Traitor or Hero /g/?

>>60525901
I want to lick his moles

Julian assagn > snowden > that guy that was extrradited
in terms of traitorship. assagn is responsible for hillary losing and getting trump elected (and look at what hes doing, ie the saudi weapons deal). snowden only exposed cia corruption and its what we voted in anyway

>>60525901
Hero, but he should still face a trial and probably spend time in prison. What he did was illegal, but it was necessary.

>>60525940
That makes assange a hero

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>>60525949
>he should still face a trial and probably spend time in prison

>>60525901
both

>>60525996
in almost every way imaginable hillary would have been better (bernie above both however). Domestic issues espescially

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>>60526020
>>60525940
>>60525949

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100% hero and it absolutely baffles my mind that the public can sit around at let our government go after him. It's like a real life version of the beginning of the Incredibles where the people start suing the heroes who save them.

>>60526008
Never before have I seen a meme used so appropriately.

>>60525901
He's a traitor in the most literal sense, but his treason was absolutely and unequivocally justified. Snowden is a hero, and his persecution is criminal.

This man is being persecuted because he leaked to the world that US gov was actually committing deliberate crimes. He basically gave up his life for exposing truth.

>>60525940
>Assange a traitor
He isnt an American citizen tho.

When your government is the villian then heros are traitors

Truest in the sense of the word, most noble hero of our time.

>>60525901
He is a hero BECAUSE he is a traitor.

Same with Assange. Hero because traitor.

Don't you people realize that the government is the enemy of the people? Don't you realize that America is "The Empire" and not "The Rebels" like the history books tell us?

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>didn't leak anything new
>no history in the it sec community
>was hyped and praised even from the mainstream media

>>60526400
To Americans, traitor and enemy mean the same thing. Our side is "the default" side.

Just gotta roll with the linguistic punches on this one.

>>60525940
>saudi weapon deal bad = iran nuke deal good
SJW logic

>>60525901
A hero. He did only betray (((them)))

>>60526411
>false
>false
>false, JewNN constantly played the "Hero Or Traitor" card since they didn't want to step on toes.

>>60525901
Hero, same for Assange.

>>60525901
Hero's traitor.

Well you don't swear an oath to serve the government or the president, you swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. So if the agency you work for is violating the Constitution, you owe it no loyalty. You can only be a traitor to your country if your country is acting within permitted bounds.

>>60525901
I somehow find it funny when people say treason, i always think of Star Wars ep3, where the emperor goes "So its treason then"

heehuhueuehuehehuehuehuehe fgts.

>>60525901
Hero

>>60526437
Assange is cancer

>>60526037
Everyone whi disagrees with me is a redditor meme xD

>>60525901
CIA agent

>>60526122
This but I've never seen the Incredibles so I don't know if the comparison is accurate.

He absolutely did the right thing, it's a shame the rest of you burgers didn't so nothing will come of it.

>>60526418
Problem is you get retards calling for Assange to be charged with 'treason' when he has no alliegance to 'merica.

>>60526864
the gaymers and pajeets on /g/ are cancer

>>60525901
Actor.

>>60527618
Redditors are worse than both.

>Hero

Before snowden saying US spying, is flat earth tier conspiracy

>>60525901
An hero

>>60526411
being on a top 10 wanted by FBI list must mean something

>>60526866
Hey, he's new here. Be kind to your guests.

>>60525901
Hero. He should be pardoned and given and award for his astounding bravery then put in charge on the NSA.

>>60525901
>>60526867
>>60527628
these
>anger the world's most powerful agencies
>simply get away

Blm cuck

Citizen.

>>60526020
This is true, however all Assange did was reveal the truth. He didn't deceive anyone, he informed the American people and they made a choice.

>>60525901
HERO
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Make Snowden great again!

>>60525901
Traitor. Should be hanged

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hero

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>>60526020
She is a real politician but she is not to be trusted.

>>60528405
>muh 2 scoops of ice cream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQYHHklRBtY

It's not even a question. If you cucks actually gave a single fuck about your own constitution, you'd raid the houses until they declare him a hero.

But you don't give a fuck. You'd sell your rights a thousand times rather than exposing yourself to trouble. This guy is the most American being on Earth.

>>60525901
Hero, anyone that says otherwise is an NSA nigger

>>60528367
Too bad that by making himself famous everything that he says is now recorded and made into quote macros.

>>60528461
Are you talking to America or /g/? Because I'd say at least a portion of the latter care about muh freedoms.

>>60528480
Ironic. He could save others, but not himself.

>>60526408
This. I wish we had another revolution to remove these scumbags.

>>60526884
As someone who has seen it, can confirm I completely agree with
>>60526122

>>60526122
This. Man did what was right. He gave us the vision to see our privacy was dying but the media psy ops were too strong and there was a Democrat in the White House which made people who were in favor of privacy during the Bush administration suddenly like whoa man the government needs to stop terrorists maybe we do need to have everything we say analyzed for anti American sentiments.

>>60528494
I'm sure there's a classic Greek reference which describes this situation perfectly but I'm a pleb.

Assange and Dyson should both drop off the face of the earth.

Oh and hero. Next question.

>>60528200
Didn't Trump say he was going to pardon Snowden?

>>60528641
To Sessions and the CIA he is enemy number one.
Mainly because of the recent CIA malware leaks

>>60528641
>Didn't Trump say he was going to pardon Snowden?
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/395683702757662721

>>60528654
>>60528641
Wait, misread assange for snowden, my bad

>>60526008
This so much

>>60528516
Presidents of both parties want to violate your privacy and other rights in the name of national security, because whatever principles they may have (or lack), they're ambitious men who are driven by thirst for power and control over others. If they weren't, they wouldn't run for political office at all, especially not the presidency.

And of course democrats will make every excuse for abuses committed by a democratic president, and republicans will make every excuse for abuses committed by a republican president. Because all the congressmen and party hacks and the like are *also* ambitious people whose first goal is power, control, and the ability to rule over others, so they don't really care about your rights any more than a president does. They just care about their team winning. Elections are a game, where if you play it better than the other guy, you win and get more power.

Most of the people in the country have a definite slave mentality to them also. They want to not have to run their own lives, they want to be told what to do, they want big daddy government to take care of everything for them.

>>60528641
hah

>>60528665
also hah. He was only a fan of leaks when they were helping him and hurting his opponent. Now that leaks in his administration are causing him difficulties he's raging against leaks.

I hope that a culture of pervasive leaking takes firm root in the executive branch, and that not only Trump but future presidents of both parties will find themselves routinely mired in controversy and unable to act because of leaks. If we can't abolish the executive branch, we can at least make it less effective so that it does less damage.

So let me get this straight, it's illegal to reveal the illegal actions of your government even if they're betraying the constitution themselves? What kind of bullshit logic is that?

>>60528695
>What kind of bullshit logic is that?
That's what the patriot act got you.

The US hasn't really been land of the free since before 1929.

>>60528692
Assange is mad at leaks?
Where, when?

>>60528749
Trump is mad at leaks, you fucking sperg.

>>60528756
I didn't write anything about Trump

>>60528695
if the government is subverting the constitution you swore to uphold I'd say you have not only the right but the duty to betray the government.

Of course they'll find some cause to arrest you regardless, because the last thing a government wants is for its citizens rights to be a constraint on its actions.

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>>60528412

He is an operator, and he's still on his mission. I have no idea what the Agency is thinking right now, but CIA > NSA here.

>>60529178
>oh wow someone changed viewpoints on these five points (two of them being about explicit bills) during a political career that's lasted for literally more than 40 years

>>60529350
"having a political career of more than 40 years" is reason enough to not elect someone if you ask me

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>wear glasses and be white as a software consultant
>numerous coworkers, customer contacts, etc. tell me I look like Edward Snowden
>even the fucking TSA people at the airports tell me this
>this shit has been going on for four fucking years and counting now

>>60529370
what you should do is just give them an enigmatic smile in reply

>>60529363
I tend to agree, I'm just here to point out how ridiculous it is to literally believe that Hillary aligned with GOPs in senate and congress and other hardline christian conservatives (some of which literally believes she and Obama are in league with the Anti-Christ) that make out the so-called """establishment""" in order to engage in a massive cover up and murder, and yet somehow have your private email server hacked and lose the election because of white middle class millennials who voted Trump because they wanted to say "fuck you" to the establishment.

>>60529370
should reply:
>"yeah, russia is nice during this time"

>>60529415
>be american citizen
"haha that's funny anon"
>be foreigner
3 hour extensive interview and entry ultimately denied

>>60529428
TSA doesn't control admission into the country, CBP does.

CBP is substantially less nice than TSA, they are super serious. Even as a US Citizen if I joked that I was a different person than my passport indicated I would be looking at secondary/detainment most likely. Especially as a trusted traveler (member of Global Entry/NEXUS, which I'd almost certainly lose).

>>60528695
protip: nobody actually cares about law
the stronger party is always right

Why can't he be both?

>>60529911
because "traitor" carries the implication that he did something wrong when he didn't.

>>60526020
I don't understand why everyone says Bernie would be better than both, he knows jack shit about economics and promised things that would be impossible or detrimental to the country.

>>60530034
most voters don't think about that. They just see "free stuff, someone else pays for it"

>>60530029
No, it doesn't. It means he betrayed his obligations or the trust an something/someone placed in him. He did just that, meaning he his a traitor.

Being a traitor has consequences. Sacrificing himself to those consequences for the greater good is also what makes him a hero.

Ergo, he is both.

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>>60530130
>>No, it doesn't. It means he betrayed his obligations or the trust an something/someone placed in him. He did just that, meaning he his a traitor.
see >>60526834

>>60530068

you must be over 18 to post on 4chin

>>60530177
Wasn't he a private contractor? Fairly certain he signed a contract promising not to leak information, and if he needed to reveal something illegal, he would use proper channels.

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>>60529350

>>60530217
When the order to violate the constitution comes from high up, and the proper channels go right to the people responsible, there's not much point in them.

>>60530217
his definition of proper was on point dessu

only brainwashed murrikans would label him as a traitor
too bad with the average lard the media is having a field day

>>60530314
I never claimed otherwise, but you don't get to claim to be a hero who sacrificed for the greater good then complain when the bill comes due.

>>60525901
Hero

Only le_dolans would disagree

>>60526122
nice pop culture reference, faggot

>>60525901
>Traitor or Hero?
How about neither? Just old news at this point. His expose and whistleblowing did raise eyebrows and create a little bit of momentary hysteria, but has anything really changed?

>>60525901
both really

>>60525901
Both

>>60530571
>Fame determines if someone is a hero or not

>>60528214
???

>>60530287
Saudies just donated 10M dollars to Ivanka Trump, and Trump said repeatedly during the campaign that we are at war with Islam. Guess he only meant Shiites.

>>60530469
He sacrificed for the greater good but it's perfectly legitimate to say that what he did shouldn't have been a sacrifice at all. He shouldn't have a bill coming due. Adhering to oaths isn't an abstract moral good, its something we want in service of other ends. When those other ends (in this case, defense of human rights) demand betraying the organization you swore to serve, breaking the oath is something that should be done without compunction or penalty.

>>60531262
>Trump said repeatedly during the campaign that we are at war with Islam
source needed

Snowden should have turned himself in. Manning was a literal traitor who wanted revenge against the military. There was no way Snowden was going to get a prison sentencing as long as Manning.

>>60525901
>sacrificed his own comfy life for what he believes is the greater good
He's the definition of a hero.

>>60530034
Just like Trump? Actually, Trump is worse.

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>>60525901
Hero. Hero of the highest magnitude. It takes balls to go against your government knowing they will label you a traitor. A traitor because he exposed corruption.

Traitor to the government.

Hero to the American people.

>>60530571
Yes, it did. People would call you conspiracy nutjob and all kind of names to dismiss you. They can't pull that shit anymore. Aside from that, nothing really changed for the good. Nobody cared. At least the normies didn't care.

>>60532414
>when you realize the government and it's people are completely opposed to each other

>>60529370
Snowden is a good looking dude.

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>>60531262

get fucked snowflake

>>60532632
>>>/pol/
>>>/r/the_donald

Back to your containment chamber with you. Shoo shoo

>>60532632
>snowflake calling others snowflake

How's that capitalist dream coming along? You a millionaire yet?

>>60525901
heroic traitor

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>>60532632
>He still believes in Trump

>>60531720
He wasn't a soldier who swore an oath to the constitution; he was a sub-contractor who signed a contract.

>>60532978
DRUMPFTKINS BTFO!!!

>>60526008
This was the perfect image response, thank you.

>>60525901
hero

>>60525901
CIA Nigger

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>>60525901
>honestly answering the question online
>in a honeypot

>>60533068
And that exempts you from, or should prevent you from, doing what's right and just... how, exactly?

>>60528656
>He should be executed
>But if he conveniently helps me getting info about the opposing party's leader i'll pardon him
Ingenious persuation tactics right here, do my bidding or die.

>>60525901
Totally a hero

>>60533175
I never said it should stop him from doing what was right, but no good deed goes unpunished. He knew there would be consequences for his actions and chose that path anyway.

Will the NSA send me to the death camps if i post the wrong answer?

>>60529363
>The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.

>To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.

>To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

>>60525901
Traitor to US, hero to the world

>>60533264
Yeah and I'm saying we ought to change that. To call someone a traitor carries the implication that you're demanding that he be punished, or that he'll be punished regardless but you approve of this. He shouldn't be called a traitor because we should be trying to make the world into one where people who do what he did aren't or can't be punished for it.

>>60525901
I don't like people who can't be trusted to keep their promises. He betrayed his country and then run to its enemy for safety. There's nothing worthy of respect in that.

I'm not American, which probably influences my answer.

>>60533290
I am just a realist, and what he did is technically treason. Whether he should receive a pardon or not is not what is being discussed.

>>60533335
If the government doesn't respect its people or their rights, why would betraying it be a bad thing to do?

I reject from first principles the "loyalty to my country, right or wrong" attitude. Always pick being loyal to what's right over being loyal to your country.

>>60533335
You're acting according to principle and not according to reality. Sure, betraying your country might sound like bad, but he did it for the sake of transparency. You have to admit the US government was doing some shady shit.

Snowden did nothing wrong

>>60533280
>Traitor to US, hero to the world

Also a hero to many of us in the US. Only authoritarian fascists consider him to be a """traitor""".

only ever go on US websites, everywhere is people whining about NSA CIA FBI and the stupid net neutrality shit that doesnt concern me

anything that will take down the US is a hero to me. so glad trump is the president, he's gonna make US great again /s

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>>60530287
Every time 4chan bashes on this religion they use the
>ooo do you know they kill and or opress gays

Like who the fuck cares about gays what have they done except cry and be obnoxious. It seems like people on this sttupid site are for gays. So why do i see so much gay bashing.

>>60533739
Go back to Pol

>>60528536
I have no idea what you are talking about and I am Greek. At least nothing comes in mind.

>>60525901
A glorified okay dude

i like how people bash him for fleeing to russia
it's the obvious choice when you're being hunted by the usa

>>60528695
Two wrongs don't make a right it's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve ok

>>60530034
Every policy Bernie wanted was completely workable with the tax revenue we have.

>>60528179
Sorry :(

>>60530034
Trump knows jack shit about politics, so pick your poison.

Not a traitor, he should be protected under the Whistleblower Protection Act.

>>60535258
Better than hillary.

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>>60525910

>>60526852
>>60528494
Geez now I gotta go rewatch the prequels..

>>60525901
what makes him a traitor other than pro-government propaganda? he single-handedly started a new era of concern around privacy in technology that was never before mentioned nor considered.

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>>60525901

>>60530752
How can he be a hero if his sacrifice didn't accomplish anything in the end? Heroes get results. Maybe martyr is a better word for Snowden.

>>60526037
>>60526008
He broke the law. He knew what was up when he did it. It's not like there isn't ample legal standing to bring a case against him. Like I said, I think he's a hero, but part of being a hero is accepting the consequences of your actions.

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>>60533074

>>60526419
>deal where Iran has to reduce centrifuges to ~1600, is only allowed to keep centrifuges that can't be used to make uranium fit for a weapon, is only allowed to enrich uranium to like 3.5% (you need 90% or better enrichment for a weapon), and has to undergo constant inspections to ensure compliance, and the minute they go out of compliance, sanctions are back on
>equals Iran nuke deal

Netanyahu-cocksucking Republican logic

>>60536748
He exposed the government on criminal activity. If Snowden should be charged with treason so should be the entirety of the FBI and NSA.

>>60536892
Agreed, although I would limit it to the people actually making the decisions.

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>>60525910

>>60534510
except no

>>60526020
open trade and open borders is bad