/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Is this the real thread or the butthurt drama thread by the guy who calls everybody a shill

>>60566389
This is the real thread, contains the same OP as all the previous ones

repost from old thread: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+RX+560&id=3708
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125975
Passmark says 560s are 8x PCIe, product listing here says 16x. Can non-ref cards change the architecture like that, or is newegg's listing wrong, or what?

>>60566411
One of them is wrong but why does this matter to you? RX 560 is way to weak to come anywhere near the bandwidth limits of 8x regardless

would a z170 chipset mobo be efficient with a kabylake cpu after the bios update?

Alright ill post it in here too

I cleaned out dust on my cpu fan and the heatsink, when i put everything back together, my fan blade broke. I guess it settled in the dust and cleaning it fucked the bearings..

Went and bought a new one. It starts fine till it gets between 55c-63c and it shuts off. Im almost positive i installed it the same way as the other one. Any suggestions? My only other guess is new thermal paste

Only ever built once

>>60566411
The newegg one is 16x which can easily be seen looking at the PCIe connector

>>60566459
Yes. But you have to be 100% sure you'll be able to do that bios updates, which can't happen with kaby-lake CPUs.

>>60566462
Are you sure you didn't install the cooler wrong?
What cooler did you get? How much thermal paste?

>>60566553
I bought a i6 6700k with a maximus VIII ranger and the guys putting it together promised the bios update in case I want to upgrade to a kabylake cpu later
it's fine as long as 6700k is there then?

>>60566591
An i5 6700k is skylake so it won't need a bios update. If you want to upgrade to Kaby Lake later on you can always do the bios update yourself on your i5.
Also, why did you buy an i5?

>>60566650
i didn't buy an i5, 6700k is an i7

bros

https://geizhals.de/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-d5-4g-gv-n105td5-4gd-a1526016.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

or

https://geizhals.de/sapphire-pulse-radeon-rx-560-4gd5-11267-00-20g-a1615318.html?hloc=at&hloc=de

Seagates HDD okay?

how do you pick a mobo? Is it worth paying 200$+? I'm only going to do some gaming at 1440p/144hz and some gamedev/programming. No fancy stuff (what even is fancy stuff anyway?).

Also do current mobos affect what kind of ram and cpu you can put in it or do they all support old and new types of both?

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>>60566658
Oh right, you wrote i6 so i got confused and thought you meant i5.

>>60566661
Picture related is how the 560 performs.
I'd recommend getting a GTX 1050Ti because RX 560 is quite low end.

>>60566680
Yes

>>60566568
Its just a stock fan i replaced with an insignia brand 80mm. Just the same dc and what not. It plugs directly into the motherboard. The only difference is its 3 pins vs 4 skinnh lil shits.

It runs nice, i can hear it adjust. Should i flip it?

I didnt add new paste.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zkvxd6

Is this PSU really adequate?

>>60566716
Get the correct socket with enough SATA for what you want.
Higher end mobo are only worth it if you plan on overclocking pretty high and don't want to keep crashing or melt your mobo, but in the case of ryzen it's efficient enough that they're not necessary under an 8 core.

>>60566478
a 16x connector doesn't mean running at 16x.

>>60566716
You pick a mobo based on overclocking & feature needs (SLI / Xfire, PCIelane, wifi, SATA ports, PCIe slots, etc)

>Also do current mobos affect what kind of ram and cpu you can put in it or do they all support old and new types of both?
Specific CPUs go into specific sockets. A b350 mobo is AM4 socket, so an AM3 CPU or Intel's LGA 1151 CPU won't go in there.
RAM depends on what the CPU support. If it supports DDR4 then only DDR4 can go in, if it supports DDR3 then only DDR3 can go in.

>>60566735
>I didnt add new paste.
You didn't put thermal paste between the CPU & cooler?
That's why it overheats then, always clean old thermal paste & put new one when changing cooler.
Preferably using some alcohol to make sure it all goes away.

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>>60566432
No GPU can come anywhere near the bandwidth limits of 8x PCIe 3.0.
The 1080 only loses 4% at 4x even

>>60566871
Good to know that this doesn't matter, thanks

>>60566838
I thought i might gotten away with it, plus Shitbuy didnt have any paste at 830pm. As5 is the standard still?

Also whats the consensus on fans on the heatsink, blow air into it or out?

If I get 2 fans to put on a air cooler do I need a splitter cable for the cpu fan pin on my mb?

>>60566940
Blow out if you're OCing, blow in if you're not. Blow sideways for better framerates

>>60566971
most modern motherboards have multiple fan headers

>>60566940
>Also whats the consensus on fans on the heatsink, blow air into it or out?
You blow air into it, that's the best way to carry it away.

>>60566409
So it's AMD approved?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Q9NhLD

How's this?

The cooler that comes with the Ryzen 5 1600 is good enough?

>>60566996
It has no brand approval.

>>60567002
No, I'm asking if the OP has AMD's Seal of Approval.

>>60566982
Thanks anon

>>60567001
Could save money by going for either of these SSDs
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ktzv6h/kingston-internal-hard-drive-sv300s37a240g
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yPbp99/sandisk-internal-hard-drive-sdssdhii240gg25
The stock cooler is good but only for slight OCs.

>>60567016
No.

>>60567039
Then what's the point? It's recommending too many Intel stuff, IMO

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>>60566982
>Blow out if you're OCing, blow in if you're not. Blow sideways for better framerates
STOP BULLYING HIM

>>60567054
>It's recommending too many X brands
Go away.

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>>60566982
I had an xps 430 that went sideways, the morherboard is dead now but i still have it around collecting dust. Pic related

Also in pic, said fan that fucking ate it. In its installation configuration.

Thanks boys, ill get some paste and hope thats all it is.

>>60566814
so mobo+cpu+ram are all linked tightly together

well that's good to know.

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>>60566982
>Blow out if you're OCing, blow in if you're not. Blow sideways for better framerates

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sMXzd6

First build in 6 years, please rate and give advice.

On loonix and in yurop if that matters.

>>60567093

It hurts me to see that fan damaged like that - those particular fans are absolute beasts.

>>60567069
Its ok anon, im not learned enough in hardware. Not THAT stupid, only stupid enough to not put new paste.

Also my xps in previois post is sideways and thats a pc from 2008 if i recall

>>60567155
Ditch the cooler and get an R5 1500x instead, the 1400 is quite low end and has much less cache than the R5 1500x making it perform noticeably worse
The stock cooler is very quiet

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>>60567172
I know, it turned on and spit the blade out and make terrible noises.

Big one works but not in my current pc, pic related is current pc.

>>60567179
Will do, the price difference between the 1400 and the 1500x is <€15 anyways.

Is the rest all alright? I haven't fucked around with pc parts in years.

Can someone suggest a mid tower case that has good cooling with minimal LEDs? Don't care too much about silence, would rather have better cooling.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PbK9Yr

>>60567301

Big one to check is if 1) the hyper evo inherently fits AM4 and 2) if not, is it worth the effort to bitch at coolermaster for a bracket?

>>60567322
It requires a bracket
Pretty much all cooler do, unless they have an AM3+ mounting mechanism

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wdR3nn r8 or h8

>>60566786
>Is this PSU really adequate?
perfectly. Though you could step down to 80+ Bronze fully modular to save some money. That said, yea, that PSU is perfectly fine. Your system isn't gonna spike to 400 watts, let alone 500.

>>60567388
Can't find anything wrong. Decent build m8.

>>60567388
Is that expensive mobo needed?
Also, could save money by going for either of these SSDs
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ktzv6h/kingston-internal-hard-drive-sv300s37a240g
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yPbp99/sandisk-internal-hard-drive-sdssdhii240gg25

What's the best place to buy pc parts in EU?

>>60567308
black NZXT S340. Just add a few fans to the front. Case doesn't come with them because it's built for water cooling.

>>60567470
are they fast?

>>60567546
Yes. Both very, very close in speed.

what do you do about the OS, specifically windows?

>>60566347
about to pull the trigger on this. Rate it please

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nrYF9W

>>60567590
what about it?

>>60567602
pirate, OEM, etc?

barring installing gentoo, of course

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>>60567588
and heres the case

>>60567611
Download official iso from official microsoft website then crack using KMSpico

Can anyone spoonfeed me a safe win 10 activator? been scouring the net and nothing seems very promising
>hahahahah windows 10
Have you ever used a god damn b350 motherboard? It's a nightmare.

r8 pls, I never really build PCs.

I'll probably be skimping on some bits to go a bit cheaper, as I was hoping to be lower than 800.

Budget is 500-800 or so, a mid-level "good" gaymin' PC, here's what I have for now.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dHRPd6

>>60567646
>It's a nightmare.
Why?
For the W10 activator there's KMSPico, you can get it on pirate bay.

>>60567666
newfag detected

>>60567663
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hJg7Fd
If you want to OC in the future as both this CPU and motherboard allow for it
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/g7GTxY
If you don't care about it
No i5 because the R5 1500x is slightly better, and can be overclocked.
Video of i5 vs r5 1500x:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE

If you can afford to build/upgrade a PC, why not a legit OEM key?

>>60567666
>why is it a nightmare
>666

Bruh, need I say more? This things cursed. Seriously tho, I couldn't install windows 7 without a ps/2 kb+m even using usb 2.0. So I had to use win 10

>>60567663
here.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t7s43F

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>>60567720
Ehh I might try to OC but I feel like I'd be likely to fry my PC even though I'm told it's simple as shit nowadays.

>frying a computer because I try to OC it and fuck up
>My potential face when this hypothetical situation

can the Ryzen 5 work on win7?

>>60567720
I have around the same budget, but where I live the 1070 would be too expensive to fit in 800$ budget (with the same parts you recommended, no OC). So 1060 or 570? RX580 is 300$ here

>>60567752
This was the AMD one I was looking at.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/btWq8K

No need for a SSD, I've already got a new-ish one I'll be recycling from my old PC.

>>60567722
those 20$ OEM keys you see are likely pirated keys.

What's adequate cooling if you live in south Florida, and ambient temps in the day are 90+?

Blasting AC 24/7 isn't logical, and it doesn't reach where I'd put the tower so no circulation.

>>60567765
Technically Ryzen & Kaby-Lake CPUs do work on W7, but you'll need to include mouse drivers in the windows USB & download something to unblock updates

https://github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19
https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/125921-how-to-add-drivers-manually-to-a-usb-drive-to-install-windows-7-using-a-usb-3-0-port

>>60567765
Nope

>>60567795 how can you afford a nice computer and not afford air conditioning?

>>60567793
I mean full-on legit, not stolen.
10 Home is $100, is there a real reason why to avoid it?

>>60567824
Nothing about not affording it, the room I'd use it in doesn't have a vent to receive it.

And no it's not a basement. Just curious if I'd have to supplement cooling because I prefer to not have ambient noise.

Is there such thing as a trustworthy free VPN?

I have an i5 3570K, 1080p monitor and just ordered a GTX 1060 3GB

How fucked am i

>>60567825
because i'm not shilling microjew 150 CAD to spy on me

>>60567870
none

>>60567839
yah cause if you can't get AC and don't wanna spin the fans at 100 you'll probably need water cooling.

>>60567891

Ok cool

>>60567781
Is nvidia better for gaming and 570 for other purposes? Also freesync wouldn't be a dealbreaker with budget card

>>60567784
fair enough on the SSD, but I really would spring for the Asrock Pro 4 B350 motherboard. Unless you never plan on adding more ram for 16GB.

>>60567915
No brand is better than the other for gaming.

>>60567946
But is spending extra sheckels on 1060 worth the performance gains over 570

>>60567915
AMD and nvidia are basically identical in GPUs right now with only price brackets determining which you should go with, with the exception of the ultra low budget where power consumption becomes important in not blowing out a 250watt prebuilt's PSU

As5 or ceramique on cpu?

What's a good ATX tower for a mid tier build?

>>60568010
3GB version? no, it's not worth at all
6GB? At that point you reach RX 580 8GB pricepoint and it's generally a more appealing card
Yes, it's somewhat worth the extra shekel

>>60568053
NXZT S340

>>60568010
It is faster, yes.
If it's within your budget you can never go wrong with spending more on a GPU as long as that gpu is actually faster.

>>60567723
Why didn't you buy a two dollar mouse or something at a secondhand store if it's for the sake of avoiding Windows 10? It seems like a good investment to me.

>>60568078
580 is 50€ too much. Only way I could afford it is a really cheap mobo and reuse my old CX430 psu, which I assume is not enough for powerhungry AMD cards

>>60568097
All the decent priced 580s are out of stock at the moment for some reason. i wonder what's happening.

>>60568133
Miners.

>>60568126
Its still enough senpai

>>60568136
God damn post-millenials

>>60568157
430w might be pushing it.
it's definitely enough on paper but how the amperage is divvied out across rails is important and some 580s can take over 200watts to run.
I wouldn't go lower than 500watts on a standard PSU or 450 on a good one.

ryzen 1700 vs 7700k? mainly for plex and light gaming

Newegg has an MSI 1080 for $465 not including the rebate. Do I take the deal and upgrade my 970, or do I wait for Vega? I do have a freesync monitor but the range is ~90-144hz, which is relatively mediocre for my needs.

Can anybody recommend an old gpu i can get cheap and used?
I want to upgrade my old dell optiplex 745 with a core 2 duo e6300 so it can at least play something like team fortress 2 and minecraft, thanks.

>>60568269
r9 280x

>The CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the MSI - B350 PC MATE ATX AM4 Motherboard.
Anyone know what I need to buy?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CdyBtJ

>>60568242
Neither.
You wont need 1700 performance for that and a 7700K is overpriced and only for gaming over 100FPS
1600 would be a bit overkill for plex but it's much cheaper than the 1700 and is 80% of the performance in heavily multithreaded workload and is slightly better in gaming at stock.

>>60568317
>Anyone know what I need to buy?
You need to go on cryorig's website and ask their support an AM4 bracket.

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Any reason why this SATA power cable is different on its pinout?

Left is from corsair right is from EVGA. Corsair cable reads type 4 the other reads BQ. I ask because the evga cable has all the connectors upside down and it's a pain in the ass because I can't connect all my drives on one cable but I can on the corsair cable but the pins are different

does anyone use a m.2 drive? are there any benefits? they seem really pricy

>>60568269
You actually dont want to go old with prebuilts.
They have fragile and anemic PSUs and you wouldn't get the most out of them with older less efficient architectures.
Assuming you dont want to/cant change out the PSU, you should get a GTX 1050, or if you've got an SFF version of that PC, a GT1030
There are faster cards at those price points if you go used, but they will definitely have power draw that your PC will not be able to handle.

Why is it so god damned hard to find a case that fits this criteria:

>has optical drive capacity
>good airflow for air cooled systems
>doesn't have a fuck ton of LEDs
>isn't in some funky alien-like shape

>>60568458
You're thinking of NVME M.2 which is not the same as M.2
They're for productivity purposes, don't buy them unless you do that.
You can always buy regular M2 which have the same speed as other SSDs minus the cable & the size

>>60568458
They're only significant improvements over SATA SSDs in a few obscure use cases. For game and program loading the improvement is either imperceptible or non-existent and for boot times it's the same or slightly worse depending on how your motherboard handles NVMe drives.

Is 4k60hz gaming good? Ignoring costs.

For example would you rather play something like GTA V at 4k60 IPS or 1080p90+ TN. Or having both is fine too?

>>60568348
Because of course they are. Having a single standard for modular cables would be way too convenient and much cheaper for the customer after all.

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Do any of you have experience with the box shaped cases?

Been thinking of getting one just because I might like to take my PC to a relatives house if I stay there or similar.

pic related

>>60568538
High refresh is good but TN is a garbage panel type, in this case I would go for a 4k IPS.

>>60568538
>1080p90+
What are you some kind of faggot?
1080p is only good for 240Hz.
For around ~100fps you might as well go 1440p.
As for 4K, it's pretty good only if you're ignoring the cost. Otherwise the improvement is not really worth the money it takes to get there 1440p is close enough to the same image quality and can cost nearly half as much to accomplish.

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>>60568217
>some 580s can take over 200watts to run

Wait, 580s takes more than 1080? oh lol

>>60568633
A 4k 60hz IPS is cheaper than 144hz 1440p.

>>60568676
>hehe I got this 4 monitor
>now i can play games and get less FPS while also seeing less FPS

this is you

>>60568609
friend of mine has that. It's not any easier to move than a normal shaped case with handles, really.

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>>60568639
Well that's what happens when you rebrand and overclock a gpu that was already at it's peak efficiency.

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>>60568609
I have pic related. I might not be pretty ( I like it though ) but it's cheap and cool because they put in a hilariously overkill 200mm fan at front. It's obviously a matx/mini-itx case. I'm surprised those type of box cases aren't more popular. They look better than towers.

>>60568538
Depends on what you value more which is individual.

I cant see the difference between 60hz and 144hz even, While im rather sensitive to low DPI. I'm even content with 30fps gaming if it has decent motion blur and is stable and locked.

It's also about display sizes. 1080 looks bad on anything above 22-24".

1440p looks bad on anything above 30-32".

40" 4k screens are really nice for games other than moba and rts (which you can window), they are like ultrawides but you get more screen and pay less.

>>60568639
Well yeah, Nvidia has AMD beat by a big margin at the efficiency game

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>>60568727
>Face PC at you
>Have a nice breeze while gayming

neat

>>60568688
But 4k is 125% more pixels.

Obviously the best gaming setup would be 1440p144hz IPS with freesync/g-sync and 1080p240hz TN.

>>60568727
The big fan is a good idea as long as you can control it well. Bigger fan = less noise for the same amount of air moved.

>>60568774
4k is not 125% more pixels. it's 300% more. So 400% the pixels of 1080p. 2 073 600 vs 8 294 400

>>60568476
Sounds like every mid range case

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>>60568694
>1050ti takes 4 times less power RX580
>almost 1080ti numbers

lol AMD more like MAD. I hope Vega has lower power draws because holy shit

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>>60568844
Vega will probably be more efficient than polaris simply due to the fact that if it weren't it would need water cooling to reach the compute performance they've claimed.
Polaris has about the same perf/watt as maxwell and Vega is supposed to be twice as fast as the 980ti, so do that math.

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My AMD 7800 died, what fine replacement do you think is the best? i5 3.40 CPU, 8 Mem, and Asus motherboard. Thank you in advance.

>>60568958
For 1080p gaming? An RX 470/570 does a great job at it. RX 580 for higher performance.

>>60569001

Thank you.

>>60568958
A 460 or 1050/1050ti would be a significant upgrade over that without breaking the bank.
Dont go any higher than a 1060/480 though

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Won an RX 570 in a giveaway

none of my games scale with 2 GPUs

and the ones that are using both GPUS

Elite Dangerous
Civilization 6
Total Warhammer

Either show no scaling or worse scaling

currently installing Deus EX mankind divided which should have 100% GPU scaling, and I will be testing WoW shortly


am I doing something wrong or what?

Speccy is wrong crossfire is enabled, I'm monitoring the cards with 2 GPU-Z windows

both cards are set to 1400/1900mhz and both are stable at that OC speed

it's a 4GB RX 480 and 4GB RX 570

>>60569021
>Dont go any higher than a 1060/480 though

Is it not worth it?

>>60569035
Am i missing something or are you seriously wondering why you are having trouble crossfiring 2 different GPUs?

>>60569066
Not with that CPU unless you've got a 4K monitor or something.

>>60569066
Worse fps/$ at more expensive cards
480/1060 already maxes almost everything 1080p
your cpu will bottleneck anything higher at 1080p

>>60569091
>>60569107

Thank you for your advise.

>>60569120
Advise is a verb.

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>>60568844
>>60568951
You know you guys can undervolt a 480 easily get under 150W max power draw right?

I'm guessing AMD likes to go overboard on voltage just to ensure stability

my card is pretty stable running firestrike even at -96mV

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>>60566347
Hi guys so i m building pc from old parts and there is one issue

Motherboard
MSI H61M-G35 (G3)(MS-7680)
From manual:
Chipset intel® H6 (B3)

Memory Support 4 ddr3 diMMs support ddr3 1333/ 1066 SdrAM (total Max. 16GB) Supports dual-Channel mode
Later in manual:
due to the chipset limitation, this mainboard supports installing up to 2 doubleside memory modules or up to 4 single-side memory modules.


It is very rare to find 4gb single sided modules and i already have 2 double sided so I wonder if the standard double sided modules will really not work

To me this manual part looks like error but I m not sure.

What are your experiences with this?

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>>60569069
They're both polaris 10, it works fine, and should work fine for the most part

https://youtu.be/R_6NjXcHAzk?t=167


Also it scales pretty much 100% in firestrike naturally, normally stuck at 14,000 graphics score

except for the combined test which has extremely mixed GPU usage, drops to 0% at times, not sure what the issue there is

>>60568348
get a manicure please

>>60568844
The RX560 uses roughly the same power as a 1050 while matching the 1050Ti in DX12 and Vulkan performance.

You have to be really fucking dumb and new to tech if you don't understand Vcore/Fmax relationships, and you shouldn't be posting.

>>60569420
don't be such a fanboy :)

>>60568348
DO NOT FUCKING MIX MODULAR PSU CABLES YOU DUMB FUCK

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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/873pLD

Budget build for me mum. She browses Facebook, uses email, watches YouTube, has a ton of tabs open and streams some Netflix.

She's currently using a shitty dual-core AMD cheapo pre-built special and now she's terrified of dual-cores because it's always hanging (the fucking thing thermal throttles hard under any load). I tell her the Pentium will be fine, but she thinks I should step her up to a true quad-core, like an i5. I think it's a waste of money, anyone think she would see any real benefit? Ryzen is out of the question, because her rig needs integrated graphics.

Also, any idea of for a decent ITX case? Nano is just a placeholder, I just need something she can tuck out of the way and has dust filters, hopefully not looking obnoxious.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/nWQWLD

Any improvements for a similar or lower price?

>>60569748
G4560 is a good choice. And i5 would be a waste on her. Toss in a 1TB WD Blue HDD as well so she can store all those cat pictures she will inevitably share on facebook.

>>60569748
No, a step up to a i5 would we a huge waste of money. More cores is actually better for more tabs but she doesnt need it.

The PSU is way overkill though.

>>60569818
looks good to me.

>>60569748
Just get a used dell prebuilt.
They're small and super cheap.

>>60569818
I would change the motherboard to an Asrock B350M Pro 4 so you can upgrade to 16GB of ram in the future.

>>60569748
you could cut costs on the case and mobo

>>60569835
>Toss in a 1TB WD Blue HDD as well so she can store all those cat pictures she will inevitably share on facebook.

It might be worth it just in case, but she doesn't save pictures... or anything really. She basically just needs a Facebook/Netflix machine.

>>60569852
>The PSU is way overkill though.

Agreed. Know any good modular units? The only solid bronze modular units I know of are Seasonics. Non-modular is going to be a disaster in an ITX case, especially since she'll probably shove it into a computer cabinet and it's going to need all the airflow it can get.

>>60569818
The MSI gaming pro has the worst VRMs in MSI's entire lineup
Got with a gaming plus or the mortar. If you dont want to spend more the Asrock AB350M pro 4 is better too.

>>60569913
It'll be fine with some cable bundled up. Cables actually have minimal airflow impact.

That pentium isnt gonna need much air anyways.

>>60568727
was looking for an ATX format though :(

Actually, I don't know how bad mATX is

I really just play games

Hello. I am wanting to build a pc for school/work/gaming. Really an all around build. I like intel and never used AMD and am not ready to switch. My budget is 1000 without a graphics card and I want the machine to be ascetically pleasing. Here is my build I have come up with. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xpcnhq
I want all honest opinions.

>>60570002
Why aren't you ready to make the switch? Ryzen is more powerful.

>>60570002
>I like intel and never used AMD and am not ready to switch.
>I want all honest opinions.
Gonna be honest then, you're a retard for being such a fanboy
I won't help you because it would involve telling you to ditch the i5, which you would say no to because "i like intel", aka ignoring my advice, and there's no point in putting effort in helping someone if he's gonna ignore your advice anyway

>>60569973
Maybe i'll just get an S12II then. I've only worked on Mid towers, so just going on what everyone tells me about modular and ITX. I've only built with full-modular units.

>>60569874
>>60569940
Ok, the price is about the same for the three of them, so would you pick the Pro 4 over the mortar and the gaming plus

>>60570002
Really I don't have a good answer. I have NEVER used one. No one I know has one. I just am so comfortable with intel the switch scares me honestly.

>>60569984
only disadvantage of matx is less PCI slots.'
t. mATX mobo in atx case user

>>60570002
>I like intel and never used AMD and am not ready to switch
So you're a retarded fanboy. You are the cancer of PC building.

your selected CPU is shite.

>>60570057
morter or the Pro 4. Just pick one that has 4 ram slots and a VRM heatsink.

>>60570034
>>60570059

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Buying a small monitor for Lans. Small is good. My price range is 100-130AU or 75-97 USD

Choice 1:
ASUS VS228NE 22in Widescreen LED Monitor - $ 130 AU

Choice 2:
Samsung S22D300H 21.5in Widescreen LED Monitor (Ex-Demo) -$99 Au.

Choice 3:
Going with a suggestion from /g

Also going with the a Cooler Master MasterKeys Lite L RGB Gaming Keyboard. I've never seen it myself but it should be okay right?

>>60570057
No, those MSI boards have better high frequency RAM compatibility and VRMs
The asrock is just cheap and not as shit.

>>60570050
I can take your advice and think on it just because I don't take your advice right off the bat does not make a retard, cunt.

>>60570059
I guarantee you've used things with AMD processors but never knew it. DO you play Xbox? Playstation?
Guess who makes their processors.
A
M
D

>>60570002
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xpcnhq
Dump the i5 and build around an R5 1600. If you're still a fanboy, pony up the big bucks and get the 7700k. It's the only Intel CPU other than the Pentium that is really justifiable today if you want a computer that is going to perform solidly for a few years, especially since Intel's platform is a dead-end.

>>60570062
What is wrong with not wanting to stay with intel. I have nothing against AMD and am not saying its bad I am just not comfortable switching to a platform that I have never used.

>>60570096
I did not know that. Every laptop and desk top I've had and used is intel.

not sure if this is enough information

i'm looking to upgrade a few components for my PC to stream/record at 60+ frames

I have about 200-300 USD to spend

>>60570105
Then don't ask for honest feedback, because the truth hurts. Other than the Pentium, Intel CPU's are bad value right now.

>>60570090
you already said you made up your mind, why should he bother?

>>60570105
You will be using it the exact same way. Building the PC the same way. You're just being irrational.

>>60570097
I don't even know how to build a good pc around an AMD cpu I know so little about AMD

>>60570105
Because it makes no sense, i could make two builds one with Intel + Nvidia and one with AMD + AMD and no one would see any semblant of difference
It's the same shit regardless of brands
the exact same shit, and that's even more true for CPUs
You wouldn't see any difference because there's almost none

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>>60570132
>>60570132
>>60570132

wrong image

>>60570117
I've used both platforms on and off for years. All the desktops I had that lasted me forever had AMD processors.
I go where you get the most performance for your money.
With cars today, that means a Chevy Camaro.
With computer processors, it means AMD Ryzen.

>>60570144
this thread is literally made specifically to help people build their PC correctly

>>60570153
200-300USD is not enough because you're gonna have to uprade both CPU & Mobo which would also means upgrading to DDR4 RAM along the way.

>>60570141
every time I use pcpp it tells me my mother board does not work the cpu

>>60570153
Getting a beter streaming experience would probably require a new build with better cpu.

Alternatively, get a capture card and maybe run the streaming on another PC you have around.

>>60570189
Are you looking at am4 motherboards?

>>60570189
have you tried putting a motherboard that has the same socket as the CPU? Remove the current motherboard and choose a new one, it should show only ones that work with your CPU.

>>60570134
I am by no means offended I just don't find it necessary to be badgered for something I know nothing about and I am openly saying I know nothing about

so reviews from newegg says that sandisk ssd's die in less than a year

can anyone backup these claims? or do i just stop listening from people from newegg

are kingston ssd's any better?

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>>60570148
The only difference is you save more money with an AMD build :^)

>>60570204
>>60570210
i'm just going to restart because I have it all fucked up

>>60570204
>>60570210
can you guys give me good options of a mini itx board with wifi

Can I just sit my computer in front of a fan to prevent dust when I'm not using it?

>>60570189
so you pick a different motherboard. AMD uses a PGA socket for the processor named AM4. AMD processors have the pins on the processor itself
Intel uses a different socket known as LGA1151, where the pins are on the motherboard.
So no, the motherboards between them are not compatible.
With Intel, you want a B250 or Z270 chipset motherboard.
WIth AMD, you want a B350 or X370 chipset motherboard.

As a bonus, all AMD Ryzen chips are overclockable should you want to get into that in the future.
Meanwhile at Intel, only chips ending in a K are overclockable.
On AMD motherboards, B350 and Z370 boards can overclock.
On Intel motherboards, only Z270 boards can overclock.

AMD offers you more choice, performance and features for less money. It's a no brainer right now. Intel CPUs aren't being recommended because they're bad value.

>>60570002
Well no one's mentioned it yet somehow so
>NVMe drive
Also your case is shit. what's even the point in a mini ITX case if it's still huge?

>>60570254
What socket? AM4? If yes, mITX mobos are hard to get a hand on right now because the socket is very new and only one motherboard manufacturer made one right now (with a few one that are gonna be released in the following months), so don't count on integrated wifi.

>>60570261
okay I will give this ryzen stuff a real thought and try.

>>60570144
The current gen AMD CPU's are Ryzen. They are pretty much comparable to Kaby Lake Intel CPU's, but lag a bit in clock speed. However, you get much more resources (cores, threads) for the price you pay.

The best Ryzen CPU right now for people who who are strictly gaming would be the R5 1600 (6 cores, 12 threads). It will last much longer than the i5-7500 (4 cores, 4 threads), which in some benchmarks is already choking keeping the GPU fed with modern AAA titles (RotR, BF). Not to mention, if you like to stream/browse the internet while playing a game, Ryzen will also handle that better than an i5. That's only going to get worse in the years to come.

To build around an AMD CPU like Ryzen, all you need is a different motherboard (B350 as opposed to B250 for Intel). They are inexpensive, and they even allow for overclocking if you're into that at all (at least it leaves the option there, unlike locked Intel CPU's).

The only issue I now see with your build is you want to go ITX. Not a lot of offering on ITX motherboards for Ryzen right now, unless you step up to the enthusiast X370 board.

Check this out:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7wLR9W

The stock fan with the 1600 runs cool and quiet. The Spire is the best stock cooler ever made, if you ask me.

>>60570261
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzKcrwlmREE

1440p, 24" or 27"?

>>60570254
ASRock is releasing one with wifi in mid June.

>>60570257
Nah it'll probably just blow more dust into it. Get a case with dust filters if you dont like cleaning it out.

>>60570270
i like the look of it. thats all

>>60570261
>Meanwhile at Intel, only chips ending in a K are overclockable.
No, Intel said not to overclock Kabylake k series CPUs.

>>60570074
i have the keyboard and it's excellent if you download the software called Artemis. It allows for much more control over the LEDs thant the CM one ever will.

You might also want to get some macro software to make use of the now useless profile keys above the numpad once you get artemis.

>>60570292
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7wLR9W
maybe going itx isnt that big of deal? i suppose i am ready to switch ryzen its just nerve racking for me

>>60570325
They only said that about the 7700k
Which is also their only worth gaming CPU, lol

>>60569035
>>60569069
>>60569210
Deux Ex in DX12 mode scales extreme well, running at 60fps 4k

as it should it's one of the few games that has near 100% scaling

>>60570347
I personally prefer ATX and mATX because ITX has a bunch of compromises to get that tiny size.

>>60570333
Checked and thanks! Great to know.

>>60570375
>Checked
Please don't do this outside of /b/.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L92czM
rate please

>>60570400
The 1600 is fine
Get the GAMMAX 400 over the 212 Evo

What is your display set up

why are you buying windows? You can install it for free without a key

>>60570400
no need for a cooler for the ryzen

>>60570422
Ryzen 1600X, 1700X, and 1800X don't come with CPU coolers.

>>60570435
didn't see the x, my bad

>>60570415
using a shitty 900p monitor for the time being but I'm debating whether to do a 1440p monitor or a 1080p with a higher refresh rate. idk why I left that there, I'm probably gonna use that pico thing

>>60570347
There really isn't much difference. Intel sockets have pins on the motherboard, AMD have pins on the CPU. I prefer pins on the CPU because you know they are going to be solid, unlike differing quality of pins from the varying motherboard manufacturers. For my recent Ryzen build I had to jiggle the CPU around in the socket to get it to fit, it can handle being a bit rough.

What kind of GPU are you going with? Rather, what resolution are you using?

>>60570176
>>60570204

>CPU and Mobo

so realistically, I can only afford one of those upgrades right now, right?

if I can find a sale, which would you recommend upgrading first?

>>60570451
1920 x 1080 i think

>>60570469
>I can only afford one of those upgrades right now, right?
Considering new CPU would mean new mobo (unless you want to buy an outdated shit CPU), and new mobo would mean DDR4 RAM, you can't buy either. You need higher budget to upgrade that.

>>60570451
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2R2czM

how does something like this look?

>>60570002
>>60570291
Here. I took your build and made it into a decent Ryzen build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9QXrsJ

>>60570415
>gammax 400
>blue led on fan
Why do they have to put fucking leds on everything

>>60570506
Surprisingly good. Could find higher frequency RAM at the same pricepoint though. Otherwise, nothing wrong.

Keep in mind you'll need to ask a bracket on Cryorig's website in order to put it on the motherboard. And you don't need the cooler, unless you're overclocking. The CPU comes with a good one.

>>60570447
That'd be really silly then

You're better off with a 580 + free-sync display

Got Ryzen Optimized RAM if it even helps any, if you want fast RAM shell out the money for some Samsung B-die

Got a better PSU as well


But 1440p really isn't worth it anymore, Either get 1080p 144hz or 4k 60Hz, both are TN in this case and both have free-sync

You'd be running most games at 1080p still which scales perfectly to 4k

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VXjVPs
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VXjVPs/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($217.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper T4 70.0 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($97.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - FORTIS 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($113.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($83.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 8GB NITRO+ Video Card ($259.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.95 @ B&H)
Monitor: AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor ($206.97 @ Amazon)
Monitor: AOC - U2879VF 28.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($328.86 @ PCM)
Total: $1464.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-24 19:34

>>60570503

fookin ell

alright, i'll just hold onto my shekels then

>>60570506
change the motherboard for one with 4 ram slots.
and remove the cooler. 1600 comes with a decent cooler. It can even handle a decent overclock.

>>60570516
I thought ryzen didnt suport graphics so i would have to have a graphics card

>>60570517
I don't know but it has cut outs for RAM

>>60570542
>>60570447
For sure get the GAMMAX over the T4 or 212 evo, I don't think the evo even natively supports AM4

the GAMMAX 400 just isn't in the PC part picker for Ryzen

>>60570506
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2R2czM
Very solid for 1080p. Although i'd say the aftermarket cooler is not needed. Ryzen runs fairly cool and the stock heatsink is not garbage like Intel coolers. Are you planning on overclocking? Also, can you get an RX 580 for a similar price?

>>60570549
You'd rather have a 4 core 4 thread machine instead of a 6 core 12 thread machine?

Why?

You just need any basic GPU if you aren't doing any gaming

>>60570549
right. sorry. Forgot about that. You'd need a graphics card even to game with Intel though. Intel's integrated graphics aren't up to snuff to do most of todays games.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QyJ43F

>>60570506
Why is a 4GB 480 $275?

and why the overpriced case? save $50 and get a Masterbox 5

>>60570549
You're gonna need a dedicated GPU to game even with an Intel CPU. The integrated is good for basic work but anything intensive like gaming or rendering and a dedicated GPU is a must.

>>60570592
i have no clue that's the price it had

>>60570640
You didn't buy it did you? If that's US then an 8GB RX 580 is only $250


>>60570542

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What did this guy do wrong on his build?

Check out the thread
His system wont boot


>>60567203

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fGK9Yr

>>60570573
no i am not overclocking. i will ditch the cooler and i have no clue what a rx580 is, i know its a graphics card but i dont know anything about them

>>60570556
check the site, it does. I have one but it wasnt enough for my 1700x OC

>>60570640
My friend, allow me to assist you...

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TTfmP6/msi-radeon-rx-580-8gb-armor-oc-video-card-rx-580-armor-8g-oc

>>60570679
The RX 580 is basically just a refresh of the RX480, with slightly higher clock speeds. They should be pretty much the same price. If you're not overclocking your GPU, get an RX 580. It will demolish pretty much any game at Ultra quality 1080p.

>>60570671
He didn't get Ryzen

>>60570681
At what voltage? I'm using a Hyper T4 on my 1700 and it's fine even at 1.425V

Did you remember that it reports temps 20C hotter?

I tried searching for GAMMAX 400 with ryzen in the cart and it doesn't come up for me

>>60570435
Easier way to put it:
95w TDP models don't come with a cooler.

>>60570671
The poor cable management creates a bad energy field and prevents it from booting.

>>60570704
It's the same arch and die design, but refined manufacturing process that allows them to clock higher or be more efficient.
They also have better power management, using much less at idle.
Saying they're simply an overclocked RX480 makes it sound like you can get a reference model and clock it to 1500MHz on air like the RX580s no problem, which isn't true.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bw9mpb

okay here is a ryzen build i just whipped up does this suffice?

>>60570435
>>60570435
What cooler should I get with the 1600x?

anyone have experience with the nzxt kraken x62? i'm running it on a ryzen 5 1600x and can not get my temp lower than 50C. it will go to 80-90C while gaming.

>>60570759
the one you want the most

>>60570753
change the motherboard for one with 4 ram slots and a VRM heatsink.

>>60570743
>Saying they're simply an overclocked RX480 makes it sound like you can get a reference model and clock it to 1500MHz on air like the RX580s no problem, which isn't true.

The difference once overclocked is, quite honestly, negligible. Don't buy into the marketing crap, they just wanted to put the 1060 down for good with slight clock increases (since reviewers don't usually account for any overclocking).

>>60570792
It's also still new silicon, and it let the aftermarket card makers fix their boards in most cases, some 480 power delivery set ups were shit, like the Red Devil

>>60570805
True, but it's still just a refresh. There is no reason for anyone to run out and buy a 580 if they already have a 480. Buy a 580 if you're building now, or just get a 480 if you find a good deal, either way you can't go wrong.

How obsolete is i5 2400k, been thinking if I could get at least few more months out of it if I could pair it up with 580 or 1060

>>60570823
2500k will bottleneck both of those cards.

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>>60570743
>>60570734
>>60570671

Read the thread
He broke his CPU and mobo
How do you bend a CPU?

>>60570843
Skylake did report some bend issues but that was only with massive air heatsinks

But like I said he should have gone Ryzen in the first place lol, why does he even have a 7700 non K with a Z270 board? there's a lot wrong with that build, wonder if he even asked for help

>>60570774
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dWL7YJ/asrock-ab350m-pro4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350m-pro4

doest this one have a heatsink? i dont know what that is

>>60570843
how the ever-loving fuck...

>>60570861
>doest this one have a heatsink?
yes it does.

>>60570834
No it wont
Neither will a G4560
Both systems will run a 580 or 1060 very well
2500k and moreso the 2600k still perform quite well especially at 4.5ghz
Are they showing their age? Yes but they are still good enough for 60fps AAA gaming
If you are playing on 144hz it might be worth it to upgrade your cpu to a ryzen 6 or 8 core but its not worth it to upgrade to anouther 4 core
Now if you have an i5 2400 non k it might be the bottleneck with a 1060 or 580. 570 is a great card on a budget I would suggest that over the others for 1080p 60fps gaming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4chk3fWb6xI

>>60570217
Then don't push back with your ignorant fanboy bullshit when somebody gives you informed advice.

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>>60570862
>>60570862
>>60570860
Read the thread lol...
He thought he needed more paste than this...

>>60570295
27 is perfect for 1440p.

Hello /pcbg/! I'm about to start building my first gaming PC and I wanted to hear any tips or input from you guys.

My budget is $1000. If it goes slightly higher, that's fine. I mainly play normie games like LoL and Overwatch, and I really want to be able to play Overwatch on high settings to the point where I can play something that isn't tank or healer (I'm stuck with 30FPS on Low quality on my current laptop). I also wouldn't mind playing more high end games on my PC such as Grand Theft Auto V or emulating PS2/GC games at full FPS. Thank you guys in advance!

>>60570861
The PRO4 and Fatal1ty are alright, but the ASUS plus is probably the board to get, it's 4+2 rather than 3+3 on the ASrock boards, overall both are fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrxhf_xZWI

I'd get the Fatal1ty over the PRO 4 though, dunno if the 4 has noise suppression on the microphone input

>>60570925
R5 1600 with an RX 570 and 1080p 144hz free-sync display, just lose the SSD for a 1TB WD Blue drive and drop down the CPU/GPU from this build, should be fine

>>60570542

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCWMByUOgbA

>>60570925
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h9qzd6

>>60570925
>>60570980
Getting the 6 core is going to be worth it in the end

as is getting a 1080p 144hz display soon after

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DTb9Yr
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DTb9Yr/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($217.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper T4 70.0 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($97.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill - FORTIS 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($113.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($83.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 570 4GB PULSE Video Card ($182.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.95 @ B&H)
Monitor: AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor ($206.97 @ Amazon)
Total: $1058.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-24 20:14 EDT-0400

>>60570925
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tbngyf

>>60570925
1K is a sweet spot

I would go
Depending on res and hz you want to play at but here
Also depends on if you need monitor or not
With 75hz freesync monitor
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9yb9Yr

without
for 1440p 60hz maxed or 1080p 144hz maxed
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YCpwJV

What's the point of getting an RX 580 when the GTX 970 is better and comparably priced?

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>>60571115
>GTX 970 is better
>3.5gb of vram

>>60571115
Nice bait dude,870 is like half the rx 580 speed.

It is like "why buy 1080 ti when you can buy rx 460 that is better and cheaper"

>>60571115
Because its not better
DX12/Vulcan titles RX580 is much better and most future games will use one of those APIs

>>60571115

DX 12 and Vulcan

>>60570792
Average RX580 hits about 100MHz higher. That's 7-8%.

>>60570843
I'm not sure how, but apparently this is common since they've made the substrate thinner.
Putting it in the wrong way and trying to force it closed.
Part of the issue is that Intel LGA isn't zero-insertion-force so it's hard to tell how hard you need to push.

>>60571115
Awful attempt at bait. enjoy your 25fps in RE7

I bought a r9 390 4 or 5 months ago because it was incredibly cheap. would it be a wise idea to get a water cooler for it or just get an 8gb rx 580 since those are only like $200?

>>60571150
Then is the RX 580 better than the GTX 1070?

>>60570953
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qMdFf7/asus-prime-x370-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-x370-pro
youd say this is a good then over the asrock pro4?

>>60571242
If you're going to spend $150 on a motherboard the Gigabyte Gaming K3 is the only one to consider because it has external BCLK overclocking

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>>60571187
No...
are you saying the 970 is as good as the 1070?
1070 is nearly twice as powerful as a 970

580 is close to the 1070 in vulcan titles

>>60571289
If DOOM supported Crossfire like Deus Ex or Sniper Elite 4 it would be the greatest engine of all time

>>60571309
Really all modern engines are very good these days
id Tech 6(Doom)
Unreal engine 4
Unity if on latest version
Frostbite(battlefield)
CryEngine 5

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Can someone recommend a motherboard that can run an i7-6700 adequately, I'm wanting to upgrade from my I5-4670

>>60571397
most are good, but DOOM is fucking godly on like all hardware, it just lacks multi-GPU support

also uses 16 CPU threads like Quake I'm pretty sure

>>60571411
If you're changing platforms like I said before, you should be going Ryzen because it's way better for the money unless you're getting that i7 6700 at like $150

if you were planning on using DDR3 on skylake don't

>>60571001
>>60571047
>>60571089

Thanks for the advice! I have a decent idea as to how I want to build my PC now. Would you guys know anything about a good gaming keyboard and mouse though? I can purchase these outside of the $1000 budget

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>>60571442
I paid 219$ for my CPU and motherboard about a year ago
Reused DDR3 ram
Not a bad setup for the price just a i5 k chip

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>>60571490
Really any mechanical keyboard using cherry MX switches is fine

RGB lights if you want to be ricer mode

https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=114&cp_id=11401&cs_id=1140102&p_id=12519&seq=1&format=2

>>60571496
So then if you aren't getting a cheap i7 6700, then clearly the R5 1600 should be your go to as it's currently the best chip for the money

>>60571490
Master Keys probably
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSiyRI11E3Q

>>60571535
>GPU sag

>>60571187
What? No.

Just in rare cases, the RX580 is 90-95% as good as a 1070. Like at 1440p in some DX12 and vulkan games.
Usually it's 25% worse.

What are some good 1440p 144hz monitors for a decent price?

>>60572060
MG279Q when it goes on sale for $400 which is often.

>>60571422
it uses more
god bless vulkan

Alright nig/g/as, I think I've decided on a setup. This is everything I'll be needing, I've got a good mouse and other peripherals already.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rhBBtJ

>>60572647
Forgot to add- not sure if going budget on a PSU is a good idea. Does that one seem sufficient?

>>60572060
There's only one, the Pixio 1440p 144hz IPS free-sync display

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB714894154

>>60567598
>1x 16gb

get 2x 8gb sticks

Should I wait for Vega or just get a 1080Ti?

I can get this monitor for $270. Seem like a good deal or should I save for 4k and wait on black Friday sales?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-l27q-20-27-ips-lcd-hd-monitor-silver/5855609.p?skuId=5855609&extStoreId=&ref=212&loc=1&ksid=440e3c5d-5953-4074-aa08-e97a8c0a4542&ksprof_id=8&ksaffcode=pg200307&ksdevice=m&lsft=ref:212,loc:2

do prices typically drop after computex or is the cyber monday/holiday season still best time to buy in terms of deals/prices?

>>60572647
Updated- upgraded PSU and some other changes after talking with a friend.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q3kQvV

I'm working out a build and I'm nervy about liquid cooling.

I've never done it before and I'm worried it'll leak.

I'm talking about those AIO things corsair make.

>>60573160
You could always get a hueg Noctua, they're almost as good, not as loud and won't leak.

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>>60573352
>>60573352

>>60568269
Just sold my r9 280x for $109, I'd you look hard enough you can find those under a $100