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Destroy universe

Why are there so many contradictions with B350 mobos?

>people saying (brand) is shit for almost all brands
>so many inconsistencies of which support DDR4 over 2666
>so many reviews for multiple boards about DOA

I was looking at MSI since their boards seem to more frequently support up to 3200 but people have said they arrive DOA a lot or that overclocking on their boards is shit.

I finally got a job, so I wanted to build my first PC. Planning to build this in maybe a month or so. Have a budget of 1300, and just want a good gaming PC. Just want to have another pair of eyes look over it, and I'm pretty sure I made some amateur mistakes. I'm sort of worried about the wiring once I get it. Please no bully.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hmbWLD

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xvpyr7

newfag, I have no idea what Im doing
Id like to stay -$700, but dont know anything about what parts are decent and what sucks.
For example, its my understanding that intel is shit, bu I dont know what the alternative would be

>>60616117
You are overpaying for that cooler hard. You might as well get an all in one water cooling thing for 70 bucks.

>>60616117
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hmbWLD
You're going to get hit with the "Do you really want Intel?" question. Ryzen currently is the new trend as it is:
>cheaper
>has comparable performance
>more cores and runs at lower utilization percentage
>possibly more future proof as games become optimized for more cores

I would consider Ryzen if I were you but depending on what you use your computer for, your needs may vary.

>>60616117
fixed.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L6khLD
Intel doesn't support Ram faster than 2400 hz so 3000 is a waste on it. Ryzen however THRIVES with faster ram, and can support up to 3200 mhz.
Price to performance, the Ryzen 5 1600 also blows away the 7600k and the B350 chipset motherboards support overclocking (though not SLI/Crossfire. You need an X370 board for that)
Dropped to a cheaper 1070, and added an SSD for the OS with the money saved.

>>60616117
>>60616125
>i5 7600k/6500
You don't want those. i5s are shit CPUs because they have only 4 core & 4 threads, in any AAA they'll hit very very high usage leaving very little room for background softwares (read: you'll have to close everything before running a game to ensures 0 slowdowns), and most importantly they hit spikes to 100% usage pretty easily causing noticeable stutter / temporary FPS drop.

Get either a 6 cores 12 threads R5 1600 or 4 cores 8 threads R5 1500x instead, which both perform the same as both of these CPUs but with much less CPU usage, meaning much more room for background software & no spikes to 100%. Less stutter, no FPS drop.

Here are videos comparing the R5 1600 to the i5 6600k & 7600:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

And R5 1500x to i5 7500:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE

All of what i said is showcased very clearly in those videos. And all of those are on benchmark stations, meaning fresh windows install with 0 software running in the background except for MSI Afterburner. Normal usage is worse than that, for the i5s.

>>60616198
Why do people keep linking this Asus B350 mobo? I looked at the QVL for memory support and it looks like this board doesn't support over 2666 for shit. MSI has better support than this

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>>60616125
The RX 460 is a very weak card (weaker than both GTX 1050 & 1050 Ti). And even both of those are very weak for AAA gaming.
You should crack Windows 10 & go for an RX 570 instead, which is a great GPU for 1080p AAA gaming and the price/performance GPU there is at the time being.

>>60616125
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bDB8qk
fixed. I dropped windows 10 since you can pirate a version of window 8.1, make it into a bootable ISO on a flash drive, install 8.1, then take the free upgrade to Windows 10 for a legit copy of windows 10.

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Building a PC for some light gaming but with room for some occasional more recent software. Live in USA, budget can't be over $850.

My operating system is going to be Win7 which I already know how to borrow and upload to a fresh PC via USB. I guess why I'm posting is to make sure I'm cutting all of the corners I can or if I can make improvements without going above 850 that I'm not seeing. I would really like to stay with the GTX1070 but I'm unsure about my CPU.

>>60616231
>>60616198
Better yet, the RAM you linked with that Asus mobo is only supported at 2133 instead of the full 3000 according to their memory support list.

>>60616231
>>60616289
Bios update tweaking support is already in the hands of the mobo manufacturers. They just have to work it into the bios and release it as a bios update.
Also, Corsair vengeance ram has a HUGE track record of excellent compatibility with Ryzen

>>60616286
>i5
>ryzen exists

>>60616198
>Intel doesn't support Ram faster than 2400 hz
What are you talking about? Any kit will run at its advertised speed on that mobo unless it's some ridiculous shit like 4000+

>>60616305
ah see I was leaning towards that too

So, building a new PC, should I pirate Win7, Win8.1 or is Win10 actually worthwhile/not a botnet?

>inba GNU/Linux
I'm a retard.

>>60616286
cpu is more than adequate for gaming, won't bottleneck you at all. if you can afford it do yourself a favor and throw in an SSD

>>60616286
For starters, with Kaby Lake / Ryzen CPUs, you're gonna need workarounds to make them work with W7. MS are huge faggots and decided to block updates on them to force you to get Windows 10
https://github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19
And your mouse / keyboards aren't gonna work once windows starts because of lack of proper drivers
https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/125921-how-to-add-drivers-manually-to-a-usb-drive-to-install-windows-7-using-a-usb-3-0-port

>i5
Read this post: >>60616208

GTX 1070 is pretty overkill for 1080p.
What are you gonna do exactly with your PC?

>>60616318
W7 is good, Win 8.1 is quite different from 7 so will make you uncomfortable if you're used to it, W10 is in the middle but force updates and telemetry up your ass

>>60615935
>be neet
>living in poorfag country
>living at ground floor apartment have to keep all windows completely shut because of people walking by
>they're cheap poor quality and i fuck up on shutting them the last time i closed them
>wake up at 10pm like usual and put porn on computer who's tv monitor is in parallel with the window
>because it's late at night i don't realize that my window is opened so i get on with my morning schedule and i put on my open headphones and remove boxers to start getting erection for "morning fap"
>Start fapping to my usual wierd jav porn
>I can hear laughing over the sound of my open headphones
>think it might be from the video at first and feel impressed by sennheiser's audio quality
>i hear it again louder this time
>turn to the other side while lying in bed naked and see a group of teens literally pointing at me throu the window and laughing
>freeze while heart is racing and having strong ptsd of years of middle school and high school bullying all coming back
>run outside the room in horror
>get clothed and then peak throu the room's door to see if they left
>they can see me peaking and start making more fun of me
>i run off to the bathroom while shaking and crying
>i start hearing them banging on my door
>they start calling me by name after reading it in my doorbell
>i contemplate suicide for what feels like an eternity of waiting for them to leave while sitting on the bathroom floor
>there is finally silence
>slowly and quietly walk while having my ears on the walls to pick up any voices
>go to my room and swiftly close the window while super anxious and i can feel my heartbeat rising
>can't calm down, start stressfully analyzing what just happened
>realise these kids probably live in my area from the fact that there are no places near my area where teens hang out and they were probably just going to their homes near mine
>sudden terrifying realisation
cont?(postlimit)

tfw no hamster-powered turbine array for my UPS

feels bad /g/uys...

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r8 my build

>>60616361
>Intel
Go Ryzen you fucking casual.

>>60616317
Memes aside, ryzen looks pretty good, I won't be upgrading from my intel for a while because my build is from 2015 when amd was irrelevant, but if you're building now you definitely want ryzen. Gayming has been utilizing MOAR COARZ and it'll help in other software.

>>60616350
Heard Win10 has bad backwards compatibility with many older games too.
Guess I'll try Win8.1, then
Thanks

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>>60616361
nice overpriced cooler
nice overpriced motherboard
nice overpriced SSD
nice overpowered PSU

>>60616361
>1080Ti founders edition
Get rid of that fucking house fire. People have had issues with the literally exploding. and it's specific to the founders edition.

>>60616387
nice console assembly general you have here

>>60616335
>gtx1070 is overkill

I just want the option to play a few newer games sometimes but I guess it wouldn't hurt to downgrade at least one more level with the GPU. I'll adjust the CPU to one of the ones that other anon listed.

What GPU would you recommend? Also I just realized I don't have memory, need to figure out which one to add there too.

>>60616361
With that kind of budget you can probably sli that 1080 ti if you don't overspend on
motherboard/storage/psu/case so much, you can get cheaper alternatives at 0
performance cost, just loss of luxury features mostly.
Also get 2x8gb ddr4 3200+ memory which will perform better and will be more
memory than you'll ever need in the ddr4 era.

>>60616418
Don't get a 1060 like that guy is saying, the 1070 is best bang for buck with decent longevity.

>>60616418
if you downgrade from the 1070, grab an 8GB RX 480/580. The 1060 is not worth it.

>>60616208
>>60616241
>>60616269
Figured I can put a little more money in gpu, and you're right about the os. Do I really need to go higher than 500W for power? any other advice would be appreciated, thanks

>>60616479
>Do I really need to go higher than 500W for power?
Not really, 500w has room for any recent CPU & GPU combination, and overclock of both.

>>60616418
If you plan to stick on 1080p rx 570 4gb will do fine.
It has stable 60 fps on new games at mostly ultra.
Also freesync monitors are cheaper than nvidia's g-sync.
Wouldn't recommend aiming anything higher considering your budget unless you feel like spending a considerable amount for 1440p and g-sync
gaming to justify a 1070.
Also look into making a ryzen 5 1600 build, all around best budget option
for both gaming and work and is cheaper than kaby lake's i5 builds.

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>>60616422
okay how about this ?

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I'm upgrading from my dying i5 2500k is it a good build? also anybody own a DeepCool 240 EX?

>>60616516
>Intel Core i7 7700K
>Not AMD Ryzen 7 1700

>>60616307

>What are you talking about? Any kit will run at its advertised speed on that mobo unless it's some ridiculous shit like 4000+

Nope.jpg

Look at ark.intel - they only officially support upto 2400mhz for DDR4. Anything over that is technically overclocking and only validated by the mobo manufacturer - if your cpu should fail using anything above 2400mhz Intel won't cover it under warranty.

>>60616536
i would never buy an AMD processor

>>60616539
just shows how little do you know about worthwhile hardware compared to us

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>>60616539

>bentium 4 :D :D

>>60616546
still not buying anything AMD

>>60616539
Why?

>>60616539
>shill
don't expect to get any help then. AMD Ryzen kicks Intel's ass on almost every measurable front. The performance per dollar is insane. This isn't like the FX chip debacle. Ryzen is actually good. They spent the last 5 years working on it.

>>60616554
If you're not here to listen to our advices you might as well leave the thread

>>60616524
very decent

>>60616516
Founders edition is a housefire. Choose any other 1080Ti

>>60616569
i have the money to buy the best I7 and nvidia graphics card. If money was an issue i would consider AMD

>>60616496
trying again, this time with RAM. I can wait a little longer if it means adding $50 to the cost I think.

>>60616604

>buy the best I7

The best i7 is the 6950x and I don't see that on your list.

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>>60616605
forgot my picture

>>60616617
looks good to me

>>60616604
The AMD Ryzen 7 1800X outperforms the Intel i7 6900K. I just see a pleb tier 7700K on your list.

>>60616516
>Windows 10 home
>HOME
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH

>>60616604
>AMD is the budget option
Again, just shows you little do you know about hardware, and yet you have the audacity to both ask for advices & pretend to know better than us

>>60616516
I know you probably like the looks of founder edition but it's bad
just change that to something like rog strix or whatever seems best
priced that has a decent cooler.
Also consider just getting cheapest 3200 memory it's just 5$~ extra.

And if this isn't just a strictly gaming build drop i7 7700k and go for
ryzen if you're planing on multitasking/streaming/recording/rendering/video editing etc etc.

The i7 7700k is just the top gaming cpu but expect it to run at near 100% usage which means
anything you plan on running in the background is going to take away from gaming performance
(it will still be pretty high but generally ryzen is better for gaming while multitasking)

>>60616617
Looks good to me.

>>60616604
>If money was an issue i would consider AMD
Ryzen isi priced to compete with the i5 and i7 you tard but offers better performance. Holy shit you're retarded.

>>60616617
You don't need the cooler as the stock one with the 1600 is good.
Gigabyte has bad support so take that into consideration.
Ryzen has better performance with higher speed RAM. Look into getting 2x8GB at 2666 or higher if it can fit into your budget.
SSD would be major improvement.
I'm not a fan of the mini GPUs but that's probably just my bias.
Decent case if you can stand the LEDs
Modular PSU will be more clutter-free but if you can live with semi-modular, that's a good PSU

how can anyone buy AMD shit?
>>60616649
im gonna get the 1080 Ti FTW3 ICX, is that any better?

Anyone here know anything about RAM?

Like, do I buy one 16GB 2400mhz CL15 card, or two 8GB 3200mhz CL16 cards?

What are the pros and cons?

>>60616745
Two sticks can be run in dual channel mode which is faster than the single channel you get by running one stick

>>60616745
The 2x8GB 3200 will be better.
If you're motherboard is dual channel, it will be able to run the two sticks as one or separately. Having the greater speed (as long as the mobo can handle it. check qualified vendor list in support page for mobo) will work better with a Ryzen CPU.

>>60616739
>how can anyone buy AMD shit?
because it's better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbK0n5FjvhI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VvwWTQKCZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71UHFJjs3Go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83NnGQ7tC0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NCHhn0xEmo

and that's just Ryzen 5 meant to compete with the Core i5.
Here's Ryzen 7.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wJQEHNYE7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cznxigESBo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXbOC_OyvG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnA8BuTC44U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf_pUECRmAo

>>60616739
>how can anyone buy AMD shit?
Did you come here thinking it would be like your anti-amd brand war faggotry forum?
We recommend the best hardware there is for the specific usages specified. AMD tends to come up a lot, because they are the vast majority of the times the superior choice.

The only worthwile Intel CPUs are the Pentium G4600 & 7700k. Everything else, even for the $1000+ ones, is not worth at all.

And since most people that are getting a GPU are on 1080p monitor, the RX 580 has Nvidia's GTX 1060 at that (although only slightly & depends on usage)

>>60616617
oh boy... what the fuck /pcbg/
>>60616630
>>60616650
>corsair vs series
terrible psu just replace it with a seasonic bronze one
>26$ cooler
r5 1600 comes with wraith spire which is a pretty good stock cooler, don't replace it with
anything in the $30 price tier it isn't worth it.
>gigabyte gaming 3
Should be fine but i'd say go mATX and get MSI Mortar which has it's slow bios issues fixed
very recently while also supporting a wide array of high ram speeds which come into play later
>1x8gb 2400mhz ram
if you do get msi mortar go to its website and check memory qvl for supported ram at
3200mhz and get a 2x4gb at those speeds, ram speeds benefit ryzen greatly.
>hdd as main drive
At slightly higher price you can probably get a good ssd at 200gb+ just buy that and you can
add an hdd later when you run out of space
>gtx 1070
While a good card keep in mind that you won't see much difference in a 1080p display from a
rx 570 4gb which is priced at 169$ last time i checked so only get this card if you plan to get
a ~600$ g-sync 1440p monitor to make your money's worth out of that gpu.

And that's about it, good luck with your ryzen build, if you put some time and effort into it
you're getting a great rig with those improvements.

>>60616798
yeah and i want a 7700k

>>60616774
>>60616777
Okay, that's cool.
What about the CL standards, though? How much do they matter?

PSU: Corsair AX1200i 1200W
CASE: Corsair Obsidian 900D
CPU: i7 6950X 10 Cores/20T
MOBO: Asus RAMPAGE V X99
RAM: 4x16GB DDR4 CORSAIR VENGEANCE
HDD: 4x4TB WD Black
SSD: 2xSamsung 960 Pro
GPU: GTX 1080 Ti Founders 3 Way SLI

Can I get your thoughts /g/

I am looking for the best deals but I may just purchase form one retailer to avoid hassle/delays.

whats the best all in one liquid cooler?

>>60616804
Just because it's a worthwhile CPU doesn't mean it is for you. Getting a 7700k instead of other closely priced worthwhile CPUs means tradeoffs.

>>60616804
want has no correlation to need or best for the money. push you shit opinions elsewhere. AMD is good again.

>>60616817
What's the (very specific please) usage?
AMD Threadripper (10 to 16 cores CPUs) coming out pretty soon might interest you, considering how AMD doesn't put jewish prices on their CPUs.
Why the WD blacks? They have some advantage (longevity mainly) but at the cost of noise, which might become very annoying for video editing / audio editing workstations and anything that requires you to focus, really

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>>60616834
>>60616837
is AMD really good or are you meming me?

>>60616802
Not the guy you were replying to, but why mATX? I see a lot of people doing this but I've never done it myself. Doesn't mATX boards get hot having everything so condensed? And don't mATX cases get hot? Do you guys put mATX boards in mid tower cases?

>>60616864
Yes, Ryzen isn't Bulldozer, the memes don't apply anymore

>>60616864
Not a meme this time. I was considering an i5 build. Then Ryzen came out.

>>60616802
I'll probably make some more changes based on your suggestions. With Ryzen though I'll pretty much be forced to buy Win10 unless i rig the thing to use Win7 right?

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>>60616864
Why would you ask advices of people only to not trust them afterwards?
This is /pcbg/, of course we're telling you the truth

>>60616817
Don't ever get founders edition GPUs. They are the lowest tier.

>>60616864
I recently built a 1600X+B350M+1050Ti MicroATX and I am very happy

>>60616826
The top of the line corsair AIO is the H115i

>>60616888
>>60616895
>>60616878
>>60616877
alri whats the top of the line AMD CPU im now considering it

>>60616995
Why do you want the top of the line? Are you actually gonna make use of it or do you just want to throw money around?
The top of the line currently is the 8 cores 16 threads R7 1800x but is not recommended because the R7 1700 has the same specs, just lower clocks (& can't achieve higher clocks)
When their Threadripper CPU release during this summer, the top of the line will become whatever they name their 16 cores 32 threads CPU, which has (the threadripper line) a lot more PCIe lanes than their regular Ryzen line, and this will outperform even the 10 cores 6950x

What's do you do with your PC even to want the top of the line?

>>60616817
3 way SLI is a waste of money barely anyone supports it.
Other than that if you have done the research and came to the conclusion that
you're going to make full use of the cpu go for it.
Keep in mind you're just spending ridiculous amounts of money for a build that while
it looks like the best rig money can get it is absolutely terribly value for money but if
you're rich i guess have fun with it.
Also i've heard people complaining about wd black noise so if you're going for silent build
look into silent hdds.
Considering the money you're willing to throw down the drain you wouldn't like waiting
but if you're willing to wait there is threadripper coming which is a 16c/32t cpu from
amd but of course you'll have to wait for better support etc etc like always with amd.

>>60616739
Yeah that one is okay

>>60616790
Why waste time posting this when he's obviously just making high end money drain gaming pc,
ryzen still can't compete with i7 7700k on pure gaming performance if you disregard value for money
elements.

>>60616798
He didn't even start off by being anti-amd, if we are actually going to be helpful in these threads we
should just accept the fact that sometimes we'll have to help wealthy people with no budget limitations
on their i7 7700k gaming builds.

Sorry but even tho i'm making a ryzen build myself i won't just spread lies and just meme people into
buying hardware they can't even utilize properly because they're just gaming consumer-tier user.

>>60616875
Not true most mATX cases generally have good airflow also ryzen doesn't even have heat issues, you can
put a mATX board in mid tower but its stupid to buy a mid tower if you're geting mATX

>>60616880
Yeah getting ryzen to work in win7 will require some tinkering, consider win10 ltsb and just check any of the
archived threads on removing telemetry if that's the reason you're avoiding win10, also win7 lacks dx12
so if you plan on gaming for the forseeable future that might be another issue.

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I'm running a G3258 and a 750ti with 8gb ram. H81-P33 mobo.
Looking on youtubes and several forums shows that on games requiring heavy CPU usage / quad-core or hyperthreading, it should run fine.
As it is now, on testing with GTAV/PS2/Rust, I have frame drop every 10 seconds on GTA, but there is no "lag" where there would be if my GPU shit the bed.
On PS2, I can run it fine in low-player noncombat areas, and low combat areas. On high combat it "lags" where my player animations are fine, and there isn't inherent choppiness, though model animations of other players are choppy. Otherwise it runs smoothly.
On rust I occasionally receive frame drop every little while if I'm in an area with a good view of the terrain.

What's the bottleneck here? Should I overclock my CPU to 4-4.5ghz? Overclock my GPU? Or would an upgrade be better? I'm thinking depending on the overclock I could either shop for a 1050ti or an i3/hyperthreaded. If it's a ram issue I can easily bump that to 12.

Would having slightly insufficient PSU wattage to cover my rig's demand slow down performance? Iirc having insufficient wattage just either makes your PC shut itself down or overheat and ackbar.

>>60616995
>alri whats the top of the line AMD CPU im now considering it
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X

That said, AMD is releasing an enthusiast platform in Q2 (9so in a few months) under the ThreadRipper name. Threadripper CPUs wukk have 10 to 16 cores and up to 32 threads.

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>>60617038
>wukk have

>>60617030
I simply want the best and i have the money to facilitate it
>>60617038
that works out for me considering im going to build it in august, i definitely will consider it

>>60617033
Just overclock to unsafe area's for now while you save up for a real upgrade,
there's only so far this build will take you.
You can probably pull off a great rig for less than 1000$ nowadays.

>>60617056
fucking laptops and chicklet keys.

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>>60617055
Don't get too excited.

I have a gigabyte z270M, if I want to use a cable splitter on one of the fans headers to control two 3pin fans, it should work right? will they always run at max speed or are they controllable? Should I cut the speed signaling wire from one fan so the mobo isnt getting two speed signals?

>>60617032
>sometimes we'll have to help wealthy people with no budget limitations on their i7 7700k gaming builds.
I know that already, but just spending more money doesn't mean getting a better product, and at times means getting a worse one considering AMD & Intel CPUs have very different strengths.

>>60617063
I used to have an AMD build that ran everything squeaky clean, but I know some about budget gaming. What would be a viable upgrade? I'm not looking for 8000fps speeds, just a solid 60-70 for those types of games and future RPGs if they aren't dogshit.
Essentially I have ~$200 to spend on any specific part that'd help the most, and I'm not sure what it is. Normally it's the GPU bottlenecking so maybe I should overclock, and upgrade if I don't get adequate results.

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>>60617164
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 CPU ($219)
B350 chipset motherboard ($80-110)
AMD Radeon RX470/570 ($170-200) or AMD Radeon RX480/580 8GB ($220-250)

All hail our queen

>>60617164
I mean you could get a part that would be for your futue build as well like rx 570 4gb but it is bound to be bottlenecked by that cpu.
If you don't mind the trouble look into used xeons that fit your mobo on ebay that's the best you can go for right now.
Also ryzen 3 is probably going to be out by the time you have the money to upgrade anyways so maybe you can pull off a 500$ nice build for gaming.

>>60617136
Well a product is relative to each individual's use of it.
A wealthy gamer is going to have a better experience with his i7 7700k than an 8-core ryzen.

While one is a better piece of hardware the other performs better in that one thing this specific
consumer is mainly insterested in.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bRpyr7

>Tfw you originally had a 1k budget
>Tfw you had to stretch your budget by 750 because you realized that you needed an OS, headphones, mouse, keyboard, monitor and HDD

Just kill me now senpai :^)

>>60617320
>OS
daz loader
>headphones; mouse, keyboard, monitor and HDD
you don't already have that?

>>60617353
Its my first gaming PC that I'm building. I currently have a shitty laptop with one of those wireless Logitech mice that you buy at target.

Hey guys, can you recommend me a gpu that's no longer than 260mm and costs no more than 220$?
Give me a bunch of options if possible.

>>60617218
>letting a female take a leadership role in any situation
I switched to intel for a reason (^:

>>60617239
A xeon? Those trade clockspeed for cores and are used for workstation tasks primarily, iirc, and quad core i-series CPUs would handle that fine. Or am I missing something?

>>60616524
you don't need the X370 to overclock the R5 1600. get a B350 mobo (ASRock Pro4 or MSI Tomahawk)

>>60617218
(S)he looks almost as female as this other Queen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ

>>60617898
she. She was not born a man.

>>60617875
>I switched to intel for a reason
Was that because Intel's CEO has a last name that translates to "to fuck shit up"

She's a doctor of electrical engineering, and he manages to fuck up his entire companies products

>>60617917
Doesn't look that way.

>>60617875
http://www.reaxxion.com/3912/intel-proudly-announces-diversity-initiative-with-anita-sarkeesians-feminist-frequency

>>60617320
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wPfJD8
i fixed your shit up

>>60617875
>female for the sake of female
>female but has enough merit to deserve it

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Upgrading my pre-built bit by bit. Going for a budget g4560 build.

Recommended mobo for this?

>>60618135
If you can wait a month or two, I would wait to see how Ryzen 3 and the new Athlon processors stack up.

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I am buying a new monitor to make the best use of a ryzen 1800x + geforce 1080 TI combo. I'm a streamer and I'd like to get into some competitive FPS gaming. Which would be the better buy and why?

>benq XL2430 vs Acer Predator XB241H

So far I'm leaning towards the benq only because while it is only a 140hz monitor it has a lot more ports available, which makes it somewhat more flexible as a work tool than the acer... but I might just be overthinking it. What do you think /pcbg/ ?

what's a good modular psu brand?
the bronze/gold shit doesn't matter right?
550-600w range

>>60618206
what the fuck do you need more ports for
what are the price differences

>>60617926
To be frank, if someone expects any part of modern PC gaming industry-related high-up intricacies to /not/ be utterly fucking cancer then you're out of the loop.
Both Intel and AMD are equally garbage in this respect. It's par for the course for the forseeable future. Best way to go about combating it, if you were to do so, is to buy used (from third party) older gen tech. Less insane backdoors, keyloggers and other batshit crazy things that "people" like to use to fuck with the average joe. Thanks, chaim.

>>60618239
>the bronze/gold shit doesn't matter right?
it relates to the efficiency of the unit. basically draws less power from the wall. you won't notice a performance difference in anything if you get a bronze over a titanium, it's there for more peace of mind.
SeaSonic is a good brand

>>60618206

First off, you're not a streamer, you want to be a streamer. Fuck off.

Second, you're an idiot if you're getting a 1080p 144hz monitor and a 1080ti. A 1070 is more than enough, let alone a 1080, let alone a 1080ti.

Go away.

>>60618300
thanks for the info, unfortunately seasonic is inaccessible in Australia

>>60616479
You only need more than 600 watts if you're running two video cards usually. If it's just one video card and you're not over clocking a power hungry cpu, you should be fine.

>>60618157
What are the expectations on the ryzen and Athlon?

>>60618370
Athlon is expected to compete with the Pentiums. not much else is know other than Athlons are coming.
Ryzen 3 is coming to beat up on the i3's with 4 cores and an integrated Vega GPU

i have an i5 7600k processor

how long until i have to upgrade it for vidya?

>>60618460

nobody knows, probably a decade

>>60618485
>probably a decade

More like 2 year, if that.

>>60618511
lel no

>>60618514
lel yes

I5's are already struggling.

>>60618460
For 60fps?
Next console generation.

>>60618568
fug

>>60618603
It's still a while away, no need to get your panties in a twist.

>>60618698
next year isnt a while away tho :(

>>60618707
Scorpio isn't next gen, it has a slightly overclocked xbox one processor

>>60618730
also, the Xbox one processor, playstation processor, and the Nintendo Switch processor, are all made.... by AMD.

>>60618568
>>60618698
is console the dark ages of technology?
literally bottlenecking advancement in gaming

>>60618748
The switch uses an ARM processor design.
Cortex A57 specifically.

>>60618753
>implying
yall motherfuckers are inane and insane, graphics have evolved as much as sliced toast over the last 8 years
all you're doing is paying for the incompetence of developers who can't be assed to look up the word "optimize" in the dictionary

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>>60618402
Nice. I'm not gonna focus solely on gaming, so is the ryzen 3 right up my alley?

>>60618460
never, people play titanfall 2 with ivy bridge i5 and a 1070 and they have over 60fps at >1080p

>>60618832
if consoles wasn't invented, then devs don't need to optimise shit, they just have to develop it with PC gaming in mind

>>60618753
If all gaming had to be done on PC the industry probably wouldn't have as much money in it, which would make the market less appealing which could further reduce the industry.
Gaming without consoles risks an industry crash. Though I wouldn't really mind hitting the reset button on this mess, i also kind of want to see where it's going.

>>60618402
>Ryzen 3 is coming to beat up on the i3's with 4 cores and an integrated Vega GPU
Any word on the price?

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>>60618873
>if consoles wasn't invented, then devs don't need to optimise shit, they just have to develop it with PC gaming in mind
are you retarded?

>>60618889
not yet, but given Ryzen 5, and 7, you can expect it to be very competitive.

>>60616098
It*s because none of them are actually good boards. People just recommend them because they're cheap.

>>60618898
>name calling without counter-arguments

top kek

>>60618900
Actually judging by ryzen 5 and 7 I would expect only one worthwhile product and a bunch of weirdly priced other ones.
What's with the quadcore ryzen 5s anyway? the 1400 punches way below its weight and the 1500X is only barely cheaper than the 1600.

Where can I buy a 570? They seem to be out of stock everywhere.

>>60618964
You can't.

>>60618753
The bottleneck is you. You're the one buying and playing dlc and microtransaction riddled ports of console games. If you want change, buy the games you want to see more of, and ignore the rest.

Blaming the existence of consoles is childish. Both consoles and various home computers have been popular platforms for games for several decades, and they never held each other back.

>>60618460
A very long time. It can be hard to justify upgrading from sandy bridge for some people, even harder if you're using haswell era hardware. Spending on a whole new set of RAM, CPU, and motherboard doesn't make sense when you gain only a few FPS. We used to get huge improvements every year back during the 90s and early 00s. That time is long gone. Today you see CPU that are fast enough to run a game, but can't simply because they lack the latest innovative feature from intel. Like you saw recently with netflix and 4k.

>>60618964
>Where can I buy a 570?
The future.

Why is the 570 out? New super budget and/or tiny?

>>60618996
cyrptominers

>>60618996
Minerfags. At least AMD is getting money i guess.

>>60618976
>implying
the only games i've bought in the past are csgo and overwatch and i'm building a new pc exclusively just for tekken

tekken which is literally stuttering in framerates on ps4 where the majority of the market is

plus no crossplay divides the market even further

>>60619012
Mainstream cards usually dont have great profit margins, especially AMD's.
Still some profit is better than none

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>>60618976
Like the anon here said, for me my old phenom II system is still going strong. Only future upgrade I plan to do is switch to a SSD boot drive when my old WD finally dies. It handles all my needs perfectly.

>>60619039
You know its funny, with how much AMD cards miners buy. You'd think AMD would be earning some money, but they seem to actually be losing revenue every year. I wonder if its because of the FX cpus.

>>60619080
It's because they were spending more money than they made on the development of Ryzen and Vega.

Wi-Fi USB adapters

or

Wi-Fi pci-e cards?

>>60619115
pci-e cards

>>60619115
>not routing it straight from the wall

baka

>>60619080
Various reasons.
Research expenses alone eat up over a quarter of AMD's revenue but them not having any high end solution for the last, i dunno how many years in either graphics or especially processors means they had no cash cow and were giving up the top spot to a rival.
Making affordable products is all well and good but when your margins are lower for those products than your competitor's and your product isn't really conclusively better or actually worse you're going to get reamed in the wallet for it.

>>60618984
So I'm confused. Have they not been released yet or are they out of stock due to cryptominers?

>>60618934
What arguments are there to present here? You still need to optimize games even if they're specifically made for PC, you don't magically lose FPS because you now think "oh yeah lets only make it for the PC"

>>60619184
The latter.

>>60619189
name 1 game that is unoptimised for the consoles brother

>>60619184
The second one.
The stock will come back eventually, at the very least when vega comes out and the faggot miners move on to sucking up all those cards' stock.

>>60619216
If i wanted one now (all I need left to buy is a gpu and case) should I try to wait or just buy a 1060?

>>60619260
just wait.

>>60619260
I'd wait, also for 470 prices all you can get is the 3GB 1060s and those are gay.

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Ebay SSDs. Consistently good enough to trust them or am I better off paying high prices for new ones?

>>60615804
B

>>60619416
AHA HES DONE IT I CAN POST AGAIN THE YEAR BAN IS GONE

>>60619404
chinkshit is that way brother

>>60619431
A WHOLE YEAR OF WAITING

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apart from telling me to buy ryzen
are these parts alright?
i'm getting corsair vengeance lpx 16gb ram
and samsung evo 250g ssd

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>>60619568
>gamer power supply

>>60619568
have u considered cryorig h7

idk if that psu is good but consider corsair rmx or evga g2/g3

>>60619568
g.skill might be better

>>60619568
>Gamer power supply
>Intel

>>60619601
it has alright reviews, what would you suggest?
australia has a very limited choice in power supplies

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>>60619601
Where do I go to get gamer power strips?

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>>60619632
same place you get gamer food

>>60619608
i really wanted the h7 but only one retailer has it and i don't want to pay shipping for one item

those power supplies worth forking out an extra 30-40 bucks?
>>60619616
how so?

>>60619666
oh, i didn't realize you weren't on usd

yeah i dunno, just look up reviews for the psu

>>60619628
>it has alright reviews
it has a 16% 1 star record on amazon, that's pretty crap for a powersupply.
Even if you cant order from them, amazon is pretty useful for power supplies and hard drives to get a ballpark figure for how chink shit they are.

>>60619682
>>60619805
alright i'm reassessing my psu choice, i've spent 1.6k already, an extra 40-50 wouldn't hurt

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Qk2pLD

Is there anything I should change on this build?

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>mfw magically after ryzen came out /g/ is telling me the 6700k and its refresh will always be reaching 100% usage if I dare open another program while trying to play a game
>mfw this has never happened and will not for another 4 years

>>60619933
You dont need to spend more, just get a corsair builder or some shit, those at least seem to have less DOAs than the antec.

>>60619940
higher hz on the ram

>>60619940
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZZywJV

>>60620170
>>60620196
Thanks.

>>60615804
RX 480 or GTX 770?

>>60620645
Definitely the 770.
You should even spend more on it than a normal 480 since the 480s are out of stock.

>>60616361
corelet/10

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>>60616539
good goy

>>60615804
I can use udimm ram usually in all modern mobos, can I?

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I want to upgrade my PC eventually, but I'm not sure where to put my focus or which components are best for what I use my computer for.

Purpose: Gaming / Productivity
Budget: Hard to say, I'm in the middle of jobs right now. I spent ~$1000 on this PC in 2014, I'm not really looking to spend as much this time around (only want to replace what's necessary)
Games I play often: It's mainly been Dota 2, but I'm growing a bit disenfranchised with it lately. Would love to get more into emulation but I'm REALLY jonesing to play Nier:A.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

pic related

>>60621061
Also: I don't care about 4k, solid frames is most important to me. Thanks again

>>60621061
Just overclock the CPU and throw a 1060 6GB in it and that will probably clear up any gaming performance issues you've been having.
A used 970 is fine too if you can find a good deal.
Trying to do anymore right now would require a near complete overhaul and you wouldn't get much extra performance out of it.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KG9sr7
Budget $1200

Purpose:
Entertainment system, plan to pay Video games and watch movies on it. Hope to save up a bit more to add a Blur ray disc drive to play some of my family's discs.

Software:
Overwatch (Atleast medium)
SFM
Twitch
VCL
& Fallout 4

>>60621061
The only upgrade really worth it would be getting a 1080p high refresh rate freesync monitor alongside an rx 580. Also you could crank out some moar hurtz on your CPU depending on how good your current cooler is.

>it's 2017 and the shitty old technology that is LCD is STILL around

Make it stop. Make it go away.

>>60621163
>Overwatch
Do not play on medium, low is better. Any lighting effects make the game worse, especially on the first point of gibraltar. Also if you're serious about it at least invest in a 144hz monitor.

>i5
nah mate ryzen 1600 is what you should be getting

>gtx 1070
Only if you get a high refresh rate monitor will this be worth it. Also consider freesync and an rx 580 that is if you really dislike screen tearing.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tT67Fd
something like this. 1600 comes with a solid cooler. 3200 Mhz ram because its better for ryzen. Consider saving more for an SSD as a boot drive. Also long ass ethernet > pci-e wifi adapter.

>>60621300
All of that advice was shit

>>60621163
You don't need a 1200 dollar computer to play fucking Overwatch and use SFM, you damned retard.
You might as well go buy a mac notebook

>>60621327
explain why then?

>>60621335
Well the OP said Software you use regularly. My laptop is kinda bad and won't even load Battlenet anymore.

>>60620819
>synthetics are only bad when the other side uses them!

>>60621335
Alright then smart ass build an Overwatch computer for less.

>Fractal Design Define Mini C Silent
>MSI B350M Mortar Arctic
>Ryzen 5 1600
>Noctua NH-D15 SE-AM4
>Zotac 1080 Ti AMP Extreme
>G.Skill Ripjaws V 16GB (2x8) 3200
>ADATA SU800 512GB
>Toshiba X300 5TB
>EVGA SuperNOVA 650 G3
>probably a couple Noctua case fans as well

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been building it out slowly over the years, here's the current state, just got her stable at 4.2ghz yesterday too

Do we know anything about the integrated Vega GPU? How good will they be compared to Intel's HD 600s?

What's with all these braindead intel shills and their shitty i3/i5 shilling

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r8 my freshly assembled pc /g/

>inb4 muh cables

>>60621965
come on man at least try to have some cable management

>>60621163
>$1200 for 4 threads
what

>>60621965
I did my best. The cables on my PSU for some reason are stiff as fuck and hard to manage

>>60622094
meant for >>60621975

>>60621547
your motherboard is about to explode

>>60621547
Is that the processor with L4 cache?

>>60619137
Any recommended wifi cards?

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>>60619654

>>60621429

Its why CPU-Z had to re-write their benchmark because ryzen is really, really fucking good at it and they got butthurt over this fact.

I'm waiting for new APUs to come out, but does anyone have experience using Stracom's ITX cases?

I'm really leaning towards going for the F1C Evo

First time builder

>some programming
>every day stuff
>blizzshit gaming
>civ 5 gaming
>budget around 700 euros

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/NrDpLD

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JgBsr7

ordered all my shit f a m

thots??

i7-7700k
1080Ti Asus Strix
16 GB ram
H270
Seasonic 660
P400

Anything wrong with this build before I pull the trigger?

>>60623121
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tvjPd6
If anyone wants PCpartpicker list

>>60623087
>450w psu

nigga what. i hope you don't plan on overclocking.

>>60623151
>>60623121

Tempered glass is a bad meme your case will be heavy as fuck and shatter. hyper 212 is ass, get the Cryorig h7 at least. z270 boards are better AFAIK.

>>60623121
pick a z270 mobo you dumb shit. also you need a cpu cooler. make sure the ram is at least 3000mhz.

>>60623087
all good but holy shit 20$ power supply on 1500$ budget? are you actually retarded?

>>60623047
get faster ram in dual channel (2x4gb).

>>60623187
He's purposely getting 1 stick so he can get another later as a quick and easy upgrade.

>>60623187
>make sure the ram is at least 3000mhz.
Why

>>60623186
>Tempered glass is a bad meme your case will be heavy as fuck and shatter
But I love these aesthetics

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tNzbzM
This is good?

>>60623187
>get faster ram in dual channel (2x4gb).
I plan to upgrade to 16gb dual channel if needed.

>>60623203
the asrock pro4 has 4 dimm slots. there's no reason to go with 1x8gb unless he wants to upgrade to 32gb in the future (he will never need 32gb)
read the op
>1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs

>>60623212
the Z270-A is better at overclocking I think.

>>60623222
and 4 dimms are more expensive than 2

>>60623230
I don't plan to overclock too much since the 7700k has issues with heat. As for why I am getting Intel, I emulate a lot of shit and intel processors somehow are always better in my experience.

>>60623212
also are you aware your video card is technically too big for the case in its default configuration?

>>60623235
no they aren't??? are you retarded

>>60623250
Yes. I have 2 3.5 and 2 SSD. The p400 comes with 2 baydrives at the bottom and 2 SSD brackets at the back. It will be an issue if I want to install water cooling or more bay drives which I am not going to.

>>60623187
>>60623163

guys i was just pretending to be retarded

>>60623340
>still sweaty from panic calling the retailer to change the PSU order

heh

Daily reminder to clean your pc! I went from jet engine to dead sea with one easy technique you can do right now!. Only noise coming from my pc is the hdd, man i regret getting a wd black. things louder than loud compared to my blue and 2.5" hdd

>>60623360
How clean is clean?

Open the side casing and compress air the shit out of it?
Tear apart completely to dust and clean?

>>60623340
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BCwGYr

see it was a joke

>>60623377
id say clean with air. I just purchased a $30 air compressor and went at it for a bit. It got rid of most dust but i used a cloth for large surface areas. Also i think it helps that ive layed my tower on its side now, maybe the fans ave less strain on tem or someting. The hard drives are fine with it too.

>>60623411
Use compressor air can instead of an air compressor. Compressor air is "clean" but an air compressor uses the surrounding air which might have dirt/dust present and sends it at high speed into your system which might cause static. It isn't common but I have seen it wreck 1 or 2 PCs in my time working at a PC store before.

Reminder that AMD doesn't use real cores, and for Ryzen they're not even using "real and complete" CPUs aka two complexes in one, which means the less expensive CPU you get the shittier it exponentially gets.
If AMD was using real cores then their Ryzen 7 would be twice or at least 1.8 times as good as a 7700k but this isn't the case, worse the 7700k is still ahead in most scenarios. Do something great and don't buy fake cores, it'll only incite them making even more fake cores for Ryzen 2. And please learn to discern a shill, /g/ is full AMD shills, just ignore them and buy yourself a real processor.

Speaking of shills the fact that the 7700k has bad temps is a bad meme. It doesn't really have bad temps, it's only because it's clocked so high the sensors are mistakenly predicting high temperatures. When I play BF1 I can see my 7700k being around 50-60°C and sometimes it randomly spikes to 65+/70 for a second or so, it's just fake reading, the CPU itself doesn't actually jump 10 or more degrees higher for no reason. Hope I helped.

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Fuck me up senpai.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/8pXxPs

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So I was cleaning my PC when I saw that this little piece of rubber on my Corsair Hydro 60 was torn, is the thing still safe to use?

is the msi b350 carbon the best b350 buy?
it's quite expensive desu but then it has the alc1220 and intel lan rather than crappy realtek

the b350-f from asus doesn't even have a single ps/2 so into the bin it goes

or is it not worth it and you should get some x370 instead (with the alc1220 still)
which would be considerably more expensive

>>60623477
>Gaming motherboard
Please don't waste money.

And if you want to get W10 OEM, get them from gray sites, they are so much cheaper.

>>60623477
Go 3200mhz for the RAM, or at least 3000.
Don't buy Windows. Get it for free from Microsoft using an USB key.

Tell us why you're going 1070 and we'll tell you whether it's a good idea or not.

>>60623485
Buy heat shrink and fix it yourself. That is like a 5 dollar fix. Would be safe to use after you fix it.

>>60623513
Why 3200 or 3000 MHZ ram?
Everywhere I checked they say there is literally no difference between 2400 Mhz ram and upwards. Even 1600 DDR3 ram isn't much different from DDR4 ram.

>>60623477
get a non volcanic cpu and dont waste money on the cooler you can get a 1080ti for $880 rn is australia so if you saved money from those two things, got a non gamer motherboard you could get a 1080ti instead. Also dontbuy windows from a shop, buy it from a keyseller

>>60623503
The z270-e is a really solid board and overclocker though, what's wrong?

>>60623535
z270-A is better and cheaper

>>60623519
>Everywhere
I doubt it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ-JCwgbxGI
First video I found in 10sec countering your point.

>>60623592
Difference seems really minimal for the difference in price which could mean a better case or stuff that could serve you better. But if you have money to spend, sure.

>>60623568
>better
In what way other than price? Far as I know they're the same but the E has 3.1 header, Wifi and bluetooth on board.

>>60623634
>wifi and bluetooth

>>60623631
I don't see 10 to 20 FPS increase as "minimal" considering 3200mhz RAM is often roughly the same price as 2133. But whatever buy what makes you happy.

>>60623646
>doesn't say anything that shows that is better

it may be a better deal but that doesn't make it a better board.

>>60623650
Only in the most extreme of scenarios is that going to be the case which is why they are using i7-7700k and 1080ti. Most of the time the bottleneck will be your GPU and CPU first before your RAM.

>>60623516
I'm sorry, I'm retarded, do you know what kind I should get?

>>60623666
Wow you're such a faggot. I'm done now.

>>60623668
Corsair brand for the best compatibility.

>>60623668
Measure the diameter
Go to home depot or whatever is the equivalent in your country
Get heat shrink
https://www.cableorganizer.com/learning-center/how-to/how-to-use-heat-shrink-tubing.htm
Done

>>60622146
The 5775C yeah had ECC L4.

It was fast compared to other CPUs on DDR3. But newer CPUs with DDR4 are almost always faster.
Arguably the last 4c/8t CPU from Intel worth buying.

>>60623121
>paying all that extra for an unlocked CPU
>limiting it with 2400MHz RAM
>underpowered cooler than can't tame the housefire
This is pretty bad.

>>60623485
Any warranty left?

>>60623659
The Z270 series are extremely similar the only difference is the extra features they add on. Get what you need, if you need built in wifi and bluetooth get the E then. Don't get extra shit that you don't need. I like the A cause it is minimal and has everything I need.

>>60623693
>paying all that extra for an unlocked CPU
The difference between K and non-k is like 10 bucks.

It should still be under warranted, but I'm not home and I don't have the box with all the papers and stuff. I won't go back until next month.

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I finally did some overclocking on my new system. The specs are

Ryzen r5 1600 @ 3.6 GHz with stock cooler
rx 580
Asus B350-PLUS
16 gigs of RAM @ 2933 MHz
Samsung 960 nvme ssd

This is my first build and my first attempt at OC. How did I do? Do you think temps and core voltages are ok? Can I push it to 3.8 with stock cooler?

Also got 1183 at cinebench.

>>60623852
should have got a 1070 desu. no better pairing with the 1600 than that.

>>60623897
Too expensive

>>60623901
how much did the whole thing cost? please tell me you didn't spend a thousand bucks on a pc to only get a weak ass gpu like that

>>60623937
About 1000 eurobux, same system costs around 800-900 in US I think. Got the 580 for 290, 1070's go for 450 here.

>>60623897
>>60623937
samefag
rx580 is a great card for 1080p. not to mention freesync support.

>>60623852
960 nvme is a meme. you could've gotten mx300 sata cheaper and you wouldn't notice difference.
try overclocking it. the stock cooler is good enough for 3.9 but it depends on a chip

>>60623953
>450

i'm a fellow euro and i got a 1070 for 350 euro in december. the cheapest ones right now are only 20 euro more than that.

>>60623968
Meh, got the 960 for 126 euros, 250 gig SATA ssd's are only 30 euros cheaper, I am willing to pay that much for speed and no extra cables.

>>60623972
MSI gayming 1070 is 450 here. The absolute shittiest reference 1070's go for 400. My 580 is MSI gayman as well.

>>60623968
fuck off with this freesync meme. it's dead. variable refresh in general is dead. only until tv's come with variable refresh will it be relevant. you're not going to tell me that a 23" TN 1080p 100 hz monitor is superior to a big screen 32" LED/IPS 60hz monitor now are you?

>>60624012
nope.
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-Palit-GeForce-GTX-1070-Dual-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1113972.html

>>60624012
mx300 500gb is 150€. cheaper on a sale. you fell for the samsung meme. im sorry

>>60623972
>>60623937
Also, I have only one 1080p, 60hz monitor so a 1070 makes no sense. I was kinda hesitant on buying a 580 in the first place, could have done with 570 since I don't do all that much high end gaymen. Just want a PC that I won't need to upgrade for at least 5 years

>>60624025
Not german, fuck off.

>>60624033
Yeah, in hindsight it was not really necessary but who cares, it's only 30 euros.

Ok, I fell for the 7700K meme, and the whole housefire thing wasn't a joke.
It idles at 35-40°C but peaked at 87°C during some gaymen at base clock speed while the GPU barely reached 70°C.
I guess the Noctua NH-U9S didn't cut it, I have a small case, air cooling was a mistake.
Recommend me a good but compact liquid CPU cooler.

>>60624060
why would you even think you need a $400 cpu? Thats worse than my fx8350. Yes i get the performance is a little lower but its 32nm vs 14nm ffs

>>60624046
>Just want a PC that I won't need to upgrade for at least 5 years
>he wanted a 570
>he got a 580

can't tell if legitimately retarded or trolling. not even flagship $600+ gpu's like the 7970 from 5 years ago play everything at 60 fps unless it's at dogshite settings, and even then it struggles in most games. if you think a mainstream $200 gpu will last that long you should have probably stuck to a ps4.

>>60624070
>7700k is worse than fx8350
What the fuck are you smoking nigger?

>>60624060
If an NH-U9S doesn't cut it, a liquid cooler isn't gonna improve much.
Try to get a 240mm AIO because 120mm (compact ones) will very close temperatures to your NH-U9S.

>>60624076
>m-muh gaymen fps
I'm not a gaymer kid so I don't play new shit all that much and I don't care about ultra settings and I don't plan on any 4k or 120Hz memes, kill yourself you retarded marketer.

>>60624025
wow you're actually retarded.

>>60624060
delid it anon :^))

>>60624080
youre reading it wrong, im saying the 8350 performs worse, as to be expected of a hell old cpu, yet even though it has a high clockrate, 130w , 32nm it still runs cooler. Either way the 7700k is a shit processor that serves the purpose of parting fools from their money, nothing else

>>60624089
He has a small case, and the exhaust from the radiator of a liquid cooler will exhaust directly from the case

>>60624060
Cut down on your voltage / OC a little

>>60624070
Literal retard. I have a 6350 and it's pretty good but I wouldn't put it much past a modern i3

>>60624093
>I don't plan on any 4k or 120Hz memes

at least you didn't fall for the free(jew)sync meme.

>>60624106
It's kinda obsolete now but it still has its uses, what if someone absolutely needs the best single core performance they can get?

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>>60624089

The NH-U9S is only rated for 140w TDP at best - bigger coolers (like the D15, R1 ultimate, silver arrow and whatnot) are rated for 250w+. There is a reason why AIOs are a meme as by the time they get big enough to vastly outperform big air you are in custom loop territory where the rads are thicker, pumps more powerful etc etc.

>>60624132
Of all the people that have come here and in other hardware forums i've seen only one guy actually needing that, because he was running very old software that used only one thread

>>60624123
talking about temps!! literal literal!

>>60624132
xeon
doesnt the 1800x get better single thread in almost every non propietary test (cpmile times especially). Also the 6950x has better signel thread does it not? I cant really think of a time youd absolutely need single thread and couldnt parallel the task

>>60624144
Unfortunately he has a small case so he can't have a big air cooler in there, nor big AIOs

>>60624145
On an unrelated note, how do you know which software handles multithread more efficiently?

>>60624159
You monitor CPU usage
When i'm doing an encoding using premiere pro, my CPU usage jumps to 75 - 85% and i can see all of my 16 threads jumping to over 50% usage suddenly so i know that it spreads the load there
When i'm playing a game, says Styx, i can see 8 threads at 15 - 25%, with the rest at 0 to 5%, and the 8 threads at 15 - 25 drop to 0 - 5 when i close the game, so i know it uses just 8 threads
etc etc

>>60624125
>the free open standard technology that makes 0 difference in monitor prices (as opposed to 150$ more expensive g-sync) is now considered jewing
i want /v/ to leave

>>60624156

Then you go for option B - slapping a monster fan on the cooler like those san ace and delta fans that WILL cool anything at the cost of your hearing.

>>60624177
No I mean before you buy a CPU, like you have to choose between 4c/4t or 6c/12t or 8c/16t and you use a specific set of software (vivado, ise, matlab and python for me for example). Is it just google-fu?

>>60624186
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSllkFWVhJI
holy shit

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>>60624205
>>60624205
>>60624205

>>60624159
you need to know the task and how well you could split it, Think of it in simple terms and how well 2 people could perform on that task compared to 1. having two people kneeding the same dough wouldnt work but having them make two seperate doughs and kneed them, or having stations could work better.

In actually knowing, any program from before 2003 or so will not use multiple cores depending how its written and compiled.

>>60624208

You haven't seen shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN4e_2r8fo4

>>60624215
Fuck off.

>>60624231
>>60624231
>>60624231
Actual thread.

>>60624185
hello marketer! yes, it's always better to buy a shitty panel with shit colors and screensize as opposed to a high quality panel with accurate and deep colors, with a bigger screen size for the same price amirite? 100fps is everything amirite?

>>60624123
DELET THIS

>>60624123
But it's already at stock clock speed, I didn't buy a K CPU to underclock, what the fuck?

>>60624144
I have a bitfenix prodigy M. I can fit 2 120mm fans, but they will probably take all the space from the GPU.
This is really fucked up. My 3750K at 4.5 rarely went above 70°C. Now I sometimes get those temps while doing fucking nothing.

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>>60624215
>>60624215
This is the real thread. It was posted first.

Only people who disagree with this are the resident retards who populate /pcbg/

>>60624291
Nice try retard, just because it was posted first doesn't mean it's the actual thread
We always create the thread very late, when at page 8 or 9, but you just went and waited for bump limit to steal the spotlight and include the OP everyone disagrees with
Fuck off, actual thread:
>>60624231
>>60624231
>>60624231

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>>60624205
>>60624205
>>60624205

>>60624231
>>60624231
>>60624231
Actual real thread with actual information in the OP

>>60624315
If by "everyone," you mean people of low intelligence such as yourself, you are correct.

There are no valid criticisms of my OP, shithead.

just copy and paste all the extra info from the 2nd thread OP into the first thread and be done.

>>60624360
And let it put his own fucking pcpartpicker links that only he can edit?
No. Ignore his thread and go here instead: >>60624231

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>>60624205
>>60624205
>>60624205

Real thread, with an OP made as a collective effort instead of one person having the hold of all the informations it contains:
>>60624231

>>60624378
>And let it put his own fucking pcpartpicker links that only he can edit?
If the current OP wasn't Ayymd retarded (580 for 1440p, no mention of the GTX1050, etc) and contained a few suggested builds I wouldn't even bother starting the OP. But while shitheads like you can't put together a good OP with the combined effort of your inferior minds, I'll drop a superior OP once in a while.

>>60624417
>superior op
>he recommends g4560 with z270.
you're actually retarded

>>60624427
Some people will want to upgrade to an unlocked CPU later, shithead. That's one of the benefits of PC: you can upgrade.

>>60624417
The vast majority of the mistakes it had have been fixed and correctional edits are still made every few threads
This is miles better than you trying to force your opinions on us, whatever they may be

My PC isn't detecting my GPU. Wat do?

>>60624548
Is it in the slot all the way in? Did you plug the power connector to it? Is it getting power? Did you plug the display cable into the GPU instead of the motherboard?

>>60624438
>upgrade later
the only upgrade that's worth from g4560 will be 7700k since it's a dead socket. and the i7 will stay the same price (4790k used is still 300$). that build is retarded and so are you.
then you have 1500x everywhere and no sight of 1600 which is widely accepted as best pick for r5 cpu. other things:
- the same fucking shit psu in every build (even in 1500$ budget).
- only 240gb ssd in all of the builds
- recommending 2tb hgst for unreasonable price. protip: blueblaze stats mean nothing for a normal customer.
- shit latency ram in top end builds
- cancer ssd pick in every build (su800 exists)
- FUCKING 212 EVO on 1500$ budget in 2017.
- bad pick for z270
you're absolutely delusional. you think your builds are the best when in reality you fucked up every possible pick. go fucking educate yourself and come back when you're not an absolute autist.

>>60624582
>1500x everywhere and no sight of 1600
Why is everyone too stupid to click links? I suggest the 1600 in every Ryzen build.

>only 240gb ssd in all of the builds
>cancer ssd pick in every build (su800 exists)
It's a baseline. One of the best value SSDs

>recommending 2tb hgst
They're the best. Get over it.

>shit latency ram in top end builds
Doesn't matter. It's CAS 14 vs CAS 15 or something minor

>FUCKING 212 EVO
Cheap and effective

>bad pick for z270
Obviously that board isn't for insane OC. Nothing wrong with it

>the same fucking shit psu in every build
No one multiGPUs these days. PSU has a good warranty with a Bronze rating

>>60624582
>protip: blueblaze stats mean nothing for a normal customer.
False. As a "normal customer" the Seagate 1.5TB drives still had a 25% failure rate. Mine failed within days