Why dont they make a universal standard?

>>60527150
Sure, let me just fire up the furnace and hammer my plugs into the shape of where I'm travelling to.

it's easier for hotels to provide adapters than it is for the entire country to switch standards

I have never been to a hotel that gives you an adaptor for free.

>>60527130
Shucko is the universal standard. Everything else is for niggers and Americans (which are basically niggers)

>>60527245
your mom is a nigger fucker

>>60527245
Have you ever travelled to Asia? It's a lcusterfuck of plugs, one part of town can use American plugs and you can get on your bike and another part of town is UK.

Buying adaptors for China in particular is a living hell, Hong Kong uses UK, Mainland China uses Japan and their own plug and Taiwan uses NEMA 5-15.

>>60527289
Your point being that Asians are not niggers?

>>60527315
Some parts of the world are cool tourist destinations regardless of /pol/ speak. There is literally no point of having all these plug shapes given every other cable you would use in a modern household is a universal standard worldwide.

I suppose the only other thing is light bulbs which either come in Edison Screw or Bayonet fittings

>>60527130
>Buy those adaptors, which maybe cost 20c to make but charge 20 dollars for.
More like $1.
Just head to your local dollar store. Don't give a shit about quality, the internals are just two/three metal strips connecting the pins to the jack. Nothing to worry about unless you plug a 1000W+ heater into one.

>>60527355
I've had one of those cheaper adaptors catch fire before from simply charging an old Nokia phone in the early 2010s

>>60527385
Okay, maybe open them up as well to make sure they are decent strips of metal instead of thin wires soldered between the contacts.

Yes but what's stopping home appliances from using USB Type C or some other plug that can be adopted as a Earth Standard?

>>60527130
The europlug (CEE 7/16) can be used in all of Europe, and the grounded ones that you usually get (the CEE 7/7) can be used pretty much everywhere in Europe too.

>>60527173
Retard, just because there is a standard, doesn't mean people follow it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60906-1
Also, there is more to a plug than just shape, there is also potential difference and current of the power grid.

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Because unlike your devices which you throw away every few year, houses will have the same plug for the 100 years it's been standing. And it would cost a fortune to just switch them out when every building and device in an entire country uses one type of plug.

They'll never decide on one standard now, because the country that they choose won't have to shell out a ton of money to change all their plugs, giving them an economic advantage.

It is retarded, especially 110/240V. But just one of those things that's too in-grained by this point. Like electron flow vs textbook flow of electricity.

>>60527130
aust 3 pin and aust 2 pin are the same, the 2 pin just lacks the ground pin. there's no real difference.

>>60527425

Stop saying stupid shit...

>>60527637
And the China one is the same.
Japan is NEMA 5-15P, but most of the time they use NEMA 1-15P.

Argentina has Live and Neutral switched on the China/Aus/NZ, but in most cases they will be interchangeable.

BS 1363 MASTERRACE REPORTING IN

ALL OTHER SOCKETS/PLUGS NEED NOT APPLY WITH YOUR LACK OF SAFETY MEASURES AND FLIMSY CONSTRUCTIONS

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how the fuck is /g/ still having these threads

>>60527245
>>60527456
more or less this

>>60527837
"So I heard you fags will argue about anything" type threads are an old and time-tested method to get replies.

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why don't we all use universal SI units?

>>60527130
G is the best.
why wouldn't anyone want an extra fuse?

>>60527832
>>60527916
>relying on pins alone to hold the plug in
>not being able to reverse the plug
Just admit that Schuko is the best

UK plugs best plugs
Just don't step on them.

>>60528222
trips of truth

>>60528222
UK plugs are the best because of how they work. They breed strong men, with soles of steel who look where the fuck they look and don't leave plugs lying around since standing on that shit is worse than lego.

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LET THE MEME BE BORN!

>>60528239
Kill yourself. Preferably by stepping on one of these you faggot

>>60528249
:^)

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>people blaming UK plugs for being painful

No

>>60527130
WW3 should destroy enough infrastructure so a global standard can be implemented.

>>60527425
Yeah, let's run this 1000W microwave and 2000W washing machine through a thin usb cable, what could possibly go wrong.

>>60528442
I was just using it as an example.

>>60528306
>No blood
Probably bullshit.

>>60527130
who is "they"?

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>>60527130
Actually, most homes in China have multiple outlet types. Pic Related is at my grandpa's home, pretty much anything will fit into that.

>>60530095
This doesn't seem safe, but I know shit about electricity

>>60528249
>tfw stepped on one before

>>60527402
In that particular case it's more likely a clearance issue.

>>60527245
>Europe is the world
Typical ignorant euro-trash

Cost/benefit isn't there for a universal power standard
Power outlets have existed for far longer than globalization has been a thing, so they were never made with anything but local areas in mind
Changing over now would cause more short-run costs and problems than would solve long-term issues, the majority of which will likely sort themselves out as different methods of power delivery for laptops/phones become more standard (e.g. USB-C)
Non-portable electronics like desktops or refrigerators don't need a global standard, you're not going to haul one of those over seas for your vacation.
Now lets stop making these "My outlet is better than our outlet" threads, they're childish

>Denmark
:D

>>60527130
Can we all agree that there might be no right choice(while I favour CEE 7/7), but it's an objective fact that americans use the wrong one, with the wrong electricity too

UK Plugs best plugs

CEE 7/7 is the universal standard, for the civilized world at least. Other untermensch must die.

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>>60527130
Obligatory.

>>60527130
A, B, and Q are the same thing.

A works in US, Japan, Canada
B works in US, Japan, Canada
Q works in US, Japan, Canada

>>60530284
>America is the world
Typical ignorant Amerifats

>>60530284
>L'Amérique est tout le monde
Amérigras ignorant typique

>>60527130
CEEE is the standard for first world countries

>>60530753
This. Built like fucking tanks with excellent grounding.

>>60527130
British plugs are the best in the world.

>Fused
>Shuttered sockets
>Insulated pins
>Earth pin
>Fits flush to the socket
>Cannot be inserted the wrong way round
>Difficult to pull out by accident
>Sturdy as fuck

>>60531068
This.

Singapore also uses the UK plug master race

>>60531068
>>60531068
>Difficult to pull out
They are
>too big[for you]
>hard to pull out[like doggie knot]
>ugly
I like the itally one aesthetically.
You can fit more of those in less space and unplug them without using crowbar

>>60527130
The Universal standard should be the UK 3 pin system. It is the safest of all.

>>60531068
>So gigantic they had to give it moving fucking parts to make it smaller when not in use
Literally the worst designed socket in the world.

>>60531068
Also, if the wires are tugged out, the ground pin is designed to fall out last so all energy is safely grounded.

>>60530946
>>60530916
Samefag

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>>60531068
Yeah man, I agree. I love carrying around a plug larger than the fucking size of my charger.

>>60531801
>>60531990
>pluglets being this triggered

Every damn time. Every single time.
Brittish just wank off about their safety and how their super grounded special fucking sockets are the tits.

And they always forget that they run 230v which is fucking lethal and requires all that bullshit so you don't have retard kids sticking coat hangers in shit.

Meanwhile at America, we run 110v which is arguably non lethal in average home cases. So we don't have to get cucked with some 3 inch thick plugs that would make Jamal look short in the pants, and we can have some decent plug density.

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>>60532027
>defending american plugs and electricity

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>>60532010
>somehow finding that more appealing than this.

sorry man, i'd rather the smaller option when i toss it in my bag than some fucking brick.

also
>exif data rotation
i cucked myself

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>>60532045
Just stay mad.
Where's your portable power outlet that fits in your pocket?
Oh wait, it dislocated your hip

>>60532144
what for ? Vacuuming a forest ? Fuck off with your useless shit that produces inferior electricity

>>60532182
i ? like ? to ?? space out my punctuation , too !

it ' s nice to have portable power on the go . especially for charging laptops , or literally anything else you can image that requires mains power .

i have one myself , and it ' s saved my ass a few times .

>>60532182
Mostly for running a laptop with its oem charger.

>>60527130
Everyone should just adopt CEE.

>>60532045
Britbongs had the opportunity to re-engineer their plug in the 40s because they let the Germans bomb their infrastructure to shit while the US single-handedly won the war with some help from the Soviet Union.

>>60532027
One could argue that 230VAC allows for thinner wires and for a given output power, whatever you plug in will need less current.
Since what kills you is current through the heart, it all depends on how many KW does the generator output.

The skin has a lot of resistance and chances are that you can survive a shock in both 110V and 230V; but if you are unlucky you will die either way, only that you will have a worse death with 230V.

>>60530916
>>60530946
>live in co-opted America Israel vassel states
>claims America is not the world
how many US bases do you have?

>>60532460
The whole argument on lethality is just that. And its bullshit.

In a house, you're standing on carpet, and likely its one hand that gets the Pence. So the circuit goes through your body into the air, as well as, the carpet.

Due to the lower voltage, there will be half as much current going through you as with 230. And with such a poor path to ground, of course you will be fine with 110 in most cases.

It's with 230 and generally higher voltages that increase the efficiency of transferring to the air and carpet, as well as. More amps through the same resistance. So theoretically, it's a bit more then double the amps through you really.

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>he doesn't just buy a brand new iPad Pro to use whenever he arrives in a different country

>>60532492
around 56%

>>60530916
>Quarter of the worlds GDP
>Biggest military in the world
>Most influential culture in the world
Yeah I'd say we basically are the world.

>>60527130
Type I here.
We're gonna take over mang.

Because China.

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>>60532652

>>60527130
>Why dont they make a universal standard?

They did.
The result was that we now have one more competing standard.

Singapore has the outlets that let you put in most standards. I've only had to buy one adapter to keep in my bag for the odd U.K. standard still floating around at old shops.

>>60532700
>Biggest military in the world
no, no. that goes to Asia

>>60532395
>with some help from the Soviet Union.
>with some help
Yeah, opening the Western front when the result of war was determined is surely a win.

>>60532804
>Asia is a country
>>60532395
>"while the US single-handedly won the war"
>"with some help from the Soviet Union."

American education.

You'r

>>60532395
>US single-handedly won the war with some help from the Soviet Union.
>he actually believes that

>>60532963
neither is yurop nor it actually is USo'm

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>>60532700
>Most influential culture in the world
>burgerland

>>60532992
>Neither is Yurop
What is the European Union?
What are European Battle Groups?

We're making fun of you.

>all these butthurt non-Americans jealous of our cultural influence, military, technology, theatre/entertainment, and electrical grid prowess.

It's ok, you may have the "safer" plug but that won't console you from the fact that America BTFOs you in literally every other category, ever ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

t. A M E R I C A N

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>>60533153
btw mods please ban me

>>60533153
>America BTFOs you in literally every other category
name one that isn't related to cancerous mass produced "cultural" shit
i'll wait

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>>60527130
WHY DO MURIFATS STILL USE ANCIENT UNITS AND NOT THE METRIC SYSTEM?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

EVERYONE USES FUCKIN METRIC SYSTEM YOU RETARDS

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>>60533153
>Say retarded and historically false things
>Get called retarded
>"YOURE ALL JUST BUTTHURT AND JEALOUS"

wew

>>60533102
>What is the European Union?
that still does't make one country, you moron

>>60533219
because wannabe kewl

>>60533226
>Conflating country with nation

Man you're not just retarded, you're a fucking idiot.

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>>60533219
Americans are just too full of themselves to care.

>>60533266
>using a system that doesnt even make sense
>"""""" cool """"""

>>60533216
>unironically ending things with "i'll wait"

sounds like you must use AMD products. understandable when your country's GDP is smaller than some of our states, much less the overall country.

But, to entertain you, we're unrivaled in research (medical, technology, etc.). That makes us the smarterest

>>60530820
pretty much this

good products are supposed to take over overtime
- Implying economical agents are rationnal

>>60533305
>yuropean scientists
>asian scientists
>nazi scientists
i'm still waiting

>>60533294
>said retard who brought up that topic in the first place

>>60530127
It's safer than a lot of the stuff you see plugged into them.

>>60527637
the china one is also identical
there is one difference between aus/nz and china's plugs though, in china the ground pin is at the top of the plug, but in aus/nz it's at the bottom. it's just rotated though, all devices and cables are compatible

In China they use these universal outlets that work with anything. Let's just use those

>>60533304
That makes them pure breed hipsters, they hate so much.

>>60527202
>being this poor
lol

Schuko shall conquer the earth

>>60527456
CEE 7/7 (also known as Schuko) won't work with the Italian socket
But you can still jam it in with a bit of force
Lacks connection to the grounding pin, so its not really safe, but it works
Used it so I wouldn't have to charge my laptop in the bathroom (only place with a Schuko compatible plug in my hotel room) when I was on vacation in Italy

>>60527202
Stop staying in shit hotels or bringing your tech with you while on holiday then

>>60531068
>>Cannot be inserted the wrong way round
How is this an issue? Any plug that can be inserted in either orientation works in either orientation because it's fucking AC.

>>60533219
We're free to use metric units when it offers any advantages. It's nice working with exact fractions instead of rounded floats of infinite length.

>>60533219
>okay google
>this in that
Why bother at this point?

>>60535518
All your units are defined by metric units anyway.

>>60532027
>230v i-is sc-sca-ryyyy
lol fucking muricum, a real men touch that shit

>>60527516
>They'll never decide on one standard now, because the country that they choose won't have to shell out a ton of money to change all their plugs

na m8. Just install dual sockets in all new houses. 100 years from now, all houses will support the new standard.

>>60535495
>what is ground
>what is three-phase

>>60533219
Because we are not communist jerkoffs like the French. Metric comes from the french revolution and they tried to make a 10 hour day too because fuck having a cultural history or traditions, muh reason

>>60536149
>>what is ground
>>what is three-phase
All use different plugs so that they cannot be inserted the wrong way.

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>>60535495
You know jack shit about electronics.
Just last week I repaired a dehumidifier that only shocked you when you plugged it in in one specific direction, and we have a fully reversible connector in my country (pic related).

I like our connectors more than UK's big shit and US' weak sliding out shit, but I'd rather adapt to a safer, better, slick one way plug like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_60906-1

That way manufacturers could slightly improve safety even more, while having a strong, but thin socket.

>>60532460
Take 230v from a good power supply and come back and tell me how you got on

>>60536196
That socket has two ground pins so it should be grounded either way you insert the plug, assuming the socket and the plug are wired correctly.

If take into account shoddy wiring then every socket is shit.

>>60527245
>Shucko
this shit is so aesthetically satisfying tho. as an amerifag, i can confirm, i'd want this shit here

>>60536250
Britfag here, I've taken a shock from the mains and it wasn't that bad. I wouldn't even say it really hurt, didn't feel much worse than one of those muscle stimulation machines. It was a while ago so I don't remember exactly how it happened but I had a screwdriver on something that was live (it wasn't meant to be) and a finger from the same hand touched something that was grounded although I felt the shock down my entire arm.

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>>60536196
and if you're wondering how it's possible

>>60536295
Assuming your friendly neighbour hobby electrician cared to properly connect the ground plug, yes.
>If take into account shoddy wiring then every socket is shit.
that's true, but at least it could suck slightly less. That's why I wrote "slightly improve safety".

>>60536355
That's some terrible chinesium circuit design.

>>60536250
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/electric-shock#1
>Low voltage electricity (less than 500 volts) does not normally cause significant injury to humans.
Yes, I know
>webmd
but I've been shocked at least a 100 times in my 16 years of being an electrician, and I'm good thanks.
Yeah, it hurts as fuck, so it's pretty inconvenient, but I bet 110V hurts too.

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Everyone knows Australia has the best plugs and standard. Our plugs are basically upgraded British ones
>Strong
>Still has all the necessary safety features with out bullshit like fuses for each plug (circuit breakers are enough)
>Much better package
>Sits in the wall nicely, won't fall out

>>60536488
>I bet 110V hurts too.
It's very unpleasant.

>>60536685
Those prongs look quite a bit thinner than on British plugs and I've bent some of those before. Also those sockets don't look shuttered and the earth pin should be at the top. I like the sticky out cable though to make removal easier. I can't comment on the fuses, we still have circuit breakers here so there must be some other advantage to them.

>>60536685
What I like about other countries outlets is the switches that are sometimes on them. Ausfags got this figured out.

>>60536802
That is to say I wish those were standard on our crummy American outlets. I don't really care about a lot of the safety crap that Euros or Ausfags have but if we could redo our outlets I wouldn't mind them. Switches on the other hand wouldn't even require anything to implement so it's strange that they were never made standard.

>>60533219
countrieswho'vebeentothemoon.bmp

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Go to EDC threads
>bulky classic Thinkpads
>laptops *and* tablets
>fullsize headphones
>DACs
>portable hard drives
>additional power-supplies
>bulky protective cases over their phones
>portable games consoles
>portable music players
>cameras
>enough weapons for a zombie apocalypse

But UK plugs are somehow too bulky?

All of those things listed above could either be removed entirely or replaced with a more space-efficient alternative if you guys were worried about space.

>>60536784
They're really not that easy to bend, but if they do you can bend them back no worries. They hold their shape really well.
You can buy points with gated slots, however they're so thin it's not really an issue.
Fuses in every plug are pointless these days, due to circuit breakers.

>>60527245
shucko is overbuilt garbage that krauts oversell, when it only exists because their first retarded power systems delivered ungrounded split phase to residential customers.

even the italian plug is better, provided it uses half coated hot/neutral pins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q

>>60527245
>Shucko is the universal standard. Everything else is

shucko is unpolarized garbage that adversely affects the design of downstream appliances.

enjoy your crappy bayonet mount light bulbs and double pole mechanical switches in everything.

>>60536784
>Also those sockets don't look shuttered and the earth pin should be at the top.
They're not shuttered. There's no reason for the earth pin to be at the top. The earth pin is also slightly longer than the other two so it makes contact first.

>>60539720
Bayonet cap light bulbs are the best and I will fight you.

so we have:
>>60535518
>fractionfag
which is bullshit. nobody says that i can't use 1/3 of a meter and when it comes to decimal, i just add a few 3s until the precision is greater than any human can ever measure
>>60535540
>isuckatmathfag
sell your brain before it necroses from lack of use
>>60536175
>/pol/fag
you're a jewish jerkoffs instead
France was right. they just picked up the wrong base for everything. 12 would be better
and the most obvious:
>>60537093
>moontard
who keeps believing that imperial units took burgers to the moon. don't forget to thank your >'murican education

>>60541678
Some australian sockets are shuttered.
It depends on where it is installed and how recently it has been installed.

>>60543956
Okay, but I'd say shuttered sockets aren't common.
There are other solutions though. You can get dummy plugs to stick in unused sockets for example so things don't get poked into them.

>>60544238
Yeah it is a rarity, although other design features do significantly reduce the hazard of the australian sockets anyway.

Things like switches being almost always included with the socket, the narrowness of the pins and the recessed nature of the actual contacts makes electrocution quite unlikely with the australian design. Dummy plugs or not.

If I'm not mistaken, shutters are optional except in certain wet environments anyway (bathrooms and kitchens in new houses, for example).

fun fact: there is an international standard plug, but only south africa uses it.
IEC 60906-1

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>>60532027
>Justifying not needing extra safety features with gimped voltages

Italy's plug are the best, smaller and least painful to step on.

>>60545757
>IEC 60906-1
>The standard was originally published by the International Electrotechnical Commission in 1986

Nigga everyone had their own electrical outlet by the time of 1930.

>>60530864
realtalk, it's nearly impossible actually to use B or Q in Japan. They're basically appliance-only, and your appliance count in an average apartment is extremely limited (no or fixed-mount washer/dryer, in-wall air conditioner, fridge typically small enough to not need it.)