/pcbg/ - PC Building General

http://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming%20K4/index.asp#Memory

So I can ONLY use the 3200 memory listed for this board? I can't buy something else off of newegg? Will there be later bios updates?

Is updating bios safe?

Is there any point to buy 16gb ram for a G4560 build?

Is it POSSIBLE to boot *Linux from NVMe? Grub moans at me as far as I can tell but who needs Grub?

Ignore AMD shills.
Do not reply to AMD posters.
Get an i5

>>60583273
That's a great argument you have right there.

>>60583218
>I can't buy something else off of newegg
You could and it could maybe work, but it could also not work. I wouldn't recommend it unless someone has tried it beforehand.
Yes, there may be further bios updates making more ram kits compatible.
Yes, updating bios is safe, but 1. don't do it from windows and 2. don't use a defective-but-still-somewhat-works storage. And do not turn off your PC during the update.

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Are they really selling OEM licences on ebay? I thought you couldn't reuse it on a different computer?

>>60583345
Guess they do, same as the stores on allkeyshop.
And no, you can't reuse OEM key on a different computer, but these are from like chinese manufacturers selling OEM keys.

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Is getting the 1700 over the 1600 worth it, value wise, if I'm going to use my PC for Ableton/Lightroom/Premiere/some Photoshop as well as some gaymen?

>>60583378
i dunno dude but 1700 is a bigger number than 1600 ;~]

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>use gigabyte m6800 since October
>have mouse button 4 set to push to talk
>button is now loose
I'd be mad if it wasn't $15 but it's still trash I don't recommend

>>60583378
Yes, for so many producivity it is definitely worth it

Hello /pcbg/, what's a good 120 gb SSD that isn't the Samsung 850 EVO? I've looked at a few ADATAs, Crucials, Transcends and Toshibas, but they all mostly seem to have write speeds in the 300 mb/s in the 120 gb models, where they have 500-ish on 250 and up. Might this be not a big deal, though?

>>60583542
Sandisk SSD Plus

>>60583338
Sorry for another question:

Can I see what a bios update actually does? Not seeing a patch notes or whatever anywhere.

>>60583759
There's usually a very short description but nothing more than that.

>>60583759
>Can I see what a bios update actually does?
IIRC, he walks you through it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHAelSOF6f0

I feel like a retard for buying 2400mhz ram for my r5 1600. Performance is so much better with better ram

>>60583873
You're not gonna see that performance improvement with a GPU bottleneck.

>>60583891
Does the 1600 bottleneck a 1070?

>>60583873
The reason ram speed matters so much with Ryzen is the 2 CCX assemblies. Inbetween the 2 CCX assemblies (each containing half the cores) is the infiniti fabric that communicates between both CCX's. The Infiniti Fabric runs at whatever speed the ram is. This is why Ryzen reacts so well to fast ram.

>>60583542
850 evo is gonna cost the same as a 250gb anyway.

>>60583925
No it doesn't.

what PCIe throughput do we have right now? Is it 4.0?

>>60583982
Then how would I not see that performance due to a bottleneck

why is 2666 memory so rare? I see things like 2400, 3000, and 3200 much more common but barely any 2666

Is a G4560 alright to use with an rx 570?

>>60584014
If your R5 1600 doesn't bottleneck your GTX 1070, it means the GTX 1070 can be used to i's maximum. If your GPU is already at 100%, and it will, having a faster CPU will not change anything.

>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA)
What exactly is CUDA and why would I want it?

>>60584047
Yes.

>>60584119
>CUDA stands for the "Compute Unified Device Architecture", which is a free software platform provided by NVIDIA. It enables users to control GPUs by writing programs akin to C++. All CUDA softwares can be downloaded from CUDA Zone.

If I get a 3000mhz ram kit that isn't on my mobo's QVL, because no 3000 kits are, will it run at 29xx?

Since Rx 570/580 are all sold out and I'd have to wait 3/4 weeks to get one I decided to get 1060 6Gb. Which is the best one? I've been thinking about getting either MSI Gtx 1060 6Gb Armor OCV1 or MSI Gtx 1060 6Gb Gaming X. I don't have FreeSync/G-Sync monitor and don't plan getting one. I'm mostly going to use this build for playing video games at 1080p resolution and 60 fps.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B7hQvV

Why there is nothing about i5-7600k in the OP's post. I plan on getting it with GTX 1070, need some info on it.

>>60584285
ryzen 1600 or 1600x instead. I5 is not worth it since they are priced similarily.

Currently using an i5-4690 and a 980. I primarily use it to game, but also use some light photoshop, record and edit basic videos with shadow play, watch anime on mpc. I try to maintain 1080p 60fps, but I may shoot for 144hz later on down the line. Sometimes the CPU is getting close to maxing out and stuttering on recent games like Rainbow Six siege or others.

My main hard drive suddenly died and since I have to get a new one and reinstall an OS, I wanted to go ahead and upgrade. I was thinking of getting an i5-7600k and over clocking it. Would this help? I see people recommending 7700k but it seems like it wouldn't give me a good increase in performance for what I do vs the price. I used amd on some of my first builds like 10 years ago and I wasn't a big fan, but apparently Ryzen is a huge step forward in quality?

>>60584260

Dependinng on desnity and platform the only thing for certain is it will run at either 2133mhz/2400mhz for Intel and 2666mhz/2400mhz/2133mhz for Ryzen. FYI anything over 2400mhz for Intel and 2666mhz for ryzen is technically overclocking.

>>60584306
The best upgrade ypu can do right now is to get an AMD Ryzen 5 1600. 6 cores, 12 threads, so it'll do your editing better, and if you overclock it on a B350 or X370 motherboard, performance is similar to a 7700k.
Intel's i5 processors really are not worth it since Ryzen came out and disrupted the market.

>>60584310
I have 2400mhz now, but all this talk about how much better performance I can get on higher speeds has me reconsidering

>>60584347
generally, you want 2666 or higher on Ryzen. Memory speed may not make a difference on Intel, but it makes a huge difference on Ryzen since it speeds up how fast the 2 CCX's in the chip can communicate.

>>60584347

Well its one of those things, the QVL is mostly just a way of saying "yeah, this XMP profile just werks™ on this mobo". Given XMP is an Intel thing its why outside of a few kits people are doing some hand tuning to get higher speeds on ryzen right now. Naturally more BIOS updates are supporting more kits as time goes on.

In theory getting fast RAM to work on any platform is manually inputting the timings and tweaking the voltage to suit - the exact scenario XMP was created to avoid since that might as well be magic to most end users. All those people getting blistering ram on ryzen are not only using very expensive kits they are generally manually inputting the previously mentioned values.

>>60584396
I was stupid and let ram compatibility issues scare me off of buying higher clocked ram.
Maybe I can overclock this kit to 2666....

>>60584119
Some productivity applications use it to speed things up.
But it's not that much faster than OpenCL (which is what AMD uses), though.

>>60584438
meh. just deal with it for now. It works, and that's all that matters. Just keep up on the bios updates and order faster ram at some point when prices come down. Can't blame you for getting 2400 right now with prices as they are for ram.

Will a 1600 bottleneck a 1080? I don't think so from research but I'm new to PC building so looking for an experienced opinion

>>60584119

If you have to ask what CUDA is you don't need to care. Same sort of deal with asking about ECC.

>>60584285
Because it's not a worth CPU at all compared to the R5 1600
It hit the same FPS but has big FPS drops and is constantly at a much, much higher usage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

>>60584492
For a very high resolution framerate it might, but anything else and it won't.

What RAM should I pair with a Ryzen 1600? I've heard of mobo RAM over clock issues and I'm confused as fuck...

>>60584481
yah ram compat issues and price kinda kept my finger off that trigger.
I will probably just get the 3200 version of the corsair vengeance kit I have now. It's on the QVL so it should at least it 2993 or whatever

>>60584630

One that is on the QVL.

>>60584630
get a 2x4gb kit of 2666 mhz or higher speed ram. Ryzen loves fast ram

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Are these acceptable temperatures for playing ds3 at 60fps?

>>60584698
That's a very hot GPU. When did you buy it? Consider cleaning it completely, as in disassembling it & changing thermal paste, and removing all the dust beforehand.

>>60584663
Only stuff that seems dedicated to Ryzen is G skill's Flare X and Fortis stuff.

Flare X stuff is expensive as fuck at 3200, and Fortis is alot more reasonable but only goes to 2400.

Fooking ryzen and its ram compatibility issues.

>>60584714
I-I just bought it, pls don't scare me
Is that temp really high??

>>60584741
Corsair Vengance is popular and works with Ryzen

>>60584773
it is but won't always run at rated speeds.

>>60584787
so keep up with the Bios updates

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>get my hands on four old lenovo towers
>get 500GB hard disks for two of them
>fucking around with sysrescuecd so I can partition one of the drives
>won't show up in file manager when I get it
>reboot cause I'm a newbie and figure it'll help apply the changes
>sysrescue now refuses to boot from the live usb
>Ijustwantgentoo.feels
Pic related

>>60584811
>wanting to ruin your mobo by flashing bios

>>60584825
wut

>>60583873
>>60584347
It is important to note that if you are at 1080p 60hz the benefits will be much less visible

>>60584714
Get the fuck out of here, that's completely normal GPU temps. max temps are like 85C or 95C.

>b-b-but I saw youtuber with lower temps :(((((

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/NsNvQV

This is the build I have put together today, assembly went along fine without any issue and it turned on first try no problem. I turned it off, turned it back on with a screen and keyboard attached and I'm getting no video signal.

Anyone know what the issue could be? The GPU fan is running so I at least know it's getting power.

>>60584908
Sure, that's why my 280w R9 280 heats less in stress tests

>>60584967
What a badass xDDDDDD

Fucking kill yourself, kid.

>>60585000
This is not /b/, take your shitposting elsewhere.

>>60584825
>>60584811
I was the guy earlier asking about updating for bios.

I would love to do it, but does it even give me more options with ram? I have no idea because I have no idea what the bios update does.

Any tips on how to improve this without adding to the cost?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LPxwJV

Is there any point to take 2400 RAM over 2133 for G4560?

>>60585087
on another computer, you download the bios update from the motherboard manufacturers website, and put the file on a USB flash drive. Then plug it into the computer you built, turn it on and keep pressing delete to get into the Bios. There should be an option there to update the bios with the file on the USB stick. Updating the bios will give you more options for ram and such, but you need the ram and processor installed to access the bios anyways. Apparently a BIG update from AMD on ram compatibility was already put into the hands of the motherboard manufacturers so they just have to incorporate it into their bios updates.

>>60585095
Looks great to me. Nothing I can really think of to change at the moment It's actually very similar to the build I'll be doing.

>>60585174
Installing it is not the issue, its more about what the hell the update does. Does it give me a ton more options with ram? If so, WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS?!

Sorry know you''re helping me but I want to know exactly what the update for my motherboard does and I don't see it anywhere on the site.

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>>60584698
>>60584767
Is this a good custom curve for the 1060?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/DrHczM

What sort of CPU would be good for this, have roughly 100 pound to spend on it.

>>60585364
g4560, anything else is overpriced or overbudget.

>>60585329
It's about right. I've got mine 98% at 50c. Overclocked to 2070Mhz.
You should overclock it. YouTube it. It's literally a few slider bars.

>>60585371
Cheers

what gpu do i need to max dota 2 and get high fps (300+) in csgo?

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>>60584942
Nevermind I just forgot to power in the CPU. I misread part of the mono manual and thought that was just a port for some GPU thing I'm not using.

Tomshardware forum is fucking right that is an easy beginner mistake.

How much am I kicking myself in the nuts by going 2400 instead of 2666? Or even 3200?

>>60585396
>98% at 50c
Isn't that gonna break the fans?

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Why buy 1050Ti/RX460 when you can get R9 280x for less?

Who else /patientPCbuilder/ here? Was running an old Yorkfield/7850 setup until this week when I got a X58 setup off a friend for free.

>>60585648
Power consumption/efficiency, which in turn makes it possible to save a bit on the PSU. Warranty.

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>>60585641
Nope. Well shorten their lifespan, yes. But not that much before I'd have to upgrade.
Go 90% or what ever. Just note if they sound out of balance. Instead of hearing air, you hear loud mechanical noise, if you do back them down till it goes away.

Also I'm Aussi, so temps are high here.
Pic related. My curve.

>>60570734
Regarding ryzen octacores and coolers, run of the mill coolers like gammax 400 are fine if you have a airy case and dont mind some CPU fan noise.

the reason it wasnt for me is because I want a quiet and dust proof pc.

>>60585713
Why up just the power and not the clocks?

>>60585706
You can buy a 500W Bronze PSU for less than $50 though

>>60585542
RX 560 with G4560
honestly you could even use the G4560 iGPU but if you have the money a 4GB 560 is nice to have if you ever decide to play anything else

>>60585687
I have a friend for whom I assemble a top tier PC every few years or so and in turn I buy his old rig for a decent price. It's a good arrangement, although recently I find that even his old stuff is somewhat overpowered for my needs.

>>60585606
If using a Ryzen CPU, it might be worth it depending on the price. With Intel it doesn't seem to really matter. Also dependent on your use case of course.

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>>60585756
They are. The program isn't that responsive when it first boots.
Pic from a while ago.

>>60585762
And a 300 W PSU for cheaper still. I myself would also go for the 280X though, running a 280 at the moment actually. Buying used just isn't an option for some people.

>>60585849
I cant even find those here.

>>60585606
you won't see much of a difference between 2400 and 2666 but you would between 2400 and 3000/3200. if you have a mid-range GPU it doesn't really matter much at 1080p for games

Which motherboard to pair with the ryzen 1600?

MSI Mortar, MSI Gaming Plus or the ASrock Pro 4

>>60585971
Not sure about you, but I'll be using an Asus Prime AB350 Plus for mine.

Just ordered these parts, rate my blunder status:

R5 1600X
Noctua NH-U12S
2x16gb GSkill TridentZ 3200mhz
ASRock AB350M Pro4
500gb 850 Evo M.2
Fractal Define Mini C
Seasonic SSR-650RM

Will add these that I already own:
RX470 4gb
120gb 840 Evo
2x 500gb WD hdd

>>60585971
ASrock. They are the best currently for Ryzen.

>>60585971
Pro4. i've only heard good things about the MSI Tomahawk

>>60585971
There was a $50 off promotion with the ASRock AB350 fatality thing when comboed with a 1600x. Not sure if its still there.

>>60586204
did you make sure that the Cooler came with a AM4 bracket?

Hi Guys Sorry im a bit new to Pc Building. I got spare money to spend. Im planning to build this pc for Game servers + Gaming. Please tell me what you'll change. ~


EVGA 750 GQ 750W ATX Modular Power Supply
Ryzen 1700X
Asus ROG GeForce GTX 1080 (8GB) Graphics Card PCI Express 3.0 DisplayPort/HDMI/DVI-D
Crucial MX300 (1050GB) 2.5 inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s (internal) with 9.5mm Adaptor
Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX Mid Tower Case - Black
ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VI HERO AMD Socket AM4
G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3000MHz CL16 1.35v DDR4 Desktop Memory Kit
Samsung 960 EVO (500GB) V-NAND Solid State Drive NVMe M.2 (Internal)
Western Digital Black (6TB) 3.5 inch 7200RPM SATA III Hard Drive
NZXT Kraken X52 (240mm) AIO CPU Water Cooling Unit


Its costing around £2.35k. I know the AIO is expensive but i like the way it looks. Im going for a full RGB build.

Let me know if i should change anything.

>>60586204
Is that ram compatible? Did you check the board's compatibility list?

>>60586262
that ram has been tested by numerous youtubers. It works with Ryzen.

>>60586235
Yep, that's one reason why I picked it. Shipped from Noctua directly.

>>60586262
Been a couple weeks since I looked at the QVL, but last time I did there were no 32gb/3200mhz listed that I could find for sale anywhere in NA. I decided to just fly with the wind and hope since TridentZ has supposedly pretty good compatability with Ryzen generally.

Are their any reputable brands that happen to produce pink 120/140mm case fans?

>>60586433
grab some RGB fans. You can change the lighting to pink

how can you disable USB3 on an asrock motherboard?

I'm getting the missing driver issue on windows installation and most guides I'm finding for this suggest disabling the usb3 ports, which I can't figure out how to do on uefi

>>60585971
>ASrock Pro 4
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/69p299/amd_b350_chipset_vrm_crash_course_by_buildzoid/dh8k0c6/

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I just realized I cannot crossfire with my motherboard.

I am currently using a RX570 and I believe it is not going to cut it for Shadow or War. So I think my options are:
1. Wait for Raven Ridge and Change my CPU to a powerful APU that can crossfire with my 570
2. Change the motherboard and get another polaris/vega
3. Wait for vega and sell my 570

What do?

>>60586506
I would do 2 or 3.

>>60586506
RX570 is fine for Shadow of War, recommended spec (not minimum) is RX480

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So I've been trying to figure out if there is any point to the single-slot GTX1070 other than as a meme card

So far I can't see any build scenario where you'd want the single-slot over even FE blower

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I built my PC in 2011, and now I'm looking for troubleshooting/upgrade advice
Whenever I'm playing certain games, usually more graphics intensive games, and sometimes when I'm using firefox I think (it's been a while), the screen will go black even though the computer is still running. Sometimes it will come back with a message saying that the graphics card has failed and recovered. Sometimes it will just stay black and I have to restart my computer. This happens less often on cold days and when I have cleaned the dust out of my computer recently.
Does this sound like a GPU problem or a PSU problem? Or something else?

Here's my components, I'm also wondering if it's worth upgrading one of my components without creating a bottleneck or a compatibility issue.

Intel Core i5-2500K
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
GIGABYTE GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128495
HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104173
MSI GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) DirectX 11 N570GTX Twin Frozr III PE/OC 1280MB
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127582
CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-650TX 650W
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005

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Just looking to upgrade my GPU, pic related is what i have, and I am looking at this guy

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01MEFABEL/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

For the price, I feel that its a good upgrade. What do you think /g/?

>>60586722
Good upgrade, although your system can certainly handle more if you are willing to increase your budget.

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>>60586722
A GTX 1050ti would indeed be decent but considering your already powerful CPU, why not get an RX 470/570 instead? It's not that much more expensive but it performs much much better.
Unless you do very few gaming or play mostly light games or something.

I'm deciding between a i5 7600k vs Ryzen 7 1700X. The price difference in my country is ~$200 the 1700x being the most expensive one.
Is the $200 worth it?

>>60586806
the two are nowhere near comparable lol
you should be looking at 1500X or 1600 if you're comparing to the i5-7600k

>>60586806
>Is the $200 worth it?

no

you should be looking at a R5 1600

>>60586806
You shouldn't be looking at the R7 1700x yet alone the R7 1700. Go look at the R5 1500x or 1600 instead, the price should be identical / cheaper when taking into account the required cooler of the 7600k.
Do you do any producivity stuff? What's the intended usage of the computer?

is the 1060 3gb still a good option?

>>60586787
>>60586785
Thanks for the quick responses. I do game, but I am not interested in playing AAA titles. I play a lot of Diablo 3, and while i can run it pretty high, i get the occasional screen tear.

Budget is kinda slim, I wouldn't want to go any higher than about $250CA

>RX 470/570
I have never had AMD, and am not sure about going that way. nVidia has served me well over the years, but I will look into it based on your suggestion.

Not even memeing, my gf has a PC with an A10 7800 and it gets fucking hot when she is in-game. Speccy shows it at like 88C.

>>60586866
No. Too little VRAM, it will become VRAM starved in any AAA games at high/ultra settings, whereas the weaker RX 470/570 will do better because of the 4GB.

>>60586866
*its going for 188eur the rx580 is at least 280eur

>>60586879
Grab an R5 1600

>comparing an A-series to Ryzen
At their peak, Ryzen chips never seem to rise above 70C, even with the stock cooler.

>>60586879
>PC with an A10 7800 and it gets fucking hot when she is in-game
Well of course, it's a very old architecture that was already outdated when released, doesn't mean AMD can't into releasing good products. There's a good reason the vast majority of people that come here or even on other pc building forums end up getting an AMD r5 1600 with an RX 580, and it's because it currently is the best choice there is for normal gamers. None of them come complaining about overheating or bad drivers though, because it doesn't overheat nor does it have bad drivers.

>>60586843
Mostly programming, I use Visual Studio and open tons of documentation so I think the Ryzen would be better. But anything would be an upgrade compared to my current FX-8350.

>>60586915
>At their peak, Ryzen chips never seem to rise above 70C, even with the stock cooler.
Seconding this
Ran some Serious Sam: The Second Encounter a few hours ago, while i was at the same time recording it (load on the CPU) on OBS with the indistinguishable quality (the files are enormous), and while also doing a conversion of old video recordings i needed to have in mp4 (we're talking 60GB of video right there), without GPU acceleration yet again. Ran smooth as fuck & stabilized at 67°C for 3H of this, and mind you it's was in the middle of the day with the sun shining on this poor dude.

>>60586918
>>60586915
fair enough. It was a budget tower I got her from Best Buy. She was playing d3 with me on her macbook pro and that was shit so I got her the PC for her bday. It works, but it gets warm. It'll do for her lol.

>>60586966
>macbook pro
so she's retarded them?

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>>60586936
Oh, then you should indeed be looking at either the R5 1600 or R7 1700, because as you can see in this picture the $320 (+$30min cooler) 7700k is only very slightly ahead of the R5 1600, and is beaten anyway by the $260 (+$20min cooler) R5 1600x. The 7600k isn't even relevant in there, being behind the R5 1500x even though it costs $40 less and doesn't require a cooler.
But yeah, the R7 1700 is definitely worth it considering the heavy multitasking you'll be doing while compiling things.

>>60586969
Well, she is with me so I guess maybe a little bit. She uses it for work. It is all she had and she wanted to play with me so she used it for a bit. Not ideal for gaming, obviously.

I only payed $500 for her PC, so I am not going to upgrade the CPU in it.

>>60586688
pls respond

FUCK!

Motherboard on my old PC died 3 years ago but I only switched to my underused work laptop and always put off buying a new one.

Just now the graphics card on my laptop died and I am fucked.

Can't find my tablet either so I am stuck with my phone.

Fuck I have to get a new PC asap but it's tough with only a phone. Then I have to somehow transer data from both laptop and old PC.

I hate to bother you but I seriously need help. What should I get? Total price range 1.5-3k (money doesnt matter desu but no need to waste on price inefficient unnecessarily good stuff), good enough to play newest vidya and at least 4tb storage for my animu.

I apologize again but I really need help asap. Thanks a lot!

>>60587026
BTW I live in Switzerland so my options are limited.

>>60583155
>R5 1600 - best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you don't want to OC
I thought the 1600x was more powerful. Can't I overclock both? I see a lot of people on other threads getting the 1600 with a B370 board, and these can't overclock, right? Only the X370, right?

>>60586688
Start by reinstalling your drivers. Cheapest quickest option first. If you still have the same problem, look into hardware. Have you moved it or anything recently? maybe something has come loose? 570 is a fairly old card, maybe look into something a bit newer if nothing else works.

>>60587026
I can put together a parts list for you, but are you confident putting it together yourself? Also, will you use the PC for anything besides gaming? What resolution are you looking for, because you can build a great 1080p gaming computer for less than $900, but at your price range you are probably looking at a higher resolution.

>>60587068
I can do a fresh Windows install, or maybe I'll use this as an opportunity to get into Linux and Wine. As for reinstalling drivers, what's the best way to do that?

>>60587047
yes, the 1600X is more powerful and it's already clocked at about the same clockspeed as you can reach with the stock fan that comes with the 1600 (give or take 200 mhz). yes, you can OC both. no, both the B350 and X370 motherboards can overclock.

>>60587106
Then why would I get the 1600 instead of the 1600x?
I guess it is because both will reach the same clocks, thus same perfomance.

>>60587047
>and these can't overclock, right? Only the X370, right?
Both R5 1600 and b350 can overclock. No Ryzen CPU is locked, and only the very low end < $60 mobo A320 ones do not allow overclock.
The reason the OP recommends an R5 1600x if you don't want to OC is because the R5 1600x is clocked high by default whereas the R5 1600 is not, so it would require to overclock manually the R5 1600 to reach the 1600x performances which some people are scared to do.

>>60587094
Device Manager> Display Adapters> Your GPU>Right Click>Uninstall

Then reinstall them after restarting.

>>60586614
I could see myself using one if I wanted to make a mATX build for GPU compute power (Folding@Home etc.) or passtrough, since even if the mobo can accommodate two GPUs most mATX cases can't fit a two slot GPU in the lower PCI-e slot.

>>60587133
Oh, okay, just the GPU drivers. I thought you meant all my drivers. Can I reinstall my GPU drivers without installing GeForce experience? I hear more bad things than good.

>>60587161
> Can I reinstall my GPU drivers without installing GeForce experience

that I actually don't know. Maybe someone here can chime in on that one. It doesnt take much to remove that program anyway. You could just remove everything nVidia from your PC I guess.

>>60587125
the 1600 comes with a surprisingly good stock cooler, so you don't need to buy an aftermarket cooler like with the 1600X. that saves you the added cost of both the 1600X and the aftermarket cooler you would buy with it. that being said, the cooler is not the best out there and can reach at most ~3.7ghz, give or take .2ghz which is around the stock of the 1600X.
of course, if you have the money, you can go for the 1600X and get the Noctua fan (don't remember exact name) with which you can OC to way higher clocks.

>>60587071
I think I can.I am not stupid and can ask friends for help.

I also want to get a nice new big monitor so at least the option to go beyond 1080 would be nice. I use computer primarily for work, 4chan and browsing as well as occasional anime but I finally want to play real vidya again which I could not do on laptop.

So no need for high end but I miss having good hardware.

Thanks a lot btw. Yes please show me a list to start with and if needed I can still adjust.

>>60587161
Shit, I read your post wrong.

>Can I reinstall my GPU drivers without installing GeForce experience

Sure you can. I don't see the point though. It's a fairly handy program. Game optimization is a bonus if you're like me and just want to play the game, not fuck with settings over and over til it's good.

>>60587161
>>60587191
No need to install GFE. Not that it matters too much, the telemetry is contained in the driver itself nowadays.

Judging by experience, your GPU is most likely dying. No harm in seeing if it is the driver's fault though.

Finally put a build together.

>made sure RAM is on QVL for mobo
>made sure mobo has PCI slot for my wifi card (have to use it, I know it sucks. working on getting off wifi)
>found a case that has a slot for a DVD/CD drive

Now to just wait a bit more to see what Computex and other releases do to prices.

>>60587325
Shit, forgot to link build. Duh.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4FrKQV

>>60587345
I thought the MSI Tomahawk had problems with slow post?

>>60587402
Fuck. Why is life so hard

>>60586614
If you have a mITX case that allows long cards but not thick ones. I'm not sure that one really exists, though..
Most cases that allow those long cards also allow at least 2 slots.

A short 2 slot 1070 with a large single fan makes more sense.
Though I guess the other thing good about it is that it's a glower so it's not blowing hot air into your case.

>>60587199
Hey it's me again, I'm gonna build it around a GTX 1070 which is good for 1440p gaming, but if you really want to throw around some money, a GTX 1080 would be entering 4k territory, which isn't useful for many games yet but might be down the road. It doesn't sound like you need a ton of processing power, either, so most of the money is gonna be spent on the GPU

I know prebuilt are frowned upon, but are Cyberpowerpc's a good deal? Techdeals has me intrigued.

If not, are there any prebuilt worth looking into?

>>60587577
Oh yeah, I forgot to ask, what sellers are available in your country? I'm guessing newegg and amazon are fine?

How much time before I have to upgrade something in my rig?
rate it if you want

i7 4790 (stock cooler)
16gb ram 2133 ddr3
z97-a asus
600w psu cm
GTX 970
1.5 TB (2 HDDs)
I'm dual booting btw

>>60587577
Thanks. Anything special needed for sound? Or wifi? Also I looked at other builds and 2x ssd around 500gb each and 1x hdd 4tb sound nice.

Thoughts on 2 bad graphic cards vs 1 good one? 1070 sounds perfect btw.

With case I hope I can fit enough in there.

On a sidenote do I need special equipment to extract data stored on my laptop hdd? Really important data on there.

Thanks again!

>>60587592
Prebuilts are basically only ever for people who don't have the time/knowledge to assemble a proper custom system. Not all prebuilts have massive markups, but often the benefit is in getting a system with better parts, or parts that more specifically meet your particular needs.

>>60587649
Depends on your needs. Personally I could get at least 2 more years out of that. Likely more.

>>60587607
Yes but I will use digitec. Slightly more expensive but free quick shipping, 3year warranty and great local service. Dont worry about that part though.

>>60587680
For single workloads one GPU is always better.

The only time I have ever recommended 2+ GPU was for the guy that specifically wanted one computer running 8+ instances of a game at the same time, since in that case you don't need to use sli/xfire.

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/05/25/community-update-4-lets-talk-dram
naisu

>>60587693
I'm one of those people, more money than sense.
I figured I'd get a prebuilt and then upgrade it later to learn my way around a pc and build my own in the future, no experience with it.

>>60587772
Building really isn't that hard. It's just like delicate lego

>>60587772
You'll learn a lot more by putting in the effort at the outset than by buying a pre-built, but it's not like anyone is going to stop you if you just want to have a PC and want to take the short-route.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jZYsr7
>inb4 wait for Threadripper
It will have problems on Day 1 that won't be fully patched until a year later. Not worth wasting my money on defective products.

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In the ASUS BIOS, there's two auto-OC things, "EZ Tuning Wizard" and "TPU". What's the difference between the two and which is better for the average Joe? From what I understand, "EZ Tuning Wizard" takes into account your specific hardware while "TPU" is a one-size-fits-all solution.

>>60587772
Be careful not to bend or break pins putting the CPU in, and always have the thing unplugged when you're working on it. The rest of the common beginner's mistakes are much less costly.

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>>60587711
Here's what I put together. Just a heads up, I haven't put together a pc in this price range before, so input from other people here would be appreciated
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zQHczM

You can obviously go in a couple different direction with your storage, it depends on what digitec has available.
I probably gave you more processing power than you need, so if you want to bring the price down that would be the place to do it. I'm sure there are many people in this thread who would recommend a Ryzen 5 or 7 instead, so they can chime in if they want to.
I threw in a WiFi adapter, and there should be an ethernet port on your motherboard. You shouldn't need a soundcard unless you're doing high fidelity audio recording with your PC.
I'm not sure about extracting data from your old laptop/PC, you might want to go to a professional for that, or research that online.
The case can be changed for any case that looks good to you and has good reviews. You should mess around on pcpartpicker.com and maybe come up with some builds yourself to post on here.

>>60588058
>but no need to waste on price inefficient unnecessarily good stuff
Yeah, you did went the inefficient way
An R5 1600 + normal b350 mobo + no cooler would technically give more CPU power and at a much lowest cost, no point in going 7700k if he's not gonna have a very high refresh rate screen
3200mhz memory is also very unneeded, regardless of CPU. He doesn't need that much memory bandwidth.
Samsungs SSDs are more expensive than other brands (Kingston, Sandisk, Intel, WD, etc) but don't offer that much more, you should've put cheaper ones to save money. In fact, why two SSDs?
And WD black are generally a bad choice for consumer. Those are aimed at entreprise: longer warranty, more sturdy, less vibration, but also much more noise. Compare that to a $60 2TB Seagate or $65 2TB Toshiba and it will make no difference to a consumer, in fact it will be better because of the decreased noise.
He also doesn't really need that much storage. I use 5TB of storage and even then it's so big that i have a lot of trouble filling that, even though i have five backups (one per hard drive) of all my important files (that includes my 70GB music library and all my video editing projects for a total of 150GB of backup), all my video-game recordings (60GB for ~2h), all the animes i have stored, 20k of pictures, movies that i intend to watch, and fuck i still have an enormous amount of place left to have a single hard drive dedicated to downloading & seeding torrents, in which never delete anything because i don't need to
He doesn't need that much storage at all.

>>60588012
I'm really just curious about the choice for only 4 dimms, and then the strange array of ssd/1tb/4tb drives.

>>60588058
>>60588170
Thanks a lot. Will report back later.

>>60588318
I don't need to fill out all of the memory channels for both CPUs (two DIMMs each, but I do need at least 16GB for each CPU).
The SSD is the OS and application drive, the 4 1TB hard drives are my primary output storage (striped, no parity), and the 4TB drives will be in RAID1 and a local mirror of 1TB RAID.

>Finish building PC
>working fine
>once I play some vidya PSU starts making clicking noise
>Doesn't stop even after game is closed and starts back up on reboots

Argh, I had hoped that by getting a Corsair I could avoid having to replace something but I'm pretty sure that my PSU is faulty.

>>60588395
I assumed roughly as much, but why such a large SSD just for OS/apps?

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>>60588170
I made some changes based on your suggestions and saved about $650
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P8p6gL
I'm surprised you said bandwidth doesn't matter, since most people have told me that higher bandwidth should make a significant difference with Ryzen CPUs, but I changed it to 2400 based on your suggestion
I knew I went overboard on CPU power, but I didn't know how much he would need, especially if he wants to buy a really good monitor later, like you mentioned
>would technically give more CPU power
I'm curious what you mean by this, I don't see how a 1600 could give more CPU power than a 1770K

>>60588420
Multi-boot. Windows 7, 10, and FreeBSD, with a spare partition for if I feel a need to use faster-than-HDD RAID storage.

>>60588432
Faster memory matters with all CPUs, Intel or AMD, so I am not sure what that guy is on about. Having said that, there is significantly diminishing returns above 3000mhz. Personally I would get at least 2666 (Ryzen maximum without OC), but ideally 3200 if it is in budget.

Also the EVGA G3 is a fair bit better in design than the G2, if the price is similar.

>>60588443
Carry on then.

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>>60588518
Made some more small changes. A lot of these components can be changed based on personal preference and availability. The most important parts are the r5 1600, the B350 motherboard, and the gtx 1070

>>60588608
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7dKwJV

how relevant are newegg's DIY combos if I don't want to search out my own parts?

200 bucks
no case
no gpu
what's the best bang for my buck

>>60588676
>200 bucks for cpu/mobo/ram

Check your local craigslist.

Does GTAV make use of 6 CPU cores or is anything beyond 4 worthless?

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>>60588676
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QTc9pb
How did I do?

>>60588800
anything beyond 4 is worthless

>>60588676
>>60588809
just why.
Fuck people with a $200 budget. Don't bother.

Buy $200 of crack and resell it if all you have is two-hundred-fucking-dollars.

>>60589345
it's not for video games and I already have a monitor
go fuck yourself

>>60589364
>>60588809 here, there were cheaper mobos available but it said they required a BIOS update to work with Kaby Lake. I don't know how that works exactly so I went with a slightly more expensive mobo that was already compatible. Also, you get more bang for your buck (GB/$) with larger HDDs, but it would put you over your budget.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145359&cm_re=CMK32GX4M4B3200C16-_-20-145-359-_-Product

Any difference between this, Black, Corsair LPX Vengeance 3200 memory, and the white versions? My MB is saying is supports the black version, but the white version is alot cheaper at the moment. Seems to have same model number other then a "W" at the end.

>>60589470
yeah I saw, but I'm not making the purchase for a few days
I didn't know I would be in and out of this thread so quick
thanks

So I'm trying to branch out to AMD but I'm a bit concerned with RAM scaling with the AM4 mobos. What would be the ideal type of fast RAM AND Mobo for a 1700x/1800x right now?

>>60589604
From what I understand, RAM scales more or less proportionally, so you should get the highest you can afford up to 3200. I'm not sure if it can support RAM past 3200. Also, I think AM4 mobos won't utilize RAM past 2400 or 2666 currently, but this should be resolved by AMD soon.

>>60589604
Ideally get 3200mhz of a type most likely to work (X370 + Samsung B-die seems to be the best bet). Performance rolls off around 3000mhz.

Or wait for the bios updates to roll out over the next month and see what compatability is like by then, which should be much better.

>>60589734
>>60589709

Thanks /g/uys

Yeah waiting for the BIOS updates should be a better call in this case, got plenty of time anyway

>>60589604
Look at the QVL for the motherboard you're getting.

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Guys.
I'm upgrading my system, and giving my old stuff to my sibling.
They just carelessly broke off an e169 560 6.3v capacitor from the shitty gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 motherboard I bequeathed unto them while trying to remove the old HFS mounts. It's labeled DEC13 on the mobo itself.

Will it fry everything if we try turning it on anyway?

Spent the last hour looking for a technical diagram, see if the capacitor was redundant or for something that we don't give two farts about like an option fan speed control, but no luck.

You're all shit for brains

Built my new PC, ~$650 total (salvaging the 660Ti and some HDDs from my old build).
>R5 1600
>ASRock AB350 Pro4
>G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4-2400Mhz 8GBx2
>WD Blue 7200rpm 1TB
>750W Seasonic G series PSU
>Phanteks Enthoo Pro
If I'm interested in replacing my GPU, what do you think I should go for? I think a 1080 would be too much.

The PSU is a little annoying though, since some non-modular parts are too short. Also, why is it so awkward to plug power into the GPU? One has to squeeze the cord into a tight shape in order to fit the two 6-pins.

>>60589862
that's a VRM cap or something, it's probably pretty important and the computer, if it runs at all, will never be stable or work properly again. If you can't just shove it back on the pins, you will have to desolder it and put a new one on.

>>60589862
Almost certainly fucked.

>>60589898
>shove it back on the pins
And you're sure that won't make the cap explode?

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/05/25/community-update-4-lets-talk-dram

For all those wondering about Ryzen ram and if to buy it now.

>>60589893
that PSU is overkill imo, you probably won't be pushing 550w
If you want to buy a GPU now I'd recommend a 1060 6gb for 1080p and a 1070 for 1440p. But since it seems like you aren't in a hurry, you might want to wait and buy a 580 once the market stabilizes and they come in stock at good prices

>>60586688
open up your case and see if your graphics card is full of dust.

Someone give me some guidance on mobos. What are the best most reliable brands? I don't do a lot of overclocking and will probably end up getting an intel cpu (if some anon can't convince me to go ryzen).

Price is not really an issue but I'd rather not spend more than about $150 on one.

>>60590002
>PSU is overkill
Yeah, but 650W was $10 more in shipping so it came out to the same price as the 750W.

>>60590089
Good man

>>60589950
Bummer, so 3200mhz as stock is still a ways away?

>>60590041
It probably is, I don't clean my case too often. Is this a good guide?
https://www.howtogeek.com/72716/how-to-thoroughly-clean-your-dirty-desktop-computer/
My gameplan right now is
1) uninstall/reinstall GPU drivers
2) clean PC
and if necessary
3) buy new GPU, probably a 570 once prices come down

>>60590115
3200mhz stock is never ever. That doesn't mean it can't be consistent or reliable, just that the Ryzen arch cannot support it as a stock speed.

>>60590115
>>60590181
Huh?
Stock speeds for Intel are 2133 and 2400.

>>60590193
Stock for Ryzen is 2666 at highest.

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wheereee is the mitx am4

>>60590319
It's coming out when vega does :^)

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Skylake + DDR3 (non-L model) reporting in: lowered DRAM voltage from the get-go down to 1.355v and nothing has burned yet, everything works like a clockwork.

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>>60583272
I'd simply like to correct you for one short while. What you're alluding to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU and Linux. Linux is not an OS on its own, but actually another free piece of a completely functioning GNU system fashioned into something proper by the GNU libraries, shell tools and essential system components comprising a full OS.

Quite a few computer owners use a subspecies of the original system every single day, without even realizing. Through a weird chance, the version of GNU utilized now is often called "Linux", and its owners have no knowledge that it is in actuality the GNU system, made by the FSF.

A true Linux does exist, and these people are using it, but it is simply a part of the system they use. Linux serves as the kernel the part of the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an OS, but useless by itself; it is only operational in the shadow of a complete OS. Linux is most commonly utilized in combination with the GNU OS the whole system is in actuality GNU with the addition of Linux, or GNU/Linux. Every single-called "Linux" releases are really releases of GNU/Linux.

>>60583273
>not shilling the upcoming i9
Oy Vey David, what are you doing!

>>60585713
>>60585396
How stupid can you be?
98% at 40C?

If you want your graphics card to live like 20 years or longer, then just stay at 70C and go no higher.
Trying to stay below 40C is absolutely retarded.

>>60590808
I'm pretty sure the capacitors will die at around 5-10 years regardless of what temperatures you get the GPU core and VRMs to stay at.

Are anti-static mats meme?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZrPZCy

>Just under $2000 including peripherals
>1440p 60Hz

Should I bump the RAM up to 2400/3200? Is there a reasonable performance boost for the price?

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hey /g/uys im still using a I5 2500k.
I still can play newer games and render some shitty youtube videos but i want to upgrade soon.
is a R5 1600/1600X a good replacement ?

>>60591213
Ask again when you are actually ready for a replacement.

>>60591194
Supernova G3 instead of G2.
At least 2400 ram, the performance boost is worth the price.
Define C if you are not going to have a cdrom.

>>60591237
i was into PC building when i was younger and the GeForce 3Ti was hot shit. Now im old and stupid and i have no clue about all the small details.

I just want to have more peformance for the future and maybe max out a game for once.
I never played a game with FXAA and cranked up all the good shit. I also want to render videos faster and improve my photoshop peformance.

>>60591167
Generally yes. There are plenty of other ways to deal with static risk that don't involve buying a special.product.

>>60591263
My point is that by the time you are ready for a replacement, there may be a better option available for your needs, so there is no point in asking now unless you are ready to buy.

If you ARE buying right now, yes the 1600/1600x is a great chip that is selling like mad. I just ordered one myself.

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>>60591257
alright changed the RAM and switched monitors since the ASUS was better in preference
whats the difference between the G2 and G3? better reliability?

Is 140 euros for this gigabyte GPU a good price? Or is there anything better from nvidia in that price range?(would have gone amd but >cuda)

https://geizhals.de/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-d5-4g-gv-n105td5-4gd-a1526016.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

>>60591268
Any tips? So far all I've done is touch the case before handling any components, though I heard the PC should be plugged in since it'd be grounded.

>>60591331
Get r5 1600
Ballistix sport LT 2x8gb 2400mhz for RAM.

Get a better cooler, one that doesn't use a sleeve bearing, even H7 is quiter than 212 evo.

That case is no name as well.
Get Phanteks P400S, NZXT S340, or Fractal Design Define C

>>60591331
>i7

get a ryzen

I'm totally on board for r5 over i5, but what's the argument for r7 over i7, besides bang for buck and >muh cores

>>60591406
It's r5 over i7.
Better minimum frames, no stutters, way better value for the money.

Unless you're actually building a no budget limit computer, which means 1080ti, you should always be looking for best bang for buck.

>>60591406
higher FPS minimums in some games. That and the two reasons you stated are the primary reasons for choosing r7,
Intel cpu / Amd gpu is comfiest combo tho imo.

>>60591419
But the i7 is better than r5. And for a $2K system, a difference of $150 is pretty reasonable

>>60591331
G3 has some better design when it comes to handling unstable power, so should provide better power handling to the other components.

>>60591359
Plugging in the PC (PSU switch off) is OK, but doesnt alone protect anything outside of the case, although it does make the psu/case grounded.

Basically, don't work on carpet or with a blanket or anything easy to generate static, and discharge static by touching something that is grounded before touching any parts. I have never had a problem by following those two rules.

>>60591437
i7 is not better than the r5.

Pushing an extra 30 fps means nothing, especially not with a 60hz monitor. What matters is to have higher minimum frames, and no stutter.
i7 has bad minimum frames, and stutters.

in a $2k system, 150$ is like 13% value. With that he could get an eve better graphics card, or faster ram, or a larger SSD, or a good case with a bunch of premium fans.

>>60591527
Okay if what you say is true, then I would agree. Can you post your sources that the i7 has bad minimum frames, and stutters?

>>60591568
I don't remember the videos, but it's in gta v and mafia 3

>>60591603
I tried googling a few different phrases like "i7 stuttering" "i7 minimum frame rates" and even tried with those specific games you mentioned and didn't find anything. I would need more than one youtube video to convince me that the i7 suffers from bad minimum frame rates and stuttering in comparison to Ryzen 5.

>>60591646
Also, I did find this video, which shows the i7 has higher minimum frame rates in every game tested, including GTA V.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwoe8365qSc

>>60591646
Yeah you're getting memed, i7 has better or equal minimums and frametimes, it's just more expensive.

>>60591684
Old video.

>>60591695
It doesn't, it's peaking on it's usage. It already stutters because it can't keep up with games, and in the future it's going to become obsolete pretty quickly, since games will use more cores.

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>>60591365
Thanks for the name drops, I like the Define C's ergonomics better and the H7's lower documented db levels

However I want anons to convince me to get a Ryzen 5. Im not really an intel fanboy, but the documented speeds on single-thread and quad core performance are supposedly higher than Ryzen, but Ryzen having better multi-core performance.
My problem is that the applications I run dont really support multi-core where Ryzen would get the leg up on. Im not a really big multi-tasker nor do I stream.
What does Ryzen 5 actually do better over Skylake in a real world application?
I use Autodesk software for work and gaming and media on the side

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tfw fantasizing about your future build is 50% of the satisfaction so might as well not even bother ordering the parts now

>>60591695
I figure as much, but I like to hear opposing viewpoints instead of just calling someone an AMD shill

>>60591714
It's a month old, and even if it's old it's still more evidence than you've provided for your claims.

>>60591714
Every review so far has ryzen behind even a haswell i7.
Even ashes of the singularity which is the only game so far to even show a difference in performance above 4 cores has the 1600X at 4ghz performing slower than a stock i7 4790K
See here https://youtu.be/HO20mmQjY40?t=1080

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Sup /pcbg/
What is the best GPU I can buy for ~180 USD?
Also, eastern europe region, so shit like radeon rx470 is above my budget.

>>60591743
It's not even the same CPU, you're using 7700K for "evidence" rather than 6700K.
A month old is pretty old, you can't even compare them until after the RAM compatibility patch, since then you might be able to use 4000mhz+ RAM on them.

>>60591747
Is that after the optimization patch?

>>60591764
>Also, eastern europe region,
That changes things.
Prices and availability at those prices can differ wildly from region to region.

>>60591732
I've been wanting a new build since my current build has a poor case and HDD boot drive, but due to work instability it'll be around 2020 until I can really justify it.

>>60591732
Start making a build now as if you were going to buy all of it the next day, then save the build list.
Then, as time goes on, upgrade parts like the CPU and GPU as needed.
Make a list just so you can pinpoint longer lasting parts like storage, RAM, Case now instead of when you're ready to buy all the parts

>>60591775
>>60591747
Oh, and also, minimums aren't even the entire story.
Frame time matters even more, long frame times that is recognized as stutter won't show up in the 0.1% minimum frames, probably not even in the 0.01% minimum frames.

Anything other than G4560 is just a bad buy.
This is 60hz gaming too, absolutely no point in trying to get a stuttering CPU that can squeeze out some extra frames.

>>60591775
>Is that after the optimization patch?
Of course it is, before the patch the Ryzen 7s were about 30% slower than the i7s

>>60591791
>long frame times that is recognized as stutter won't show up in the 0.1% minimum frames, probably not even in the 0.01% minimum frames.
Cool, so "performance is totally worse guys it's just un measurable" is what you're going with now?
Come on man, is this a religion?

>>60585648
>cpu bottleneck
>power usage
>space

>>60591788
i already know exactly what parts im going to build and exactly how itll be built and exactly how it will preform

now comes the real question; at this point why even bother ordering it
the satisfaction is already there

>>60591732
Iktf but my old PC is already 7 years old and its too fucking annoying to use him. He did a good job though. Never had any problems or bluescreens.

>>60591775
I can't really keep discussing this with you until you can present even a single piece of evidence that the i7 has lower minimum frame rates and stutters in comparison to ryzen, otherwise I'll just assume you're making shit up

>>60591764
Get a gtx 1060 3gb. If that's out of your price range, try a 1050 ti. What sellers are available in your country?

>>60586506
>not gonna cut it
you're joking right?

If you can play at 1080p@60fps@low settings, it is cutting it

I can barely play thehunter: call of the wild at 740x480@30fps with low settings

>>60586879
>>60586915
>>60586918
speccy and most temp monitoring software doesn't deal well with A-series APUs, you just have to remember that most amd cpus will shutdown if they get above 75°C
t. A-series APU owner

>>60588608
So here's my setup based on yours and also on what is available

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K6FvQV

Any alternatives for the motherboard? This one is out of stock and would take 1 week to get, too long.

Please, everyone, give me harsh feedback. Gonna buy in 2h otherwise.

>>60591822
do you NEED a new build?
do you NEED all those new parts?
these are the things you need to ask yourself, because it sounds like what you've got just werks

>>60591854
i refuse to own garbage
so its either build the aesthetic build im thinking or nothing

>>60591847
MSI gaming plus and mortar are the next best budget AM4 boards.
They're more expensive but they have better VRMs than the asrock and better memory support so it's worth it.

>>60590415
this is physically impossible

>>60591871
There are DDR3 boards for skylake.
It's dumb, but it's possible.

>>60591811
There's multiple videos talking about it.

>>60591825
It's you who will make a bad buy, so it's up to you to do the research.

>>60591906
Okay but I just watched this one video that says that Ryzen 7 are worse than i3. I would link it but I forgot which video it was.

>>60591922
You have to keep in mind of payed shills.
Linus, gamersnexus, and I think a couple of more, just say what they're payed to say, they won't give you insight on the products.

>>60591931
No there are hundreds of videos saying that Ryzen sucks in general. I can't find any of them at the moment but everyone is saying it, believe me.

>>60591906
There are multiple videos talking about the earth being flat or more relevantly, assholes fudging the numbers to make one cpu brand look better than the other like that guy who was underclocking his intel chips more than he said he was.
I'm afraid i'll go with what every reviewer is saying thank you very much.
1600 is good value and you shouldn't buy i5 anymore unless you get a good deal but it's not a smart buy over an i7 if you want the performance.
There's a lot of things wrong with intel and its current lineup but the i7s are fast and the pentiums are cheap.

>>60591764
Since its around the amount of my caliphatebucks you can check out

>gtx 1050ti
>rx560

Or maybe a used older flagship model from last year in eBay.

>>60591948
Because they're payed by intel.
A lot of youtubers are payed by intel, intel is known to engage in unfair illegal marketing and trade activities.

Linus for example, compared x264 software encoding, with 7700k quicksync, at really high bitrates. Then claimed that both CPUs could stream just as well, even that 7700K had an advantage because of the higher frames.
If that doesn't scream payed shill to you, then I don't know.

Ryzen is the CPU to get right now, r5 1600/x for any more than budget build, 1500x for gaming with upgradability path. 7700K and 6700K are trash, and you'll need expensive 240/280mm radiators to be able to keep them cool enough for it's 5.0ghz. Even then, there's a good chance you get a CPU that needs to be delided. If you do get one that work, the shitty thermalpaste they have on their chips will degrade, and then your temperatures will rise as the years go by.

>>60591968
It's your money, you get to waste it however you want.

And of course, there's shills on AMDs side as well. Like, JokerProductions, never listen to a single word he says about anything, he's a lier and has no credibility.

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>>60591991
>joker productions

>>60590808
It don't stay under... The fucking thing is overclocked, and I'm in 30c+ temps often.
Even when it;s a cool day it's hitting 50c.

>>60591991
>It's your money, you get to waste it however you want.
I have a 1600, i'm just not insane enough to think that every person reviewing it unfavourably is a shill.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LFnxd6

any thoughts senpai

multitasking/mixed use, budget max $1200

>>60592061
Are those 580s in stock for you? Both vendors say out of stock for me. Also, I don't know whether the r7 and RAM are appropriate unless I know exactly what CPU-intensive things you do

>>60592008
It's 2 more cores, 4 more threads, and threads are like 30% more efficient or so. That's just so much more value for the money.

Games don't have much optimization for ryzen, while they have loads of optimization for intel. AMD has at least claimed to have upped their money spent on optimization, and even owns bethesda now.
Future games will have more ryzen optimization, and because of that ryzen may outperform i7's in the coming years.

1151 is a dead socket, it has like 1, at the very most, 2 new CPUs coming for it, then it's going to be completely dead. Those will be very marginal upgrades anyway.
AM4 is going to give you at the very least 3 CPU generations of ryzen, so you'll most likely be able to upgrade it once ryzen 3 comes out, for good life span, and value for your motherboard.

>>60592061
You are not going to get 3200MHz with that motherboard and you're better off going with a sata SSD if it's cheaper or even the same price since you can always stick it in an HTPC or games console when it comes time to replace it.
Also good luck with getting a 580 at a decent price

>>60592104
there are 0 cpus coming to LGA 1151

>>60592104
Nigger i did not buy the AM4 platform for future proofing. shit was barely functional at launch and if AM3 is anything to go by socket compatibility is not going to guarantee CPU compatibility going forward.

>>60592139
There was somehting about a 7640K and 7740K a while back, did those get dumped or something?

>>60592085
nah but i'll probably buy the parts in about a month so there will be time

will be running a couple VM's and doing some scientific computing on some medium sized data sets

mostly looking to reduce the time it takes to run simulations so i can iterate changes faster

>>60592169
those are for the x299 (skylake-x platform)

>>60592193
Well that's dumb.

>>60584030
I literally just bought some for my server, its not rar

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For 1080p and 60hz is a 580 enough? Also its being paired with a 7700k which is kinda idiotic but I bought that more for future proofing.

OK, I did it.
I got a new meme build with a 1080ti & I'm currently shitposting at 180fps.
Now what?

>>60592266
Now kill yourself.

what do you guys think. am i doing anything right ??

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/zvtzd6

>>60592282
I knew it would come to this.

>>60592265
Yes a 580 is enough, good luck on finding one though.

>>60592061
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LFnxd6

swap the 1700 with a 1600 and get a 1070

>>60592282
Can you recommend a build for that?

>>60592305
Bestbuy has one for $229. IDK if its worth it or not.

>>60592289
for 20 euros more you can get a 1060

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01KKJAJM4/?tag=pcp05-21

>>60592289
Looks fine. PSU might be overkill but good if you want to get a more powerful GPU in the future. Also the case seems a bit expensive (that's where I'd try to save money desu). Also the price for the ti seems off. Is it wrong? There are cheaper 1059 tis out there.

>>60592330
That's a good price if it's an 8GB one.

>>60592316
Off topic
>>/k/

>>60592330
What's the point of overpaying for a 580 when for $60 more you can get a 1070 which shits all over it.

>>60592342
It is...

>>60592386
Cheapest I've seen a 1070 is around $309.

>>60592386
Not either of those anans, but relevant:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_value.html

>>60592401
damn and i was told the 480 was better price/perf than the 480 and that both were better price/perf than the 1060.

>>60592417
580 was better price/perf than the 480*

>>60592331

how much better is the 1060 compared to the 1050 ti.

this 1060 that you recommended has only 3gb of ram. the 1050 ti had 4 gb.

>>60586255
Don't fall for the AIO meme

>>60591331
g3 is smaller and newer

>>60592337

thanks for the reply. you are right there are cheaper 1050, for a little bit more i can get a 1060. i am now lokking in the differences between 1060 4gb and 1050 ti 4 gb

>>60586255
>Asus crosshair
Overpriced motherboard, also get the 1700 non x

>>60591714
>since games will use more cores.
People spouting this are just wrong. Games won't have a major core revelation until there's a console generation that has lots of cores.

>>60592496
Correction: until we can get better bots to program our programs.
8+ is too many fucking threads.
...or so I've heard..

>>60592462
the 1060 3gb is miles faster than the 1050 ti. keep in mind that this is a chart of an overclocked 1050 ti as well so if you were to compare a factory overclocked 1060 3gb against it, the 1060 will be even faster.
the 1060 3gb fully overclocked to 2ghz is only about 5% slower than the full fat 1060 6gb. 3gb shouldn't be an issue either. i had a 770 2gb and ran all recent games just fine at 1080p with a mix of medium and high settings, 50-60 fps.

>http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00002908
Has anyone built a computer using a case like this with vertical GPUs?

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>>60592462
>>60592513
forgot chart

>>60592514
>he's going for the RGB meme

Reminder : never EVER buy the lower vram version of a GPU, you will regret it.

>>60592513

you are right. i could save on the case and just buy a 1060 insted. do you know any better cases than the one i wanted ?

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/BzTQvV

>>60592513
>>60592462
3GB vram is most definitely a problem.
Don't buy the 3gb version, you're better off with a RX 470/RX570, if you want some upgrade compared to 1050 ti.

>>60592550
you can still get that case. just get a cheaper power supply. anything above a regular bronze certified psu is a luxury. save like 40-60 EUR by getting a bronze psu, like a seasonic. i've heard that the evga B series is decent for the price too, but i don't actually know anyone who owns one personally so i can't back it up first hand.

or you could always drop the SSD for a 1tb HDD and get the SSD in a couple months on sale. that's what i did. i got a 1tb WD blue for £50 and got a hyper x SSD in the regular end of year sales for over 50% off retail price. it allowed me to afford an extra 8gb of ram when i budgeted my initial build.

>>60592571
no it's not. i know first hand people who own the 1060 3gb. it plays all the games i've seen run on it perfectly fine. even dogshit tier optimized games like playerunknowns battlegrounds run at high settings without a hitch. same goes for the most recent game i saw run on it which was Prey 2017.

>>60592599
3gb is a problem, the games that come out to day will stutter and lag terribly, because the card will be vram limited.
Absolutely noone, not even nvidia shills, will suggest you get the 3gb vram model. It's always bottlenecked by it's vram, in almost all games tested.

>>60592620
fuck off retard. you're just spouting nonsense with no evidence to back it. i bet you think 8gb vram is an absolute necessity for gaming too.
for the other anon it's literally me, someone who has seen the gpu in action first hand or some retard aka you, who is claiming it can't run "almost all games tested" properly because of it having 3gb vram despite having no proof.

find me 10 recent games which run at 60 fps locked with the 1060 3gb that shows signs of vram bottlenecking, e.g. big stutters from 60 fps to lower or freezes.

a 3gb card won't last nearly long enough to warrant the small amount of money you save. plain and simple.

>>60592663
Tomb raider for example.

You're an idiot if you buy a 1060 3gb despite being warned that it's not enough vram.

>>60592684
>30 seconds on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sRQGlhwEjE

maybe if you're some dimwit like you who probably maxes all games out on a midrange tier gpu and claims getting 30 fps is a vram bottleneck, you'd have these problems. anyone with a brain will know how to work with settings to get the most out of their hardware. this is why people with old 2gb gpu are still running modern games fine.

but graphics sliders don't exist amirite? all devs make their games targeted for 8gb vram gpu amirite?

Bump limit people.
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>>60592727
You complete idiot, you deserve being screwed over by the 3gb variant.
Have fun buying a new GPU next year because you can't run the modern games without running on the same graphics settings a RX 560 does.

>>60592764
>average fps higher than rx 470
>frametimes almost a perfect straight line, like the other 2 gpu

wow thanks for backing up my point, retard.

>>60592484
Look on geizhals.de (if you are from Germany)

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>>60592764
>digging yourself into a hole this deep

>>60592788
RX 470 is a much cheaper card, but it outperforms 1060 3gb because of the vram bottleneck.

It has higher average fps because it gained a huge lead at the start of the benchmark.

>>60592825
That's low vram scene, it's cherry picking.
It performs worse than RX 470, a MUCH CHEAPER card, in normal vram intensive settings, because of it's 3gb bottleneck.

Have fun with your absolutely terrible buy, you'll have to upgrade next year.

>>60592825
>literally nothing on the screen

>>60592855
still waiting for all this mountain of evidence suggesting that the 1060 3gb can't run modern games better than an rx 460. i even asked for a measly 10 games showing any signs of this being a major issue e.g. stuttering.

>>60592885
I just gave you it.
You bought a shit card, and I don't know why you're acting like that... Do you have that much regret over buying it?

Just sell it to some idiot while you can. You'll take some losses, but better than riding it out with that card.

>>60592901
you gave me evidence that the 1060 3gb can't run games better than an rx 460? where?

where are the 10 games i asked for too? can't see them.

>>60592921
>SPOONFEED ME COMMON SENSE OR ELSE YOU'RE WRONG!! IT WAS WORTH SAVING $50!! SHUT UP IDIOT!

>>60592931
>i can't provide any evidence

wow. more news at 1.