/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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try sourcemage https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/A_Neutral_Look_at_Operating_Systems/Linux#SourceMage

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>>60553604

>>60553584
No.

>>60553560
I'm looking to switch form Ubuntu to Debian but it seems like an awkward time to do so. I'm interested in Debian 9 bc some of the new packages are things I'd rather not do without. Should I install 8.8 and upgrade or would I save time by using the testing installer?

Also, should I have a separate root account? I'm going to be the only one using this computer.

Is GIMP good to replace Photoshop? Or is more worthy if I install wine?

>>60553653
I don't not about the debian part, but is always advisable to use a separate account from root

>>60553691
Install GIMP. Activate single window mode, install the G'MiC plugins.

>>60553691
GIMP is a great program and just as capable as photoshop.

>>60553702
gmic is epic, works on its own too via cli (like imagemagick)

>>60553702
can confirm GIMP comes in single window mode by default now

>>60553731
has a separate GUI too

>>60553691
if you use case is more about making memes than professional editing then yes.

>>60553695
I'm asking because I saw this on the Debian Wiki;
>As of DebianSqueeze, if you give root an empty password during installation, sudo will be installed and the first user will be able to use it to gain root access (currently, the user will be added to the sudo group). The system will also configure gksu and aptitude to use sudo. You should still verify group membership after logging in as the installed user.

>>60553756
""""""professional""""""

>>60553744
>can confirm GIMP comes in single window mode by default now
No it doesn't. Your distribution must have patched it to be that way by default.

>>60553782
proud to have Devuan

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I'm looking for a launcher that has a overlay-thingy with icons like homerun or that launcher ubuntu has, but I'm on arch.
Any suggestions?

What are the advantages of using CLI over GUI?

can you guys recommend me a quick and light gnu/linux distro to do some torrenting with? im familiar with fedora 25 workstation and would use that + installing vuze but less resource usage is really preferable here

there's no operating system on the system right now, it doesn't have to be a live cd or anything. i dont want to spend a whole bunch of time getting it ready either so while >install gentoo + rtorrent would be light on resources eventually it isnt really an option

>>60545487
thanks but my experiences with qbittorrent have been bad and i couldn't find an appimage for anything else

>>60553808
>Devuan
That's my wife's son's name!

>>60553782
Excuse me. You just have to click literally one button to enable single windiw mode.

Anybody try to develop for GNOME? It's a fucking mess. There's no good documentation on how to develop using this fucking gay ass flatpak thing, so you're forced to either use jhbuild, which is a pile of shit, or their shitty IDE.

KDE fucking sucks as a DE imo but at least its really easy to hack away.

>>60553832
Please rephrase your question to intelligible English and try again.

>>60553846
We're talking about the default interface.

Without shitposting, what made you settle for your preferred desktop environment? What advantages or features did it offer that others didn't?

>>60554057

>KDE Neon

It just looked better than others.

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First for my choice GNU/Linux distribution.

>>60554022

He wants Unity but not Unity.

>>60553731
What does gmic do exactly.

>>60554057
Ratpoison is not a DE but thanks to it there is no need to configure a thousand things when it comes with one config file to change shortcuts for everything

>>60554102
yeah I could change distros but arch is comfy as fuck

>>60553832
That's GNOME

>>60554075
This is extremely problematic

>>60554188
x-----D ebin

I've been trying Mint for the past few days and it really is wonderful. I can definitely see myself favoring a GNU/Linux environment over Windows.

The only problem I've had is my wireless USB adapter has terrible speeds in Mint. I'll keep looking for a fix. It's the only thing keeping me on Windows at the moment.

Whenever I use tlp on my kaby lake laptop (default configuration) it makes my desktop lag quite a lot, but has about 5W of power saving. How do I disable/reduce the impact it has on CPU power?

>>60554492
Don't use systemd

How can I get flowblade in Solus?

Lets talk about security for a moment.

There are Linux Security Modules (LSM), and kernel patches. I been digging a little and some interesting LSM are AppArmor and Smack, have anyone use them?

Also, besides RSBAC (alternative to grsec) there is a SecurelLevel, but apparently Linus himself reject it because he wanted "capabilities" instead. Thoughts?

Does Pulseaudio have any extra audio latency over pure ALSA? Does it make much of a difference for rhythm games?

>>60554650
all extra hardening stuff, even SELinux is 99% pure tinfoil for desktop use. You're already safe from malware/average hackers because you're using GNU/Linux, which is already a trillion times more secure than windows, and has hardly any malware targeting it. If you're worried about the NSA or CIA getting into your data, you may as well not bother. You're already safe from their mass data collection in windows, but chances are they already have a remote backdoor to your CPU.

>>60554738
I am not talking about desktop use, I am asking for industrial grade security, if that is the correct term

>>60554688
Pulse has higher latency than ALSA.

/g/ how do I encrypt my shit? My partition setup right now is simple (500mb FAT Efi partition, then the rest of the disk is ext4 mounted at /). How do I go about moving to full disk encryption? Should I encrypt /boot? Between luks and lvm and all the other solutions I'm confused as to which is best. Preferably something that won't hurt performance much.

>>60554806
No it doesnt

>>60554806
How much are we talking about though? Something irrelevant like 0.5ms or 3+ ms?

>>60554688
Use JACK

>>60554809
Why would you want to encrypt shit?

>>60554809
archwiki
full disk encryption
search it

>>60554838
see
>>60554839

Get this Poettering shit out of here.

>>60554878
not him, but encrypting the boot partition is one step to prevent evil maid attacks, although I wish someone help me choose a LSM to complement all that

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What are some cool terminal commands?

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>>60554997

sudo apt-get install internet

>>60555034
LOL!

>>60554997
https://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/browse/sort-by-votes

>>60554997
cat

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>>60554997

cat > file.txt # then press CTRL+D to end the file
cat << END > file.txt # then write END and press ENTER to end the file
lpr -p canon file.doc # prints "file.doc" to the "canon" printer
kill -1 processName # re-reads the process's configuration file
kill -9 processName # kills process without question
su - usernanme -c command # do one command as another user
display -window root ~/wallpaper.jpg # set wallpaper though imagemagick
import -window root png:$HOME/xwz_$(date "+%Y-%m-%d-%H:%M:%S").png # take screenshots though imagemagick
killall -INT avconv 2>/dev/null || avconv -f x11grab -r 25 -s 1280x720 -i :0.0 $HOME/output.webm & # record desktop through avconv (I need to fix the quality though)

>>60554997

:(){ :|:& };:

>>60554057
Xfce, because it takes a few minutes to customize it how I like. Its lightweight enough that I can run it on any of my computers. KDE looks pretty and has a ton of features but I don't think I'd use any of them

>>60555167
>

kill -9 

Should only used when nothing else works, since -9 actually, really kills the process, so it can't save states, free memory, etc like it would to on termination.

>>60555167
>cat > file.txt
neat
>>60555194
>>>/9gag/

>>60555167
>processName
kill actually wants a PID, I'd suggest to use pkill

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>>60554997

for((i=0;;i++)){ printf "%$(bc -l<<<"a=20*s($i/10);scale=0;a/1+20")s`tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'<<<';FDE 2?@E96C 32D9 924<6C'`\n";sleep .05;}

>>60555233

 
9fag () { printf ">>>/9gag/" && 9fag & }; 9fag 

>>60555504
topkek

>>60555504
LOL!

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What is it about Unix users that makes them want to destroy technology?

>>60555835
There are no Unix users around anymore.

im trying to mount a usb stick but it says it's the wrong fs type? I'm not sure what it's complaining about. the stick works fine on my other machine so I'm not sure what exactly I am missing.

>>60555938
What filesystem is it

>>60555956
ext4

>>60556008
kek
How are you trying to mount it.Post what you're using.
I highlt doubt you dont have ext4 support built in your kernel

>>60556018
I'm just doing sudo mount /dev/sdb /mnt

>I highlt doubt you dont have ext4 support built in your kernel

That's exactly why I'm confused, my man.

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can I install Linux on my Android?

>>60556130
Can you install Unix on your OSX?

>>60556078
Does it have multiple partitions?

>>60556174
the usb? no.

Friendly remind that Linux is just the kernel. Other kernels are:
HiStar http://www.scs.stanford.edu/histar/
and The Muen Separation Kernel https://muen.sk/

Operating Systems under GPL are:
FreeVMS http://www.freevms.net/
FreeDOS https://www.freedos.org/
Plan 9 https://github.com/brho/plan9
LUnix http://lng.sourceforge.net/
ReactOS https://reactos.org/
JNode http://www.jnode.org/
KolibriOS http://kolibrios.org/en/
ForthOS http://www.forthos.org/

Special mention to GNU/Hurd https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/

>>60556130
Afaik the T800 Terminator runs Linux so it should work with yours too.

>>60556190
try /dev/sdb1

>>60556213
oh, what the fuck that worked? I'm sorry. I didn't even think of that for some reason

>>60556234
You were trying to mount the entire block device instead of the partition.The block device was not formated so it threw the error

Why the fuck does redshift not fucking work? It keeps thinking it's day when it's night.

[redshift]
temp-day=4000
temp-night=2200
transition=0
location-provider=manual
adjustment-method=randr
[manual]
lat=4X
lon=-7X

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>>60556195
>LUnix

>>60556256
I just use redshift -l lat:long

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How do I get this to look better? The font just looks off to me

>>60556303
Use a better font

>>60556274
At this point I'm just going to Pajeet this and reverse day/night.

Whats a good reshift day/night setting? I want to try it and see if it's a meme or really cool.

Can someone point me to a tutorial on building a virtualized network for testing purposes. Basically, I want to emulate a router with multiple routers virtually connected to it and multiple clients virtually connected to each router, complete with a firewall, dmz, and the ability to virtualize anything else I feel like throwing in. I'm thinking something like qemu would be perfect for realistic emulation, but how would I go about virtually connecting each emulated device? I'm currently working on Arch but I can easily switch to something else if need be.

>>60556370
Hey cool, I'm on Arch too.

>>60556367
4200k/1200k
Night setting might be a bit too low though unless you're in a pitch black room, which I usually am when I run it since I try to go to bed early.

>>60556410
Thanks

>>60556383
Lol. Cool. Honestly though it's great for older machines, at least in my opinion. I get ~5 hours of heavy usage on my 11+ year old x60 tablet with the original battery.

>>60556370
Think I found what I was looking for. Seems it can be done in VirtualBox which sounds obvious but it's been a few years since I used it so and even then, I only ever virtualized individual machines so I didn't think of it until now. Here's the link if anyone's interested:
http://www.brianlinkletter.com/how-to-use-virtualbox-to-emulate-a-network/

That being said, if anyone has any links to doing this specifically with qemu please throw them my way.

pacman broke (surprise) and isn't checking the official repositories. How do I fix?

>>60556370
Din¡t use it myself but GNS3 is a network emulator https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gns3

>>60556639
install ubunut

>>60556703
too big

>>60556709
That's what she said.

>>60556709
arch is larger

>>60556645
Hell yes. I'll take a closer look but it sounds pretty sweet. It even supports qemu and VirtualBox. Thanks man.

>>60556756
If you stop by this thread again tell us how you did, I am interested

how to 4chan from the cli?

>>60556819
have a pass and use lynx or elinks, or try NetSurf which is a browser working on the framebuffer

Somebody should make a browser with vi keybindings that use NetSurf as a backend

Hey /fglt/

I've been using Xubuntu on an older laptop for the past few years and before that used Ubuntu for a while on an old desktop. I really don't know how to do much other than use the default browser and look up terminal commands since I don't have them memorized.

I'm obviously a complete noob at linux. The wiki's seem great for basic answers to specific questions, but where do I start getting gud with this stuff? I'd like to be able to make it my main OS and use Windows in a VM when needed but I just want to start from the very beginning and read up. Any suggestions?

>>60556819
w3m and external script that downloads the captcha, displays it, and sends it back

that in theory, plowshare (on github) does it like that

>>60556960
"Just use it" would be my suggestion. Everybody is shit at the start, and will need to look basically everything up.
You can learn all sorts of tips and tricks over time and you'll discover more stuff. Trying to learn everything at the start would just be overwhelming.

Another thing you can do is to install some "hard" distros (Arch, Gentoo, etc.). I'm not saying you have to use them, and doing them in a virtual machine would be completely fine. It's just that the actual process of installing them can teach you quite a bit about how the pieces of a GNU/Linux system fit together.

Trying to figure out Arch's intel pstates on my laptop. The only two options are performance and powersave. With powersave it uses a lot less battery, but always stays at 800mhz-1.2ghz unless it's compiling something. This results in my desktop being very laggy. The other option, performance, results in the CPU always being clocked at the highest boost clock (3.8ghz), which provides fluid performance but wastes power. How do I get some middle ground between these two?

>>60554623
flowblade is fucked because the mlt module

>>60555324
>backquotes inside a double quoted string

Nice fork bomb, Ahmed.

>>60557271
>I never wrote a single shell script.

>>60556303
Install the Noto font set, install infinality fontconfig

Anybody feels like trying a different kind of shell https://github.com/MichelValentin/PC-DCL

>>60556960
The Arch Wiki is pretty in depth about some stuff.

>>60557271
>for((i=0;;i++)){ }
Simple arithmetic for loop.
>bc -l<<<"a=20*s($i/10);scale=0;a/1+20")s
Calculates a simple sine wave using bc.
>tr '\!-~' 'P-~\!-O'<<<';FDE 2?@E96C 32D9 924<6C'
Rotates given characters 47 times and prints it.
>sleep .05
Is sleepy.

Where do you see a fork bomb?

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>>60553560
I know that this project is dead, but the installer always managed to work.
The installer now doesn't work anymore.

>>60557909
Arch Anywhere

>>60557909
https://arch-anywhere.org/

>>60557909
Lol, didn't the developer sperg out because someone critiqued him and then quit

>>60553653
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch
>It is the current testing distribution, now in full freeze.
I'm actually writing from a Debian 9 machine. Nothing wrong to report. It's stable now.

>>60557063
Stop trying to use just a WM and install a full fledged DE like KDE or Gnome.

>>60553691
If you want to do some basic editing and you're a noob, yes.
But if you're professional GIMP has some problems...

>>60556639
You're gonna have to give a few more details on how it broken and what it's telling you when you try to use it.

>>60553702
>G'MiC plugins.
What they do?

>>60554878
Some of us live in area where the likelihood of some niggers breaking in and stealing your shit is substantially more than 0%.

>>60557936
>>60557936
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_lhqg_p21k this guy made Architect ragequit, can't find the other video but this is also funny

>>60557979
it just doesn't find files. doing pacman -S wine just gives me a "target not found"

I dunno how more specific I can get.

>>60553838
CLI is useful if you're a programmer or an admin.
GUI if you're a typical user.

>>60553841
>thanks but my experiences with qbittorrent have been bad
What went wrong? I use it and nothing strange happen. No bugs, no glitches. Anything.

>>60558011
https://classicforum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=32218.0

>>60557936
Where? I'm curious.

>>60558034
That post is just stupid. Cli makes your life comfy, speeds up things, is more efficient and is fun - for any users.

>>60558011
This guy sounds like a total faggot.

>>60558064
read >>60558059
long story short:
>guy reports bug
>dev somhow doesnt like it
>people rage
>dev bans people
>dev takes distro down
>flamewar everywhere
>architect site up again
>project somehow dies anyway
or at least i didn't hear anything about architect since that happening

>>60558069
I agree. But typical users can't stand a CLI interface that wants more input than "RETURN" or "Yes"

>>60558026
Try

pacman -Syuu

>>60553838
You can discuss about X vs wayland, GNU vs Linux, bash vs zsh, etc but CLI vs GUI is just retarded. They are interfaces for different purposes. They are both good to have and some things are better to do on the commandline and some thing better with a graphical interface.

>>60558127
do not run this, chances are 50/50 that this breaks the system

What does /fglt/ think about systemd? People in the other thread make it seem that the developer doesn't know what he is doing. Is systemd ok to use?

Fresh install of Xubuntu Core, are there any optimisation steps I should take to make sure battery life is stable, the NVMe drive is operating properly, or just in general if there is anything I should be doing?

>>60558211
You could install powertop. It monitors power and offers some options for tweaking.

>>60558206
It's okay.

>>60558206
There's a reason why pretty much every distro uses it.

>>60558206
>>60558231
there are so many memes about systemd, newcomers must have a pretty hard time figuring out what's even going on

>>60557909
Archbang

>>60558261
Archbang,

what's up, bro?

>>60558127
You mean pacman -Syyu

>>60558206
Just use openrc

>>60558274
Is ^! an installer or a distro? Still trying to make things comfy, just spent ~3 hours trying to fucking configure POL/Wine, it's a real bitch

>>60558226

>powertop
Thank you friend!

>>60558280
yeah, thats what newcomers do everyday, installing init systems

>>60558280
didn't help

is fedora main OS material?

>>60558361
no

>>60558300
It's not as hard as you think

>>60558343
Did you uncomment your pacman mirrors?

>>60553560

Can I underclock my CPU on ubuntu, if I'm not doing anything too intensive I'd like to save some battery?

>>60558361
No reall benefits over debian.
>deb objectively better and more common than rpm
>default fedora SELinux config is supposedly a selling point, but SELinux is practically crippled because the default policy is incredibly weak so as to not break anything
>beta testing red hat's software (systemd, wayland, pulseaudio are all good software but fedora got them before they were ready)
>need RPMFusion to get any proprietary software or codecs

whats a good passwordmanager for linux?
keepassx, kwallet, seahorse, gnome keyring????
so many options

What are some Linux?

>>60558488
A herd.

Systemd-modules-load.service is failing every time I boot for some reason. Everything still works- what's wrong?

>>60558476
keepassx2

>>60558521
Install OpenRC

>>60558395
where? In pacman.conf?

>>60558206
>What does /fglt/ think about systemd?
Stop this meme. **Please.**

>>60558476
KeePassX is the best, great database format, free from .NET fuckery

>>60558521
>what's wrong
systemd

>>60558476
pass

>>60558476
GNU/Linux*

>>60558476
vim -x

>>60558476
brain.sh

>>60558466
Redpill me on Debian Testing vs Sid, what's better for daily use?

>>60558735
/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist

Is i3 the recommended window manager to start with?

How do I disable, or reduce the sound/rpm of my CPU fan? It's an intel/gigabyte motherboard. Despite setting the CPU fan curve to silent in the bios, the fan is quite loud and always on.

What's a free, non-much-botnet online storage for not a lot of not-very-sensitive stuff maybe with a linux client? I need somewhere to put some stuff until I don't fix my hdds.

>>60560241
>free
>non botnet
how are they supposed to make money anon? if it's free, you/your data is the product.
just use nextcloud to host it yourself
if you use any other host, enjoy having your data in the hands of the cia/nsa

>>60560304
I know. It's just some downloaded shit though

>>60559816
It's one of the easier tiling window managers, as you don't literally need to use a programming language for the config.
Floating window managers like openbox would be easier though.

>>60553560
green is

>>60560218
Low noise adaptor

which one is friendlier: manjaro or antergos?

>>60560218
>Despite setting the CPU fan curve to silent in the bios, the fan is quite loud and always on.
how you ever wondered if there was a reason why?

I'm interested in trying out nextcloud for a home server type setup. Between maria and postgres and Apache and nginx, which should I use? I want to use the easier one to configure, because I don't know much about networking and configuration of this stuff.

>>60560515
manjaro is a little easier because it's less likely to break after the installation because they delay packages
both are hot garbage though. If you really can't figure out how to install arch properly, there's nothing wrong with using arch anywhere

>>60560515
manjaro
>>60560620
manchildren dont know about arch installers

>>60560536
I use postgresql and apache2. very easy to use both

So my ultrabay hdd caddy will be in soon and I am thinking that I should put a small partition on it for Kali linux or some other distro as an "emergency/recovery" partition. My main installs will be located on the internal HD.

Is there a better option for a recovery distro?

i forgot the password to an extra account I added to my gnu+linux pc
how do I change its password? I know root's password.

>>60554162
1. install dash to dock
2. go to tweak tool and click on the gear icon to configure it
3. enable the "panel mode: extend to screen edge" option
4. go to appearance
5. set the dash color to black

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Trying to install Archbang on my NVME drive (UEFI)

There are a few issues.
Grub doesn't work out of the repos for NVME drives. It fails at understanding the NVME device nvme0n1 as an actual storage.
This sucks, but grub-git works.
However.
Installing grub-git is hell via USB livedisk. At least for archbang.
Trying to install grub-git fails at some arbitrary installation point because of how yaourt handles installation... I think?

I think it may be time to try installing Archbang from source entirely instead of a liveusb auto-configuration, since it didn't even come strapped with base-devel or coreutils.

This fuckin sucks, but I'll figure it out eventually.

Just ran pacman -Syu for the first time and got a kernel update, stuff was using the directory /lib/modules/linux-4.10.xx-ARCH or whatever is still pointing there, however that directory has changed to 4.11.xx so everything that was pointed there has broke (ufw, lightdm, etc.). How are you supposed to deal with that? Reinstalling those packages didn't work and I can't find any info about it.

>tfw fell for the arch meme

>>60560966
I have run syyu/syu many many times, short interval, long interval of non-updating.
Not once has pacman broken my kernel while I was using it.

I'd like to believe you've done something custom to your Arch, are lying, or blatantly false flagging

Screen shots of your issue?

>>60559098
none of them are commented I just have a united states one at the top just like how the arch wiki told me to do it IIRC

Any using KDE on Arch have rediculously large scrollbars using the Breeze themes in Firefox?

>>60558432
Yes.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CPU_frequency_scaling

>>60561019
I had the same issue on debian unstable
I don't think there's a solution

>>60560840
passwd foo

>>60561012
Try

sudo pacman-key --populate archlinux

>>60561019
Use some css hacking for the Web browser itself. If it's not Palemoon, I believe you can do it

>>60561051
it fiddled with a bunch of keys but it didn't fix anything with the repositories

>>60561085
Alright... give me the output of

pacman -Syyu

exactly.

>>60561004
All I've done is basically install lightdm, cinnamon and a few other official packages. I don't know what happened but after another reboot it doesn't even recognize my ethernet connection, all I have is a loopback interface. I can't really get screenshots but basically some log files were saying roughly 'failed to find directory /lib/modules/linux-4.10.xx' and ls lists linux-4.11.xx in there.

One example: modprobe: FATAL: Module i915 not found in directory /lib/modules/4.10.13-1-ARCH

Oh well. I'm not really losing anything so I'm most likely just gonna wipe my partition and reinstall.

>been using arch for a few years while at uni
>all fun and games
>don't get discouraged when i break my OS, still learning
>have a system that im confortable with
>graduate, time for serious work
>can't install work related software
>"your version of libfreetype is not supported"
>try something else
>"your version of ncurses is not supported"

I guess I have to use foss software that no one's ever heard of or use debian or some shit. Its sad because I'm kinda emotionally attached to arch, I've learned a lot from throwing myself in the deep end

:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core                     124.9 KiB   302K/s 00:00 [#################] 100%
 extra                   1683.1 KiB  1133K/s 00:01 [#################] 100%
 community                  3.8 MiB  2.36M/s 00:02 [#################] 100%
:: Starting full system upgrade...
 there is nothing to do

>>60561246
>>60561162

>>60554057
>without shitposting
No bur seriously. I like my i3 because my screen is tiny as fuck and its also very quick and you can make it look nice

>>60561195
You should reinstall, and maybe try a manual install (if you can follow guides and inference personal configuration for yourself)

I don't even know what hardware you have, either. Thinkpad? I think you've messed with graphics drivers indirectly, if anything - i915 is graphics... Mesa module, etc.

Try, next time, to generate an initramfs /mkinitcpio or something for debugging purposes

>>60561246
Alright, so, what was your issue again? Your packages time out when trying to install?

>>60561269
I love i3. I wish I could set up a way to make my entire work flow non-mouse-requiring. Keyboard entirely. My main issue is graphical Web browsing.
Resizing windows in i3 for me, I've set up scripts to calculate fractionals of screen space, I punch in the numbers as a fraction and it rescales the window to what I've put in. Sounds complex but it is simple and works well

>>60561328
use vimperator for firefox, its pretty great

>>60561334
Shall try it. Can you give me a brief rundown of its' functionality? I do use vim as my main workspace, so I may find it easy to ease in, yeah?

>>60561328
it literally does not look in the core repositories like for example when I do pacman -S wine it just says "error: target not found: wine" this is true for a lot of other packages I've tried to install.

>>60561370
Alright - gonna need your pacman.conf. Also, for good measure, throw a few more enabled mirrors on in etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist

Upload conf to paste.ee or .bin or something

>>60561363
it gives you vim controls for your browser and gives you a little statusline toolbar at the bottom where you can type commands. The "hints" tool is really good if you're too lazy to move your hand down to your mouse/trackpad, or if you don't have a keyboard clitoris. It highlights all links on the page and assigns it a number (or combination of letters), and typing that number is the same as clicking that link.

A lot of people who rice their firefox, by removing all the toolbars etc, use vimperator to navigate their browser through the statusline, so things like bookmarks, history, options menus etc. are all accessible through that. It works in same way as vim does with navigation.
>gt/c-n and gT/c-p next and previous tab
>hjkl to scroll
>c-d and c-u to move down and up the screen

And you can disable vimperator from interfering with browser and website functionality by pressing insert.

>>60561446
Holy shit, that's excellent. How did I never know about this? I can't wait to get home and try it out. Thanks friend!

>>60561424

alright senpai here you go


https://paste ee/p/NjzFW

test

>>60561550
Please don't do that.

>>60561289
I reverted the upgrade and everything's working again, I'm gonna see what happens if I just run -Syu again after a bit more research.

>try a manual install
Do you mean installing Arch manually? That's what I did, following the wiki, I didn't use any installers. Unless you meant something else.

Yeah, I'm not really sure what went wrong. The only graphics related thing I've done is installing the xf86-video-intel package. I feel like there's some step I've forgotten to take before a kernel upgrade but I didn't find anything on the wiki.

>>60561289
>>60561574
Also, someone on a forum said to compare uname with pacman Qi, uname was reporting 4.10 and pacman 4.11 (this was after the apparent upgrade with Syu), it seems I wasn't actually running the new kernel version? I don't know, I'm still a noob.

>>60561574
Nvidia

i started getting

ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2 "No such file or directory")

what do i do?
I tried to start mysql but im getting same error

>>60561594
What about it? I'm using Intel.

>>60561616
Forget my post.

>>60561622
Okay haha

>>60553584
Every damn thread

>>60561498
Uncomment the #[multilib]
Not sure why you commented that line
Each [database] pairs with the SigLevel or whatnot on the line(s) below
This may be what's breaking it. Sorry for late response, was clearing out a house at work

>>60561574
I'm glad you're taking the time to find wiki/archbbs info related to your problem, that's a good first step for figuring problems out with Arch
Either way, I'm not sure how you kerfuggled your kernel. Try reinstalling and documenting (in a separate machine or piece of paper) every command you do. Then traceback to when a problem could occur etc etc

>>60562131
OH MY GOD. Thank you! I didn't even notice that I commented that out. It must've been an accident when I was navigating it through vim. Thank you so much.

>>60562174
No problem, homered. Sometimes, as humans, we make human errors. And sometimes, we need other humans to point those errors out.
Glad I could help.

Anyone knows the way to fix this >>60562231

>>60562227
I meant to say hombre, but BlackBerry is a fuckin cunt

>>60561615
Create the socket link, silly. Look up how to use .sock, .service, I believe that's systems? Systemctl start blah.sock or whatnot

good thread

>>60562286
bad post

>>60562251
You should have created a user for mariadb/mysql(?) and set the database software to run through that user, then to give that file (chown)ership to the database user->service.

Right now, try to see what 'user' is running that service/software, then give access to that file for the user the software is running on. Seems like a fairly simple problem.

>>60562286
good boy
>>60562296
bad boy

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What's the decent version of firefox and chromium?
I'm thinking to ditch the package that the repo provide and stick to AppImage.

>>60562321
i did this

mysql_install_db --user=mysql --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql

>>60562347
For Firefox, I'd recommend Palemoon but git your own and add in new patches if you're literate enough for it.
If not, I'd say... iceweasyl, maybe?

Chromium just Chromium, or iridium if you want something 'special'.

>>60562400
You did that, but is there any further context? And more information to provide? I can't work with just that, man.

>>60553838
some tasks are faster in CLI if you EXACTLY know what do you want to do

>>60562421
I meant version wise.
Didn't mozilla decided to go full webkit, rendering several addons not functional?

>>60561238
debootstrap debian inside a directory, chroot in and run your program from there.

>>60562463
>I meant version wise.
52ESR for FF.

>>60562463
This is true
The earliest, before webkit, would be satisfactory. Perhaps there is someone maintaining the last non-webkit version as its' own git repo, or perhaps you could attempt it. I doubt you'd want to do it yourself, however, as that doesn't seem to be your current focus for... stuff.

My philosophy: if I want something, and it doesn't exist, I will create it for my own needs.

>>60562433
last nite everything worked fine, then it was some update, and today i started getting that socket error, i posted it somewhere above.
I deleted mariadb and installed it again and when i try to start/restart service i get error above.
That is all, only command i used is >>60562400
because it was listed on arch wiki.

Also /var/lib/mysql owner is my username, could that be problem?

>>60562515
Hmm. Might be the problem, if you were using an sql user to handle sql beforehand.
Try seeing about changing the user back to 'mysql' if that's the case

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Qemu, VirtualBox or XEN?
I just need to run a few applications that doesn't run well with WINE.
And which one will need the less dependencies to install/updates?
I want to run it on an old arch install that I haven't updated in a long time.

>>60562586
virtualbox provides binaries from their site that were compiled to work on RHEL so that should work fine.

>>60562131
I figured it out! Apparently the boot/EFI/I don't know what it's called partition needs to be mounted to /boot when updating the kernel. So I reverted, mounted it, updated and I'm all good now.

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>>60562532
ok, i think i found error :D

>>60553560
what is the significance of that pepper?

>>60553653
Im on Debian9, feels completely fine. Literally havent had a single issue since first install few months ago.

>>60562642
oh, ha. Welll, at least you got it now

>>60562586

Virtualbox is probably the easiest to use because of the GUI. I guess there are frontends for Xen and qemu as well, but I have not tried any of those.

If you plan to use Arch as the host OS, qemu is the simplest to get installed. Virtualbox requires an extra kernel module and Xen requires some fuckery to get the dom0 running.

>>60553560
Hey goyim, I have a few questions. I'm about to install a linux distro today. I was wondering if anyone here has used a tiling wm inside of a desktop environment like kde or lxde? Or if that's possible/feasible?

I used to use xmonad years ago, then I decided I wanted some of the conveniences of a DE like dragging and having a default taskbar with clickable buttons. So I installed openbox and just edited the keybindings to resemble xmonad. Even considered making some kind of autohotkey keybindings in windows to have the xmonad keybindings again, but realized I just don't do much gaymen anymore so it would probably be better to go back to lunix.

Is there a good way to go about this? I really liked having the different pages each with their own windows.

>>60562586
QEMU with aqemu frontend is easy as virtualbox, and much more powerful

>>60562701
is included on GIMP, and Stallman made backronym of GIMP which is "Green Is My Pepper"

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I can't launch tor browser. I have picril output and nothing happens. It worked fine when i was on xfce, then i switched to i3 and uninstalled xfce completely, and it stopped working.
Help me out famalams.

>>60562739
Not him but FINALLY I find a frontend to QEMU instead of doing everything the harder way. Thank you.

Please help I'm retarded, what happens when Debian 9 rolls out and I'm on Debian testing? Does Debian testing become Debian stable or will I still receive testing packages?

is it safe to empty folder /var/cache/pacman/pkg?
it is taking me 2 gigs

>>60562605
This?
>All distributions (built on EL5 and therefore do not require recent system libraries)
http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.1.22/VirtualBox-5.1.22-115126-Linux_amd64.run
Are these like AppImage files?
>>60562718
>If you plan to use Arch as the host OS, qemu is the simplest to get installed. Virtualbox requires an extra kernel module
I need the one with the less dependencies as I said in >>60562586

What extra kernel module? Is this safe?
>>60562739
>much more powerful
Does it allow passthrough?

>>60562875
what is inside?

>>60562875

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_maintenance

>>60562902
like this

libgrss-0.7.0+16+g971c421-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libgsf-1.14.41+3+gc7b4b53-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libgtop-2.36.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libgudev-231+1+g0841288-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libgusb-0.2.9-3-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libgweather-3.24.0+12+g4684af7-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libgxps-0.2.5+1+g764ae1e-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libibus-1.5.16-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libinput-1.7.2-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libldap-2.4.44-4-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
liblrdf-0.5.0-3-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libmariadbclient-10.1.23-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libmbim-1.14.0-4-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libmediaart-1.9.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libmediainfo-0.7.95-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libmicrohttpd-0.9.54-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libmm-glib-1.6.6-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libmspub-0.1.2-7-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libmtp-1.1.13-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libmwaw-0.3.11-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libnautilus-extension-3.24.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libnewt-0.52.20-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libnghttp2-1.22.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libnice-0.1.14-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libnm-1.8.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libnm-glib-1.8.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
liboauth-1.0.3+9+g11e9461-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libopenshot-0.1.6-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libopenshot-audio-0.1.4-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libpciaccess-0.13.5-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
libphonenumber-8.4.1-3-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz

>>60562907
Click the url I linked you. Do pacman commands to clear it. Don't rm it manually like a moron - use the tool that handles it the correct way. What I linked shows you exactly how to do what you want.

Next time,

man pacman

. Use your head, friend.

>>60562907
completely safe to delete. pacman will redownload any of those should you need to reinstall a package.

Can someone explain to me the bell pepper, and why it affiliates with Richard Stallman.

>>60562907
run Pacman -Sc
This will remove old cached NOT INSTALLED packages.
Ideally you should run this before each -Syu.

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>>60562981

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>>60562958
>>60562997



i did this, but all files are still here

>>60563014
Did you run -Scc

>>60563014
Then these are installed packages, you shouldn't remove them in case the next update fuck your system and you'd need it to downgrade.

>>60563040
done now
>>60563060
i never had problem with update since i installed this system.
It is almost 2 years and i update every day

>>60562890
>What extra kernel module? Is this safe?
It's in the official repos, so it's not a big issue. But you will need to either configure it to be loaded automatically on boot, or load it manually before running virtualbox.

As for dependencies I think qemu is the best option. Looks like you need to get the Xen stuff from AUR, so you have to deal with a bunch of build deps in addition to the normal ones.

virtualbox deps:

$ pacman -Sii virtualbox virtualbox-host-modules-arch | grep "Depends On"
Depends On      : glibc  openssl  curl  gcc-libs  libpng  python2  sdl  libvpx  libxml2  procps-ng  shared-mime-info  zlib  libxcursor  libxinerama  libx11  libxext  libxmu  libxt  qt5-base  qt5-x11extras  VIRTUALBOX-HOST-MODULES
Depends On      : linux>=4.11  linux<4.12

qemu deps:

$ pacman -Sii qemu | grep "Depends On"
Depends On      : virglrenderer  sdl2  vte3  brltty  seabios  gnutls  libpng  libaio  numactl  jemalloc  xfsprogs  libnfs  lzo  snappy  curl  vde2  libcap-ng  spice  usbredir

>>60562788
since its tbb you should just reinstall and see if that works, but you could look for running processes or enable logging in tbb's torrc try starting it again and looking at that

>>60553841
bump

>>60558046
stalling on torrents that i know shouldn't and occasional freezing are what happen to me

>>60563111
Thanks.
qemu+virtman or aqemu seems the logical choice.
Does pacman notify if an installed dependencies will be upgraded when installing a new package?

>>60556256
>lat=4X
>lon=-7X
that's why

>>60556303
https://github.com/bohoomil/config-ultimate/issues/191#issuecomment-289799221

>>60561019
use adwata/-dark desu can confirm it werks
btw scrollbars in ubuntu gnome are 2x width

>>60563284
if you install with -S no dep will be upgraded
if you install with -Syuu yes

>>60563284

pacman -S

doesn't work like that. It will try to install the outdated deps. This usually fails because the outdated packages are no longer available from the mirrors. The only solution is to do a full system upgrade i.e. fetch up to date list of packages and upgrade everything (using pacman -Syu). It is technically possible to update only the package lists (pacman -Sy) and then install the stuff you want, but this will probably lead to either

a) pacman succeeds, but now you have outdated programs using updated (and incompatible) dependencies, leading to a broken system
b) pacman fails because it can't satisy dependencies (because you have a package with a dependency that can not be newer than a specific version, etc.)

>>60562872
If your sources.list says "testing", you will stay on whatever is testing at any given moment. If it says the name of a release, you will follow that release as it changes from testing to stable, or from stable to oldstable.

If it contains a mix of both, make up your mind and fix that before release.

>>60563443
>but now you have outdated programs using updated (and incompatible) dependencies
You mean the other way around.
Outdated dependencies with new program.
>Broken system
How bad will this be?

>>60562890
>Does it allow passthrough?
yes

>>60563008
10/10, gets me everytime

>>60563516
Through virtman or aqemu?

>>60563008

Thx

>>60563573
qemu itself, so go for aqemu if that is what you want

>>60563507
>You mean the other way around.
>Outdated dependencies with new program.

No I meant outdated programs with updated dependencies. The outdated programs will be the stuff you had installed from before that shares common dependencies with the new packages you are installing. The common dependency and your new program will be installed and up to date, but the old programs will remain untouched and (probably) be broken.

>How bad will this be?
Depending on how outdated your system is (and how lucky you are) it could be practically unusable. It will still be possible to salvage by booting a live USB, but it might take some effort to get pacman to unscramble the mess.

>>60563626
I'll try libvirt first since it seems to use less dependencies and resources.
>>60563636
I think I've got the same ISO I used to install arch around.
Will booting a live USB of that and doing the testing to see if it breaks something a good idea?

I've been using debian for that last few years, and forgot everything about arch.

>>60563507
just do -Syuu pkg instead of -S or -Syu and you'd be fine

>>60563713
You might as well give it a try, but if you intend to test the

$ pacman -Sy
$ pacman -S pkg

approach you have to keep in mind that you might not see how bad the breakage is until you restart (which obviously you can't do with a live USB). As for doing a full upgrade I think you will just run out of space on the tmpfs and the upgrade will fail because of that.

>>60553841
Damn Small Linux, Puppy Linux, and Xubuntu come to mind.

>>60563726
>Syuu

Pass this option twice to enable package downgrades; in this case,
           pacman will select sync packages whose versions do not match with
           the local versions. This can be useful when the user switches from
           a testing repository to a stable one.

I'm lost, What does it mean exactly?
I thought arch is inherently unstable

>>60553891
What if you just used a windows manager?

>>60563830
>which obviously you can't do with a live USB
I don't think there's a way to simulate restarting?
What about switching to different TTY?
The other option would be to install the ISO to a USB flash drive and test it from there.

What's the chances that I'll break something from updating arch install after such a long time?

>>60563900
>What about switching to different TTY?
I don't think that has any more effect than logging out and back in, so it probably won't help much.

>The other option would be to install the ISO to a USB flash drive and test it from there.
The problem is that the ISO is configured so that it can be used from a CD, so even if you put it on a USB drive the changes you make to the filesystem are not persistent (all changes are stored in a temporary filesystem in ram). It's probably possible to change this if you really want to, but I can't help you with that.

>What's the chances that I'll break something from updating arch install after such a long time?
There have been a few manual interventions. I would recommend looking at the newsfeed on archlinux.org, going back to when the system was last updated.

>>60564103
>The problem is that the ISO is configured so that it can be used from a CD, so even if you put it on a USB drive the changes you make to the filesystem are not persistent (all changes are stored in a temporary filesystem in ram). It's probably possible to change this if you really want to, but I can't help you with that.
Not burn it and create a live USB of it.
I mean as install the ISO to USB flash drive, the same way you would do it to HDD.
>the system was last updated
That was about a year ago.

>>60564191
>I mean as install the ISO to USB flash drive, the same way you would do it to HDD.
If you are willing to do that, why not just reinstall the whole thing? If you want to keep your files you could just delete everything but /home instead of formatting.

>>60564313
>keep your files
That and because I need older version of certain packages.
I'm starting to think maybe I should use qubes Live USB.

Is sourcemage just a meme? I've been hearing it thrown around a lot lately and am wondering if it's actually worth trying.

Goatfinger is shit.

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>>60564431

>>60564404
>I need older version of certain packages.
Have you checked if you can find what you need in AUR? Keeping outdated packages around on a rolling release distro is bound to break sooner or later.

I should maybe also point out that installing from the Arch ISO means downloading up to date packages. There is no way to do an "offline" install directly from the installation media as far as I know, so you would not be able to make a "fresh" outdated install to test with unfortunately. The only real solution I can think of for your problem would be to do a full backup of the system and then just try to update/install qemu.

>>60564431
not a meme, but you must have a little experience, and although is a bit more easy than gentoo their wiki is not that good

>>60564598
>There is no way to do an "offline" install directly from the installation media
Actually this is what I can do.
I can copy the PKG from the current installation from /var/cache/pacman/pkg

>>60564404
>>60564598
take a look at Arch's way back machine.

GNU Readline, so underestimated https://opensource.com/article/17/3/fun-vi-mode-your-shell

>>60553616
Obviously the circle thing, but the other guy is definitely retarded

>>60564658
BSD libedit is better

>>60564656
How would that help?
The last time I checked you can't have different versions of the same package.

>>60564670
>>/out/

>>60553560
Should i do something before installing linux on memepad x200 ?

>>60564688
>muh GNU

Need new thread

>>60564717
Negro, nothing runs on BSD.

>>60564739
Pajeet not everything needs to be excessive bloat licensed under the GPL

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>>60564760
>implying

>>60553604
>>60553616
truly cringe material

>>60553616
>krita
lmao

>>60563847
>arch is inherently unstable
no? binaries go thou the testing repo which not enabled by default
>Syuu
yes Syuu

>>60560921
use syslinux

>>60563847
you can even alias u='sudo pacman -Syuu'

>>60561370
Are you usingopenrc? You need to uncomment the 32 bit mirrors in pacman.conf

New thread when?

New thread
>>60565127
>>60565127
>>60565127

How do I get into ricing my desktop?
I'm still fairly new to Linux and don't know anything about customization.
I'm using stock XFCE at the moment and want to make it not look like garbage.
Should I just start with changing themes and/or making panels?
Any programs I should install for animations or something?
Are there any guides I should look up?

>install kubuntu
>OS doesn't recognize my keyboard unless I plug it in and out and pray it works this time

this is why I'm still using Windows 10.

>>60565140
Stop buying special gaymer keyboards. I have a regular USB keyboard that costed $20 from walmart and it always works.

>>60565231

That's a fucking stupid answer, I'm not going to buy a new keyboard just because the OS doesn't support a fucking USB KEYBOARD. I'll just continue using windows, fuck your free shit

>>60565279
>The gaymer keyboard manufactures didn't feel like writing drivers or proper drivers for GNU/Linux
>This is clearly GNU/Linux's fault.

>>60565140
I don't believe you.

Does anybody have any experience with linux as a phone OS? Any recommendations?