Website packages from your ISP

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>>60583310
This is what you actually have the choice of.

This picture is just saying what the internet MIGHT be like (scare tactics)

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>>60583310
>this is what americucks actually have to deal with

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>>60583381
>this is what americucks actually have to deal with
No it's literally not.

This is a fake picture made to show an extreme example of what the internet COULD be like without net neutrality. Now I in NO way think we should get rid of net neutrality, but Verizon does NOT fuck you over with internet like this picture implies.

I pay under $100 a month for 1gbps with a 10TB soft data cap.

>>60583310
This image has been around since like 2006.

>>60583427
This particular one is new, but there have been similar pictures made over the years various times that do the same thing.

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>>60583340
>gigabit connection
>you can't do shit with it or else you get arrested
>also data caps
why tho

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>>60583452
10TB data cap and it's a soft data cap meaning if you go over, nothing happens, unless you go over for like 3 months in a row, then they convert you to a business account because you're obviously hosting a website or some shit.

Also, you can do whatever you want with it. Use a VPN for your torrents if you dont have an access to a good private tracker. You'll still get decent speeds.

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Americans like to talk a lot of shit about Europeans but here's a shining example, once again, of how America is a shithole. I'll be enjoying my 100% free internet and rest on the fact that net neutrality will never be threatened here.

>>60583310
That's just how ISPs usually advertise tiers. Bottom is news and social media, then Music downloading and streaming, with gaming and HD streaming usually being the highest tier.

>>60583452
Because shrivelled executives old enough to have survived both world wars think of the internet in terms of cable bundles.
I am legitimately surprised we don't have an "internet license" tax like with TV.

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>europoors actually think this is real

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Lol Verizon aren't jews like that, at least not yet.

Source: Fiber

>>60583495
gay, i have fios and the fastest available speed is 150 mbps, I'm jelly.

>>60583628
Check the website, just in case, they've been doing upgrades lately depending where you live.

>>60583661
I checked again to make sure, Fios got bought out by Frontier where I am so it probably won't get upgraded anytime soon :(

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>>60583417
>implying it won't happen in the immediate future

>>60583735
I've got a two year contract that they'd be breaking if they made any major changes like that.
>>60583703
I've heard from a frontier call center employee they'll be starting their Gigabit deployment in the next year or so.

>muh net neutrality
>when this exists https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook_Zero

>>60583748
I hope you're right, I feel cheated paying the same you pay for gigabit.

>>60583748
>2 year contract
>Implying they give a fuck and wont break it anyways since its probably the only competition in your area

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>>60584066
>probably the only competition in your area
Not around here.

I can get 2gbps from comcast if I wanted. But it would cost $50 more and since I only have 1gbps network equipment half the speed would be wasted.

And before you even bring it up, no comcast does not have a data cap on their 2gbps service.

>>60583310
>lives in non NN country
>~$15/month 100GB plan (25mbps)
>get quota free access to local version of netflix because gov. don't fine them for having these kind of services
>mfw 'first worlders' still honestly believes that EVUL CORPS are going to fuck with their customers for short-sighted reasons

>>60583512

>Europe
>poor
>not America

>>60583498
Enjoy your socialism, cuck. America is a free nation that doesn't need net neutrality. Net neutrality is just another step to ending up like venezuela.

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>>60584117
>>mfw 'first worlders' still honestly believes that EVUL CORPS are going to fuck with their customers for short-sighted reasons

>>60583310
>Traditional Unlimited Data
>(up to 22gb/month)

>>60584137
>>>/pol/.

>>60584117
>>mfw 'first worlders' still honestly believes that EVUL CORPS are going to fuck with their customers for short-sighted reasons
You obviously have never dealt with Comcast.

>>60584189
/pol/ hates net neutrality because daddy trump hates it.

>>60583310
>limited websites/domains
>implying this is possible with CDN/External resources
How to spot a /v/ermin

>>60584213
Who gives a shit. If you're going to post merchants then you shouldn't be welcomed anywhere except /pol/

>>60584204
>there is only 1(one) ISP and that is Comcast
Even cardniggers knows when to spend more and invest in the smaller companies when competition is shit.
>inb4 theres only 1
Give ballpark address and I'll prove you wrong

>>60583661
Don't worry. I live in California and those niggers sold their lines to Frontier which rivals Comcast in how garbage they are.

>Before the election, anyone against net neutrality was an evil shifty kike
>Now that trump hates net neutrality, anyone for it is an evil shifty kike.
The cult of personality is real.

>>60583417
>Verizon does NOT fuck you over with internet
>I pay under $100 a month for 1gbps with a 10TB soft data cap.
Got this for 40€ with no cap + free phone + free tv (including paid channel)
$100 is way way way too much

>>60584312
Compare it to literally ANYWHERE in the US or Canada and tell me it's a bad price.

No one gives a fuck about europe where your whole country could fit itself and 3 neighbors inside texas alone.

>>60584312
>/g/ still don't get that internet prices is highly dependent on population density or potential costumer/km cables
I really hope you're from /v/

>>60584300
>/g/ is one person

>>60584366
Even encyclopedia dramatica that hates kikes and leftism was promoting net neutrality. You clearly weren't here for when it because the entire internet supported it and you got called an ISP kike shill if you hated it.

>>60584328
>Compare it to literally ANYWHERE in the US or Canada and tell me it's a bad price.
Its still shit, the United Shitholes of America are the perfect example of what you shouldn't do if you respect your citizens.
Even your companies/gvt hate you and can't stop trying to milk you at every occasion.
$100 is too much, stop trying to justify it, they are no reason to charge that much.

>>60584349
This is not how it work in first world countries, people have rights and companies can't fuck them as they want

>>60584402
>everyone I know thinks so
>therefore everyone else in the internet must also think that way
Ok, ISP kike shill

>>60584493
You obviously weren't here a few years ago kid.

>>60584482
>still too retarded to understand
Hundreds of miles of fiberoptics don't build and maintain itself retard.
Of course Internet is cheaper in Europe and East Asia than say Australia and North America, there are a lot more potential customers per miles of cable and thus lower the cost of service.

Damn, they don't lie when they say /spg/ would bring cancers like this who don't even understand the most basic thing about the internet.

>>60583381
Fuck No

>>60583310 is just a bitch

>>60584482
>of what you shouldn't do if you respect your citizens
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

Are Australian citizens not being respected? They're fucked over even more because they dont have much population density outside of the major cities.

>>60584527
>newfag trying this hard too fit in
Its alright anon, I believe you've been here more than a month ago.

>>60584590
Stop LARPing kid.

>>60583417
net """""neutraility""""" is just a peering issue between isps and few corps that want a free ride while using 2/3 of total US bandwidth

>>60584550
Is it too hard to understand that european ISPs can put the money while not buttfucking users?
Yes it costs money to maintain the network and ISPs do it without any problems AND without exorbitant prices.

>>60584587
>What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
US companies ripping off US citizens is normal? Shouldn't they try to steal money elsewhere instead?
Internet access is a constitutional right in some european countries and some are working on it meanwhile US ISPs want to steal even more money from their own proud citizens. How can you even defend a country like that...

Yeah, not going to happen. Too many businesses rely on the internet, it'd be an eternal legal battle to try to extort money from them or black them out.

>>60584704
Do you KNOW how much it costs to lay fiber....?

Currently you're looking at ~$12,000 for 1/3rd of a mile if nothing tricky needs to be done.

For a country the size of the US to have nationwide fiber you'd be paying trillions, not just billions trillions of dollars, and you'd have to spend the next 2 decades fucking over the cities with stupid high prices to subsidize the cost to the rural areas that have NO profitability.

>>60584704
>retard still don't get how business/money works
Hint: Subscribing to an ISP is voluntary deal. Those EVUL ISPs can't 'steal' from anyone unless they agrees to.

>inb4 ISP monopoly in my area
Give your ballpark address and I'll prove you wrong.

>>60584300
Years ago there weren't a lot of normies hogging bandwidth by watching 4k netflix in their 720p screens.
Those usage costs shouldn't be passed down to every ISP's subscribes that may or may not use netflix, those should be passed to netflix itself in which they would pass them down to the their 4k users.

>>60584941
If you don't understand the internet you should probably just lurk for a while. Try to learn the basics before you jump in making a fool of yourself.

>>60584312
We don't have data caps here, nor do we receive letters for piracy.

I pay $60 per mo for uncapped fibre Internet (1Gbps/1Gbps) here.

>>60585739
>I pay $60 per mo for uncapped fibre Internet (1Gbps/1Gbps) here.
pics or it didnt happen :^)

>>60584941
No, if people use too much data they should be charged more by their ISP.
Anything else is retarded, sorry.

>>60585866
The problem isn't people using too much data, the problem is people using too much data from a select few sources.

There is NOT enough traffic to congest their entire network, the traffic is being congested at the points where it goes to netflix, youtube, or other major players.

For example Comcast has plenty of backbone bandwidth to supply everyone with every stream they want simultaneously. But the server that sits between comcast's backbone, and google/youtube servers can only allow a certain amount of traffic per second and a certain number of connections per second If this gets saturated, it doesn't matter how much bandwidth comcast has at their disposal, the interconnect is clogged.

The solution is either force the ISPs to pay for better internode connections and just tell them to nut up and swallow the costs, or tell these few big players, netflix, youtube, etc to nut up and pay for the better interconnection since it's THEIR traffic that is bottlenecking everything, not anyone else.

>>60585919
That's not how the internet works.
Where on earth did you come up with that nonsense?

All data between ISP's passes through IXP's (internet exchange point).
For your ISP it doesn't matter there the data comes from, it just has to transfer it between an IXP and your home.

Companies like Google and Netflix already pay for the connection between their servers and the IXP.

>>60586046
...Where are you from?


The US internet backbone is essentially run by a handful of companies, in the US it's Level 3 Communications, Cogent, and GTT.

When Comcast, or Verizon, or whoever wants to connect to the "internet" they connect through one of these 3 companies. When you connect to youtube, you connect to your local ISPs central office, which then connects to their backbone, which connects to someone like Level 3 who routes your traffic to google.

If the interconnect locally between level 3 and your ISP is congested with youtube only traffic, then you have a LOT of traffic going to one place.

Who pays to upgrade this interconnect? Your ISP? Level 3 communications who's server it technically is? Or youtube who is the customer requiring that level of traffic?

It's not as black and white as you're pretending it is.

>>60585198
>>60585866
>these faggots in charge of logic
I'll assume you're not actually retarded and just miss what I'm referring to.

What I'm talking about is ISP's unlimited plans, a normal user who don't watch 4k videos on netflix have a certain amount of average usage rate.
ISP's uses that figure to come up with an unlimited plan for everyone, knowing that the average usage of the average subscriber would even out the heavy users.

When 4K content is a thing, and every normies watches them everyday, the average usage rises hard, leaving the ISP to charge more (or unable to lower charge rates) on their unlimited plans.
Now, what should be the solution is these ISP's should charge netflix for their user's bandwidth usage, and then let netflix pass the costs to people who actually uses their 4K services.

>>60586177
I think a more appropriate solution would be to institute a prime time use data cap.

From 5pm-11pm daily you're limited to 1TB per month.

The rest of the day and night should be uncapped.

This prevents congestion during peak hours.

Once the fiber is laid the cost is already been paid, there is no reason to limit how much people can download as long as they're doing it on off peak hours.

It costs your ISP literally pennies on the terabyte to transfer data through their network it doesn't cost them basically anything. The only issue arises if you have too much usage during peak hours where everyone gets slowed down because there is simply too much traffic, which if you implement a time based data cap you can easily make it a non-issue.

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>>60583340
>tfw no FiOS in my area despite living in a huge and developed area of South Florida
>tfw I pay $70/mo for 80mbps down

>>60586095
>...Where are you from?

Netherlands.

If the connections between the IXP's in your country are so shit you have a lot more to worry about.
It's not where the bulk of the costs or the technical difficulties come from.
It's only a couple of (big) lines, compared to hundreds of millions of personal connections.

Also it still doesn't matter one bit what the content is, data is data.
Especially since big companies don't have one server, they have dozens or even hundreds spread all over the world.
Netflix probably has a dedicated proxy server for every city in the US.

>>60586177
>people watching Game of Thrones need to pay for muh anime.

No.
Everybody should pay the same for the same amount of data.
This is the only fair way.

>>60586271
>Netherlands.
lol fuck off, we're talking about completely different things.

The interconnects for L3 and google are huge MX2020 40Tbps routers and shit. And they're being fully saturated by traffic.

The solution is to throw more servers up, but the investment costs here aren't chump change, we're talking $30,000+ in equipment easily. And this is just at a single exchange.


The US's nationwide fiber backbone is MUCH more advanced than the netherlands, sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about in this case.

>>60586238
Sure, that is one solution I know have worked with some ISPs where I lived.

But those solutions aren't really popular as it compromises the users' convenience.

Passing the bill to the content providers won't even require the users to know what is happening, much less change their usage styles.

>>60586308
>what is unlimited plan
>reading comprehension
Unless you're arguing that unlimited plans should be dropped entirely, then you are just simply retarded.

>>60586271
>comparing backbone architecture in 41,000km2 country with a 9,834,000km2 one
wew lag shiggy diggy

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>>60586324
>The US's nationwide fiber backbone is MUCH more advanced than the netherlands

Ha

HA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHJAHAHJAHAHAHAHA

No, kid, no.
America's """"backbone"""" is pathetic.
Keep trying though, while I will be laughing at your sad attempt at internet.

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>>60586377

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>>60586377
>>60586419

>>60586338
>Unless you're arguing that unlimited plans should be dropped entirely

They should either charge more to lower the number of unlimited users and have more money to invest in upgrades.
Or indeed they should just get rid of them.

The problem is ISP's trying to sell something they cannot deliver.
If I opened a shop with unlimited ice cream for $1 a month but I'm always out of ice cream then I need to re-think my business case, not try to get around it by making some other company pay for it.

>>60586419
>>60586424
>muh many tiny IXP's

AMS-IX alone is bigger than all American IXP's combined.

>>60584245
good goy

>>60586446
>muh dutch infrastructures
Texas alone is bigger than eleven(11) Netherlands combined.

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>>60586469
So is Zimbabwe

Stay 3rd world, Amerifat.
And I sincerely hope your get raped in the ass by your ISP - you deserve it.

>>60584133
> America is a free nation
Ahahahah, oh shit.
Do you even know what does "freedom" means?

>>60586446
Lol yeah because you're a good routing point for Europe, that doesn't mean shit besides you had other people investing for reasons other than your own countries interests.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_exchange_points_by_size

The Netherlands is involved with the 2nd largest, and a few other small ones. The US is involved with the largest, the 3rd largest, the 8th largest, 12th largest, 19th largest, 24th largest, 27th largest, 31st largest, etc etc etc


And not to fucking mention, the bid disclaimer at the top.
>This list is not exhaustive, as it includes only exchanges willing to make traffic data public on their website. Particularly data of IXPs from the United States and China is hard to come by

>>60586446
why not educate yourself

http://drpeering.net/a/Internet-Peering-Playbook/Second-Edition/Source/HTML_IPP/chapters/ch12-9-US-vs-European-Internet-Exchange-Point/ch12-9-US-vs-European-Internet-Exchange-Point.html

>>60586426
>false analogy
Would have been more accurate if the company being charged (netflix) is actively exchanging their popular services with a particular flavor of ice creams from your shop.
And your the ice owner's choice of action was to deny ice cream (internet access) of the particular flavor because of traffic limits, or charge netflix so that he doesn't have to bother their customers.

>>60584245
You have to go back

>>60586514
>i lost the argument so your stoopid
Good talk.

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hi there, just checking in with my $20 unlimited lte hotspot on AT&T.

if anyone else wants to know how to get one, let me know. it's very simple.

>>60583452
it's been so long since I've seen Marie Rose not in animated porn

>>60586572
how

>>60586534
My country invested heavily in internet infrastructure early on because we saw the huge potential.
While your country was literally being retarded.

>involved with
That mean nothing.

#1 is Frankfurt.
#2 is Amsterdam.
#3 is London.
Having a little cuck line to Frankfurt doesn't make you part of it.

>>60586254
It's because Verizon sold you guys off to Frontier in order to fund the upgrades they made in the north east for gigabit.

We're reaping the benefits of your sacrifice, thank you.

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>>60583495
>because you're obviously hosting a website or some shit.
>isn't allowed to host a website without a business plan

>>60586625
Good job ignoring the rest of it where the article you first brought up(>>60586377) literally says finding traffic data for US IXPs is very difficult because they don't release the information.


If you truly think your country of 17,000,000 people has a larger fiber backbone than the US, a country of 320,000,000 people, you're actually retarded.

>>60586657
well considering they give you a dynamic IP address anyway, you're not gonna have much luck to begin with.

>>60586592
go to an AT&T corporate store, and tell them you want to sign up for the $20 connected car unlimited plan. they will give you a ZTE mobley. Next order this (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01L8CEDBU/) which is an obdii power supply for the mobley, which will let you power it over AC. grab an asus ac-1900, and plug the microusb cable into the side of the mobley; disable auto dns in the WAN settings on the asus router, and set it to 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. Congratulations; you now have unlimited lte home internet for 20 bucks a month

>>60583906
>65% of Nigerians, 61% of Indonesians, and 58% of Indians agree with the statement that "Facebook is the Internet"

>>60586663
>If you truly think your country of 17,000,000 people has a larger fiber backbone than the US, a country of 320,000,000 people, you're actually retarded.

We're basically the internet hub for Europe and the rest of the world.

Many big data centers are located here because we have much better connectivity than pretty much any place on earth.
Although Frankfurt is a serious competitor.

I feel like the anons discounting the picture don't understand that it's totally plausible. Just because the picture is about Verizon doesn't mean it can't apply to be shit like AT&T. And the only reason they aren't doing it now is because the cannot, by law. They will absolutely do it if they discard NN, because Telecom companies have 0 morals. Don't underestimate them. Shit changes fast, you guys don't know how quick things can get fucked.

>>60584245
If you're going to get this triggered by an image you don't belong on 4chan

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>>60586713
If only AT&T LTE wasn't garbage at my house.

Oh well, 1gbps fiber internet for $80 aint bad.

>>60586777
still, grab the hotspot while you can for car wifi

>>60586796
yeah i'm still thinking about it.

According to online tool no stores in my area have stock of the ZTE Mobley. Is it discontinued?

>>60586809
none of them have it in stock because it's an under the table promotion. when you go there, they will order it from corporate and ship it to your house. with the two year contract its free; or at least it was for me. they shipped it to me in 3 days.

>>60586826
Sweet, thanks for the info. I'll head to a corporate store next chance I get.

>>60586629
This makes sense actually. Everyone in that region of the USA is either unemployed or homosexual and needs maximum bandwidth to download faggot porn all day

>>60586841
Actually it's because we have money and good population density.

At least where I live, we're in the top 15 richest counties in the nation. And several neighboring areas are as well.

Wealthy + high population density, and we're surrounded by tech industry, defense contractors, and 3 letter agencies. Yeah, we have good internet.

>>60584312
Could be 20€ without the >free phone and >free tv

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>>60586713

I use one of these with unlimited 4G to provide internet for 4 employees at my office.

Assuming that car thing has a normal SIM card you can take out, wouldn't this be a simpler fix?

>>60586898
they get pissy if you remove the sim from the original device

>>60586742
>limiting website/domain access when CDN/External resources is pervasive is possible
Sasuga /g/

>>60586865
Yeah dude, Palm Beach County, where one of Trump's most expensive resorts is, is totally poor.

>>60587030
It's the population density and the ratio to poor vs wealthy.

Not to mention lack of any real major enterprise or government level customers.

Around here we have Booze-allen hamilton, Northrup Grumman, Lockheed martin, NASA, NSA, CIA, DHS, NIST, NIH, Pentagon, etc, etc, etc.

The greater Washington DC metro area all the way up to NYC and even up to Boston is essentially an endless sea of suburbs and cities, so yeah. Verizon spent the money to build out their fiber network in the area of the country where it was going to provide the biggest return on investment.

>>60587129
You forgot Richmond, we got it too
Fuck florida

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No fuckery.

>>60587495
I'd be on that gig

>$90 for 100mbps
>$0.90 per mbps

>$115 for 1000mbps
>$0.11 per mbps

>>60583310
for some reason when i read that part that says "ultimate internet" i read it as "ultimate niggernet"

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>>60587588

>>60583495
10TB a month right? I host a Plex server on my 150mbs account and I've been chewing through 8-9TB a month and so far Verizon hasn't called me in the years I've been doing this. Good to know I'm close to the limit.

>>60587825
Yup, 10TB a month soft cap, if you go over regularly they'll switch you to business.

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OH BABY FUCKING BOY TIME TO GO GIGABIT

>>60587845
What's stopping you from leaving after they switch you?

>>60583495
>data cap
lolwat? I thought that guy was joking, you actually have a datacap on your home internet connection? Not only that, you're defending it? Holy shit mate.

ATT just got fiber to my place really enjoying 1gbs.

>>60586713
what speeds do you get with it?

>>60584133
>America is a free nation
America imprisons more people per capita than any other country in the history of the world mate. That whole freedom ship has sailed a long time ago. Enjoy your oligarchy.

>>60587129
Damn, I live 10 minutes south of Tysons and didn't have it last I checked. Have 300mbs though so can't complain too much.

>>60586657
You can host a website, they just don't want you running a business off of it.

>>60588027
usually 80mpbs during the day and 110mbps down at night

>>60587945
Early termination fees

>>60584527
>trying this hard to 'win' an ""argument"" on a taiwanese knitting board
kid pls

>>60588066
is there a reason why you suggest the ac-1900 as the router to use with this?

>>60588167
just because it works completely stock with the mobley. just plug it in, adjust dns, and you're all set. theres a bunch of guides to that effect on howardforums, if you're interested in replicating my setup

>>60588074
Probably still cheaper than paying their bullshit business pricing?

>>60588195
No because you wont be able to re-sign up for residential. Unless you use another persons SSN.

>>60586676
>well considering they give you a dynamic IP address anyway
I don't know about you, but my dynamic IP changes at most when I don't use the Internet connection in quite a long while, or when I change MAC address, neither of which virtually ever happens. It's not a great problem redirecting the DNS once every two years.

>>60588212
Fuck that.

Even with the best services you are still cucking yourselves in America

>we can't have customers discriminate what data to use
>we must control what data they can use and rule the Internet
>then we tell them that's freedom and a free market

>>60583340
>This picture is just saying what the internet MIGHT be like
No, it's saying what idiots think it will be like because they don't understand how the current regulatory scheme actually works.

Anyone telling you to support Web neutrality due to this and not fighting to make the monopolies unconstitutional is a fucking shill.

>>60588186
i can still connect to it without a router, right? i would just be limited to wifi and no hard wire connections i imagine.

i'm considering doing this since right now i'm paying $40/month for 25 down and 10 up, but i don't really have the money right now for a ~$150 router.

>>60588384
you can get the t-moble-branded asus for 85 bucks, and i would highly reccomend it

https://www.amazon.com/T-Mobile-Wireless-AC1900-Dual-Band-AiProtection-Complete/dp/B01MYTAURW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495763495&sr=8-1&keywords=tmobile+router

the lte modem in the mobley is okay, but the wireless card is a complete pile of shit. you'll see garbage speeds with little to no range, hence the microUSB cable for data to the router

>>60588308
>not fighting to make the monopolies unconstitutional is a fucking shill.
That's not a practical solution for people living in low population areas. Nobody's going to bother competing if it means their market share in the region only amounts to five customers. Sure, make it so no company has a "formal" monopoly, but you're still going to end up with de facto monopolies regardless.

>>60589821
>you're still going to end up with de facto monopolies regardless.

Citation fucking needed

>>60584733
>fucking over the cities with stupid high prices to subsidize the cost to the rural areas
You mean like how the public subsidized the costs of most of the infrastructure that the current ISPs are milking for cash while laughing their asses off?

>>60585919
>the traffic is being congested at the points where it goes to netflix, youtube, or other major players
It's almost like you don't know that large websites have thousands of colocated servers all over the place precisely to handle the amount of traffic that they're currently handling.

>>60586095
>When you connect to youtube, you connect to your local ISPs central office, which then connects to their backbone, which connects to someone like Level 3 who routes your traffic to google.
Nope, Google short-circuits the Internet, otherwise the connection latency wouldn't hit the desired targets.

>service won't let me do something I want
>don't use that service in favor for its competitors which will do what I want and the original service will adjust accordingly

Stick to computers, not economics.

>>60583310
>types of Internet

I got aids

>>60591315
>for its competitors which will do what I wan
there are none