/pcbg/ PC Building General

first for never buy low vram variants, you'll regret it.

please someone reply to my retarded question: i ordered an m2 ssd and all i have to do is to plug it into the motherboard and screw it in, right? do i need to plug something from psu to mobo for it to work? motherboard MSI B250i Pro
m2 ssd PLEXTOR M7VG PX-256M7VG

in /sqt/ i was told to plug my dick in

Any sound arguments with what I could convince my friend to consider Ryzen in his upcoming build ?
He was planning on buying i7-5820K with a X99 board, but the fucking CPU itself is 420 euros, I can't imagine that with all the waves that Ryzen created, that it couldn't compete with that CPU for a cheaper price and better performance, but he's Intel/nVidia fanboy, because he has too much money

>>60592785
yes, that's how it works. plug it in the slot, and screw it down.

>>60592785
Plug your dick in
But in all seriousness, do you happen to see something that could connect with anything on that SSD ? (well other than the m.2 connection)
No

>>60592789
just convince him to wait for the next HEDT platform coming out Soon

>>60592797
thank you
>>60592798
i've read in mobo description that if m2 is installed it disables one sata port that's why i thought i have to plug a sata cable. sorry, first build ever after years on a shitty laptop

>>60592815
nope. It just disables one of the SATA plugs. So if your mobo has 6 Sata plugs, only 5 will work if you have an m.2

>>60592784

so 1050 ti 4gb > 1060 3gb .

all youtube videos say its the other way around. the 1060 performs better

>>60592831
thank you very much!

>>60592835
No, it's 1060 3gb << 1060 6gb

>>60592835
I said variant you fucking retard.

>>60592835
The 1060 has more performance. The reason we recommend the 1050ti over the 3gb 1060 s due to the 1060 only having 3 gb of vram. It will bottleneck it in games. By contrast, the AMD Radeon RX470/570 has 4 gb vram, so though less powerful, performs better. If you want a 1060, spring for the 6gb model, or better yet, get an RX480/580 with 8gb vram for the same price.
nvidia is really only worth it if you step to the 1070.

>>60592835
the 1060 is better. look, don't listen to these retards. these people would one minute say 8gb is the absolute minimum for modern gaming and tell you to buy a used r9 390 or similar, but when the narrative doesn't fit for them they'll suddenly change and say 4gb is fine for gaming and beg you to buy a 290.

source: it has happened to me in these exact threads

>>60592784
It depends on the card.
Like a 5850 2GB probably didn't offer a lot of difference over a 1GB model of that card since any game that needs over 1GB of VRAM is probably already going to run like shit on that GPU but 3GB is definitely not enough for something with the GPU performance of a 1060.

>7th Gen Intel® CPU supports DDR4 up to 2400

wait so you're telling me my 3200 hz ram will be a waste of money?

>>60592904
>dumb

>>60592784
HUB did upto date testing with the 3.5+5 970 and 8gb 390 and factory oc vs oc they were literally neck and neck. some retards would have suggested that the 970 will be way slower because it has less than the "compulsory" 8gb of vram. they must all feel like fucking idiots now.

>>60592912
>v a r i a n t

>>60592904
All ram past 2400mhz or 2133mhz are factory overclocked, I believe they're just telling you that unless you overclock the ram, that's what the mobo/CPU will automatically downclock it to.

For 1080p gaming of non AAA titles. I'd gigabyte a goof manufacturer?

https://geizhals.de/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-d5-4g-gv-n105td5-4gd-a1526016.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

>>60592917
A 390 is just a 290 with 8GB of ram.
I dont know why they did that really, it offered almost no performance improvement but it must have driven the price up a lot.
Well i guess ram was cheaper then so maybe it wasn't so much of a problem.

>>60592935
okay thanks

how's this https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/LBg7Fd ?
i'm thinking of reusing my 3 year old psu but it's a noname brand and i don't have the other cords that came with it

>>60592948
>https://geizhals.de/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-d5-4g-gv-n105td5-4gd-a1526016.html?hloc=at&hloc=de


thx . fucking amazon selling it for 190.

and on geizhals you can find it for 140

>>60592948
*is gigabyte a good manufacturer

Jesus Christ. I should check what I'm typing, dumb mobile poster.

>>60592985
Amazon is usually very bad when it comes to pricing for computer parts. Except for special offers (price cut on ssds for a day or so).

>>60592948
I can't vouch strongly for or against them, Hanz, but if everything's equal then I prefer Asus.

>>60592904
Overclocking is not officially supported so thus the fastest you can do is

>>60592963
If all you do is play vidya then replace the 7700k with 1600, ditch the cooler, get a cheaper b350 mobo and use the savings for gtx 1070 or rx 580

>>60592961
the 390 was a jew move imo. offered no performance uplift compared to a regular 290 and it can't even utilize the full 8gb of vram either. the same goes for the 580. it's literally an overclocked 480 but in most games it only shows like 5 fps increase on average. the 580 is massively more expensive than the 1060 6gb now

>>60592963
Get r5-1600 instead.
With the extra money you can get a 525GB mx300 instead.

You could save some money on the ram as well, but might not be worth it, ryzen ram is a bit funky. Ballsitix sport LT at least used to be pretty cheap, and it performs well, because it's "dual rank", they can also be overclocked to 2933/3200mhz (the LPX may be overclockable to maybe 3600mhz, don't know).

RX 580 8gb should be priced just around the same, and performs equal to the 1060, the advantage is that freesync monitors are way cheaper.

I think you should upgrade the PSU, the noname one most likely has no safety features, so it could short all of your components once it fails.

>>60593040
>100% vidya
>drops the better 1-8-thread CPU for a slower 8-core multitasker
Bad advice

>>60593039
Asus is bad tho dog.

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>>60593047
>RX 580 8gb should be priced just around the same

if you think $50 is the same...

>>60593060
6-core*

>>60593065
For what reason(s)?

>>60593066
Huh, well, get 1060 6gb then, if you're not going to buy a freesync monitor.
gsync premium is at least 200$ more.

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>>60593044
>the same goes for the 580. it's literally an overclocked 480
Actually the 580 had some sort of jew magic worked into it that made it less housefire-y

>>60593074
coil whine, failing mobos, bad customer support, etc.

>>60593077
rx 580, friend.

>>60593086
God damnit.
They're also squatting the X370 name on motherboards too so i can only expect google searches to get a lot more annoying from here on out.

>>60593082
>failing mobos
My Asus p6t has been on for 8 years straight.

>>60593065
Nope.

>>60593077
BIOS update. In theory you can apply the same update to rx 480 to turn it into 580 but that can brick your card.

>>60593060
It saves money and vidya performance mostly relies on graphics card anyways.

>>60593075
freesync is a meme. variable refresh in general is a meme. i had the option of picking between a big screen tv or a shitty 24 inch freesync 1080p monitor and i went for the big screen. 0 regrets and my gaming experience is so much better on the big screen. once big screen tvs come with variable refresh tech only then will it not be a meme.

big 32 inch LED tv at 60 hz > small shitty TN monitor with 100+ hz

>>60593082
Hm. Mostly liked them for their monitors & mobos.
Haven't had to deal with support yet, so I'll take your word.
But seriously, who DOESN'T have shit customer support?

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>>60593106
>you can apply the same update to rx 480 to turn it into 580 but that can brick your card.
Yeah because the RX 580 has no jew magic, it's a straight up overclock and if your card cant handle the clock it'll die.

>>60593103
Some 8 years ago something like 50% of their mobos failed, or so. So they just sent around the same broken mobos to their customers who had RMAd theirs. Until they had to accept defeat and give them a different brand of mobos.

Basically, never buy asus, shit manufacturer, they were the reason ASRock was bad.

>>60593128
Not only that, but the bios upgrade thing can also fail for many different reasons.

>>60593119
>playing on something with 50ms input lag
I guess you just like losing huh?

freesync/gesync is about fixing both screen-tears & v-sync stutter.
If you're playing at high OR low FPS, or shit anything that doesn't match up closely with your monitor's refresh rate, you can use it.

Advice appreciated on this build https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GWkpLD

Is the ASrock a better choice than the MSI mortar?
Do I need that much ram or am I fine with 8GB?
Are Kingston SSD's ok or should I get a more expensive one?

>>60593148
nope. my tv is just as fast as my old 5/ms monitor, i've actually tested it. my tv comes with a PC mode.

and with my new 1070 i can use fast sync and play all my games at high fps with no screen tearing but i get those beautiful LED visuals on a big screen rather than some shitty peasant tier small monitor with colours worse than my samsung galaxy s3 screen from 5 years ago. TN is trash.

>Looking at getting new monitor
>No 4K screen with more than 60hz
>Check out TVs cause bored
>40" 4K TV 240hz for $600
Can someone explain to me why gaming monitors are better than TVs? I've used both monitors and TVs and haven't noticed any bad input lag from TVs. Should I just get a 4K TV?

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>>60593175
another tv poster?

>>60593165
>kingston SSDnow

trash

>seagate HDD

enjoy your 70% higher failure rates

>microatx mobo for an atx case

you can get an atx mobo for the same price

>gold psu

you can save money on all of the above and on the psu and upgrade to a 1070 with the savings.

>>60593165
Mortar.
Better VRMs and support for higher memory frequencies.
You're fine with 8GB but you'll have to close chrome when you play games
Any SSD is better than no ssd but you're do better cheaping out on your power supply a little and going with bronze and getting a MX300 or bigger ssd

>>60593191
tv's use interpolation to create "predicted" frames so it's not really 240hz, but closer to 120hz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxvu7qf6rDw

>>60593165
That SSD is a meme, performs pretty closely to a 7200rpm HDD.

I think that mobo is better, somebody claimed it didnt have LLC, but I suspect that person just didn't know what they were doing.

You might want to up on your GPU though, 4gb might be ok, but it also might end up bottlenecked by vram before it's hardware is completely outdated.
Either way, I'd suggest 2 fans instead of 2 fan, makes it much quiter.

If Ballistix sport LT 2x8GB 2400mhz are close to the same price as thsoe LPX, then get the sport LT instead.

>>60593199
using a samsung 5000 series from a few years back. the panel quality is still better than some of my friends modern LG and Sony tv's. feels good that you can go from gaming to watching a tv seamlessly on a tv without having the issues of a small monitor like shitty colours or a small size.

>>60593209
Mortar has worse VRMs.

>>60593201
>you can save money on all of the above and on the psu and upgrade to a 1070 with the savings.
But you only proposed 1 way to save and that was the PSU, unless you meant to dump the HDD and SSD because that would indeed be enough to make room for a 1070. But that's kind of like putting the cart before the horse, then selling the horse.

>>60593234
No it doesn't, it's 4+3 and the asrock is a 3+3 with a marketing trick, it's a good 3+3 but it's not as good as MSI's 4+3

>>60593239
get rid of the ssd till the end of year sales and pick up an 850 evo for super cheap. get rid of the 2tb seagate and get a 1tb wd blue, it's way more reliable. and also the cheaper psu should be enough to scrape a 1070 with a minor price bump but with a massive performance bump.

>>60593136
8 years ago is when I bought my mobo, though.

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>>60593250
It's 2+2

>>60593201
>kingston SSDnow
>
>trash

how so

>>60593269
It was actually 10 years go.
But anyway, they always have loads of complaints about coil whine, and other issues.

>>60593255
Are you getting confused by britbong currency or do you seriously think you can save enough from an SSD sale, a $20 cheaper hard drive and a $30 cheaper PSU to make up the requisite ~$150 to upgrade to the cheapest 1070?
(I used dollars because my keyboard doesn't have a homosexual currency symbol on it and i can't be bothered going to the effort)

>>60593278
they don't deserve a cent after they did the bait and switch with 300 or something model

>>60593278
http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-120GB-vs-Kingston-SSDNow-V300-120GB/3484vs1892

>>60593271
You're right that it hasn't got 3 phases on the SOC, i made a mistake there, but it's definitely 4 phases on the V-core. MSI is using the same controller on all of their boards except the gaming pro, there's just 1 choke per phase in this design.

>>60593305
http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-120GB-vs-Samsung-960-Evo-NVMe-PCIe-M2-250GB/3484vsm200373
At that point you might as well just get a NVMe.

>>60593288
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/F2vXqk

>>60593305
>costs 54% more

WOW LOOK HOW BAD THIS SSD IS

>>60593329
>97% faster
>49% more expensive

yeah sick deal amirite

>>60593325
You just removed the SSD and halved the RAM too you cheeky bastard.

>>60593336
>faster

yeah you really need that write speed on a 120gb ssd you dumb faggot

>>60593343
The 4K read is the one that was 90% faster.
dont know how he figured 97% but that's definitely important.

>>60593341
he asked if 8gb ram was fine in his OP though. i'd take that as saying he's fine with dropping down to 8gb. nevertheless, fitting a superior gpu into your initial budget is better than getting a worse gpu but with optional peripherals like a ssd or extra ram. you can always upgrade those over the months or years. it won't be so easy justifying spending $200 on a gpu and then wanting to buy a faster one for $300 a year later because you feel you want to upgrade. do you not agree?

>>60593305
evo is overkill though, just get the nice balanced mx300.
Costs less, or at least it goes on sale pretty often.

SSDnow is simply a really terrible SSD.

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>>60593351
based on average bench overall

>>60593358
http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Crucial-MX300-275GB-vs-Kingston-SSDNow-KC300-240GB/3642vsm8366

what's the difference? SSDNow is a wide lineup of SSDs. There's an even newer KC*00 model, the KC400, but there's no bench's for it.

>>60593357
I dont think an SSD is a slap in upgrade like a GPU is.
He pretty much has to reinstall windows if he gets his SSD later which depending on what he uses his computer for can be varying degrees of troublesome.

>>60593379
ssdnow v300 then, whatever.
The whole kingston brand of SSD is pretty damaged because of that disk.

>>60593380
he can just do the cloning method

Ok guys, is this any better
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LnbbzM

>>60593402
...To a smaller drive?

>>60593389
>>60593379
Also, SSDNow KC300 is way more expensive, it costs as much as 850 evo.

>>60593413
yes. i've done it multiple times. takes no longer than 30 mins to an hour. the longest bit is the backup and cleanup.

https://www.howtogeek.com/97242/how-to-migrate-windows-7-to-a-solid-state-drive/

>>60593421
The price isn't accurate, I got a 1TB kc400 for cheaper than an mx300 equivalent.

>>60593424
Okay fair enough.
I think you should bump the HDD back up since 1TB GB/$ is pretty shit and get a more reliable model of PSU but other than that the rest of your reasoning is sound.

>>60593409
see >>60593325

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Is it time to get a new HDD?

>>60593480
What's it's health at?

>>60593480
Obviously yes

>Intel Kaby Lake G4560
>1050ti 4gb
>8 gb 2400 mhz ram
>Asrock H110M-DGS R3.0 2133MHz DDR4 Soket 1151 mATX


Can I get more than 140 fps on this system with everything low+75% res scale on Overwatch? I'm sick of playing on my shitty toaster laptop and want to build a cheap PC.

>>60593887
change the mobo to a B250, H270 or Z270 chipset

>>60593904

Ah fuck, yes. Didn't see the mobo was only 2133 Mhz.

>>60593887
Not 144 fps but you'll come close
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrc0mnp4s5A
In this video it howers around 110 ~ 120, but it won't go further as the CPU is at 100%

>>60593923

Isn't he playing on high though? I should get more than that if I play on the lowest settings?

>>60593918
>Didn't see the mobo was only 2133 Mhz.
That's not the point
h110 mobos require bios updates for kaby-lake CPUs, whereas b250 / h270 / z270 do not. If you were to buy that h110m, your CPU wouldn't run on it and you wouldn't be able to update the bios either.

>>60593937

Ah, the guys I'm buying from flash the BIOS before sending it. Most of my friends shop from there and never had any problems with their products.

>>60593887
here. built you a Poverty spec Ryzen build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8zbbzM

>>60593936
>I should get more than that if I play on the lowest settings?
No, because the CPU is at 100%. Downgrading graphical quality will not change that.

>>60593987

I see thanks.

>>60593948

Thanks for the help man but your build will cost much more after exchange rate+taxes in my country. I can save around 500 bucks in my currency if I go with what I posted, I can even get a pretty good monitor for around 500$ total.

>>60594042
The point of the RYzen build was to be similarly cheap while have much more cpu performance and better upgradeability.

>>60594066

Yeah I know man, it's just it costs much more here thanks to taxes. G4560 is 240 bucks while r5 1400 is around 700 bucks in my currency, thanks for your help though.

>>60594104
What kind of taxes is that? To increase cost by 4 times?

hi guys, i'm buying a PC for gaming soon (next month) i have a budget between 1500-1800€ (France) i play games like Arma, Battlegrounds, games that use quiet a lot and not really optimized (and i want to play of course at 60FPS 1080p. i was wondering what spec or prebuild pc should i buy, thx

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Can i comfortably play with this shit in cs:go/minecampf on 1440p?

>>60594231

Import taxes are fucking insane here man, plus electronics counts as luxury here and we also have a tax for that and I'm not even counting in the fucking retarded exchange rate.

3.57 of my currency = 1 $

>mfw our government makes more profit in taxes than the producer

I fucking hate this place.

What are some things to keep in mind when making a fan curve for my 1070?

>>60594104
That's normal. the ryzen 5 is almost 3 times more expensive in america too.
You seem to have it a little worse, the other guy is just being dumb.
A 1400 isn't really faster enough to justify the price hike from a pentium anyway, it's a very shit ryzen, the cache is probably the culprit.

Quick question
I wanted to build a HTPC/a computer I could fuck around with take to LAN parties, a mates house or whatever
A PC store near me had a £130 pc with 8GB ram and an i5 650
My idea was to grab that throw a 460 or 1030 in there and use that.
Should I look around more or does that sound good enough?
I would like to play more modern games on it but I don't mind dropping down to 900p mid settings.

>>60594267
Are Arma and Battlegrounds the only games you play?

>>60594274
You convert what you pay in your currency directly into US$ to make the cost comparision.

Then you can compare average wage between US and your country, to get a real idea of how much it costs.

You can't just count "4 dollar of my country is worth 1 US dollar, so that means it costs 4x as much!".

>>60594324
Nah but they're the most consuming for an example

>>60594344

Well minimum wage is 1300 while average is around 2000.

>>60594354
Something like that
https://shop.hardware.fr/configurateur/9fff5b5c82b5d948b62e3a26c0795708
Need to know what other games you play to make sure it's fit for you though.

>>60594281

Yeah, I'm reading lots of reviews and they praise the pentium a lot and benchmarks are pretty good for it from what I'm seeing.

>>60594377
my friend gave me this, (it's for playing games that will come out this or next year)
what do you think ?

https://www.topachat.com/pages/configomatic.php?c=zp1YP7MfJ3xI1KmmT%2FYSPFyYvRm1W%2Bbf6cp7VPfvQFQ%3D

>>60594300
You probably won't be able to run a 460 on a prebuilt's PSU, a lot of those things are soft limited to 40 or 50 watts over PCIe or even lower. My dell optiplex 390 is limited to 25w for instance.
But aside form that it should work, you might be able to find a better deal than that on ebay or craigslist or something though. That randomgamingHD guy on youtube is always finding used office pcs and doing that shit in britbong land somehow

i7 7700k
Gtx 1080ti
32 GB corsair vengeance ddr4 ram
Corsair obsidian 450d case
750w evga supernova power supply

How'd I do?

>>60594409
It's overkill but not particularly bad.
The 7700k does make sense for ARMA because Arma is really a piece of unoptimized shit, but that's about it. You usually get it if you're gonna have a 144hz or higher refresh rate screen, but otherwise it doesn't make much sense. Not to say from a technical point of view, the 6 cores R5 1600 (although it reaches lower framerate) should last longer than that 7700k, because the 7700k already hits very high 70 - 80+% usage in games, whereas the R5 1600 hits 40 - 55% because it has two more cores.

750w is way beyond what you need for this build, it'll use at most (including power spikes) 400w, so getting a 500 - 550w PSU makes more sense

That RAM is pretty expensive for it's specs, you could find higher frequency RAM (with same latencies) for cheaper or same specs for less than that

>>60594469

Got it, thank you, as i said it's for the next 2-3 years for new games and 5 years having this kind of PC

Any good memorial day sales going on?

>>60594469
>because the 7700k already hits very high 70 - 80+% usage in games, whereas the R5 1600 hits 40 - 55% because it has two more cores.
That's not a good measure of longevity as the FX series CPUs also have low utilisation in games.
There's no guarantee it'll be different this time.

>>60594447
gotta go fast

>>60594267
Shouldn't you be saving your money to get out of that country before the Muslims and negros take over?

>>60594556
Fuck you're right i forgot about that..

>>60594547
>There's no guarantee it'll be different this time.
It already is though, as all the R5 (1400 excluded) already beats i5s in gaming even though a 4c4t Ryzen would weaker in games than a 4c4t Intel.
In a few years from now on games will be more CPU heavy than they already are and the room left while playing video games on a 4c8t CPU will be tight, just like a few years ago i5s had some room left but in today's games they do not.
Either you decide to gamble by going 7700k, thinking "hopefully games in the future don't become much more CPU heavy", or either you go for an R5 1600 and do not take that risk. I don't know why you would go for the former.

Hi, what's the best possible upgrade for a old. Pcchips a15g am2+ socket? Currently using a sempron 140, it'll be used for word and web surfing

>>60594608
No i mean people were saying exactly the same thing about bulldozer back in the day pointing towards its superior multi threaded performance and saying that means it's potential is yet to be unlocked and shit.
The only difference is ryzen isn't shit that's supposed to turn into gold like bulldozer. but there is still absolutely no guarantee it will get better. Don't sell promises.

>>60594650
>but there is still absolutely no guarantee it will get better; Don't sell promises.
I'm not saying it will get better, i'm saying it will get worse. 4c4t is already on it's limit when 4 months ago everyone thought it was good. 4c8t is fine for the time being but why would you get it when 4c4t is already on it's knees? 6 cores CPUs have a much longer longevity than 4 cores one, today an i5 3xxx is very meh but even an i7 3930k is great for AAA gaming these days because it has 6 cores and twelve threads, meanwhile an i5 3570k goes like this: https://youtu.be/vvd5cI-2xus?t=1m28s

Don't encourage people in taking gambles. The R5 1600 is the best value CPU there is and offer more performances than any 4 core CPUs (i7 included), the only reason you shouldn't get it is if you have a 144hz screen.

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My old PC died today, im about to go all out on a new work machine.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/x8dyr7
pic related is from the shop im going to order from

>work in ableton
>3d stuff
>video cutting/streaming

All my audio runs through a USB sound interface & i had some problems with my old motherboard - when moving bigger date files the audio would get distorted.

Any recommendations on MOBO, or tips for the case and about the build generally?
I think i might be a lil bit overkilling it with storage, but i have shitloads of external drives containing music, audio samples, pictures, videos and work stuff - and i want to get rid of most of them.

>>60594716
>Don't encourage people in taking gambles
I am not the one telling anyone to buy anything. You seem to have mistaken me for the person you were arguing with.
I am merely adding my voice to the "100% utilization is bad and has no future" echo chamber that is these threads and saying that if it was such a boogeyman then the FX series must have buttery smooth framerates because they never go about 80% utilisation in any game.
There's a lot more to frametimes and frame rates than CPU utilization, all CPU utilisation is an effective measure for is power consumption and heat.

>>60592721
holy shit Arma 3 is amazing with a Ryzen r5 1600x

>>60594752
Try switching to an AMD Ryzen 7 1800X. It's better and cheaper.

>>60594783
>There's a lot more to frametimes and frame rates than CPU utilization, all CPU utilisation is an effective measure for is power consumption and heat.
Yes, but considering the Ryzen & Intel CPUs all perform very very closely between each other (assuming equivalent specced parts), across all workloads, all there is left to compare between them is room left, power consumption, heat output, and supported features. Comparing the current situation to the FX situation is pointless.

>>60594752
Should get a Ryzen 7 CPU for the extra cores, you can get an 8 core for as low as $320. Or wait for threadripper CPUs which releasing this summer, wouldn't be surprised to see a 10 cores CPU at $700 or lower.

>>60594716
>the only reason you shouldn't get it is if you have a 144hz screen.
still plenty of reason to get it. With a 144hz monitor, you still want your games to run below 144hz, for freesync to actually do it's work.

>>60594805
i would rather stick to intel, only thing i might consider would be going for a 7700k.
im kinda sick of amd at the moment.

>>60594827
waiting is the problem.
i need a workstation ASAP. im without a computer and need to get it up and running before friday

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>>60592721
Who wants to play a game called "yell at anon until he builds it or kills himself in frustration"?

Here's what's got me at the end of my wits: I am building my computer and when I try to turn it on, the monitor doesn't get any signal from it. When I wait a little bit, it also stops working and restarts...

Here are the parts
AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Mini Video Card
Fractal Design - Core 2300 ATX Mid Tower Case
Thermaltake - TR2 600W ATX Power Supply

Pls no bully

>>60594856
>sick of better cheaper hardware
Wew lad

>>60594856
>i would rather stick to intel, only thing i might consider would be going for a 7700k.
>im kinda sick of amd at the moment.
get a look at this faggot.
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLL!

>>60594863
plug the monitor into the graphics card and NOT the motherboard. Ryzen chips have no integrated graphics.

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>>60594856
>i would rather get weaker hardware
alright then enjoy getting 0 help

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>>60594879
Aye aye

>>60594863
could you take a picture with everything in there?

>>60594863
Does the computer boot and is it the monitor that just doesn't get signal?

>>60594865
>>60594866
the PC that just died was my third amd workstation.

overheating, cpu freezes constantly when doing anything in ableton. droping just a simple reverb on an audio track would up the CPU temperature by 10C.
don't even get me started on the AMDs graphic drivers

umm yeah, i think im gonna stick to intel for now.
anyone who uses ableton and AMD is constantly bitching about problems, i don't want any of this anymore

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>>60594915
Like this?

>>60594922
Yes, as far as I can tell

>>60594927
>don't even get me started on the AMDs graphic drivers
What problems are you even talking about?

>umm yeah, i think im gonna stick to intel for now.
Why do you come here to ask for our advice if you don't want to listen to it and think you know better?

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>>60594879
Alright, I put the Graphic card in and plugged the HDMI cable from my monitor into the graphic card...

>>60594951
Have you tried another display cable or another port (DVI / HDMI /DP / VGA) for both the screen and GPU?

Do the GPU fans start spinning? CPU fan?

>>60594988
Try reseat the ram in the next over slot.

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>>60594988
>trying

>>60595001
I have tried from DVI to DVI and because that didn't work from DVI to HDMI

>>60595032
Plug in the little speaker thing, or if the case has a built in speaker.
It should give you diagnostic beeps.

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>>60595001
The fans of GPU and CPU start spinning, as you can see
>>60595015
Okay, I will try

>>60594927
There are no problems with AMD Graphics drivers. Everyone's been praising them.

>muh overheating
Ryzen is all new you fucking faggot. Even under full load, they never go above 70 degrees C.

Try not living in 2012. This isn't the FX chips. The new Ryzen chips are the best CPUs available at the moment.

Why is nothing on sale?!?!?!? I need a new gpu and the 1080 and 1070 are still stupidly overpriced

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>>60595058
Case has an HDAudio I have plugged in..
>>60595015
I moved the ram into the second slot

>>60594987
>Why do you come here to ask for our advice if you don't want to listen to it and think you know better?
because i need advice on the fucking mobo, and not switching to AMD which would seriously suck for my intended use!

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>>60595015
Trying

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>>60595118
It's this little speaker, hd audio is for your front speaker/mic jack.

The ram isn't on the official supported RAM list, so that could be the problem. You don't know anybody with some ddr4 RAM? To make sure that's not the problem?
If that is the problem it'll be annoying for a while, until AMD and mobo manufacturers releases microcode for better RAM support.

>>60595130
>having more cores and more power.
>seriously suck for my intended use.
You're a dumb one aren't you

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>>60595150
So I have good news and bad news...

>>60595130
>switching to AMD which would seriously suck for my intended use!
We're telling you Intel would suck more for your intended use.

>>60595184
This is good news
You got a bootable USB in there?

>>60595184
So now you're getting visual at least?

I assume you don't have windows installed on that HDD, right?
You'll need to have the windows install USB, plug it in, and then press delete during BIOS. Then go into BIOS, change the first boot priority to the USB stick, then save&exit, and it'll boot into the windows installer.

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>>60595184
I think the problem that I was looking for was indeed with the RAM... I was worried I was being so rough and didn't want to snap the new motherboard in half, that I just did not push hard enough until it clicked...
>>60595198
>>60595202
Gonna have to say I don't have a USB on me chief. Let me dig around a bit, maybe I'll find something useful...

>>60595184
This is good news.
restart it and keep pressing delete on the keyboard to enter the bios.

>>60595239
You're not gonna be able to install windows without a windows CD or USB installer
If windows is already installed on one of your hard drives then plug it in and it can boot onto it though

>>60595239
if you have access to another computer plug in a 4gb or more USB stick in and download the Windows 10 tool for free onto it from Microsofts website. This will install windows 10 and you can activate it later.

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>>60595239
And of course I do not have a DVD reader handy...

So I'll do what you said and download the windows 10 OS on a stick with my old PC and see if I can install it that way...

>>60595299
>see if I can install it that way...
Well yes you can, that's how most people do it because no one ever buys a cd reader, you included
Also, what you posted are just drivers, you ain't gonna install windows with those.

>>60595299
Here. This video will help. there's links in the description including to the Windows 10 installation tool on Microsoft's website.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpqkiaO7q4

>>60595299
>>60595317
>>60595329
Thank you guys: I really appreciate the help! I'll get back to you on the installing windows 10 as soon as I have it

>>60595174
no but i think you might be.
I can get a latence in Ableton of 30-50ms on most intel cpu, even the super old ones.
While on Ryzen it'll be 180 to 760+ ms.
WHICH IS COMPLETLY FUCKING TERRIBLE

>>60595445
>While on Ryzen it'll be 180 to 760+ ms.
How can you tell?

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>>60595465
because i acutally do work with Ableton and know people who use Ableton too (on both AMD & NVIDIA parts).

and LITERALLY everyone using AMD needs to make workarounds to get usuable latency times.

so, back to my original question
>>60594752
All my audio runs through a USB sound interface & i had some problems with my old motherboard - when moving bigger date files the audio would get distorted.

Any recommendations on MOBO, or tips for the case?
PLZ DON'T FUCKING TELL ME TO HOP ON THE RYZEN FANTRAIN, RYZEN DOESNT WORK FOR ABLETON

>>60595551
Get an external pcie USB 3.0 card, motherboards integrated ports are consumer grade

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>>60595551
>people on this 7 years old architecture get bad results, so this 3 months old architecture that got praised by every reviewer must also be bad
No.

>RYZEN DOESNT WORK FOR ABLETON
Stop thinking a 7 years old architecture is the same as a 3 month old one. Pic related, although it has nothing to do with audio production, shows how wrong you are: The eight cores R7 1800x, even though lower clocked, beats the eight core FX-8350 by a whopping 140% performance increase in x264. And what you are doing right now is claiming both perform the same, and both are the same.
They aren't. Again, we know better than you.

So i've been working on this ryzen build for 2 months while gathering the cash and i'm in a rather big dillemma considering the conflicting information i've been reading on this subject online.

So, i plan to run this ryzen 5 1600 on stock cooler for as high as it can safely overclock but also plan to invest in a good cooler in the future to get the maximum out of my cpu.

My original build had an Asrock AB350 Gaming K4 as the motherboard paired with a 2x8gb G.Skill TridentZ 16GB DDR4-3200MHz and a gpu which would be one of the 1070/1080/580/vega.

What i've been reading around is that a b350 board while it will do overclocking fine if i want to push the clocks higher with a good cooler i should get a x370 board.

However i don't need any of the extra features of the x370 boards but i am anxious about ram support at high speeds as well.

My question essentially is, should i look into x370 boards? If so which one is the best cheapest one of the bunch? Will b350 do fine for ram overclocking to 3200(maybe 3600 in the future) and cpu overclocking to 4.0+ghz while paired with an overclocked high-end gpu? If so which b350 mobo has the best vrm and is generally the best quality with least issues of the bunch? Been hearing MSI/Gigabyte has been having several issues and Asus low end motherboards are of poor quality which is why i've picked Asrock.

Also if any budget builder that gotten his ram running at 3200mhz on his b350 motherboard, please post your build, the memory qvls of asrock and asus only have overpriced 2x8gb ram running at 3200mhz at the moment. Would really appreciate getting everything working well once i get the parts home.

>>60595677
tackling some things in no particular order.

1: not sure about other boards, but the Asus Prime AB350 Plus motherboard supports 3200 mhz ram.

2: generally, a B350 board can overclock to around 3.9/4.0 ghz with a proper cooler. X370 boards can get to 4.1 or 4.2 depending on the CPU and cooler, but it isn't a huge difference.

I would still go B350. I'd only go X370 if I wanted to run SLI or Crossfire.

>>60595655
>Pic related, although it has nothing to do with audio production
Exactly, it has nothing to do with audio production.
Now fuck off with your benchmarks, they mean nothing.

A good friend of mine, who does mostly video editing and gaming, but also fucks around in Ableton as a hobby - got on Ryzen 2 months ago and it works well. For everything BUT ABLETON!
MIDI tends to be a bit better, but audio signal latency sucks ass.

Now, will you kindly fuck off with your Ryzen? I get it, the CPU is good. But not for my use. If i wouldn't be using the computer 90% of the time for Ableton i might consider going Ryzen/Nvidia. But because i mainly use it for Ableton, and the rest (3D stuff in Cinema 4D, PS/Indesign, Games) are just side projects/hobby stuff.

I just need a fucking reliable MOBO that won't fuck up my my outgoing audio when i transfer files over USB

why do people go more than 600W when they're just running a single card?

>>60595750
No, that's wrong

both x370 and b350 boards have no difference in overclock

the limiting factor is the vrm's, if they reach 125C they fail

But you won't reach 125C on even the shittiest vrm's on the shittest b350 motherboard because ryzen's power draw is so low.

You do not need an absurdly expensive x370 board for overclocking. The only reason to get x370's is build quality in other areas and the larger selection of i/o

>>60595759
>got on Ryzen 2 months ago and it works well. For everything BUT ABLETON!
Then you could've said that from the start instead of being a retard and doing the usual "hurr durr AMD is bad" and wasting everyone's time in the process

>>60595812
PSU's are most efficient at about half of their rated draw. Which means for a 300W system you'll want about 600W PSU for efficiency's sake

Also I was checking for PSU's and a lot of 500 - 550W PSU's are either only $10 cheaper, or they're actually more expensive than 600 - 650W PSU's, so no shit I'll go with the higher rated ones when they're the same or lower price.

>>60595812
They think they're investing for the future while being ignorant
to the fact that after looking at the hardware advancement of
the past couple of years it is apparent that going forward pcs
are going to use less and less wattage.

>>60595846
>>60594927
>>60594927
>>60594927
>>60594927

>>60595888
Precisely what i was talking about when saying
>being a retard and doing the usual "hurr durr AMD is bad"
Doesn't help that your second message included
>im kinda sick of amd at the moment
either.

>>60595888
You just said AMD, not Ryzen. AMD has not been competitive for the last 5 years, which is how long they spent developing Ryzen.

All you did was spout the usual "hurrr AMD is bad"

What to consider when building a nas?
Googling it literally comes out to: buy a finished one. I don't want that.
What obstacles did you face when building your own?

>>60594927
amd fx series and radeon graphics in general are the top tier of garbage but ryzen is pretty good from what i've seen. i'm planning on getting a 1600 and a gtx 1070 soon. hopefully i don't encounter these problems.

>>60596082
>radeon graphics in general are the top tier of garbage
Bullshit. They're behind in term of powerfulness (they have nothing to compete with the GTX 1080, Ti & Titan), but they are in no way shit.

>>60595904
>>60595920
Sorry guys, but i've been explaining this to a lot of people since my PC died and i thought i wrote it earlier on.

Anyway
>X99-A II
>X99-E-10G WS
or something else?

Why doesn't anyone booby-trap their pc's anymore?

>>60596096
they actually are. the fact they had to re-release the 480 as a 580 just because they don't have a dynamic overclocking utility like gpu boost says a lot. even the overclocked 580 still gets beaten in many games and is on average the same as the older 1060 simply because the 1060 can boost all the way to 2ghz without any user interference. their tech is mad outdated. also the 580 uses as much peak power as a 1080 ti. i would consider this shit.

if it's cheaper then i guess you can say you are doing a trade off for similar performance but much worse game support (amd is factually worse for indies) and power consumption, but in most of the world amd is more expensive. literally the reason they have jack shit marketshare. it's not because of brand loyalty like most people claim.

>>60595955
Configuring the OS to work as a file server, formatting the drives, and planning capacity in advance of actually purchasing drives (if you want to use a file system like ZFS, you need to buy all the drives you'll ever need at once because it won't allow you to add singular drives to the array and rebuilt).

You don't really need anything more powerful than a Celeron J3355, but if you can't afford to have a single corruption issue from reading files from the disk to the memory, then you'll have to purchase any motherboard with Rangeley, Avoton, or Denverton Atom SoCs. They support ECC RAM (unlike AM1 which only one particular board could support ECC, and even then it's debatable whether or not the ECC is able to do its job properly with consumer Kabini). I'd say avoid AM1 or embedded AMD APUs, since they're non-competitive, outdated, and use more power on the whole compared to Apollo Lake, Braswell and Bay Trail.

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>>60596208
>they had to re-release the 480 as a 580 just because they don't have a dynamic overclocking utility like gpu boost says a lot
What? How so?
They just did silicons improvements and needed some money so they re-released it, it has nothing to do with dynamic overclocking utility

>also the 580 uses as much peak power as a 1080 ti. i would consider this shit.
Just because it's not as efficient doesn't mean it's shit in any regards. It's just Nvidia being great at power efficiency, the RX 580 isn't a housefire by any means and nowhere close to be.

>their tech is mad outdated.
Is this why the GCN architectures shines more in newer APIs? Because it's outdated? This doesn't make any sense.

>>60596131
>Implying my old case isn't a booby trap for neo/g/-pcmastericers
You'd be bleeding in no time.

>>60596292
GCN uses brute force to achieve similar levels of performance as much more advanced Kepler, Maxwell, and Pascal architecture. I think they have much more parallel compute multi-staged pipelines, which causes much of GCN's power inefficiency, since Maxwell and Pascal streamlines the compute part of their architecture into much fewer and less complex (and consequently faster and less power-hungry) pipelines.

GCN is old crap based on the same philosophy that the Bentium 4 :DDDDD was maligned for.

>>60596292
you do realize that they released the 580 not because of "the money" but because the 480 was starting to fall behind the 1060 right? it was literally their way of taking on the gpu boost of the 1060. you really think they would have released a 580 if they had a gpu boost which could auto clock the 480 from 1266 to 1400 mhz? there is literally no difference between the 480 and 580 aside from the clocks.

and you talk about power efficiency like it's ok. amd have made basically no improvements to this. iirc the 380 last gen used as much power as a 980

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>>60596382
>amd have made basically no improvements to this.
What? Of course they did, the R9 290x/390x uses 50% more power than the RX 580 yet gets outperformed by it by 7%.
And an RX 580 can be downvolted to far beyond what the RX 480 can yet achieve similar or higher clocks.

>>60592784
so the RX 570 4GB has significantly inferior performance to the 8GB on 1080p gaming?

>>60596429
If it happens to be VRAM starved yes, but in order for it to be starved you'd have to find a game that manage to use over 4GB of VRAM and at that point you'd probably need to drop a few settings to achieve constant 60fps throughout all the game anyway.

What's a cheap, non complete-garbage brand for a keyboard?

Would it be worth spending $160 on an Asus Z170-P motherboard & Be Quiet Pure Rock cooler, especially since I don't have a K-series Skylake at the moment, and factoring in how the potential of a sale on one being relatively low for now? Is there a way to BCLK overclock on Skylake still? Because I could get an i3 clocked a bit higher for a while, and then get a 6600k/6700k when need be.
Currently, I only have 400 kangaroobux, and already have a power supply, hard drive, SSD, case, and graphics card, and got laid off work so no chance at earning money for a few weeks.

>>60596419
Not that guy, but while what you're saying is true that's still incredibly disappointing. Almost nobody will upgrade from a 290X because a RX 480/580 uses less power and performs 7% better. Nobody will really give a shit about that. Power savings are only ever interesting in a full-size desktop component if they can be converted into more performance.

>>60595759
>Now, will you kindly fuck off with your Ryzen
Oh, man, don't you know where you are? This is literally amd shilling central. Even r/amd is not shilling this hard. If you actually want to build a system without ryzen, you should go ask advice somewhere else. Somewhere people are not eating any shit amd makes.

>>60596499
>Don't stay here because i disagree with what i said.

>>60596464
>>60554154

How do you guys deal with plugging in the power cords to your GPU? Isn't it awkward?

>>60596579
No?
Removing it is annoying because it demands some uncomfortable amount of force but plugging it is pretty simple

How do i escape the g-sync if i want gtx 1080ish performance
but don't wanna wait until august for a graphics card +100euros
more expensive because for whatever reason they price them like
that here, rx 580 costs 340 fucking euros.
2560x1440 ips g-sync monitors literally make me tear up.

>>60596609
>How do i escape the g-sync if i want gtx 1080ish performance
Get a Freesync monitor and grab one of the AMD Vega cards when they release in a few weeks

>>60596609
just buy the 1080 ti, a big screen tv with low latency (like ones recommended for consoles) and use nvidia fast sync. that's exactly what i did and it's the best decision ever. why would you want to overpay for a gsync ips monitor or own the trash that are cheap freesync 24inch TN panels?

>>60596609
Computex in 4 days, more talks about Vega

Max CPU cooler clearance at 160 mm. I want to be able to overclock a 1600X at least a little bit. What are the reasonable options?

What do you nuggas think
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w6FR9W

Looking for a good computer under $1,000 for gaymin and other tasks, have most of the peripherals and the cooler is included with the 1600. Where can I shuffle money around on it? My bet is probably skimping on RAM to get a 1600x.

>>60596637
>when they release in a few weeks
I swear i'll shoot somebody if they delay it again at computex.
>>60596672
>1080ti
way over budget also i already have a big 40inch tv as a monitor
and want to use that for media while i use a QHD monitor at 90+ fps
which i consider it being the sweetspot for gaming

>>60596712
>spends $1000 on a pc
>gets a shit budget card like a 580

get a 1070 or don't get anything at all. no one in their right mind would spend that much on a pc and get a peasant gpu like that.

>>60596733
>$250
>budget card

>>60596719
you can still use that 40 inch as your monitor with a 1080. downsample if you want that extra image refinement and use fast sync. you won't regret it. i'm certainly not. i still get idiots telling me i should have got a 480 and a freesync panel over my 1070 and my 32 inch LED tv. the retards can't even beat me in a 1v1 on cs:go with their "muh 144 ef pee ess" shitty freesync monitors.

>>60596712
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/w6FR9W
Well for that resolution you might as well as get an rx 570 4gb
and buy a better quality monitor with the money you save.

You can probably also step down to a 550W psu if you get a
570 4gb.

Consider mATX motherboard and case to save an additional
~50$ you really aren't losing any performance by doing that.

Get an ssd with the money you save and buy hdd later on.

>inb4 reddit formating.

>>60596777
The thing is that a 1080 can't 4k at 60fps and using it at a 1080p res on a 60hz monitor is a waste.

>>60596733
Is the 580 that bad? I thought the OP says its pretty good..

>>60596789
Honestly the monitor was a placeholder until I figure out my monitor situation because I might just have one lying around somewhere. I am planning to run games at 1920x1080p if it helps suggesting though.

And will a mATX board throttle RAM/OC performance? Any suggestions? PC Part Picker says the MSI B350M is good

>>60596812
>Is the 580 that bad? I thought the OP says its pretty good..
It's not, he's just sperging out because you didn't put a GTX 1070 in there which would require to do big changes in the build in order to fit in a $1000 budget

>>60596803
well what res is your tv?

if it's 4k you can lower the resolution to like 1800p and it'll still look pretty crisp. nvidia's up/downsampling tech is top notch. also if it's a 1080p screen you can just downsample like i said to get that extra image quality refinement and you can run without vsync off with nvidia fast sync and play at high fps with absolutely 0 screen tearing, my current screen is a 1080p60 TV but it has fantastic image quality due to the high quality samsung panel and also their LED tech. i can play games like battlegrounds at over 100 fps on average, no screen tearing with nvidia fast sync, and also see people way further away than my friends who play on shitty 24 inch TN freesync panels.

>>60596812
>I am planning to run games at 1920x1080p if it helps suggesting though.
If you plan to play at 60fps rx 570 4gb is the way to go.
>And will a mATX board throttle RAM/OC performance?
No it won't
>Any suggestions?
Asrock b350 mATX pro4 if you don't mind delay on bios updates but more safe
considering they don't rush risky updates that might brick your motherboard.
MSI B350M Mortar for instant 3200mhz ram support but issue with slow boot up
which should be fixed soon but no info on such update atm.

>>60596812
if you're going to have a $1000 initial budget then you have to prioritize the two main components which are the gpu and cpu. get the best ones you can for your budget and leave all the other luxury peripherals like ssd's or extra ram for later upgrades. all build guides on the net will tell you your gpu should cost around a 3rd of your initial budget to get the best value out of your initial budget. a 1070 at ~$350 is almost spot on (333 is a 3rd of 1000). these people will still tell you to buy a shit gpu for your budget the sake of suiting their amd fanboyism. even logicalincrements recommends 1 gtx 1070 or 1080 for a 1000 dollar build.

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

>>60596849
Mine is samsung too 1080p 40inch curved, could've just paid 60$+ for 4k but
i was planing on using this monitor mainly for console gaming and pirated
movies which all the ones i have are not 4k.

>>60594410
>randomgamingHD
Love that guy

I can find similar deals on ebay/gumtree so maybe I'll try my luck there with bundles or something.
Thanks anon.

>>60596935
well i'd personally just buy the pc i want, 1080 or whatever gpu you wanted, and use it on the tv to see if i like the experience or not. if you do end up feeling its a good experience you can save yourself from the Just Wait™ meme and also potentially save yourself from paying extra for a new monitor since you already have the tv.

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>>60596910
>http://www.logicalincrements.com/
no. Not those shills.

>>60597050
they might be out for the money but their recommendations aren't exactly bad. they have a good baseline for all the price points.

>>60595677
>>60595750

Okay so this isn't the EXACT item on ASrock's QVL list, but it almost is.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820236038&Tpk=N82E16820236038 ($126 at the moment on promotion sale)

What makes it different is that the above is

CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W

While the version that's listed on the QVL is

CMK32GX4M4B3200C16 and nothing else.

Does that mean I'm playing with fire if I still get the ram in the first link? Haven't really overclocked before other then some gpu/fan stuff via one of those manufactuer's OC programs. Also wondering if I'm voiding warranties just because its not the EXACT item on the QVL list.

>>60597099
Ah, been there done that...
To be honest there's no guarantee they'll work just because the
CMK32GX4M4B3200C16. They will work eventually tho, the AGESA
update that improves ram support is already out and up on some
boards, asrock just prefers to take their time.

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Finished my build. You'll probably shit on it, but, still, thanks for all the help in previous threads!

>>60597551
I actually ordered the non-windowed version of the case, and got this instead, btw. Don't want to wait for a replacement, so will have to sort out the cabling situation.

>>60597551
Neat. Interesting airflow decisions too. Assembled a PC for a friend using the Prodigy M and since he even wanted to include an optical drive it was quite tightly packed in the end, fun build experience though.

>>60597586
Shouldn't the CPU fan be on the other side pushing through the heatsink towards the back?

>>60592721
bent the pins on my $250 mobo im a fucking idiot

>>60597613
>>60597621

Airflow is dubious with this case. I am actually pushing air from the back through the CPU and into the PSU, then out at the bottom. Empirically it's what seems to work best.

>>60597644
ah interesting

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>>60597644
To clarify what I meant. The obvious problem is the hot air from the graphics card being sucked back in to the CPU, but I can't figure out a better arrangement.

>>60597701
why don't you make the top fan blowing up ?

>>60597741
Would work against the GPU's fans.

>>60597643
They design this on purpose so you fuck up the cpu or mobo. There's no reason for the pin design.

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Whats better for gaming?
The 1500x is cheaper and has a higher clock speed than the 1600 that has 2 more cores.
Im not planing on doing any heavy video stuff so i dont think i need the other 2 cores. What do?

>>60597752
oh i though it was a blower like on reference cards since you bent the arrow

>>60597793
The 2 cores come handy for anything sudden you might need to do while gaming and helps futureproofing a ton. If you're gonna AAA game, better take the R5 1600 to ensures never getting big FPS drops in any games.

>>60597793
the 1600 overclock fine i'm at 3.8 ghz

>>60597793
If you don't plan to overclock 1500X if you do r5 1600 100%.
The 2 extra cores can be used to have all the stuff you'll ever
want without affecting the performance at all while at a 4core cpu
AAA games will often have your cpu at near 100% usage which
means every background task you want to run will take away from
your gaming experience.

The overclocking capabilities of r5 1600 is 3.8ghz on stock (some even
got it to 4.0ghz on stock) and the r5 1500x will probably hit 4.2ghz if
paired with a good cooler.

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Get the Ryzen goyi- anon!

>>60597888
>walkingcontradiction.post

>>60597804
Well, desu I haven't tried inverting the top fan. I don't think it would work better, but experiments beat theory, so I'll try that arrangement.

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>>60597897
I7700k > Ryzen
Prove me wrong in your own words and not what you were told to say grossberg.

>>60597934
nah don't bother i didn't think of the gpu fan

>>60597888
>>60597937
this is such a contradiction. Intel are the real jews making everyone pay for slight improvements on 2011 processors

>>60597950
>slight
>no proof

>>60597979
All Intel's chips use the same architecture introduced in 2011. And their next architecture doesn't launch until 2020.

>>60597870
>>60597887
Do you guys recomend the stock cooler for overclocking the 1600 at 3.8?
Or should i buy an after market cooler?

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>>60597950
>youre contradicting the false hivemind us employees are trying to create the narrative of!

Piss off amdpesants, how pathetic of ya to need to shill on a anime board full of broke weebs.

>>60597999
mine works fine
aftermarket cooler for am4 are currently limited so i would advised to at least wait a little while if doesn't work for you

>>60598006
>says the Intel shill paid by Intel to shill inferior processors

>>60598037
>amd shills still cant say why ryzen is better other than "it just is!"

>>60598065
>still shilling 4 cores and 4 threads in 2017

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>>60598074
>m-muh more cores!
>still runs games slower

Good AM4 CPU cooler? Using 1600x btw

>>60597937
Even the R5 1600 packs more performance than the 7700k
inb4 muh higher framerate
which doesn't matter if you don't have a 144hz screen.

>>60598100
>>claims games runs slower
>5fps is somehow noticeable
>ignoring all the stuttering issues Intel has since the CPUs are always running at 90+% capacity during games

sqt doesn't exist so i'll ask here: is there a difference in picture quality between hdmi an display port connection if i'm using a 1080p ips monitor?

>>60598026
>>60597999

I bought arctic freezer 33 with push pull setup för my ryzen 1600. As it was only am4 aftermarket available here. I get close to 70 degrees with 3,95ghz and 1,38volts. Not sure if it was worth tho.

>>60598128
>>60598133
>h-higher framerates dont matter ryzen is just better!
Fuck off amd shills.

>>60597937
Easy, three words.
Performance per Dollar.
Ryzen 5 1600 budget build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4KWgyf
with focus on best performance at a budget.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yQtvQV
i7 7700k generic build, obviously it will perform
better in games but as a cpu it falls behind in
multithreaded performance and if you take the
gpus out of the equation you can clearly see the
tremendous difference in prices and how far behind
i7 7700k is when it comes in value for money builds.

Simply put the only reason for i7 7700k's existance is for gamers
that don't give a shit about where they spend their money and just
want the highest end there is in every gen(thus why i'd pair the i7
build with 1080ti). This is the only demographic. This is why we
"shill" ryzen here. Because for most people that actually build
their rigs on a budget, ryzen is the way to go.

Also your baits are "1/10 made me reply" level, only reason i even
bother is just to inform new anons around here about what is up with
current gen of cpu's. If you wish to refute me prove you can build a
i7 7700k value for money budget build and compare it with my ryzen
build from here comparing their respective performance per dollar, if
you manage to even make their distance in that catergory less than
15% i'll take everything i said here back.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R8L8qk r8 or h8

>>60598114
212 evo is on sale for $20 right now on newegg. you can get a free amd4 compatible bracket off the cooler master website

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>>60598173
>ryzen is better cuz im broke but still want premium
Gtfo poor nigger scum.

>>60598169
>st-tuttering doesn't negatively impact gaming, I swear!

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>>60598206
Woah anon, you did it, you truly exceeded my expectations.


For my reply just zoom in to the face next to the text saying "Smug anime face".


:^)

Give me one good reason why anyone should choose an i7-7700K or Ryzen 5 1600X when the Xeon E3-1240 v6 exists

Go ahead, I'll wait

>>60598220
Stuttering is a myth brought about from you amd fanboys in a poor attempt to create some boogeyman reason to say ryzen is better despite offer weaker performance in games.

>>60598150
>>60598114
Freezer 33 here too, 68 degrees is the highest I've seen while gaming @3700 MHz. Good enough for 30 € I guess. I guess there's higher end AM4 noctuas if you really want lower temps or OC-ability.

>>60598265
>i'm gonna dismiss something that someone is saying because i am a faggot who likes to partake in brand wars =)
Quite shameful.

>>60598265
>weaker performance
>bitching about 5 fps

My Radeon HD 6850 finally died. My whole build was put together in about 2012, and I'm still rocking a Phenom II. What should my next GPU be? I was mostly happy with my ancient GPU, should I just grab the RX 460 and move on with my life?

>>60598294
grab an RX470/570

>>60598280
Ive never seen anyone complain about stuttering performance other than amdfags pretending they just switched over to ryzen
>>60598281
Every last fps matters if im rending in 4k

>>60598319
>Every last fps matters if im rending in 4k
except the Ryzen chips destroy Intels when running at 4k. where the fuck have you been.
more cores = more whores

>>60598246
I could see someone picking the i7-7700K instead of the E3-1240 v6 just for the iGPU, in case they want to passtrough a dGPU and are happy using the iGPU in the host OS. Not everyone needs a dGPU either, but that crowd might be even smaller than the previously mentioned one. Overclocking might also be a reason, although I'm not up to speed with the current Xeons. 1230 Xeons were pretty nice though.

I would still pick the R5 1600 over those, considering how much cheaper it is (at least where I checked). The extra cores and thread won't hurt virtualization either.

This thread seems to forget the importance of specifying your use case when comparing the parts. Of course in most cases a high spec computer is built mainly for gaming, so it might be understandable.

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>>60598220
Fuck off, Poojeet.

>>60598350
>tom's hardware
Oh, that one website that made a list of worthwile CPU depending on price point and didn't include a single Ryzen CPU?
And even included a fucking i3 7350k in it?
Sure thing buddy

>>60598303
That's about twice the money. Is the jump worth it? I play most games medium to low anyway. The only thing I really want is 2GB VRAM for RE7

>>60598376
>i3 7350k
This thing confuses me. There's no fucking reason for it to exist.

>>60598402
They go on sale often enough close to $130. Miner fags have been buying AMD CPUs in bulk recently so right now is a bad time to buy them since minerfags inflated the prices

>>60598417
>Miner fags have been buying AMD CPUs
GPUs
fucking typo

So does spending $100+ on these AIO coolers (h100i v2, x62, etc) as opposed to just buying a good aftermarket air cooler make much of a difference on CPU temps? I plan on ocing an r5 1600 in the future and I'm just considering cooling options atm

>>60598350

I hate this fucking debate about AMD vs Intel, but come on, tom's hardware is clearly in Intel's pocket. You would have to be blind to trust them.

Seriously, Intel CPU's are fine. They are highly optimised for high clock and if you run a lot of single threaded programs, you will be fine.
Ryzen CPUs are new so they have some inconsistencies still, but they are completely fine in gaming ( most games are limited by GPU anyway) while offering huge benefits in multithreaded applications.

>>60598376
>those goyima dont accept our bribe money, dont believe them!
Sure thing kike

>>60598459
it will keep it cooler because water doesn't change temperature easily. However. Once the temperature has peaked, it will stay that hot a lot longer as opposed to cooling off really quick with an air cooler.

I'm a tech noob so don't meme me too much please. Generally speaking what is more cost effective and better in the long run:
1. Buying one high-end PC every ~5 years.
2. Buying medium tier PC and upgrading every ~2 years?

So far for the last ~15 years I have been buying pretty powerful PC's which lasted me for about 5 years. My last build involved GTX 660 (2012) which was serving me really well pretty much all the way until recently. I'm thinking of going for some good GTX 1070 now but I'm wondering is it really worth it? I'm tempted to buy some 144Hz monitor with it, but it all seems so expensive. I don't even care about playing in ultra-settings that much, but I do care about fps and play a lot of games. What is your guys stance about it?

>>60598182
still gotta pay for the shipping, 7$.

>>60598477
They recommended the i3 7350k
Defend this bullshit.

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>>60598490
Hurts dont it

What's the ideal amt of ram for a 6 core ryzen?
Is it twelve or 16?

>>60598540
not hearing any defending of the most pointless processor of the past 10 years

>>60598484

Personally, I ap sways spend big on CPU and Mainboard. In the last years, there was not really a change that was so fundamental as to warrant an upgrade (my build is from 2011).

I have once upgraded my PSU, twice upgraded my GPU, added 8GB of RAM and added some hard drives, all in small increments, so it doesn't really hit me hard financially.

So my advice is, don't gimp yourself on the Mainboard, you may want to add that [insert thingy here] down the line. Especially go for new sockets, as the chance of an upgrade in the same socket is more likely if you buy at the beginning of that sockets life cycle

>>60598459

You can get a lot better coolers for less, albeit less flashy. The coolermaster MasterLiquid (pro) series are excellent and cheap.

Bonus is not worrying about airflow for a bit more cost. Also generally quieter.

>>60598546
Depends entirely on usage.
Twelve for gaming is ideal but most people get 16 to make sure they're never RAM starved.

>>60598546
the amount of ram doesn't matter. What does matter is that it's dual channel and that it's fast. You want 2666 mhz or faster ram.
Generally a 2x4gb 8gb kit or a 2x8 16gb kit are the best options.

>>60598402
PII will bottleneck a 470/570 in a lot of games already anyway (my 1090T is limiting my 470 in most games I play). If you were happy with previous performance get a 460.

The 470 is recommended because technically it has better price/perf than the 460, but if you dont need that performance or it is bottlenecked then the value dissapears.

just report the shitposters and move on. Quality of posts is a rule.

>>60598484
Get the best CPU+Motherboard+power supply combo you can afford. Everything but those three items are easy to replace.

>>60598553
>>60598586
Hmm guys posts seems consistent with each other. So Going for good CPU + Motherboard is the proper way to go, thanks.

>>60598567
>Also generally quieter.
[citation needed]

>>60598653
it's true. Feel free to look up averages friend.
Modern AIO's are definitely quieter on average than anything but high end air coolers like the NH-D14 which costs as much as an AIO

>>60598417
>>60598581
I appreciate it guys! When I do my budgeting this month I'll see if I can afford a newer CPU, I'll grab a 470/570 if I can. If not, I'll just stick a 460 in there and go back to normal!

>>60598632
The last 10 years has seen relatively slower progress in CPUs compared to graphics, which helps make this approach attractive since high end CPUs are now lasting much longer than they once did.

Not to mention that around 2000 everything was progressing much faster so even top end parts would be struggling after 2 years.

Did i do good g?

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($220.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - B350M GAMING PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($115.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB ACX 2.0 Video Card ($144.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake - Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - BQ 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($70.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $610.92

>>60598754
That's a pretty low end GPU, an RX 470/570 would perform much better for not much more.
Otherwise yes you did great.

>>60598754
swap the motherboard for an Asrock AB350M Pro 4

>>60598754

>1050Ti

Garbage card.
Get a 470/570 or a 480/580/1060

When will the MSI rx 570 / 580 gaming become available?

>>60598488
still pretty cheap. for the saving you're getting on the cooler at $20 you're only paying $2 more than the $25 regular price. the 212 evo is one of the best budget coolers right now.

>>60598762
Not planning any gayming except for for maybe le league, DotA or Civilization
Is the 1050 really that bad?

msi 1060 vs asus 1060 both 6GB around the $250 mark.or is there a better alternative?

>>60598867
if you're playing games like that just get a 1400 to go with that 1050 ti. for arguments sake you can even get a $60 pentium and play those games perfectly fine, but that's another discussion.

in general the 1400 will be the better bet and you'll save like $100 on the build too.

>>60598867
No, but it's pretty low end which doesn't make much sense when paired with such a CPU.

>>60598754
No SSD? At least get a small one for the OS.

>>60598867
It's got terrible price performance, unlike all the cards around it.

>>60598754
PSU not great - EVGA G3 or better or look for a different brand
RAM should ideally be 2666mhz if not overclocking, or at the very least 2400.
RX 470 is better price/perf, but that doesnt necessarily mean you should buy one

>>60598910
>>60598911
>>60598924
As far as ssds go I don't mind the hassle of grabbing one later on and reformatting the drives. Hell I'm probably going to dual boot fedora with a pirated or student copy of Windows anyway.

I'm mainly planning on using this comp as more of a workstation with gayming as an added bonus.
>2 core in <current year>

Am I being silly? Would an i5 or i7 with just the iGPU with the option of adding a card later on be ideal?

>>60598994
>It's got terrible price performance

spotted the uneducated retard.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_value.html

>b-b-but it's all a lie!

>>60599026
>Would an i5 or i7 with just the iGPU with the option of adding a card later on be ideal?
For gaming, even light one (LoL / Dota / Civ), not really: the iGPU is pretty shit. And i5s are pretty meh regardless.

>>60599026
>>60599063
nah moba's run fine on the igpu. anything more than a moba will run like shit tho. i had to run cs:go at low settings to keep a locked 60 fps on my haswell igpu.

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>>60599034

>470 is listed at $209 when that's above even 1 year old launch MSRP

Please leave, 3 second google finds 470's for $160

>>60599063
Right. That's how I felt about i5s and i7s. Intel is just continuously jewing the desktop market as they keep trying to compete for a small share of mobile.
So I guess I'll opt for a better psu, mobo, faster ram and a 570.

>>60599114

You can also downgrade to a 550W PSU, as 650 is overkill for what you have.

>>60593918
do not change he has no idea what he's talking about
h110 r3.0 support kaby lake and when there is kaby lake in h110 then they support 2400

>>60599114
all for playing mobas? that's way overkill. just get the cheapest 1400 and like a 1050/rx 460. mobas generally favor nvidia hardware for whatever reason though. so does civ from what i've seen.