/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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>>60628128
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G2Q8qk r8 or h8

>>60628175
>x370
Do you really need the extra PCIe lanes & SLI/Xfire?
Looks good to me otherwise

>>60628175
Unless you're doing SLI, there's no need for an X370 board.
>but muh overclocking.
B350 supports overclocking. This isn't Intel.

>>60628175
hey it's my build i posted yesterday. don't know why you changed that msi b350 to an x370 though. everything else is good.

Summary of last thread:
>AMD shills butthurt about Ryzen
>Intel shills butthurt about 7700k
>None of it matters because you can game 60fps 1080p ULTRA on a fucking 2 core CPU

>>60628227
Lol i'm betting he did that to get discussion going on in the thread, what a jackass

>>60628250
>spotted the butthurt Intel shill

I'm looking for a small case for a micro atx build. I don't plan on using SLI/crossfire. My budget is $40 - $80.

Any suggestions?

>>60628298
I made this very thread though

whats the best B350 mobo?

Real thread
>>60624205
>>60624205
>>60624205

>>60628111
>what price?
It's the cheapset 2.5" 2tb drive.

>>60628305
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QMp323/thermaltake-case-ca1d500s1wn00
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/X44NnQ/fractal-design-define-mini-c-with-window-microatx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-def-mini-c-bk-w
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/T3rG3C/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LgYXsY/corsair-case-cc9011069ww

>>60628358
Stop trying to force your thread on us, it's filled with shit and empty of good content / information.
Current thread is the real one and it will stay that way.

>>60628358
Intel shill please leave

>>60628339
Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming 3 has the best audio
Generally though, you want one with good VRM heatsinks.

>>60628339
Depends on what you want.
Best for cheap, Asrock b350M pro4
best VRMs, almost any MSI board.
Also look out for board features and shit you're interested in, extra sata, RGB, whatever you're into.

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>>60628366

Checked and thanks anon. That looks bretty good.

>>60628398
vrm heatsinks don't matter

I have yet to hear of a single case of someone having any problems with their vrms, it's always "My vrm temperature is 100 celisus is that bad?"

Asking again
>Toshiba MQ03ABB HDD MQ03ABB200
Anyone know if this is a decent HDD?
I could fit a 3.5" HDD in my case, but it draws more watt, and should generate much more torque, and possibly be louder. So, I rather just pay the premium and get a 2.5".

>>60628519
You do need vrm heatsinks, they heat up when you overclock, so they very well may overheat and shut down the computer.
100C is fine, but at around 120-130C it's too much, and they'll either get damaged or emergency shut down. No heatsinks are fine if you don't overclock, but if you do overclock you should get heatsinks.

>>60628313
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d3nzd6

Wanted to build a new PC, go higher res and great frames, no real compromises game performance wise. Mostly play ARMA, Battlefield, DOOM, and Overwatch. Planning on picking up newer titles as well when the summer sale drops. Only did 16 gb of ram because from my understanding theres no real improvement past that right now.

>>60628519
I'll never understand why shittier VRM designs sometimes ship with no heatsinks but fucking 12 phase behemoths have heatpipes and shit.
It really should be the other way around.

>>60628591
could save some money on CPU cooler, a $130 aio isn't gonna run much cooler than a $100 one if any. could also save some money on SSD by not going samsung. The PSU is way overkill, drop to a 600w. And such high frequency memory isn't really needed, the very very slight gains it give are not even worth $10, so drop to lower frequency ram

>>60628644
Does better cooling have more of an effect on kaby lake or less because of the spreader TIM?
I'd really like to see someone go full science mode on these things.

Can somebody recommend me a good cooler for my 2600k ? I guess mine broke.

>>60628701
>Does better cooling have more of an effect on kaby lake or less because of the spreader TIM?
No, it's specifically because of very poor job between the CPU die & heatspreader that no matter how good your cooler is, it will heat a lot.
The heat is getting stuck in there instead of going up to the cooler heatsink & getting dissipated, so dissipating the heat better will barely have any effect.

>>60628719
I have a H7 for my 7700k and it's great if you want to go air.

>>60628719
Cryorig H7 is pretty popular.

I'm looking to get a shadow rock 2, but it does cost a bit more.

>>60628719
If you're gonna spend money on a cooler you might as well get a good one like a CRYORIG H7 or such

>>60628737
>>60628739
Uh, that looks pretty good.
>>60628758
Am I getting memed on ?

>>60628766
>Am I getting memed on ?
What?

>>60628774
I don't know. Three people recommended the same thing. Seemed weird

>>60628644
What about the efficency or keeping the heat down to keep the fans off or down with the eco mode?

My thought was that with 80+ gold, it's most efficient around 50%, so I tried to put it where the load when gaming would approximately be at the 50% mark yo maximize efficency.

For the SSD, I suppose a Crucial MX300 could fit the bill instead of the 850 Evo if it gets similar performance, or would a different recommendation be better?

I went with higher frequency ram because I read an article it'd actually give a decent boost in ARMA over 2133/2400.

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>>60628766
No you're not I really own a H7 and it's a good one. Don't be paranoid and look up video reviews yourself anyway.

It's pretty easy to mount and looks very good, too. The sound it makes is not a pain to the ear either in all honesty.

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Good high quality speakers for PCs?
Was looking at pic related but I don't know if there's anything better out there for the same money.

>>60628719
If the fan stopped working you can just replace it.
tower style heatsinks usually use standard case fans though the sizes can vary.
Otherwise anything with LGA1150 or 1151 compatibility is also backwards compatible with 1155 so just get whatever you like

>>60628805
>My thought was that with 80+ gold, it's most efficient around 50%, so I tried to put it where the load when gaming would approximately be at the 50% mark yo maximize efficency.
That does make sense but it's not something that is really down often because of how price inefficient it is
And besides, if it's efficiency you're searching for, Platinum & Titanium rating exists

>>60628884
>down
done

>>60628872
Oh, I didn't know about the backwards compatibility.

>>60628820
Are they any other decent manufactures ? The shop around the corner sells Arctic Cooling,
be quiet!,Cooler Master,Corsair,MSI,Scythe,
Silverstone,too.
I seriously have no idea when it comes to coolers. I never had to change one before

>>60628855
Studio monitors and an amp. Something "fr PCs" is probably shit in comparison.

>>60628926
Cooler Master and be quiet! are very well known and respected names, as are Corsair and MSI. I've heard of Scythe and Arctic Cooling but have no opinion.
The Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo is the most popular cooler period.

>>60628884
It varies from PSU to PSU, some PSU actually peak on their performance at really high loads.

>>60628983
My old cooler was made by Scythe. It was alright. Can't really compare to other stuff but it was quite and kept the CPU cool.

>>60628805
>My thought was that with 80+ gold, it's most efficient around 50%, so I tried to put it where the load when gaming would approximately be at the 50% mark yo maximize efficency.
The efficiency doesn't really go down significantly until you get around 80% load.

>>60629007
be quiet seems to be higher end and focuses their products on making everything quiet.

Any suggestions on sub 10 inch monitors as a dedicated irc and other tiny shit monitor for a multi monitor setup?

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I don't know anything about fan curve and pic related is mine.
>0 = 0°C
>1 = 20°C
>2 = 30°C
>3 = 40°C
>4 = 50°C
>5 = 65°C
Under load/gayming it's usual for my CPU to heat up in the 60-65+s (7700k). So with that in mind, isn't the step 5 a bit too late? I've monitored myself a lot and basically, let's say on BF1, the CPU would usually be around 55-60°C and jump to the 65 or so from time to time when a lot happens - does that mean step 5 isn't constant when gayming and I should bring it closer to step 4 to have it activated at all time? Could I get better temps doing so? What do you guys recommend?

Sorry for the quality, taken with my 3DS.

>>60629023
Yeah, this is the difference between theory and practice. The theory says maximum power transfer happens at 50%, but in practice your shit doesn't really start getting fucked until 70-80%.

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>>60628926
Be Quiet is consistently good and Scythe has a couple excellent coolers. Corsair i believe exclusively deals in water cooling so dont bother with them and i'm not too sure on the other 2.
Here's a chart that compares quite a few coolers with an overclocked skylake i7

>>60628948
I've got a couple of ancient studio monitors and some massive amp, but I think one of those is fucked because the smaller monitor is much quieter and sounds which go from one to the other sound fucked.

>>60629084
The Scythe ones look pretty good to me. Are they the only ones that use this 4-pin system to keep the cooler in place ? I don't want to get my entire mobo out of the case

>>60629084
Why do they bother with noise measurement when they do 50/100% pwm?

At the very least do RPM, but they should just go with the noise that it maxes out on, during a very strong OC. If the heatsink is huge with loads of heat pipes, the fan won't need as high rpm... But if it's small with few heatpipes, it'll need much higher RPM... Yet, using their retarded system, the bigger and quiter cooler could end up "louder" than the small one, because it has a higher RPM fan installed.

>>60629084
why is their 212 evo so bad? i use mine with a heavily OC i5 and it never ever gets into even the 80s under stress tests

>>60629130
Because its' a low end cooler and is being compared against better ones

>>60629130
I think they just do bad OCs, feed it a ton of vcore, to get higher temperatures.

>>60629067
That's pretty aggressive but I guess if you don't mind the noise you could do what you described. I guess you missed the memo about 7700K running (and being able to run) pretty hot.

>>60629130
The heat spreader TIM might be a little better on yours than theirs, could be a bad binned i7 which needs more voltage to reach 4.6GHz, you might have a cooler ambient temperature than their test room or maybe you're reading temperatures in speccy like an idiot, who knows.

>>60629157
Not anon, but their temperatures are always off.

My higher OCed identical CPU, running in terrible airflow, but with the same cooler, will usually run a good 10C lower than theirs.
They just fuck up as much as they possibly can (without breaking the CPU from too high vcore) to get really high temperatures.

>>60629183
no i use HWinfo64

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Ldr9Yr

I've slapped this shit together as something to get my coworker started for his build. He wants a desktop to mostly play games. Anything here that makes someone want to call me a retard?

>>60629248
pick dual channel (2x4gb) 3000mhz+ ram, preferebly from mobo's qvl

if I have i3 4160 and 750 ti, should I buy i5 4460 or 1050 ti?

>>60629248
drop the 1600x for a 1600. use the stock cooler. upgrade the 580 to a 1070 since your gpu should always be a 3rd of your initial budget. spending $1300 on a pc to only get a mainstream borderline budget tier card like that is stupid.

>>60629248
>>60629287
Get 2x8, 8 gb isn't enough.

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>>60629130
A standard aida64 test will get those temps.
That other one is stressing only FPU.
It's an unrealistic load but higher temperatures separate the coolers more.

>>60629308
That would be a very, very cost inefficient thing to do.

ausfag here, pccase gear is selling a bundle.
ryzen 5 1600
Gigabyte AORUS AX370 Gaming 5 Motherboard
Gigabyte AORUS GeForce GTX 1080 Xtreme Edition 8GB
for $1300 dollarydoos.
worth getting?

Hey /pcbg/
I'm having troube with the RAM reqjencies lf my ryzen setup.

I'm on an AsRock AB350m Pro4 with 2x8GB DDR4 3000MHz at 2666 without problem at 1.35V
But whenever i reach for any higher frequencies, my system starts to bootloop and it drops frequencies down to 2133.

Any advice on how to do this? I have tried from the BIOS and Ryzen Master, with same results.

Have a R7 1700 at 3.6GHz 1.15V stable so far.

>>60629308
You can just put a 1050ti with that i3 and it would be fine for 60fps 1080p.

>>60629387
Have you tried updating the BIOS?

>>60628128
loking for more feedback on this build

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/8fxhLD

>programming
>blizzard games
>cuda for neural network shenanigans
>700 euro budget

>>60629387
The that board doesn't have good support for higher RAM frequencies.
I have the same board so i just left it at 2666MHz and tightened the timings and lowered the voltage.
Maybe the upcoming bios update will fix things

>>60629360
do it.

>>60629387
check for bios updates because that's what you need.

>>60629412
if you're happy with it then it's ok. can't see anything wrong with it based on your use case. i would have personally gone for a 1060 though, even a 3gb. it would have been way better for those blizzard games and also been better for CUDA workloads.

>>60629248
What >>60629317 said, 8gb is really entry gaming.

Also, NZXT S350, Fractal Design Define C, and Phanteks P400S are at least cheaper cases, and comes with a couple of fans, which is enough. You're saving like 80$ on that, + the 20$ for the 1600 non-X (keep cooler).

With those savings you're pretty close to a GTX 1070... Unless he wants to get a freesync monitor, then maybe just save the change.

>>60629464
1060 is sadly far too expensive for me.

>>60629431
alright senpai, it's 4 am, im pretty drunk, they have limited stock and I have a bad habit of impulse buying.
need some good RAM to go with it cause i only have ddr3 and it's a ddr4 mobo

>>60629339
Still no him, but even with intelburntest, I don't reach their temps on lower clocked CPU.

intelburntest generates way more heat that full load on other software could ever reach.

>>60629168
I'll try and see how it goes.

And I didn't miss any memo. I built this before Ryzen even came out anyway. I'm fine with 70°C max temps to be honest, and I'm not even done tweaking the vcore (still lowering it by 0.05 every few days or so).

>>60629448
>>60629424
I'm on the latest BIOS, yet can't get past 2667 like >>60629387 said.

But the MB is supposed to support up to 3200MHz(OC). According to the web page and the manual.

Maybe just wait for more updates?

>>60629387
AMD shouold be releasing new microcode soon, to make ram compatability much better. There'll probably be a bios update a bit after that, that lets you run your RAM at advertised speeds.

>>60629483
have you tried the used market? might be able to pick up a 980 or something similar for around the price of the 1050 ti

>>60629525
>But the MB is supposed to support up to 3200MHz(OC)
Look at the QV list closely and compare it to a higher end board from the same manufacturer.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350%20Pro4/#Memory
http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming%20K4/index.asp#Memory
See that it officially supports less 3200MHz configurations than even another b350 board.
There's nothing you can do, RAM overclocking controls in ryzen are severely limited, AGESA 1.0.0.6 should fix that though, all you can do is wait.

Which CPU cooler would be enough to have a 1600X comfortably at the 4 GHz boost frequency?

>>60629559
one look at ebay I can only see that used 980s go for around 180 +. So above my budget.

>>60628128

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2v2q8K

I'm thinking of building a PC with these parts. I might get a different case though. I'm primarily buying parts from Amazon US.

I'm going to use it on my 50" LED TV (1080p).

What do you guys think?

>>60629514
What I meant was that you're, in my humble opinion, stressing about the temperature too much. Like someone in /sqt/ already mentioned, you could just ease up on the curve a bit and enjoy the (relative) silence. Or keep the curve as it is and push the clocks further.

I think my ideal case might be something like a better ventilated FT03-Mini, anything on the horizon? It would be sort of amazing if Silverstone could offer a mesh/ventilated side panel for the GPU side.

>>60629670
What's the usage specifically?

>>60629649
how about a 970?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/GIGABYTE-NVIDIA-GTX-970-GV-N970G1-GAMING-4GD-REV-1-1-/322533932711?hash=item4b18853ea7:g:CTcAAOSwfpVZKwaW

this is pretty much the same price as your 1050 ti but is way faster and also much cheaper than the cheapest 480 or 1060. when overclocked the 970 is basically on par with those gpu.

>>60629670
Tell us the usage case. because if you're using it for anything other than gaming, we're going to suggest AMD Ryzen

>>60629638
You do know how boost frequencies work right?
the CPU only ramps up to those frequencies when there are only a couple threads being stressed.
I know ryzen 7 operates at boost frequencies with up to 4 threaded workloads but i dont know about ryzen 5, it may be 4 as well, either way any cooler that can handle your CPU at 100% load should be enough for a couple boosted cores.

Got 2 questions:
1. Is it safe to pair an Nvidia card with Ryzen? I'm mainly considering RX580 because I'm already getting R5 1600 and I'm hearing there's some problems with Nvidia's drivers or something. I'd rather buy a 1060 because there's no problem with it being out of stock and I'd like to do CUDA some day.
2. Is it worth getting RAM that's faster than 2666MHz when paired up with a GTX1060/RX580? According to this video it's not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4k_ErEg-FU

>>60629529
It's already out

Now it's up to motherboard manufacturers to update their bios. A few already have.

>>60629751
>1. Is it safe to pair an Nvidia card with Ryzen? I'm mainly considering RX580 because I'm already getting R5 1600 and I'm hearing there's some problems with Nvidia's drivers or something. I'd rather buy a 1060 because there's no problem with it being out of stock and I'd like to do CUDA some day.

yes. only high fps autists make a big deal. people like adoredtv complain about getting 150 fps instead of 180 fps. it's all stupidity. for 1080p60 it's 100% fine. also if you want to utilize CUDA then that's your only bet

>2. Is it worth getting RAM that's faster than 2666MHz when paired up with a GTX1060/RX580? According to this video it's not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4k_ErEg-FU [Embed]

again, for high fps it will make a difference. at 1080p60 you probably won't see a difference.

>>60629698
Yeah until a game needs more than 3.5gb's of memory and then it absolutely shits the bed

e.g. minecraft with some mods, some of the java games I play, skyrim or fallout with mods, any new AAA titles pushing graphics...

You don't want a 970.

>>60629698
there are some msi 970s on, I will monitor this and make my decision then. A retailer in germany has the gigabyte 1050 ti currently on sale for 137 euros and the offer is only available until tomorrow. Not sure if I should cop or not yet. But I'll definitely get the ram for 44 euros.

How bad are the tradeoffs for going MiniITX over MicroATX?

>>60629808
this isn't a fanboy general. keep the misinformation out of here. the 970 is fine.

>>60629809
that 970 is also a new listing and seems to be the cheapest 970 on there by far. i'd make a decision quick. it will be better at cuda workloads than that 1050 ti too.

>>60629751
>1. Is it safe to pair an Nvidia card with Ryzen?
Well nothing's going to get fucked up

But Nvidia drivers don't play well with AMD for some strange coincidental reason which is totally probably an accident and will get fixed soon nvidia promises, so you get better performance with an all-AMD setup than mixing the two brands.

>>60629843
The 970 is not fine and you're an idiot for recommending it to anyone

Nvidia literally got sued over that card and had to pay out to all the owners.

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>>60629849
>so you get better performance with an all-AMD setup than mixing the two brands.

No

Any place I could save some money? Trying to do 1080p 60fps+ in ow and some aaa games. Also is this considered "upgradeable"?

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($218.58 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($126.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: *Sandisk - SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($83.36 @ Amazon)
Storage: *Seagate - Barracuda ES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 580 8GB GAMING X Video Card ($254.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Deepcool - TESSERACT BF ATX Mid Tower Case ($35.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: *Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $891.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-27 16:19 EDT-0400

I know that the 1600 is generally recommended instead, but is it worth getting a 7600k if it's only $200?

Pretty much just for gaymen

>>60629862
please, tell me if they got sued because everyone was saying their gpu was failing because of the 3.5 or because of a marketing "error". your answer will dictate to us all how much of a fanboy you really are.

>>60629881
Not getting expensive 3000MHz memory that won't benefit you & dropping to an RX 570 which is much cheaper but performs still great at AAAs

>>60629881
Check out this post, he has your MB:>>60629387

Might wanna cut back on that RAM.

>>60629884
Not really, because you're still gonna need to buy a cooler which will end up more expensive than an R5 1600 by a few dollars even though you'll be getting an inferior product.

>>60629670
You dont need an i7 or gtx 1070 for 60fps 1080p.

>>60629732
>if you're using it for anything other than gaming, we're going to suggest AMD Ryzen
Even then, the 7700k is certainly not made for regular gamers because of how cost inefficient it is and because it's strengths do not benefit the average gamer even remotely

>>60629866
Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tfTZjugDeg

>>60629907 will I not be able to take advantage of 3000mhz? What would you recommend?

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>>60628855
I got you covered bro. If you don't want spend this much (this is cheap by audio standards) get some Klipsch promedia 2.1.

But this will have you covered for headphone amp as well.

>>60629963
Cheaper 2600MHz memory.
3000mhz gives more performance but you'll already be over your screen refresh's rate by good margin so it wouldn't give any difference to you.

>>60629901
They got sued for misleading people with marketing, much the way you're doing damage control here right now,

AND because the 970 tells the game it has 4GB of memory, but the last 0.5GB is slow worthless shit, games don't properly compensate. The moment you hit that 3.5GB limit, which like I already pointed out: >>60629808 can happen fairly easily, your performance tanks like a rock. The game thinks it has 4GB to work with, but it doesn't.

You're such a disingenuous marketing fuckwit.

Nobody should be buying a 970, and anyone who does is getting scammed.

By all means, recommend a fucking 1050 or 1060 or whatever the fuck, but don't recommend actual sabotaged hardware.

>>60629960
you do realize that this is a specific issue for RotTR, right? you just proved how retarded you really are by posting that retard who even amd owners such as myself don't acknowledge.

here, have some real in depth info:

http://www.techspot.com/article/1374-amd-ryzen-with-amd-gpu/page6.html

>So, are Nvidia GPUs limiting Ryzen's gaming performance? Well, we didn't find any evidence of that. In some DX12 scenarios, the 1800X performs better than the 7700K when paired with a RX 480 over the GTX 1060, but that doesn't prove Nvidia is handicapping Ryzen.

>>60630022
It's an nvidia driver issue, not a problem with the game. It's cropped up in a few others.

>>60630021
>your performance tanks like a rock.

oh really now. can i request a measly 10 videos of gameplay which confirm this? i already have 20+ vids i can provide which prove that this is not the case but i'll allow you to go first since you seem to have much evidence of your claims.

>>60630022
>specific issue for RotTR
This issue has been known for years, it's specific to Nvidia but not Ryzen. Happens at times with 6+ cores CPUs.
And it also appears in Civilization 6 & Rocket League

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250d

What's the most performant AIO 120mm CPU cooler?
My 7700k is catching fire.

>>60630085
delid it?
What's your current cooler, that Noctua UHS-15 or whatever the hell it was?

>>60630085
A noctua or the cooler Master master cooler AIO

YO

Two of my case fans of my r4 fractal case won't work! I just upgraded to an i7 and gigabyte h270 mobo.

The fan will spin for one second when I turn it on then turn off. Is my 650w PSU not enough? (also using an r9 290). The front intake fan doesnt work either and its connected to the molex i beleive

>>60630075
i've never encountered this before and i watch plenty of reviews including jokerproductions who has been testing games for some time with his 6800k system and no games show signs of slowdown until tomb raider.

>>60630092
Noctua does liquid cooling now?

hey I just built a ryzen 5 1600, gtx 1060 6gb with 16gb RAM running at 2133 mhz.


FPS is dropping to 40-50 in fights in planetside 2, is this expected? Or is something awry?

>>60630075
Can add The Division to the last: https://youtu.be/QBf2lvfKkxA

Is this general literally camped by nvidia shills 24/7 or something?

>>60630127
>he fell for the Ryzen meme

I'm sorry for your loss.

>>60630143
well, i'm not a gamer really. I figured i'd throw in the gpu to play games on the side. I mainly use my computer as an audio workstation

>>60629684
Gaming and normal PC usage.
>>60629732
I agree with you now. I looked into it and the R5 1600 seems good and comes with a cooler.
>>60629925
>>60629947

I revised my build list to https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NYhsr7.

Now $1079. Before $1282. Thanks.

>>60630171
Seriously drop the gpu down to a 1060 6GB or something.
A 1070 is for 1440p 80FPS+, it's super overkill.

>>60630142
nope. here, have some more verified benches:

http://www.techspot.com/article/1374-amd-ryzen-with-amd-gpu/page2.html

>>60630127
PS2 has really shitty performance all the time.

Especially if you max everything out. You'll probably see a massive fps increase (like double what you get now) just by disabling shadows. Also set textures to ultra. Anything less than ultra costs CPU time because the game compresses the textures on the fly. The only reason to use lower than ultra is if you don't have the VRAM to handle higher res textures (you have 6GB so you're more than fine here).

I get 40-50 in a fight with a gtx 660, but I've got no shadows, like 1600x900 resolution, etc.

>>60630125
No, he is asking if he should do Noctua on air, or an AIO.

>>60630142
Yes. Intel to a lesser extent, but nvidia shills fucking constantly.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ytRfcc

Any thoughts or tips on my first build?

>>60630171
Looks good to me, the GTX 1070 is overkill but it's still not that bad of a choice

>>60630249
>buying amd in the UK

unless you like paying stupidly inflated prices, get nvidia. you can get a 1060 6gb for about £200 and a 1060 3gb for £150.

http://www.ebuyer.com/769693-msi-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-gddr5-oc-v1-graphics-card-gtx-1060-6gt-ocv1

>>60630232
I already have a Noctua NH U9S.
I reached 87°C today, I need something better.

>>60630213

The cheapest 6GB 1060 is for $240. The cheapest 1070 is $335.

I don't mind paying the $95 for the performance and 2GB difference.

>>60630220
thanks man, yeah it was fine on medium settings. But I guess I was a dumbass and figured "hurrr i have a nice computer i should set it to ultra"

Yeah i'll set it back to medium

>>60630357
You can get almost anything 120mm really and if it's too loud or not good enough slap on two ml120 for $30 and you got some real performance there

>>60630377
Honestly for like 90% of the games out there you'd be fine, but planetside 2 is one of those outliers that is complete ass no matter what your computer is.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/TvCBtJ

Okay, another attempt.

>>60629287
I'm not going to exceed 2400, since my coworker won't be interested in overclocking. Not initially, at any rate.

>>60629311
Makes sense.

>>60629474
>What >>60629317 said, 8gb is really entry gaming.
In my experience 8GB is borderline for decent games, though if he wants to cut costs on this it'll be his choice.

>Define C
Cool.

>With those savings you're pretty close to a GTX 1070
Yeah, it ends up being about a hundred more than the last iteration. He said about $1300, but I think he might be okay with it.


Thanks for everyone's feedback.

>>60630455
That works

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How'd I do?

Purpose is mainly programming/development. Will be booted into Linux most of the time and hooked up to a 4K monitor.

For games, I'll mainly need to run OW at 60+ fps at 1080 (render-scaled up to 4K). I might bump the GPU up to a 1070.

I don't usually go full autismo on the color scheme but I thought it might be fun to try. I don't think I'm paying too much of a premium for that.

Thanks for lookin'

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xh8hLD
Does anything stand out as a particularly bad? It's probably not optimal but I don't really care too much about squeezing out every shekel, I just wanted a good 1080p build with a balance between low-mid budget, decent looks and silent/cool gayming.

Couldn't jump into the Ryzen bandwagon this time, my only real constraint was the mitx case.

>>60630455
looks pretty good. i'd personally save $50-$80 by going for a cheaper bronze certified psu for around $60 and maybe a cheaper brand ssd if it's only used as a boot drive. you can contribute the money towards faster ram, which ryzen thrives on, especially at the high framerates you'd be pushing with that 1070. other than that it's good.

>>60628233
there is absolutely nothing wrong with ryzen though

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MPHVPs

Budget is like 700 dollars maybe 800 if the performance upgrade is retarded. Goal is improved performance within the budget. Just started building pls no bully. Will be used for gaming mostly.

>>60630513
>my only real constraint was the mitx case.
>about to suggest Ryzen
>Notice mITX
seems fine aside from that.
I would wait a bit though Computex is in a few days so there MAY be some actually decent mITX Ryzen board releases.

>>60630503
If you're doing gaming or even gaming with a little video rendering on the side but nothing crazy there's not really any point in getting ryzen 7. you can easily bump up to a 1070 with the money you'd save from switching to a 1600

>>60630503
That's a very expensive case, why did you pick it?
Looks good

>>60629670
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/syBQvV
here a better build

>>60630503
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Ldr9Yr

The parts look fine but you should probably pay $85 more and get a Zotac 1070 mini.

You could save ~$40 dollars by getting a 250GB SSD from WD/Sandisk etc.

>>60630545
the 7500 comes with a cooler and since it's not overclockable you can get away with just running the stock cooler instead of the 212 evo. use that $20 and the saving you can make from getting a bronze power supply to upgrade to something like a gtx 1060 or rx 580.

also i'd swap the 2x4gb for a 1x8gb so you can upgrade to 16gb in the future as that mobo only has 2 ram slots.

>>60630503
NVMe is still basically useless.
You might as well spend a little more and get a 500GB sata

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>>60630321

So, need knowledge.

Does a 2.5" drive cause less vibrations, and less torque, and less sound, than a 3.5" hdd?
I do believe I'll be able to fit a 3.5" hdd, but I really don't want it to create any noise, or extra vibrations, so I'm leaning towards 2.5" hdd. Also, a 2.5" drive is much lighter, so it decreases the chance of it slipping off it's tape adhesive and hit other components, when moving the case.

At the moment there's a sale on, so I need to make my decision quickly.

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Any small cases out there with swappable HDD where I don't have to open up the computer?

>>60630614
Are bronze PSUs really worth saving though? It was my understanding that they were significantly less reliable than the modular PSUs

>>60630517
>i'd personally save $50-$80 by going for a cheaper bronze certified psu for around $60 and maybe a cheaper brand ssd if it's only used as a boot drive.
I was thinking about suggesting to my coworker that he go cheaper on these if he wants to save a bit.

>you can contribute the money towards faster ram, which ryzen thrives on
Specs for the mobo say that anything above 2400 requires overclocking. I don't really think my coworker wants to bother with that.

>>60630557
I don't really have the patience to wait for decent mITX AM4 mobos, that might have to wait for the next build.

thanks mate.

>>60630619
i expected this. it's literally impossible to recommend nvidia without being called a shill here. why would i recommend amd when they're much more expensive? the cheapest 580 8gb is £229 compared to the £199 of the 1060 6gb i linked. the small price increase of £15 or whatever it was for the 1060 6gb also provides a much bigger boost to stock performance and overclocked performance compared to the 470. if the 470 was £130 then it would be a good deal, but it simply isn't at that price it is now. kindly fuck off.

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>been using a Lenovo X220 exclusively since 2011
>screen has bright spots because it's the first run of X220 IPS panels
>there are dead pixels right in the middle of the screen
>battery doesn't last longer than an hour at full charge
>plastic case has chips taken out of it from college backpack life
>finally graduated college debt free
>finally full-time salary job
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gVXXqk

I might replace the case with a Silverstone FT05 though.

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>>60630545
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7yr9Yr
$37 more and you get a build that massively outperform the one you sent, and both the CPU & motherboard allow for overclock so you can get even more performance in the future when needed
Didn't put a 570 because it's constantly out of stock, but they are priced exactly the same as 470 so if you find one in stock at a very close sprice don't hesitate to get it instead

For processing RAWs and stitching panoramas now i'm using
>Athlon II x3 455 (4th core still locked)
>Sapphire 5670
>8gb 1333 RAM
Will the RX570 4GB do the next level? Budget is about 200$, limited by case too, under170-180mm long graphics card is preferred.

>>60630685
get a ryzen 1600 and rx 570

>>60630646
>It was my understanding that they were significantly less reliable than the modular PSUs
You... do realize that the 80+ certification and modularity have nothing to do with each other, right?

And no, a good quality bronze PSU is not (significantly) less reliable than a good quality gold PSU. The certification doesn't take reliability into account either, only the efficiency.

>>60630702
His budget is about 200%

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>>60630646
the certification has nothing to do with the modularity of the power supply.

>>60630581
I run Docker VMs and some pretty heavy IDEs (JetBrains Pycharm), I thought I might benefit from the performance bump. Also I have an i7-4770 in my current machine and I like having that caliber of performance.

>>60630582
I like the way it's laid out and proportioned. I'd get the mini-ITX version in a heartbeat if I could but the only two AM4 mITX motherboards are impossible to get ahold of

>>60630607
I will probably do that (re. the 1070), thanks.

>>60630615
Will it be faster than two SSDs in RAID-0? (The "fake" RAID that comes on Intel motherboards.) That's what I have now.

I have a NAS with tons of storage and a bunch of spare SSDs so the onboard storage for this machine just needs to hold my code, programs and a couple of games.

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Thanks for the help everyone.

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Really stupid question here - the only two computers I've built have been from the ground up, with no old parts going into the old system.
I recently got a GTX 1080 to replace my 280, but I'm not quite ready to make a full build again. I know people replace parts in older builds all the time, but is there any possibility of damaging the card as a result? Poor airflow or something, PSU potentially dies, I don't know. I want to pull out the old one and install it, I'm just oddly hesitant.

Sorry in advance, I'm not very smart.

>>60630727
$200*

>>60630735
>I run Docker VMs and some pretty heavy IDEs
Ryzen fucked up on VMs though, performance is shit despite having all the extra cores.

>>60630684
Thank you for your help. I've never owned an amd machine and I have one friend who has and he said that there were some issues with it and certain games. In your experience, is it much different than an intel based machine?

>>60630727
then save, that cpu will bottleneck any modern gpu

>>60630727
200$ for single item in this year. The most demanding game i played recently was Rocket League 4x4

>>60630680
If you're going all out you might as well get more than 8GB of RAM

>>60629672
Oh you're definitely right, I am stressing about it too much. Been checking temps every day since the day I've built this. I suppose I'm just trying to find the sweet vcore/temps spot so I can leave it as is for the next couple years.

I don't think I'm interested in overclocking, 4400mhz is already doing more than everything I do on a daily basis.

>>60630756
your "friend" sounds like a retarded shill

>>60630725
Oh ok. I just started learning about a lot of this stuff so thanks for your help.

>>60630684
or he can just get a 1400 and get a faster gpu instead like a gtx 1060 5gb or rx 580 8gb.

>>60630756
AMD GPUs consume significatly more power than nvidia, that's pretty much their biggest issue.

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Assuming I just want to play video games and watch twitch streams, is there any reason to pick up a 1700 or 1700x over a 7700k? I'm a little nervous over dealing with RAM timings or messing with a new architecture, but at the same time I don't want to buy into a dead socket.

Is there any meaningful gaming difference between the two anyway?

>>60630763
The website doesn't have any decent 2 channel 16GB packages (just like how it doesn't have the FT05), so yeah I probably should. I wonder if 4000MHz is pushing it too much though, reading on google it seems like even sticks that are supposed to clock 4000MHz can be unstable at it. Tech might not be mature enough.

One of the reasons I'm not looking at Ryzen too, it's too young, everything else in the market hasn't caught up. Mobo choice is limited, and every single third party cooler needs a special adapter to fit the new socket.

>>60630677
Good to go now?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FZ3fcc

>>60630772
Could be

>>60630741
Any system that could support a 280 can support a 1080.
A 280 has significantly higher power consumption than a 1080 so it will be producing less heat and stressing the PSU less.

>>60630800
Alright thanks

Ok more help then.
Seagate Barracuda ST2000LM015 or Toshiba MQ03ABB200 ?

No outdated memes please.

>>60630752
Fugg.. really? I'll look into that more, thanks for the heads up.

Do you have a source? All the Google results for "ryzen vm performance" seem to say it's a great workstation chip.

>>60630756
>In your experience, is it much different than an intel based machine?
No, it's not different at all. Might have been true in the past as their old CPUs were very shit compared to the competition, but that's not true anymore. They perform well, do not heat much, are all unlocked (can OC freely), and offer great performance for their price.

>>60630794
A 1400 is pretty shit because of half the cache, and considering he was going for 1050ti performance at first, RX 470 peformance will without a doubt more than satisfy him.
I'd rather give him a more powerful CPU that will satisfy all his needs for the years to come than get a 1400 in there.

>>60630805
The 1700(x) is a waste of money if the most you do is game. Either get a 1600(x) and enjoy practically identical performance in games(since almost no games benefit from more than 6 physical cores in practice), or get the 7700k.

>>60630832
So there's no chance of harming the card if an older part fails? I'm just used to everything being new when I build.
Thanks for the help, that power consumption bit makes sense

>>60630841
seagate

>>60630637
Perhaps you should look into SSDs.

>>60630813
looks good. that micro ATX mobo only supports 2 ram slots so i'd swap that 2x4gb for a single 1x8gb at the same price just so you have the option of upgrading to 16gb in the future.

>>60630851
Thanks appreciate your advice

>>60630862
>get the 7700k.
i don't think he wants to burn his house down

>>60630890
Not everybody overclocks their CPU, especially when the fucker runs at 4.2GHz out of the box. This isn't the early 00's anymore, overclocking isn't really necessary nor does it provide the kinds of insane return it used to thanks to everything stagnating like it has.

Why do people push the meme that you need a workstation grade CPU to stream and game at the same time? Just use NVENC to broadcast with.

>>60630637
You're supposed to screw them into drive bays, not tape them in

>>60630680
>No NVME SSD
What a pleb.

>>60630545
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Rd2q8K

you can easily get this down to $800 if you pick up one or two of the components on amazon warehouse. if you're still willing to go to $800 this build is a colossal upgrade to the $700 one with the 470. it's all down to your budget though.

>>60630864
There's not no chance but there's barely any chance of it.

>>60630878
but it says 4 slots on the page

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/XZCrxr/msi-b350m-mortar-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b350m-mortar

>>60630958
oh yeah, my bad. i looked at the small thumbnail and thought i only saw 2 slots. it's good to go then.

>>60630646
read psu reviews

they're the ugly duckling nobody pays attention to in system builds so there's virtually zero shilling about them

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>>60630945
pcpartpicker has ONE of those and it's only 250GB by a literally who manufacturer. Thanks for the tip though I'll mark it down next to the FT05 and the 16GB DDR4-4000.

>>60630978
Thanks, just making sure I wasn't doing anything stupid

Is 7600K still a good purchase?

>>60630867
Not going to use SSDs for storage.

>>60630942
That is only if you have mounts for it... This case does have one, but it won't fit a 3.5" drive, so I'd have to tape it onto the PSU (probably with 3m dual lock).

>>60630866
Any particular reason?
At the moment, the Toshiba one is around 10% cheaper.

Is the "seagate dies within 2 years" an old meme?

>>60631015
Scratch that, never mind I was searching for "NVME" and found fuckall, you meant M.2-2280 right?

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#t=0&i=85,83&sort=-rating&page=1

>>60631035
No, it's only fine if you already had one.

>>60631059
Why? Because 1600?

>>60631075
Yes.

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>>60630956
thanks anon

>>60630680
Arctic Silver 5 is outdated and if the heatsink comes with paste it's probably better

>>60631035
if your priority is high fps then yeah it's good. in general, probably not unless you live somewhere where intel is cheaper.

I have never built a pc but in a month im doing my first build, anything to keep in mind/tips?

>>60631075
Yeah, performs about the same in games as the 1600 but has much less performance at almost everything else even though it costs the same.
If you want better game performance get an i7

>>60631117
always ground yourself
don't build on a carpet
find a tutorial video if you're not confident

>>60631117
There is about a 10% chance it will be dead on assembly in such a way that you will have no idea what part exactly is doing the dead.
Despair.

>>60631087
>>60631119
Thanks.

>>60631117
Plug everything in, double check that you have CPU 4/8 pin in, 24pin to mobo, and 6/8pin to GPU.
Make sure you plug the screen to your GPU, not the mobo.

Usually it's slot number two, from the left, that is slot A1.

After you've booted your computer, and want to do anything with the parts in the case, or dusting it. Plug out the PSU, leave the switch on, and power on your computer. That's to empty the capacitors so that your computer won't short when you move around components.

>>60631119
Costs more even because of cooler.

>>60630805
>I'm a little nervous over dealing with RAM timings or messing with a new architecture
Why? You shouldn't be. There are gains to running faster RAM on Ryzen, but you won't take huge hits running slower. AGESA update should be coming soon too, and should improve compatibility.

If you can afford it, why not get a 1700? It might be overkill, but no one ever said "I wish I had bought a slower CPU". If budget is a concern, 1600x is fine for your needs too.

>>60631193
Most people dont seem to give a fuck and get a 3rd party cooler with one anyway.

>>60631186
>After you've booted your computer, and want to do anything with the parts in the case, or dusting it. Plug out the PSU, leave the switch on, and power on your computer. That's to empty the capacitors so that your computer won't short when you move around components.

i've never had to do this ever and i move around components a lot

>>60631211
What, with the R5 1600? Nah it's pretty rare to see builds with coolers, at least in here

>>60631211
he meant 7600k costs more since it doesn't include a stock one.
amd actually gives non-shit coolers which are usable. not to mention b350 are cheaper than z270.
no reason to go with i5.

>>60631186
Thanks anon, not really familiar with what all this means yet, but i'll try to keep that in mind when assembling the pc.

>>60630805
Between an i7 and ryzen? yes.
Ryzen has inexplicable drops below 60 in a few games that the i7s do not and i7s have higher average FPS in every single title.
If you want high FPS gaming the i7 is the best option, ryzen only makes i5 obsolete for gaming.
Of course ryzen is fine for 80-110FPS depending on the game, it's just in those same games you'll see an i7 lead by 20-40%

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/pX2q8K

How's this look?

Literally the only thing I'm waiting on right now before pulling the trigger is vega.

I'm also considering a freesync monitor, but it'd have to be pretty cheap to fit under $2000 alongside a vega gpu

>>60631201
Budget isn't really a concern, I'm finally in a spot financially where I can get, if not quite my "dream" PC, pretty close to it. I'm just not the most tech savvy person, and while I've put together two computers before, it was pretty stressful both times and I looked up how to do a lot of it.

I guess I just heard a lot of stories about RAM screwing up or the timings not running even close to their advertised speeds and various other things. I'm just never sure what to actually pick up, I'm not even sure if there's a consensus of 1700 vs 1700x.

I am currently using intel stock cooler on my 4790k, what cooling should i do? I plan on overclocking in the near future. Should i go with water or air cooling

>>60631297
change the PSU for a semi-modular or fully modular model around 500 to 550 watts

>>60631297
Why are you spending 100 dollars on a heatsink and getting a shit ass video card like that?

>>60631293
>you'll see an i7 lead by 20-40%
top fucking kek no you won't

the average difference is under 10%

20-40% is like going from sandy bridge to broadwell-e, who the fuck are you trying to kid here?

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>>60631293
>20-40%
I feel like I hear so many different numbers I don't know what's accurate anymore
The only one that I'm aware of that had a significant disparity was Rocket League. Are there multiple games that struggle that significantly? I haven't heard of it

>>60631349
>"Literally the only thing I'm waiting on right now before pulling the trigger is vega."

>>60631099
I had no idea that arctic silver pastes weren't metal. All this time I thought they had fucking silver in them because of the name but I guess not.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ztfKQV

>>60631369
You're going to be waiting a while for Vega, it's not coming out next month.

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I want to update my PC for the last games, what should I buy? With 500 €

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>>60631411
>36C GTX 960
My 290 would weep, but all of its tears evaporate the second they come into existence

>>60631314
Always air cooling

water cooling = air cooling performance for 1.5 more money and the chance for showers inside your computer

>>60631310
If budget isn't a concern, get the 1700x.

Do you want to overclock? Get the 1700 and overclock it for 1700x speeds.

Don't want to overclock? get the 1700x and be done with it. The 1700x has the auto overclock feature which is dependent on temps.

If budget is not a concern at all, and you really want to go full bore, get the 1800x.

For RAM, just get something 3200mhz, wait for the AGESA update and run it at advertised speeds. I have an 1800x, and Corsair 3200mhz memory, but can currently only run it at 2933mhz, that doesn't mean my system is slow, I just have to wait a bit to run the memory at it's full potential.

>>60631383
Anon you dumb fuck you don't need to buy thermal paste especially liquid metal, that shit is unreliable and has been known to eat through lids/heatsinks.

The heatsink you're paying 90 fucking dollars for comes with top of the line paste.

>>60631396
Computex is next week. Vega's launch is either the end of June or the beginning of July if we're being conservative. Optimistically it's a week or two away, and absolute worst case scenario is end of July.

In all cases we find out at computex.

>>60631434
My R9 280 is usually at 31°C in idle

>>60631411
A new GPU would suffice, something like an RX 470/570, GTX 1060 6GB or RX 480/580 8GB

>>60631358
Hitman, fallout4, ARMA3 and far cry primal all have varying levels off lesser results at framerate averages, dishonoured 2 and battlefield 1 both do considerably better at minimum framerates among a couple already mentioned.
There are only a handful of games where the difference gets larger than 10% but its definitely a thing.
Even post patch ashes of the singularity which scales very well with ryzen up to the 8 core variants will give better performance to the i7s

>>60631452
Liquid metal isn't "unreliable"

It's a chemical reaction because the metal is gallium and gallium reacts with aluminum, which is a common heatsink material.
Any quality heatsinks will be using copper instead though, and so long as you don't spread gallium all over your components you're not going to have any problems.
Not to mention he's talking about regular thermal paste that isn't liquid metal but just a compound with silver in it.

>>60631525
Did you look at his partpicker you nigger?

>>60631452
>that shit is unreliable and has been known to eat through lids/heatsinks.

Well the stuff DOES come with a very clear warning not to use them with aluminum. I'm basing it off of this guy's experience too, since the 7700k is supposed to run hot out of the box too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkT2SYl5xpY

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/FJB6d6

Moving from primary Mac use to duel boot Mac (for work) and Windows (for gaming). Parts list compatible with Tony Mac Builders Guide April 2017:

https://www.tonymacx86.com/buyersguide/april/2017

Budget can be just shy of £800. Any tips on how to boost performance or alternative parts from Tony Mac's May Builders Guide would be much appreciated, but feel free to grill me as this is my first build.

>>60631563
Whoever it is that added liquid metal to their partpicker never said they intended to delid at any point, if he's delidding obviously liquid metal is the only choice for that application however I don't think anybody that puts silver 5 on their partpicker should be delidding anything.

>>60631567
prepare to get zen'd

When can I buy an RX570? I don't mean from a flipper or one that's had its asshole pre-reamed by miners.

>>60631525
>>60631563
Wait, so what are CPU heatspreaders made of, steel? People use Gallium for heatsink compounds?

>>60631610
You can't argue that it's not an ideal solution for the 7700k though, considering the housefires it's been starting. 20-30C reduction in heat is crazy good.

>>60631679
Anything that conducts heats well, like aluminium or copper

>>60631679
>>60631697

CPU heatsinks are typically nickel plated copper.

>>60631631
Doubt anyone will considering all the research that needs to be done regarding drivers
OSX is made for Intlel CPUs after all

>>60631711
>heatsinks
Sorry I meant lids. CPU lids.

>>60631631
I was going to suggest Ryzen to him, but given that Ryzen hackintosh computers are a PITA at the moment, I'm gonna let the Intel chip thing slide.

>>60631567
The only modification I would make is dumping the 1050 for a 3GB 1060 after looking through the compatibility list

>>60631729
They're called heat spreaders and they are also nickel plated copper

Does anyone know why my motherboard LEDs don't seem to work? Computer boots fine but all the LEDs are off. Oddly enough the case power button LED is working.

I mean this is a problem I can live with but I'm just worried I did something stupid in the assembly.

>>60628591
Get a cheaper motherboard. Unless your going for those L337 overclocks. You can get an msi z270 board for around $130-150.
Get a 650w power supply, you wont need more than that. The EVGA G2 is a good option for under $100
Do you REALLY need 1tb of SSD? why not go 500gb samsung for $140-160 and a 1tb HDD for around $40?
1080ti, well, thats always up to what you are comfortable with. If you want 4k, high frames, go for it, if you want 1440p high frames, pick up a 1080, if you want 60-75 1440p, and 144+ 1080p grab a 1070. Just dont go crazy with a graphics card just becuase it seems cool, oe you want "future proof"

My old gpu is cooked and I need a new one with freesync. Coin miners have bought all amd cards and now i'm left to choose nvidia or an awfully expensive rx 580 strix for 320€, what do?

>>60631846
Now is the most sure time to buy "future proof" that we've ever had. Both video game tech and hardware tech advancement is slowing down fast and Moore's Law is dead and buried. an i5 Sandybridge was good for over 5 years, I'd wager an i7 Kabylake and a 1080Ti will run you 7-10 years easy.

Ryzen 1600 currently at 220 bucks here, is that a good price?

>>60631742

Thanks for the advice. The 3GB 1060 looks like a sure thing, and I am leaning towards the G1 Gaming. Thanks again.

>>60631885
Wait™

>>60631885
Vega releases soon
>>60631903
That's MSRP and given how new it is, I don't expect discounts any time soon. The cheapest youi'll find for it is maybe $217 . Just go for whichever one has free shipping.

>>60631897
My i7 920 lasted til now, so I wager that's true, especially with how stagnant the consoles are.

>>60631916
Just a footnote: if you plan to play Resident Evil 7, you want the 1060 6GB because the game is unplayable with the 3GB version.

>>60631927
Yeah it's free shipping. Also it's in €.

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Is the asus prime B350M-K a decent board? The B350 Plus is a bit too expensive for my tastes desu

>>60631897
>n i5 Sandybridge was good for over 5 years, I'd wager an i7 Kabylake and a 1080Ti will run you 7-10 years easy.
This is an hilariously stupid thing to say, because you're forgetting that there was a total lack of competion during that time and no new architecture were released. Zen is there, Zen+ will be there soon & Zen++ isn't that far away.
Intel didn't slow down on the progress because of technological difficulties, they did because it made them more money.
No, a 7700k will not last 10 years, nor even 5 years. This is 4 cores 8 threads shit we're talking about. 4 cores 4 threads was great 5 years ago, and is fine today (assuming 8 threads), but it won't in the future.

>>60631968
Do it then. You're not going to find much better unless you can find a bundle including a decent motherboard.

>>60631970
>>60631970
Also if some1 cud recommend something in similar price range that wud b great

>>60631970
No. grab an Asrock B350M Pro 4 then.

How does this look like?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FdgDVY

>>60631982
>Zen is there, Zen+ will be there soon & Zen++ isn't that far away

Lol, I remember when it was "Bulldozer is here Intel is finished" too.

>>60631930
>especially with how stagnant the consoles are.
As opposed to what? a constantly improving console?

>>60631982
Neither will outdated processors like the 1600, nothing is future proof, what's your point? mediocre performance for years or great perfomance now and then slower performance as time goes on? I'll take the latter.

>>60632047
Remember when piledriver was going to fix bulldozer?
Good times.

>>60632001
>>60632001
Any other options? The seller doesn't have that one in store unfortunately

>>60632047
Ryzen is already here and Intel is already finished.

Zen+ and onwards are just refinements on the assfucking Intel's getting right now.

>>60631947
Good shout. Worth looking into the 6GB for future-proofing new games, or would it be a select few that are limited to the 6GB?

>>60632056
It's not just a constantly improving console, it's generation-to-generation. The PS3 and PS4, the Xbox 360 and Xbox One, the advancement from one generation to the next is getting smaller and smaller. Microsoft isn't even making an Xbox "Two", they're just putting some new components inside the Xbox One and re-releasing that as Scorpion.

what does cache do in a HDD?

One HDD has 128mb, the other 16mb, is there really any difference?

>>60632070
>Neither will outdated processors like the 1600
wut.
>6 cores, 12 threads
>outdated
pick one

Corsair Vengeance 3200 or 2666 is the same price where I live. It's for an AMD build (R5 1600 on an Asrock B350 Pro 4 mATX). Which one should I pick?

I'm a bit scared of these crappy AMD bios to be honest, I don't want to get 3200 if it ends up not being stable. Please help.

>>60632045
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gdKF9W

>>60632113
>3ghz
>modern
pick one

also learn some reading comprehension, we were talking about in the future, where, like any pc component, the 1600 will be outdated.

>>60632045
looks good

Why is RAM so fucking expensive? It's a goddamn piece of plastic

Are bequiet fans decent? I bought a pure rock and wondering if it's worth replacing the fan with a noctua or noiseblocker.

>>60632133
Why the fuck are you talking about 3GHz? It's not even the base clock and it's an unlocked CPU, no one when talking about the 2500k talks about the 3.3GHz

>>60632091
check for an MSI B350 board that has VRM heatsinks and 4 Ram slots.

>>60632152
Samsung created literal bombs that were unsellable so they're buying all the ddr4 for their next soon-to-be-obsolete normie tracker.

>>60632176
Fucking gooks. We should just let North Korea wipe them out.

>>60632198
North Korea can't even keep their own people fed, much less take over a country.

>>60632228
You don't have to feed them if they're all dead from the bombs.

Me : >>60632117

Apparently the 3200 Vengeance don't work with Ryzen. http://www.corsair.com/fr-fr/landing/ryzen
The 3000 seems fine though.

Any other RAM brands you'd recommend for Ryzen? I don't know much about RAM and Ryzen.

>>60632257
Have you EVER had anything from Korea that worked? Fuck no. Those bombs will fall apart on the way to the launching platform.
>what's the problem Kim Jong Un
>Here's the problem *points to sticker*
>"Made in Korea"

Me >>60632117 >>60632286

Wow but then it gets even more stupid :
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350%20Pro4/#Memory

Seriously fuck AMD can't they do something that JUST WORKS out of the box.

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>tfw bought a 6600k 2 months ago because my ancient p35 MB fried
>tfw ryzen went out 2 weeks after

>>60632342
?????

>>60632342
Just get 3200 MHz and run it on 2133/2666 MHz until they release a BIOS update.

>>60632398
What if it doesn't even boot, causes crashes or some shit.

>>60632409
try just getting into the bios to manually underclock it.

>>60632409
>what is manual ram overclocking

>>60632409
Why would it fucking not boot, cause crash or burn your computer?
QVL is just a list of RAM sticks specifically tried on the motherboard, it doesn't mean anything else is gonna have major problems
Just get RAM from a known brand like everyone else and stop being scared, you have no reason to be worried unless you buy no-name RAM

>>60632123
Any particular reason why should I get Asus mobo instead of Asrock mobo?

>>60632342
Have you seen how much faster RAM you can run on Intel boards? It's like twice that.

>>60632427
>>60632433
I mean, what if the PC doesn't even start? As far as I know there's no known way to underclock RAM with a screwdriver.

All in all it's not like I'm fixated on the Corsair ones, I'd just like RAM that just works out of the box, and if possible I'd rather avoid having to update the bios down the road. This is a PC I'm building for my sibling.

>>60632448
Alright then.

>>60632456
?

>>60632456
Yeah, Intel-socket boards do have better RAM overclocking at the time being, but that's only because of more mature software and as opposed to Ryzen CPUs, the benefits are almost null.

>>60632109
Honestly i kind of wish they'd stop aiming for 4K with consoles.
They've gone so graphics heavy with the gen 8.5 consoles it may be impossible for us to get a real new console gen until well into the 2020s without going backwards resolution wise within any reasonable budget.
We're probably going to be stuck with jaguar processor based consoles for so long a lot of phones could have faster processors by the time we get an upgrade.

Should I go ahead and update my BIOS or just wait for the AGESA 1006 update to come out of beta?

>>60632582
just wait it's a few days away

>>60632582
Yes, update your bios.
Then update again for better ram overclocking

>>60632469
>As far as I know there's no known way to underclock RAM with a screwdriver.
It will automatically underclock the ram, usually to 2133 mhz or 2667 mhz.
Just keep on top of Bios updates and it will eventually be able to run at full speed.

>>60632469
>what if the PC doesn't even start? As far as I know there's no known way to underclock RAM with a screwdriver.
If your motherboard decides to overclock your components on it's own then it means you made a very bad motherboard purchase, this is asking for stuff to go wrong. Inb4 the auto-applied overclock fails during bios update and your motherboard is dead.

>>60632640
>>60632687
I'm pretty scared about Bios updating to be fair. Makes me want to go for the Gigabyte board since I heard it has a dual bios setup? Though I guess if you update it updates both so it doesn't matter...

>>60632720
>Though I guess if you update it updates both
Why would it? That would completely defeat the purpose of dual bios.
Bios updates is safe as long as you aren't feeding it a corrupt file (unlikely unless your storage is fucked) and as long as there isn't a power outage during it

>>60632605
No reason to overclock twice, that just doubles the chance of bricking your mobo.

If the power goes out during flashing, you lose your mobo.

move when needed
>>60632826
>>60632826
>>60632826

Or you could just use my thread. It's been up all day
>>60624205
>>60624205
>>60624205

>>60632861
Pls stop

>>60632861
There's a good reason why none of us are going in your thread and i think we've told you enough at this point
We're not going in there, the past two threads didn't even though yours was created earlier. This one isn't going in there either.

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>>60632874
Nah

>>60632911
I'm well aware that this is a retard circlejerk general

>>60632916
>I'm well aware that this is a retard circlejerk general
Then stop wasting your own time.
it's just really sad watching you try really hard to make us go into your own threads and yet keep failing at it. We're not going in there, you know we're not going in there, so stop doing this to yourself.

>>60632849
>>60632861
You two can go fucking kill yourself. When this thread dies, we will switch to whatever thread we want. Go get attention by buying fidget spinners, autistic retards

>>60632945
>you try really hard to make us go into your own threads
>try hard
I haven't. I just post the links once or twice. If you check my thread, you can see that you and your butthurt butt buddies have shit up my thread from top to bottom, probably due do loose bowels from shear fear or butt fucking

>>60633165
Literally waiting hours until we reach bump limit to create your thread as fast as possible, like a fucking rat
And you come back every few days to do that
That's definitely try harding.

>>60633188
Luck. I've been out of the house for most of the afternoon

>>60628128
I see pepe

>>60633223
And the moment you come back all you can think of is this /pcbg/ general that keeps shitting on you

>>60633275
Would you really care if some downs syndrome looking nigger walked up to you on the street and stuttered the word shill a few times? I'm not phased, and in fact the total amount of butthurt is nothing short of amazing

>>60633376
k

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Italian Amazon has heavy discounts on z170 and z270 asus motherboards.
Which one is the best considering I'm planning on 1440p 144hz with some light overclocking on a single GPU. No need for an absurd number of HDD's or m2 SSD's or NMVes I often see the Hero recommended, but what does it offer more than the z170 Pro?
While i'm spending a lot to reach 1440p 144hz, i dont want to buy useless shit. So if the higher priced motherboards offer more use, then sure, but otherwise i'd prefer to save some money.

>>60633755
Also, should i get z170 or z270? As far as i know the main difference is the 4 extra pcie lanes.

>>60633755
If you're gonna go for a Kaby-Lake CPU (7xxx) then you're forced to get z270 because z170 doesn't support without a bios update

>>60633823
I could bios update with a USB drive fairly easily couldn't I?