Audiophile companies are scammers

I'm glad you finally found out

>>60612548
Are you fucking stupid? Have any idea how much does it cost to build that contraption and how many will be sold? 250k is sure high as hell, but it's not completely absurd for a company to set such a price for such a product.

It probably won't be worth the money anyway tho, and audiophools that buy them believing in some pseudo technical mumbo-jumbo properties of those speakers are inbred monkeys with too much money in their pockets.

>>60612548
I love shit like this, it's like economic darwinism.

>>60612548
It's cool looking, wonder how it sounds. Wish I made the kind of money where I could go shopping for $250k speakers. lol

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Not all audiophile is a complete scam, but most ain't cheap.
The older FBP series could deliver something like 288amps per channel. Not sure what the Evolution 1's can do but they sure are pretty.

>>60614486
>Have any idea how much does it cost to build that contraption
Bout $20 in materials. All the rest is unnecessary labor.

Real audiophiles deafen themselves and experience soundscapes through their fingertips. Anything less is a dilution of the full event.

>>60612548
God construction of the speakers themselves looks so shitty.

Just glue shit onto here, pack it full of foam, bodgy soldering.

Everything else on the speaker stand looks nicely presented, the speakers themselves look like a DIY project.

>>60616247
Nah, be fair. Like $150 material and like 40 man hours. It's boutique remember.

Having said that I would hate to be the guy assembling these, getting paid a modest wage only to have what took you no more than a week to make be sold for more than you could earn in a few years.

>>60612548
Plenty of scams in audio industry but that's not one. Just ridiculous pricing for a product which does exactly what it's supposed to.

>>60616415
>Plenty of scams in audio industry but that's not one.
>Just ridiculous pricing for a product which does exactly what it's supposed to.
>that's not one
>Just ridiculous pricing

>>60616218
Pretty tacky looking

>>60614486
>Are you fucking stupid?
>completely confirm his point in the next line

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>>60618149
Looks awesome to me. Dual monoblocks with separate power supplies in aluminum cases, just gorgeous. Perfect amplifiers too; 450w into 8 ohms, 900 into 4 and 1800 into 2.
Your mid-fi can't do that. Look at the specs for these bad boys. How heavy too to drive that much power. World class.

>>60618438
>World class.

where in the world would you need that kind of power? Don't get me wrong, I'm impressed, but ffs it's like having SPL automotive competition-class power in your home.

>say goodbye to every window the moment you turn it up.

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>>60612548
They're supplying a demand.

>>60618554

>bioshock

what the fuck went wrong?

>>60612548
This speaker design makes me want to kill myself.

>>60618438
The casing looks good. The speakers themselves look tacky as fuck.

The dark foam is just sheets of cheap shit glued to the aluminium strips which are just slotted into the top parts.
Gaskets are just glued straight to the aluminium strips.
The copper rods are just glued into holes in the aluminium.
They just stuff wool into the center.
The soldering is just reflow.

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>>60618533
Rich people man.
The power is handy when say there's a double bass drum or very power music, like a canon shot. You want lots of power for that so the amplifier doesn't clip.
My stereo is <1w a channel, lol

>>60618438
>standby power consumption 225W

>>60618618
I want the watt/puppy's, now that they are discontinued they can be had for $6-8k or so, reasonable compared to the 25k when new.

>>60618647
Ya and 3600watts max each. lol That's 60amps at 120V or 4 circuits normally.
I can still dream though.

>>60612548
>No thread locking compound for a large subwoofer

>>60616247
The brass alone is worth more than that

>>60618618
Speakers look beautiful but I thought the same thing for the materials too. Rest looked high end and the design is really something. Love to hear them but unless I win the powerball, never going to happen.

>>60618850

they are using analogue crossovers... and not hexamped digital....

>DROPPPED

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>+$500000

ayy

>>60618554
What demand? That one rich guy that wipes his brow with hundreds?

>>60618961
That's all the demand you need.

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>bought our shit goys!

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>c'mom, that's not a lot of sheekels

>>60619003
If you're retarded I guess

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>the design is the key

>>60619049
>make a successful business scamming dumb rich people
Sounds like a win to me.

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>2 tweeters? what's you need is 100 tweeters

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>raise your cables, bought our raisers, they are very cheap goys

>>60619081
My inner poorfag is triggered knowing people can afford this shit, and I'm struggling with a dead end job to make ends meat. I haven't been able to afford any thing hobby related at all for over two years now.

Post sexy HiFi equipment please.

>>60619153
Welcome to the club. Now add on a mortgage, condo fees and no education yet I need to make $75k/yr to elevate myself to poorfag.
I used to 'help' these kinds of rich people but they never helped me.

>>60619200
$32k here, must be nice owning your own home.

>>60619231
I doubt I get to keep it. Frantically looking for work and applying for school before the money runs out. Right now, it's pure stress and my home costs $3500/mo to keep and it's value has dropped considerably where I live so even if I sell I'll still owe more than $100k with nothing to show. So fun times.

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>>60618961
>>60619049
He is right, it's all about demand

>>60619377
I remember looking at 99.999% silver interconnects with teflon dielectric, $200 for like 1/2 meter lengths. Did some digging in the 90's and found the company that made the wire itself, no ends. Would sell me 100ft of it for about $200. Buy nice gold ends, $50 and take it to a jeweler to solder with silver, $20. Ta da!

>>60619382
is that a fucking wood woofer?

>>60619112
I can't imagine 100 tweeters being any good with how waves interact

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>>60618927
>drops 500k on speakers
>still uses tape instead of .flac

wtf

>>60619275
I want to try one of those test systems and play some weeb shit on it.

>>60616412
>material and man hours
There's more than just material and assembly involved in production.
You have to consider the costs of the machining time for all of the metal and wood parts, and someone has to epoxy together and finish all that wood.
Pretty much everything except for the tiny screws, bolts, and wires look like they were fabricated on-site, and by the looks of it, it's basically a fully equipped machine shop.
That's easily over 100 man hours on this thing.

>>60619377
I bet this isn't even rated for 10Gbit.

>>60619504
It's probably 20bit digital tape or he's an analogue purist using studio gear.
Hard core audiophiles still rock turntables. Good turntable needs can set you back over $1000. There's even an audiophile laser turntable that's still all analogue for audio reproduction but doesn't touch the vinyl. Those used to be $20000.

>>60619548
>turntable needs
turntable needles

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>>60619377
You laugh you lose.

>>60619480
I think it's passive

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>>60619567
what did they mean by this?

>>60619567
It actually works. Has to do with delaying or handling high frequencies I believe. Low frequencies travel inside the wire, high frequencies outside.
Another way is to lean the speaker back, which is why you'll see speakers with the tweeter further away from the listener than the mid or bass drivers.
I bought some high end speaker wire (low end of the high end). Was like $500 for a pair, and yes it did make a difference but I didn't believe it until I tried it and a couple others.
Now I use solid core copper coated in silver for those high frequencies. Poor man's alternative but you can hear a difference, though not huge over say 12ga stranded speaker wire.

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>>60619377
>>60619567
>audiophile ethernet cable

>>60619626
>Low frequencies travel inside the wire, high frequencies outside.
wew

>>60619640
That is actually true...
>>60619626
...but not for fucking digital Ethernet

>>60619640
not him but that true for high impedance cable

>>60619652
>>60619661
You mean on the edge of the wire. Not on the "outside."

>>60619618
It's a lie. It is a complete lie that tries to support a "feature" their cables have.

Electricity doesn't care what direction it travels down a wire. It makes zero difference. Especially seeing it is DIGITAL and not analog.

The 1s and 0s aren't going to give a shit and it will have zero impact on the quality of the audio as it won't affect the digital to analog conversion in any way.

It is literally just little painted arrows on the cable boots.

>>60619652
Yup, once you go digital it's completely pointless. All that matters is how much bandwidth the cable can handle. Only matters in the analogue world for many reasons, interference being another, hence XLR inputs.

Are those cables for ethernet, like 802.3 shit? I figured perhaps high end gear just uses RJ45 now for interconnects and not RCA.

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>>60619676
Yes, outside but this shit have nothing to do with the audiophile world. Thats why people are fooled.

>>60619567
I lost, fuck

>>60619142
Looks nice tho

>>60619706
http://www.audioquest.com/ethernet/diamond
They're literally Cat 7 Ethernet.

In the directionality paragraph they talk about connections from NAS to Router, Router to Network Audio Player, so we are definitely talking digital here.

>>60619738
>invite qt over to listen to some music
>she walks over and sits in one of your speakers

>>60619760
do they have hi-fi mobos, CPUs and HD/SSDs also?

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>>60619760
>if we add more capacitors it will make the music sound better!

$8995

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adTecwbWwNI

how is it any different than people spending $5000 on their computers when all they do is go on 4chan and play Minecraft? sure, you can justify the 7700k and the 1080, but what about the $1000 custom water loops or the $300 RGB strips? $1000 cases, custom sleeved cables for pure aesthetics?

what does it matter to you what someone else does with their money?

>>60619799
Difference is that most people know adding 300$ of rgb lights to their PC is just for looks, and if you have the technical know how to do a custom very pretty loop, you also know you're paying for appearances- a *ton* of audiophiles buy because they legitimately believe adding witchcraft to their system will make it sound better,

Fools and their money are soon parted.

>>60619796
>no active components
>just metal bars connecting all the jacks in the bus
>its like adding another octave to my speakers
I love this.

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>>60619755
Agree, I want play Drake on it

>>60619498
there's six woofers per tower (at least, there might be more on the sides). the centre drivers are the tweeters, with the drivers on the left and right are probably 2" midrange drivers

>>60619799
Most of those systems are still worth that money even though you aren't using them to their potential.

>>60619833
All the videos in this channel are memes

>>60612548
If you hear from good speakers they do sound better

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>>60618554
A phoolish demand.

>>60619796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOwqyWdsWrE
I bet the marble version adds two octaves to your speakers.

>>60619886
kek

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>>60619796
Yes, buy the powerslave goyim

>>60619886
>audiofool claims to be skeptical

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>>60619377
I wish this were a joke.

>>60619763
Too bad where they store their music is more important.
We should market some audiophile hard drives while the getting is good. Paint them silver and slap a gold sticker on them. That should make the music sound better.

>>60619738
>also has an artfool painting
Sasuga.

>>60619930
Just buy >>60619779 for your hard drives.

>>60619877
Tubes are 1st and 3rd order harmonic distortion, sound warm and nice. Combined with electrostats.. perfect setup for vocals but bad bass response and usually lacks that power to drive powerful music when needed.

>>60619972
But our drives will be silver and have gold stickers thus reflecting cosmic rays and making the music sound better!
And for over 9000 dollars you can have one too!!

>>60619997
>Tubes are 1st and 3rd order harmonic distortion
That's very funny, Anon. Did you study the sales material?

>>60620026
I bet they just sell Audio NAS instead at four or five figure prices with WD Greens inside.

>>60612548
Audiophiles won't be buying that. People with heaps of money to piss away and something to try and impress people when they go to their music room

>>60618644
>zvex
oh no, it's retarded

>>60619548
>Hard core audiophiles still rock turntables

for the same reason they use tube amps: they are old as fuck and can't hear anymore

>>60620043
electronics engineering technology before I dropped it.

This is the kind of thing I point out to communists who claim that the 1%'s money could feed, clothe, and shelter the entire world. This shit right here is where the disparity between currency and resources balances out.

>>60620122
Sounds pretty good. Self biasing, pentodes. Tubes were used in missile guidance systems up to the 80's as defense against emp. Like 20000 hours op time and 50k on/off cycles. Military grade but pretty musical too. On my second set now.

>>60620214
>Tubes were used in missile guidance systems
I guess 555 timer is best thing ever as it's been in space and should be used in all the amps.

>>60620159
Go listen sometime to audiophile level gear. I like tube sound for vocals and smoothing out some of the artifacting in digital music like mp3's by laying tube distortion on top.

>>60620239
but silicon is vulnerable to emp which is why tubes were used in missile systems for so long. Up to the late 80's anyway.

>>60620281
and I like the fact they were slated to be installed in a nuclear missile. Pretty cool.

I'm so jelly of these audiophiles fuck being deaf I would love this.
I have heaps of classical music and good rock that i would love to play on these.

I beat it feels like being a concert in real life.
I'm so jelly and shit I can't hate this.

too bad i'm poor.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE~

>>60620281
>>60620297
Do you people just enjoy being ignorant? Is this why Audiophools exist?

>>60620247
As long as you are aware that tubes are distorting the audio then it is fine.

There are people who claim that tubes result in a purer sound, closer to the original or the artists intention which is pure bullshit.
If the artist wanted the tube sound they would have used tubes in the recording in which case if you want the purest original replication you should be looking at amps that won't distort the sound at all.

>>60620348
You are jelly as well just admit it !

>>60619834
holy shit audophiles are pretentious

>>60612548
expensive audiophile products are 2% material/production, 98% research and development. everyone knows this.

$13k for that powerbar

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What's the point of having a amni-direcional drive if it is going to sit in the corner of your room anyways?

The best thing it can do is produce a echo?

https://www.schiit.com

>>60616351
Thought the same thing

Audiophiles also spend more than 25 dollars on a DAC and more than 50 dollars on headphone amps. They're literally fucking retarded. They are literally the greatest market to shill mumbo jumbo to because they're absolutely retarded.

>>60619635
>cuck porn watching

>>60620306
It really does sound great. I have a friend with a $200,000 McIntosh rig in a big room that sounds incredible.

>>60620663
This also.

All it is going to do is cause reflections off the walls to come back at you unless you cover the walls in sound absorbing padding in which case all you are doing is feeding the padding.

>>60619142
i thought it was magnetic coated cables so they could levitate within the magnetic stand

>>60619231
Why the fuck would you take on a home for $3500 a month, wtf would you NEED a home like that? Sorry but no sympathy, you're an idiot.

>>60622815
Meant to quote
>>60619329

>>60618644
>using tubes
you're literally fucking distorting the sound why would you want that

listening to music in tubes is not "the way the artist intended" its more like ruining all the work the mastering engineer did by distorting the signal. Just get a solid state amp and some studio monitors and stop being an audioautist

>>60623424
Unless you're listening to recordings made in the tube era: in that case the engineers have mastered the audio with equipment that used tubes, and expected listeners to play the records in tube amplified equipment because that was the technology of the time.

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>>60619930
How about some $300 SATA cables with silver wiring?

>>60623424
There's nothing wrong with using tube amps because you like the sound so long as you are aware that it is a personal preference.

Considering none of us have the equipment used during the recording and mastering phases we can't really carry the "the way the artist intended" argument too far, but if you want to listen to your music the way the artist intended then as flat as possible is the answer.

>>60623424
>The way artist intended
Almost every artist designs their shit with your average multimedia speakers in mind, just so you know.

>>60619081
I work for a company that does this but in a different industry. First job I've worked at where I never feel bad for the customer

>>60619524
This, what you see on the OP's video is the last ensamble process, all those components they plug and put toghether need to be made too from scratch.

I would say the raw price of it must be over 2000$. Still they get a crazy margin.

>>60623567
do those even meet SATA spec?

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>>60612548
Audiophiles are retarded because the vast majority of them spend thousands on speakers and amps and then they play play music on their shit acoustics living room.
They could spend half of that building a listering room with perfect acustics.

>>60624660
are you that "room acoustics" idiot who is poor as fuck

you sad pathetic sniveling autist

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>>60619877
why did laugh so hard

what if they could actually hear what we couldnt?

>>60619834
ive heard those speakers at a convention show in NYC

theyre f-ing awesome but you have to back them up with about 10K of amp and preamp

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>>60619042

>>60612548
love it. 99% filler material, 1% speaker.

>>60620459
>2% material/production
>2% research and development (fitting as many buzz words in the description as they can)
>96 pure profit

>>60624641
NO..
THEY EXCEED THEM!!!!!111

>>60620663
So you can annoy the neighbors and hear the music at the same time.

>>60620306
Uhm you can find custom builds, almost first hit on Youtube is some dude's own built shit from recycled materials.
You are just lazy if you don't make one.

>>60623483
>engineers
It's a dude who fiddles with recording equipment who dropped out of high school at 12

>>60625181
but they don't even have the little clips

>>60612548
how do they sound? Omnidirectional speakers are a bit retarded for most rooms.

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>>60625254
>how do they sound?

Pretty good all around

>>60612548
Despite what they claim audiophiles don't care about sound quality. They'd be using the same setup if that were the case(BA IEMs(maybe also closed planar magnetic headphones - they sound surprisingly similar), 1bit amp+DAC combo with next to zero output impedance and direct DSD playback and quality DSD tracks - in their case, unlike PCM, which is limited by Nyquist-Shannon, higher sample rates also improve dynamic range and move all distortions to high ultrasound range). In reality they simply pick the distortions that are most pleasurable to them - most audiophile headphones are far from being neutral. And in case of speakers your room and the air itself become limiting factors, I don't get why people bother with them at all.

>>60625447
Oh, and placebo. It's proportional to the price of the equipment.

>>60625187

>you have neighbors in your 2.3 million dollar manor house

>>60622815
That's relatively cheap where I live because I bought over a decade ago. Cost me near double that if I wanted to replace it or about the same amount if I downgraded to a small place.
Not as bad as I make it sound, I owe the money to myself but it's still income and taxable.

>>60623424
>http://www.tungsol.com/html/faqs14.html
I like how tubes sound. Transistors distort too but I like it less.

>>60619068
dat bonsai

>>60625673
the way that's written suggests people should be over-loading their amplifiers
am i missing something?

>>60628046
You shouldn't purposely overload but it happens.

>>60612548
>milled heavy steel and brass everywhere
>except for the subwoofer which is held together with hot glue
>$250,000

>>60628167
what i mean is, they only talk about how tubes distort in a more pleasing manner when over-driven
but what about when you don't overdrive your shit?

>>60628215
Literally no difference at all. You can perfectly clone any tube amp using transistors and it will not only be exactly the same sounding to the human ear, but it will also be exactly the same electrical signal when put through a scope.

>>60628215
>>60628167
like, it would seem to me like overloading tubes is a normal thing to do, so people are doing the same to digital stuff and balk when they hear how ass clipped digital audio sounds

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Experience the magic of Mpingo!

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>>60619025
WE

>>60628215
The big advantage to tubes is there's less electronics between you and the signal. They also respond faster than transistors apparently. They just don't have the bottom end or headroom a transistor amp has when driving heavy bass.

I found this interesting when I was looking for military tube stuff earlier.
>http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/05/return-vacuum-tube

>>60628371
>The big advantage to tubes is there's less electronics between you and the signal. They also respond faster than transistors apparently.
does this mean anything for non-realtime stuff like simple playback?

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>>60624923
>That one dollar difference

>>60628265
Don't typically have the same power as a transistor amp so it's easy to do.
There's ways around some of the limitations using low power amps by using high efficiency speakers for instance. You can get very high efficiency over 100db@1W.

>>60628409
I think the idea in the analogue world is the less stuff between the listener and the source, the more faithful the reproduction is to the original.
You should really head to some high end audio shop sometime and have a listen. Just so you know how good it can sound. Good gear and you can tell where the people were when it was recorded. You can hear their fingers move on the strings and tell as they move around the stage.
It's pretty awesome if the room and gear is setup right. You can preview some tube gear and at the end I doubt you'll question why some people choose it.

>>60616351
> Spend 1/4 mil for a set of speakers.
>Invite friends over to see your omni-delusional audiophool speakers on the new H.I.M
>Jim Bob sitting in the char whitlin' the foam with a steak knife.
>Drakon glue application
>soldered wires with no heatshrink
>REEEEEE

>>60628561
>I think the idea in the analogue world is the less stuff between the listener and the source, the more faithful the reproduction is to the original.
i can understand why digital stuff could be confusing if they're working off that, knowing that digital signals do not degrade, by definition, regardless of how many components or how much distance is applied to it
like, playing a flac file from a nas on the other side of the planet, going through various servers, routers, switches and cables along the way, doesn't change the contents of the file whatsoever, and the only thing that really matters is the components between the output of the DAC and the speakers, which is the same gear you'd be using for analog sources as well, as the output of a DAC is itself an analog source
the only difference is added latency between your request and the requested audio actually making it out of the DAC, but this doesn't change the sound at all

>>60619917
oh look, it even has the directional arrow indicating the direction of the audio signal! what?! only $4000 dollars each!?? I'll take two!

>>60628727
Precisely, but a computer has a lot of interference sources.
Since it's not real time like it used to be, I don't think jitter plays a role pulling from a memory buffer but I'm sure having all those clocks; CPU, GPU's, RAM, NICs and audio cards has some effect on the gear attached to it. As long as the DAC was shielded and designed well, it should be better since there isn't jitter from digital sources or longer/more cable runs to pickup stray interference from.
Analogue though is like infinite bits and sampling theoretically which is why turntables are still popular and vinyl still pressed.

>>60629027
>a computer has a lot of interference sources.
yes, none of which affect the digital signals, otherwise the computer wouldn't work
if you're concerned for the output of the DAC, the DAC can be placed elsewhere
i'm not talking only about say, on-motherboard DACs
you could pop a USB DAC in a metal box if you like

>Analogue though is like infinite bits and sampling theoretically
"bits" and "samples" aren't relevant to analog signals, this makes them undefined though, not "infinite"

>>60616251
> Real audiophiles deafen themselves and experience soundscapes through their fingertips. Anything less is a dilution of the full event
LOL

>>60616251
underrated comment

>>60629111
Yup, just concern about inducing unwanted signals in the DAC or any analogue cabling after the fact. Computers leak RF and cables act like antenna which is why good cables made sense and a difference in the analogue world.

I'm sure it can be defined by someone but not by myself. I know 16bit/44KHz CD is a limitation over live but not sure that still applies to 24bit/192KHz and god knows what may be out there.

>>60629111
>nice trips

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I watch this complete audio autist for a laugh.

He claims that thicker usb cables "mossively improved deh sound quaolity" he also does other dumb fuck retarded shit like cleans cds over and over with an ultra sonic cleaner and uses different wooden/metal feet on his equipment because he thinks it sounds better.


I think he also said he has an isolated noise reduction filtered electric ring separate from his household appliances so his audio gear doesn't receive impure electrical interference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyzza1Fmblo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKP1NAqvvJ4

Im sure he is 1 step away from being held in a mental asylum.

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>>60625447
>your room and the air itself become limiting factors

Oooh, audiophile air conditioners.

I want to start selling audiophile food that "improves hearing", both temporarily and in the long-term. The problem is that audiophiles believe their hearing is already perfect so I don't know how to get an angle on this. Any ideas?

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>>60630524
This fired to much neurons, I should buy some shielding for it.
>Fires even more neurons

I have found my kick-starter Idea:
Lobotomy-kits to stop the neuron firing form interfering.

>>60614486
>to build that contraption and how many will be sold?
This.
The machining and labor to construct such a device is massive.
/g - code monkeys who know nothing about the actual technology.

>>60630617
there was some retard on an audiophile forum who claimed different foods gave him better hearing but i think even some audiophiles laughed at him. The screencap sometimes floats around audiophile hate threads on /g/

>>60631817
Ironically enough, he's probably bullshitting less than most audiophiles. Objectively hearing better? Fuck no, but hormones do have an effect on perception of sound and food can have an effect on hormonal balance.

>>60619042
Extra thicc

>>60619142
>super thick insulation
>terminates in bare wire

Really makes me think

>>60619877
>that faggot crying at the end

>>60619329
How do you even qualify for a morgage that costs that much? You should probrably just declare bankruptcy and call it good.

>>60628442
They probably expect you to buy about 80 of them.

>>60632570
I qualified for another million on top of that, thankfully never used it. Homes where I live average over $500k and a million isn't anything uncommon. Look at San Franscisco, LA or New York.
You must be in middle America or something if you think that's a lot of money.

>>60612548
pro tip: every market which is able to generate bux has some scam products in it which claim more than they are able to do.

this doens't mean that there aren't distinguishable pricepoints though

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>>60612548
>lumping audiophiles and audiophools together
Surely you jest.

I have heard a pair of Sennheiser HD800s and a few other top end headphones once. There is a massive gap between 8 dollar monoprice garbage and these. The trade off is that they cost more than what most are willing to pay.

>>60612548
>Audiophile companies are scammers
no shit sherlock

>>60619626
thats the so-called skin-effect and doesn't happen in the low-frequency band like audio. it's interesting for high power radiowaves and such. you've got served my dude

>>60633175
Supposedly it does. They even make speaker wire to account for it but I don't know the whole truth.
I can say good speaker wire makes a difference as do good interconnects. The materials they are made from can have a noticeable impact on the sound.

>I think the idea in the analogue world is the less stuff between the listener and the source, the more faithful the reproduction is to the original.

you know why tube amps used to be so "muh pure" and "muh short signal path"? because tube circuits are fucking expensive, heavy because of the transformers and it's simply impossible to make a complex circruity like a 0,50$ IC has in the inside without needing a house for it.

>>60633214
you know how to make your radioshack copper cable behave like your 50000€ silver cable? you make it a bit thicker. there.

speaker wire is literally ordinary power cable. it doesnt have to be shielded or anything else.

the interconnects are the biggest "problem", since you have to swipe it with a bit of rubbing alcohol once every two years to make sure the connection is fine.

>>60619877
mng when you imagine how soked whit body fluids the headphones and rest of the stuff are bet the need burn it after the con

>>60633273
It makes a difference for analogue, I'm telling you. Not that I have 50k wire or anything for that matter. I used solid copper coated in silver. Cost was like $2-3 something a foot and monster gold blade clips. I used a triple wound interconnect with gold ends which was fairly expensive but I only needed the one.
At the local high end shop I got to play with a bunch of stuff from $20k for speaker wire down to $10. I didn't believe it either until I tried it myself. Still didn't buy that really high end stuff though. Leave that for people with more money than brains, plenty of them around.

What is research and development costs?
A product's material costs are not all there is. This shit requires hella engineering to get right

Even for actual audiophile non-snake oil shit you have to remember, it's a relatively small market, of course shit's gonna be more expensive when it requires loads of R&D. That being said, you just have to do your research with audiophile shit and know what you're getting into. There certainly is a lot of bullshit snake oil out there but there's also plenty of legitimate, quality equipment that lets you get the best out of your music.

>>60618927
>omni direcional speaker
>but they are in angles

kek

>>60619042
no step on snek

>>60612548
Cost of design engineering this, cost of production, and casting of some of the non-standard parts. It's a high quality product with low demand, and consequently expensive. Sure their markup is huge, but that doesn't make it a scam, just very poor value.

>>60623424
Matter of taste. I use a McIntosh MC275 for my old recordings - tapes and vinyls that have never been issued in a digital format. It can also be helpful if your speakers are the weakest link in your system, tubes tend to smooth over bad speakers.

That said, I bought that amp back during its original release (not the recent re-release). I wouldn't spend that sort of money on anything that wasn't fully solid-state today.

>>60619567
>have the arrow pointing in the direction of the flow of the music. For example, NAS to Router
that's where i lost

>>60635120
>high quality
Nah.

>>60635185
Tubes are every bit as good and likely better than solid state at the same power output.

>>60635322
No they aren't. They are worse.

>>60620306
i built my own full-range speaker cabinets a couple years ago. it was a lot of work but ultimately it was only a couple hundred bucks and they really are a shitload better than the equivalent Amazon crap

>>60620663
>>60620999
it's because the inverse-phase backwave of an ordinary driver is the cause of almost all problems in speaker cabinet design. the cabinet exists primarily to prevent the backwave from rolling over and cancelling the front. if you don't have a backwave then you don't even need a cabinet, you can just mount the damn things in open air, which means you don't need to worry about cabinet distortions

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>the age of tasteful and hi end affordable systems are gone forever

>>60635328
You do not know what you are talking about.

>>60625447
>And in case of speakers your room and the air itself become limiting factors, I don't get why people bother with them at all.
while room effects are large and need to be compensated, there are obvious physical reasons why a 12 inch woofer is better able to reproduce low frequencies than a headphone driver

>>60635434
that pic:

*low bit digital DACs
*cassette tape
*limited amplifier power

it wasn't that great nor "hi end", and likely more expensive that what's available today of comparable capability

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>>60625447
>>60635479
not to mention that at a live performance you can turn your head. if you have any hearing loss at all (i.e. everyone) then you almost certainly rely on head adjustments to compensate.

headphones, at best, reproduce a concert where you're trapped in pic related

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Individual preferences trump all in the end. I like tubes, but I'm good looking, sophisticated and articulate unlike those tranny lovers.

>>60619738
I bet q guest tried sitting in one of those once

>>60619042
Prepping the bull.

>>60612548
wow, what Id give to hear that thing in action

>>60636770
It sounds like shit.

>>60636781
To an untrained ear it would

>>60637201
>muh goldenear
t. delusional audiophile

>>60637213
Says the pleb that cant appreciate a good sound

Fox and the grapes thread?
Fox and the grapes thread.

>>60637629
>>60637637
Enjoy your diamond plated cables.

>>60637759
I will thanks.
Enjoy your constant buzzing.

>>60635434
I haven't seen a DAT player since the early 2000s.

>>60638334
What is it, a prehistoric mp3 player?

>>60619640
> he doesn't know how conduction works
> he doesn't know about Pointing vector

>>60619779
Aren't they used to filter supply noise?

Anyway invest money in a good D/A and good speakers, the rest it bullshit

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>>60638410
digital cassette tape
it predates the mp3 format

>>60624660
i wonder what it sounds like to listen to music playback in a room like this. i've always made music with headphones and small speakers in my room and, while it sounds fine, im just curious if that wood block colony really helps.

>>60638509
They are supposed to filter any noise/ripple on any of the lines.

Except that it makes practically no difference unless your hard drive is in a really, really, really electromagneticly noisy environment and you have the worst power source ever AND seeing it's all digital it will make zero difference to the quality of the music being played back but rather it will reduce the number of resends when reading data from the drive.

>>60631805
This looks like the sort of "future tech" you'd see in a scifi movie from 1975.

>>60612548
I've already seen $1k "superconductor filter" where the manufacturers recommended using it on every cable and it didn't have any cooling(for non-electrically literate - superconductors work at their best in liquid nitrogen tier temperatures) so nothing will surprise me.

>>60618644
>like a canon shot
Wow, I'll make sure to buy something like this before I listen to 1812 Overture the next time.

>>60630934
>complete bullshit
The parts could be made in about 30 minutes using our milling equipment so no. It's a scam, but basically anything for the ultra-rich is a scam. Those dumb fucks pay 60k for faucets so they can signal to other people about how fucking rich they are.

It's not even the quality of the good for them, it's the price.

>>60639351
>superconductor filter
>a superconductor by definition is a non-ideal conductor that has zero resistance
How can a superconductor filter ANYTHING?

>>60639702
it filters out poorfags and people without golden ears

>>60620247
>smoothing out articating in mp3s

You do realize you're only making already bad transcodes sound worse, right?

retard.

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Reminder that you're not truly listening to music until you tape rocks to your equipment.

http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm

>all these audiophiles
explain this
http://www.analysis-plus.com/product/home-audio/interconnects/micro-golden-oval-interconnects/

>>60638497

>chastises others
>can't even name his physicists properly

It's poynting senpai

>>60639435
Are you aware that it's not *just* the milling, right? That crap has stupidly high R&D costs, and relatively high production costs with extremely low sale volumes.
I'm not saying it's not a scam, almost everything in the audiophools world is a scam, I'm just saying that shit like that isn't so cheap to produce at all, once you consider everything.

I worked in the overpriced-crap-for-rich-dumbfucks industry too as a 3D CAD operator on a very small company, and sure the shit we produced wasn't worth all the money it was sold at, but the profit margin weren't as huge as the price tag.

>>60629704
I've seen some.of those cunts bypass the breaker box to get cleaner electricity.

>>60640174
https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/famous-quotes-by-patrick82.210323/

I bought me some Monster cables but I am not pleased with them since I noticed I was losing 0.00001% of the purity in my music. I narrowed it down to the heat dissipation of the wires so I encaspulated the wires in tin foil to attempt trap the escaping purity, but to no avail.
What do?

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>>60639975
Welp... I may have autism
Because that genuinely makes me want to slap someone's shit

>>60629704
>almost half hour video about turntable feets

>>60618533

Speakers aren't perfect loads, some parts of the frequency range are 8-10 Ohm while others are 3-5 Ohm (depending on speaker construction and complexity)

If an amplifier starts dropping power as the impedance varies, certain frequencies will have less power available to them.

>>60624923
>"The damn things do lower noise...."
>"The damn things...."
You can just smell the boomer reading that testimonial.

>>60612548
How do you even come up and design this shit?
I don't understand.

>>60630934
>>60640060
https://schiit.com/
Literally anybody can put this shit together

This like Juicero suddenly make more sense.

>>60641006
Is Yggdrasil back in stock yet? Thinking about picking one up.

>>60641129
Juicero doesn't make any sense though. It would have cost several times more than they sell it for to make.
They're literally selling at a massive loss to try and make money off the subscription service. These at least sell for a profit.

>>60623424
A good tube amplifier does not distort. High end audio industry is not about performance specs so some designs are intentionally built to exhibit various kinds of nonlinearity. Nobody bothers to test whether it's audible in any way because that isn't in the interest of either the companies or the consumers.

>>60619997
>>60620247
What a load of bullshit. You don't assess the quality of such gear by listening to them. That is exactly how this market persists.

>>60616693
It's an esoteric and expensive high end audio device. It's an omnidirectional loudspeaker which does just that: radiates omnidirectionally. High price is there to attract to a certain clientele. This isn't a scam no mater how little value you see in it.

>>60619498
It's a line array. Not a bad idea actually. Mounting them all on a single flat baffle is a bit iffy.

>>60619799
Musical tastes aren't relevant. High end audio would be equal to purchasing a PC at an extortionate pricing, with unknown performance and specifications and technology from 20 years back. You only get a promise that it's good, sometimes some pseudo-scientific marketing to back it up. In the end nobody knows, nobody in the market cares.

In comparison high end PCs are cheap, water loops have obvious advantages at cooling performance when properly designed. A lot of people seek for quantifiable benefits. Aesthetics are entirely subjective but also very reasonable in comparison to high end audio.

>>60620459
Certainly not but that's what the companies want you to believe. Every product in this thread speaks against that. Old designs with a twist at most.

>>60620663
>>60620999
This >>60635429 and directivity characteristics of loudspeakers strongly correlate how preferred their sound is. A loudspeaker which radiates smoothly off axis is a better one when you put it into a room.

>>60638822
Less echo, more consistent performance across a wider area.

>>60624894
No you don't.

>>60625447
You didn't list a single thing which correlates to performance. BA or planar magnetic, electrostatic or electrodynamic. It doesn't matter.

DSD has less dynamic range than 24 bit PCM and you are limited form doing any DSP operations on it. These sorts of formats aren't practical limiting factors in listening. Unsurprisingly, nothing has shown there to be any benefit in higher quality formats than Redbook which is basic CD quality at 44.1 KHz and 16 bit resolution.

When these people listen to their gear, they do it sighted. The equipment might be bad but it still can sound very good to the listener. It can sound pleasantly distorted even if there was no audible distortion.

Headphones are easy to correct with an equalizer, loudspeakers and rooms are not. You need to do some physical work to control the waves.

>>60625480
Placebo effect doesn't correlate with price. Nobody is immune to expectation and cognitive biases.

>>60628215
>but what about when you don't overdrive your shit?
Surprise, distortion levels drop and you have successfully picked up an amplifier which is enough for your needs. Not overloading is the purpose of any hi-fi amplifier. High end audio isn't about high fidelity.

>>60628561
That's the sort of romanticized idea high end audio basks in. "This is how pure this signal path is" and "Have a listen". You are incapable of doing any sort of critical listening here and the signals passing might be anything but pure. High end audio does not care about the fact whether they are or aren't. They care about the listening sensation which is vastly effected by the nature of our perception. The audio performance of the gear can have much less of an effect on how it sounded like than the visual appearance of the enclosure you were shown.

>Good gear and you can tell where the people were when it was recorded.
Only thing which can alter localization are the loudspeakers themselves and the room. Ultimately this depends on the recording.

>>60631913
>but hormones do have an effect on perception of sound and food can have an effect on hormonal balance.
You can fly all sorts of nutrition nonsense through that logic. People seem to love these new age """health""" products just because someone blogged about it. Vast majority don't have a slightest clue about how it actually interacts in your body Lucky for them nobody is going to test them under conditions where you could actually verify the claims. Placebo works.

>>60633427
And you actually believed your ears so much that now you are confidently spreading this bullshit on /g/?

Gold plating is there to prevent oxidation and corrosion, to make the trickiest part of the most basic thing in audio even more reliable.

>>60640864
See an actual problem in loudspeaker cabinet design and radiation pattern. See a relatively simple way to solve it. See it as a perfect chance to create product for the high end audio market which loves esoteric analog designs. Realize how people are willing to spend a lot of money on them. MBL has had many designs and revisions over the years.

>>60616251
>not surgically removing all your senses to prevent the degradation of your brain's audio processing centre

Top kek, enjoy your shitty distortion while I'm sitting here with hypothetically perfect hearing. Actually listening to music only cheapens it.

(I am a robot, typing out this message by translating the mouth clicks of my creator)

>>60634950
Kek

>>60641006
>if we make the thousands of dollars tier audiofag equipment
>and sell it for 1/10 the price of the other fags
>and not chink it out
>we'll sell 10 times as many
>and make even more money thanks to economies of scale
>and get our name out more since more people will have them
>and maybe make the Jews lower their prices to compete
They're doing the Lord's work, anon.

>>60639423
Might choose something with more power, like that Krell.

>>60641360
>You don't assess the quality of such gear by listening to them
You must be trolling. That's exactly how gear is assessed.

>>60641565
The less interference to the signal the better. >>60635554

>>60641744
>And you actually believed your ears so much
Yup, it's true and you can do it yourself. Nothing to do with the gold contacts. Just there is some truth in that audiophile crap peddled. Best way to experience it is to try different interconnects and speaker wire on the same gear.

>>60639923
bad transcodes are bad, nothing you can do about it and I stream a lot so it's not like their high end recordings to begin with but I like the warmth tube sound can bring especially when overdriven.

>>60619877
>tfw letting people throw lemon juice to my eyes for a living

>>60638497
It's called skin effect and while I appreciate the science behind it and personally look for it to solidify any claims for everything there's still truth in listening and getting results you didn't expect.

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>>60612548
>>$250 000 for this shit

This is never about the audio per se.

It's about bragging how disgustingly rich you are.

Social ape gotta social.

>>60619779
>Capacitors
In digital circuitry they're not that necessary, but when you are involving analog circuitry in the mix, you sure need to filter all the power line noise you can.

t. I was stuck about 3 weeks in my electric engineering thesis wondering why my capture circuit didn't work until I attached it to batteries

>>60619142
>bought our raisers
it's "buy" you fucking pajeet

this thread reminds me:
>be a Polish company
>produce good speakers that sell well in Poland but are not selling in other countries because its made by plumbers
>buy licenses from pioneer and produce speakers marked as "made in japan"
>produce over 5x10^6 speakers
>stay in business for almost 60 years
>stupid audiophiles rant about great Japanese tech
>It was all plumbers

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>>60644592
>produce good speakers that sell well in Poland but are not selling in other countries because its made by plumbers
kek!

>>60619275
Looks like a room in Omikron

>>60612548
>tfw there will never be a 'BOLTR' vijayo of this thing

>>60642059
>You must be trolling. That's exactly how gear is assessed.
Ears are wonderful things to test gear but only if you do it under laboratory conditions and double blinded. No reviewer does that. You don't do that. Sighted listening evaluations are worthless at establishing any sort of claims of the quality of the gear. This is especially true for devices like amplifiers and DA-converters, not to mention cables where the potential audible differences are incredibly small and exceedingly hard to describe precisely because they tend not to be part of frequency magnitude.

You hear whatever when you go and "have a listen". Might change the next time you try. Might change if you switch to a box with different pricing and branding. There is no way for us to rid our cognitive biases. They are unconscious and the resulting sensation is just as real as hearing an actual difference in the sound. Without controlling and eliminating all other variables than sound you will never know.