>get first job >it's java

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>don't get job
>shitpost on /g/ all day

>>60548064
i was on the same boat a few months ago.

I just want one year of exp. 4 months to go!

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>>60548095
>get admin job
>shitpost on /g/ all day

>>60548064
Maybe you shouldn't have gone to a Java mill school, pajeet

>>60548064
be fucking happy that it's not php or javascript

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>get iOS Dev job
>code is clusterfuck C++ wrapped in Objective-C classes

>>60548140
modern javascript is nicer than java.

>get part time job besides college preparing uses cases for some software project
>can use any language I want as long as I ship

>>60548140
This. It could be so much worse.
Noone likes working in Java but at least nearly everyone can. Just be sure to follow Java programming paradigm, syntax, and customs or else you'll make it harder for yourself.
Don't be the asshole who makes the work difficult for the entirety of the team because you're spergy about the language.
If you want to complain about it, be sure to offer working alternatives and solutions.
Good luck and godspeed.

>>60548177
lol no

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>get first job
>it's VB.NET and excel macros

>>60548064
If it were a fun, educational, and stimulating task, it wouldn't be called "work"; and they'd expect you to do it for free.

>>60548303
sometimes reading a job description and paying attention at your interview makes sense. just sayin

>>60548381
thats dumb. There is lots of work out there that is fun, educational and stimulating. You even get paid for a lot of em

>>60548177
No.

>>60548387
Sometimes this doesn't help. My group mate was hired as junior embedded developer and had to modify company's website for a year.

>>60548064
You just don't know how lucky you are. I was promised android client programming at my first job and ended in a php hell

>>60548064
What if your first job was carrying bricks all day for $1 an hour? Would that maky you happier?

>>60548468
How many of them are entry-level jobs?

I hope my janitor application works out so I can quit my shitty webdev job.

Java or C++ is ideal for real, actual software engineering. Try getting fucked into a C# javascript shithole

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>get a job
>WordPress all day long

>>60548956
> Try getting fucked into a C#

Idk WPF is pretty comfy

>>60548956
Java and C# are usually used to build the same type of software. What I think you mean is C/C++/Rust/Go are ideal for actual software engineering.

>>60548163
Try this:

React Native application for UI with Golang used for cross-platform, high performance business logic wrapped with Java/ObjC classes

>>60549186
The Go code was created before the idea of creating a mobile app began.

>>60549186
> React
stopped reading right there

>>60548064
At least it's not coldfusion. Yes it still exists.

Keep working cuck, I have NEETbux to collect. You have to be delusional to want to work when robots are taking all the jobs and everyone is on universal basic income.

>>60548064
Could've been worse. Could've been a JS faghouse where all your colleagues have degrees in History and Women's Studies but got hired because they did a 2 month bootcamp.

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>>60548133
>get system engineer job
>shitpost on /g/ all day

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>>60548064
>get job
>the experience it gives utterly useless outside their small walled garden since their fork is closed because mit license and just few cuck use it

>>60549832
>>60549893
t. Proud cucks

>tfw working with a fullblown javascript stack
it's not bad but I wish the work was more challenging, literally nothing that comes close to real software engineering

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>get first job
>its making burgers and cleaning fry hoppers and dishes for 6.50 an hour

>>60548133
>>60549832
How do I do this?

>First job
>It's app development
>Hate smartphones
>Hate design
>Hate this pajeet tier data plumbing and object configuring which takes up 99% of my time

>>60548064
>get job
> Non PHP,Visual Basic 6
Feel goods man

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>>60548064
>get first job
>x86 assembly

>>60548064
>Get first job
>It's Unity3D

I mean, it has no future at all but it pays decent for now and it's fun?
What do /g/?

>>60550006
You've got half of it down

>>60550612
Get in an industry not involved with childrens' toys?

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>don't have job
>made 1 iPhone app that blew up
>$50,000 a day off advertisements

feelsgoodman

>>60550649
like what, anon?

>>60550672
You forgot to memetext the part where you woke up from your wet dream.

>>60550639
underrated post

>>60550389
how?

>>60548064
>get first job
>it's java
>full stack and do your own dev ops
>develop in house shit instead of being an outsourced codemonkey for third parties
>trendhop new technologies (java 8 (soon to be 9), spring et al., client side framework of the week), so it's relevant and fun as opposed to legacy javaee maintanance or something
>even as a junior you have a saying and people listen to you
I'm not even mad.

is it too late to apply for an internship right? didn't do much earlier in the year and had to cram to get my finals done well. just now getting the free time to look into it, will try to get some shit done, maybe go to meetups too

>>60550006
Just apply for any small company that needs a sysadmin. Especially if it's a company outside of IT, they won't know jackshit about it and can't really tell if you're good at it or not.


Worked for me. I work 3 days a week and I make around 4000 us dollars before taxes. All I do is shitpost on /g/ and /int/.

>>60550746
Impossible.

>>60549830
>not being a Chad where you program in JavaScript, fuck all them bitches on the side, and cuck all the beta gnumales working with you

>>60551280
noice

Where the fuck do I find c or c++ jobs there's only "app" bullshit around me and javascript nu-male shit

How effective are online job listings for getting a job

>>60548177
JavaScript is less verbose than Java.
That's about it.

>>60551821
Hello and congratulations! The day a programmer learns that C and C++ are memes is a very very special day for them. Enjoy a celebratory drink and start learning a real language tomorrow.

>>60553071
>a real language
Like what, anon?

>>60553112
java
python
c#

>>60553123
I'm serious, anon

This is me right now. Got my first job. Have to learn how to use an external library to inject dependencies now.. fml

>get devops job
>"so happy we found you anon, systems background and programming! We're going to automate all the things and change the world!"
>literally spend all my time trying to teach people who have never programmed anything how to write Python, Ruby, and puppet.

>>60553200
Lel

We had a data scientist who got stuck with that. I was a new BI guy, learned all my Python from him, turned out I really enjoyed it.

Then he left and I became the Python automation/teaching bitch

Then I left and now they're fucked, lol

>Best, highest paying companies in the area all are Java/Javascript based
fuck
maybe i'll luck out and work at the networking company here that primarily uses Ruby

>>60549186
>Golang
>wrapped with Java
For what fucking purpose

>start job in 2015
>coldfusion

>>60548177
Javascript is and always will be terrible

>>60553292
Having go do multithreading work and hand it back to the java to do everything else sounds better than doing everything in go.

>>60553112
Java

>>60553262
>I was a new BI guy
>I really enjoyed it
did you top or bottom?

>I became the [...] bitch
nvm

>tfw only jobs are java, webdev, or the rare C++
i'm just a mere pleb who needs enough chump change to survive

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>>60548064
>get first job
>its assembly for a dead 8-bit architecture

It could be worse my dude.

>>60553620
Is that seriously all there is?
Everyone here's acting like Java's basically the only choice for someone who loathes webdev stuff, especially front-end design

>>60553732
Yes, that's all there is. Any other language you're just going to be using to write scripts that do the shit in between the java.

System administrations is being merged into webdev as a general "tech" position. It's either PHP/JS/Docker or you're ass deep in Java.

I'm just going to try to get donations on my projects. Fuck that.

>>60548064
I did java for a couple of years. Honestly, it didn't pay especially well, but I was relaxed because everybody around me was old and didn't give a shit about the job so they worked their 9-5 and got the fuck out and never worked from home and never answered emails or phone calls after hours. I've worked a lot of overtime in the jobs I've had since, but I also get paid almost twice the money so... tough call.

>tfw michigan with CS degree
>tfw only jobs i can find locally are database cancer

we need more pajeets to fill these jobs man

>>60553622
Been doing that for the last 8 years. Love my job and absolutely nobody else wants it so I never worry about replacement. Pay is mediocre but the work load is chill af until something awful happens.

>>60553777
>sys admin being merged into webdev
nigger what? I've done both of these things and there's virtually nothing in common on the day to day

Admin all the way though, fuck web development unless you can work from home. Goddamn web shop offices are a nightmare of cancerous people and ideas.

>>60553622
That sounds fun as fuck.

>>60550690
No, he forgot the memetext where he was guilty that teenagers were too in love with it so he shut down the app about a bird flapping.

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>>60549169
>rust or go ideal for actual software engineering

Thanks m8, needed a good laugh

>Build a basic web app using D3 and shit.
>It references a single json file bc just prototype. >Real implementation to be done with actual DB.
>Present it
>Manager fag wants it deployed as is. No fucking back end db.
>Wants me to just give them an excel file and a fucking script to update the json
>Wants me to suggest the webserver admin manually replace the fucking json file when need update.

What the actual fuck?

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>get first job
>it is iOS development

>get second job
>it is VBA

JUST END IT

>>60550676

VBA
SQL

>>60553112

VBA
SQL

It's used more with major businesses such as financial/accounting firms, banks, Google, Apple, etc.

> get first internship
> legacy systems in foxpro

I'm sure it'll carry in my career

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>New computer science graduate
>Just started looking for job
>Browse this thread
So basically everything I learned but Java and SQL is trash?

Java is good you faggot. At least you aren't a JS tier webdev "programmer". Brainlets here hate Java because they can't understand it, and why people use it. Name a language that's equally portable, across architecture and OS.

>be me
>graduate with cs degree at top tier school
>get good job
>show up, onboarding takes entire day
>finally get to actual job
>have to install Eclipse on my machine
>ok
>"anon you need to install Maven and Subclipse"
>don't know what the fuck they are but install them anyway
>"Oh, we use SVN too."
>okay..
>Nothing compiles ofc, didn't know what the fuck Maven was
>No one knows how to help me because they all installed it 5 yrs ago
>Spend entire week trying to get Maven to work
>Some guy comes back
>"Oh, anon, you have to modify the Maven file to include your dependencies"
>???
>"Oh, anon, you also have to install our in house software"

Fuck sakes.

>>60554499
Kek this was my internship.

>>60554522
check 'em

Did you actually get anything done or? Haven't done anything yet other than look at source code.

>>60554499
>get good job
What was it anon?

>>60554551
Software Developer, what else would it be anon?

>>60548064
It's fine. Use the JVM to springboard into Scala, which has at least some some market and is a way more pleasant and interesting language.

Kotlin is also cool, but has even less of a market.

>>60554491
Java is good. Modern JS is too. I don't get why front end is considered easy or fake programming by some, GLSL and WebGL are as "real" as it gets

>>60554583
WebGL and WebAssembly are indications that JS / the browser might actually replace the JVM as king of architecture abstraction in industry, IMO.

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>>60554499
>graduate with cs degree at top tier school

>>60554545
Kinda, was a pain in the ass trying to get it all set up though.
>tfw commited root password to repo

>>60548956
They both pay the same so pick the easiest one.

>>60554631
Guarantee you it's better than your shitty community college el pepe

>>60554632
I see. Get offered a job?

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>>60554674
i-i'm gonna get certification instead

>>60554491
>portable
>tied to JVM
You still have to install the right JVM version on any target environment. That's like saying python is portable because there is python interpreters for all architectures/OS.

Any language that compiles to a binary across platforms is more portable than Java. In fact, languages like Go that abstract OS specifics and compile faster than Java (lol) are better and more portable. Java is just fucking sad

>first job is c++
>everything is written like c with classes
>inheritance, getters and setters everywhere
>db code is an sql slaughter house with inheritance
>customers use embedded devices so nothing can ever change
>clean up tens of thousands of lines of code
>get "promoted" to a project manager minus pay & power
>I have no mouth and I must scream

>>60554631
>>60554729
dumb frogposter

>>60554781
>You still have to install the right JVM version on any target environment.
the latest version*

>That's like saying python is portable because there is python interpreters for all architectures/OS.
are we talking python 2 or python 3? :^)

>>60548064
>get data entry job
>automate everything
>tell no one
I do maybe like an hour of work every day and get paid for 8.

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>>60548064
>Get first job as programmer
>Waste away all day doing shit, uninspiring work
>Get an hour, if any at the end of the day to enjoy myself
>Only option is AirForce now
Why is being a wagecuck the American dream?

>>60554909
good

>>60553861

Just be aware that some day the company may close the division, and the only skills you will have is developing for some dead 8 bit arch in assembly. Might be tough to find a job.

>>60551821
Look up Farelogix Junior Developer on LinkedIn.

>>60555000
nice doubletrips
Go find a better job, anon

>>60551821
stay away from technology related jobs and instead look for jobs in other industries that happen to need a software engineer i.e. finance, medical

>>60553622

global  _start

        section .text
_start:
        ; write(1, message, 13)
        mov     rax, 1                  ; system call 1 is write
        mov     rdi, 1                  ; file handle 1 is stdout
        mov     rsi, message            ; address of string to output
        mov     rdx, 13                 ; number of bytes
        syscall                         ; invoke operating system to do the write

        ; exit(0)
        mov     eax, 60                 ; system call 60 is exit
        xor     rdi, rdi                ; exit code 0
        syscall                         ; invoke operating system to exit
message:
        db      "Hello, World", 10      ; note the newline at the end

>>60555079
I hope, parents are moving to NJ since my dad got offered he'll of a better job, will hitch it with them if I can get a fresh start over there.

>>60554674
>Get offered a job?
Nope but I got a better job.

>>60555122
except x86 isn't dead, or 8-bit.

at least you got dubs

>>60555122
Did you know that Rollercoaster Tycoon was written entirely (99%) in x86... by one guy?

>>60554499
What school?

>sysadmin
>irc all day

it's pretty shitty desu.

>>60555169
no it was not

it was written in some shitty M$ Macro language that is basically fucking C.

>>60548133
>get AI & Crypto research job
>Shitpost on /g/ all day

>>60551821
cybersec, kernel dev, backend development.

think of products you know of that are written in C/C++ and look up their companies. being familar with the technology before your interview will get you big points.

>>60554781
>Any language that compiles to a binary across platforms is more portable than Java

are you mentally retarded or something?

>>60556238
your argument essentially is that since they used libraries, it wasn't the same language?

>>60556323
no?

he literally did not write it in x86 asm

he used a fucking "x86 asm" MACRO language with a lot of the same shit you can expect to find in C

>>60552775
Indeed is 100% worth your time. It's how I got my first job right out of school.

>First job
>maintain some old cobol system from the 60s that handles everything company wide on a mainframe
>2017
Fite me

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>>60554356
can be done with a script easily desu

>>60554788
>get "promoted" to a project manager
I'm so sorry

>>60551545
What do you need for sys admin

>>60558054
Masters in Computer Science.

>>60556295
Are you? Cross compilation and distribution of binaries is far easier to do than patching and maintaining a JVM, especially if the host is running multiple applications.

>>60554897
You're assuming the latest version is backwards compatible with whatever dumb shit pajeets have done with their Java code

>>60548177
t. 2000 line webpack config file.

>>60554395
>Google, Apple using VBA and SQL

lamo you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Google and Apple have a no windows policy, and both these technologies both require it. Banks usually run on old COBOL stacks. The only people who use SQL and VBA are old business that don't know what they're doing. Any other database is better than SQL, even mySQL.

>>60559061
To be fair, SQL server is rather popular in enterprise. Not many places hiring VBA devs though

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>Don't get a first job, despite good grades and two internships

get job
it's GWT in java
oh nonono sweet javascript was better

>>60548133
>actually got admin job
>shitposting on /g/ all day
can confirm, actually

Does everybody start working only after graduating? I just started to work as Junior Java Dev and I'm 19, freshman at college. I thought it was a common in IT, but it looks like it's not.

>>60558054
Literally nothing.

My supervisor called me the other day whining about how VPN wasn't working. I logged on to the server, did a "service openvpn restart" and then went back to shitposting on /g/
Problem solved. If this wasn't a part-time job that I'm doing to finance my college degree I would probably kill myself.

Ive done Business Intelligence foe the past two years, but I much prefer programming

Is 26 too old to start down that route? I don't want to end up as a Junior Dev when I'm 30 wondering why the fuck I did that

>>60548197
>Noone likes working in Java
I love Java. nothing wrong with the language

>>60559442
dont fall for the Pajeet meme

Get into business informatics and you get to tell these nerds what to do

>>60559497
You clearly have supremely shit taste. Go real a real language.

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>get job
>be intimidated by all the senior devs
>when i walk around the office they sometimes pinch my butt
>during lunch break people wolfwhistle at me
I d-don't think i c-can handle this...

>>60560041
S Y D N E Y
Y
D
N
E
Y

>>60555117
I think that this is quality advice homestly. You'll just be the "IT guy" that sets up a local network and maintains it. You'll also probably make more

>>60548064
>get first job
>stress testing and debuging prototype IBM data storage systems

>>60549169
>Rust
>ideal for actual software engineering.

You mistyped "social".

>>60551280
>Fail engineering sciences
>Do 4,5 month intensive course
>Now have cozy job that pays alright
>Java EE integration patterns using camel, spring etc
>imokaywiththis.png

>>60560041

are you a boy?

>>60554788
>getters and setters
I don't do much OOP, what's wrong with this?

>>60549832
This.

>>60554909
nice anon

>>60548177

what does "modern" javascript look like?

is there any hope in finding a good interesting job in software engineering without a cs degree?

>>60550746
drivers

>>60553861
>Pay is mediocre
If no one wants your job, why don't you ask for a raise?

>>60560244
They are generally used to sidestep information hiding and break encapsulation in a way that is no more useful than grabbing a member directly. Occasionally, they are useful but it is around one time out of several hundred examples.

>>60560768
Be very autistic but not socially retarded.

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>first job straight out of university
>web developer
>decent pay for my age
>people are nice and company is nice

>>60559268
Did you actually have any admin experience before applying?

>>60550639
Underrated post.

>>60555122
shouldn't

mov    eax, 60

be

mov   rax, 60

?

>>60548140
/thread

Also, throw Perl and Python in the mix. Basically, almost all P-Languages except some forms of Pascal and Pike are garbage.

>>60548177
>t. electron "dev"

>>60548468
>fun, educational and stimulating
prostitution isn't for everyone, anon.

>>60548064
Just write everything in Kotlin and no one will notice. It integrates 100% with other java code. You could have one Kotlin file in a 1000 file java project and it wouldn't break anything.

>>60563602

Kotlin might ditch the boilerplate but it has fucking ugly syntax.

>>60560244
It's just literally typing all day.
For example, instead of writing this:

foo.i++;

You have to write this:

foo.set_i(foo.get_i + 1);

For little to no gain, the code become more unreadable and more effort to type.

The whole idea of encapsulating change is bullshit anyways, because if a complex operation is suddenly added to a getter or setter function, and that snippet of code is in a loop, the performance goes to shit and then it's difficult to find the reason why.

>>60564224
You're probably in high enough demand that you can do whatever you want. But thanks for taking the cuck jobs so I don't have to. Keep it up!

>>60565086
>>60564224
Wrong thread ignore that post sorry

>>60556997
same here breh

>>60548177
I agree with you. People here like to pretend that only what *they* do is "real dev" whatever the fuck that means.

Java is fine as long as you avoid shit like Spring and JavaEE. Most of the relatively complete web frameworks are absolute garbage though so if you just want to build a website I strongly suggest using something else.

Dropwizard is alright if you just want to make a simple API.

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I have a business degree, but I don't like people-facing stuff too much.

I like programing, I have great python and some C.

What job do I do to earn the most money possible?

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>Get first long-term job
>Make WYSIWYG drag-n-drop cloud applications for SMEs that are too poor for ready-made software but still want something custom-made.
>Cloud app maker is a service provided by a Pajeet company that tries too hard to be a competitor to Google.
>Have to use convoluted systems that are very restrictive and/or requires me to write custom Deluge code, an overly-simple language loosely based on ECMAscript which has the most mind-boggling quirks and the least accurate compilation errors I've ever experienced.
>Code needs to be verified from a server in order for it to be saved, which takes between 1 to 10 seconds sometimes in order to see if I get an error or not, and if so, the code will not be saved.
>Have to painstakingly handle requests made by clients who are impatient af because my employers filled up contracts 2 years before any development was started.
>Have to deal with pressure, a terrible custom language, trial-and-error development, a lack of sleep to meet schedules and my addiction to vidya in order to keep at it.
>mfw as i'm writing this at work

I fucking hate Zoho Creator so goddamn much. Can't wait to get my 2 years work experience so I can start doing real backend coding.

>>60566538
>my 2 years work experience so I can start doing real backend coding.
Is this a thing?

>>60554491
C

Hell, C is even MORE portable than Java.

>>60548064
Write everything in Kotlin. It runs on the JVM, so it's compatible.

>>60553151
i mean, if you want a job....

>>60562043
> 200mb hello world LOL

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>finally get dev job
>overjoyed
>start work
>80% of my time is spent in meetings

I got to code 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes after lunch today. The rest spent in meetings.

What the fuck, why do managers do this?

>>60567351
Cohesion and synergy

>>60567931

>synergy

froggoingreeee.png

>first job
>"tester"
>no computer for almost 3 weeks
>only work is modifying JCLs sometimes
>shitpost for 90% of my work hours

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>>60558198

LMAO I suppose you could, anyone in CS probably knows everything about IT or can learn. I'm doing some IT stuff for a small company even though im a Computer engineer, boss is just like ayy fix some of shit to the best of ur ability

>>60561905
doesn't really matter since preceding instructions don't put anything in the higher 32-bits of rax.

>>60548095
>shitposting on g all day
>never get job
>live off government
>trump takes away safety net
>babies first real life.
>Walmart

>>60559442
Just wondering, where are you from ? most of the 'Business Intelligence' guys I've met are thirdworlders.
Seems like the jobs don't pay well neither scale all that well

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>>60548064
How do I get the easy java gig?

>>60571036
Lie on your rsume.

>>60569912
>LMAO I suppose you could, anyone in CS probably knows everything about IT or can learn.

IT is a shit-show, especially in mid-size companies.

You need to be an Exchange admin - and good god is email a pain in the ass. Tweaking spam filters, dealing with DKIM/SPF issues because CEO randomly signed up for a mass-mailer that is getting marked as spam everywhere. Outlook works but Out Of Office does not? Seven people out of 200 keep getting prompted for their credentials and it keeps reverting from NTLM to Basic authentication for some reason? Oh look, the latest Exchange update fucked up OWA. Okay, OWA works but now search is broken. Oh look, the database is corrupt. FUCK EXCHANGE.

Also, be a good boy and go figure out how the hell to fix your out-of-support EMC SAN. You need to find some internal EMC documentation on sketchy sites and determine how the hell you back-door login to fix a bad storage processor. Why is adding hotspares so hard?

While you're at it, our auditors are in and are wondering what your business continuity plan is coming - you know, the zero-allocated-budget project where you need to be able to continue operating if an asteroid strikes the datacenter. And you better have documented every step, because they want to see proof of change control. Did you involve the board members? Who are the stakeholders?

Help, our ASP.NET application is broken. Or not. Some session shit keeps getting confused on the application domain.

By the way, here's a new SRX. I know you are Cisco certified, but it's too expensive, please port all 600 firewall and NATs to the new platform with zero downtime. Also, make sure at no point there is a lapse in firewall security or the auditors will eat your face.

>>60572266

What's that about VMWare? You want a hybrid cloud? Sure, let's read roughly 795 whitepapers about 132 different competing platforms and philosophies and pitch half a dozen to a room of executives staring at you with a blank face.

Finally, better make sure you learn puppet or ansible or salt or chef or xyz to manage your configs because the company wants to scale 10x with no new staff!

>>60555061
Yep, that's the risk. I'm fine with it though. Less than 10 years from retirement and I have enough invested to retire early so long as my kids don't bankrupt me going to college w/o scholarships.

>>60560968
I've been getting regular pay adjustments. Mediocre is relative. For the job and location it's above average. Compared to what I could make in a metro area working on somewhat related modern systems it's below average.

>>60570576
>>Walmart