECENT STOP IT STOP IT

>>60632782
>We can already see that hasn't happened.
Sure fucking happened in the UK and SK where they gave government bodies the ability to regulate ISP activity.

>>60632793
>ad hominems
Don't use logical fallacies you don't know the definitions of.

>>60632965
Okay, how do you propose we do that? Because revoking Net Neutrality would only stand to give more power and money to the existing monopolies and nothing else.

>>60632999
No. It would allow the free market to settle the issue.

>>60632965
Didn't existing ISPs specifically go out of their way to fuck over Google when they tried Google Fiber?
I recall it was a shitton of red tape and dealing with existing ISPs what killed it. ISPs in particular had a huge hand since they lobby for that red tape anyways

>>60632944
Funny that this wouldn't be an issue at all if Verizon didn't sue the FCC in the first place. I'd rather pay a tax than have to pay $5 every time I want to use Netflix.

>>60632903
>more freedom
Yea, for the corporate ISP's to screw the people.

The government says my call to a politically disagreeable organization must be connected the same as any other.
>This takes away from the carriers freedom.
Yes it does, and for good reason. Communication infrastructure is vital and should not be controlled by corporations whose only value is profit.

>>60632991
>Sure fucking happened in the UK and SK
And in Canada and Australia it's $150/month for 8GB capped landline from their deregulated internet monopolies. Which is exactly what we're talking about now, not some hypothetical future problem that you could imagine someone having someday maybe. We can talk about that if it's ever not imaginary.

>>60631874
We was shadowruns n shit

>>60633023
No you have to actually say how, you can't just appeal to magic like that.

>>60632991
>Except that isn't bullshit.
It is.

>they still stick their greasy thumbs into it and say AAAAAA THATS INDECENT STOP IT STOP IT
Nope. That would be the Christian fundamentalists that own Clear Channel. The FCC has no authority to regulate content on private cable networks.

i knew /g/ was full of freetard communist bullshit, but not to this degree

when are you going to wake up and realize that you lost

>>60633025
That happened in Colorado. We were next on the fiber block but we have laws that prevent companies not already here from starting an ISP

It's kanker

>>60633054
They aren't monopolies. Comcast and CenturyLink compete.

>>60633028
>if Verizon didn't sue the FCC in the first place.

Which came after "Title II lite" was put into place

>I'd rather pay a tax than have to pay $5 every time I want to use Netflix.

Had netflix before 2015. Don't remember having to do that.

>>60632960
Sure they can, but they're not allowed to have a conflict of interests when it comes to their positions.

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>regulating the internet will make the internet free
>this is what liberals actually believe

you have to go back

>>60633120
>Had netflix before 2015. Don't remember having to do that.
Yes, so you were benefiting from FCC regulation. The FCC started enforcing net neutrality (but didn't use that term) in 2005. Prior to that they had said that ISPs should follow those guidelines, but never had a reason to take action.

>>60633035
>The government says my call to a politically disagreeable organization must be connected the same as any other.

Until they don't.


I don't want the Jews that run these ISPs to be anymore rich and powerful than the next guy, but to say that the government must come in and gain regulatory power over them feels wrong.

To say that the government has your best interests at heart and are only doing this to stop THEM EBIL CORPS is laughable.

>>60633162
Not him, but what are you even arguing here? He's saying the telecom companies will fuck us over for money right away, and you're just saying that the government MIGHT stop preventing them from doing that in future.

>>60632878
>All of congress owns shares in megacorps
>Leader of FCC is a former verizion shill
>Government and megacorps have basically merged into one and work together to enslave us with advanced technology
Cyberpunk is already reality

>>60633153
>benefitting from (((regulation)))
You sound absolutely cucked to death. The cognitive dissonance here is astounding.

>>60633079
Open your eyes.

I'll put this in a way that even a /pol/ock can understand...
>Who controls your mind 2020
could very well be:
>Comcast
>TWC
>Charter
>Verison
>ATT

We've kinda broken free from the control of the MSM. Why would you want to just hand the control back to the very corporations that controlled the MSM?
What if they're liberal?
Who will run them in the future?
Do you really think that the owners of CNN will allow you access to /pol/?

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A strange feeling of déjà-vu.
I wonder how many times we've had the exact same discussions over and over again.

>>60633187
>just saying that the government MIGHT stop preventing them from doing that in future.

No, you should never run to the government for magical protections, that give them authority over entities that they previously didn't, all the while thinking they have your best interest in mind and are not just gaining power.

>>60633206
>Who will run them in the future?

The government.

>>60633206
you'd rather let the government control our minds?

at least there's some competition

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>>60630983
tl;dr you're opposed to un-cucking the internet.

>>60633301
>post count didn't go up
Stop samefagging

Looks like an obvious false flag.

Lol I don't even know what net neutrality is

>>60633103
>that prevent companies not already here from starting an ISP
The fuck?

cuck city bitch cuck cuck city bitch

>>60633560
The ISPs lobby the local government to deny permits for installing new cable infrastructure. If they can't build anything new, then they can't offer service.

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>>60633140
>letting your masters decide which websites you are allowed access through throttling means you have more freedom

>>60633401
refer to
>>60631874

How screwed is the uk in comparison to the us?

>>60634299
Net neutrality is not an issue in Yurup. It's been set in stone for decades everywhere other than the US.

>>60631657
>normalfags go down
normalfags wont be affected at all, at most they will just pay up whatever fee equivalent to the price of a connection to enable unthrottled internet-TV service for his service of choice (amazon,netflix), o ther than that, they couldn't care less as long as favebook and instagram continue to upload their selfie 10sec clips fast

and no amount VPN will help you when everything but select sources are slow as hell, or bandwitdh in lowered to 128kbps for the rest of the month in the first week each month

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>>60633108
What the fuck is a CenturyLink? Okay here is where I think your understanding of this breaks down. Just because there exists more than one company providing internet in the country, and because SOME of the time they are in the same place does not mean they are not monopolies. The VAST majority of the country has access to only one and can't go anywhere else.

Here's a pair of maps to help you understand. Top is the entire internet connected US, bottom is the percent of the US that has access to more than one ISP for that internet. These are monopolies we are talking about. That is not up for debate. That is the fact we are working with.

>>60635602
They aren't monopolies. There are literally hundreds of different ISPs in the US, and they aren't forced to stay in one area. If they care about growing profits for their shareholders, they'll compete.

Sounds like somebody needs to go back to TESC.

>>60635602
>Here's a pair of maps to help you understand. Top is the entire internet connected US, bottom is the percent of the US that has access to more than one ISP for that internet. These are monopolies we are talking about. That is not up for debate. That is the fact we are working with.

Your "facts" are wrong.

Most places have Cable and a DSL/Fiber option.

Now some DSl companies do upgrade to Fiber, mostly where it's profitable, so they can compete with cable.

>>60635634
what the fuck look at the map
I included a fucking visual aide how is this still hard for you

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>>60635643
>>60635602

Wow look at this ISP mopoly. Literally only 1 single ISP.

>>60635634
>>60635643
Get fucked, Ajit.

>>60630983
Oh man, you murricans are fucked.

>Ajit Pai, former Verizon lawyer and Verizon lobbyist now head of the FCC, says he has no choice but to consider all the blatant spam bots opinions
Fucking kek, so he knows they are bots, but still want to consider their opinion?

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>>60635660
>>60635643
>>60635634
>the Comcast shills all show up at the same time 4 hours into the thread

>>60635663
>>60635648
face it
net neutrality is for normies
this isn't your turf, pajit

Anyhow. If it weren't for supposed "monopolies" a lot of cities or areas would be left without internet since nobody would want to build internet in many unprofitable neighborhoods.

Do you retards ever stop and think why "monopolies' even exist?

>>60635702

>anyone who isn't a marxist must be an isp shill

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>>60631874
uh oh

This is literally the most libtarded shit I've seen on here in years

>>60635711
Because they were literally fucking required to. The very first thing Ajit Pai did when he got in was repeal requirements for ISPs to offer internet to public schools and low income housing developments. That was the very first fucking thing to go.

>>60635764

>Because they were literally fucking required to.

No, because they made deals with local municipalities you mognoloid.

>>60635781
>"""made deals"""
https://arstechnica.com/business/2015/04/comcast-brings-fiber-to-city-that-it-sued-7-years-ago-to-stop-fiber-rollout/

>>60635727
>deregulating monopolies is now a political stance
they got you good my dude

>>60635660
Wow that's great. I should get Charter... oh wait they don't offer service in my area because they made a deal with Comcast to not compete. Will that's cool I'll just get Verizon... oh wait they don't offer service here either. Weird, it's like there's a monopoly for Comcast in my area or something.

>>60635838
they aren't monopolies you cuck

>>60635850
they're monopolies fag
go make one tomorrow and come back and tell me about it

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>>60635727
>wanting any regulation whatsoever makes you a marxist

>>60635850
This isn't worth arguing against 10 times in one thread. Scroll up.

Let me redpill you on net "neutrality:" It's keeping our technology industry and economy literally cucked beyond belief.

Have you ever heard of any other countries regulating their ISPs? No. This is why we're falling behind to China and India. They don't have these regulations there.

If you support net neutrality, you might as well invite the government to cuck you.

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>>60635913
>"Let me redpill you"
>poster count doesn't go up
>throw in a couple "cuck"s so you really know I'm one of you fellow 4chan.com users

>>60635913
This is the most fucking bullshit string of prepared talking points. Do you really believe you can make it looks like there is a single person that genuinely supports your power grab here, Comcast? Do you have any idea how fucking transparent this is. Go back to fuciing botting the FCC, they're at least paid to believe you.

>>60635947
>>60635992
>ad hominem arguments
You know you're wrong. You're just too brainwashed by Linux freetards and communists to realize it.

>>60630983
We are losing net neutrality because the average American is a moron and incapable of understanding something so important to their privacy. THEN AGAIN, we already have been living in a country with the Patriot Act, NDAA 2013, and the USA "Freedom" Act of 2015. Essentially, America is turbofucked.

>>60632522
>net neutrality
>mentally ill crybully SJW shit
This is an issue that affects your usage of the internet, from privacy to your use of streaming services, and your response is that it is an SJW issue? I hope nobody is actually this braindead.

>>60636052
I'm pretty sure the only reason you defend this commie shit is because you don't want anybody finding out about your weeb porn. Tell me that isn't SJW nonsense. Competition is always better.

>>60632118
/pol/ doesn't know their stance on net neutrality because they don't know who the players are or what anyone actually intends to do with the laws.

Now that it's become obvious a corporation is blatantly shilling and using underhanded tactics + corruption to get anti NN laws passed, you're going to start seeing more of /pol/ coming out against it.

t. polack

>>60636030
Not worth it argue this for the 11th time in one thread. Scroll up. There's even a handy map for you.

>>60635839

Yeah, it's like someone is forcing you to live in that area. How about you move, faggot.

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>>60636080
keep telling yourself that, shill

>>60636080

Lets see who's for NN:

Hillary
Obama
Bernie
Schumer
Feinsten

etc

true /pol/'s is very anti-NN and anti-regulation

>>60636109
>lol, just go to another country if the regional monopolies are a problem xd
Just fucking kill yourself already. Shit like net neutrality wouldn't even be needed if the government didn't get paid off by lobbyists from Comcast to put in fucking anti competition laws to begin with.
>hurdur y other countries don't have it
Because you're a fucking nigger.

>>60636143
Nice ad hominems, faggot.
When are you going to accept that you lost? The people have spoken. Net neutrality is anti competitive, archaic libshit.

>>60636143

Another city, or even neighborhood. There's plenty of cities with gigabit fiber.

>if the government didn't get paid off by lobbyists from Comcast to put in fucking anti competition laws to begin with.

What laws? The supposed "anti-competition" that only exist in half the states. What about the other states were there are no such laws.

You don't know what you're talking about.

>>60636126
Good point, /pol/ is full of pathetic drumpkin yes-men. They don't have independent opinions of their own anymore.

>>60636173
>The people have spoken
Bots*

>>60636183
>only exist in half the states
Wow, I'm glad only half the states are fucked then!

>>60636195
So what? The one or two bots pale in comparison to the army of bots sent in by neutralityfags.

>>60636126
And then you tell /pol/ that Obama is the one that appointed Ajit Pai, the guy dismantling NN right now and they get all quiet and start sweating. This issue can't be understood by looking at the government. Here's a much more important list.

Let's see who's against NN:

Comcast
Verizon
Time Warner
AT&T

>>60636186
>/pol/ is one person
Just like everyone on /g/ is a window /v/irgin

>>60636209
Cool cool okay I'm positive you have a single source for that claim. Like why wouldn't you have even one? Of course you do and we're all about to see it.

>>60636217
its true
trump would fire ajit pai but his hands are tied

>>60636186
go back to plebbit

>>60636229
Only the true /pol/'s are one person. To be fair, that's only 99.9% of them.

>>60632985

Easy.

Smoke out the fucking lobbyists in Washington and stop voting for people who associate with them.

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>>60631874
>is that they are regulated like a public utility
Nope. In the USA they are not and never have been. If I remember correctly, the relevant parts of the legislation are set to kick in this December or something.

>are fighting to remove those consumer protections
They're fighting to keep them from ever starting in the first place. Like I said, the net neutrality stuff people talk about IS NOT CURRENTLY NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN ACTIVELY IN PLACE. That's not to say it shouldn't be, and I'm glad people are taking action to try to get there, but please don't spread misinformation about the subject. The fight here is *not* to keep the status quo, it's to actively institute new protections in light of the increasing importance of the internet in modern society.

>>60636217

So those companies are against the government regulating their business. Who would've thought.Also you forgot T-Mobile, Sprint, Google Fiber etc.

>>60636232

Obama appointed Pai because he had to. That's how Clyburn is still part of the FCC.

>>60636308

No it's not that easy.

Google even with massive pockets pulled out because it was bleeding money.

This after the fact that they got way better deals from municipalities than every other ISP.

>>60636338
Nono ya no i knew that was unclear and was probably going to bite me. They are not literally classified as utilities but they are regulate like one in that there are some minimum consumer protective regulations imposed on them at the national level because someone at some point realized they fit the exact definition of a utility.

>>60636340
T-Mobile yes, Google no actually, Sprint I don't know probably. And do NOT speak ill of Mignon Clyburn that woman is a fucking saint. You should be thanking her every day for fighting for you.

>>60630983
>Is it time for /not your personal army/ to intervene yet?
No
I want to see reddit finally burn for their faggotry
Plenty of people attacked Obongo during the AnonOps and Lulzsec days, it wasn't nearly enough for those statist cucks to stop licking their King
Now r/the_donald it's going to have the same fate

>>60632552
>I don't even think /pol/ is dumb enough to still suck trumps dick
Only r/the_donald does, it was obvious during /mlpol/, unfortunately the vast majority of /pol/ it's rddit
Just like how /spa/ proved Canadians are behind every shitpost and all the /pol/ name calling in other boards

>>60636380
>woman
>fucking saint

get a look at this beta

>>60636368

It is. You're just small-minded.

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It don't matter. None of this matters. At any point some mid-level hacker could just convert their IOT botnet into invisible IPFS nodes and bye bye ISPs.

so am I fucked or not
answer the question

>>60632203
Genuinely curious, why wouldn't burgerland be first world? When I think "first world," I think of 'murica.

>>60632203
You have a fundamental misunderstanding about what "first world" means.

>>60636456

Explain how then.

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>>60636504

USA as a whole, with a massive landscape, has better internet than most Yurocucks.

Also We have true 1/1gig internet whereas most yurocuck gig internet is like 500mbit.

>>60636308
No, honestly nothing short of straight up nationalizing the internet infrastructure would solve this problem permanently. But since that's insane and has tons of it's own problems the best we can do is at least keep our cyberpunk nightmare corporations on a leash.

I don't know why we have these shills pretending to be from /pol/ and using fake opinions to associate /pol/ with anti-net neutrality.

But I will tell you this. My government launched a nationwide fibre network across my entire country (New Zealand) and about 1/3rd of the population are connected to it so far. It was pushed out as part of a post-GFC stimulus package.

It has turned out amazingly, because even though there is one major cable owning utility (Spark) who own the entire telephone/cable network, it is 51% government owned, 49% privately owned. We get completely subsidized installation for installing Fibre cable once it reaches your area. It is by far one of the best things ever done here by our government.

By comparison, in Australia, they have a god-awful internet provided by Telstra through old tv cable. They actually spend hundreds of millions lobbying the Australian government to prevent them rolling out a similar fibre program, because it would compete with their complete monopoly.

Keep fighting for Net Neutrality lads.

>>60636126
>true /pol/'s is very anti-NN and anti-regulation
Yeah, and anti-kike and anti-corporativism
No NN would be perfect if there was even the slightest competition on telecomms, but there's none, telecomms are literally part of the government which is obvious when you have a former Comcast faglord as the head of the FCC

>>60636505
What officially categorizes countries into "first world" and "third world?"

A ton of websites say different things.

let's be real here
only degenerate beta freaks with antisocial porn paraphelias support net neutrality

>>60636546
In Mexico the government went against the telecomm monopoly, since then speeds have skyrocketed to the point that they have faster LTE than the US and massive investment has rolled in from AT&T and other telecomm giants
>>60636564
>yes goyim you only need facebook

>>60636547

There is competiton.

If there weren't, we would all still be only dial up, or 10mbit internet.

No competition, why even bother upgrading, right?

irrelevant

trump's going to fire ajit pai next

the purge is only just beginning, my friends

'member when reddit was anti-net neutralitity?

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>>60636605
>No competition, why even bother upgrading, right?
Which is why you have datacaps, the actual infrastructure hasn't been upgraded in most places, that's why they're forced to do ridiculous datacaps and have ridiculous congestion
>>60636621
totally :^)

>>60631770
I'm going to make lots of money on net neutrality and I hate it.
>>60631766

But seriously fuck you world and all you dumb fucks living on it I don't care go get what you deserve you faggots.
>>60631770

>Why shill if you're not getting paid for it?

They get free shills now because they think net neutrality will mean Brianna Wu can take disgusting shits in her choice of k12 little girls rooms if net neutrality passes.

>>60636564
You have a complete misunderstanding of NN, t_d.

How would you feel about paying 3¢ per search on Google, or paying extra on your monthly bill to access YouTube in 1080p?

NN is the only thing keeping ISPs from doing this shit, and greedy regional internet monopolies like Cox and Comcast are going to be the first ones to do it.

Like previous anons have said, this has already been done on a smaller level. Comcast throttled access to Netflix servers until they paid a ransom.

>>60636650
>implying trump lies
Buttcucked libtard spotted.

>>60636650
>Which is why you have datacaps, the actual infrastructure hasn't been upgraded in most places, that's why they're forced to do ridiculous datacaps and have ridiculous congestion

I don't have data caps. Most people don''t have data caps. Keep reaching.

>>60636546

As an Aussie I'm jealous of you guys. I waited 5 YEARS for my NBN and when it finally rolled out at the start of this year It only bumped my speed up from 500kb/s to 3mb/s. We got fucked over HARD by Rupert Murdoch just so he can keep selling us fucking foxtel subscription packages here.

>>60636650
maybe you should lay off the salon, vice and vox

Remember, you're already paying your ISP to provide access to all other networks. Do you really think that your ISP would lower your bill if they could selectively charge more for i.e. Youtube access? Of course they wouldn't. Repealing net neutrality is just a money grab. Internet is already effectively a monopoly with the large amount of regulation that prevents new competitors from coming in. If the government would let the free market work, there wouldn't even be discussion about net neutrality.

Why are there so many net neutrality shills crawling out of the woodwork all of a sudden

>>60636512

Stop.

Voting.

For them.

>>60636712
>reddit spacing

>>60631070
well what the fuck can we do? I mean just doxing pai is probably going to end up with him whining "see this is why we need to get rid of anonymity on the internet" or something. Hell, we could probably find evidence of him physically sucking the CEO of comcast's dick and not much would happen.

Reminder: A true ancap would never support net neutrality.

>>60636700
>If the government would let the free market work

What government?

Your """government""" is actually the local city council.

>THE FATE OF INTERNET IS AT STAKE
>THE INTERNET WILL DIE IF WE MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO, TRUST ME, I SAW A YOUTUBE VIDEO WITH FANCY ANIMATIONS THAT EXPLAINED IT TO ME


I expect better of you /g/

>>60636700
Look who's fallen for the net neutrality meme!

>>60633202
Listen to how these guys are gradually becoming more cultlike. All the special insider (((language))). Canned goto reasons for everything.

Just like an SJW really

>>60636724
>doxing pai
Protesters have shown up at his house, his address is already apparently publicly available somewhere. He doesn't care. He's a sociopath who only understands attacks against his wallet. Seriously, watch this and tell me he's not clearly a fucking Patrick Bateman level sociopath:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBt84HNAGwU

>>60636722

What the fuck are you talking about

>>60636730
>Reminder: A true ancap would never support net neutrality.
Nice try cocksucker. We're not a bunch of far left hipsters that need to be part of something.

We just disagree with you and understand something you don't.

>>60636763
as if you college flannel shirt wearing fucks with your cartoon videos about net neutrality and spiky hair aren't a certified cult

>>60636771
Disregard that. They're trying to make that a thing like the "ok hand sign" but in reverse.

>>60636700
Why would an ISP risk losing potential customer base just to take water from a stone?

This is the problem with the net neutrality fervor; its fears aren't really economically feasible.

>oh! but it happened with netflix!

First of all, netflix isn't some tiny little business that comcast just decided to bully for extra cash, its one of the biggest draws of internet activity in the world. comcast decided that it wasn't worth sacrificing the usability of the rest of thier system for this one service that was hogging bandwidth and crushing their system

>B..BUT A YOUTUBE VIDEO SAID INTERNET SPEEDS DIDNT GET ANY BETTER AFTER THEY PAID

That's not how the internet works you fucking morons.

The reality is that the closed gate fear completely invalidates the point of having an internet, thus making ISP's services extremely less appealing, which I guess there going to do because, why, they could potentially get a few bucks from msbertholdscookieemporium.net, or marksretardedpoliticalblog.ne?

An ISP makes a lot more money but just getting more customers.

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>>60636668
Totally never lied, that wall it's the most beautiful one ever and Mexico already paid for it, oh, and that trade deficit it's going to be zero
>>60636671
Keep dreaming Pajeet shill, most people in the US have data caps
>>60636688
Maybe you should go back to reality, Trump's a cuck who sold out within his first 100 days and now bows down to Saudi Arabia

>>60636768
that's what an alpha looks like
that's why you're uncomfortable

>>60636815
>Why would an ISP risk losing potential customer base just to take water from a stone?
Why wouldn't they when there's literally no other ISP thanks to those sweet exclusivity deals with municipal governments and no-competition pacts with the other ISP's in the country?

>>60636841
>no-competition pacts
sounds like (((progressive))) lies

>>60636815
Youtube is the most popular because comcast's customers use youtube. Note that netflix is ALREADY paying for access to comcast's network. This is literally how the internet works. Comcast in this case is trying to charge paying customers for something that they are already charging for. Comcast knows that customers do not understand how the internet works, and they use the wrong analogies to trick them. What honest company would do that? What kind of person ARE you?

>>60636841
because internet isn't actually a necessarily to life, especially when you can just as easily access the internet via phone or numerous public wifi hotspots?

>>60636793

Are you high?

>>60636838
Hi Ajit. I hope someone executes you in a gutter somewhere so we can all forget about you.

>>60636853
Sounds like you're a (((Comcast Pajeet))) shill
>>60636866
Yeah, just completely move the goalposts into something completely unrelated and add a nice false dichotomy on top, you're fucked kike

>>60636865
>WAHHH MUH NETFLIX IS SUCH A VICTIM

fucking shit you people are retarded. Netflix was causing service outages with the amount of bandwidth it was pushing in certain areas, so comcast said "pay to fix this, or we're not going to have your service in our system" that's it. I don't know what retarded point you're making about youtube but its not relevant. All that's relevant is that comcast went after netflix because it was too BIG, not because it was a small wittle service that it could kick around.

>>60636911
it's not a utility you retard
you want the government to fuck us over for internet just like they cuck us for electricity and water?

>>60636911
>moving the goalposts
>false dichotomy
stop using words you don't understand. none of those things apply here. it makes you look really fucking retarded.

>>60636853
I find it really hard to believe that anyone, even a /pol/tard, would believe that corporate monopolies are good for their customers.

>>60636957
say it with me, shill

not
monopolies

>>60632043
Why do you trust politicians?

>>60636957

Not monopolies.

Already debunked.

>>60636939
>stop using words you don't understand. none of those things apply here. it makes you look really fucking retarded.
They do, you are the one who looks like a desperate retarded shill, probably a Pajeet too
>>60636930
Yeah, rather get the jewish corporations (who are the government too, Pajit it's literally a former Comcast faglord) to completely cuck you left and right
>>60636957
They're literal Comcast and JTRIG shills
>>60636967
>yes goy just ignore how most of the US can't pick more than 1 ISP, and the lucky ones can pick between AT&T/Verizon/Comcast
>>60636982
Where's that? No one has debunked it

>>60636927
Netflix is already paying for access. The internet works because two separate networks pay each other to transfer data to and from each other's networks. Comcast wanted Netflix to pay even more than what it would normally cost to support this. The idea of "Netflix saturating our pipes" is a lie used by Comcast to gain sympathy from ignorant people like you. The issue was never a limit in technology or infrastructure. Again, stop trying to trick ignorant people and using falsehoods to prove your point.

Again, these are customers who PAID COMCAST to gain access to Netflix and other networks. If Comcast does not want to provide that access, you may want to ask why.

/g/ should be the last place to have net neutrality shills. Really goes to show how deep the deep state goes.

>>60636930
Private monopoly infrastructure is almost always more expensive and annoying than government regulated or even government run infrastructure.

Private non-monopoly infrastructure is really hard to get unless you get regulation just right.

Like net neutrality & forcing ISPs to grant each other access so ISPs can actually start small and grow if they are doing a good job at keeping customers that WANT to be with them.

>>60636967
Do i need to bring out the map again or can we all just scroll up? We can disagree about the policies but we are all working with the same facts here and IPSs are absolutely monopolies and there is no arguing that. There has never been, never will be, and could never even theoretically possibly be a free market for ISPs. That is not debatable. That is the fact. That is the point where debates can start.

>>60637000
>Private monopoly infrastructure is almost always more expensive and annoying than government regulated or even government run infrastructure.
This is true, Mexican telecomms stagnated for 20 years after the government owned telecomm monopoly was sold
It wasn't until the government came to break the monopoly by regulating the shit out of it (and letting competitors run free) that shit improved

>>60637000
sounds like you belong at evergreen, pajeet

>>60636982
>>60636967
Who the fuck do you think you're convincing? Most of the country has access to only one ISP. Period. There's no discussion to be had about that.

>>60637026
Says the guy who's literally shilling for Ajit Pai

this whole thread makes me want to kill myslef

>>60637034
Debunking a lie it's much more expensive than making one up, it's a classic shill tactic and one of COINTELPRO basic things Cryptome has on it's forum spies thing
Simple single or double sentences spam are great to sway opinion over well thought out paragraphs, the later won't be read by the majority

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>>60636967
>>60636982
Okay, let's talk. We need to talk.

What the fuck are you doing? What the actual fuck do you think you're doing here? You're not convincing anyone of your point, you're not even convincing anyone that any real people genuinely believe your point because we are all 100% familiar with your disinformation tactics. We can all plainly see that you're absolutely factually wrong about even the most basic points you're trying to make and we can all see straight through your motivations. So what the fuck do you think you're doing here? What?

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>>60637127
It's not disinformation. It's the truth.

Taking down net neutrality is the next step in un-cucking America.

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>>60637127
When you get retards from r/the_donald and the rest of rddit swarming the site through everywhere it's not hard for threads to go their way
>>60637159
Keep telling yourself that corpokike cuck

>>60637159
4chan isnt gonna be around no more , but ok

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>>60637121
Here's an easy solution. Way less than a paragraph and has the benefit of reality.

>>60637127

One of the oldest tricks in the book friend. Repetition. If you say something enough time it eventually becomes true. By beating their talking points into the heads of the undecided it increases the chance of them swaying to their side of the argument or being apathetic to it.

>>60637234
what I want to know is what is pennsylvania doing right? Do they have like state provided internet or something?

>>60637322
>the American Government providing any sort of state-sponsored services for its people

LOL
OLO
LOL

>>60637234
normies, always trying to solve problems with fake pictures

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JUST

>>60637368
These maps are literally the ones used by the FCC themselves and are from their own website. What exactly are you arguing?

>>60637404
they're fake

>>60637322
Kek. American tax doesn't go to services, it goes to the military.

>>60637338
>>60637504
Okay well then what are they doing to get so many ISPs willing to actually compete like some kind of a non-monopolized market?

>>60636724
We need to place a thousand pizza orders with his name and address. He should have no choice but to consider them his responsibility.

>>60637368
>>60637451
You're fake fucking kike
Why not prove it instead of just spamming?

>>60637024
Happened in many places in one or another variant. Just ask Australians how much they love Telstra vs its government-run predecessor.

>>60637159
>cuck
They don't keep you shills up to date on maymays very well.

>>60637038
These threads are always like this, anon. Big ISPs have tons of money to throw around so they can afford to pay people to post misinformation all day long. At least the military grade encryption threads are somewhat amusing.

You think you can make a difference online?
Kek

The only way to fix this is to go out and start shooting. You need to murder the culprits as nothing else will work.

Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent change inevitable.

>>60636467
i want to hear more from this guy

reminder that the current generation of reactionary hipsters infesting the site via /pol/ will reverse tide within 3 to 4 years as they only support whatever is not the prevailing popular opinion since it allows them feel far more clued in than they actually ever were
some of us have been here long enough to watch this pendulum of retardation swing against Bush and then Obama, it's literally just a function of how far into a president's term and what party
but most of them think they are free thinking, which is sort of scary and sad

>>60638164
He's predicting a future where the internet is actually decentralized with traffic running through everything connected to the internet, from your laptop, to your neighbors toaster, etc.

>>60630983
>Net neutrality cucks use bots to flood FCC site and spam petitions
>get found out
>proceed to do a false flag and claim anti-Net Neutrality gentlemen were behind it

lmao you cucks are so pathetic and stupid for thinking anyone would actually fall for this. I hope you all enjoy prison for trespassing on his property. http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/14/activists-showed-up-outside-fcc-chairman-ajit-pais-home-on-mothers-day/

>>60631292
>cherry picking the few racist people
>few

delusional

>>60631753
>the government has created a monopoly in a few places so the solution is to give more power to the government so they can fix it!

Anime posters are literally this retarded.

>>60638292
>the government has created a monopoly in a few places so the solution is to give more power to the government so they can fix it
I'm sorry you're not allowed to make an argument that concedes ISPs are already monopolies and then say the solution is to give them absolute control. That's why you see so many shills resorting to simply claiming they are not monopolies in the first place. Because there's no way to go from there to deregulation. Everyone on all sides thinks that's absolutely the worst case scenario for America.

>>60638236
is such a thing possible?

>>60636340
google is for NN dumbass

>>60633140
Yeah, keep samefagging, shill.

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>>60633140
>getting triggered by the word regulation

>>60638595
it is on silicon valley

>>60630983
Reminder that Romania used to have government-regulated internet until its people overthrew and killed its corrupt dictator. The result? Everyone in Romania has unbelievably cheap, symmetrical gigabit over fiber.

The same will happen here, but these NEETs who support net neutrality have no idea how the real world works, so they'd rather fuck everyone over instead of allow everyone in America to get cheap, symmetrical 10 gigabit Internet over fiber.

>>60642094
>Reminder that Romania used to have government-regulated internet until its people overthrew and killed its corrupt dictator. The result? Everyone in Romania has unbelievably cheap, symmetrical gigabit over fiber.
Because of the work that the gov did.

>but these NEETs who support net neutrality have no idea how the real world works
*The neet ancaps who are against it.

>so they'd rather fuck everyone over instead of allow everyone in America to get cheap, symmetrical 10 gigabit Internet over fiber.
How would killing net neutrality help you with that? It will only make american internet shittier.

The market is better at regulating ISPs than the government you cucks.

>>60642783
Yeah, sure thing, heh. As proven by the events until now.

>>60642872
Why until now? What's so different about NN ?

>>60642938
Net neutrality is the state of affairs until now. Lots of regulation that stopped providers from discriminating data packages.

If one arrived at their network they had to forward it at the same rate and cost as other packages, regardless of origin, destination, contained data type...

It largely means that eBay or Paypal couldn't pay Comcast or Verizon to have their store in premium tier 1 service quality and everyone else in tier 99 : horseshit data dropping slow edition. And that Comcast or Verizon couldn't sell you a premium +$200 / month internet package "Including access to internet image boards like 4chan and the European Internet".

>>60643009
Of course this is an obstacle in the way of major ISPs ability to maximally rip everyone off under their monopoly, and maybe other companies allying with the ISPs to limit access to their competition.

So of course some fuckers are lobbying for the practice to be dropped, claiming mum memecapitalism will solve everything better when entirely unregulated.

But really, you'll be paying $100 / month extra for international connections and the ability to torrent and Amazon + eBay + Walmart may be the only actually usable or even reachable stores on your ISP no matter what due to exclusive agreements, and you can only use Facebook and eMail because you have the +$5 / month "social plan addon".

Weakening net neutrality is a really, really shitty idea for everyone but the monopolists.

>>60638595
Only if there exists a compression algorithm that can beat the theoretical Weissman threshold.

>>60636711
The shills are the ones against net neutrality.

>New FCC guy is literally former ISP employee
>He wants to remove NN
>No NN will be better for consumers and not ISP, I swear!
What sort of logic is that?

>>60632304
The only difference between democrats and republicans is that republicans are aware their politicians are lying pieces of shit who don't have their best interests at heart.

Let's get something actually going and start posting this on /b/ /a/ and /pol/ I believe those are the biggest boards on the site. I think /soc/ is too. Doesn't matter if retarded mods delete them, just repost. People will care because it directly affects them. Just write like 2 sentences explaining how (e.g. on /soc/ all the sluts posting nudes there their ISP will be hoarding all their data with their personal information - direct connection of their slut activities and their identity)

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>>60637234
Source? FCC isn't a source.

>>60637338
>>60637504
Pic related you commie fucks

>>60630983
>mfw burgers get assblasted by their OWN government
Feels so fucking good.
How does it feel to know that your OWN companies give more rigths to children in china than to you, its OWN countrymen?
How does it feel to know that your OWN government don't trust you and consider every single one of you as a potential terrorist?
Sure feels like the country of human rights and true freedom am I right?
You allowed it, you voted for it and now you deal with it.

>>60643656
You really are from reddit/pol/. Thankfully, you're an American, so there's a good chance you'll die prematurely.

>>60643685
>gets btfo by graph
>responds with "ur frum leddit haha go back XDDD"

>>60643698
I'm not the faggot you were talking to, stupid nigger.

>>60642094
Removing net neutrality doesn't remove government regulation of the internet, as net neutrality is a consumer protection regulation for the already highly regulated monopolized internet industry in the US. As the rest of the regulations will remain in place, the internet will still be highly regulated in the US, but consumers will be worse off as ISPs will still remain as government sanctioned monopolies with steep barriers to entry killing any competition.

>>60642783
ISPs are government granted monopolies, not a free market in any sense. Pai and Trump have not mentioned removal of this most important part of deregulation once.

How did net neutrality become partisan

>>60645846
It's more of a question why even the attempt to lobby to fuck over the general population like that is viable at all.

Usually the public and politics should start flinging so much shit that even bringing up destructive ideas like this isn't viable, much less strongly lobbing for them.

>>60645932
It's a strange new world we live in, huh.

>>60645932
Have you seen the graphs where they graphed how likely a policy is to be enacted based on public opinion relative to corporate opinion?
That's basically it.

Hopefully Elon Musk will save us.
https://youtu.be/bwiNaPABdyE

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>>60643656
>FCC isn't a source
>posts graph from for-profit policy organization that lists itself as a source
wew

>>60646685
>posts graph that is directly pulled from federal budget reports
All you have to do is Google "2015 Federal Budget" and you'd see his graph is correct within seconds. The other shit can't be found fucking anywhere but the FCC.

Denmark doesnt have net neutrality and have also virtually removed their version of the FCC and they have one of the best internet speeds/reliability in the world. EFF and FFTF and all those other digital privacy rights groups are talking about a problem that never actually happens. ISP's arent stupid, they arent going to slow down access to certain sites because they know people are going to switch ISPs if the customers find out. Its in their economic incentive to treat data equally from the start. Net neutrality is bullshit and it also prevents phone companies such as T-Mobile from offering free services such as unlimited access to netflix/pandora streaming. These kinds of things are known as zero-rated services and the FCC thinks its a violation of net neutrality for ISPS and Cell providers to offer up cool free to use services, efffectively eliminating competition. Go watch Reason's video on net neutrality on youtube. I was 100% net neutrality until I saw that video.

Tl;DR Its pointless and it kills competiton and innovation and isps already treat data equally because if they didnt they'd lose a ton of subscribers

nobody tell him
>>60646961

>>60645846
Because of contrarian politics. Now anything that those kooky liberals like is 100% worng

>>60647054
Does Denmark give ISPs government granted monopoly power like the US does?
>>60647054
>Tl;DR Its pointless and it kills competiton and innovation
Competition is killed by the government granted monopolies, not net neutrality.
>isps already treat data equally because if they didnt they'd lose a ton of subscribers
They throttled before NN was in place.

>>60647054
>isps already treat data equally
https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/netflix-agrees-to-pay-comcast-to-end-slowdown/
https://www.polygon.com/2017/2/9/14548880/time-warner-lawsuit-new-york-league-of-legends-netflix

>>60630983

This is a common racket. Look at sumofus.org

I know how this website works because I worked on a webExtension to use it with no non-free Javascript.

Anybody can submit 50 fake signatures every 2 minutes using a trivial bot. No sign-up, no IP duplication checking, no duplication checking cookies, nothing.

And it lets you do it while claiming to be from Antartica with a name that is just random generated Ascii.

Yet they collected ((((!!!!!!!(((((literally millions))))))!!!!!!)))) in grants

>>60647054
>they arent going to slow down access to certain sites because they know people are going to switch ISPs if the customers find out.
There are many place in the US where customers cannot switch ISPs because there is only one in their area and local laws prohibit other ISPs from entering the market. The fact that you were swayed by one youtube video really shows how ignorant you are on this subject.

>>60647054
ISPs are constantly trying to get away with circumventing NN as it is. T-Mobile alone has been successfully sued 6 times since 2015 for violating net neutrality.

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>>60647054
>because they know people are going to switch ISPs
Switch to what??? ISPs in the US are monopolies. The VAST majority of people have access to only one ISP. That is the entire problem. So yeah you're right if you only ignore 100% of the issue.

>>60647054
> Denmark doesnt have net neutrality
It has speed quality guarantees, transparency and user rights plus overarching EU legal frameworks regulating telecommunication and user privacy and so on.

There is an actual threat of the population and its government rapidly replacing that self-regulation body if they lower standards too low or fuck up. Besides the EU also might step in if it gets really bad in one or another way.
What are the odds of THAT working in the USA?

>>60647439
PS: They also do this:
https://danishbusinessauthority.dk/market-reviews-regulation-providers-significant-market-power-smp

Yea, they ultimately reserve to enforce network access, ensure competition, and artificially bring down prices whenever businesses or citizens get shafted somehow.

And there is a lot more nationally and from the EU.

Meanwhile if you drop FCC's authority, who the fuck will stop your ISPs from shafting private customers? [Inb4 muh competition, forget that shit unless you enforce a lot of conditions under which competition CAN really create/augment infrastructure.]

>>60631837
Its a way for say Comcast to charge a premium on something like Netflix. Pay 5 bucks to get Netflix at a speed you can actually use it. Or, use our streaming service, Comcast Xfinity, instead, no 5 dollar toll because it ours.

Its a way for ISPs to butt fuck you and thank them for it with cash.

>>60632960
Rats shouldn't be in charge of the exterminators. Conflict of interest.

Yes. /I/ now.

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>>60632706
We could, like, overturn Capitalism and The existing government.

>>60632903
What a crock of bullshit.
Regulations exist because of the abuses of the capitalist system. That's the only reason we didn't become the USSR was because of FDR and his social programs in the early 1900's. The state is securing bourgiosie existence, after all. It's like capitalist nanny you dip shit.

>>60632991
And what the fuck makes to think the private sector is incapable of such acts? They are doing THAT Right there with YouTube, rn. At least defacto anyways.

myopic shits, fuck.

>>60632784
>unindexed domains
>w-wan intranets
>open pirate w-meshes
>packet radio
>non-tcp protocol stacks piggybacking on existing infrastructure as line noise

Your move cuck.