/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Is PowerColor Red Dragon RX 580 8Gb decent?

Some retards are telling me that HDMI can't handle 75hz@1080p, that can't be true, right?

>>60543566
Should be fine.

>>60543566
Yes, providing you're not overpaying for it. and you overclock it.
It's really easy to overclock GPU's. A couple slider bars.
Youtube it. You can't fuck up.

Is AsRock AB350M Pro4 ok mobo if I'm not going to overlock?

>>60543573
not true

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Help guys, I am in a bind.

I kind of want to upgrade my rig, that is as follows:

Asus P8P67 Rev 3.1
i7-2600k @ 4.6Ghz
16GB DDR3-1600
RX480 8 GB

I play some games (mostly Rainbow Six Siege) @ 144Hz so I am completely fine with med-low settings to achieve that framerate.

I feel my board aging more than the CPU to be honest, sometimes I have weird freezes or crashes (but very rarely). The CPU is still going strong.

Is it even useful to upgrade to the following:

ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4
Ryzen 1600
16GB DDR4-3000

I would OC the CPU (try for 3.8) and could use the additional cores (sometimes have compute / compile tasks to do that would surely benefit from additional cores) as well as the CPU-side x265 encoding (I watch movies / shows exclusively on PC).

I feel like I could either go for this build now and basically speculate on the fact that AMD is going to use the same socket for Zen2 and ideally Zen3 so I could upgrade later (might also add another 16GB RAM later), or wait a while, see if prices come down a bit and go for at least the 1700 with this.

My main point is that my current rig's main parts (Mainboard, RAM, CPU) have lastet me 6 years and I want similar longevity from a new build, occasionally upgrading HDDs or the GPU without any major overhaul.

What would you guys recommend me to do? Wait? Buy now?

could a q6600 and 560ti still play modern games?

>>60543898
Yeah, thanks.
I bought this monitor in the end https://iiyama.com/gb_en/products/prolite-x2483hsu-b2/

>>60543936
No, you could play CS GO and Overwatch at around 60fps, sometimes below, sometimes above.

>>60543930
If you want it to last the longest time then consider getting higher frequency memory to get the most performance possible out of the CPU & maybe get an R5 1600x to make sure you get to 4GHz
Better RAM should also ensures better performance for future Ryzen CPUs, unless for some random reason they ditch the CCX design (no reason they would)

Buying now is perfectly fine, Zen2 isn't coming anytime soon.

>>60543936
I had a GTS 450 with an FX8350 and would play Arma3 just fine. Low detail, but fine.

>>60543936
I was running GTAV, TW3 and Dark Souls 3 at medium settings/1080p on a similar machine last year (phenom ii 965 & hd7850) so I would say yes. As long as you overclock that q6600 off the face of the planet (aim for at least 4ghz) you should be able to play newer games at low to medium settings.

>>60543835
nope, it's an ok mobo if you're going to overclock.
If you don't plan to overclock ever just buy a A320
for cheap.

>>60544116

Thank you for your input.
I thought the highest that Ryzen memory scales to is 3200 and over all the benches I have seen, the consensus atm seems to be that if you reach 2666, anything above it has diminishing returns, so I opted for the 3000er RAM (G.Skill RipJaws V red DIMM 16GB, DDR4-3000, CL15-15-15-35) to be on the safe side. It also has fairly low latency I feel - I don't want to go for CL14, it is always like 10-20% more expensive here in Germany

Am I misinformed here? Does the 3200 RAM really make a noticeable difference?

Also, should I go for the 1600 or the 1700?

>>60544180
>Also, should I go for the 1600 or the 1700?
depends. What are you doing with the computer?

>>60543930
If i were you i'd wait for next gen.
Essentially if you plan to upgrade to amd wait for
Zen2 and Navi or Vega probably sometime next
year.
The r5 1600 upgrade will increase performance but
i don't consider worth it to spend for now. Just overclock
gpu and see if you can get a stable further cpu overclock
maybe invest in a better cooler too so you can use it for
when you upgrade too. However doing these extreme
overclocks will reduce the lifespan of your system but
it should be okay considering you're already planing to
upgrade.
To get a better idea just expect your fps in games only
to increase moderately but your multithreaded computing
/ compile tasks to get on a whole different level.

>>60544180
cas latency doesn't matter much on ryzen build
mhz affects it far more.

>>60544120
You realize Q6600 is more than double as old as FX8350? It's from 2006, while FX8350 is from 2012.

Was thinking of going with a 7700k for gaymen, but two things kinda concerns me.

1 is about the things not being able to overclock. That still a problem or was something done about it? I'm still kind of figuring these things out.

The other is how long it would last as a good gaming processor. I hear rumblings of some possible new processors coming and I'm not sure if I should wait or go ahead and get it.

>>60544311
Yes, just giving an idea of what he can expect.

>>60544345
>That still a problem or was something done about it?
That's a problem with the TIM between the heatspreader and the actual CPU die. Can't do shit for it except delidding.

>The other is how long it would last as a good gaming processor.
Considering it's a 4 core, this is highly unpredictable. But there is no doubt current 6 cores CPU will last much longer.

I've been reading about GPUs as I was feeling a bit clueless and I'm wondering what people are referring to when they talk about custom PCBs. Do vendors actually design their own cards within a model's specs or are they just changing small things like the power connectors within a design given by AMD/Nvidia? Overclocking aside, do they have significant differences not visible just in the specs?

>>60544164
Comparing the two is like comparing a G4560 to an OCed 6600K, or even 6700k.

Would I have an interest for the Ryzen 9 for realistic 3D modelling and game design ?

>>60544406
?
Deneb and Kentsfield have very similar IPC, and the 7850 is only a small amount faster than the 560ti. What strange comparison have I made?

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>>60544383
Pictured are two different PCB, one being an Asus one and bottom most likely a reference one
It's the exact same specs, just that they might have different power connectors (8+8 for better OC / housefire), different display connectors (some card with Displayport, some with VGA), different size and most importantly better quality components. For the 9xx series, Gigabyte was considered the best manufacturer because their card had custom pcb with high quality VRMs allowing for the best overclocks.

But the specs are the same except from stock & boost clocks, and power draw.

>>60544260
>cas latency doesn't matter much on ryzen build
>mhz affects it far more.

That's what I thought. There is a difference, but it is negligible according to all benchmarks. Only higher RAM clock gives performance boost.

>>60544243
>>depends. What are you doing with the computer?

Sometimes I do some fairly big monte-carlo simulations in GAMS / Excel. They can take a while on my current system.
I also dual-boot linux / win and on linux mostly compile from source. So the additional number-crunching power of Ryzen would be appreciated.

What I do not yet do but would LOVE to do is reencode the x264 video files I have to x265 to save space, but the 2600k is extremely slow with this. I guess the 1700 would clearly beat the 1600 out of the park in this regard.

Oh yeah and also some light gaming, as I mentioned.

>>60544253
>To get a better idea just expect your fps in games only
>to increase moderately but your multithreaded computing
>/ compile tasks to get on a whole different level.

Since I already hit 144 fps in Siege, I don't mind the gaming side of things with Ryzen

>>60544253
>If i were you i'd wait for next gen.
>Essentially if you plan to upgrade to amd wait for
>Zen2 and Navi or Vega probably sometime next
>year.

I don't want to upgrade my 480 now, that card is still running super good. Also have a stable OC @1395Mhz Core. But I feel that sometime soon my current board might hit the PCIe ceiling. It only has PCIe2x connection.

>>60544550
Q6600 has way worse single thread, and multi thread, performance.

>>60544626
Well the AM4 board has good upgradability for the future but i just feel like the whole build is not worth the money for the performance boost overall that you will be getting. If your current build doesn't limit you or prevent you from doing things that you want to do i don't see why upgrade now.

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>>60544644
Kentsfield is equal to or even faster than Deneb at the same clocks.
Sorry about low qual image but it's the best I could find on the old forums.

Seems like the most appropriate place to put this, I'm wondering if anyone can help me out.

I just recently bought a 144hz GSYNC monitor (https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009908), and since connecting it, I've been experiencing A/V micro stutters about every three or four seconds, whether in application or on my desktop. I'm wondering if this has ever occurred to anyone else, or if anyone may know a solution. Thanks in advance!

>CPU - Intel i7-4790k 3.6hz
>GPU - MSI 980ti
>RAM - 16GB DDR3
>PSU - 850W

Did anyone see am4 motherboards in mitx size anywhere in the wild?
I've just jumped here from the ryzen thread and I've seen that Biostar board but only Newegg lists in and it's not available. Suspiciously it has reviews on it, how are people getting it?

>>60544782
It goes out of stock within 20 minutes of restocks.

>>60543546
Is this thread to ask about mice? My current one is being destroyed by new cat, I'm assuming it's gonna be dead by the end of the week. It's a corsair m65, I cannot stand the assymetrical layout/claw layout. The buttons/placement are fine but I'd like a normal hand mouse next. Any suggestions? I looked at zeowie or something last night and liked the simple, normal and minimal design but my god the price seems ridiculous for it.

>>60544626
>Sometimes I do some fairly big monte-carlo simulations in GAMS / Excel. They can take a while on my current system.
>I also dual-boot linux / win and on linux mostly compile from source. So the additional number-crunching power of Ryzen would be appreciated.
Sounds like you could make use of a 1700 at bare minimum, if not a 1700X or 1800X

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is the i5 3470 still a good processor for everyday computing, programming and virtualization with no gaming? I've got this Dell SFF machine for a while now and I love it to bits as it was very cheap (ex-corp), quiet and small too. I've put in 16GB of ram as I normally have too many tabs open and one or two virtual machines open.

>>60544801
I see now, thanks!
My mistake was using an old mail address with Newegg, I've checked it now and it has a notification on May 17th.
So it exists!

>>60543566
Eh. Power Color cheap GPUs tend to not be good, just like cheap MSI and Gigabyte.
Their Red Devil cards are amazing, the best or close to it, but obviously they're more expensive.

If getting a cheap one, I'd stick with Sapphire. XFX seems to have improved their cheap ones this time around, too.

>>60544866
Yeah, it's okay for that.
Idk. My i5-2500k was barely handling just programming though when it comes to profiling and debugging. It would chug, though a lot of that problem seemed to be disk i/o.

>>60544866
If you upgrade to a desktop with a r5 1600 or r7 1700
you will notice otherworldy difference.
But if you feel that your setup doesn't constrain you at all
you know the saying "if it aint broke don't fix it"

>>60543566
Would recommend sapphire rx 580 8gb nitro+ if priced similarly.
PowerColor is okay too, haven't seen a single person having issues with their cards other
than pricing/performance. If you're looking into the highest end of the rx 580s either get a
reasonably priced golden sample from powercolor otherwise sapphire nitro+ is the way to go.

>>60544928
>>60544921
Good points. Currently use a SSD so I have that going for me. I feel like leaving too many tabs open even with ram management extensions is slowing the whole system down regardless of RAM available. Ultimately might move to using a linux distro.

>>60544366
>Can't do shit for it except delidding
Oof. Was afraid of that.
I guess not overclocking is still a safe option, but in that case why get a k in the first place.
>highly unpredictable
Was afraid of that too. I do mess around with emulators too sometimes, so the speed is sort of an interest to me.

Now I'm not so sure...

>>60544973
Yeah.. on Windows with an i5-2500k, which is similar to that, I'd have my IDE open, browser for my references and looking things up.
That's not so bad.
But if I want to watch Twitch on my other monitor at the same time, that can be enough to slow it down. Add running debugging tools, and it'd just be so slow. Changing windows or just browser tabs would be so fucking slow.

My 1600X is so fast now. Instant tab switching.
On my i5-2500k I'd often have to run twitch on 720p. Now 1080p60fps is fine and it never drops frames even when something else is using lots of resources. Jumping through debugging steps in the profiler is so snappy.
Also handles dozens of porn videos playing at once, which is also nice.

But if you find it works for you, it works. Might work better on Linux.

>>60545037
If you get a good cooler overclocking to 4.6/4.7ghz is still viable
If you want the easy answer, if you're building on a budget consider
ryzen if you don't care about costs build a i7 7700k(if you're planing to game mainly)
If you do choose ryzen good budget options are r5 1600 and r7 1700
choose wisely after you estimate the core count that'll benefit you most depending on your use.

>>60545119
That's kind of the thing.
Budget isn't the problem so in that regard I'd go 7700k mainly for gaming and some emulating with a little of just dicking around with anything I might find interesting.

But I still want this computer to last a long time, and like you said the future of 4 cores is unpredictable.

For some reason, the LAN led of my mobo (Asus H110m-k) doesn't turn on. Pc is saying that there's not any ethernet cable linked, when actually it is. I tried rebooting and removing and relinking the cable, but I didn't solve the problem. It's stange because my connection worked very well till last night, when I shut down my pc. It's the first time it happens since when I built my pc. Recently I noticed that my internet connection went on and off at times, but it stayed on after some minutes.
Please help an ignorant.

>>60545161
sounds like you want a 1600 then.

>>60545175
But isn't the 1700 and such faster? Or did I hear about it wrong?

>>60545161
In that case consider r7 1800x and a 1080 ti. It essentially is going to be a more
future-proof 7700k build. Also it might be worth investing in end-game cooling that
you'll be using for all your future builds considering how slowly that evolves.
Same deal with PSUs.
r7 1800x isn't great value for money but it is decent especially comparing to
intels 8-core cpus and also it is on a brand new mobo with good future
upgrades. Pair it up with a Asrock x370 Taichi or Asus x370 Crosshair VI for
the sick overclocks on a reliable build and get cheapest 2x8gb 3600mhz CL
doesnt matter. For graphics card if you can wait get the best consumer vega
we expect release dates at 31st of may and they're estimated to be around
june 31st max. Otherwise refer to op for whichever gpu fits your gaming needs.
It will probably cost you considerably much but you will be able to hold onto
that build for a very long time, at least until there is some technological
breakthrough on gaming-grade cpus like getting somehow stable safe 7ghz
safe clocks which is very unlikely, it seems like the logical turn now is for
gamings to start steadily utilize more cores and more threads considering
the voltage and heats cpus suffer under high overclocking.

>>60545220
The 1600 is just a 1700 with 2 cores deactivated. The 1600 is better for gaming. You're not going to see much, if any improvement in gaming with a 1700 over a 1600. 95% of games aren't developed to make use of more than 4 cores.
Where the 1700 shines is everything but gaming. heavy multi-thread and multi-core workloads like video editing/rendering, etc.

>>60545271
If you actually stream, and I mean a stream with viewers, 1700 is a good pick.
I'm really surprised not more streamers sell their shitty 7700k, and get a 1700 instead. No need for a double computer stream set up.

1600 for real amateur streamers though, no point in investing so much money into 0 viewers.

>>60545271
>95% of games aren't developed to make use of more than 4 cores.
Lies, any game from the past 3 - 4 years use anywhere from 8 to 12 threads very easily
I havent seen a single game on my R7 1700 where i had a thread being unused
You don't "program to use more than 4 cores", you program to spread the load dynamically based on core count, which is what the vast majority of game engines do

>>60545301
>Lies, any game from the past 3 - 4 years use anywhere from 8 to 12 threads very easily
I said cores, not threads. The R5 1600 has 12 threads and 6 cores.

Look again at most modern games. They're optimized for 4 core workloads. This usually lease 6 core or more CPUs with 2 cores doing nothing.

>>60545344
Why are you talking about cores? You cannot optimize for core count but rather thread count

>They're optimized for 4 core workloads.
It is entirely true that most games are made with 4c8t in mind, but it doesn't mean it cannot spread the load further than that, because games (most specifically game engines) do spread the load further than that
Otherwise R5 would see much higher CPU usage on the first 4/8 thread, but the load is instead spread.

Planning on upgrading my rig this summer. Currently running fx6300 @3.5g, gtx 760 2gb and 16g ram. Student budget, cant upgrade both cpu and gpu. Would my cpu bottleneck a 980? Are there better alternatives to a 980 (at about 300€ or less)? Cant really upgrade both parts since I dont have the money

>>60544852

Aren't they basically the same? I thought /g/ agreed that you should get the 1700 and OC it and only get the X variants of you don't want to OC and have the money lying around.

>>60545268
Yeah, I was certainly going to go for good cooling. Especially with how sweltering it can get where I live.

>>60545271
>>60545301
>>60545344
From my understanding even if the game doesn't use all the threads or cores those extra cores could handle other things like OS background stuff.

That's just what I've heard, anyway. If I'm wrong then I am.

>>60545412
>Would my cpu bottleneck a 980?
yes

>Are there better alternatives to a 980 (at about 300€ or less)?
RX 580, the 8GB version should be priced closely and should perform very very close to the 980 while having 8GB.
There are also 4GB version that are much cheaper.

>>60545450
>From my understanding even if the game doesn't use all the threads or cores those extra cores could handle other things like OS background stuff.
That is true, Windows (& any other OS) makes sure no thread gets maxed by moving background programs & anything else away from the thread that are being used a lot. But games are indeed optimised for high thread count instead of 4t like a lot of people believe.

>>60545440
>1700 and OC it and only get the X variants of you don't want to OC
I think that's the case with r5 1600 not sure about r7.

looking for a case with a lot of drive bays but not a massive case. ive got a 300r and im somewhat annoyed that it only has 4 drive bays now that ive got to get get a 5th and 6th drive.

Speaking of which whats my best choice for a lot of drives? past 6 is using a sata splitter or something like that a thing since a hdd isnt even as fast as the sata standard and i only have 6 ports. Thinking ill be reaching 10+ disks

>>60545161
In that case just get a 1600X.
You won't have to worry about overclocking, or if you do you might get an extra 50-200mhz overclock since chances of better silicon are higher.

The big benefit is that AM4 is here for 4+ years, while Intel only supports their sockets for 2 years.
So in 3 or 4 years, you can just swap out the CPU while keeping the same cooler+bracket and motherboard, which is way easier than replacing the motherboard and without the hassle of Windows de-activating your license because you changed motherboards.

I wouldn't be surprised if in 2 or 3 years that 7nm or 7nm+ Ryzen ends up having similar or better per-core performance to the 7700k, except with 6 or 8 core options as well and the better SMT.

Even today, if you pair a 7700k with many ubisoft games like Assassins Creed Syndicate, GR Wildlands, or games like BF1 multiplayer, you get ~100% thread utilization across all or nearly all threads on the 7700k with a 1080Ti.
The moment a graphics card comes out that's 10-30% faster than the 1080Ti, which is surely next year, the 7700k will be the bottleneck.
Compare that to 2011, where you could OC a i7-2700k to 4.5GHz and it wouldn't bottleneck the latest GPU at 1080p in 2015.
You have a CPU that'll last a year or two if you plan on upgrading GPU, versus one, or at least the platform, that'll last 4+.
I think it's straight forward, put like that. I got the i5-2500k in 2011, and I got the 1600X now.

>>60545412
I would upgrade the CPU and worry about the GPU later. You'll keep the CPU longer than the GPU anyways.

>>60545440
/g/ has been pushing the 1600 for months. Have you not been paying attention? The 6 core 1600 is the golden chip of the Ryzen line up right now.

>>60545450
>From my understanding even if the game doesn't use all the threads or cores those extra cores could handle other things like OS background stuff.
>That's just what I've heard, anyway. If I'm wrong then I am.
That's correct. This is why the 1600 is heavily recommended. You get the best performance per price in games, while having room to have other shit in the background like Discord or Chrome.
The 1700 has 8 cores so it allows you to do more in the background but it sees no real advantage over the 1600 in gaming. That's why the 1700/1700x/1800x are only recommended if you do video editing or other things that benefit from more cores and more threads.

>>60545542

Did you notice that gaming is not my primary goal with this upgrade?

>>60545161
>>60545538
Or I mean you could get the 1800X, if money really doesn't matter. but the 1600X is 95-100% the same performance in current games, and 75% the same performance in productivity, for half the cost.

>>60545440
They are the same chip design, but like anything that you make lots of they aren't identical.
The most perfect ones become a 1800X. The ones that are nearly perfect except for 1 or 2 cores have 2 cores disabled and become a 1600X, or have all the clocks dropped down a bit to be a 1700X or 1700.
1800X will OC the best. 1600X will generally match those overclocks, or close, but on 2 less cores.
You can overclock a 1700 to higher than stock 1800X performance, but you can OC the 1800X even better.
It's very rare for a 1700 to hit over 4 or 4.05GHz on acceptable voltages. It's common for 1800X and 1600X to hit 4.1, and sometimes even 4.25 if you're really lucky or tune the OC very well with a good board.

Best cheap SSD (M.2 or SATA) around 500GB?
If there's a significantly better, faster SSD that's $10 more than the cheapest, then I'd be fine with that difference.

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Sex.

Aida64 or prime95 for testing ocs on a new system?

>>60546053
That looks like what morons in the late 50's thought the future would look like.

>>60546084
Why would it be moronic to think stainless steal and clean, minimalist design would be futuristic? In fact, minimal,clean looking designs is the future.

>>60546053
To much negative space.
It looks so empty with that little motherboard there.

>>60545957
Crucial MX300 or ADATA SU800. Both are very good, just whichever is on sale at a given time. They both go on sale at least once a month pretty much.

>>60546146
>It looks so empty
That's the entire point.

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>>60546053
Oh my god, we're going back to the acrylic meme again
The 15 year cycle is true

>>60545538
>>60545542
I have been thinking of streaming stuff for friends, so a 1800 isn't so bad sounding, desu.

So aside from maybe the most demanding emulators (of mainly systems that are too new for me to worry about emulating, desu), Ryzen isn't sounding so bad now.

>>60546122
not if they have a mirror finish.

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>>60546201

>>60546217
It's only Cemu that it sometimes has a problem on (but many games on it are fine).
PCSX3, which is more demanding but multithreaded, runs fine on it.

How do I motivate myself to buy a antistatic glove and mat for putting my motherboard in? I can't stand purchases online, it's a pain and using browsers is a pain. I am autism.

>>60546053
>>60546201
I want to fill these with cooking oil

>>60546268
Not worth the trouble, modern cooling has surpassed that cooling trend.

>>60546264
I can use email and phone. Worked for me to RMA the motherboard.

And to walk to postal office is ok.

>>60546201
blame corsair for bringing back pc cases to mainstream

Acrylic has always been a thing

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What do you guys make of this for a AAA online gaming rig?

Case, RAM and case are just placeholders.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/echan42/saved/WYcD3C

>>60546201
Except that looks ugly because it has too many mismatching colors and garbage in it.

can't decide between rx560 or gtx 1050ti

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/q6bzd6

I heard nvidia is starting to jew out on telemetry and registration if you want the drivers?

>>60546412
change to faster ram. and upgrade to the Ryzen 5 1600.

Geil has a 2400mhz 16gb (2x8gb) kit of ram currently going for around $93

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Zzczd6

Silence and size. Chose the 7100 because it seems to be the best cpu without AMT. Case fan is again for that silence

>>60546412
Why the x370?

>>60546503
>~$900 USD build
>using an i3
wut

will Aida64 fuck with my voltages if I don't have them set to auto?

>>60546503
There is all kinds of wrong in this build
>i3
why? You can get a Ryzen 5 1400 instead and be better off.
>Kaby Lake CPU on a Skylake chipset mobo
That motherboard needs to be flashed to even use the CPU. You want a Kaby lake motherboard if you want to use a Kaby Lake chip. B250, H270 and Z270 are the chipsets to look for.
>single channel 8GB stick
get a 2x4GB kit in this case. it'll be better.

>at this point I notice everything is ITX
That explains not choosing Ryzen. The only ITX Ryzen boards out at the moment are from Biostar who only make shit.

But look. If you're going to use an i3, why even bother with an aftermarket cooler? It comes with one. Granted not a good one, but it isn't even an overclockable CPU so that shouldn't matter.

>>60546510
Why an AM4 asus is a better question

I just build a pc yesterday, 10th time building one so not that new to it. Everything worked fine, so I installed Windows and some drivers (GPU and MOBO). After that everything still worked and the computer kept working for the whole day. But after turning it on today the monitor isn't getting any signal anymore. I tried different HDMI cables and this didn't solve the problem the GPU also shows signs of being on (fans spinning). What could be the problem in this case?

>>60546710
try reseating the ram

>>60546710
It is a Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 WINDFORCE OC 6G. On a MSI PC MATE B250 Motherboard.

>>60546721
Both sticks in the other 2 slots? Everything did work for a whole day.

>>60546735
Well you can try that to but just try reseating them.

>>60546750
Thank you will try that hope it works. Could it be a defective GPU if the problem persists after that?

>>60546546
>>60546618
man i even wrote why i chose the 7100, forgive if im wrong and it does use amt. the 1x8 is for upgrading in the future.
Id choose ryzen if it did have itx options but that doesn't really seem likely.

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Is this usable/upgradable or should i build from scratch?

>>60546767
If the onboard (if the mobo has one) or a different GPU works then yeh something could be wrong with the card.

>>60546813
can keep hard drive & cases but the rest (CPU GPU RAM) is gonna have to go
PSU could be kept depending on how old and wattage, GPU could also stay for the time being

>>60546772
>Id choose ryzen if it did have itx options but that doesn't really seem likely.
Biostar already has 2 ITX Am4 boards out. Gigabyte is in the works on one, due to be released soon. Isn't Computex happening soon?

>>60546813
Anything is usable for something you're not going to be able to play modern high end games at 60fps but with an R7 200 series you probably already knew that.
If you want a 1080p60 console port machine you'll need to upgrade basically everything though. It's just a matter of what you want out fo your computer

>>60546813
Ther hard drive, SSD, and case can stay but everything else needs to be trashed.
Luckily for you, Ryzen has arrived.

>>60546868
biostars arent available in Australia yet and seem to have a decent amount of issues. ill probs just wait but its annoying that motherboard manufacturers are so slow with releasing mitx boards. i thought theyde be faster

PSA: the 7600k is currently $199 at MicroCenter and should also be considered when looking at the Ryzen 1500x and 1600.

Not an Intel shill, just letting you guys know.

>>60547039
>should also be considered when looking at the Ryzen
I disagree strongly.
A 7600k + cooler (say Hyper 212 Meme Evo) still ends up more expensive than an R5 1600 without cooler and you still end up with less performance.
It's not a worth CPU at it's price by any means, it would need to be priced at $160 to be worth it.

>>60543936
448 edition or just ti? My ti handles room at 720p high settings just fine. Full 60fps. Still upgrading to a 1070 tho, because Andromeda runs at 40 on medium

>60547107
I should clarify I have the 448 edition

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>>60547065
>A 7600k + cooler (say Hyper 212 Meme Evo) still ends up more expensive than an R5 1600
The 1600 is $220, and the 7600k + Cryorig M9i (a good CPU cooler, or +$5 for the 212) is also basically $220 (actually a little less).

>and you still end up with less performance.
How so? Pic related.

The 7600k at that price is a really good option. Performance in all tasks is not equal across Ryzen 5 and Intel i5.

I was just letting people know, no need to AyyMD shill.

>>60547168
Also it's worth noting that you still have more mobo options currently on Intel. Ryzen is still new.

The 7600k is worth considering at that price.

>>60547168
>posting cpubenchmark.shill
you get banned for this, right?

Why is this thread just AMD shills now

>>60547168
>uses sale prices for 7600k
>doesn't use the $185 sale prices for 1600
well shillled, my friend. You'll certainly convince someone to buy an inferior yet more expensive product with this strategy.

>>60547168
>How so? Pic related.
Are you seriously using this website to compare CPU performance or is this some trolling?
No: gpubenchmark, cpubenchmark, and all the other shit that exists including the thing your posted is the worst possible way to compare hardware

Here is real world performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m
The i5 7600k is a bad CPU for it's price when both the R5 1500x and R5 1600 exist, and offer similar performance but at lower CPU usage, lower power consumption and lower heat output. They also both do so at a lower price as neither of the two require a cooler.

>no need to AyyMD shill.
I didn't accuse you of being a shill, why are you autistic enough to do so? Especially after stating that you weren't one.

>Also it's worth noting that you still have more mobo options currently on Intel. Ryzen is still new.
7600k is kaby-lake, it has much less mobo than you think, and is newer than you think. Any mobo released before kaby-lake does not work with kaby-lake (even if same socket) unless updated to a newer bios.

>>60547229
>said after someone references fake "benchmarks" to promote the 7600k over the 1600
xd

>>60547271
how are they fake benchmarks? they are user submitted synthetics.

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>>60547302
>they are synthetics.

>>60547322
Yeah, synthetics aren't fake? they just aren't standard usage. Nothing is programmed to use every possible cycle because nothing works that way, but it doesn't mean the performance/power is some how not actually there.

>>60547339
Synthetics are shit for comparing hardware, and using them to do so is retarded.

>>60546122
>That much wasted space
>Minimalist
Do you know what the word means?

>>60547369
If developers weren't shit it'd be fine.

>>60546053
What case?

Why do people care about what their computer looks like?

I wish they'd bring back hideous graphics cards mascots, naked PCB DIMMs, and funky colored motherboards to get the normies to fuck off.

>>60547575
>normies

???
Stop misusing that word.

>>60547339
They are worse than synthetics.
They are old synthetics and heavily weigh single thread performance.
It essentially only counts the first 3 threads.

compare an i3-2100 to an i5-7600 and it says the 7600 is barely more than twice as fast. Even if they were the same exact IPC(they're not, the 7600 is about 30-40% higehr ipc), same clock speeds(still no, the 7600 is over 10% higher clocks), or the same threads (nope, the 7600 has twice as many).
It's bullshit. The 7600 is like 3-4x faster, not 2x.

>>60547610
>implying case hardened & RGB heat-spreadders on RAM aren't specifically made to appeal to reddit normies

I'm considering finally ordering parts for a Ryzen-based mATX system today, since I really miss having a desktop computer. Is there anything I should wait a little more for, or should I just go for it?

what's that cooler that has the 5 on top of it?

>>60547646
Unless you have a huge budget for Vega, go for it.

>>60547667
I'm not planning for anything too advanced, great. Any motherboard you recommend? I don't need any special stuff, just at least one PS/2 port, a couple of USB ports, and some SATA for maybe 2 harddrives.

>TFW all component except Power Supply just came in

Should I just build as much as I can while I wait another day or so

>>60547860
wait for the power supply so you can post-test everything before you put it together.

>>60547575
ram sticks look ridiculous

>>60547860

No, that's not satisfying at all, plus the Power Supply should go in early.

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would i be better off selling my custom desktop as a whole or taking each individual part and putting them back in the box and ebaying it

building a desktop was a mistake

I'm >>60545166 and I'm bumping to update: I switched to a new LAN cable, but it's still not working. May I presume that it's due to my mobo? Modem is on and it's working. What can I do? I've just run Windows troubleshooter and it says that a LAN cable isn't properly linked or it's damaged. Plwase can you help me?

What should cost ratios of each proponent be? Trying to figure out how much my cpu should cost if my budget is 1.5k

>>60547860
You could seat the CPU and cooler on the motherboard. And GPU. Dont put it in the case until you've tested outside the box imo. You might accidentally short something and be unable to tell what happened.

>>60547881
Should I plug in my video card to post test? I understand the t5 1600 does not have onboard graphics.

>>60547928
That's entirely dependent on the usage
For gamers with a 1.5k build they usually put either an R5 1600 or 7700k, both can fit under that budget

>>60547907
What do you have Anon? let us all laugh at your retarded decision making.

>>60547942
All I need plugged in to test out of box is CPU/cooler, GPU, and ram right. Obviously psu as well

>>60547928
>proponent
heh

>>60547949
when post-testing, yes, plug in the graphics card. Ryzen 5 and 7 do not have onboard graphics. If the graphics card isn't plugged in, nothing will show on the monitor.

>>60547977
My bad, component hehe

Alright, here's what I got:

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ch2LLD
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ch2LLD/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($333.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($63.65 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME Z270-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($123.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($107.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design - Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($121.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.88 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Pioneer - BDR-209DBK Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill - RNX-AC1900PCE PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Other: Ducky One TKL Blue LED Mechanical Keyboard (Brown Cherry MX) ($99.99)
Total: $1644.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-23 13:40 EDT-0400

Before you say anything about my HDD, don't think I need more than 1TB.

Also, this setup will allow for some GPU overclocking and enabling my RAM's XMP profile, right? Don't think I'll need to overclock my CPU.

>>60548118
You can get 3200mhz for not that much more if you care, small gainz though.

Don't pay for a fucking network adapter, just get the Z270-E, integrated wifi + great antenna you can place anywhere you want.

>>60547915
Try using a linux os or reinstall/upgrade LAN driver. If problem persists after trying both, it's the mobo that's the problem.

>>60548170
How can I install a LAN driver without internet connection? My pc doesn't have wireless connection.

>>60548149
>onboard wifi
lol

>>60548118
>buying Intel now when Intel is scrambling to put out a 6c/12t
bad idea

>>60548213
well, they do already have the 6800k

>>60548210
>wifi at all

if we're going to criticize. pay more for a useless obsolete placebo, if you want.

>>60548209
download it on another computer and use a usb drive to transfer it

>>60548209
the fuck did you forget that DVDs CDs and USB drives exist

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>>60548118
>Before you say anything about my HDD, don't think I need more than 1TB.

Then just get a larger SSD...

>Don't think I'll need to overclock my CPU.

You have an incoming call from Ryzen 5 1600X. It also says you don't need such an expensive cooler.

>Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)

Just get a Zotac 1070 Mini. 2 years more warranty and all the 1070's are basically the same, especially if you're overclocking it yourself.

>>60548213
>paying 800 dollars for a 6c

Nah.

>>60548221
very pricy
6800k is $338
ryzen 8 core 1700 is $304

>>60548229
>>60548225
The only pc I have is my laptop, which takes about 20 minutes to boot due to, I think, Windows 10 messing with drivers. I'd gladly install Linux on that laptop but I can't access UEFI bios.

>>60548234
It will drop in price, Intel are whores. But you can't bother just get Ryzen 1600 it's $210
not to mention Ryzen SMT is based off IBM so it werks better than Intel hyperthreading

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>>60547965
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tkBGCJ

like 1.5 years old

I am simply not a gaymer anymore

fell for the consumerism meme

>>60548258
nigger it's only 20 minutes to get online and find the right drivers from the motherboard website
once you get comfortable with your desktop fucking figure out a way to boot into the BIOS and turn on everything that lets you install linux

>>60547650
its not a 5, it's Cryorig see >>60548283

>>60548283
Just sell it as a complete system locally.

>>60548283
>he bought an i5
You're retarded. Keep the desktop. It's always good to have a backup machine I still got my Compaq Pentium II in working condition crammed full of books. I don't play much games either since I find myself either emulating or going back to some old favorite games.

>>60548318
This is a 1.5 years old build you retard
Of course he was gonna go for an i5

So is consumer Vega coming out or not? I really could care less for a Pixar-oriented GPU, much less pay for one.

>>60548118
>GPU overclocking
>pascal
Yeah okay.

>>60548364
expect 1080ti pricing with less performance in games for the highest end

and then shittier but slightly cheaper alternatives to the normal ones


like always.

>>60543546
If I get liquid cooling will I ever have to worry about temperature again?

>>60548318
I have m'thinkpads

did consider getting an mini-itx board+case but even then I still don't see myself using it

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835200108&cm_re=Rosewill_RAWP-141209v2-_-35-200-108-_-Product

These 120mm fans for $8 really nice for a case, or should I just chick with one of the 4-pack dealios? Either way I need to buy 5 fans so wondering if this one is neat enough.

>>60548399
Yes but then you have to worry about leaks. High end air cooler also allows you not to have to worry about temperatures.

>>60548449
>High end air cooler
won't it be noisy to have all those fans working?

>>60548341
He could have gone for an i7. i5 on a desktop is gamer meme crap.

What motherboard brand should I get for mATX?

>>60548399
AiO water cooling is a meme for redditors. A good air cooler will be slightly cheaper than most AiO worth using and perform as good or better.

>>60547881
>>60547892
>>60547942
ok I think I'll mount CPU/ram before powersupply comes. I can slot the gpu in tomorrow with the power supply and then I'll post test. Any noticeable downsides to doing that?.

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>>60548465
It's the other way around, a pump in an AIO is going to be noisier than fans on an high end air cooler, and AIO still do have 2 fans (1 for the low end ones but those are not worth the money at all).
Get an high end air cooler, slap two 140mm fans on it, set a custom fan curve and you have yourself a very cool and quiet PC.

>>60548399
Yes.
120mm AIOs are basically no better or sometimes worse than similarly priced tower heatsinks and even with a 240mm or greater you'll still need to keep an eye on dust or straight up pump failure popping up

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>>60548466
the purpose was gamering to begin with

>>60548489
I always put the PSU inside the case first. Wait another day, you've waited this long. And having the thought of dust coming near your pristine component parts after opening them up should make you twitchy.

I have a budget dilemma.


1050 ti + IPS
rx 470 + freesync non-IPS

>>60548517
Did you get persuaded from the wangblows PC mustard race threads in /v/? Your will is weak.

>>60548489
nope. The post test is just to test that everything works. DOA electronics parts DO happen which is why you test everything before you put everything in the case.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHAelSOF6f0

>>60548539
IPS is a fucking meme don't be autistic about your display, quality TNs look just fine. also most IPS out there right now are chinky useless garbage with terrible manufacturing problems.

>>60548539
go for freesync. Modern TN panels are breddy gud unless you look at them at an extreme angle

>>60548562
It's going to be a fucking long time before 4k monitors drop to 200-250 in price, isn't it.

>>60548539
I recommend going to best buy or whatever and trying monitors for yourself

imo high refresh rate, low input lag monitors make a huge difference when gaming

IPS is nice if you're staring at it all day or just watching anime

>>60548521
you're right anon, not like mounting cpu/ram takes a great deal of time anyway.

>>60548572
once it's as widespread as 1080p is right now, basically, yeah. 4k really isn't worth it right now regardless because performance in most things will suffer too greatly for little gains in actual fidelity. In basically every case more hz > more res

>>60548554
no I fell for linus consumer marketing

>>60548603
Your will is almost non-existent. Pull your shit together.

>>60548603
You know he never had a legit tech job right? He was a salesperson at NCIX and everything else he's qualified for is managing shit.

>>60548603
bet you had rgb peripherals too, fag boi

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>>60548636
i leave the lights off

>>60548632
>never had a legit tech job right?
He's proved that so many times, his delidding video is especially painful.

how am I supposed to torrent a copy of windows 10 if 1/2 of the comments say this has malware, and the other 1/2 calls those people idiots.


I dont want to shill out 100$ for a fucking OS

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>>60548673
>win 10

>>60548673
Pirate w7 or w8.1, and then use the free upgrade via the usb tool. unlocked w10.

>>60548673
easy. torrent windows 8.1, then take the free upgrade so it becomes a legit 10

>>60548673
You're a double retard. You can get legitimate iso from Microsoft. Activating it is where you pirate.

>>60548673
windows 10 iso on the right side

https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap/

this is the one I've used for a few machines

obviously not pre-activated

if you're looking for pre-activated ones then yeah you're just going to find malware

>>60548700
same goes for windows 7, half the people say they're keylogging crooks and the other half call those people idiots. I don't want my computer to have aids

>>60548712
Just fucking install normal clean w7 and then use the daz loader or whatever. spoonfed enough yet?

>>60548712
You're three times retarded.
http://mirror.corenoc.de/digitalrivercontent.net/

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NmxKQV

Only worried about 1080p.
Tell me how much I messed up. I'm especially looking for help with motherboard and graphics card. The power supply can go lower but I think it's fine to go for the 80+gold in case I want to expand later on. The case and razer keyboard/mouse are just what I've seen so far and liked. I like the cherry blue or razer green switches. Wifi is only temporary until I move.

>>60549018
You don't need a full tower case. Mid is fine. Full tower is like a small fridge.
You don't need to buy windows 10. You especially don't need windows 10 home, the worst version of 10.
570 is fine for 1080p.

Has anyone seen any rx 580 8gb for less than $249.99? All the cards cheaper than that on pcpp are from superbiiz and they're sold out

>>60549018
Seems like you could go cheaper on most of your components. $1400 seems like way to much for a 1080p gaymen pc, and it seems like you cheaped out on the gpu which is the most important component

>>60549018
You're spending too much on... well a few components. Here. I fixed it for you.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pwmhLD

>>60549222
and a review on the keyboard I chose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7d-4R0NIWc

>>60549147
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NJpYYr
Like so? Or should I still go up to 580?

I have a 1080p monitor running at 60hz, should I even bother with VEGA?

>>60549018
>full tower ATX for a 1080p machine
Jesus man.

>>60549253
No.

>>60549293
What do you recommend? RX 580?

Just ordered a:

i7 6700k
maximus VIII ranger
gtx 1060
and the rest of the stuff

for 970$, I think it was a good deal considering here in Turkey pc part distributors inflate the prices so goddamn much (also cannot order from amazon etc. since paypal is banned... )

>>60549327
At 1080p? Get for almost no dips below 60FPS.

Guys, I tried building a computer last week and ran into a problem. My computer would not power on. In fact, when everything was set and done, nothing would turn on or work.

Now I bought a new PSU but this time when I turn it on I hear a faint quick beep and then nothing.

Here is my build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bpfpLD

>>60549582
Welcome to hell.

>>60549758
Please...

>>60549820
What do you think I can do? The only way to find a faulty part in a system that doesnt post is to have a complete working rig to swap parts in and out of.
You can only take it into a shop, phone a friend or just continue buying parts until you get it to work.
So, welcome to hell.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/syFnhq what gpu shud i use gtx 1070 or rx 580

>>60549018
>>60549147
>seems like
It literally is.
You can make a 1440p build WITH a $550 monitor for $1400. Or a bit more if you want a 1080 and Gsync instead of RX580.

Is it worth selling my 1050 ti to buy a 970?

>>60549873
Unless you have some specific reason for getting that mobo, drop to an MSI gaming plus or asrock b350 pro 4.
There's typically no reason to spend that much on a b350 board.

>>60549956
If you can do it with relatively no loss it's definitely a significant performance increase.

>>60550084
like a Gigabyte ?

>>60550134
Gigabyte's b350 VRMs are some of the worst.
All of MSI's bar the gaming pro's are good and Asrock's are pretty good for the price.

>>60550170
as for the gpu 1070 or 580?

>>60550202
That's a stupid question, they are both good offerings for their price, it's up to you to decide which price you want to pay.

>>60550202
1070 is considerably stronger than 580.

580 for 1080p
1070 for 1440p

>>60550249
what brand of 1070

>>60550202
for what, man?

RX570 4GB is generally all most need for 1080p 60fps.
It depends on the games you play and needs.

>>60547705
Avoid Asus

Very wierd question pcbg, so i'm making this r5 1600 rx 580 8gb or rx vega build
and i've been thinking about to virtual machine 2-player gaming on my 2 monitors
for games like rocket league. So from what i understand i can spread the cores and
ram amongst 2 players but can i do the same for the gpu? or do i need to buy a 2nd gpu
to pull this off?

>>60550309
MSI or gigabyte are good brands.

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Looking for a few solid budget case recommendations.

best gfx card(s) for 3-D modeling and simulation?

>>60550467
NZXT S340
Corsair Carbide Spec 01
Corsair Carbide Spec 02
Corsair Carbide Spec 03
Corsair Carbide Spec 04 (only difference between the 1, 2, 3, and 4 is looks)
DIYPC Zondda
DIYPC Ranger (DIYPC cases if you're doing a super poor budget build)

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I'VE HAD ENOUGH. These stupid SATA cables are a nightmare to control. At least with IDE cables I could fold them and thus organize things nice and neat. I can't do anything with these things; they do not behave. There has to be a better implementation. Please recommend me an implementation that actually works.

Should I upgrade from GTX 770 to GTX 1060 6gb?

I would look into the other options but AMD's shit is almost sold out and the 3gb 1060 is a piece of shit

>>60550669
if you already have a g-sync monitor from that gtx 770 getting gtx 1060 6gb
is a solid option otherwise wait for any rx 570 4gb to rx 580 8gb to be back on sale because cheaper monitors are worth it

>>60550614
having a brain stem might make things better

>>60550614
get a brain steam you fucking toddler

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>>60548656
Did you see the thermal compound one?
I mean, just what the fuck...

Can someone recommend a build for a silent + mITX PC (the smaller the better)?

I don't plan to game on it or do intensive stuff.

I'm going to install arch and use it to code my shit on it.

I do want to be able to watch videos at 1080 and 60fps though.

Recommendations?

>>60550757
>videos at 1080 and 60fps
What kind of videos? Twitch streams in their shitty Flash player, 8- or 10-bit H.264, HEVC, with or without fancy softsubbed anime karaoke?

>>60550795
second one

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Hello, /g/. I live in a third world country and I'm really in need for a decent processor for gaming, since I'm on a budget.
Which one should I pick? Keep in mind, the difference in price between these two where I live is more than 300 bucks. So I'd like to know if it's worth it to spend so much more to get a 6400.

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any improvements I can make on this build? re using my old harddrives, getting the cpu from a 2nd hand tech store, don't wanna spend much more than £500

>>60550578
>recommending the gaudy spec series over the carbide 100r/200r/270r.

Jfc.

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>>60550988
>this
>gaudy
pick one

>>60548283
>I don't play gaymes
>Better just sell all my shit
>Computers and GPUs are made for video games only and will explode if you use them for anything else
You are just as stupid now as you were back then.

>>60550941
How much do the Ryzen 5 CPUs cost compared to the 6400?
Are you aware that you're gonna need a new mobo?

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>>60551039
>that front grill and triangular bullshit corners
Looks like tacky xXxXG4M3RXxXx bullshit to me. You can't seriously believe pic related isn't a nicer looking case.

>>60551050
such as...?

>>60551074
Literally any kind of productivity

You've never used a proper workstation have you?

>>60551066
I live in Brazil, so the entire thing (CPU+MOBO+8gb Ram) is:

I5 2500: 833 bucks

I5 6400: 1200 bucks

Keep in mind that I make 1000 bucks a month.

>>60551072
>BLERGHUSHSUIHDS GAYMER BAD!!!!! NOTHING CAN NOT BE A PLAIN BLACK FLAT SQUARE!

the one you posted is just plainer looking. The other case is still very understated

>>60551088
You didn't list what Ryzen 5 prices are there. Like for the 1400, 1500X, 1600.
What about the motherboard and RAM cost?

What current motherboard do you have? Do you have RAM already? What kind? You are making yourself difficult to help, but we'd like to.

>>60551088
And what about Ryzen 5? Do they even sell those in Brazil?

>>60551039
I had that case. Wobby as fuck. Would not recommend.

>>60551084
productivity like what?

>>60551072
>meanwhile posts a box less interesting than my dog's turds
If you want something that bland, just grab an old Dell case. They're fucking everywhere.

>>60551101
>BLERGHUSHSUIHDS GAYMER BAD!!!!!

correct, gaymer aesthetic is reprehensible.

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>>60551072
Not square enough. If the side panel didn't have the bump it'd be okay though. A windowless matte S340 is my ideal case.

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>>60551125
>implying cases shouldn't be as utilitarian and plain as possible
here bro found your ideal case

>>60550941
buy an used i7 3770
it's your socket's cap, and still very good for modern games.

>>60551109
>>60551107

All ryzen prices are fucking overkill in brazil.

The prices that I have listed are for processor + mobo + 8gb ram. I don't have any of those, so I have to start my build from scratch.

So, I5 2500 + mobo + 8gb ram = 833 bucks
I5 6400 + mobo + 8gb ram = 1200 bucks

They sell those in a single package. Just a ryzen 5 ALONE (just the processor without mobo and ram sticks) is 800 bucks.

>>60551153
>I AM THE ONE TRUE ARBITER OF AESTHETICS!!!

You're just an arrogant, loud fool

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>>60551113
KILLING YOURSELF YOU FUCKING GAMER TRASH

>>60551186
whatever you say xShadowDemon96

>>60551174
good god no. It looks like a Transformers reject. Just something with a bit more flare than a cardboard box is fine.

>>60551113
Compute intensive tasks like drawing, 3D work and rendering. Even Adobe's trash software supports GPU assistance.

Things that will make the shitty i5 chug.

>But I don't do any of that, I only played games
That's your problem, that was always your problem.
Sounds more like you need a Facebook machine since you don't do anything of value with your equipment.

>>60551210
Why would he want a facebook machine of he plays games? Are you some sort of retard?

>>60551181
eeny meany miny mo then. there isn't much between them performance wise.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=803&cmp[]=2578

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>>60551217
.....
>>60548283
>I am simply not a gaymer anymore

Read faggot

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>>60551088
Don't waste your time with the 2500 on 1155 socket.
Get 3570. It's even better than that Skylake i5.

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>>60551245
fug bad screencap

>>60551154
those feet look so ugly. I like Jonsbo cases.

>>60551181
why does Brazil have so high import tax. It's ridiculous, you don't even produce computer parts.

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>>60551210
yeah I don't do any of that and am not interested in picking up those nerd hobbies, all of my productivity is accomplished on 10 year old laptops

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>>60551399
>nerd hobbies
>Things people go to work and do everyday for lots of money
>nerd hobbies
Why are you here?
Can't you just go shit up some other board?

>>60551072
I am the anon from earlier and I am currently torn between the Carbide 200R and the 270R

>>60551600
just get an old Dell case at that point.

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>>60551366
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>>60551934
Appreciate the effort but way too early, we're gonna hit the bump limit in 20 messages.
You should delete and re-create later.

Anyone has the "connect 3.5" meme about the GTX970?

new NON shill general
>>60552344
>>60552344

Did EVGA ever fix the heat issues with their FTW line or should that still be avoided?

>>60552472
Should preferable avoided, they claim to have fixed it but even with thermal pads & vbios update some users still reportedly got their cards blowing up on them

I want to build a PC
I know how to do it, one question though

I will NOT be gaming. University student so just 40 tabs on chrome and other multitasking. No video editing or CAD.

Do all of Ryzen's threads help me here? Or should I go Intel for dat single core performance?

>>60553431
chrome uses 1 process per tab which means you could have 40 threads with 1 tab per thread
Now if the thread count is actually needed, most likely no.
Even a g4560 could handle that easily, unless each tab is cpu heavy or something.
Single core performance is completely irrelevant for tab count.

>>60543546
R5 1600X or R7 1700?

>>60555822
They'll hit similar frequencies on all cores. The 1600X is better if you'll be running at stock clocks. The 1700 is better if you will overclock, and can afford to spend the extra money.

Does anyone here have the Corsair Carbide Air 240 mATX case?
I'm looking into getting it but I'm having trouble finding a good CPU cooler that fits into it. I'm getting a Ryzen 1600X and was thinking about the Noctua UH-12S SE-AM4 but it's too big for the case, so now I have no idea what to get.