29MB footprint

>>60533451
>2017
>Don't give a fuck about bloat

It's almost like I have a modern computer

>>60533451
>firefox
How long it took to compile, 4 days?

>>60533451
This broke ass faggot are acting all superior

>>60533451
Let's see how it stands after it's been up longer than 13 minutes.

tahrpup is good enough for me

>>60533451
what's the point of a 29MB footprint if you're just going to fire up chrome and have it eat all your ram?

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>>60533451
>It's like you love bloat.
Yes, I do.

>>60533472
20min according to genlop

>>60533451
what wm is that?

>>60533451
pape?

Gentoo is a server OS. Gimping your computer experience just to essentially bench low RAM usage is one of the dumbest things I see on this board. Useful for older machines though yeah.

>>60533953
twm

>>60534064
Gentoo is a general-purpose OS.

>>60534086
>twm
thanks, I'll look into it

>>60533451
>WM: not found
>yet somehow has windows

>>60533451
font?

>>60534064
I disagree, for some software you want to install from source and decide what is enabled and what not, and I can think on other reasons as to why use a source based distro

>>60533451
>Shell: dash
why

>>60533472
0 seconds because I used the firfox binary

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>>60533451
I like bloat. It makes me feel like a big guy

>>60533464
It's almost like everyone said this to themselves and now we're in the state of everything wasting memory and cycles because 'premature optimization'. Chrome doesn't need to use 8GB of memory to show me the current tab.

>29 mb
>not 20kb
lmao it's like you love bloat

>>60534593
For you

>>60534764
For OP

>>60533451
Damn, that's impressive. I get mine to about 100M after a couple days of usage. I'll see what I can use from your config. Thanks.

I work better with tiny systems. Nothing fucking moves, steals focus or is generally annoying. It just sits there, like a good tool, waiting for you to do stuff with it.

>>60534064
Gentoo is a literally everything OS. Its out-of-the-box low memory footprint makes it great for servers and low-end desktops. Its huge amount of packages (partially thanks to layman) allows you to use any tiny and super ricable WM or bloated and awesome DE on it and configure it exactly to your liking, which makes it great for all desktops. Its configurability and huge amount of support make it great for weird use cases (e.g. Gentoo Prefix).

>>60534675
> 20kb
> Not 2kb
RU EVN TRYN?

>still worries about bloat

If you arent a ramlet and have at least 16gb it wont affect you

>>60534672
Hard drives are useless. RAM is faster, browsers perform better this way.

good, but, is it usable?

>29MB footprint
That's about 29MB too high.

>29MB usage
>not using the distro

You are, in fact, OP, not using the distro if it's only using 29MB, congrats.

>>60536097
All the GNU programs are there like cd, mkdir, mount, etc... that make a fully working operating system as guided by POSIX.

>>60534672
Yes it does since websites are now advanced and powerful nowadays

>>60533614
So there's more RAM for Chrome to eat you dumb sack of shit.

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>>60536405
>websites
>advanced
>powerful

>>60536381
So... you only use your system for changing and making directories? Neet!

>>60536471
Are you saying that Richard Stallman isn't a genius for inventing cp?

>>60536776
is stallman a pedo?

>>60536894
Without him, we wouldn't be able to copy files!

>>60533451
Unused RAM is wasted RAM.

>>60533451
This. Gentoo is the only stable distro out there anyway. Plus, it has the second largest package availability, just behind arch.

>>60536463
>I'm a whiny underage wrong generation faggot who parrots opinions without even knowing what they mean, so please give me attention!
Yes, whether you like it or not the Web in 2017 is indeed far more advanced and "powerful" in what can be done on it than it was in 1997.

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https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/A_Neutral_Look_at_Operating_Systems/Linux#SourceMage

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>>60534064
>>60535403
>gentoo
>server os
hahaha, show me one fucking competent company using this aspergers meme of an OS on it's servers
Seriously, you think IT guys just sit around all day installing gentoo from scratch when for the total cost of 70 FUCKING MEGABYTES of memory they could have something that isn't freetard garbage and uses systemd?

i have 8gb of ram, i dont need to give a fuck about bloat
400mb idle never hurt anyone post windows vista

>>60539670
(systemd is officially supported in gentoo as an openRC alternative)

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<350MiB
actually using this distro
uptime that isn't retarded
installed on usb flash drive

>but senpai, your shit resolution
because i'm laying my fatass in bed and display flickers if set higher because of conflict between Intel graphics and UHD TV.

>>60534064
>Useful for older machines though yeah.
yeah cause compiling shit on old pc's is so fun

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>>60539462
Arch has the two usual problems: there's no clear policy about what software can be included, and nonfree blobs are shipped with their core. Arch also has no policy about not distributing nonfree software through their normal channels.

>>60533451
how long does it take to boot?

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>>60533451
How can it be the best when it is so easy to use?

>>60533451
>29MB footprint

the dream

what have you done on your machine besides rice your desktop?

what sort of programming applications have you developed?

>>60540075
Your point? Vim takes a second to install, C compiler is there anyway... also if you program stuff you actually use on your system, there's nothing better than Gentoo because you can install all the stuff via ebuilds and overlays straight from your git repositories

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>>60533451
>pretend to hate bloat
>be obese
?

>>60533451
>using X
Could cut that in half.

>>60534064
Gentoo is NOT a server OS.
It is too bleeding edge. It can be used to make extremely stable systems but it requires too much fine tuning for individual machines for it to be a real choice.

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>>60533451
>using 29MB

Look guys. I do absolutely nothing with my resources. Am I cool or what?

>>60533451
Time to fireup a forkbomb.
>>60541772
Not everybody is the same as you.

>>60541807
>too bleeding edge
>6 years old gcc version
Sure, buddy. It's rolling release, but it's far from bleeding-edge.

>>60533451
>2017
>3gb ram

ramlet

>>60533451
nice

>>60533451
>3GB RAM
>not fully utilized
poorfag.

>>60533451
>disgusting dash
>bloatgnu
>compiling everything on your computer in 2017

>>60536471
>"using" Linux isn't primarily about dicking around with the OS itself rather doing other stuff on an OS that just werks and doesn't get in your way (let alone, than being productive in a way, shape, or form)

>>60539670
>implying systemd is somehow mandatory in "serious" Linux

Linux had replaced commercial Unix in most professional appliances many years before the idea of the systemd mostrosity ever even dawned in Poettering's head.

>>60543244
Please do enlighten us how a "modern" Linux distro should look and work, from the boot process to the userland and everything.

>>60541807
>just don't globally enable ** or ~amd64
>too much finetuning
MY FUCKING SIDES

>>60543712
boot:efistub
userland:mksh,openrc,x11,plan9port/9base
c library:musl
compiler:tcc

>>60543875
>slow, incompatible, featureless, and doesn't boot
wooooow.........

>>60544028
>boots
>very fast
>bloatless
>compatible
wow. BloatNU BTFO.

>>60543145

If you use keyword ~amd64 you get way edgier than most distros.

>>60533451
>still using GNU

>>60533451
>best distro
>still running on gcc 5.4
>in the meantime gcc 7.1 is out
no thanks

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>>60537509

cat file > file_copy

where is your god now

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>>60544758

Puta que pariu!

>>60544821
El problema puede causado para la paella

You can shave off quite a bit of RAM usage if you ditched the WM and just loaded everything directly into X.

>>60535408
>2kb
>not 1b
nice botnet u hav here

>>60544946
Why X at all if there's screen or tmux

>>60544946
A window manager is pretty much necessary for a working desktop

>>60545238
>1b
>not 1 nybble
do you even lightweight bruh

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For a few hundred mb more, you can get something that doesn't require severe autism to use.

>>60539670
Wall Street actually unironically uses Gentoo.

>>60547142
>a nibble
>not just a bit

kek

>>60539670
fuck.
ask your parents why youre so retard

>>60533451
What the fuck can you even do with this ... thing i guess?

Quite serious question though, never understood "what can / does this do"

>>60548821
You can fuck around in the filesystem using commands n shiet

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>>60534769

>>60534582
>uses source based distribution
>uses binary packages
hmmmmmmmm

>>60550174
It's almost like you can configure all the source packages as you want them, and also install a few or many binary packages.

>>60550174
http://gentoo.no-ip.org

>>60544758

man cat | grep Stallman
       Written by Torbjorn Granlund and Richard M. Stallman.

>>60550224
You can do this actually

>>60536776
He didn't invent it. Just did an independent implementation.

>>60546928
Why screen or tmux when there is a serial console?

>>60536463
nobody can hit the like button on your post here facebook man

>>60550720
>no-ip.org
I knew gentoo users where neet failures, but I thought they could afford $2 for a .com domain

>>60550224
so gentoo is arch without redditors now?

>>60543875
what web browser

>he thinks bloat is only about RAM
>he completely overlooks his bloated package manager written in Python

>>60550839
>writing a meta-buildscript in C

>>60550850
>over 100000 lines of code
>just a meta-buildscript!

>>60550821
I've googled a lot of issues using vfio and I've found reddit very helpful.

>>60541807
Unlike Arch, Gentoo is not a "bleeding-edge" distro. Don't talk about shit you're clueless about.

>>60550821
Dunno if some still use it?

But Gentoo.org never was an organization run by any particularly noticeable amount of Redditors.

Almost everyone published on Gentoo and their own blogs and stuff, not Reddit.

>>60550839
This. Portage is absurdly slow.

>>60550839
> Have a package manager deals with just about every source code management tool, archive type and build tool in existence
Wow, there is some code associated with doing that, who'd have thought?

>>60535403
>low-end desktops
Nigger please. Compiling shit on a low end desktop is a nightmare.

>>60551189
> Compiling shit on a low end desktop is a nightmare.
Not particularly if we mean modern gayming low end rather than 15+ years old. Modern "low end" is easily fast enough to do a bunch of compiles.

Plus nobody says you actually have to use the same machine to compile - distcc and icecream and such exist, as do binpkgs.

[You can let your fast machine cut the binaries down in dependencies to the extent you care about, and then run them on your slow machine.]

>>60551189
It's easily done overnight

>>60539927
cross compiling is a thing

>>60551267
>Plus nobody says you actually have to use the same machine to compile - distcc and icecream and such exist, as do binpkgs.

Oh so it's good for a distributed computing cluster made up of several low end desktops.

>>60551350
No easy is click, click, click...done in 20 minutes.

>>60539562
>Web in 2017 is indeed far more advanced
Yeah now I can ads targeted to me based on what a multi-billion dollar international botnet thinks I will buy complete with its own malware and automated information feed to surveillance agencies in several countries. So advanced. Much powerful.

Yeah I think I'd rather have the browser that I ran on a machine with a total of 1GB of RAM rather than the one that uses 1GB.

>>60533451
I'll use it when computing sticks are the norm

>>60533451
>Best
>Gentoo


pick one and only one

>>60551572
> Oh so it's good for a distributed computing cluster made up of several low end desktops.
You could do that too.

But I kinda expect that you have one or more non-horrid machines somewhere in your network, even if your old machines might still be used as, dunno, the torrent box or web browser HTPC near your TV.

>>60533451
I don't have time to wait a day every time i need a new application.

>>60550174
Why wouldn't I use the binary package when compiling it gives me no benefit.

>>60547371
>something
>not nothing

heh

>>60551878
> a day
Eh, compiles aren't *that* slow in most instances.

I have a weak AMD 5350 running Gentoo and it takes under 4 minutes to compile mpv and ~80 seconds to compile spacefm.

Most compiles can use your eight or whatever CPU cores, so it'll be almost correspondingly faster on a regular /g/ay desktop machine.

Might actually be faster than installing software is on Windows (with going to website, finding download, downloading, clicking through installer...) in many instances.

>>60552227
I dunno,it took me like 8 hours or so to compile firefox. I think X was in the same ballpark. This was on a Celeron.

>>60547081
Lots of programs have a console version of it. A browser is the only thing I can think of for everyday use that you must use X11 for.

>>60552249
Firefox is admittedly far worse than the usual package and it gets annoying on potato machines.

88 minutes average here, though that is with whatever load it had each time - (I don't generally stop doing other things when it compiles).

You could selectively use firefox-bin if you don't need to adapt anything on that package - otherwise I guess you just throw more processing power and a tempdir backed by a SSD or tmpfs at it.

>>60533451
>29 MB footprint
Oh wow it's almost like I don't have to worry about my computer using RAM because I have more than three fucking gigs.

>>60552385
I guess. Too bad though, because apart from the compile times its a great potato os.

>>60534116
>>>60534086
>>twm
>thanks, I'll look into it

Also look into fvwm2. twm is very Spartan, while fvwm2 gives you a lot more options while still being slick like hell.

>>60552478
ok bby

>>60551177
>package manager 1/4 the size of systemd (100K lines of code vs 400K lines of code)
>does literally everything (i.e. doesn't do one thing and do it well)
>gentootards still rant about "muh systemd is terrible" "muh YUUNIX philosophy" "muh systemd is bloated and so convoluted nobody can audit it!
pacman is 1/3 the size of portage (30K lines of code, 150K if you include the langauge translation .po files which don't really count, yea 80% of the code base for pacman is translations because they don't add unecessary features)
it's written in C and does its job very nicely and being fast

>>60544898
>El problema puede causado para la paella
What the fuck did you just say?
"The problem could've been for paella"
Are you implying he was gonna make monkey paella?

>>60539861
you can go lower senpai
Xfce hit 100 on OpenRC with pamac disabled
step it up

>>60550737

dd if=file of=file_copy

 $ man dd | grep Stallman 
$

>>60552545
I guess you could repeat the exercise with Sabayon's equo / entropy or Gentoo's alternatives like paludis, pkgcore or whatever.

And maybe you still win at code golf against some of them.

But it's not like pacman has feature parity with portage or even runs equal queries considerably faster, so it doesn't even matter.

so.. does anyone ever actually do something other than endlessly fumbilng around their speshul system and occasionally watch diaper porn?

>>60552645
>caring about feature parity
Why use that euphemism for the term "bloat"?
The main thing is that pacman follows the UNIX philosphy: it keeps it simple and does its one job well
portage breaks the UNIX philosophy and at what benefit? better performance? no it's worse! and it gets feature creep and unnecessary complexity!
At least systemd can be justified by its performance benefits (like faster boot times)
portage is SLOWER while breaking the UNIX philosophy

>>60552654
> endlessly fumbilng around
You could, but why would you?

Generally you set up persistent configuration and just roll with it until you need something else (or upstream requires it).

>>60552545

Wait, wasn't Pacman written in bash and c by a php programmer? I think I even read somewhere, that the bash parts once were written in php.

>>60552747
maybe there comes a day when a gentoo/arch user makes more with his machine other than dicking around arch/gentoo itself

>>60536451
So go buy a chromebook or an android tablet sheesh

>>60552776
It's like 20K lines of C, 5K lines of Python 1K lines of bash, I don't know the history of pacman so I have no idea if the bash was ever written in PHP, but I'm glad they changed it at the very least
https://pastebin.com/31TZ8qn4
This is Portage by comparison:
https://pastebin.com/vxEHvsjT

>>60552877

Very interesting, thx. I know that portage uses a SAT solver to deal with dependencies. Does Pacman reasonably deal with them too?

>>60533451
>Not using CRUX
Mate you're not even trying to be minimal.

>>60552815
How much dicking around do you imagine to take place after you have arch set up to the way you desire it? It's not my fault you bought a fidget spinner.

>>60552911
I don't believe pacman uses a SAT solver like portage or zypper, pretty sure that package maintainers just have all the dependenciess listed in the pkgbuild (similar to aur pkgbuilds) and they let the package maintainers deal with dependency hell, and they probably use some kind of SAT solver to do their job

>>60533451
but how do I install it?

>>60552746
> UNIX philosophy
Portage is ultimately a suite of smaller helper tools. That's following typical Linux philosophy just fine.

Apart from that, muh UNIX tools are tools that do a fairly random a bunch of stuff related to one "business need" in reality. Neither Linux or UNIX tools had shit for a coherent philosophy or anything to do with minimalism.

> portage breaks the UNIX philosophy and at what benefit?
To actually be able to work with sauce code in all sorts of ways a sysadmin or programmer might need to work with.

The things pacman can't do because it's only really interested in doing the binaries. For creating, downloading, verifying and extracting which it takes these oh so few 30k lines of code.

I installed Gentoo once. It took 30 something hours because it compuled overnight.

I would install it again but I don't want to spend an entire weekend just getting from live image to a full install.

>>60553027

Okay. It looks there's at least a subcommand to show orphans so you can cleanup your system after some years of installing, upgrading and uninstalling stuff.

>>60553241
Yea, it doesn't use a SAT solver to do it though, it relies on the data that the package maintainer puts into the PKGBUILD

>>60553210
> I would install it again but I don't want to spend an entire weekend just getting from live image to a full install.
Start with Sabayon or such, or simply use a faster computer.

I think on the i7 7700k, I could be in xorg and watching porn from HDD in about 2h or so after stage3 (minus time spent configuring stuff).

Is there a reasonable installer yet? Are there any gentoo based distros that come with an installer? Not counting Sabayon, that distro is pure shit. Is Funtoo good and easy to install?

>>60553284
Sabayon looks promising. Have you used it yourself?

I would use Gentoo on my T420, so faster computer isn't possible.

>>60553355
you can compile on a different computer than you plan to run whatever program on friend

>>60550821
portage is superior in all ways to pacman

>>60553355
I tried Sabayon, and it was terrible. It felt like a commercial OS. A shit ton of proprietary software by default, and extremely difficult to get rid of all the proprietary software.

>>60553284
>>60553464

>>60553355
> Sabayon looks promising. Have you used it yourself?
Yes. Arguably it was mostly a secondary OS to augment Windows and on a laptop, but I've used it on the side for three or so years.

It's about what you'd expect. Binaries compiled from Gentoo, not entirely seamless but also not really problematic to use together with binaries you create with portage.

Installation is typical GUI stuff. Easy.

> faster computer isn't possible
If you have a desktop with Linux or a Linux VM you can actually run distcc / icecream in it for that T420, taking over a good bit of the compiles.

But it shouldn't be necessary if you use Sabayon with it's predominantly binary based approach.

>>60553419
I'm dumb

>>60553464
> A shit ton of proprietary software by default,
Like what? Almost the only thing you should get is some proprietary drivers, and even that was installer configurable last time I checked.

> extremely difficult to get rid of all the proprietary software
That is next to impossible. You can uninstall packages the same way as always (but actually with both portage and entropy) and also edit configuration as always on Gentoo.

Should have been trivial to remove things you don't like.

>>60553084
30k lines is really good senpai
Only package manager I can find with less is sorcery at 20k lines

>/g/ is so full of normal fags that they insult OP for what any technology enthusiast would find at least interesting

I miss the old Internet.

>>60547260
sauce or bullshit

>>60533464
Ayyy

ganoo

>>60551667
>it has more features but can be used for bad, so it's bad!
it's almost like deep down you don't want to have a computer or tv or an economy in general

>>60553820
We already know all about Gentoo through years of contant memeing. Nothing about it is interesting anymore.

>>60540062
>root

>>60554111
https://lists.gt.net/gentoo/user/236447
and
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2510334/financial-it/how-linux-mastered-wall-street.html
This article is old but it's a confirmation.

>Linux also offered financial firms the ability to modify the source code to further speed performance, Lameter said. "It depends on how daring the exchange is," Lameter said, noting that NASDAQ uses a modified version of the Gentoo Linux distribution.

>>60550826
surf

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>>60550737
Stallman stealing code as usual. http://man.cat-v.org/unix-1st/1/cat

>>60539562
We had Java applets in 1997 and they were typically faster than the mess that is Javascript in current year. Turing complete and everything, so you literally could do anything in 1997 that you can do today.

>>60558831
java applets =! javascript

>>60558861
nevertheless, the web was fully functional. Nothing has significantly changed but the placement of bloat.

>>60558861
I know, that's why I was careful to discern them.

>>60558883
I didn't see myself defending Java as the efficient and best solution but compared to how Javascript wound up, it's looking like it was much better. Also Javascript has just recently seen technologies like WebGL that we had in Java applets over twenty years ago.

>>60559017
Yeah but now anything > Oracle

>>60559052
There is Free Java anon.

>>60559599
And that's stopped Oracle from fucking with stuff when?

>>60559642
How has Oracle fucked with Free Java implementations?

>>60560034
Well they claimed the API was copyrightable, which fucked with everyone (including openjdk) but they would definitely put effort into it if java web wasn't completely dead and shit.

>>60535403
>out-of-the-box
out-of-the-box is nothing, you dumb fuck
you have to build it

>>60540062
>vm
really nigger?

Sabayon was good for me in 2010-2012 era. I use Gentoo now.

Funtoo is basically Gentoo with a git package manager instead of python. Every bit as hard to install as Gentoo.

I have been wanting to try out void linux as it doesn't require systemD and I've been hearing good things about it. Should be good for systems that can't use Gentoo.

>>60553464
Could you give me one example of what you mean by "it felt like a commercial OS" please?

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I'm ok with this, you can use a custom kernel on other operating systems to lower usage a little and speed up boot time a little.

I've been considering using something a little more customizable though, might try something super autistic like crux or maybe just void, idk

>>60561354
I honestly haven't found something I like quite as much as gentoo for a barebones system. I'd go with like a slackport or something but gentoo's just that much easier to manage dependencies.

>>60561602
desu the thing stopping me switching from arch is the aur, its too fucking good man.

>just compile it yourself
>just download a binary
nah fuck that noise aur is tooooo easy

>>60539562
it doesn't really have any more features in comparison to the 2008 internet
but it's significantly more bloated thanks to web developers using 20+ overengineered javascript libraries on a single site

>>60561610
Yeah, AUR is pretty fuckin amazing. Even on lazy grandma tier systems I go for opensuse cause OBS is like a shittier AUR.

>>60561637
It's worse than that since there's content (and malware) hosted on a thousand different CDNs to GET those javascript files and at your standard speed of light cost, that adds up huge.

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Sorcery > AUR

>>60561711
Yes