Is Manjaro Linux good?

Its fine. I think overall though Arch > Antergos > Manjaro

>>60555774
>Based off of Arch but without wasting time setting it up
>Have access to the AUR
>Now is Systemd-less by default
Yes, its great

>>60555789
This.

>>60555790
>systemd-less by default

There's an option to use systemd in the installer, right?

>>60555790
>Now is Systemd-less by default
Uh... no it isn't.

>>60555774
no

>>60555790
Just because they have OpenRC builds does not mean every flavor does not have Systemd.

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>>60555774
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>60555790
>>60555922
its not

>>60555774
It's quite nice. i3 version installs with ~650 packages. It's basically the bare minimum arch install to have everything working out of the box. And it delays arch packages for a few weeks and only merges stable packages in their repos, + developers making detailed announcements for every roll out = a very stable system, only a few weeks behind arch.

>>60555774
Yes
>>60555789
I respect your wrong opinion
Arch>Manjaro>Antergos
>>60555790
>>60555922
>>60556091
>systemdless by default
wrong, there's a build for openrc xfce but thats not official

>>60556262
>one openrc build out of 50
>it's systemdless by default
ok

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>>60556284
I said he was wrong my guy do you not have any reading comprehension?

>>60555774
its for people who are too stupid to install arch

>>60555922
>>60555941
>>60556091
>>60556262
Shit, didn't realize every build didn't have that
I could see them phasing out Systemd support across all builds at some point though

>>60555790
Manjaro can't be purely stripped down to "just arch"
It's really fucking good but not flawless.

I'd say if you're the slow to learn type, It's a really good starting point; however I've noticed that it has some "windows issues" in that sometimes trying to simplify things actually makes them harder to do (partitioning) or makes it harder to warp your head around because of the back and forth between terminal and GUI(adding repos? I forget where this happened to me.)

I'm more of the "Trial by fire" type, Arch was my first (GNU/)Linux and found it easier just to learn the commands and how everything worked and stuff.
Partitioning/ pacman stuff is just easier in the term.

>>60555774
It's my favorite color, so it must be. In fact it's one of the things that sold me out on the Arches.

>>60556484
yeah once systemd alternatives get decent openRC will be on its way. I recently tried it and the OpenRC init system is not a whole lot better but my autism rests easier for some reason

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>>60556449
That's the spirit.

Anyone know a way to switch from SystemD to OpenRC on an Existing Manjaro install?

I use it for lightweight virtual machines. Pretty nice actually.

>>60555774
Manjaro user here. Avoid KDE, XFCE is where it's at.

>>60560708
XFCE is deprecated

>>60556262
>I respect your wrong opinion
>Arch>Manjaro>Antergos
Antergos = Arch with an installer (https://github.com/Antergos/Cnchi) and a theme/misc repo (https://github.com/Antergos/antergos-packages/tree/master/antergos)
Manjaro = Arch based with custom repos

How can Antergos possibly be worse than Manjaro...

>>60560718
KDE is utter shit. It's almost like Windows.

>>60560718
do you know what else is deprecated? you're face

>>60555774
antergos is better

>>60560708
Why avoid KDE?

>>60555790
>Now is Systemd-less by default
Wait, What if I updated from older version that used systemd will this break the system?

>>60560699
>I use it for lightweight virtual machines
As a guest or a host?

>>60561824
It won't delete Systemd.
There is a SystemD and an OpenRC Version now.

Is there a practical reason to use Arch/Manjaro/Antergos/etc other than feeling leet?

Serious question, not trolling

>>60561535
Looks good but it's heavy, counter intuitive and goes against the principle of simplicity of Manjaro.

>>60562237
Latest packages and AUR.
You can try fedora as well.

How stable manjaro is?
I haven't updated in a very long time.
Is it safe to run -Syu?

>>60562306
Yes. Yes.
I don't get how can Arch get so glitchy while Manjaro doesn't.

Why does manjaro force "Manjaro-System" package to be updated first?

I had a bad experience with manjaro, after I downloaded a package, when starting I got stuck up at splash screen.

>>60562401
Manjaro dev team lets Arch users beta test for a bit before the let the update on their repos.

>>60562451
I had that too, two months ago when a lib32 bullshit update failed. Going to console and -Syu then reboot worked wonders.

Set up a VM with it today on a Win 10 machine to mess around with and also as a kind of personal desktop inside Win 10 (don't like using multiple accounts) because family members sometimes use this PC.

Like it so far, easier than most Lincucks I used so far.

>>60562475
>Going to console and -Syu then reboot worked wonders
How?
Did you chroot?

>>60562495
Is this a serious question?
>what is Ctrl Shift F2

It's great.

It's like what Ubuntu wanted to be, but without all the crap stuff.

the i3WM version is perfect for me. I'd say this distro is perfect for beginners and regular linux users. Arch and Manjaro both have great documentation.

>>60562500
I'm sorry, there seem to be a misunderstanding.
What does Ctrl+Shift+F2 do for you and at what stage of booting??
because in my case the system stuck at splash screen.

>>60562306
absolutely safe

So what I'm guessing this thing just has all of the arch binaries but older?

>>60555992
Fuck off stallman, it's the name of the distribution.

>>60562547
You could try to only boot to run level 3 (multi user mode with networking but without running X).

Wenn you see the grub boot menu press e to edit the boot config.

Scroll down to the line starting with "linux", search for the word "quiet" in that line and remove it, then type "3". Also remove the word "splash" if it exists in that line. All words without quotes.

Press F10 to boot.

Manjaro should boot to terminal now. Now try to repair your system.

Don't worry about changing the line back it will restore to it's default settings on the next boot.

Hope that helps.

Manjaro sucks you cant even use a second monitor

>>60562859
Thanks.
It happened about a year ago.
I've re-installed since then.

>>60555774
Manjuice Linux is one of the worst distros you could ever use.
>they let their SSL certificate expire
>twice
>in a year
If they can't even manage their SSL certificates, do you expect them to be able to handle a full blown GNU/Linux distro?

>security
Manjuice's security model basically looks like this
>pull whole Arch repository and push it into Unstable
>let it sit there for 2 weeks
>push Unstable into Testing
>let it sit there for 2 weeks
>push Testing into Stable
Where is the problem here exactly?
They don't distinguish between security updates and general bug fixes/version increments.
So in order to get fixes for terrible exploits such as Heartbleed or a Linux version of the SMB1 exploit, you'll have to wait around 4-6 weeks for the update to trickle from Manjuice Unstable down to Manjuice Stable.
Have fun using an inherently secure device during that period while the fixed packages ripen in Unstable and Testing for literally nothing.

If you want to have all the features of Arch, including the AUR, but with none of the hassle, use Antergos.

>>60555789
>Arch > Antergos
Antergos is Arch with a few extra packages, which mostly aren't even installed when you install the system.

>>60563452
>Linux version of the SMB1 exploit
That thing doesn't exist.

>>60562401
>I don't get how can Arch get so glitchy
When was the last time you actually used Arch?

>>60563526
>reading comprehension
It was an example.

>>60563543
Last week. Screenfetch came with two lines of warning telling me there were packages in need of updating while everything was fine.

>>60563556
Use realistic examples.
Like LostInTranslation attack, or ffmpeg thumbnail exploit.

>>60563558
are you sure that wasn't just an issue with screenfetch?

The only time I've ever had pacman break something was when I installed an AUR package that had a dependency that no longer existed.

>>60563594
when screenfetch is broken, anon, that's a sign of things to come
specially with arch

>>60563452
That's completely false. They push out security updates as fast as everyone else. The fact that this has been true for over a year and a half shows that you have no idea what you are talking about, and only have the capacity to spout memes.

>>60555789
Manjaro (AUR but also very stable) > Antergos (Arch without autism) > Arch

>>60562250
>principle of simplicity of Bloatjaro
LMAO
M
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>>60560807
*Your

>>60565756
It's not near as bloated as the majority of distros. Something like 700ish packages and about 400mb of mem used in a new install.

>>60565777
yes it fucking is, it's as bloated as Mint and Ubuntu
Comes with VLC, Firefox, Steam, Libreoffice, hexchat, pidgin, thunderbird, hp device manager (wtf), deadbeef and probably wine

>>60565828
Use manjaro architect and install a minimal manjaro, faggot.

>>60565948
nigger-tier evasion

>>60565828
>>60566000
mes with about 2200. So no, it is not near as bloated as the majority of distros. Don't need a program? Delete it, it takes mere seconds. Unless you don't know how, but then you wouldn't know how to """""set up"""" arch anyway.

*Ubuntu co-

>>60566393
>It's not bloated
>Yes it is, here's why
>SO JUST DELETE THAT GOD
You are a special kind of stupid

>>60566424
Nine (9) programs, nine (9) seconds. You will spend more time than that with any other distro setting it up. It's nine (9) little clicks, is that really too hard to wrap your brain around?

>>60566451
>principle of simplicity of Bloatjaro

>>60566482
Some people want a functional system, I knw that must be hard to understand that. Also 700 < 2200. Try harder with your meager criticism over nine (9) programs.

>>60555774
What's so bad about Antergos?
Why do you prefer Memejaro?

>>60566686
antergos = arch + installer + pretty theme

manjaro = a whole different distro based on arch with its own repos and nice tools with fantastic hw detection and automatic configuration. Also manjaro architect is nice.

>>60555774
If you want a rolling release why not use opensuse tumbleweed?
It's updated more frequently and undergoes the same (if not better) quality of testing before a package is updated.

>>60566837
Because fedora is better.

>>60566807
> fantastic hw detection and automatic configuration
as long as you don´t have an optimus card
manjaros hw detection+autoconfig is more likely to fail you than arch

>>60561534

Okay, but how?

>>60558502
Install the openrc version and keep your /home

>>60567158
specially if you have an optimus card, like I have. Bulmblebee up and running and playing games from a Live session launching the game with primusrun

>>60562427
>Why does manjaro force "Manjaro-System" package to be updated first?
I use Manjaro and I absolutely can not stand this. BUT I use unstable which does not use this (Manjaro unstable is synced with Arch stable) the repos are 6-12 hours behind Arch so it's pretty damn close and if anything happens there will be plenty of stuff on the Arch forums to help resolve a problem but if anything goes wrong that I can't fix I can just revert to the stable repos for a while. I don't expect to need to though but it's there so I feel super comfy about it.

>>60563452
if any part of this were true maintaining a stable manjaro would be as difficult as maintaining a stable arch.

>>60563556
>making something up
>it's an example
>i kno inglush

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FOR THE LAST TIME IF YOU WANT TO USE ARCH BUT ARE SCARED OF THE INSTALL JUST USE ARCH-ANYWHERE

>>60567499
but did you consider that i don´t want to use arch?
just something similar?

I used it for a few months how to last bility problems because of KDE. might give this destroy another chance since I decided to move to Mate. emphasis on might, I'm a write fag who plays video games on the side. I don't really care about having the latest packages. I'm not sure what Manjaro could offer me that Debian doesn't have.

>>60567499
I did consider that but I don't want to deal with unexpected issues and time I spend configuring Arch Linux it's time I could spend working or enjoying myself.

>>60567499
It's not the install, but the lack of functionality after you install it. I understand about making your own system, but the majority of users have no idea all of the packages they need. That's the issue, not the install, at all.

>>60557831
Why are people openly adopting different alternatives to working things solely too sooth "autism". Is this the after effect of that "weaponized autism" I've been hearing about?

>>60563605
just werks on my machine, maybe it was user error

>>60567499
what about revenge installer?

>>60556449
>>>60555774 (OP)
>its for people who are too stupid to install arch

Arch? That's short for "I'm to stupid to install LFS"?

>>60568258

Have you used Arch-Anywhere? It lets you install as much functionality as any other distro.

I find it weird that any time Arch is discussed, people only mention Manjaro, Antergos and Arch itself but never speak of Parabola GNU/Linux.

>>60562574
>>60562574

>>60568670
I don't, memes aside most people can't be bothered using only "free" alternatives.

>>60568739
most GNU/Linux users are using chromium, steam and blobbed kernel, other than that their system is fully free already

>>60555774
It's excellent. Been using it for over a year now. Stable, simple to use and no issues.

>>60555790
Why do you neckbeards hate systemd?

because you cant figure it out more than likely.

>>60566507
>Steam and hp device manager
>function system
>principle of simplicity of Bloatjaro
Golden

>>60568670
Because it's flawed even in principle.
>hurr durr fucking non-free software on arch repos
>let's do it free(tm) but let AUR be, which is the Linux repository with the most non-free software
Fuck freetards

>>60566000
nigger-tier argument
that's because you are a nigger.

>>60568383
this, revenge installer is so much better. Actual GUI and more customization options

>>60569527

Nah, only because it's got more LOC than the FreeBSD kernel. I like simplicity as long as it does the job.

>>60555774
I'm on manjaro now.

I like it but not sharing repos with arch is starting to hurt. I will probably upgrade to Arch over this summer when I have time. It's a great primer because I've become really familiar with the arch wiki as a result. I would highly recommend manjaro for this purpose.

>>60560775
I only used Antergos once but they did some bizarre things like not shipping gdm with gnome. Im back on manjaro KDE now and it works well enough.

>>60562237
The arch repos are the most complete out of any distro I have used then there is AUR. I use manjaro and there is nothing "leet" about it. Its as easy to install and use as ubuntu.

>>60568623
Yes I have. It does not provide a well-rounded system to anyone that has not worked extensively with Linux. Maybe you can enlighten us on how to just install pamac, for example. Manjaro gives me everything I want, is it very hard to understand that? Arch offers me nothing.

>>60570742
Steam is not included, so maybe brush up on a few facts before commenting, perhaps?

>>60571765
>steam is not included
>except it is
Also
>m-muh bloat when I can have a minimal install

So the only criticisms of Manjaro is "it's not Arch?" Seems pretty weak.

>>60562401
>>60562566

how stable is compared to Arch? Is it stable as Ubuntu LTS?

>>60567499

>hi anon, I heard you want to ride a bicycle. Ok, all you need is to find some steel, design your own frame using diamond shape and then grab the parts you need. What, you don't know how to weld? Grab the manual and learn. It's not hard at all, I did it and now I can ride a bike the way I want it. No bloat and please don't use a derailleur or a freewheel like everyone else, use a fixie and learn to ride how it should be!

>>60555774
Yeah. It's basically a pre-configured Arch that pushes updates every 2 weeks (instead of as they are released) and has extra packages in the repos (compiz, pamac, MDM...) That I wouldn't be bothered to install from AUR.
I generally don't like the installed themes and applications it comes with but that's a fairly easy fix.

>>60565745
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA gr8 b8 m8