/tpg/ ThinkPad General - Based T430 edition

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>>60531151
First for based T430.

All xx30 systems now have coreboot as of 5/19/17:
https://review.coreboot.org/cgit/coreboot.git/commit/?id=714baa119b2ded203e148b381a4a3d1a74a91a68

Intel ME exploit was patched and released two weeks early for xx30 systems, update ASAP:
http://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds032435

There is LITERALLY zero reason to have an xx20 anymore. It even does coreboot better than the xx20 series.

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>>60531151
T430 is shit and you're a flaming faggot.

>went to laptop store
>they had a couple elitebooks and thinkpads
>all overpriced

oh well guess I'll stick to private sellers

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post your thinkpads boys

How come clitmouse is more precise when used with a thumb? My precision falls when index finger is used.

>>60531230
what OS? and what are the temps like?

>>60531263
I have never tried it with my thumb before, that was horrible..

>>60531178
>posting irrelevant images and irrelevant comments

>>60531225
to what?

>>60531280
arch with cinnamon. temps are normal. highest ive gotten was 70 i think

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Reminder

>>60531625
an electronics store that buys/sells used things

>>60531557
>fast processors in laptops are irrelevant
nice meme

>>60531825
>being this buttblasted because someone pointed out x220/x230 has no quad core option
oh lad

>>60532266
The T430 has the same processors you brainlet.

>>60532279
If you want a quad core on a 12" machine you're no better than apple children with their toys

>>60532282
T430 is 14,1". 2570p is 12,5". This picture is clearly about x220/x230 and 2570p.
I don't know why you're comparing 14,1" laptops to ultraportables, manlet.

>>60532298
It's 2017 kid, even 7" x86 tablets have atom quad cores in them.
>you're no better than apple children with their toys
please elaborate how this is even remotely related, brainlet.

>>60532306
Do you read what you type/quote before shitposting?

Filtered.

>>60532337
I do. My picture had nothing to do with your T430 shittop. It literally says "x220/x230 trash" on it you retarded monkey.

>>60532337
>filtered
>buhuu i'm out of arguments
>BAH! XD familia I'm filtering you now
nice intellectual skills you got there

>>60532349
That's exactly why it was irrelevant.

Are you autistic?

>decide my X220 is not libre enough, plus it has Intel ME, isn't even 4:3 and actually has a trackpad
>research older models, and options to get good screens and decent CPUs
>X61 with dock, 2GB RAM and shittiest CPU: £80, used 2.1GHz T8100: like £3
>fantastic
>now how about a better screen?
>fuck you, that's another £70

Why

>>60532279

While a quad core in a 12" form factor is an undeniably good thing, nothing can redeem the other shit factors of that machine. Its got too many cons for the few nice pros. Terrible keyboard, gimped trackpoint, little support for mods, not modular at all, looks retarded, for some reason has a 56k modem jack, etc, etc. I'd take the X230 over the 2570p any day of the week. If the only real thing is has to hold against the X230 is 2 more cores, it just won't be enough. A quad core in a X230 would be great, but at the same time when you want more power you also want more real estate to work with. Also no, docks are shit for the sake of this argument because you don't always work around places with a monitor and peripherals.

A 14.1" T4xx is still portable enough, the W5xx is where you obviously will have trouble physically fitting it in a bag if you carry other things.

>>60531825
At this point it's better to just filter "2570p" altogether since the autistic shitposter cannot control himself from shitting up every thread and has ruined it for everyone.

>>60532366
it is relevant to this thread. It is irrelevant to OP's shitty T430.
Are you retarded?

>>60532392
Maybe the screen is not used so you pay the full retail price for it

Got my first pad ever last month! It's a 420 and I am so impressed with how well it's working out! I bought it for web development and /comfy/ browsing. The touchpad locks every once in a while, is that normal? If anything, it's pushing me to use the clit mouse more. It's a little awkward, but I'm sure I'll get used to it

>>60532417
>repeating memes over and over again while being proven wrong for milions of times
Here's your kudo point, shill.
>terrible keyboard
same level as x230. It's very nice to type on.
>gimped trackpoint
which part is gimped? Because it has the same rubber as thinkpad and it's more accurate.
>not modular at all
what did you mean by this? Elaborate
>looks retarded
lol, sounds like (You)r opinion.
>having 56k modem jack is considered bad now
kek. Noone is forcing you to use it. If you have a half of brain you'd easily found a use for it.
>docks are shit for the sake of this argument
Nice logic. Daily reminder that x220/x230 overheats in dock because it blocks fan inflow. 2570p doesn't have this problem because of superior cooling capable of handling quad cores.
>A 14.1" T4xx is still portable enough
>still implying your personal opinions and preferences are somehow superior
kys nigger

>>60532555

Why do you even come here? Do you like arguing and being assfucked in every thread, every day? Why so autistic? There's a reason HPs are cheaper and less in demand than X230 machines you know.

Nobody wants them, they're trash. If they weren't shit, people would be all over them like X230/X220 laptops. Prove me, and the market wrong. Go ahead and try you dumbfuck HP buyers remorse handicap.

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>>60532607
>ignoring all points
>calling it trash anyway
kek
>Go ahead and try you dumbfuck HP buyers remorse handicap.
why are you so aggressive? you almost made me cry familia

>>60531151
I own a Dell XPS 15 with a GTX 1050 because I want my gaymes

>>60532607
>Nobody wants them, they're trash. If they weren't shit, people would be all over them like X230/X220 laptops
Not him but you are obviously retarded if you think the market works like that.

>>60532638

>>"ignoring points"
>doesn't have any
>ignores my points
>won't tell me why the market is wrong
>won't tell me why nobody prefers the HP

Take your unwanted trash laptop to a HP general. Have a fun time replying to the 2 other people in the thread you sad cunt.

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>>60532713
>Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).

>>60532660

>they're cheaper
>they're also in less demand
>hurr not werk like dat duRr

Neck yourself.

>>60532748

I hereby revoke your welcome.

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>>60532756
>I hereby revoke your welcome.
you're the last person who ever decides about anything
>Neck yourself.
really makes you think, huh?

>>60532756
>>60532748
>>60532713
>>60532660

Can't believe this has to be repeated every thread.

The 2570p is fine. It is modular and significantly more moddable than the x230. Performance wise it wins hands down.

Where it fails is the style and comfort. Shit keyboard, shit trackpad, shit trackpoint, shit dimensions.

If you only care about raw power, the 2570p is the easy choice. If you care about anything else at all, you want the x230.

What isn't fine is this turbo autist shitting up every fucking thread and baiting everyone into derailing it, hence why >>60531825 had to be made.

Filter him and move on.

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>>60532756
ayy lmao

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>>60532818
>you want the x230
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/CPU-overheating-x230/td-p/990561
http://www.fixya.com/support/t17639364-lenovo_thinkpad_x230_2320_laptop_x230
http://www.tomsguide.com/forum/77968-35-lenovo-thinkpad-edge-overheat-shutdown-issue
http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/threads/lenovo-x230-i7-3520m-overheating.72157/

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>>60532818
>implying glass touchpad with two physical buttons is somehow "shit" when compared to plastic abomination in x220/x230 with 1 (ONE) button
>inentionally ignoring the latch present in elitebook that x220/x230 doesn't have and will never have
kek

>>60532906
>ignoring neutral posts that try to help him argue his point but with less autism

You're really not helping your case.

You are actually autistic.

>>60532805

>pulling up global marketshare figures for entire company products, ie, the trash $400 Walmart machines that make up 80% of HP's revenue
>in the discussion specifically of the 2570p versus the X230

Can you get any fucking dumber? Which out of Lenovo and HP have a higher percentage of business machine shipments?

>>60532819

>this retard goes one step further and pulls 2016 numbers, even more irrelevant in a time when HP make EVEN LESS business laptops.

I don't know how people can be THIS utterly fucking stupid.

>>60532921
>neutral posts containing lies and misinformation used to bait people into buying lelnovo shitpads
How am I autistic? Do you feel mad after being proven wrong?
You lenovo shills get so easily triggered when actually proven to be wrong. How about instead of shitting this thread with memes and "le filtering" shitposts you engage the actual discussion and defend your chink company product?
I hope I don't have to reminder anyone that lelnovo is a chink company while HP is purely American. You're a commie subhuman if you buy their backdoored shit.

>>60532929
>that make up 80% of HP's revenue
[citation needed]
>>60532929
check this image again, kid. It clearly shows data for both 2016 and 2017.
>make EVEN LESS business laptops.
[citation needed]

>>60532906

What are the downsides to latchless laptops? I'm sorry, I don't fucking skydive to work. My laptop never has little backpack gremlins trying to pry open my screen. The glass touchpad, objectively superior yes, trackpoint and button size/placement, no. Overall its a tie for the mouse inputs alone.

>>60532954
Nobody gives a shit about arguing with you when all you do is act defensive and immediately shitpost at the start of every. single. thread.

seriously, kys before you shoot up a school because they use the "wrong" kind of laptops

>>60532977
>What are the downsides to latchless laptops?
Are you seriously asking me this question?
Ask x61/x200/x201 users why old thinkpads are superior towards sandy bridge and newer trash. Latch does fucking matter when you actually travel a lot and you treat your laptop as a tool.

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>>60532996
>seriously, kys before you shoot up a school because they use the "wrong" kind of laptops
Lmao. You're literally a chink seller entering full ogre mode after being proven wrong.

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>>60531230
>tfw crumbs and shit under the right trackpad button that i will never get out from when i let a family member use it for an extended period of time

ban the fanboys I say

>>60532548
You shouldn't use the touchpad lol
I got my X220 like a couple months ago and now I miss the trackpoint whenever I'm using a different laptop.

I think the key difference is the movement style. With a trackpad, you move straight towards the target, and stop exactly on it. With the trackpoint, fast straight lines are harder, and there's a little bit less responsiveness in the rubber dome (compared to insant responsiveness when you lift your finger off of freeze it in place), so for me it helps to think about imparting momentum to the cursor, and/or moving in curves/arcs that aim where I want to go.

It's all practice though, before long you'll never take your hands off your keyboard and you'll wonder how you ever managed with having to move your entire hand whenever you wanted to control the cursor.

Any key places to find batteries in EU?

(or is it just standard shit like amazon)

>>60532977
Latches are just inherently comfy.

>>60532906
You have a point about the AIDS-infested trackpad on the X220, but no middle trackpoint button on the elitebook is just a deal breaker. Not to mention that the elitebook's trackpoint sucks ass.

>>60532975

You clearly don't know much about the company you're trying to defend. HP's going to split soon as a company, that's how bad it is, their profits are tanking and they're going to half one half focused in enterprise services and the other focused on gimmicky $2000 laptops named after James Bond movies that nobody buys other than YouTube reviewers. I ask again, out of HP and Lenovo, which company has a higher shipment to the business and enterprise laptop sector? Can you answer that for me? We both know what it is but I just need you to openly admit it.

>and 2017

Yeah I see that, its not worth commenting on. When I say 2016 numbers, I can obviously fucking see the other irrelevant column. Nothing really changes between those years, so I say 2016. Is English not your first language or are you just an autist?

>>60533015

>I ask a simple question
>I want the person in their own point of view to describe the answer to me
>W-WHAT? WHAT ARE YOU ASKING ME FOR ASK SOME OTHER OWNERS OF OTHER MACHINES IT DOES MATTER BUT I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU WHY

Pathetic.

>>60533073
>You shouldn't use the touchpad lol
of course you shouldn't. It's made of cheap plastic and it gives you permanent finger cancer after 5 minutes of use. So behave like a good lenovo shill and disable it in BIOS pretending touchpads are for normies anyway.
>#justlenovothings

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>>60533051

>>60533111
They already split, that was years ago.

>>60533098
>Not to mention that the elitebook's trackpoint sucks ass.
Why? Can you elaborate on how increased sensitivity range (configurabe in driver) sucks ass?
Unless you're talking about the cancer hp rubber it has by default, then to your information: trackpoint supports thinkpad rubbers too.

>>60533112
I disabled mine in xfce then enabled it later for whatever reason. It's still enabled, but I never end up using it.

Macs have objectively the best trackpad I have ever used, but if my work mac had a trackpoint, I'd never use the trackpad.

>>60533133
no middle mouse button

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>>60531230
Shitty pic but here you go

>>60533111
>I ask a simple question
Ok, so here it is: secured, closed laptop in your bag prevents various items from entering the space between screen and keyboard potentially fucking up your screen It does matter to people who, again, transport the computer to places outside of your parent's basement.

>>60533178
But this has nothing to do with trackpoint. You mean trackpoint buttons, right?
Again, touchpad is GOAT in 2570p and you can dedicate it to double finger scrolling. A lot of people prefer scrolling this way because you use less force to do so and you can use additional gestures.

>>60532906
>chinklet keyboard

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously though, I'm jealous of the lid latches, but I'd never use that keyboard, not to mention the inexplicable lack of a middle mouse button anywhere. How do you scroll comfortably on something like that?

>>60533247
>How do you scroll comfortably on something like that?
>>60533243
>but I'd never use that keyboard
good, so haslel and never thinkpads are also a deal breaker for you. One day you'll have to accept the new standard and just buy a shitlet laptop.
I've already used to this keyboard. :)

>>60533243
>But this has nothing to do with trackpoint. You mean trackpoint buttons, right?

wat

u seem confused

>>60533323
>newer thinkpads are also a deal breaker for you.
Yeah they are. Why do you think I'm on an X220 and sizing up an X61

>One day you'll have to accept the new standard and just buy a shitlet laptop.
Or not? You can still replace pretty much every part of an old thinkpad. Core2duos are still perfectly fine for light tasks today, I'm sure my 2nd gen i7 will still be relevant for years.

For intensive tasks I have a desktop. I also have a "gayming" laptop for when I need good specs away from home, but it's not comfy and not made to be - chiclet is fine for using WASD in games.

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>>60533323
>One day you'll have to accept the new standard and just buy a shitlet laptop.

Really makes you think.

What's the cheapest (and oldest, probably) thinkpad tablet that's not a massive monster and where I can browse the internet without much hassle (HD videos are not required, but a plus).

x61t? or something along those lines? Should I go for a x200 or x201?

>>60533432
Wow, you are seriously trying to compare overclocked 4 core mobile cpu with lack of express card lines to a stock 8 core desktop cpu. Do you want a prize?

>>60533690
x61t yeah.

You could go even older by I can't vouch how comfy even stuff like internet browsing or shitposting becomes at that point. I mean you can always use some meme browser like links (or emacs lol) but that's probably not what you had in mind.

Though you could always get some chink tablet at that point - like an actual tablet (and maybe throw in a tablet keyboard if you really want). Ask yourself whether the thinkpad keyboard is worth the shitter specs and added bulk and added age+wear on the hardware.

Personally I'd say an X220 is fantastic for everything and absolutely worth getting over a chink tablet. You can do basically anything on it, except graphically intensive games (because intel graphics lol). Pretty sure I could run TF2 on low if I tried on this thing. That's the sweet spot for me personally - not overkill, but enough breathing room for basically anything I'd realistically need. So if you're willing to consider spending a bit more, an X220T would serve you well.

>>60533690
don't get a tablet

>>60533899
Why?

>>60533208

Nobody puts their laptop in the main larger space in a backpack with a load of fucking tiny random shrapnel. Laptops are in bags in one of two ways; either in a sleeve within a main compartment, or naked in their own separate compartment. I wonder why I don't hear of this laptop screen damage epidemic? Isn't everyone throwing their laptop in a bag with random little bits of metal and sand? Try again retard.

>>60533907
they are fatter than the non-tablets, worse specs, worse batteries, worse hinge, way too big to be a real tablet replacement, mediocre screens

>>60533990
>mediocre screens
>tablets often have IPS screens whereas non-tablets with IPS either don't exist or are rare as fuck
Explain

>>60534009
He's just memeing.

>>60534009
just because it's IPS doesn't mean it's good, also increased power consumption

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>>60534023
I own an X220 tablet

>>60534027
It's usually better than TN though.

Power consumption is a fair point but he did already sau worse battery life

>>60533973
>Laptops are in bags in one of two ways; either in a sleeve within a main compartment,
You forgot to mention this is how YOU carry your shit. That's probably because all you take to school is your autistic thinkpad and your fedora in your le MLP branded bag.
You're the worst kind of tpg cancer. You try to justify every single lenovo marketing decision. Latch was very useful in x201 and I clearly remember tpg crying over it's removal.

>>60534045
I already own a x230, a t430 and an 8470p.
I want a tablet so I can have at my work.
I won't do anything graphically intensive, I just want something smallish with pen input that's cheap. A thinkpad tablet fits the bill.

How rare are 1050p x60t/x61t's?

>>60534045
I bought a 2 in 1 shampoo and conditioner.

Never again.

>>60531230
That pape on the left!
Can I have it? I can't find it anny bigger than 300x200 -__-

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>>60534122
ahem nevermind

Are chinkshit thinkpad batteries a mistake? It seems really tempting to buy a replacement battery that isn't $100.

>>60534097
the tablets are bigger than the x230, they are basically the same size as the T430

listen to this >>60533874
>though you could always get some chink tablet at that point - like an actual tablet (and maybe throw in a tablet keyboard if you really want).

selling my 2015 mbp 13 and buying a t470 today

hopefully that precision touchpad is dank

>buying chink shit
>not buying european/american laptops
enjoy you're chink botnet.
lenovo laptops are known to contain superfish backdoor in BIOS and to be infested with bloat provided For Your Experience(TM) by Lenovo

>>60533051
Try an old toothbrush

>>60534096

>You forgot to mention this is how YOU carry your shit.

No, its how everyone carries their shit. Sleeved laptop or compartment. Nobody does what YOU do, which is be a retarded toddler throwing a bare laptop in a compartment of shrapnel.

>>60534327
>everyone is like me! buhuuu
typical tpgfag

>>60534420

>I don't see what people do because I neither work nor attend university

Ironically, you are the typical /tpg/fag.

>>60534445
>you need to carry a laptop in a sleeve bag or in a backpack like me or you don't exist!
nice logic you got there

>>60534463
You need to carry a laptop in a padded sleeve bag or you're an idiot. I'm sure there are people who don't, but a latch is the least of their worries.

>>60534480
I don't know why you imply everyone's backpacks are sterile and everything is always perfectly organised inside. You're probably too retarded to even realize a lot of backpacks got only one section.
kys

>>60534534
>I'm careless so everyone else must be too!

>>60534534
Whoa, there's no reason to sperg out. Just buy one of these if your backpack doesn't have a laptop sleeve.
https://www.amazon.com/Sleeves-Slipcases-Accessories/b?ie=UTF8&node=335609011

>>60534463
>>60534534

Listen you dumb fuck, people who carry laptops every day get a bag with a laptop COMPARTMENT right against the back padding, all their other shit goes in the main compartment. If not, they get a sleeve. How is this hard to understand?

>>60534534
You should have been aborted since you're clearly braindead

>>60534662
>>60534640
>>60534580
>>60534563
butthurt samefag :D

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>>60534718
neck yourself

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>>60534718

>can't accept that people think he's a spastic.

>>60534718
I'm sorry your parents have never told you that you were in the wrong

>>60534729
>>60534740
>>60534803
>butthurt because not everyone as the same type of backpack as (You)
kill yourself

/g/ needs IDs.

>>60534845
no one here is butthurt or cares about how you treat your stuff

>>60534906
So true, that's why this thread is shitted with pointless (You)s, right?

>>60534895

Flags too, so I can spot the 3rd worlders and ignore their input on the state of tech.

>>60534912
it's the part where you assumed everyone else is like you

>>60534936
But I got 2570p with no latch. Why do you think I give a shit about it?
I just noted you can have it in elitebook via transplanting palmrest and screen bezel, while x220/x230 can't have it. That's all.
This fucktard asked me why would I want to have a latch, so I said why there are people who wants this.

What's so hard to understand you massive retard?

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>tfw you made the right decision purchasing a t430

>>60534971
>tfw you're a mentally unstable trap who begs for attention on anonymous board for losers
shameful

>>60534971

>cumstains next to mouse buttons
>degenerate mentally ill cross dresser

Nice one.

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>>60531151
How do you extract these files from the BIOS update?

DOES THIS MEAN COREBOOT CAN BE INSTALLED ON A T430 WITHOUT AND STUPID RASP+TEST CLIP FLASHING?

>>60535216
NO

GET FUCKED

YOU HAVE TO FLASH IT WITH HARDWARE

>>60535216
>>60535235
Coreboot wasn't compatible with the T430 at all before.

All xx30 and over systems do a check to see if the BIOS being written is signed properly, and tells you to fuck off if it isn't. There's no getting around the initial flash.

Once you install coreboot though, further custom BIOS updates don't require hardware and can be written with flashrom and the software interface.

>>60534204
all of thinkpads are older than 6 years
checkmate

>>60532846
Anon you didn't even try
You don't even deserve a bait pic

>>60532906
>literally hasn't learned anything from this neutral post and xsauc calling him an autist and that he needs to stop derailing every thread
Please take your shitty hp and leave. You almost had us fooled enough to buy one and put it into the pasta but you have to go now

Will this fit in my T420?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4RE5N32027&cm_re=intel_7260-_-33-106-240-_-Product

/newfag/ here. What do you guys use thinkpads for? Programming or general business/workplace tool?

>>60535507

everything, but mostly shitposting and watching chinese cartoons

also ricing is a way of life here

>>60535507
for computing

>>60531178
>he needs a power hungry workstation-tier quad core CPU in a 12.5'' ultraportable
I bet you have a 20 core Xeon in you smartphone, too.

Which is the better deal for a T530?
i5 3210M 2.5GHz 8GB RAM 320GB HDD nVidia 5400M - $255
or
i5 3320M 2.6GHz 6GB RAM 128 GB SSD Intell HD 4000 - $245

>>60535526
^

>>60534971
>chicklet keyboard with shit layout
swap it for a xx20 keyboard
swap it this instant

Hi /tpg/!

I'm currently using a 13" MBP (early 2011) that I bought new that year. It's still running quite well, although I had to switch from macOS to linux due to performance issues.

What would be the best thinkpad to upgrade to for me? I've been going back and forth looking for x/T420 models and and the current line.

>>60535721
Please respond

>>60535773
xx20 is obsolete unless you are so lazy you don't want to do the keyboard mod, or are poor.

Get the T430.

>>60535806
The bottom one of you don't need graphics. If you do both are shit because motherboards are hard to swap and the top deal sucks dicks.

>>60535773
X220 for the Real ThinkPad Experience™
X230 is better (faster), but keyboard is worse than xx20 series. It can be swapped, but requires some modding.
T420/T430 if you want something bigger than 12''.
Go for current line if you just want a laptop that vaguely resembles a thinkpad.

>>60535835
Can I play EU4 on one of them or both of them?

>>60535766

I'm going to anon. Waiting for my amazon order to arrive which still hasnt shipped for some reason. Have an HD ultrabay and more ram coming too.

>>60534204
>superfish backdoor in BIOS
that was for the ideapad (read it as: "home laptops").
They wouldn't risk losing their market share by putting ads.

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Which one gets me the most neet points?

Its gotta be the ultrarare eraser right?

>>60536063
They don't do it anymore. They barely even have bloatware anymore after that because they're too scared to do anything.

>>60535443
Bump

>>60536433
it will fit it will not work though

>>60536460
I have to install the BIOS mod that removes the PCIe whitelist right?

>>60534971
C H I N K L E T
H
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N
K
L
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I have a T520 and my screen stays turned off when I try to boot it. Help.

>>60535507
I have three machines:
- desktop for serious gaming, like modded Skyrim or Witcher 3 (theoretically, in practice it's been sitting without an OS for a couple months, and I forgot the BIOS password, and it's some shitty asrock where clearing cmos doesn't seem to clear the password kek)
- an asus laptop for when I need good performance that isn't tied to my desk - handy for e.g. playing TF2 or H1Z1 or some autistic shit like that with my friend when I'm over at his place
- an X220 for basically anything that doesn't need either of the above when I'm not at my desk, simply because while a 15'' 3.5kg laptop is technically mobile you aren't going to use it on your lap in any real situation.

So basically I use it for shitposting, programming, studying, autism cube in bed, stuff like that.
I've actually been using my phone a lot less now that I can use a proper screen and keyboard when on the couch or in bed or whatever.

>>60536568
>autism cube in bed
What?

Given all this talk about screen latches on the X220/30, it made me wonder - the X200 is 16:9 and has latches, can't you use its bezel? I'm assuming you can't otherwise it would have been mentioned, but why not?

>>60536605
Minecraft. Some distilled autism when I'm too tired for shitposting coherently

>>60536615
X200 is not 16:9 and does not share the same chassis

Can X220 bios be flashed without hardware memes? I thought that was one of its selling points over the xx30 but the only guides I found say you have to use hardware.

If it's possible, does anyone have a good guide on how to coreboot it?

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I think about buying epp discounted carbon or t But i am from yurop. Anyone has ever tried getting their through someone living americano? Have you sent it through post? Or did someone had to take it back for you? Any implications?

>>60536656
The whitelist removal is the only thing flashable without hardware memes. Coreboot is not because it's not a modified BIOS, it's a totally new one.

There's a reason the xx20 meme is just a meme.

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Is it just me that notices thinkpads everywhere after getting one or is it normal

>>60535879
Yes

>suddenly coil whine
Is it kill

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should i do it /g/?

>>60537235
Should you kill yourself? Yes.

The new models have surprisngly little in common with proper thinkpads. Go buy an edgy acer or some shit. Or buy a lenovo if you like. But that barely belongs here, if at all.

>>60537235
>xx70 series
It's like buying a generic normie laptop at this point

>>60537377
>>60537427
thing is, i want

>replaceable RAM, storage
>replaceable battery (i'll be getting the big 6 cell)
>nice precision touchpad with option of trackpoint
>thunderbolt 3 for egpu in the future

i'm coming from a macbook pro which is probably considered a generic normie laptop

I have a maxed CPU/ram T460S
I Actually like not carrying bricks around..

>>60537606
All of that is available on older models, except swap TB3 with ExpressCard for eGPU.

>>60537606
>>60537624
I agree though with >>60537377, if those are the only reasons you're considering that model you haven't done your homework and should kill yourself immediately.

getting my first thinkpad, thinking ThinkPad X1 Carbon (5th gen) - thoughts?

>>60537675
It's okay, probably one of the better new gen ThinkPads.

Surprised the X1C doesn't get brought up much here.

The first gen carbon can run coreboot now though.

>>60537686

is the ThinkPad P40 Yoga Mobile Workstation
good? I wanted something with a really good screen.

>>60531156
Do I need to patch ME if I'm running linux?

>>60537710
Yes, unless you have CoreBoot.

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Lads, will an x230 tablet battery work with a x220 non tablet? I might get another thinkpad and I have a broken x230t and I'll save some money by buying a HDD less and battery less x220

>>60537761
no

>>60537786
Fuck. What about a non tablet x230

>>60537890
no, tablet and non-tablet things are not compatible

>>60537634
is there anything really wrong with the new thinkpads? they seem sturdy, i like the new style of keyboards and find them comfy, and it has the features i want.

i could go for the XPS 13 but it would be more expensive and less upgradable

the Precision touchpad is not available on the older thinkpads

>>60538003
Price, and some of the newer ones (The T470/T470s in particular) has some really mind boggling nonsense going on like being the only refresh in the series with no updates other than a processor bump and weird port mismatches compared to the other refreshes. Shit like the T470s has two separate internal batteries and a single soldered on RAM stick.

It's a mess.

>>60538026
what's wrong with the plain T470? the S sounds like some real bullshit with the batteries and RAM, but the T470 has 2 free RAM slots and the standard one internal, one external battery layout characteristic characteristic of the newer-ish thinkpads

if you know of anything really bad about the T470 or have alternatives, i'd be willing to consider them before i hit that "buy" button"

>>60538003
There's nothing necessarily WRONG, per se, compared to other laptops. They just lack a lot of the appeal of the older models.

>touchpad
Another big reason to go for thinkpads in general is the trackpoint.

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found a w530 with quad-core i7, nvidia, and 1920x1080 screen for $300, downside is that it's kind of beat up

should I or nah, I haven't paid much attention to thinkpads or their prices in a couple years

>>60538044
QC issues, the screen only goes up to FHD (and starts at 1366x768) while the T470s gets 2K.

And of course the same thing that's been wrong with T4xx series since the T440 - shit dual core CPUs at a premium price.

>>60538059
the option to use a trackpoint hasn't been taken away at all! i'd consider practicing and using the trackpoint, but i like having a nice touchpad with native gesture support

I'm getting it for like $700 with the FHD screen and big battery - planning on throwing in SSD and more RAM later.

>>60538076
my range to purchase is around 700-800 so the T470s is a little expensive for me

i don't mind not having 2K, 1080p is enough for me

as for the CPUs, that's just the norm at that size and form factor i guess

dell has the lattitude with a quad core and TB3, but it's $1000

>>60538085
If that's what you want - you did mention you like the newer keyboard style, and you come from a macbook - go for it. I use a "gaming" laptop for when I need more horsepower than my thinkpad can provide, for instance.

But bear in mind that if that's what you're looking at, Lenovo offers very little to make it a must-buy. Do shop around other brands, compare prices. My asus has way better specs (i7-6700HQ and GTX 960M, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD and 120GB SSD) and was barely more expensive. It does probably have worse battery life though, due to bigger screen (15.3'') and higher TDP CPU, and lacks some features like WWAN and, of course, the trackpoint.
What I'm trying to say, though, is the "thinkpad meme" is only for old thinkpads. Get a new one if you like, but because you carefully considered your options and decided it was best for you, not because you fell for the thinkpad meme.

>>60538063
which nvidia chip is in it?

>>60538195
NVIDIA Quadro 1000M 2GB, I think

>>60538208
for $300 it's not too bad of a deal, what processor does it have?

the issue is that the quadro 1000m is the same used in the W520, so unless the processor is a step up, you're paying more for a machine with the same guts as the W520, just a different keyboard

>>60538188
I did have a T400 for a short period of time, and it was a nice laptop for what it is. I don't care about the "thinkpad meme" though. The thinklight, 7-row keyboard, IBM logo are not motivations for my decision. i get that it's not going to be like the old ones

>TB3 (may pick up an akitio node later on to give eGPU a try)
>decent repairability
>spill-resistant keyboard
>precision touchpad
>hotswappable batteries

>>60531178
/Thread

>>60538232
Lenovo did not put and Quadro 1000m in the laptop.
Least it could is the k1000m, and he still gets the ivy bridge processor.

>>60538208
>>60538063
Post the mpn/product ID (bottom of notebook)

>>60538232
i7-3740QM

the listing doesn't actually say any of the specs, but there is a picture of the model number "2438-56U" so that is what I'm going off of, apparently lenovo's website does not want the second half of the model number anymore and does not want to tell me the exact specs

>>60538254
>>60538269
ah, refer to this other poster, i forgot that the w530 line has at least the k1000m

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aha I figured it out, but it does not come with a hard drive

does the W-series have two 2.5" drive bays or just one + ultrabay?

Currently have an X220 and considering picking up a T430 or T440. Anyone have both and can list honest cons?

>>60538346
You mean T440p right

>>60531156
>Intel ME exploit was patched and released two weeks early for xx30 systems
It's an exe. How do run under Linux? I know bios patches work if you make a bootable USB, but those are given as an image.
>>60531156
>It even does coreboot better than the xx20 series
How is this possible given xx20 is older?

>>60538410
>It's an exe. How do run under Linux? I know bios patches work if you make a bootable USB, but those are given as an image.
Unfortunately I'm not sure you can... you may have to boot a Windows live USB to install it.

>How is this possible given xx20 is older?
More things work out of the box compared to the xx20 series. The T430 port is based off of the x230 port, which has had heavy development.

T420 onboard Bluetooth is dogshit. What do?

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>>60538331
after doing more research you can find elitebook 8570w and dell m4700 and m4800 and thinkpad w540's for pretty cheap too

don't know how hard I should try searching for a good deal I just want a desktop replacement

also apparently the thinkpad docks only support 2 displays even though the nvidia graphics should be able to support 4, despite the 'advanced' dock having all those video ports you can't use more than 2 at the same time what the heck

How can I lock my chink HDD caddy so it doesn't come out when shaking it hard?

>>60538718
you shouldn't shake HDD's

and the caddy should stay locked in just like the cd drive, if it's not play around with the latchy parts maybe something is obstructing it

>>60538511
>Unfortunately I'm not sure you can... you may have to boot a Windows live USB to install it.
Are you kidding me? What the hell is wrong with Lenovo?

>>60538644
7260 AC+BT

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Hey tpg

i have an X201 that has been upgraded to an early build of windows 8.1 enterprise

i would like to downgrade to windows 7 but whenever i click on recovery in the recovery settings to try and get the damn BIOS of the machine i just get a white screen

how the fuck do i install windows 7 on this thing? I can't access the BIOS. thanks!

>>60538966
get an 4gb flash drive or bigger

windows 7 iso

and this https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/windows-usb-dvd-download-tool

and then install windows

>>60539124

i already have a dvd install disk

i just want to know how to boot from it, its not letting me through the weird stupid windows 8 settings thing after hitting thinkvision.
I've got the base and dvd drive

>>60539149
google how to enter bios on windows 8

>>60539278

thanks.

i managed to install w7. it was a s simple as pressing f12 upon boot to select the correct device.

now that i have installed it the computer refuses to connect to the internet. I can see the network card in device manager but it shows an issue. wat do?

>>60539440
get wifi drivers from https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-Core-i5-2-5Ghz-4GB-250GB-Webcam-Win7-12-5-Last-Picture-S-N-/322523806563?hash=item4b17eabb63:g:KR8AAOSwIWVY9l2C

>shipping: $65

is this guy having a laugh?

yo saucey turn up the volume, can barely listen to the streams.

>>60539440
I'm not on my database computer but there is an intel 82xxx driver that is used on a wide source of computers.
get that and lenovo thinkvantage system update

additionally if you don't want ot install that bload get HWinfo
i like to run the portable file, usually it will show the CPU summany and then some window in the back. exit the cpu stuff and it should show all the devices on that second window
dig through all the PCI devices, you'll see bluetooth, wifi, and other misc components connected to that computer. from there you can download which exact drivers you want from lenovo or from the manufacturer

>>60538653
i think it is just a limitation on the dock itself.
Get an 8760w instead.
The good things about the Dell Precisions is that they have better, often easier, & usually cheaper GPU ugprades from Dell & Alienware being developed side by side.

>>60537701
Someone got it and like never talked about it
I forget if they went with a Yoga 15...

>>60537675
Good for you, hope you like it. I do want to get another X1 Carbon again

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>>60536988
It happens

And I also notice how many non touch computers have greasy fingerprints all over the screen...
Its so weird seeing attractive business ladies sporting them... usually they have a Dell or HP or Mac.

>>60536072
You tried
Also I heard old Trackpoints were purple or at least more purple tinted. IBM execs at the time didn't like red.

>>60535507
Sadly my chromebook pixel is used more for work than my T430s.
I have them to be comfy. All 25 of them.

>>60539762
Why don't they have a P71 with a built in wacom?

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>>60539762
They were never purple, not sure where you heard that.
I really need to get new pictures of this thing but i cant be bothered to dig out the camera to get more pictures of it doing fuck all.
I need to buy DOOM

Why has the OP turned into a bitchfest these last few threads?
Before it was the HP whatever that was actually a really good competitor for the x30 lineup, but because it got shilled in the OP of course it was a clusterfuck
now we got special titles about specific models

Thinkpads and other business laptops are not about fanboying and pushing specific models, its about an economical laptop choice for those on a budget. A T410 is a great laptop, as is a T420, 430, 440, and maybe higher if you have the money.

>>60531151
Dell e6440 > t430

>>60539791
because everything Lenovo makes is worse each successive generation.

However, the P50/P51 with 1080p touch screen actually supports an active pen, which might be useful if the ergonomics weren't horrible.

>>60539835
xDDDD

>>60539791
It was more of a "we can do this" kind of thing
a tablet surface that small isnt that useful outside of a few specific things, full screen touch convertibles are much more useful.
The W700ds was really just a machine to showcase what it looks like if you shove too many features into a laptop.

If you really need a touch interface with your laptop/mobile workstation, its a better option to just get a proper wacom tablet and carry it around, they arent that big and work much better than an itty bitty one.
And space and weight are out the window when youre already carrying a massive laptop and power brick, and the tablet itself is about as thick as maybe the lid on the average laptop nowadays.

>>60539852
two words
key
board

dell kept a proper non-chiclet spaced out design for much longer than lenovo, while its still kind of shit compared to proper keys, there is no big wide gap between them

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>>60539693
>17"
t-that's big!

apparently the Dells have superior cooling as well, two fans and more vents

>>60539853
The wacom pad in the W700/701 is actually super useful. The size is totally adequate for retouching photos and basic sketching, and it's much more convenient than pulling out a separate dedicated tablet.

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>>60539869
xDDDDDDDDD

>>60539852
You can put a quad core CPU on it, no WiFi and battery whitelist, 1080p ips display.

>>60539897
I know, isn't the T430 great?

>>60539897
A quad core Haswell cpu

Forgot that.

>>60539896
you know a laptops keyboard is shit when you have to do a swap on it to make it even remotely usable

thinkpads are the dominant laptop in these threads but they are not always the best
The x30 generation was shit compared to the models HP and Dell put out

>>60539904
The 430 needs moods, the e6440 itsiterally plug and play :)

e6440 >t430

Fact!

>>60539693
>>60539693

thanks

what a nightmare.

i've tried a whole bunch of drivers and i still havent been able to connect the damn thing to the internet. I'm trying the realtek ones now. I see an intel 82577lm and a realtek RTL8191SE. Im so confused.

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>>60539938
is this the new hp meme?

i dig it

are we gonna do macs next?
Macpad Air 2012 > t430

>>60539943
>New
You need to go back

Thinking of getting a Thinkpad (or other). I do some heavy computing and computing and my current laptop (4 year old i3 Toshiba) is starting to fail. No need for a dedicated GPU, unless you can convince me.

Just looking for something that can handle a decent workload, such as test a script before sending it to the main workhorses. Been looking at the T470 but open to suggestions. I am not very familiar with laptop CPUs so the difference between the 7500U and 7600U don't seem to be worth 100$.

Budget: Around $1000
Location: USA
Size: 13" or more
Performance: High?
Other requirements: I like a full keyboard. Long battery life is nice but not a requirement. FHD or more would be nice but once again not a requirement.

I'm gonna flash coreboot soon, do I need something for antistatic? Is a wristband enough? The only thing I'm doing is clipping the pomona clip to the bios chip...

>>60540052
T470

>>60540112
Just ground yourself.

>>60540052
Also a SSD+HDD combination would be great.

>>60540130
Thanks anon, it's sad I have a CS degree but know jack shit about stuff like this. I wish my school had had EECS.

>>60535766
fuck off with that meme shit. xx30 feels better than an xx20 keyboard

Just got a used t420.
Are there any tests I should do to test the machine?
It boots into bios and windows but I'd like to know if anything is fucked up.

How long does the T470 take to ship to the US?

>>60532548
There's an option in touch pad settings that will disable input to the touch pad for a certain amount of time during/after typing to prevent accidental touches. Maybe try messing with that setting

>>60535716
>it's bad to have resources you can use
I bet your phone is nokia n900 with 256MB ram because "noone ever needs more than 256MB for a smartphone"

>>60537606
>thunderbolt 3 for egpu
you're kidding, right?
I think you forgot how shitty this "U" i7 is. enjoy your 30% gpu performance because cpu shits itself with any load

>>60540445
check all the ports and connections, probably reapply thermal paste.

>>60535716
First off...
whats wrong with having a xeon in a smartphone?

>>60535773
You should get a ThinkPad, then get an SSD for your mac after realizing thats all u need

>>60539806
I agree
it is getting pretty bad
2570p now seem to be a twin turbo civic that makes a 1/4 in 8 seconds but the driver is still pissed the girl he likes isn't into him and the civic-fag sees she likes a dude who drives an ex cop Ford Crown Vic and thinks its real fucking lame without realizing they have a personality they lack.

>>60539897
>a computer built with next gen hardware happens to be better than a competitor with last gen hardware

I'll give the E6440 still went with the old design, and non shit touchpad vs the T440... but like its still the shit design of the sandy bridge E-Series, its not sleek like the E6400 or E6410.

>>60539940
looks like realtek is the wifi
just download both and see what happens :P

>>60539943
Slowly it'll become that.
Eventually we will be shilling the touchpad MBPs.

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Shit I had no idea the t420 was so heavy.
It seems so beautifully designed but fuck, I need to walk 80 minutes every day to go to uni and back and i'm gonna kill my back doing it.
God damn it, i've been memed.

x200 for $100. Looks tired. Should I pull the trigger?

>>60541843
no.
you can get "tired" ones for 50 bucks

>>60541765
DYEL?

>>60538762
>buy a computer that originally shipped with windows
>install some other OS
>complains when other OS can't do things the manufacturer designed for their computer
>>60539943
2012 15" macbook pro > t430

How can I install windows 7 with the license underneath the battery on my t420?

>>60531151
why should i not get the E470
it is currently on special for $950 AUD (-$650)

>>60539607
For me it's $140 lol

>X220
>idle: mid-high forties
>full load: low 80s instantly
>extended full load: high 80s - low 90s stable

Clean fan from dust, reapply thermal paste, do both, or do nothing?

>>60543255
>full load
do you count iGPU full load?

>>60542992
It's somewhat cheap, but probably worth the price.

>>60543274
Probably yeah.

An IMPORTANT detail I forgot to mention: that's throttled to 70%, so "full load" isn't actually full load. That completely slipped my mind when making that post. I went past 100 once before throttling.

rudepill me on the X240

Seconding a question from the old thread:
Do you think they are going to release a thinkpad T with an i7 7660U or 7560U? They offer better performances with the same TDP of the CPUs they use in the current models, and I really dig the integrated iris pro, especially since I would like to use higher res screens.

>>60543316
clickpad shit. just get X230

>>60531156
>zero reason
>chiclet keyboard

>>60541765
meanwhile I'm happily carrying a T530

>I need to walk 80 minutes every day
consider a bike

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>>60543394
>implying

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>>60543406
>T
begone peasant

>>60543406
What does the T5xx line do? I was only aware of T4xxs until now

>>60528565
Is this some meme in china?

>get response from the second seller

>Dear customer,
>So sorry about the inconvenience
>How about we refund you 3.0USD?We really feel so sorry about this situation.It is difficult to do a business online.So hope we can understand each other .
>Best regards.

It is not that difficult to just not advertise 4400mAh batteries as 5200mAh.

>>60543531
It's 15,6' compared to 14'' on T4xx.

>>60543366
>>60543406
Does the x220 keyboard in an x230 still have problems with some of the functions/keys?

>>60543562
Isn't that what Ws are for? Or is it basically a lighter W with worse specs and (presumably) better battery life

>>60543585
dunno about X220, but my T530 works perfectly with xx20 keyboard, save for Fn+F12 and Caps Lock light. I just had to flash modded BIOS. Same should be true for X230.

>>60543603
>lighter W with worse specs
basically, yeah. Ws come with quad core as standard, same for FHD display iirc. I think Ws also have double the ram slots compared to T-series.
T-series is a lot cheaper though.

Has anybody here tried fixing the speakers of a t420?
It's not really necessary but my left speaker doesn't work and I kind of feel autistic about it. Hopefully it's an easy fix.

>>60544073
Does it come on at times? Could be a loose connection.

>>60544073
Similar question. Has anyone ever heard of someone replacing the speakers on the x220/x230 with better quality ones?
I tried google but could only see people contemplating it and no actual builds.

The speakers on this are pretty awful, would love to get some better ones in here.

Is the X270 objectively any good? Disregard the price.

>>60544171
it's a good laptop, but not a good thinkpad

>>60544096
Oh shit now both speakers don't work.
I can hear a poppy sound coming from the right speaker occasionally though.
I'll see if a cables loose though.

>>60544249
it's probably the connector. I had the same problem on my old Toshiba. Contact cleaner would help if you have one laying around. Isopropyl should be fine too.

>>60544139
I don't think it's possible, anon.

>>60544457
Damn.

>>60544139
I actually swapped the speaker on my Nexus 5 for a SGS3 one. It's about 0.5mm thicker, but you can make it fit.
The thing is it sounds practically identical, probably because it's still in the same acoustic enclosure.

I'm guessing the same would happen with X220. Even if you did manage to take the plastic enclosures apart and find speakers that would fit in place of the old ones, I doubt if it would make a huge difference.
You'd need to 3D print whole new enclosures. Of course you'd have to design them so they would be better than Lenovo ones and fit in the space available in the X220/X230. Obviously you would need a 3D printer as well.
Seems like a lot of work for a little profit.

>>60535507
They're great laptops anon. Good battery life, great keyboard, good repairability, they're cheap because people are trying to get rid of them and they're super comfy. You should try one if you can

anyone here has the YOGA 720 15"?

beside its 2xpcie thunderbolt 3 it seems to be the best 2in1 laptop

7300hq + gtx 1050 for ~1100€

>>60544858
>2in1
>modern models

Get out of this thread

>>60544875
>implying x61ts weren't great

>>60544902
Not as good as X61s, and also how the fuck do you consider an X61 a "modern model"?

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Finally got my £58 T420, just needs a good clean. Did I do ok?

>>60544919
For some reason I read your post as

>2in1
Get out of this thread

>modern models
Get out of this thread


>x61s better
>no wacom digitiser
I got my x61t to half act as a budget cintiq.

>>60544875
whats the problem with 2in1?

>>60544922
> £58
Yeah, that's great. Make sure it's not locked.

>>60531151
>>Used ThinkPad buyers guide:
>http://ktgee.net/tpg
I just realised I have probably been reading this wrong for years. Are those prices for the thinkpad with all its working pats (battery, HDD/SSD, charger etc) or just for a "boots, untested" one?

>>60544977
Jack of all trades, master of none. A touch screen on a laptop is moderately useful (but in my personal opinion not worth the tradeoffs, e.g. price). A 2in1 sacrifices much more, such as specs, battery life, etc. While being much more expensive and usually still bulkier than a tablet.

Do you want good specs and a good keyboard? Get a laptop. Do you want a portable device with a tocuhscreen? Get a tablet, add a physical keyboard if you really want. Do you want neither? Get a 2in1.

>>60544981
I actually just picked it up and took that picture so it's all good my dude.

>work at a uni
>thinkpads, docking stations, chargers etc lying around all over the place unused
>some crappy dells are the standard issue
From what I understand they lease this stuff but man I want to find it when it is being sold because aside from a thin layer of dust, it is brand new. There's a thinkpad with a docking station and everything that is sitting on a shelf in my office that IT have never come to pick up.

>>60541765
>I wonder how heavier is compared to a T430
>the same
Anon are you some kind of manlet or something

>>60545003
Prices depend on the country you are living in.

>>60545051
Anon is walking 80 minutes. Plus whatever other textbooks or lunch or random crap he is carrying an extra 2.2kg becomes a burden.

>>60545044
He meant BIOS probably

>>60545046
Try asking if you can buy it from them.

There may be some autistic beaurocratic reason why you can't but there's also the chance it's just some guy responsible for it and he'll see that they're never actually being used and let you.

>>60545283
I am 90% sure they are leased, so I would have to find out where they are leased from and then contact them.

>>60543603
Only difference in specs is gfx and a raid controller.

>>60533084
chinksites

>>60540603
FUck you faggot
My computer has 256mb of ram.

>>60545003
It's outdated as shit, don't worry.

What temps does your t460s run at?

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>>60531151
any more like these?


very nice

>>60546444
I could probably convince my girlfriend to take one of these tonight.

>>60546457
>>>60546444 (You)
>I could probably convince my girlfriend to take one of these tonight.
thx, what laptop u have?

>>60546487
T430

>>60546843
kk dont forget

>>60541765
Get an over the shoulder bag, with a padded strap anon. I've carried my T520 with mine's to campus ezpz. Also you shouldn't have fallen for the **20 meme that isn't an X220. They're too thicc.

Also this >>60543395

>>60543255
Sounds normal anon.

>>60543316
**40 is a nay.

>>60547232
you mean a messenger bag? what are you a fag?

Feeling super hyped man. Replaced my dead keyboard on my x220 and now I'm looking for some other upgrades.
Also, should I buy a x220t for 20€ with broken screen?

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Should I be as paranoid as I am of wearing down the spiked touchpad?

Also, had a giggle when I googled "X220 touchpad" and first result was "X220: worst touchpad I've ever used | NotebookReview". I don't even use the touchpad, but brushing it makes me feel I'm fucking it.

>>60547355
i mean do you want an x220t with a broken screen?

>>60531151
NEW THREAD

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>>60547513
we're page 3 man, never been here before but do you always make new threads this early?

maybe the board's fast or the activity of this general wouldn't see many posts after autosage

>>60547524
No reason to keep an unbumpable thread alive.

>>60547538
It's not about having a reason to do so as much as not having a reason to do otherwise.

Sorry, don't mean to talk meta in an everyday general I've never been to, but like a new general might make another thread early cause they don't have standard traffic: only anyone who found the thread. So the numbers will dwindle after autosage.

But an established general might not see much change post or pre-autosage. So the time it's made wouldn't matter, I think. But an early one would be like, depends who cares enough to go for it.

>>60547265
Even considering >>60543291?

>>60547608
>>60547608
Tpg is full of lazy fucks who will complain if we let the thread die but only a few people actually create the threads.

Before I started creating threads, I'd see it dead for hours despite wanting to post, which is when I realized I needed to start making them since posting activity isn't an issue - ThinkPad users are just lazy NEETs

>>60547970
No shit Sherlock

>>60547970
That happened to me before too, except I'd never create a thread cause I'm insecure