/pcbg/ - PC Building Genera

Assuming i wanna do some decent overclocking of my R7 1700, say to 3.7 or 3.8GHz here, what cooler would be great for this at the lowest price possible? Also it needs to be non-noisy, and it'd be great if i could slap one of my 140mm fans on it
The stock cooler isn't good for achieving those overclocks at a constant full load.

>>60624231
>Threadripper/i9 soon
NOT SOON ENOUGH REEEEEE

>>60624311
tfw no release date announced yet for threadripper ;_;
computex in two days though

gsync or freesync?

ryzen with apu ``nuc'' when

>>60624405
Depends
If you're gonna go for a $250~ or lower priced GPU, then Freesync all the way because the AMD cards in that price range are competitive & freesync doesn't cost any premium
If you're gonna spend more than that for your GPU, considering AMD isn't even competing above this price point, you have no choice but to go GSync at the current time.

Vega soon & AMD computex even in 2 - 5 days though, so maybe you'll want to fetch a Vega card once it release

>>60624405
neither. save yourself money and potential blindness from a shit image quality by buying a high quality IPS panel.

freesync and gsync are arguably only really worth it at the high end, which offers good IPS panels with good sizes and resolutions.

whats a good monitor in the 32" 1440p range, i don't need higher refresh as nothing i play would benefit from it

>>60624431
>AMD on release
I made that mistake once with the 5850.
Never again.

>>60624443
What happened with it?
I haven't gotten any AMD GPU on release but i'm very pleased with my release R7 1700 purchase though

>>60624457
AMD reference coolers means free heater during winter

>>60624475
They've ditched the reference coolers for the 5xx series and their high end cards always have pretty good cooler (R9 295x2, Fury line, etc)
Granted, they're pretty much forced to put a great cooler in there considering how much heat these cards released

>>60624443
i think the 5850 was just shit in general. one of my friends had one and he used to tell me about how it would constantly throttle because of it's stupidly high temps. i think it only had 1gb vram as well.

>>60624475
You are fucking retarded. Please get off /g/

A reference cooler doesn't mean that the chip puts out less heat, just that the chip isn't cooled as effectively.

>>60624494
5850 and 5870 was so value for money that they were sold out for months iirc. But yeah, if you don't have a good cooling system in place, it would constantly throttle because of how hot it got. So never again.

>>60624484
That is good to know. I know my current card (290) is another space heater with it reference coolers.

>>60624494
1GB of VRAM was fine back then.
If it was throttling it was probably due to a poor cooler, Terrascale was more efficient than fermi so it's shouldn't have been -producing- more heat, just not dissipating it.

>>60624517
It is a meme retard. Here is the real reason >>60624494. Not that it didn't stop everyone from calling the 5800 series heaters.

What's a good RAM kit to go with a Ryzen 1600? Looking for 16gb, speed doesn't matter too much, it's mostly for gaming.

>>60624640
G.Skill FlareX

>>60624640
>speed doesn't matter too much
with ryzen it does. check your motherboard's QVL list and pick a model from there. look for at least 3000mhz

>>60624640
Cheapest you can find from a known brand, really. I'm rocking some 2600MHz CAS 16 (pretty bad) Corsair Ballistyx with my R7 1700, and everything works well and fast.

Going for a $600 to $700 build US (will probably get different peripherals or cheaper)

Rate, hate, and discriminate kudasai

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4GLvQV

>>60624683
>>60624688
I've been out of the building scene for a while, didn't ryzen have problems on launch when paired with certain ram solutions? Or has that been fixed?

>>60624688
i wouldn't recommend doing that. especially when ryzen has problems hitting higher frequencies i'd just pick something from qvl.
faster ram is usually marginally more expensive but performs better.
of course in your build everything works well but compared to let's say 3200mhz you'd be losing performance in exchange for not a lot more money

>>60624539
>It is a meme retard
Get off my /g/ you meming shitheadd. You can't even meme properly

>>60624710
It's dependent on motherboard and kits, and the problem are overclocking problems, aka difficulties for the motherboard to POST forcing you to run at lower speed

> Or has that been fixed?
Past bioses updates had improved upon it a lot, but those were workarounds and had to be thrown out of the window with the previous Agesa update for compatibility reasons. AMD made an update to fix all of this and gave motherboard manufacturers the update around two weeks ago, we're now waiting for them to complete their bioses that will include this update.

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>>60624735
You seem upset

>>60624752
Well the motherboard I've got my sights on right now is the Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 Motherboard, I'm not looking to spend too much on mobo + ram beyond what is necessary, since I'll be moving to Vega once it comes out and money is a little tight. I don't really plan on overclocking, rather I'll probably upgrade when AMD releases their last line of AM4 CPUs, to get the most mileage out of the motherboard, and potentially also the ram, if standards change again or they're not compatible with mobos in the near future.

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wow intel is embarrassing

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>>60624855
Really makes you think

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>>60624875
>all those people that are still buying i5s

>>60624875
>works out of the box
>don't have to babysit updates and workarounds
>games are literally built for your chipset
>literal intel shills have sponsored almost every big twitch streamers rigs

AMD really needs to work on their marketing game for the masses.

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>>60624875
>all those people that are still buying i5s
are now buying the 1600

>>60624875
>amazon is the single market for cpus

>>60624916
might as well buy a console then

>games are literally built for your chipset
what did he mean by this

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>>60624705
Is it just shit?

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Damn intel cant even sell a flagship

>>60624946
Show me a bigger supplier who also posts their stats

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>>60624929
Except, you know, they aren't

Here are the top selling CPUs on new egg

Fucking FX CPUs are selling better than Rypoo

>>60624908

>tfw yuropoor
>tfw bought a i5-6500 literally a year
>tfw netflix 4k drm doesn't work here
>tfw too poor to buy a i7
>tfw ryzen was a year away from release

I really wanted Ryzen, but the situation didn't let me buy it.

>>60624916
>>60624875
nice samefagging you cuck

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>>60624975
Really makes you think

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>>60624968
>FX selling better
great indication that amazon isnt a good metric img_xxxx

>>60624989
>what is paint

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>>60624994
Oh really, then New Egg is better?

Here are the top 8 selling CPUs on New Egg

Notice anything?

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>>60624972
>had money to buy LGA 1150 i5 to replace my g1840
>bought from ebay, seller never sent it, got refunded
>ended up spending all the money on video games
>1 year later Ryzen comes out at the very moment i have money again
got really lucky there

>>60624705
>>60624959
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rY7czM
does this fit in your budget?

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Why does Nvidia & AMD both use blower-style coolers with original design cards?

Aren't they beaten in both cooling and noise by even a single top-down fan?

>>60625043

blower style has significantly more cooling power but the noise levels are shit

>>60624705
>>60624959
any reason for going with that mobo? you don't need ATX and biostar isn't the best pick nowadays.
go with PCI network adapter. they perform better and you don't want to have your usb slot taken all the time.
if you can then go with one of the samsung freesync monitors like S24E370DL. they have panels with MUCH better colors (PLS is literally samsung's name for IPS).
DO NOT pay for windows. you're already going to give them all of your privacy. just pirate it. it only doesn't let you to change some of the personalization settings but there are workarounds. with saved money you could go for a better gpu/monitor

>>60625012
that its updated in the same way amazon is and isnt representative? get lost img_xxxx, you, aren't subtle

>>60625043
>Aren't they beaten in both cooling and noise by even a single top-down fan?
Not in every situation. They could make aftermarket-style coolers, but then they'd be competing with aftermarket brands (EVGA/Gigabyte/Asus/MSI/etc etc etc) which would make them really unhappy.

>>60625055
>blower style has significantly more cooling power

False, blower GPUs actually run hotter in 99% of cases

>>60625066
Yes clearly it's just a giant conspiracy, all of the best selling lists are wrong

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>>60625043
>>60625055

Bullshit, blower style does not have more cooling performance.

The reason blower style is the reference design is because it is not dependent on good case airflow, so it will work in (almost) any possible case. Which makes sense for a reference design, you don't want it to not work well in certain situations.

>>60625074
Get lost img_xxxx, you, aren't subtle

>>60625093
Fuck off AMD shill

We should add a guide of "Software to install in new builds"
which should start with things as drivers and go on to general
programs that are required to run software people often run and
end up with a list of recommendations for good browsers/torrenting
software/media players etc.

>>60625019
>seller never sent it
This still happens wtf?

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>>60625097
>everyone that thinks my shitposting is annoying is a shill

Get lost img_xxxx, you, aren't subtle

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>>60624994
are you trying to claim google searches = more sales? it's a known fact amd products sell like shit compared to the competitors. there is nothing shocking with any of these numbers being provided.

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>>60625113
>facts are shitposting

Sorry you can't handle reality AMD shill

>>60625105
>anonymous people are still lazy/untrustworthy?
Did you just come out of stasis or something m8?
That shit's never going to change.

>>60624231
Let's just say that I want the RX580 to combine with R5 1600, but it's out of stock, plus, the GTX1060 is now cheaper. What do?

P.S.
>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA)
Why all the tests online say that's not true even in DX12 games?

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>>60625130
>"""""""""facts"""""""""""

>>60625169
because you are looking at shill shit

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>>60625169
>Why all the tests online say that's not true even in DX12 games?
The outperforming part? Not sure what benchmarks you've been looking at, but the RX 580 getting much better performance gains in Vulkan & DX12 has been around since the RX 480 release and is a known fact at this point

>>60625169
1060 is generally the better choice

After Nvidia updated their drivers it now beats the same priced AMD offering

>>60625132
I thought they just stopped selling on ebay.. .

>>60625169
Either consider getting rx 570 which is better value for money otherwise
if you're willing to have to pay +200$ for g-sync monitors in the future
consider the 1070 at least which is a pretty good card.

>>60625207
>After Nvidia updated their drivers it now beats the same priced AMD offering
It catched up but is still behind, and Freesync makes the RX 580 more appealing.

>>60625201
>every game nvidia is better in is shit
wow, nice sponsorship, how did AMD grab up all the good sponsorship

>>60625207
nice try shill. see >>60625201. note that it's the 9gbps version of 1060. not to mention rx580 has more vram and supports freesync.

>>60625218
If you are going FreeSync then yeah you will save some money going 580

But 1060 has other advantages too like way less power usage and heat

>>60625169
Wait™ or get the 1060.
It's up to you.

>>60625169
the 1060 at stock matches the 580. that says a lot about how much better it is. if it's matching a heavily oc aftermarket 1400mhz 580 at only 1700 mhz boost, imagine how much it rapes the 580 when it's oc to 2.1ghz.

>>60625218
dont listen to that cuck hes just massive shill

>>60625218
>freesync

fuck off marketer. nobody wants your shitty panels. we know it's not selling well but that doesn't mean you have to shill it here.

>>60624946
don't forget
>gaming is the only use for cpus

>>60625232
>but what if the oc 1060
gets beaten by a oc 580, Get lost img_xxxx, you, aren't subtle

>>60624705
>OS
lol

>>60625240
>shitty panels
what is samsung monitors

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>>60625240
Get lost img_xxxx, you, aren't subtle

>>60625243
b-bb-ut it d-do-sent fit my n-n-narrative

>>60625245
nope. here is just one example of the 1060 beating the 580 oc even in an amd sponsored game and a generally very well optimized game as of now. no shady business going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyOsOrhGKts

>>60625263
no nvidia pajeet shill approved

>>60625268
Jesus christ you are insane

>>60625277
>some random loser on jewtube
lol no see >>60625201

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>>60625280
>ill use a ad hominem that will work

>>60625263
oh wow yeah i really wanna pay £300 for a shitty 24" TN 1080p garbage tier panel when i can get a £220 32"inch samsung LED screen with much better colors and bigger screen size. only a fucking colossal retard will buy a freesync monitor for muh 75hz and shitty colors and size over a superior bigger LED/IPS screen.

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>>60625230
Here's the power usage (which also means heat output)

Huge difference between the 1060 and 580

>>60625322
still cheaper than g-sync LOL

also all lcds have garbage color LOL

>>60625288
can't tell if you're retarded or trolling. i didn't say that was wrong (>>60625232):

>the 1060 at stock matches the 580
unless you think 2% difference isn't within the definition of "matching". i'm talking OC vs OC and it's clear from many videos that even a 580 at 1500mhz loses out to a 1060 at 2.1 ghz.

>>60625322
my freesync monitor is ips 144hz nice strawman

>>60625322
That's the problem I have

Can't find a fucking gsync or freesync good IPS monitor that isn't like $1000

Would much rather have a good IPS panel than that BS

>>60625322
Actually a 75Hz 1080p TN with freesync is only $180

>>60625336
>70 watts
a light bulb sure is a lot for a pajeet like you

>>60625343
>he fell for the 1440p meme

Have fun with your shitty 1080p scaling

>>60625322
Samsung S24E370DL is 150$ you fucking retard.

>>60625322
link me to that superior screen you're talking about autist

>>60625338
who's talking about g-sync? and LED's do not have better colors, especially vs shitty freesync TN panels. fuck off.

>>60625343
did it cost less than my 32" samsung LED screen at $220 ($250)?

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>>60625353
NOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>60625353
>TN

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>>60625355
no one cares kid

>>60625374
you got any gsync monitor for 180$

>>60625354
It's not the cost I'm concerned about, it's the extra heat generated

It means the 580 is going to run louder and heat up the rest of your components and living space

>>60625374
Can you read?

>>60625356
>60hz

woahh yeah lemme just swap my current 32" samsung screen which uses their advanced tv tech for a 23" screen at the same 60hz refresh which also costs the same price!

>>60625393
>70 watts
then touch a lightbulb

>>60625392
Haven't found any g-sync or freesync monitor that is good yet

why is this board plagued with paid amd shills? like seriously, not buying shit like a freesync monitor or buying a 1060 for cheaper than a 580 is considered a crime here

>>60625408
still no link. i guess you're just baiting.

>>60625349
yeah exactly, also this >>60624432

>>60625360
>and LED's do not have better colors,
>doesn't even understand monitor tech
LOL

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I have gone full retard.
Someone recommend me a 144hz monitor to get.

>>60625416
>that is good
its 180 you autist

>>60625374
If you want a Dell SE2717H is 75Hz IPS freesync at ~$200

>>60625432
link to what?

>>60625336
It's true that the RX 580 uses way more, but 344 system load is small as fuck

>>60625443
do have*

happy?

>>60625423
I get paid in ethereum I mine in mommy's basement :^)

>>60625452
your screen

>>60625446
>cheap is good

My IPS monitor cost even less and looks 10x better

>>60625474
Get lost img_xxxx, you aren't subtle

>>60625477
http://www.samsung.com/uk/tvs/full-hd-h5000/UE32H5000AKXXU/

5ms response in pc mode. i've tested it. you can find them on ebay for £100 or about $120 since it's no longer in production.

>>60625491
>20$ ips monitor
what did you find it at goodwill poorfag?

>>60625423
>why is this board plagued with paid amd shills?

AMD stock shills have infested forums and comment sections all over the internet

They buy AMD stock and then spend all day from their mommy's basement trying to pump up AMD stock with ridiculous shilling

Living basicly in a cabin in the woods so general room temperature, specially in summer is always pretty high.
Was going to build me a new machine for mostly gaming and some other work. Are there any gpus you'd recommend for 1080p gaming that only generate a moderate amount of heat for such an enviroment?

>>60625415
What are you even on about, 70 watts is quite a lot of heat to dissipate. AMD really screwed the power efficiency with the RX 580 and if I ever got one the first thing I'd do is underclock and undervolt it to hit the Polaris efficiency sweet spot.

>>60625527
Just get one of those cases with a 200mm fan on the front.
As long as your case has good airflow no survivable ambient temperature will make your gpu non-functional.

>>60625527
1050 Ti has the best heat/power efficiency at 1080p

>>60625518
Get lost img_xxxx, you aren't subtle

>>60625589
Get lost AMD shill

>>60625509
>he uses tv for pc gaming
>1080p at fucking 32"
AHAHAHHA
i knew it. you're literally retarded.

>5ms. i've tested it
you missed a 0 there. i'm curious how you tested it. unless you have professional camera (like here https://youtu.be/MzHxhjcE0eQ?t=6m55s ) your "5ms" is bullshit.

we're discussing M O N I T O R S not tv screens. learn a fucking difference and then come back

>>60625576
Going for a lower heat output is a better option though, especially if he can't properly ventilate the environment.

>>60625527
I'd get at most the GTX 1060, but if you're happy playing at lower settings and your games aren't too GPU intense even a GTX 1050 or a 1050 Ti might suffice.

>>60625510
Cost about $150

>nearly june
>Volta reveal still not even scheduled

So, they skipping a generation again, or...

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>>60625593
>REEEEEEEEEE IVE BEEN FOUND

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>>60625598
>being this predicatable
nope. there's a wealth of software that allows you to measure response time accurately with timers. i'm sorry that my £100 screen btfo's your £300 23 inch monitor whilst also being bigger and having better colors. my condolences

>>60625610
It's only been a year since pascal launched. Just be thankful (or hopeful) we aren't getting rebrands.

any idea when RX 5__ will be available again?

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>>60625625
>REEEEEEEEEE IVE BEEN FOUND

>>60625589
>>60625593
>>60625625
>>60625658
both of you fuck off

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>>60625658
>posting the edited one

report shitposters and ignore them

I made my first build yesterday and I've got almost everything working. The main issue I have right now are my fan/s; when I open a game the fan/s will increase their power, however after closing the game the fan/s will remain on full blast until I turn the PC off. I'm saying "fan/s" because I'm not exactly sure which fans are going on full blast. I have 2 Corsair stock fans that came with my Carbide 400C, with an additional Noctua fan on the roof, my Gigabyte G1 Gaming 1070 card fans and my Noctua NH-U14S CPU cooler. I don't think it's the CPU cooler making all that noise since Noctua fans are supposed to be quiet. It's probably the graphics card fans.
From what I understand I need to create a custom fan curve? What software would you guys recommend?

>>60625604
>>60625584
>>60625576
Thanks for that input. Graphic settings are not that much of a concern for me, I value performance more than anything. Guess I'll shoot for a 1050 ti.

>>60625689
>What software would you guys recommend?
Depends
If it's GPU fans, you can do it easily using MSI afterburner
If it's CPU or System fans, do it in the bios

>>60625634
>thinks his tv actually has 5ms response rate
>doesn't know what input lag is
>doesn't know difference between monitors and tvs
>thinks you can accurately measure input lag with software
>1080p on 32" is good for him
you know absolutely NOTHING about hardware. please stop embarrassing yourself and fuck off to >>>/v/.

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>>60625670
>posting the edited one

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>>60625732

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>>60625743

>>60625732

>thinks amd is anywhere near as jewish as intel

at least get your meme right

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>>60625754
>being this mad

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>>60625725
>he thinks i don't also own 2 other monitors, one being a 1ms TN and another led samsung 23 inch monitor
>he thinks input lag on tv's is universal
>he thinks monitors have no input lag
>he's too retarded to do basic math calculations
>paying more for a worse screen is good for him

you know absolutely NOTHING about anything at all. please stop embarrassing yourself and fuck off to >>>/v/.

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>>60625761
Yes good goy! Join the AMD communist revolution and overthrow the evil Intel fascists!

>>60625795

back to your containment board

>>60625732
this is so accurate it's actually funny. i'm referencing amd fanboys and not amd users in general btw.

t. 390 owner

>>>60625285
I just want to be sure the shit won't be leaking all over my hardware.

I just asked Corsair for a RMA.
I'll put it back if he confirms me it's safe.

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>/pcbg/
>it's another AMD vs. Intel episode

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>>60625795
>being this mad

>>60625059
Not really, a friend recommended some of this stuff and I'm not too familiar with computers.

>>60625024
It's a bit over but I think it's fine since I'll just delay buying it by 2 weeks until I get paid.

>>60625818
just report img_xxxx until he gets banned again

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It's not fair.

>>60625860
i'm sorry for your bad purchase anon

>>60625818
Reminds me of the Fallout 3 vs. New Vegas threads on /v/ back in the day.

Spoiler: Fallout 3 and Intel are better than New Vegas and AMD.

>>60625867
New Vegas is better
So is AMD

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>>60625820
>being this mad

>>60625867
no and >>>/v/

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>>60625883
>steam

Is getting Ryzen 1800x worth it or should I wait for Ryzen 2 or whatever? I have a 2600k and its starting to show its age when I do some compiling.

>>60625785
i wouldn't trust your eyes when you think full hd on 32" screen is watchable. if you think your tv has less than 20ms input lag you're delusional.
http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag . also going into pc mode lowers image quality.

just read some articles https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/230182-why-modern-hdtvs-still-arent-as-good-as-monitors-for-gaming

>>60625960
you could get a 1800x or wait its up to you, the 1800x would be an improvement

>>60625960
Ryzen 3 is going to compete with the Intel i3.
Yes the 1800X is worth it. It matches performance with the Intel 6900k

>>60625960
if anything go for 1700. 1800x is simply not worth it. unless you want to wait another year for zen+ i'd say just build now.
it will be compatible with am4 anyway so you can swap in the future if there are notable performance gains.

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>>60625960
Go R7 1700, it performs close to the 1800x and the performance difference can be tightened by overclocking + good cooler which still ends up cheaper

>>60625988
>Ryzen 3 is going to compete with the Intel i3.
He was talking about Zen+, which should be the second iteration of Ryzen CPUs

>>60625966
>if you think your tv has less than 20ms input lag you're delusional.
even modern tv's have less than 20ms input lag. DF did actual testing and their best 4k one had only 15ms input lag and that wasn't even pc mode

>also going into pc mode lowers image quality.
no it doesn't. the only thing it does is take off those shitty motion filters. the panel and it's capability of handling color ranges and all that doesn't change at all. also custom settings within the tv menu and in the driver control centre of your gpu do exist to get that picture perfect image, if you didn't know. your monitor probably only has 3 settings within its menu.

>>60625986
>>60625988
>>60625995
>>60626010
Ok thanks. I don't want to go the 1700 route because I don't upgrade often.

can you save a card from dying VRam?

>>60626101
the 1700 is almost the same as the 1800x

>>60626105
if you know how to deball and reflow then yes

>>60626101
>I don't want to go the 1700 route
it's literally the same processor though, just lower clocked

>>60626155

Does the 1700 run hotter or cooler than the 1800X when both are clocked at the same speed?

>>60626093
>even modern tv's have less than 20ms input lag.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-the-best-4k-screens-for-hdr-gaming
"Most of Samsung's 2016 line-up features under 25ms latency with game mode enabled"
these cost 1k+. not comparable with 200$ tv he's using. and no way it has 5ms lag like he says

>>60626180
cooler, just overclock

>>60626180
Depends on the particular chip, you could get a badly binned 1800X and a phenomenal 1700 and the 1700 would be better.
The extra digits on the price tag just makes this unlikely.

>>60626180
The R7 1700 doesn't clock as high as the 1800x but comes close enough that the difference is minimal;

>>60626197
you do realize that cheaper tv's exhibit less input lag as there's less processing, right? a barebones tv is closer to a monitor than a $3k tv due to all the processing that occurs which can't be fully turned off, not even in game mode. also it's a fact that a 32 inch tv will have less input lag in general compared to a bigger 40+ inch tv due to how tv's work.

>>60626248
"Smart" TVs were a mistake.

>>60626101
>>60626180
from Silcon Lottery:
"Ryzen 7 1700
93% reach 3.8 GHz @ 1.376V
70% reach 3.9 GHz @ 1.408V
23% reach 4.0 GHz @ 1.440V

Ryzen 7 1700X
100% reach 3.8 GHz @ 1.360V
77% reach 3.9 GHz @ 1.392V
33% reach 4.0 GHz @ 1.424V

Ryzen 7 1800X
97% reach 3.9 GHz @ 1.376V
67% reach 4.0 GHz @ 1.408V
20% reach 4.1 GHz @ 1.440V"
that's all the difference. unless you want to jerk off to that extra 0.1-0.2 Ghz go 1700.

Ok people, I need advice on some stuff and I'd like to hear the so-called wisdom of the crowd (kek)

What's the smallest mATX case that I can go with a single GPU, dust filters included?

>>60626222
>doesn't clock as high as the 1800x
most 1700's can get to 3.9-4 ghz

>>60626268
Yeah but temps man, temps. What are the temps. When the 1800X is at 3.9GHz and the 1700 is at 3.9GHz, what's the temps? I see lower voltage needed to get the 1800X to 3.9GHz, does that translate to better thermal performance?

>>60626315
>what's the temps?
lower than intel thats all you got to know

>>60626325
Since I'm trying to compare the 1700 to the 1800X Intel doesn't really factor in to this at all.

>>60626315
Of course it's better

Don't listen to the retards that tell you to "just overclock"

There's a reason why AMD sells two different processors

I don't know anything about computers I just picked mostly random stuff for a gaming build. Money isn't an issue but I wanna keep it less than 1500 and want to see if I can have a better build for same amount of money. Rate and hate

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

>>60626315
Yes, the temp are lower, but why does this matter this much to you?
The difference isn't big at all.

>>60626334
the temp is still pretty much the same

>>60626374
i like this link

>>60625988
I doubt he meant the r3, more like he meant threadripper

>>60626383
>why does this matter this much to you

Because I'm the kind of retard that buys 80+Titanium PSUs and gets a hardon when the fans don't even need to spin up.

>>60626374
That link will just take us to our own build anon.

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>>60626374
>that link

10/10 build. Literally perfect.

Overclocking my i5 3570K right now. After about 4 hours and 45 restarts I've finally got it stable at 4.4Ghz and 1.24 Volts. Problem is I'm running Prime95 at the moment and hitting around 85C. Would this be considered too high or is it OK because Prime95 just rapes too hard?

>>60626432
Its too high, you're motherboard will melt from that heat.

>>60626432
That's too high. Do you have liquid cooling?

>>60626432
prime95 rapes too hard imo. it was making my cpu hit 75C when i was testing with it but in general use and even in heavy gaming my cpu doesn't hit over 60. it might be worth changing your thermal paste though.

>>60626443
>>60626445

No, using a Hyper 212 Evo. The info I've been reading so far have said under 90 is safe for Prime95 seen as the program is basically the hardest stress test for the CPU and not indicative of real-world use. Now I don't know what to believe anymore.

>>60626453

Weirdly it's settled down to 81C maximum now.

>>60626458
>Hyper 212 Evo
It's been like 10 years how has nobody made a better entry level budget cooler than this yet?

>>60626432
if it's stable i would just monitor the temps during your general use i.e hard gaming or some shit. it's not like you're going to run prime95 24/7.

>>60626504
Cooler tech doesn't advance as fast other tech.

I'm positive air coolers will still be here in 2025.

>>60626504
there are plenty like cryorig h7, be quiet! pure rock or silentiumpc fortis 3 (eu only). people pick 212 evo because "hurr durr many reviews or amazon" or some shit

>>60626269
Depend on which metric you consider small.
There's your cubic ones which tend to have lower overall volume but are not very adaptable to available space like the Thermaltake - Core V21 or Aerocool - DS Cube
Or there's more traditionally proportioned elongated rectangular boxes which can be oriented so they either take up less horizontal space but more vertical, or less vertical but more horizontal based on how you rotate it like Fractal Design - Define Mini or Silverstone - TJ08B-E.
Pretty much every case comes with some kind of dust filter now anyway.

>>60626432
It's on the high side, but nothing deadly. In any case if in your general use you don't fully stress the CPU all the time I'd call it a day.

Just built a fresh rig, HDD isn't being recognized at all. I tried a new SATA cable and port, nothing. Maybe power is bad, should I hear it spinning even if it's a fresh drive?

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>>60626458
>>60626490
i'm also using a 212 evo on a 4690k at 4.4ghz. change your thermal paste and just try playing some games and see how high it hits. i changed mine just days ago and it's reduced my temps by 5-7C at idle.

>>60626545
it should make SOME noise. if you can't hear it at all then it's not powered.

>>60626507

Yeah seems to be stable. It's quite fucked up because the difference between stable and BSOD was about 0.05 volts, so I'm nervous about fucking with it again. Will leave Prime95 to run for most of the day and see if the temps settled any more.

>>60626504

I was going to do a full upgrade but as I have a 1080p monitor decided against it, Hyper 212 Evo seemed like the best bang for buck cooler.

>>60626537

Now this is an answer I can get on board with

>>60626551

Yeah the idle temps did worry me a bit. Was sitting at around 46C idle. But to be fair it's one of the warmest and most humid days we've had here in UK. 25C and sticky as fuck. Might sort out the thermal paste a bit later, took me long enough to get this cooler on, don't fancy going through all that again quite yet.

>>60626432

>>60626443
>>60626445

That's not too high, that processor shouldn't throttle until 105C

>>60626586
it's been raining here in london.

also you can always go into bios and adjust the cpu fan curve to lower temps.

/pcbg/'s thoughts on this cooler? Is it compatible with am4?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16835214071

>>60626659

I'm in Essex, we've been pretty lucky today but it looks like it's about to rain now.

And yeah I set all fans to turbo but need to look into better fan control, could help my situation a bit.

>>60626690
its not compatable but why even bother going aftermarket with amd?

>>60626775
Because i got the 1600x and i want to overclock.

Why shouldn't someone buy an i5 7600k over the R5 1600X if all they do is play video games?

>>60626934
Because for a mere $100 more you can get an i7 7700k instead.

>>60626934
Because 4 cores 4 threads is not enough to comfortably play AAA games, as it has fuckall room left for other software to run & reach 100% usage spikes causing stutter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

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/g/, I need your help.

I have been taking a look at my CPU temp from time to time and under 50% load my i7-2600k is at 70-80°C. Pic related is my thermal paste.
I should change it right ?

Also, when I removed the cooler I saw that one of the push in pins is broken. Should I buy a new cooler for my CPU ? I have a Sythe Katana 3 Type I right now.

Thanks.

3570K overclock guy here. Been doing some heavy gaming and getting around 70C max. Should I call it a day?

>>60626964
>Ryzen consistently runs 8-10C hotter and has 300-500MB more RAM usage
>both of the easily crush the 60fps limit for the entire video

Poor choice of video, makes me want an i5 7600 instead.

>>60626988
That doesn't look that bad. I have seen worse. But yeah replace it. Clean your heat sink, I think that is the problem.

>>60627015
Nice bait.

Both of those things are irrelevant when you can actually watch a YouTube video or shitpost on 4chan while you game.

>>60627034
I bought the system 2012 and I have been worrying about that for quite some time now.

But the cooler is fine, right ? Even with the broken pin. I checked the cooler and I don't think that it's not tightly in place but I got OCD when it comes to that.

>>60627015
oh my god a 6 cores CPU runs at 56°C WHAT WILL WE DO
If you wanna buy an obviously inferior product, you are free to do so

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>>60627044
>framerate, temperature, and memory are irrelevant because I can distract myself from the video game with let's plays!

>>60627059
>framerate
Nearly the same.
>temp
Nearly the same.
>Memory
Nearly the same.

Oh well, Have fun with your stutterlake i guess.

>>60627052
Depends. How badly is it broken? Can it be still secured in place. If yes then it should be fine.

>>60626964
>Because 4 cores 4 threads is not enough to comfortably play AAA games

That's complete bullshit. A fucking 2 core can handle games just fine.

>>60627076
It's one of the 4 holding pins. I tried moving the cooler and the heat sink but it doesn't move.

I just don't wanna cause damage to my CPU by slight vibrations and stuff.
I don't wanna ask the employees at the shop where I usually buy stuff because they'll just try to sell me stuff

>>60624946
I actually don't buy from amazon because their selection and prices are terrible

Actually, generally speaking specialist stores are all-around better for deals, prices, and selection. Amazon's turning into the western equivalent of a chinkshit store. Like an online walmart or something.

>>60627110
If you are worried get a new cooler cause for sure there will be vibrations due to 3 pins instead of 4. Whether that damages a CPU or not I have no idea.

>>60627073
>framerate
Nearly the same.
>temp
10C hotter.
>Memory
500MB more.
>price
$30-40 more expensive.

Can't even hit the price/performance ratio.

>>60625121
Those aren't google searches

fucking idiots all over these threads

>>60627143
>the best value CPU is actually NOT the best value CPU!
sure thing

>>60627143
>10C hotter
Oh no a 6-core cpu runs a bit hotter, someone call the fire department.

>500MB more.
500mb... out 8/16gb of memory? OH MY GOD!

>$30-40 more expensive
Lie.

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>>60627173
>>60627164

Embarrassing.

>>60627164
The best value CPU is the 7600k (overclocked)

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>>60627199
Yeah it is, why lie?

>>60627164
>>60627200
Actually the best value CPU is whatever you can get for free! Time to start dumpster diving.

>>60627200
No it is not, the video showcase exactly the opposite.
A 7600 cost more than an R5 1600 because it requires a cooler, and is dogshit compared to hit because it hits 100% usage spikes frequently and has 0 room for software to run: you're forced to close all the shit you have open to ensures the least amount of stutter. And even then, it'll still happen regardless as you can see in the three videos that are recordings of fucking benchmark stations on fresh windows install with 0 software running in the background
You could overclock to 10 niggahurtz for all you care, it will not make up for it even remotely. 4 core 4 threads is shit and enough, i mean jesus fuck it manages to be a bottleneck in the 5 years old GTA V, and you think this is better than the R5 1600?

You're just trying really hard to make it look like the R5 1600 is a bad choice by nitpicking useless dumb shit (few degress higher, the framerate difference isn't even that big! the Ryzen uses 500MB more memory (even though it doesn't and at times even uses LESS)!!!)

You are here either to shitpost or shit on AMD, which is pretty much the same these days. Go away.

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>>60627236
>non-X non-K versions

>>60626180
It's the exact same chip but the 1800x has better binning so it's sold for a premium.
A lot of people apparently don't understand this about ryzen. All the ryzen chips are the same chip.

I actually had one idiot try to tell me the 1700 has faster singlethreaded performance than the 1600x yesterday.

>>60627255
>buying on X version of a Ryzen CPU

Sorry intel shill, but all Ryzen CPUs are unlocked.

>>60627199
The videos sent showed the R5 1600 though??? Which is lower clocked and comes with a stock cooler, and yet it keeps winning

>>60627254
Complete FUD

1600 is not a bad choice, the 7600K is just better

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>>60627255
>he needs to pay a premium and buy a cooler for overclocking

>>60627255
the 1600X offers nothing over the 1600 except maybe the thought that you gave AMD more money than you had to.

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>>60627278
That's the best argument i've ever seen

Looking for a very budget case; 35$ would be pushing it.

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>>60627299

>>60627315
Shitty static charts need not apply.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE
Actual footage of the benchmark > shitty static charts.
And coincidentally, all those four give different results than yours. Strange, huh?

>>60627315
I can't get into any gaming fps benchmarks where every single one is over 60fps, like, what's the difference at all beyond that point? Literally don't see it. Is there nothing out there that stresses these cards so hard that they drop below 60fps?

>>60626507
Why don't people do this instead of running rape-my-cpu.exe for 5 hours?

That's literally what I did when testing my overclocks. Do an overclock, run rape-my-cpu.exe for only 10 minutes not 5 hours; okay it didn't crash, play games.

If my games crashed, I'd fiddle the overclock down a little and go again.

If my computer is never running at max overclock for more than a few minutes, ever, even with really intensive shit like video encoding, then I don't need it to stay stable for an entire day running under full load.

If I ever DID need that, I'd honestly just underclock instead.

>>60627345
>Why don't people do this instead of running rape-my-cpu.exe for 5 hours?

Because rape-my-cpu is a sexist name.

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qJsR9W
Should I be concerned about this? Anything I should replace/get as a cheaper alternative?
" The Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard. "

>>60627337
Yes for pure gaming it's a waste to get these expensive CPUs

Although there are plenty of points where the minimum will drop below 60 fps if you play on Ultra

If you play on Medium, you really don't need anything more than a Pentium or i3

>>60627337
Those are averages, averages of averages even.
There are a few games where minimums on all CPUs can drop below 60fps.

>>60627366
You'll have to ask Cooler Master a bracket on their website.
Non-samsung SSDs are much cheaper and pretty much the same in speed.
x370 isn't needed unless you need the 2 extra PCIe lanes or the best possible VRMs for some reason.

>>60627100
No, a 2 core cannot handle games just fine. A 2 core is what you buy when you are literally destitute and want to play 5 year old games at medium settings.

And you'll still discover that you have to close down every other application, everything in the system tray, a bunch of services you don't even know what they do, set the cpu affinity for your game, and you'll still get some popup while playing that tanks your performance.

It's not like the rest of us haven't had to live through gaming on shit like that before. You do not want a 2 core, and right now 4 cores are quickly becoming the new 2 cores.

>>60627100
>That's complete bullshit
Too fucking bad a 3 word sentence isn't worth jack shit compared to benchmark videos

>>60624875
>>60624968
>>60625012
$340 for 7700k
Wow. I was at the right place and right time when the 7700k was $300 new on eBay.

>>60627415
>And you'll still discover that you have to close down every other application, everything in the system tray, a bunch of services you don't even know what they do

You act like you shouldn't be doing this anyways. Why should you allow anything to be running on your computer that you don't explicitly want running and know the purpose of? Even if I had 32 fucking cores and two Xeons I'd still close down all the shit I'm not using when I'm not using it because I'm not a fucking animal.

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>>60627415
>a 2 core cannot handle games just fine

Really makes you think.

84.2 average FPS at 1080p ULTRA

>>60627450
Just shows how much of a pleb you are
Thank god most people don't reason like you

>>60627415
>A 2 core is what you buy when you are literally destitute and want to play 5 year old games at medium settings.
It's way more than enough for that, an i3 or pentium g4560 can handle modern games pretty decently at medium settings.

Oops wrong link

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cv9hLD

>>60626988
If you have already went through the work to dismounted your CPU cooler and stuff, you might as well remove the old thermal paste from the cooler and processor and reapply.

>>60627285
The 1600x has better binning and is virtually guaranteed to reach 3.9ghz overclock, and very likely to reach 4 to 4.1ghz overclocks.

While a stock 1600 will be likely to reach 3.8ghz overclock and maybe a 3.9ghz overclock. So you pay $30 for anywhere between 100-300mhz better clock performance; ~3-10% better performance in general.

The only serious downside to the 1600x is it doesn't come with a stock cooler, so you have to spend another $50-100 on that.

>>60627471
You might wanna get two sticks instead of one because of dual channel

What's the usage & resolution?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6b4R9W

Should i go with the RX480 4G or the RX570 4G and what is a good cpu that would not create a bottleneck with these?

>>60627450
god you intelfags are so cucked by intel and you don't even realize it

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>>60627345
>Why don't people do this instead of running rape-my-cpu.exe for 5 hours?
Because obfuscation.
If manufuckturers actually showed you real world application you would be disappoint at how little they actually give you with annual updates. This way they can lie to you more easily and use marketing terms and fake tests to make you need their products rather than buying from the fake competition that they own.

>>60627471
what are the uses? because the only point to the i7's any more is pure frame pushing in games. Anything else and you want Ryzen

>>60627487
A 300MHz difference is still less than 10%.

>>60627506
>Intel motherboard

>>60627523
>I leave my trash just lying around the house because why not?

>>60627400
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZgYyr7
attempted some changes, Tried to find 500gb non samsung ssds, they weren't much cheaper except for one brand, but I've never heard of it before

>>60627543
That's Intel's product line up

>>60627506
The performance difference between a 570 & 480 is pretty small, you should save some money and go for a much cheaper 570, like this one
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/WwQRsY/sapphire-radeon-rx-570-4gb-pulse-itx-video-card-11266-06-20g

An R5 1500x & anything higher than that will not bottleneck the GPU under any situation.
A g4560 on general won't much, but it will have lots of FPS drops.

>>60627529
Bullshit, Ryzen trades blows with anything Intel

Ryzen = good if you do a lot of video editing

Intel = good if you do a lot of gaming

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>>60627567

>>60627506
You should check if they're even in stock first.

>>60627580
Its actually

Ryzen = Good for gaming, editing

Intel = Only good for gaming if you get anything below an i7

>>60627345
The point is that if your system is unstable, it could crash at any point when presented with a high load task. 10 minutes on a stress test doesnt mean your pc will always be able to run 10 minutes without crashing.
The reason people run it for multiple hours is to minimize the chance that there is still an instability. But the chance is always there.

>>60627580
Ryzen chips trade blows with Intel in gaming, but the Intel chips still push slightly higher framerates, which btw, you'll never notice.

>>60627594
>fat skank
well, now we know what nVidia shills look like. Want another twinkie?

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>>60627450
just file the other comments to this under "no good deed goes unpunished". You posted the truth but all you get are weak insults for trying to help people. Also "not a fucking animal" made me kek. Thanks anon...gotta find a way to free up those wasted resources on my windblows machines.

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>>60627563
>but I've never heard of it before
Western Digital is a very known brand, there 1TB hard drive Caviar Blue is the most popular out of all the others.
It's a good SSD and a good brand.

If you're gonna spend $35 on fans, you might as well get 140mm ones

Looks good otherwise!

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>>60627615
Just not true though in the least bit.

In fact Intel is way better than AMD in many things that aren't gaming as well.

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>>60627459
post something useful or don't post. Weakbrained lily.

>>60627580
>Ryzen trades blows with anything Intel
Only the i5s.
They're a great value CPU but there are still a few games where i7s will completely style all over any ryzen.
ARMA3, Fallout 4, dishonoured 2, battlefield 1. And much more if you count average FPS.

>>60627671
>dicksucking your own posts

that's just sad

>>60627694
Yeah if you want to go high-end gaming then Intel is the way to go

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>>60627523
You assume too much, fanboy.

>>60627689
>i5 doing better than i7-6800K
This is a single threaded process isn't it?

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>>60627673
I recognized WD, it was this one i was refferring too, sorry
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/KTCrxr/a-data-internal-hard-drive-asp550ss3480gmc
and all righty going for two of these guys https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4GsKHx/be-quiet-case-fan-bl047
thank you for your feedback anon

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>>60627792
Adata isn't that known but it's not a random brand either, they make decent products. The reason the SSD you posted is much cheaper is because it's also much slower & has more latency than the WD & Samsung one.

I own three of these fans, and they're not that quiet when at full load (12v) so if your case doesn't have a fan controller you'll hear them quite loudly. My Fractal Design allow me to switch between 5v, 7v & 12v though so i usually let them sit at 7v which is not enough for me to hear them but enough to have a great airflow.
The Be Quiet Silent Wings are the silent ones, though i haven't experienced them yet.

Tomahawk or Gaymin 3?

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>>60627574
Cheers

>>60627888
For ryzen B350, the msi boards with the exception of the gaming pro are very good.

>>60627911
Thanks m8

Being a newfag here is tough, I don't know who to trust

>>60627940
trust the ones who give multiple alternatives or explain the good and bad of both sides and not only recommending a single company over all the rest.

>>60627745
oh, you're just dicksucking because you like it?

>>60627888
Gaming 3:

Best audio out of all b350 boards
Double bios so you can't fuck up bios updates

Low VRM quality, high vrm temperatures
None of the ryzen chips pull enough juice while overclocking, so the VRM quality doesn't actually matter you're fine anyways

Out of the b350/x370 boards, what you should be looking at is the overall build quality and features, not the vrm's. All of them have vrm's good enough to handle any overclock.

Is this HDD any good? Toshiba MQ03ABB HDD MQ03ABB200

>>60628042
There are a couple of completely worthless asus boards though.
I'd be concerned about running a stock 8core on their Prime B350

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>>60628094
What price?

>>60628110
kindly fuck off
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>>60627962
>only recommending a single company over all the rest.
You mean the current OP?

>>60628132
Not the real thread. Tired of your retard club


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>>60628141
Current OP recommends 3 Ryzen CPUs, 3 intel
Two AMD cards, 5 Nvidia cards.

>>60628156
No one gives a shit about what you want, we already told you to fuck off a few hours ago and you failed even though the thread was created earlier. Do you not understand? We don't want you and your shitty OP, so please fuck off
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>>60628156
>intel shill gets his feelings hurt
fuck off shill

>>60628141
>You mean the current OP?
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i see intel, amd and nvidia recommended there. a wouldn't trust someone who'd say buy all amd for a $1000 build. you get retards who tell you to buy a 580+1600 for that budget when you can easily get a 1070+1600 for the same budget and is way better for the money.

>>60628171
>we
You mean you and the other cute retards?

>>60628199
>i see intel, amd and nvidia recommended there
Gfx card recommendations are all AMD biased (580 for 1440p, no GTX 1050 mention)

>>60628261
The 1050 is often recommended for budget builds and not much else since the RX470/570 outperforms it for not much more.

>>60628261
>no GTX 1050 mention
I could change that if you didn't force me to fucking copypaste the current OP and make a thread fast because you keep trying to force your shitty fucking threads when we reach the bump limit

The OP has trouble getting better because of you and no one fucking else

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>>60627973
I don't associate agreeing with dicksucking. Your subconscious homosexual tendencies and fantasies appear to be interfering with your deductive reasoning.

>>60624231
>G4560 - budget builds (<$500) unless G4620/i3-7100 is heavily discounted
Add G4600. Same iGPU as 4620, just clocked 100mhz lower.

>>60628645
noted

>>60628291
I almost never post here. Do you realize how delusional you are?