/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; as

What 4 TB hard drive should I get? Speed isn't very important, I just need a reliable drive for as low a price as possible.

Which of these two would you pick?
- Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3 for ~125 USD
- MSI B350 GAMING PRO CARBON for ~147 USD
These are the only B350s featuring the better Realtek ALC1220 audio. The MSI also has Intel LAN which should be better but as neither feature wifi, it probably doesn't make any difference in my case because I'll have to buy some additional wireless card.
The MSI has obviously better phases, better vrm cooling etc, but is it worth the higher price?

>>60562571
don't buy any
>>60562537
What a shill fucking OP
How much is AMD paying you?

>>60562595
B250 offers better audio and Ethernet NIC from the same manufacturers across the board. You'll need to pay more for the X370 to get more options.

>>60562571
Weston Digital Blue seems to be the go to option. A thousand or two have been in theses thread, and not to my memory a single complaint.
Roughly $110 four 4tb.
>>60562596
As opposed to your ravings of a madman.
>>60551366
>>60551446

>>60562606
>intel
no thanks

>>60562612
I see nothing shill-related in that OP post, the second one is just opinionated, but not inaccurate. No mentions of any Ryzen CPUs though.

>>60562595
Depends, overclocking go the MSI. but if you're running stock as a rock the AB board should suffice.
For your WiFi it's best to use a card if you're over 10mb/s connection. If greater than 25mb/s you'll need a 5Ghz card, AKA dual band. Check your router to make sure it's also dual band, code should be 802.blah.blah c.

>>60562612
>WD Blue
LOL no
>>60562571
Toshiba X300 4TB, or the X300 5TB for $15 more.

>>60562595
Depends on if you want to overclock and which CPU you're getting.
You should be able to OC moderately with a 6 core on the gigabyte. The VRMs are suck but there's still 4+3 phases of them so they should be able to handle that much but you will probably kill it with an OC'd 8 core.
The MSI board will be able to overclock an 8 core though

>>60562596
>What a shill fucking OP
>How much is AMD paying you?
Jesus christ how stupid do you have to be?
This OP has been made and edited my multiple persons throughout all the threads
There's no fucking shilling in there, you're just autistic

>>60562672
>>60562662
I'm a bit poor so I made the Ryzen 5 1600 choice and overclock
I think I'm leaning more towards the MSI, but then the Gigabyte has dual bios and power outages happen quite often in the shithole I live in. Internet is adsl "up to" 10 Mb/s, in reality around 6 Mb/s.

>>60562672
What a fucking liar. Those motherboards simply don't have the headroom to push 80% of Ryzen 5 1500X to 3.7GHz, let alone Ryzen 5 1600X to the same level. The mosfet quality on most B350 motherboards are Chink-tier or worse and will give out because board makers don't give a flying fuck about how long those components last. If you push more than 1.3V through one of their boards and try to RMA them when they do die in half a year, they'll tell you to fuck off and buy another one.

Pay more for a X370 and you'll alleviate most of those issues. The B350 is a horrible choice for overclocking, just like those Z270 motherboards that sell for under $140.

>>60562699
I got an R7 1700 & Asus Prime b350m-a and can oc at 3.7GHz
stable under prime95

>>60562711
>ASUS Prime
Oh, you mean the motherboard that can't use memory faster than 2400MHz without shitting the bed? And is apparently such a known issue that ASUS customer service ask people what RAM kits their customers are using when they troubleshoot overclocking issues?

>>60562537

What am I doing wrong?
Why is my build so much more expensive when compared to others?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NsYGYr

I intend to use it for playing video games at medium settings on 1080p.

>>60562654
I missed a post. Go to the thread, it's all from >>60562596 as the OP.
If you're interested to go back further he's been trying to hijack for a while now.
>>60562663
Congratulations on your first successful recommendation :D
>>60562697
Dual bios is handy for setting up your overclock so you don't have to clear CMOS should you 'hard brick'.
It should have overclock profiles that you can save setting to, that way you can quick swap between power saving and high performance profiles you've made.
>6Mb/s
You can get away with a wireless dongle thingo. Like $5. But I wouldn't expect it not to fuck up on you while tearing through data. They have a tendency to overheat.
Can get you through most gaming.

I can't help you with power outages other than suggesting a 1500X. But you've already got a pretty low consumption chip, unless the cost of power there is high.

>>60562699
3.7GHz is stock for a 1500X, and if they didn't have enough headroom to completely max out a 1500X they wouldn't be able to run Ryzen 7.
The rest of your points are so off base and laden with hyperbole that they're not even worth responding to.

Which build is better if gaming is not that important

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/BGF6gL

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Q9zrsJ

>>60562763
>What am I doing wrong?
What games do you normally pay?
The Ryzen 5 1500X is a poor choice compared to other CPUs for gaming.

You have a very expensive cooler that performs about the same as a $25-40 cooler from a non-poo brand
You're using a motherboard that also has known RAM issues past 2666MHz and still hasn't gotten the latest BIOS update that AMD rolled out weeks ago (but at least you're using RAM that works).
You're paying $100 for a full-tower case when most mATX cases are about $30-40.
And you don't need a 80+ Gold rated PSU.

>>60562763
You don't need a separate CPU cooler, the 1500X comes with a pretty decent one in box. The PSU is overkill as hell and the RX570 can do 1080p at high/max let alone medium settings. That's where I'd start trying to cut costs at least.

>>60562795
>it's all from >>60562596 as the OP
Funny, that isn't me. Nice accusation though.

>>60562759
Yes, that one.
Next agesa will see improvements though. The previous bios updates could reach 2600MHz (or plus?) easily but the agesa fucked this up.

>>60562763
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NsYGYr
You can get away with a cheaper CPU cooler (or the included one with the CPU if it comes with one), a cheaper case, and maybe a cheaper PSU (though I'd keep the one you've got, I've had cheap PSUs burn out).

>>60562797
3.7GHz is its Boost clock, you fucking moron
>i don't have anything to dispute those claims, so I'll dismiss it as hyperbole
noice

>>60562807
>he Ryzen 5 1500X is a poor choice compared to other CPUs for gaming.
How so?
The R5 1600 is a neat CPU but it doesn't mean the others are bad. The 1500x is a fine CPU even though it's 4 core because of SMT.

>>60562826
If you were using a i5-7600K and a Z270 motherboard, then you wouldn't be having ANY of those issues, senpai

>>60562763
You don't need this CPU cooler (in fact you don't need any) and with the money saved by removing it you could up to an R5 1600 instead

>>60562795
the point about power outages was related to the dual bios thing, so as to not brick the board while flashing updated bios

>>60562663
I've heard Toshiba have awful warranty policies though.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vGjxd6
Thoughts?

>>60562839
The Core i5-7500 costs roughly the same, but performs better in nearly all AAA titles. The Ryzen 5 1600 has more cores at similar clock speeds. The quad-core Ryzens are DOA options that should never have been released until Ryzen can figure out how to electrically disable half the cores in their CCX without creating stability issues.

>>60562799
The g4560 build would be better at gaming but outside of gaming you don't really need such an expensive GPU or 4c8t (R5 1400)
The g4560 would be better for money saving purposes.

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>>60562866
Failure rate isn't that bad tho.

>>60562866
They do, but they're cheap and roughly the same price as WD Blues (which are 5400rpm drives). X300s are roughly equivalent to WD Blacks in performance, but just as loud.

>>60562882
Stop spreading fud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

>>60562900
Read the whole post before spamming your videos again, you moron.
And yes, you are spamming.

>>60562837
>3.7GHz is its Boost clock
Oh yeah so it is.
Also it's just impossible to convince you otherwise, i could point out the people running ryzen 7s and ryzen 5 OCs with that exact board but then you'll respond with "well those are going to die in 6 months" and neither of us have enough information to prove our points. My logic is that if the VRMs can handle the strain of an 1800X a ~3.7-3.8GHz 1600 probably isn't going to be a suicide overclock for such a board but you don't seem to think that makes any sense.

>>60562913
I've read every single of your autistic posts, but you can't even bothered to watch my videos.
You make claims, those videos debunk your claims, end of the story.

>>60562807
>>60562809
>>60562829

The person to who you replied to here:
Which motherboard and PSU would you suggest?

>>60562763
>>60562809
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JbChLD
Here, it's still not ideal but it's a decent start to getting the price back down to earth.

>>60562926
Actually he was claiming the 7500 was faster than the 1500X and was arguing a 1600 was a better buy.
You clearly didn't read his autistic posts.

>>60562926
I recommended either the i5-7500 (which is still the better overall choice) AND the Ryzen 5 1600 (which is the bare minimum choice of the entire line-up without falling into buyer's rermorse territory fullstop).
And you're jumping accusations like a paranoid shill. Is AMD cutting your wage again? Are you feeling the pressure from your corporate masters to shift more outmodeled and gimped Ryzen 5s? Poor you.

>>60562968
>Actually he was claiming the 7500 was faster than the 1500X
And i disagree with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjgLMASZJlg

>>60562921
Buy a cheap motherboard for overclocking and you'll pay the price in under a year. This has been true for decades on both CPUs. B350s have the same low or poor-quality mosfet and chokes as cheap Z270 options meant for pre-built builders and budget users who will not overclock.


>>60562986
>he's now resorting to cherrypicked benchmarks
JUST

>>60562986
Okay, but you totally didn't know that's what he was saying and even turned around and claimed you'd read the entire reply chain when he pressed you on it.

>>60563015
>is given evidence his opinions are wrong
>CHERRYPICKING
sounds like an assblasted Intel/Trump dick sucker.
So what's your plan to "Make Intel great Again"

>>60563028
My bad, for some reason they decided to do a bios update that didn't include agesa, even though they did a beta bios including it 6 days ago

>>60563033
Look at the price on the X370 motherboard, the memory kit used with the Ryzen 5 system, and then compare it to the overall cost of the i5 system.
It's a hundred dollars worth of difference just to eek out a barely insignificant advantage over a stock-clocked and cheaper i5 system.

>>60563015
>>he's now resorting to cherrypicked benchmarks
I literally just searched for benchmarks that showed actual recorded footage of the benchmark with Afterburner stats being shown, because that's a much better way to compare CPUs in games than looking at a graph most of the time.
Just because it doesn't line up with your beliefs doesn't mean it's cherrypicked.

>>60562881
Should I change anything on here?

>>60563086
I'd recommend getting a better cooler (the 7700k heats quite a lot at times)
Also could save some money on going for a non-samsung SSD

>>60563067
See >>60563054
That reviewer had to pay much more than the equivalent i5 system just to get performance parity. If that's not cherrypicking to an extreme, then I don't know what is.

>>60562936

Thanks for the suggestion, your builds price is vastly better than the one of my build.

>>60563104
>pay attention to me samefagging myself!
>I swear I'm right

>>60563104
You are right, my bad for not noticing this, have some other benchmark instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE

>>60563119
You're saying that AMD users should pay more just to have the same gaming experience as Intel users? And I'm the shill here?

>>60563123
RAM speed isn't listed, but at least it's much better from a price-to-price comparison.

Oh, but it's strange how they don't ever test out older AAA and MOBA games that people still play in their millions...

>>60562881
>>60563086
I did two small tweaks to the heatsink and ssd.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZJB3nn

SSD choice is purely based on lower price. (ideal price to gb/lifetime) You won't notice any speed differences in consumer usage.

>>60563178
Thanks

>>60563168
>Oh, but it's strange how they don't ever test out older AAA and MOBA games that people still play in their millions...
Stop being paranoid acting like everyone is partaking in brand wars, they aren't.

>>60563178
>>60563197

Oh and get a HyperX Cloud II if you don't have any peripherals (assuming you don't based on the kb+m pickup)

>>60563178
>>60562881
Ditch the case for a cheaper one. Phantek's own P400 is half the price and offers similar build quality.
And Corsair keyboards seem to suffer from failing backlights after a few months.
Also
>SATA-M.2
He might as well buy a regular MX300 that's $20 cheaper.

>>60563168
Ram speed is listed, it's 2400MHz, with an Asus Prime b350m-a. The intel system has a Asus Z170-P.

>>60563117
If you're really looking for just medium settings like you said, you could drop it even further by replacing the RX570 with a 560 or a 1050ti. I'm less up to speed on lower end cards though so I don't know which ones the better buy.

>already bought all parts except gpu and ram
>want to buy rx 580
>can't because it's all sold out
T-thanks AMD.

>>60563225
But it's not $20 cheaper, Anon. Price was sorted by GB/$. It's on sale or the prices are fluctuating, as they literally always do. Did you even read where I said I chose it purely on price?

>>60563204
Not giving benchmarks on the most popular MOBA titles in the world seems a little shady if you ask me. It's a given that Intel simply performs better in DOTA2, Starcraft, LoL, Overwatch, Rocket League, and other mainstream titles. Even when streaming to twitch, the Core i5-7500 offers a higher average FPS than the R5 1600 does. I should know, I've tried both systems and came away with the same results with different MOBA and AAA titles.

>>60563251
Dont worry, Vega will be out Soon™

>>60563256
It's listed as $159.99, but Micro Center had them on sale for $139.99. Am I missing something here?

>>60563275
>I swear I'm not a shill guys! Promise!

>>60563054
None of the motherboards are worth it right now. Asus hasn't released their top of the line board yet.

>>60563212
What is a good speaker?

>>60563231
>>60563117
1050's are rock bottom. But they trade blows with 460's.
They're capable cards for a lot of 1080, but in that price range you should aim for longevity.
And there's not much resale value even now. I can't recommend either. unless you want an in-between card you can keep as a backup should shit go south in future.

If you see yourself buying something else in 6/12 months time, go for that. But if you want it to last longer go for a 570/580.

Need a good desk that can fit and show off my mid size tower. It has a window so I want to be able to look at all the pretty internals.

>>60563331
And ASUS won't if they know what's good for their business.

>>60563346
Can't really help you with that. No because we're a PC thread, but because things may not exist where you are.
But still, try out >>>/g/battle (battle station thread)
They should have a few ideas for you. Avoid the Herman miller shill.

Anything wrong with this as a budget build?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/NcNmpb

>>60562537
>No radiator
>No pump
Literally useless cooling solution.

>>60562900
You forgot to add that you need at least $150 ram to achieve this with ryzen

>>60563517
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/NcNmpb
If you're going to use 2133MHz RAM, then you might as well buy an H110 motherboard. All of the ones in stock have the BIOS update that lets them use Kaby Lake CPUs.
>802.11n adapter
Do you not have an ac WAP? Because that's a bit expensive for a n receiver

>>60563535
Nah, it's there. Bottom left.

>>60563580
Where? You mean the reservoir?

>>60563546
All three videos in the post show specs in the description, and naturally they don't align with your claims. Time to leave the thread.

>>60563552
It was recommended by someone before and I haven't looked into wireless adapters, any cheap ones you'd recommend?

>>60563658
What router/WAP do you have at home?
>>60563644
Look at this twat
What a salty cunt he is

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>>60563598
Of the board...
The fuck... Are they really cooling the 3.3v regulator?
Guess the pump is at the back.

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>>60563681
>>60563598
Found it.

>>60563665
It's the TalkTalk HG633, which is 802.11ac

>>60563644
System:
Windows 10
AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2Ghz
Asus PRIME B350M-A
Intel i5 7600 3.5Ghz
Asus Z170-P
GTX 1060 6gb
16Gb RAM

>16Gb RAM
You don't need to know how much that 3600Mhz RAM costed, goy.
However cheaper ryzen is, in the end ryzen system will cost more, as it requires high speed ram. And mostly specific high speed ram.

>>60563757
Oh nice, you proved that the RAM was uncertain instead of the $150 that other guy claimed, thank you
Thank god the two other videos indicate 2400MHz, proving you wrong.

>>60563752
There are cheaper or similarly priced 802.11ac adapters you can use, although I'll recommend sticking with ethernet over any wifi.

>>60563774
>Thank god the two other videos indicate 2400MHz, proving you wrong.
Only they indicated the same vague
>16Gb RAM
I hope you at least are getting payed for spamming these threads with same shit everyday, and openly lying to anons.
Every non retard knows - intel can work well with any ram. Amd requires high speed ram from with specific chips. All in all, amd system will cost more due to expensive ram.
And then that ram won't work at specified speeds, as is now the case with 90% of ryzen users.

>>60563774
>hank god the two other videos indicate 2400MHz
There is a bug with some ASUS BIOS that reports the wrong RAM speed on any monitoring software. 2400MHz is the default speed related to this issue, so it could be a 1-in-100000 luckyass motherboard that can run 3200MHz stable, for all we know.
You need to stop shilling right now. It is against the board's rules.

>>60562537
even though this is amd central right now. Does amd install telemetry with their drivers like nvidia does for some reason right now?

100% fresh new ryzen 5 1600 build keeps freezing after installing win 10 (b350 wouldn't let me install windows 7 cool your jets). RAM is compatible, just lowered it from 2400mhz to 2133mhz. I installed all the drivers that came with the disc, should I look for an updated chipset driver?

>>60563946
obv update bios

>>60563946
Have you run a memtest yet? The RAM could just be faulty.

>>60563879
>i-it's totally not the right RAM speed guise!
>i swear, just a bug!
What fucking bug are you talking about? I own the fucking board that the Ryzen system is being tested
You're just pulling things out of your ass

>>60563954
yeah this sounds like the best idea.
>>60563962
I'll do this after updating bios

>>60563939
Not that I'm aware of.
I'm currently on a 1060 6gb, so I haven't the need to check.
With nVidia I think it's still optional, opt out of the gForce experience. But that won't last much longer. At their last conference it was 90% talk of all the botnet they're adding.
I highly doubt AMD would force such a thing on users.

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Gonna pull the trigger in the next hour, looking for last minute hot takes
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VKR3nn
Intended for 1080p gaming at max settings, no overclocking, with decent future proofing for the next 3-5 years

http://www.frys.com/product/8310177?site=80premail052417

Samsung 850 250GB SSD for $60

with Promocode.

>>60563849
Ah yes at first you claim it's 3600MHz speed and now it's "too vague"
and then
>Every non retard knows - intel can work well with any ram. Amd requires high speed ram from with specific chips. All in all, amd system will cost more due to expensive ram.
First you're retarded enough to claim the RAM is at very high speed and then you goes on to say Ryzen have trouble reaching very high speed?

>>60563939
No, there is no telemetry.

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>>60564025
>with decent future proofing for the next 3-5 years
I'd say the RX 580 would do better at that as it's generally quite ahead of the GTX 1060 in DX12 & Vulkan titles
But either is fine anyway
The build is good but you might wanna get two RAM sticks unless you plan to do it in the future or something.

>>60564025
1: why an A320 chipset and not a B350?
2: Add an SSD boot drive
3: change that Ram to 2 sticks of DDR4 memory.

>>60564092
Seems like the 1060 6gb and the 580 8gb are mostly interchangeable, but the tie goes to the 580 because of dx12, vulcan, and freesync. If I could find an rx 580 in stock for $240 or less, I'd gladly grab it
I've read that dual channel is mostly a meme. My mobo only supports two sticks of ram, so I gave myself the option of buying another stick of 8gb down the road if I need to

>>60563283
Which will also be sold out for months as Raja even said that production was focused on the FE Vega first before RX-Vega so they won't have much in stock at first.

Waiting x2

>>60564146
The mobo is the part that I'm least confident in, but I just don't want to pay for feature that I will never use. Is there a reason to pay more for a B350 if I know I won't be overclocking?
This is more of a budget build so I can't justify $60 bucks for a SSD right now. Fortunately that's a part that won't be to hard to add later

>>60562537
What mATX motherboard for Ryzen overclocks the best? I wanna hit 4GHz on a 1700.

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>>60563849
Why aren't you buying cheap Samsung ram
M378A514EB1-CPB

OCs very well

>>60564172
>Is there a reason to pay more for a B350 if I know I won't be overclocking?
fair enough. But at least get one with a VRM heat sink.

>>60564146
I can sort of see where he's coming in a "future proofing" way.
Current AM4 mobos are shithouse and RAM is real expensive so if he waits a year and gets another stick of ram when the prices come back down and a motherboard whenever the stock 1600 isn't doing it for him his more graphics skewed system should provide very respectable gaming focused performance like that.

Can this pc run 4k gaming. I want to run new games at 60 fps at 4k. I've never built a computer before so I'm not sure.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Ayz/saved/XtCRBm

>>60564197
>get one with a VRM heat sink.
why that? Do VRM heat that muchN

>>60564230
Not even close.
You need at least a 1060 6GB for semi reliable 4K 30fps at medium/high settings and a 1080ti for 60fps.

>>60564230
bad troll

>>60564230
1080p@medium detail at best

>>60564232
here.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JngPxr/msi-a320m-grenade-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-a320m-grenade

>>60564216
So you think the mobo and maybe the CPU would be the first components that should be upgraded down the road? I hadn't really considered that, I was just trying to save money where I could. But I guess if I have to replace a part it might as well be the $60 mobo, although I don't know how difficult it is to move a CPU from one mobo to another. How far down the road do you think this would be neccesary?

What's the best build for overclock? I need a computer who obviously got obsolete when i buy and build it but when the warranty expires (2 years) i can overclock to the moon and get my extra FPS on CS:GO and DotA

>>60564270
I can't afford those parts though is there something on my build that I can change so it will fit the budget better. I got a water cooler so I could try overclocking it. I really like the case so I don't want to change it, but I will if it will help me fit my budget

>>60564328
dude

>>60564328
why do you have a 4k monitor anyways? 90% of people still game on 1080p

>>60564232
Yes, Normally not a problem for the casual user, but with gaming ect you're bound to shorten the life span of those VRM's. Also depends on the amount of phases you're running. Ass rocks 12 phase or whatever doesn't even need VRM cooling, because it's not pushing that much through each module. But with low end boards they are pushing more watts through them making much more heat.

>>60564353
I don't have a 4k monitor I thought I would just do upscaling.

>>60564293
That looks good at only $10 more. I like that it at least has one review compared to no reviews for my mobo.
What would you say are the primary advantages of this mobo over mine, mostly the VRM heat sink?

>>60564232
Not really at 65 watts but it's not much extra for one with a heatsink and lower temperatures will improve the lifespan of them so it's worth it.
>>60564307
The CPU's fine for the foreseeable future for 60FPS gaming. You'll want another RAM stick eventually because dual channel is quite important for ryzen, but 1 stick will suffice for now and RAM prices are very high now, so if you wait a year a 8GB stick will probably be like $30-40 and you can upgrade your motherboard whenever you need a little more CPU performance to something that can overclock,a nd by that time i'm sure ryzen's memory issues will be sorted and there will probably be other various board feature added by then too.

>>60564386
No need for it. Besides. Most graphics cards have a hard time pushing 4k. Even GTX 1080Ti's, and those are easily $600 each.

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>>60564386

For play on 1080@High you need a 775 mobo with xeon (cheap as hell) and some second hand tier decent GPU

>>60564230
This is even with buying Windows, you could easily just crack Windows 7 and get the accessibility upgrade to 10 for free.

>>60564469
Fuck, forgot link
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3QsN4C

>>60564386
Yep, bad troll

>>60564427
But cant i just overclock. That's what I'm getting the water cooler for. Or will that still not be powerful enough

>>60564490
>Yep, bad troll
I laughed.

>>60564443
CPU has no effect on resolution and no LGA775 CPU can run modern games at a solid 60FPS anymore.
They're good for ultra budget 30FPS machines for sure but they're are far past their prime

>>60564490
I'm not trolling I just want help

>>60564490
>Fuck, forgot link
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3QsN4C
>m.2
why? There's no advantage over a normal 2.5" SSD
Also downgrade that PSU to a Corsair CX550. They're discounted to below $40, still 80+ Bronze rated and semi-modular.

>>60564504
Doesn't work that way. Still won't be powerful enough. If it did work, everyone would do it.

>>60564545
>There's no advantage over a normal 2.5" SSD
size & lack of cable is an advantage

>>60564521
If you don't have a 4k display you don't need to spec out for 4k.

>>60564545
The M.2 850 EVO is usually a few dollars cheaper than the 2.5" version and you don't have to deal with cables.

That PSU is 80+ Gold, and you don't cheap out on a PSU. Corsair CX series is CWT shit, if you absolutely must spend less on a PSU EVGA B3 is 80+ Bronze at ~$60 for 550W and it's a Superflower design.

>>60564545
Ok it can't run 4k. If I change the graphics card to a 970 or 980 would that make it run better. I normally just use console so I don't know anything about computers.

>>60564311
Dumb question that assumes clock speed is the only thing relevant to performance.

But Power8, I guess.

>>60564386
I'm not sure why you're getting shit on for this.

1080p or 1620p upscaled to 4K is perfectly fine.

>>60564521
4k refers to the resolution of the monitor. 4k monitors are currently expensive as fuck and hard to play games on comfortably. 4k displays are more for watching movies with a cinematic experience than gaming. a decent 1080p monitor for gaming can cost around $100. meanwhile 4k Monitors are around a grand, and usually more than that.
>>60564596
>If I change the graphics card to a 970 or 980 would that make it run better.
what part of a GTX 1080 (which is more powerful than a 970 or 980) has trouble pushing 4k, didn't you understand? If you want a 4k capable machine, you're going to spend bank on it

>>60564596
An 8GB RX 580 is really overkill for most things at 1080p and it will cost you less than a 970.

Can someone please rate my build? I haven't used anything other than a laptop in years but I'm getting to the point where not having a desktop is unavoidable. Every so often I'll be doing simulated network tests, where I'll run multiple VMs at the same time, for a decent amount of time, each connected in an emulated network (thus the crazy amount of RAM). I'll also be doing lots of code compiling, using some somewhat intensive 3d modeling programs, and I'd like to be able to do a bit of gaming in my spare time, such as the Elder Scrolls and Witcher games with some heavy modding and probably some console emulation and VR stuff too. Also, I'm constant transferring large large files and making backups, so storage speed is very important. Mini-ITX and custom loop for personal preferences. My component knowledge is pretty outdated so if there's something else out there that's better please let me know. I'm going for performance but reliability and low decibel levels are equally important. I'd like to keep things below $2,500.

Case: NCASE M1 (already own)
CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - ROG STRIX Z270i GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($168.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($243.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 PRO - 1TB ($472.96 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($498.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - SF 600W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($119.25 @ OutletPC)
Radiator: EK-CoolStream SE 120 Slim Single ($39.98)
EK-Vardar F2-120 ($17.99)
Pump/Res: EK-XRES 100 Revo D5 PWM ($149.99)
CPU Block: EK-Supremacy EVO - Full Nickel ($100.00)
GPU Block: EK-FC1080 GTX - Acetal+Nickel ($125.49)
GPU Backplate: EK-FC1080 GTX Backplate - Nickel ($43.99)

Total: $2311.97

Left out the tubing and fittings.

>>60564639
Yes, on a 4k display, if your source is only capable of 1080p then upscaling works. Rendering in 4k and downscaling to 1080p or lower is an anti-aliasing technique, you're not actually playing at 4k.

>>60564652
You've been out of the look for a while. For your purposes, I wouldn't grab a 7700k. Instead grab an AMD Ryzen 7 1700 or 1700X. It's AMD's new 8 core CPU with near identical performance to the 7700k in gaming (assuming your ram is fast enough), and much better in multicore, multi-threaded workloads.

Ryzen is AMD's recent replacement for the old FX chips and it's wiping the floor with everything.

My case just arrived. Everything is painted inside, including mobo standoffs and screws. Will there be an issue with lack of ground?

>>60564646
>expensive as fuck
There's a 24" LG 4k IPS display out for less than $300.

>>60564685
I wouldn't think so. Isn't everything grounded through the PSU anyways?

>>60564685
why would standoffs being painted be a problem?

Case is not a ground wtf. The power connectors have grounds.

>>60562537
you have to put it in the fucking title or people can't search for it, drama fag

>>60564646
I just don't want to spend too much money. Is gaming at 15 or 20 fps Ok? Is that about what the build would get

>>60564705
>Is gaming at 15 or 20 fps Ok?
no. You want 40-60 FPS for a 60hz monitor.

>>60564681
>recommending Ryzen when AM4 ITX boards are practically vaproware
He has no other choice outside of Intel, you shill.

>>60564713
Stop responding he's a total retard/baiter

>>60564681
I've been looking into it but I read there are some issues supporting DDR4-3200 but that they are coming out with patches. Is this true?

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>>60564744
I know.

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>>60562571

Toshiba or HGST.

>>60564748
>Is this true?
yup. but the patches are starting to come out. all the board makes have the update in their hands, just need to put it into their bios updates.

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>>60564652
Since you'll be doing VMs code compiling & 3D modelling, you want more cores because both scale very well with core counts. Get a Ryzen R7 1700 instead of that 7700k.
It doesn't need a cooler too, and comes with a very quiet one. Only problem is that mITX mobo is constantly out of stock, but the performance gain is definitely worth it over the 7700k (it has half the cores)

>>60564748
It is but we need to wait a few days for mobo manufacturers to make bioses including that update.

>>60564744
>>60564759
I'm not baiting I have just played consoles my whole life and want to build my first pc. I wanted to get a 4k pc because that's what people say is the best. I don't really understand how pcs work. I'm going to see if best but can assemble it for me when I order the parts because I've never done it before.

>>60564826
I don't know how you got onto /g/ when you just listen to people that say "4k pc is the best". 4k is a meme. it's not worth it. ever. 1440p 144hz > 4k 60hz, and 1080p stable 144hz > unstable anything else

>>60564577
I'm this guy >>60564025
You think I should switch out my PSU for the EVGA 450 B3 for about the same price? I doubt my build will be pushing 450

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Maximus VI Extreme
Intel Core i7 4770k @ 4.7 GHz
Corsair H100i
2x Asus Strix 1080 Ti in SLI
NZXT H440 - Black and Red
2x 4TB segate hdd, 2x Samsung 850 Pro 256 GB in RAID 0
Corsair AX860i
32 GB HyperX Beast @ 2400 MHz
Samsung U28D590D
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/19987224

>>60564866
Oh, and a NZXT Hue+ for the LEDs

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>>60562537
Is that a liquid cooled Ras Pi? Can it even generate enough heat to make that worth it? I'd imagine that a cheap little copper or aluminum heat sink would be more than enough for a smartphone tier chip, even if it was always on and being used for something like a web server.

>>60564826
>I wanted to get a 4k pc because that's what people say is the best.
to make a good 4k PC though, you do have to have money to burn. You can make a very basic one on a console budget but you are sacrificing a LOT. Consoles can't play at a steady 4k resolution for the same reasons, but can hit it once in a blue moon. At the end of the day, a console is just a proprietary PC with a bunch of cost saving compromises. Just get a 1080p setup.

>>60564826
>I wanted to get a 4k pc because that's what people say is the best
Why do you think you can get the best with your budget? It's like going to buy a car with 500 USD in your pocket and saying you heard that the 2017 GT-R was really good so you'd like to haggle for it.

>>60564902
>It's like going to buy a car with 500 USD in your pocket and saying you heard that the 2017 GT-R was really good so you'd like to haggle for it.
THIS!

>>60564866
>SLI
>LEDs
>256gb RAID
>meme AIO cooler

k y s yourself

>>60564916
Nah, that's 2 x 256 GB drives, 512 GB raid.

>>60564916
>not noticing the main parts of the build are 2 years old minimum.

>>60564852
I usually just go on /v/ and some of them over there say 4k is really good. So I came to /g/ to see if anyone could help me

>>60564863
The B3 is semi-modular so I would say yes, although the Seasonic in your build isn't a bad unit.

>>60564715
>>60564796
Ya, unfortunately I can only find one mITX mobo in the AM4 socket. Ha! The BIOSTAR X370GTN. Seems like a decent board though.

>>60564933
We can build you a machine that will play at 4k steadily. But it won't be cheap.

>>60564652
You're going to run the whole thing off a single 120mm rad? You'll need a 240 if you're putting both the GPU and CPU in the loop. You won't have room for that pump/res inside the case though if you do that, so you may want to look into some alternative options there, like a DDC pump on the bottom and the Frozen Q M1 res that mounts to the back.

>>60564929
Yeah, I built it 2 years ago, right before the 780 Ti launch with 2 780s.

>>60564953
called it.

>>60564902
>>60564912
But I have 1000 dollars. That could buy two consoles. so I thought if you put two consoles together you could play on 4k. so thought that would be about the price to get one

>>60564703
No you don't. Search works for any text in the OP. Even the image name.

>>60564936
Both PSUs are listed as fully modular, so I think that's a wash. If I don't need the extra 70W, the B3 seems like it's made of slightly better materials and possibly better design. You think there are any conditions in which 450W would not be enough for my build, considering I'm not overclocking?

>>60564968
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DrFk3F

>>60564966
I feel like I really don't need to upgrade all the other things in my computer though, feel like I am future proof for at least another 2-4 years with what I have with the older parts.

The 780s will probably end up in one of my servers for neural networks.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wdR3nn r8

Intel i5-7500 System (Stock, DDR4-2400)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LChpLD
Ryzen R5 1500X System (Overclocked and DDR4-2800 to match or beat the i5-7500)
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KDR3nn
Look and compare the prices. For anyone who says that the R5 is a better deal, just look at the price difference.
>b-b-but your using more expensive RAM on purpose
No, I'm using the only RAM kit that's certified to work on that motherboard with those XMP profiles according to the manufacturer's own QVL testing.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350%20Pro4/#Memory
There are cheaper RAM that are as fast, but they don't offer 16GB of total RAM. If we bump it down to 8GB (which is no longer enough for modern AAA titles), the ball is still in Intel's court (a $60 difference rather than a $90 difference).

UNTIL AMD CAN MAKE RYZEN WORK WITH ANY AND ALL DDR4-2666 AND FASTER RAM KITS, THIS PRICE DIFFERENCE WILL REMAIN A FACTOR.

Not only that:
http://www.techspot.com/review/1379-and-ryzen-5-1600x-1500x/page6.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs-core-i5-review-twelve-threads-vs-four/2
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/04/11/amd_ryzen_5_1600_1400_cpu_review/5
Note how the four core Ryzen 5 1500X still uses at least 10% more power in nearly all situations than the Core i5 AT STOCK FREQUENCIES. Add in the DDR4-2800 kit you'll need to get similar performance to an i5-7500, and the power consumption rises by around 7-10% (depending on how bad your silicon and motherboard is).

So let's recap
>Core i5-7500 is cheaper overall
>Core i5-7500 uses less power overall
>Ryzen 5 1500X needs to overclock to 3.7GHz on all cores and have DDR4-2800 RAM to reach parity or definitively beat the Core i5-7500 in all games
>Core i5-7500 has no issues with RAM scaling beyond 4000MHz if you somehow decide you want to get an overpriced Z270 board for it
>Ryzen 5 will only reliably hit 3200 on very limited number of RAM kits

And Intel is somehow the worse choice here?
Explain

>>60564891
The total power draw of the Raspberry Pi 3 is something like 12.5W, so yes a heatsink on the SOC and a couple of the other chips would do.

>>60564949
I'd actually rather do an exterior mount and get a 240mm but the loop building site I was using to get some general ideas didn't have the option for it. I've seen it done with the same case and components of equal size before so I'll definitely look into it.

>>60564933
Hey I'm like 90% sure you're trolling but I'll respond seriously anyway. Don't get 4k, it's seriously not worth it in your case at your budget. Look for a really good 1080p gaming build for about $700-800 and then get someone else to put it together for you.

logicalincrements is a good site to start, but I don't like how they automatically suggest a SDD at higher tiers, they only show ATX builds AFAIK, and you could probably save a little money on some components if you know what you're looking for. But for you it's a great place to start and put together a much smarter component list to post on /pcbg/

>>60565010
Oh, right, that's the M12, not the S12. 450W would be more than enough, although I would caution that there are no reviews out for the EVGA B3 yet, and while Superflower is a good OEM we don't know whether that design will outperform your chosen PSU for regulation, efficiency, ripple control, etc. Just buy whichever one is cheaper, would be my recommendation.

>>60565041
>The total power draw of the Raspberry Pi 3 is something like 12.5W
That's actually quite a lot, 10inch tablets have a TPD around that level and they have a screen to power. What the hell SoC does that thing have?

>>60565071
I visited that site once and it literally just shilled Gigabyte shitware for every single component.

>>60565037
So spend the extra five bucks on a decent board and buy cheaper RAM

>>60564968
1000 will get you a REALLY good 1440p gaming rig.. Could probably push 4k occasionally, but 1440p is the butter zone for those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVPXFxOvQa4
He shows you the parts, how to put it together, and then what it can do at 1080p and 1440p

>>60564968
1600 (non X comes with a free cooler)
RX 580 8gb.
500-550W PSU.
Cheapest Mobo you can find, see >>60564293 Note* A type mobo's don't overclock. But I doubt that's a concern to you.
16gb DDR4 ram. 8 will pass for now if budget.
Ebay >>>/g/csg For your mouse and keyboard.
Any cheep 500GB SSD
Additional 1tb+ HDD (can buy later)

Assuming you have 4K a monitor already.
Should get in budget. And play 4k at a reasonable framerate non ultra settings.

>>60565097
Also why the FUCK would you buy 4x4GB?

Is this build:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7ydQvV

worth the extra money compared to this build:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VB9zd6

>>60565071
If 4k isn't worth it is 1440 the next best. How much would it cost to get a pc that could run it? I want to get something higher end so it will last longer. So if it ever starts to get out dated I can go to 1440 or 1080. Would it be smart to do that or should I just build for what I'm using it for

>>60564695
>>60564699

ok, ok... was asking just in case. The mobo has exposed metal to make contact with the screws, after all.

>>60565091
Even if that's true, it's still a far better starting point that where this guy is coming from here >>60564230
It should at least give him a basic idea of what computers are capable of doing at different price levels, even though the site is far from perfect for a variety of reasons

>>60565088
BCM2387 I believe
>Broadcom

>>60565122
Also the 1500X if you still need to squeek down some dollars. The 1500X comes with a cooler.

>>60565037
>AMD
>XMP
you're a funny guy

>>60565151
>Quadcore Cortex A53
Am i missing somehting or is this thing really that inefficient?

>>60565139
those are washers.

>>60565154
The 1600 comes with a cooler as well.
But yeah, as great of value as the 1600 is, it's more than fine for just 60fps gaming. So there is really no harm in dropping down to the 1500X if you don't think you need more than the 8 threads.

>>60565037
>i5-7500 uses less pwoer
... because it's over 30% slower. lol.
Much slower CPU uses less power woooow no way.

>>60565287
>unironically shilling Ryzen even at 4c/8t

there's literally none of your shill benefits at that point how transparent can you get

>>60564866
Nice but those LEDs are fucking god awful

Will the ryzen r5 1600 with out overclocking bottleneck with a 1080 or 1080ti?

>>60565037
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JfXQvV
Love how you conveniently forgets that b350 is a chipset that allows overclocking (whereras b250 doesn't), the R5 1500x also allow to overclock whereas the i5 is locked, and also pick expensive RAM on purpose

Try harder, autist

>>60565037
>micro ATX for intel build
>ATX for AMD build
>4x4 GB RAM
>2800 Mhz for budget Ryzen build
top shill

>>60565338
yes

>>60565316
Shut the fuck up and stop ruining every /pcbg/ thread with your autism.

>>60565283
That's the max draw for the PSU. It may not actually draw anywhere near that.

>>60565037
>>Ryzen 5 1500X needs to overclock to 3.7GHz on all cores and have DDR4-2800 RAM to reach parity or definitively beat the Core i5-7500 in all games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE
suuuuuuuure

>>60565378
>PSU
or AC/DC converter
wall wart
whatever you want to call it

>>60565365
Ok thanks

>>60565338
Depends on your framerate target.
For 60fps, no, but for 144fps or higher you need an i7 unless it's a last gen game or CSGO/overwatch or something.

>>60562537
WHY ARE HALF OF NEWEGG'S RX5xx CARDS STILL OUT OF STOCK REEE I DON'T WANT TO BUY FROM SOME CHINESE SHITTER ON AMAZON OR WAIT A MONTH

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Any improvements I can make on this without rising the cost too much?

>>60565407
Because AMD didn't think anyone would be dumb enough to buy them so they didn't bother making that many.

>>60564025 here
changed the mobo and psu based on suggestions ITT, and changed the GPU for reasons
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R8psr7
I'm very happy with this build and this price. The only thing that I'm slightly worried about is whether it will all fit in the case, since this is my first mATX build.

Any ideas what I can do with a Gigabyte 9970 3GB card that I don't really fancy selling?

Toying with the idea on using it for a mining/home server machine but am not sure.

What are good drives for bulk storage?
Looking for something 3TB±, going in a desktop, not a NAS. Speed doesn't matter.

>>60565378
oh i see, like how the Shield TV comes with a 40 watt adaptor but never used over 20 watts in practice?
Oh i bet it's for USB devices, that makes sense.

>>60565407
Your options are to buy a 1060 or to wait

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FUCKING MINER FAGS

>>60565133
Yes, for 100 pounds more you get a much, much better build both cpu & gpu wise

>>60565411
You can get nice cases for around 30 usd if you do that you could upgrade to 16 gb of ram when it goes on sale

>>60565037
You were saying? :^)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q7Kmpb

Gotta love how you purposefully chose the most expensive parts for your Ryzen build.

>>60565407
Because AMD graphics cards are the best for mining e-currency like bitcoin.

>>60565432
WD or Toshiba seem to be the way to go. Just a word of note though, had a 2TB WD Caviar Black since 2011 that a ran games off of, and only now is it starting to fail mechanically. (Spindle grinding noise causing long load times.)

>>60565431
For btc mining it will be completely useless. You would spend more on power before you make your first can't. I'm not sure about home servers though

>>60565411
That's fine actually, i wasn't aware MSI's A320 mobos had such good memory performance.

>>60565498
Thinking on some of the lesser coins to mine. BTC mining is out of the window.

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Hey /g/,

So I put together a new rig a few weeks ago (pic related) and decided to splurge for a UPS to protect it (I live in an area with lots of thunderstorms and brownouts). So I got this CyberPower CP10000PFCLCD on sale and it says it uses "pure sine wave" but other people have said in reviews it's just an approximate. I have an active PFC PSU (EVGA G3 650W). Because of reasons I can't test it before the two week return date from the store rolls over. Do you think I will have any problems?

>>60565381
Why is the CPU usage always so low for the Ryzen?

>>60565451
No one GPU mines anymore. The fuck you on about?

>>60565522
I put an extra zero in the product name, it's CP1000PFCLCD.

>>60565037
>4x4gb ram
>ATX vs mATX motherboard
You are making things expensive on purpose

>>60565494
I saw people up at the top recommending the Toshiba X300 drives but I already have a 1tb 7200rpm blue and I'd prefer something 5400rpm and quieter, without overpaying. Those HGST drives are nice but command an extra 15-25 per TB.

>>60565522
Is not reporting VRAM correctly a windows thing?

>>60565554
Because it has twice the thread count

>>60565318
Thanks, I really had a hard time trying to make them fit in the window in a good way. The fan in the back pushes the strip into the window.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8JhpLD

>Budget
$900-$1250
>Use
Mostly gaming, looking to build something that will last a good amount of time (last computer played games well for over 8 years and cost me only $600)
>Games
Mostly mil sim. RS2, Arma, etc. Haven't played a lot of newer games because my computer is so outdated but I'd like to.
>Resolution
1080p 144hz, no plans for 4k or 1440p

Anyone want to help lower the price of this build list?

>>60565620
Probably. The whole thing is bollocks.

>>60565625
Right, but my understanding of SMT was that the extra logical threads can only use resources not in use by the physical core, i.e. the logical thread cannot reserve resources.

>>60565041
My rpi 3 model B on full CPU load does not thermal throttle, stays steady on 1.2 GHz on all cores with no heatsink.

>>60565644
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yCjxd6

Quite simple, really. Get the trial windows and save another $100. It's like magic.

>>60565644
Get a Ryzen 5 1600 and a decent B350 motherboard, you don't need an aftermarket cooler with it.

>>60565631
Why go for red though? If you have to have LEDs in it then why not go for a more comfy colour like blue?

>>60565644
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TC3DVY

>>60565692
Mainly because the case is red, but all the LEDs are RGB, yes. Sometimes I change it to something orange or white though.

>>60565684
>>60565691
>>60565696
Thanks guys

>>60565644
Get a more appropriate PSU and try to work an i7 into that budget.
You're not going to run 144Hz with an i5

>>60565719
This I do not agree with. You're not aiming for more threads for higher framerates.

>>60565706
Fair enough.

Regardless, it looks a pretty good system.

>>60565730
A 7700k does reach higher framerate than an R5 1600 though

>>60565455
I was looking for small form factor more than anything

is 16gb really worth it over 8? I've never used more than about 6 in my current system

>>60565730
It drastically increases minimum fps and decreases frametime variance though.
If you're fine with i5 performance you might as well go ryzen.

>>60565759
And it overheats at stock clocks. Not to mention a slight OC on the 1600 puts it up there with the 7700k.

>>60565775
>a slight OC on the 1600 puts it up there with the 7700k.
Nah, a slight OC won't make up for it, the 7700k is clocked at 4.5GHz.

>>60565696
Here. No sacrifice to performance.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LnWR9W

>>60565353
None of ASRock's A320 or B350 can run G.Skill's memory any higher than 2666MHz, and even then you're limited to 2x4GB kits or 4x4GB kits. At those frequencies, your R5 1500X will need to be overclocked to 3.8GHz or higher, which may cause the RAM profile to drop back to 2400MHz for stability. It's a lose-lose situation there until a BIOS fix comes out for ALL of the AM4 motherboards.
>>60565287
>because it's over 30% slower
Overall, the i5-7500 is either 5-7% faster in single-threaded benchmarks, or equal to the R5 1500X at 3.7GHz on all cores. You're making shit up because you haven't tried comparing both systems in real life. The difference between a stock i5-7500 and R5 1500X is not noticeable until you get the FPS counter out for all the games you run on them. That's when you notice how badly the Ryzen 5 needs faster RAM, but the RAM compatibility problem severely limits the type of RAM you can run on them. That drives up costs even further compared to a stock i5-7500 on a B250 motherboard and 2400MHz RAM.

>>60565498
>>60565491
>>60565517
>>60565558

it's ETH mining, 4xx cards are super good for it, and I'm guessing that means 5xx cards are too

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>>60565759
It's also twice as expensive once you factor in the beefy cooler and Z board. Not to mention it will still probably have heat issues. You do not get a 100% gain over R5 1600, and you actually get less resources to play with in the long-term.

There are performance gains in strictly gaming with the i7 7700k, but they come at a steep cost, both monetary and technical.

>>60565790
>hurr ridiculous clockspeeds are required for frame pushing
not if the architecture isn't designed that way. This is like comparing a Honda K20 that revs to 8500 RPM to make 220 HP, then saying that a Ford Duratec 3.0L V6 making the same power is shit because it's a larger engine making the same power at a lower rpm with less work.

>>60565775
>Not to mention a slight OC on the 1600 puts it up there with the 7700k
The 1600 does not reach 7700k performance in any game. It's value is in performance/dollar and non-gaming multithreaded tasks

>>60565790
You mean 4.2GHz
And the 1700 typically matches or beats it at 3.9-4GHz, because Ryzen beats Kaby Lake in IPC.

>>60565487
Go to the manufacturer's page for that motherboard and then come back to me. That RAM kit will not work beyond 2666MHz, and you need at least 2800MHz to get an advantage over the stock i5-7500.

>>60565850
>food analogy
Don't be retarded. The R5 1600 doesn't reach as hgih framerate as the 7700k do.

>>60565573
No I did not. The motherboard was chosen SPECIFICALLY because it has the widest list of QVL tested memory. All of the other mATX and ATX B350 boards do not have as many 2666 and over tested kits, and from the reviews for all of the mATX boards, they usually can't run past 2666 unless the memory is part of the QVL list. That RAM kit I picked out is SPECIFICALLY LISTED as a set that will work at 2800MHz.
Try harder.

>>60565861
1600 and 1700 are matched in SC performance

OC the 1700 to ~4GHz and it trades blows with the 7700k in the majority of games.

>>60565872
>You mean 4.2GHz
No, i mean 4.5GHz.
The majority of motherboards people get it with have a feature that make it stay at boost clock constantly

>>60565892
>food
Y-...you eat cars?
>>60565922
>stay at boost clock constantly
>when it overheats at stock clocks anyway
>Intel has to clock their processors at +0.5GHz compared to Ryzen to compete
lol

>>60565872
>because Ryzen beats Kaby Lake in IPC
That is complete fud
Kaby Lake and Skylake beat Ryzen in IPC for almost all workloads EXCEPT one very specific instruction set on a Linux OS. That's like saying that Broadwell-E has 25% faster IPC than Ryzen because that's what it showed on a specific SSE3 instruction set benchmark.

And I'm the shill here, somehow.

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>i7-6700k @4.2Ghz
>8x2 3200mhz DDR4
>Asus Z170S
>650W Evga G3
>Samsung 850 250gb SSD
>WD Blue 1Tb 7200rpm
>NH-D15
>XFX RX480 8gb

How are my maymays? I'm using an old shitty tv till I get a 144hz benq.

>>60565970
>that is complete FUD
Then please tell me how the 6900k at the same clocks as the 1800X loses in virtually every benchmark or application?

>>60565984
this isn't for computers you've already built, anon.

>>60565775
>And it overheats at stock clocks
More lies. None of the Kaby Lake K CPUs have thermal management issues unless they're overclocked with certain voltage adjustments. Again, AMDshills taking a specific issue and blowing it out of proportion because Intel is "evil".

>>60565905
I'm running with 2x8GB Ripjaws V at 3200 on that board. Also $50 cheaper than the garbage quad-channel kit you added just to shill for Intel. Come at me bro.

>>60565915
It absolutely does not.
The 7700K is not -much- faster than a 1700 but it is definitely faster in practically every single one of them. I think there might be an RTS or somehting where the threads can be helpful.
Ryzen "trades blows" with the i5s while offering better minimum framerates and frame time variance, they can't match the i7s in gaming performance yet.

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>>60566008
This is false

>>60566008
It does. The 6900K and 1800X trade blows in every application I've seen, where the difference is well within a margin of error of 5%. In some benchmarks, the 6900K wins by a small amount. In others, the 1800X does.
But that says nothing of how much more you get from the X99 platform over the X370. Shill harder next time.
>>60566028
And I bet another AMDrone with the same RAM kit and same motherboard can't get their system to post under the same conditions. This is a known issue. Come at me.

>>60566008
6900k isn't skylake/kabylake.

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>>60566058
>This is a known issue. Come at me.

And it will be fixed for them too. My case shows that it is quite possible. Also, take a look at the garbage RAM you have chosen for the Ryzen build and tell me how many others use that RAM in their build. None? Gee, I wonder why. How about you go do some research on what people actually build. The manufacturers information is obsolete, it's just to cover their asses.

>>60565338
Depends on game.
On a game that only uses 3 cores like CSGO? Yeah maybe, but it'll still get 350+ FPS even though the GPU could go higher.

On pretty much every ubisoft game except far cry primal, frostbyte games, over 95% of AAA games from the last 3 years? No.

>>60566008
>tell me how
The 6900k isn't Skylake, silly.
They have similar IPC, but AMD's SMT is on average about 30% better.
Clock for clock, in 90%+ of multithreaded applications, Ryzen just plain wins.

>>60566029
Ryzen won't be able to beat the i7-7700K at all. Even with optimized drivers and firmware, the i7-7700K's superior clock speed will always make it pull ahead, especially with games running on the older APIs. Ryzen's IPC in Unity Engine games is roughly 92% of that of Kaby Lake at the same clock speed, and roughly 95% in Unreal Engine games.
AMD's Fine Wine won't work if the bare silicon can't keep up to begin with.

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>>60566017
Is that why Intel told people who buy K series CPUs not to overclock?

>>60566029
see pic>>60566058
>margin of error of 5%
Jesus tittyfucking Christ

>how much more you get from the X99 platform
Quad channel memory for an extra $150?

>>60566058
>This is a known issue. Come at me.
you are pitiful
partaking in brand wars is really the most autistic thing you can do

>>60566111
>And it will be fixed for them too
HOW MANY MONTHS HAS IT BEEN SINCE THE LAUNCH OF AM4?
Why the fuck do we the consumers have to put up with AMD's incompetence and laziness? Why the fuck should we purchase ANY of their CPUs and motherboards knowing that they half-assed their products and expect US to just "deal with it"?

Get your head out of your own ass and smell the roses. No one in their right mind should purchase Ryzen without knowing what they're getting into.

>>60566017
>Calls the company he shills for liars
lol !

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>>60566015
But I only put it together this past Thursday :(

>>60566167
>I have never seen a new architecture launch: the post

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+RX+560&id=3708

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125975

Passmark says 560s are 8x PCIe, product listing here says 16x. Can non-ref cards change the architecture like that, or is newegg's listing wrong, or what?

>>60566167
>HOW MANY MONTHS HAS IT BEEN SINCE THE LAUNCH OF AM4?
Two, you autist. It's also a brand new architecture, while Intel's is eleven fucking years old.
What are you sperging about?

>Why the fuck do we the consumers have to put up with AMD's incompetence and laziness? Why the fuck should we purchase ANY of their CPUs and motherboards knowing that they half-assed their products and expect US to just "deal with it"?
I see that you already have an opinion ofr your own. That's nice, but no one really care about your tantrums.

>>60566167
X99 still has problems that weren't fixed 3 years later.
It also took them a YEAR for RAM compatibility not months.
Dumb shill.

>>60566149
Holy shit what kind of ghetto ass benchmark has ryzen single core performing better than kaby lake?
Also >4.5GHz ryzen
Haha holy shit, it's a silicon unicorn.

>>60566203
cute fractal
did you do the paintjob yourself?

>>60566149
>Is that why Intel told people who buy K series CPUs not to overclock?
No, Intel's engineer only said to avoid overclocking if the user did not have or does not know how to properly manage the heat output of any K SKU CPU. That does not mean "don't overclock", it means "overclock if you're confident your system can handle it".
>>60566149
That benchmark puts a lot of emphasis on one particular instruction set, in which Ryzen is sgnificantly better at processing than Kaby Lake or Broadwell-E. But that does NOT paint the whole picture, as gaming benchmarks, other single-threaded benchmarks, and programs point out.

Like I said, Ryzen is very good in SPECIFIC circumstances, but Kaby Lake and Broadwell-E is better in many other circumstances. You're taking one slight advantage and ruling out the existence of its other failings. Just like AMD's PR department ordered you to.

>>60566234
there is a factory white version

still has the shitty blue LED though

If I have a 1060 what should I upgrade to get decent 1440p/60 performance?

>>60566203
And? This thread is for helping people pick parts and fiercely arguing over basically nothing so they dont make 1000 new threads every day about them.
If you finished it 20 seconds ago it wouldn't matter unless it wasn't posting or somehting. Wrong thread.

>>60566242
>still has the shitty blue LED though
Oh christ that must looks very bad

>>60566268
wait til next generation, you wasted your money getting mid tier card.

>>60566221
The VRMs on some X370 motherboards are actually decent so 4.5 is possible. Point is the Ryzen matches Kaby Lake IPC at a lower clock speed.

>>60566268
turn down the settings in your games

>>60566282
"Post your component list; rate other anons';"
stop bullying him.

>>60566234
No. You can buy them in white/silver now.

>>60566235
Most gaming benchmarks test at stock clocks. The stock clock for the 1800X is 3.6GHz with a 4GHz boost. If you clocked it at 4.2-4.5 like the 7700k performance would be much closer to parity

>>60566286
it's a small job to pop it out or change it, it's not epoxied in or anything.

blue light on a white case is like mint white chocolate. It's visually cloying

>>60562537
Is buying an used graphics card a trap? I found an used gtx 970 near my place for 800 BRL (~245 dollars), what should i be aware of before making the purchase?

>>60566292
>Point is the Ryzen matches Kaby Lake IPC at a lower clock speed
No it fucking doesn't. If that was true, Ryzen at 4.2GHz would beat or get even with a stock i7-7700K at 1080p or lower resolution. But we all know that's not the case.

>>60566292
>so 4.5 is possible
On liquid nitrogen maybe. On convective cooling ryzen is basically hard limited at 4.1GHz or 4.2 at suicide voltages

>>60566329
>he doesn't run liquid nitrogen or freon for cooling
what are you even doing with your life

>>60566347
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>>60566347
move when needed

>>60566289
When are the consumer Vega cards suppose to be out?

>>60566321
"used GPU" often means "used at 100% for months minine buttcoins"

I cleaned out dust on my cpu fan and the heatsink, when i put everything back together, my fan blade broke. I guess it settled in the dust.

Went and bought a new one. It starts fine till it gets between 55c-63c and it shuts off. Im almost positive i installed it the same way as the other one. Any suggestions? My only other guess is new thermal paste

Only ever built once

>>60562699
You obviously know dickall. To put it in perspective. AMD certified all motherboards for a stock 8 core. An 1800x pulls more amps at stock clocks then a 1500x at 1.44v

>currant requirements at max vcore
4c/8t-50A
6c/12t-70A
8c/16t-100A

>>60566321
For a little bit more you can get a 980 on amazon brand new. I have one and it even handles shitty optimized arma 3 on 100-120 koth servers

>>60566321
only specific radeon ones used for bitcoining/specific nvidias for heat/bad build issues
I've been running an used GTX 970 and used xeons for quite a while without any issue

>>60565734
Yeah it runs really well for work (AI) and gaming too.

>>60566327
eat shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5RP1CPpFVE

>>60566329
The CPU heat is not what prevents Ryzen from OCing, it's motherboard OEMs using shitty VRMs. The 1700 can easily OC to 3.9GHz on the stock cooler unless you get a shitty bin.

>>60566416
Everything here in Brazil is overpriced as fuck, 245 dollars for an used gtx 970 here is considered "a good price".

>>60566491
I hear buying anything vista related in Brazil is cancer since it's taxed and treated as gambling.

>>60566468
>The CPU heat is not what prevents Ryzen from OCing, it's motherboard OEMs using shitty VRMs.
It's neither, it's an architectural or fabricational limit on ryzen silicon or a mix of both.
If it was either of the things you listed the 6 and 4 core ryzens would show some improvement over the 8 cores.

>>60566527
If it was an architectural issue why would binning even matter?

If it's fabricational, GloFo's 14nm FinFET isn't really a mature process yet. Wait a couple years and...wait, they'll be shipping 7nm sometime next year.

>>60566491
In that case, get what you can anon. Id be wary to make sure that it works

>>60566589
>If it was an architectural issue why would binning even matter?
It doesn't really with ryzen to an extent.
The variance in maximum clocks between ryzen chips is so much smaller than we've seen in AMD CPUs in the past and the difference between a highly binned 1800X and the lowest 1700 is surprisingly minimal, 200-300MHz at worst. AMD's steamroller chips could be limited at anywhere from 4GHz to over 5GHz and we don't even know where intel chips fall since half their line up is locked but their unlocked chips themselves have more variation in bins than ryzen does between the 1800x and 1700.
There's also the fact that ryzen is seeing significantly high yields of 80% for 8 cores.
I'm not going to say this is evidence of an architectural limit though, just that ryzen seems to be relatively unaffected by binning compared to what we've seen in the past. Either way if it was temperature of VRM power delivery there should be a significant difference in the clocks while running the 4 cores, but from what i've seen that only manages to push clocks up by a small amount if any

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