NordVPN

>>60575775
Can we please start bannig VPN shills?

>>60575775
VPN shill please go away. No one will pay you $80 a year for a jail ticket. Also nice PC magazine awards on your page, almost screams "FREE JAIL JUST PAY US $80"

>>60576951
>>60576969
U wot? I just bought a 2 year subscription to their shit, thinking it was good since it was nearly all green on that VPN site.
I'm still able to get a refund, please redpill me.

>>60576981
https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29

>>60576993
This is retarded

>>60577019
Why?

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>>60575775
Just use Tor, shithead. Stop using services that literally sell you.

I think the problem with most VPN providers is that how can you be sure they won't give your information away?

>>60577034
They have 0 reasons not to give info away.

>>60577047
$

>>60577061
How does not giving info away accrue money?

>>60577032
Tor is compromized faggot

>>60577303
>compromized
Tor is what?

>>60577303
No, it is not "compromised". Stop spreading lies.

>>60576993
This is dumb.
>The VPN providers are keeping logs and giving away your data to lawyers even if they say they aren't!!
It's like this moron doesn't understand what a track record is. I'll take my chances with PIA, as they haven't been reported to give away any logs, over my ISP who will always ALWAYS give away whatever ANYONE asks for.

>>60577369
>t. VPN shill discarding the rest of the info

What info? Link to a single case of someone getting rekt, besides HideMyAss, because a VPN provider said they wouldn't keep logs, but did anyway.

>>60576981
Are you retarded? How can a public company with awards be a good VPN? All VPNs are honeypots that have L2 logging in datacenters. NEVER EVER BUY A VPN, IF IT HAS ANY SORT OF JEWING TEXT, RUN AWAY FROM IT AS FAR AS U CAN.
>>60576993
This is legit. As someone who has multiple friends that all got raided and all those NO LOG VPNS provided logs to save their asses. The only way to be anonymous is to buy a server in russia for 500$ a month and set up your own VPN, buy multiple VPNs.

>>60577400
>VPN shill can't use 4chan properly
It's comical.

>>60577032
I'm not a pedophile

>>60577428
>in russia
Yeah, no.

>>60577428
>multiple friends that got raided
Pics or it didn't happen.

Post#60577429
I did that intentionally. You don't deserve any (You)s for screaming "SHILL!!! SHIIIIIILL!!!1"

>>60577450
>I did that intentionally.
Sure, shill.

You deserve the best goy award.

>>60577450
You want me to disclose my friends just to prove you that a company can get shut down by feds/whatever gov agency if they dont log/provide logs?
How can u be this dumb to believe NordVPN doesnt log, nigger they have awards from newspapers just to get more customers and offer 2 years for $65 or something, just to bait you into their honeypot.

Might as well switch to tunnelbear or hidemyass if u are that retarded. They keep your privacy safe with bears :D

>>60577449
give me one single reason why not

@60577459
>no arguments
>autistic screeching
lol

>>60577466
You made a claim. I expect you to provide evidence for that claim. If you cannot, then your claim is worthless and irrelevant.

>>60577473
They are going to log all of the traffic soon. Do you want your traffic, encrypted or not, to be logged for half a year?

>>60577479
Like your existence.

>>60577428
>friends got raided

For what, faggot. Maybe they shouldn't have been committing crimes.

>>60577479
>>autistic screeching
"BUY PIA LOL INSTEAD OF SETTING YOUR OWN SERVER" is autistic screeching.
Fucking VPN shills.

>>60577428
I mean, I agree about not using public VPN services, yadda yadda but

>buy a server in russia
Is pretty stupid

Russia has insanely strict laws regarding the internet. Your only hope is language barrier, otherwise you're pretty much signing up for being logged and labeled as a criminal.

>>60577484
But VPNs are made for committing crimes, anon.

>>60577504
>I'll take my chances with PIA, as they haven't been reported to give away any logs
>I swear I am not a shill!
Yeah, whatever you say, shill.

>>60577484
Burger please stop, why else would you use a VPN? To check your gmail account with chrome? Or log in to facebook/instagram/yt?

>>60577492
True I think there is a new law from 2017 or so forcing them to log because 90% of that country internet traffic is stolen CCs

>>60577504
Please idiot, everyone knows tunnelbear and cyberghost are best VPNs and do not log!

@60577521
Strange, I don't see "buy PIA" anywhere in that quote.
Yes, I stated my thought process and reasoning. If you have evidence to the contrary I invite you to share it. "SHILL!! SHIIIIIILL!!! SHILL!!!!11" shitposting isn't going to do anything except make you look like a moron.

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>>60577535
Here shill, I know it burns ;)

>>60577535
>Strange, I don't see "buy PIA" anywhere in that quote.
Yeah, that's how ads work, they literally scream "buy it" at you. In your world you can't even admit that the phrase "native advertising" even exists. You're not cheating any-fucking-body here, shill.

>>60577535
It double arrow for quoting posts, not dog ear, faggit.

Here is a supplement for you: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>60577535
How much do they pay you? Whats your conversion ratio? Show us some referral logs to checkout.

>>60575775
Nord is great. Don't listen to the autism. They literally have no alternative ideas

>>60577526
>True I think there is a new law from 2017 or so forcing them to log because 90% of that country internet traffic is stolen CCs
There are already laws that have been in effect for years about monitoring internet traffic because of the country-wide blacklist

Plus Russia has retarded definitions of some things. For example, if you're torrenting a video of a 40 years old hag that screams "fuck me daddy" through Russian VPS, you're literally spreading crusty pizza by Russian laws. Not that anyone would actually send KGB after you because of that, but your hosting provider can shut your VPS down at any moment.

>>60577595
"Yeah, just take the gamble, goy, I swear-- I pinky-swear we don't log!"

>>60577466
>Le it's too good to be true :^)

>>60577594
Can we get 3 years jail time discount code please?

>>60577610
If anyone asks, the best we can do is shrug our shoulders

>>60577032
This

>>60577607
You get a (You) for not screaming shill.
You realize the claims you're making are similar to the kind of claims moon landing deniers make, right?
>stupid sheep! we can't even get to the moon now, but you think we could in the 60s?! that's what they want you to believe!
Just give me a single example. If it's so common and obvious this should not be difficult at all.

>>60577653
Sorry shill we dont sell common sense here.

>>60577595
>Just show me one (1) single occurrence of someone getting v& because the provider lied.

earthvpn and hidemyass say hi

>>60577653
What you essentially believe is that VPN providers are ready to take the fall in case some cyberpedoterrorist will post something that authorities will find very interesting using their service.

>>60577595
>@
Do you really type each post number manually or reeplace the arrows with "at" each time?
https://www.ivpn.net/blog/vpn-privacy-policies-decoded-hide-my-ass
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/26/hidemyass_lulzsec_controversy/

>>60577504
How is the link stupid?

There literally are 0 reasons for VPN provider not to log you
I don't think anyone is supposed to prove the opposite, I think it's VPN providers who should prove that they don't log, because customers are supposed to trust them with their data

>>60577672
HideMyAss never claimed to not keep logs. Only idiots thought that it did.
>EarthVPN
http://www.wipeyourdata.com/other-data-erasing/no-logs-earthvpn-user-arrested-after-police-finds-logs/
>On EarthVPN defence, a representative claimed in the lowendtalk forums that although they do not keep logs, Dutch police had seized one of their servers with a court order and they suspected that the datacenter was keeping IP transfer logs to protect against Distributed Denial Of Service attacks which is how they managed to track down this person.
Well, I don't think this qualifies as the VPN itself keeping logs, but it's good enough. I wonder if the server was able to be seized without notification because of EU laws.
>>60577677
Why would they take the fall? As far as I understand it they can't be v& for someone abusing the service regardless of whether they can provide identifying information. At least under US law.
>>60577691
I replace the meme arrows.

>>60577732
>Why would they take the fall? As far as I understand it they can't be v& for someone abusing the service regardless of whether they can provide identifying information. At least under US law.
Remember Apple dispute?

>>60577732
Also, still 0 reasons not to order a VPS instead of a VPN.
Typical shill.

>>60577763
Apple would have won that case before it even went to appeals though. Even the FBI knew that which is why they bought the 0 day from the Israelis/NSA.
@60577770
A VPS is tied to your name and credit card. If you want to use a VPN to do illegal or questionable things it seems counterproductive to attach things to your real name.

>>60577803
>he can't buy a VPS anonymously using bitcoins
Stupid shill.

I'm looking into PIA's terms of service and can't find anything about "not logging"

They actually promise to take legal action against you if you break any laws or their ToS, and send your info to the authorities "as deemed reasonably necessary"

>>60577860
Stupid fucking shill got blown the fuck out.

>>60577330
tits or gtfo

@60577855
Not sure what the difference between paying for a VPN with Bitcoin and paying for a VPS with Bitcoin is then. Your VPS provider will likely keeps logs ex: Linode.
>>60577860
How exactly are they going to identify "you" if they have no logs of who you are? It's a very popular VPN. If they were going to v& people I think there would be at least one case by now.

>>60577901
>Your VPS provider will likely keeps logs ex: Linode.
That are totally useless because I connect via TOR, lol. Get fucked, shill.

@60577925
So connect to a VPN from Tor? It's literally the same thing.

>>60577955
No, a VPS is cheaper, has more functionality and your IP is not tainted.

>>60577967
>Cheaper
Depends.
>More functionality
But we're talking it about in the case of functioning as a VPN.
>not tainted
Don't really know what you mean. Connecting to a VPS through tor is exactly the same as connecting to a commercial VPN through tor. I'd assume many VPS providers don't even allow you to do that. I know Linode doesn't.

>>60577989
>Depends.
It really does not.

>But we're talking it about in the case of functioning as a VPN.
Yeah, ok, just a little pleasant extra.

>Don't really know what you mean.
Connecting to a resourse using a VPS is much less suspicious than with a VPN.

>I'd assume many VPS providers don't even allow you to do that.
There are ways around that.

Crime or not, there's literally 0 reasons to use a VPN.

>>60577303
what to use then?

>>60578021
>Crime or not, there's literally 0 reasons to use a VPN.

I use it to get around port blocks on my uni network and keep network admins from seeing what pages I visit.

>>60578037
Use a VPS, it's cheaper.

>>60578021
>There are ways around that.
I suppose so. I think it would be easier to simply use a VPN service that explicitly allows Tor instead of trying to get around blocks (and violate the VPS ToS which will get your VPS suspended even if you are not v&)
>Literally 0 reasons
Ease of setup.

>>60577901
>How exactly are they going to identify "you" if they have no logs of who you are?
Well, maybe they actually keep them? Again, there isn't a single reason for them not to keep logs, especially if they're threatening with legal action.

You can obviously go to court and try to get your ten bucks back because they lied about not keeping logs, but only after you finish doing the time.

About v& cases, those may be hard to find, because when cops break into your house, they don't scream "PIA sends their regards", you probably just go to court and then to jail. If v& cases would be easy to find, hidemyass would go out of business.

>>60578059
>easier
>Ease
So it all boils down to this.

>>60578068
VPNs can be a side channel too.

>>60578081
Wait, that's the wrong term. What I meant is that they can help LEs unofficially.

>>60578068
>Maybe they actually keep them
Their entire service model is based on not doing that. There are also no data retention laws in the US, and abiding by DCMA doesn't necessitate keeping logs.
>Threatening with legal action
PIA has explicitly stated they will go to court if the government or any other agency tries to force them into keeping logs or de-anonymizing users. Of course there is no way to prove that they will do this, but they have yet to provide information to any authorities resulting in a v&.
>May be hard to find
Lulzsec and HMA were very public events. PIA would be the same way.

>>60578070
Given the restrictions we've been discussing and the assumption that every provider WILL log (I'm not sure this is true), then yes. The only real differences between setting up your own VPS and using a commercial service are price and ease of use. Whichever is more important to you determines which is the better option.

>>60578141
Finally shill admits that only stupid kids use VPNs.

>>60578141
>PIA has explicitly stated they will go to court if the government or any other agency tries to force them into keeping logs or de-anonymizing users.
PIA explicitly stated that they'll send your data to the authorities in their ToS. You're literally signing up (by using their service and agreeing with their ToS) for deanonmization in case if you'll break the law OR their ToS.

>>60578282
https://helpdesk.privateinternetaccess.com/hc/en-us/articles/219457547-Do-you-log-the-traffic-of-your-users-

>>60578282
How could they possibly give up information they don't have? This is exactly like the Apple case someone mentioned earlier. They have obligation to retain data, and failure to posses that data is not a crime. That line is essentially saying
>Yeah we'd give up user information stored in logs... if we kept them!
It's your choice to believe or disbelieve their claims, but until you can produce an example of them relinquishing logs resulting in a v& those claims are pure speculation.

>>60578348
>How could they possibly give up information they don't have?
lol

>>60575775
I've been using nordvpn for three years now, no complaints so far. Of course their vpn speeds could be faster I guess but they've worked quite alright for my use.

>>60578348
*they have no obligation to retain data

Is there any known case except hidemyass where the user was traced back though the vpn that resulted in a lawsuit?

Someone should try posting llegal content all over the place to make sure if PIA keeps logs. If it does your account won't be even terminated.

>>60578434
Does this count as asking for CP?

>>60578434
>Someone posts illegal content
Everyone already does
If you use a VPN you can see on sites like iknowhatyoudownload what other users downloaded through the IP of the server you use

>>60578457
No, since 4chan probably won't let you post here using a VPN. Also, there are a lot more illegal things than CP and PIA warns about local laws too (i.e. where user resides).

>>60578458
Torrenting being illegal in general is quite shaky.

>>60575775
>VPN
Why? What is the point?
I would understand if you had your own server and used an ssh tunnel to redirect your connections but why would you rent a random VPN?

>>60577498
>>60577526
You can use a VPN to hide ur ip when gaming or some shit to avoid getting ddos'd or hide ur stuff from ur isp

>>60578531
KYS.

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>>60578481
Torrenting itself isn't illegal obviously

I just wanted to say that everyone is torrenting illegal stuff on VPNs and there are few to no cases where they got caught through the VPN

Pic related is one of the AirVPN servers I use

>>60577303
This

>>60577330
Please stop bullshitting. Why would you trust a trashware that uses 80-bit truncated SHA-1s as addresses of 1024 bit RSA and 1024 bit DH?
These are known to be broken.

>>60578033
I2P

>>60578531
Do you even know how internet works?

>>60576993
>There are roughly two usecases where you might want to use a VPN:

>You are on a known-hostile network (eg. a public airport WiFi access point, or an ISP that is known to use MITM), and you want to work around that.

>However, in practice, just don't use a VPN provider at all, even for these cases.

They don't provide a solution for safe use of public WiFi, they just tell you to not use a VPN? Thanks github guy

>>60578541
>I just wanted to say that everyone is torrenting illegal stuff on VPNs and there are few to no cases where they got caught through the VPN
Because pursuit of the downloader ends on the VPN stage, duh.

>>60578553
Except they do provide a solution, idiot.

>>60578542
>Please stop bullshitting. Why would you trust a trashware that uses 80-bit truncated SHA-1s as addresses of 1024 bit RSA and 1024 bit DH?
They are ditching it.

>>60578578
The have been "ditching" it since 2013.

>>60578563
>Implying yourself isn't a VPN provider

>>60578589
>non-commercial projects tend to be developed extremely slowly
STOP THE PRESSES

>>60578596
What

>>60578615
If you set up your own VPN, are you a VPN provider?

>>60578626
No.

>>60578633
Who provides it if not yourself?

>>60577770
Actually wouldn't it be easier to find you with a VPS? They have CC and probably real personal information. In a home connection scenario you could say you have no idea who did what because friends and family are free to use the connection as they want.

>>60578641
Well, if you want to play verbalism then yes, you're a VPS provider. You're also an ISP if you connectd your mom's smartphone to your Wi-Fi connection.

I use a VPN to pirate at school, watch porn and 4chan when it's blocked. There is 3 reasons to use one

>>60578657
>They have CC and probably real personal information.
Do they?

>>60575775
Most people talking about VPNs are shills. You can't trust any posts, positive or negative.

>>60578607
Except that this concerns security and they are using and will be using for the next few years a totally broken system while other projects do not.
As I said, just use I2P.

>>60578673
Nice blog.

>>60577967
>IP is not tainted
I haven't found a VPS provider yet that doesn't have untainted IP. Every fucking service that matter detects it originates from a datacenter and not an ISP. Kind of annoying and got my netflix account suspended. Not like there is any vpn provider either that is relibable on that front either.

>>60578684
>totally broken system
???

>>60578697
Fair point, anon.

>>60578553
I use my vpn server, or my office's vpn server, or my cabin's vpn server. I have quite a few servers laying around with fibre connections.

>>60578702
see >>60578542
And not to mention 128-bit AES in ctr with a nonce of 0.

>>60578763
https://medium.com/@alecmuffett/no-the-shattered-sha-1-attack-does-significantly-impact-tor-yet-f64f859cc287
What about this?

>>60578828
What about this?

>>60578847
You say it's an issue, they say it's not. Whom should I trust?

>>60578858
Using an outdated hash function truncated at 80 bits is an issue indeed. In fact it would still be an issue even if you used a modern hash function.

The biggest issue however is the 1024 bit DH, see https://weakdh.org/imperfect-forward-secrecy-ccs15.pdf

>>60578886
>All currently supported Tor versions, when built with OpenSSL 1.0 or later, prefer 256-bit elliptic-curve Diffie Hellman for their TLS connections, not the 1024-bit Diffie Hellman over Z_p as discussed in this paper.
So this is not true?

>>60578670
Oh cool I didn't know I was an ISP too, fucking sweet I'm gonna tell everyone

>>60578944
They still support the 1024 bit DH which makes them unsafe.

>>60578959
Fucking CIA nigger trying to discredit TOR as usual.

>>60578973
Are you claiming that I am incorrect somehow? I would be glad if you bothered to explain.

Tor does not need me in order to be discredited, it can do so by itself.

>>60578994
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2015-May/008868.html
Tor devs say it's safe, some rando says it's not.

>Tor does not need me in order to be discredited, it can do so by itself.
Yeah, with JS enabled.

Just use Pia for free if you have to use a vpn. They throw around free subscriptions.

>>60577032

>56kbit/s speed

no thanks

>>60579036
Pedo detected.

>>60575775
>Drachenlord on 4chan
Why

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>>60579060
Reasons

>>60576993
Stupid Fuck

>>60579101
Yet another VPN shill BTFO!

>>60579060
I thought meddl leude died out years ago

>>60577855
That's what I did with PureVPN. BTC all the way.

>>60576993
lmfoa wrng wrong wrong
ofc you can still be tracked but its another layer so why not

>>60577032
>using something made by the us military to protect his ass

>>60577428
>This is legit. As someone who has multiple friends that all got raided and all those
What kind of friends do you have?
Most of us are not selling drugs or killing people for money or hacking or whatever kind of shadyass stuff. we just want to download torrents and post here without leaving traces. If you are one of those other guys, internet is not for you and you will get busted at wome point, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but it will happen.

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fags

>>60578476
4chan is fine using a VPN im using now

>>60581011
I've used mullvad.se for years. Surprised more people don't know about it. I pay by posting them $100 cash every so often because I won't use memecoin

I used to use ipredator while it was run by the pirate bay but it was sold off and didn't trust them

>>60581102
Your subscription was extended by one month.

>>60581283
Not really although I know it sounds like I'm shilling

They're autists with security. which is a good thing.

>>60580912
>Stop having conversations!

I've used it. It's very slow and unreliable, and a meme pushed by shill Redditors as being the most trustworthy VPN.

>>60582123
Slow no, unreliable yes