if US does care about costs why it won't switch to 230V@50Hz

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Fuck you, that's why

>>60511996
Short term profits > Long term profits.

>>60512024
Americans units are made according to EUs

>>60512038
this.

>>60512038
If you're an idiot, yeah

>>60511996
Because most people would rather cling to traditions and habits than accept change, even if it's for the better. Also, costs. Because again, people are too afraid of huge short-term investments to be persuaded by even the largest long-term payoff. Thank fucking god Europe got it right from the start!

>>60512073
In a predictable non-changing world, long term profits are better.
In an uncertain fast-changing world, short term profits are better, you reap the benefits before the situation changes and fuck up your long term plan.
If you think the future is predictable, then you're an idiot.

>>60512112
Governments are supposed to plan for the future, whether it's predictable or not

>>60512132
>Governments are supposed to
>Americans
>Trusting government
>Making sane choices about government
Good joke anon.

>>60512149
I know, that's why their infrastructure is shit

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>>60511996
Picrelated is Gold Standard.

>>60512132
Governments are pretty short-termist in all countries that vaguely resemble democracies, because elections happen every few years, and not many politicians want to vote for pain now to get gain 30 years from now, since in three years they can be voted out for it in favor of someone who'll roll back the change.

Because it wouldn't be worth the effort at this point.
The benefits wouldn't outweigh the positives, their networks are mostly private run (who hate change) and the government doesn't have enough stability to phase in changes in the long term.

And all that copper? It's already installed. A 50% saving in the long term is no use if you are replacing copper which could last another 50 years to achieve it.
You'd have to uninstall nearly all of it to change to 230v 60Hz (you wouldn't go to 50Hz because frequency is much harder to change than voltage).
You can't just double the voltage along a conductor. It needs to meet separation standards for safety.

If I was rolling out the network from scratch? Sure. But they aren't. America is almost completely electrified, and has been for many decades.

PS:
If you want to see real retardation though, look at Japan.
They have two separate power grids of 100v. One at 50Hz and one at 60Hz.
With the tsunami taking out a bunch of infrastructure, they recently had surplus power in the 60Hz grid and shortages in the 50Hz one.

They also don't earth or polarise anything.

I'd argue that Japan has the worst designed electrical network in the world.

>>60512411
>Governments are pretty short-termist in all countries that vaguely resemble democracies
They haven't always been, and them being short termist for a few years now is the reason we're in such deep shit

>playing video games at 50hz
>wanting to use euro/chinese trash equipment
>muh 15% efficiency

America will invent a new standard that is far better than anything yurop/china has and the rest of the world will follow us as usual.

>>60512515
that's the most retarded post I've read today

>>60511996
Because Americans are dumb. They don't even ground their plugs

>>60511996
Burgers.

>>60512082
>thank God Europe had a chance to rebuild everything after they managed to destroy each other's economy and infrastructure during WW2

>>60512515
>USA
>Inventing
Good one.

Every invention that mattered has either been Scandinavian, European or Asian, or Any of the previous, that just happen to be stationed on foul US soil while inventing the thing.
Oh wait, there's one thing USA have invented.
Lobbying.
Better to silence the better solution by "voting" it out of the competition with money.

It's a conspiracy

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Oh, don't mind me, i'm just the master race coming through

>>60512515
>playing video games at 50hz
Video Games haven't been 50Hz in Europe for more than a decade.
And when they were? That was a result of lazy publishing rather than anything technical.
Games did exist at normal speeds, but most didn't bother doing proper conversions.

>America will invent a new standard
What? Like with HD Radio?
Enjoy paying your zillion dollar royalties per-receiver.
The European DAB standard has already become completely free to implement (freedom AND beer).
This is almost a universal thing, too. Americans hate open standards.

>>60512628
Americans don't hate open standards; their legislators, marketers and Jews hate open standards because they can't make as much, if any, money from it.

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>>60511996

Europe used to be 220v, but slowly creeped up to 240v for the same reason. the timescale (decades) allowed for devices that couldn't handle the increased voltage to break down without raising a suspicion.

Sometimes it's closer to 250v where I live. I think they want to push it to 260v eventually because switching converters still work fine at that point

Can't do that with 110-220v without raising suspicion son.

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>>60511996

Perhaps the most retarded thing in the world was the choice to go for AC

Sure it made more sense back in the day because DC was difficult to turn into HV..

but nowadays 99% of everything is DC and fucking everything needs an adaptor. The power wasted in the billions of adaptors is enough to power whole countries

You think high-voltage transmission is still impossible in DC? Almost all ultra-high voltage transportation lines are DC, whereas more local transportation is in AC due to lower investment (but higher losses to heat)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects

>>60512655
Why not give 380V to conumers as Russia does?
So you can use industial tools, charge your car etc.

>>60512773
Install three phase power. In Aus that's your basic upgrades from 240V.
10amp then three phase.

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>>60512773
3-phase AC is already a thing in homes built after ~1980 in most European countries. Lots of people use 15-20kW induction cooking sets. Try doing that in 120v USA

>>60512695
>AC - tesla
>DC - edison
tesla won due to long distance transmission efficiency plus his amazing electric motor for performing actual work.

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>>60512817
Nowadays
DC: Batteries, simple conversion, energy efficient, literally every household device
AC: Power conversion factor, switching noise & losses, only used for short-distance transmission, literally nothing doesn't work on DC

DC won. face it. AC is kept because of compatibility.

>>60512695
Only retards complain about AC/DC. Compared to modern switching power supplies, your mains AC is dogshit slow. Everything needs an adapter because of safety. Look up IEC 61140.

Switching adapters are also nearly 100% efficient. You know when converters are inefficient? When you buy cheap chink shit. You're also likely to kill yourself because China doesn't care if their consumers die from bad QA.

>>60512891
Long-distance transmission AC wons.

>>60512603
>Lobbying
I never understood how is this different from bribe.

>>60512622
SEV1011 (in an older revision)? Only close to master race.

IEC 60906-1 is the current master race.

>>60512933
One is without any demand. Meaning there's no obligation to go forth with their wants.
Give money to a security guard to get backstage, and he just takes your money and fucks off. You lobbied to go back stage.
But in the political world, that guard would end up committing suicide by shooting himself in the back.

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>>60512894
>Switching adapters are also nearly 100% efficient

a GOOD approved adaptor is 80-90% efficient with standby power losses. Tons of knockoffs out there causing housefires.

Face it, DC is superior in any way :)

>>60513006
>pic
>Behind the scenes: How the debian logo was designed

>>60513006
DC still needs to be down-converted so you're still wasting power.

>>60511996
Will 230v work with 240v 60hz electric car charger

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>>60513006
>Face it, DC is superior in any way :)

VOLTAGE DROP

50hz

top kek

Japan/Korea all use 60hz. Only Yurotrash and 3rd world countries use 50hz.

>>60513006
I wonder how many engineers died on the inside when they saw how people treated the seat cleaning toilet they created.

>>60513066
>>60513066
yes

>>60513040
you mean ZEN logo

>>60513074
heavier gauges and there is no drop

it would be so much easier

just having straight 5,6,9,12,15V DC jacks on your wall outlet

less space taken up

>>60512024
>arbitrary scale for when water freezes
???
Fuck off. A German used alcohol for the 32/212 scale.
Now Germans are cucked into base 10.
Base 10 is for limited morons.
>bu-bu-but anon, base 10 is by tens
Base 12 is superior due to factors.
Everybody on earth understands base 60.
>muh computer converts bases for me so i don't have to exercise the gray matter
Your computer CANNOT calculate 0.1
>obvious reply is 1/10 calc screenshot
No, factually 0.1 is impossible in binary.

>>60513104
>heavier gauges and there is no drop

Going to cost more then running ac

>>60513104
There is always drop. You'll need half-inch thick wire for that 5V circuit just inside your house to keep the voltage drop reasonable.

You will need to run HVDC inside your walls to reduce losses while keeping your wire thicknesses reasonable. Then you'll need to use switching regulators to step-down the HVDC to reasonable levels close to the point of usage. Oh wait, switching regulators convert DC to AC in order to change voltages. Might as well stick with AC.

>>60513154
lol what does that have to do with anything

To switch to 240V we'll have to replace the outlets first which will not happen immediately, it will take decades. It's easier to keep 120V than it is to replace and the long term savings aren't really worth jackshit desu. 120V is only used for the stretch between the house and the utility pole anyway.

>>60513180
It means you're wrong

>>60513079
>Japan/Korea all use 60hz
How's it like being retarded?

>2017
>no IEC sockets on the walls instead

>>60513180
A lot.

Heavier gauges would mean we would need to install two or three poles for every pole we have now.

The cost of the network itself would be, at a minimum, 3x higher.

It would be more cost effective to just install AC to DC converters in every home and keep the existing network.

>>60513208
>>60513079
Half of Japan uses 50Hz, half uses 60Hz.

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240v/50hz master race

>>60511996
The frequency is just how fast the generator runs/switches between poles at, higher speed generators generate 60Hz while Euros run lower speed generators for their 50Hz. I believe higher frequencies are supposed to be better anyway because it allows you to use smaller transformers.

>>60512049
>Americans units are made according to EUs
Fuck you're retarded. There's no such thing as EU units.
What you probably meant to say if you weren't so stupid was that imperial units are defined in terms of SI units.

>>60513294
Generators typically spin at:

1500/3000 for 50Hz
1800/3600 for 60Hz

The excitor or collector at the end of the steam/gas turbine train does all the heavy lifting.

>>60513317
>Americans
>imperial
The US uses US customary units
Natural equivalents are "imperial" based. The SI unit uses these natural equivalents to not totally fuck over everything, in a roundabout way of paraphrasing.

>>60512187
Best socket ever t b h

>>money made by selling new outlets
Broken window fallacy.

>and RCDs
Most homes already have them. Either in the panel or down the circuit. What we really need is to replace older non-GFCI circuit breakers with AFCIs to mitigate house fires caused by arcs but that doesn't require changing the power grid as a whole.

>>60512987
So its like comparing a suicide bomber and a remote bomber, still fucks up those that are in the area.
Using money to bypass a human votes value in voting is the opposite of what a voting system is meant for.
Not only that but USA is so behind that they don't even demand a unique valid ID for every single vote.

>>60511996
>>less copper used
>>2 times lower resistance
This isn't possible.

You can't have thinner wires and less resistance. Thinner wires + higher voltage = way more heat due to resistance

>>60512187
Nah

>>60512411
>They also don't earth or polarise anything.

The earth ground goes to the same place as regular ground, having the third prong doesn't really do much outside of dropping power tools with metal cases (which haven't been made for decades) in water.

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>>60513352
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

>>60513505
>USA is so behind that they don't even demand a unique valid ID for every single vote
No so much that as a massive population with no mandatory vote allowing people to rig much easier due to uncertain counts.
But yes, money being counted as a valid form of free speech is bullshit, as it gives undue weight.

>>60513592
this plug is shit and you should feel bad

>>60513607
>designed from the start to be safe
>can't even transmit power until ground connection is made
>each plug individually fused so you don't blow the whole circuit and have to go to the RCD (or replace the fuse back in the day)
>solid metal prongs, none of this bendy shit
>very user servicable
>literally hasn't needed to be developed with extra shit over the years

>>60512463
>(you wouldn't go to 50Hz because frequency is much harder to change than voltage

Can you explain to a normie why?

>>60513642
>>designed from the start to be safe
not an argument
>>can't even transmit power until ground connection is made
also the case with schuko
>>each plug individually fused so you don't blow the whole circuit and have to go to the RCD (or replace the fuse back in the day)
Making it unnecessarily expensive, there's absolutely no reason to have a fuse in your plug
>>solid metal prongs, none of this bendy shit
Same with schuko
>>very user servicable
When would you ever need to service a plug if you don't have a dumb fuse in it
>>literally hasn't needed to be developed with extra shit over the years
not an argument

On top of that, it's bulky and doesn't have a recessed socket like schuko does

>>60512812
No one uses 120v single phase for proper induction stoves. And natural gas is better anyway

>>60511996
US doesn't even have 110V@60Hz everywhere.

>>60512112
Are you fucking retarded? You can innovate and undertake projects whilst maintaining a blended risk mix. It's the entire point of the the discipline of capital financing. Go read a book.

>>60513592
>socket isn't even recessed

lol

>>60513144
You're literally retarded

>>60513567
Try using your computer without an earth right after you get out of the shower

>>60513863
What the hell 60513863?
That dude was spot on.
You are the retarded one.
Name one falsehood in 60513144.
You can't

>>60512773
>Why not give 380V to conumers as Russia does?

Many places in Europe do that.
Usually the places where DIY hasn't devolved to "100+1 rubber band life hacks."

>>60512910
DC is better. The ONLY benefit AC currently has is the ability to use transformers in an efficient way, and even that is threatened by modern DC converters.

>>60511996
Millions of dollars in replacing infrastructure
>>60513605
We tried that, but people were fooled into thinking it was racist

>>60512187
Too bulky

>>60511996
There's a case to be made for 230v, but 50hz is potato tier.

Really though the wires are already sized and rated in buildings for 120 split phase and the benefits don't outweigh the cost of certification of all us buildings for 230.

Final voltage doesn't matter on the utility end beyond final transformer by the customer's location.

Also, if we were to switch to 230v/240v we should keep the split phase for easy 480v single phase large appliances.

>>60512187
/thread
As an eurofag, I love Schuko

>>60514081
Because voting isn't easy like TV?

>>60513338
>Natural equivalents are "imperial" based.

That is completely incorrect.

>The SI unit uses these natural equivalents to not totally fuck over everything, in a roundabout way of paraphrasing.

That is completely incorrect.

SI units were never "natural" in any physics sense. A "natural" unit would be something like the mass of a proton. Instead, all the SI units were originally based on arbitrary, unstable things. The meter was originally selected based on the distance from the equator to the north pole, which had no hope of any reasonable accuracy because of the fact that the earth is not perfectly spherical -- so they had to later redefine the meter as another arbitrary constant. The kilogram was originally based on the meter (itself arbitrary) and water, but it later had to be redefined based on an artificial prototype. The second was eventually based on the meter and the speed of light -- so again, it's defined in terms of the arbitrary meter. The only unit that even comes close to "natural" is the kelvin, and that's only because it was introduced later when they started understanding how important it is to base units on stable natural phenomena.

Most imperial units are now officially based on the SI units. One inch is now exactly 2.540000... cm, where the "..." means that the series of 0 digits continues without end. I.e.: You can't define the inch without first defining the meter. That conclusively shows which is based on which.

Because most imperial units are based on the SI units, the imperial units also inherit all the arbitrary constants of the SI units.

And even historically, the imperial units were never based on any well-defined natural physical phenomenon. The "foot" was originally conceived as something that was "about the length of a foot" -- how is that any more "natural" than how the meter was originally defined? Is a foot somehow more "natural" than the distance from the equator to the north pole?

>>60512024
I always crack up at the temperature one.

>logical scale at which zero is the base level
>base level
As someone who uses Celcius daily, that does make sense intuitively, but it has absolutely no place being in an actual comparison picture.

The only scales that use a "logical base level" as zero are Kelvin and Rankine.

>>60514354
freezing point of water at sea level

>>60511996
Are you retarded?
Those reasons are either incorrect or irrelevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi0OlParbyY
e.g. Video games on your 50hz systems were slower than 60hz in the US.

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>>60513592
literally one country in the world that uses it

Whereas the German plug is used by dozens. Get fucked.

>>60511996
because that would require people to invest time and money with potential downtime to actually do something which means it's a nonstarter instead of just wasting that same money keeping shit running with minimal downtime.

>>60514538
>United Kingdom, Ireland, Cyprus, Malta, Malaysia, Singapore and Hong Kong
yea, looks like one country to me

>>60513505
>Not only that but USA is so behind that they don't even demand a unique valid ID for every single vote.
that should be left up to the states to decide not the federal government

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>>60513889
all laptop computers have no earth connection. what's your point?

>not using 220V@120Hz

>>60514645
Not true. Quite a few do.

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>>60513592
That's cute and all but does your plug fit perfectly without being loose thus leading to contact failures?

>>60513352
>he cannot type t឴bh

>>60514746
Yes. Does you're have a flat face to prevent spiders nesting?

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I have an old UPS sitting around and I plan to use it with my new pc.

What should I check before using it, will there any possibilities of compatibility issues with the power supply of the new case and frying my motherboard?


pic related

>>60514717
the DC jack has only 2 connectors.

>>60513505
>>60514609
>>60514081
>worrying about the voter fraud bogeyman
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2013/11/14/about-as-many-people-say-theyve-been-abducted-by-space-aliens-as-say-theyve-committed-voter-fraud/

>inb4 liberal media/fake news

>>60511996
Why doesn't europoor upgrade to 500v or even 1,000v if it is so much better?

Answer: Because they are poor.

>>60514821
The negative wire is the ground connector. DC jack is physically isolated from the mains by a transformer. Having a separate ground is impossible.

>>60511996
Pal has always been shit from old school consoles tied to frame rate being slower to tvs

>>60514821
Yes, but the power brick which does the power conversion is sometimes grounded.

>>60513006
amd zen, the logo

Be careful /g/ she is alerted and ready to strike. Dubs activate her almonds and she will strike you
>>60511996

>>60514903
No, you can get 10kV or 380 kV if you have reasons for it.

But home outlets here are usually 230V 10A to 16A, and additionally bigger devices are connected with 400V three phase power at 10A to 16A. Which is a good bit of power, really.

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>>60512773
Most countries in Europe have that.

>>60513592
>THEY PUT THEIR FUSE INSIDE THE PLUG

>F I R E
>H A Z A R D

>>60513144
1/10 quality shitpost.

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>>60514991
An earth connection in a plastic PSU case doesn't make ANY difference, unless the designers of the smps are skimping out and dumping noise on it

the function of earth is to prevent shocks passing through you to earth

>>60515119
Europoors should just get 500v to the wall socket before they complain about 110v being used in normal countries.

>>60515235
380V is fine, tho.
20A per phase, bro!

>>60515220
no the function of the earth is to step on, grow vegetables, etc, fucking nerd

>>60512024
>US
>calling others zionists

Wew

>why doesnt the us make billions of dollars worth of appliances obsolete?

really jumbles your noggin

>>60513679
Computerized electronics all depend on line frequency as their clock source.

>>60515970
Yeah but then there's a billion dollar market for new electronics.

>>60513144
Fahrenheit used decimal numbers, he just chose really dumb fix points.
0: coldest day he measured in Danzig
100: body temperature of a healthy human (except that varies)

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Muh 230@50 is better than yur 120@60 wahh wahh wahh
600V Three phase master race here!
Go big or go home bitches!

>>60513889
I do all the time and I have no idea what you're on about. Laptops don't have grounds and desktop keyboards are plastic. I guess you have a pool of standing water in your room with a drain connected to ground.

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>>60514538
>not being able to do this
And yes singapore & malaysia uses these plugs

>>60516435
You get imprisoned for whipping those out on site in Aus.
At least use plastic plugs.

>>60516644
And here I thought Stayans were tough.
It's only 600V.

>>60516696
No, the issue is that should it short, you're wasting metal and having downtime.
Plastic will continue to work, and so will us.
Fucking Americans, always wanting to sit on their ass and waste products.

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>>60516435
>600 V
>not 690 V
pleb

>>60516742
Plastic breaks easier. Metal lasts longer, hence, more reliable.
That, and downtime is the least of your worries if you short out 600. Usually the bigger concern is fire and possibly shrapnel. It puts on quite a show.
For me it means, "I'm getting a coffee, go call a sparky over fix that burnt up shit."

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>>60516844
>For me it means, "I'm getting a coffee, go call a sparky over fix that burnt up shit."
How often to you smash them to have a sparky so efficient and close by that you can only get a coffee in before you're ready to go back to breaking sockets?

>>60513679
>Can you explain to a normie why?
You would need to change the speed or gearing of every generator to lower the frequency.

To make AC power you pass a spinning magnetic force through wires that induces an electrical charge in them.

You have at least two poles to pass through. The more pole pairs you have the slower you can run because you are passing over more different pairs for each rotation.

The limit for high speed is 1 pairs (can't haves less). If you have a high speed prime mover like a turbine you wan to go as fast as you can. However if you want 60Hz output then your max upper speed is 3600 RPM. That's slow for most turbines so they have a fixed reduction gear. The turbine runs at 6000 RPM and is dropped down by a reduction gear to 3600RPM

If you had something like a hydroelectric dam you might have 24 pairs and a rotational speed of 150 RPM

frequency = ( pairs of poles * RPM ) / 60

1 pair and 3600RPM = 60Hz
24 pairs and 150 RPM = 60Hz

To change to 50Hz you need to change your reduction gear of every turbine or for low speed ones run even slower. The multi pole generators can run slightly slower without too much trouble.

To change the voltage you don't even need to change your generator system, because everything is getting stepped down. All that would need is to change every distribution transformer and almost every electronic device and all the internal wiring.

Simply put the 120V/60Hz consumer system works just fine and the tiny savings in copper would never pay out.

>>60516924
Usually depends on how observant the equipment operator is that day.

>>60516970
How's the introduction classes treeting you? Not getting too big for you shoes I hope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_changer

>>60511996
U.S. can't even adopt the metric system.

Also, switching from 60 Hz to 50 Hz means all legacy electronics relying on AC sine waves to track timing either have to be retrofitted or replaced at cost of hundreds of billions of dollars.

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>>60512187
Too big.

IEC 60906-1 is better.

>>60513719
>natural gas is better

You haven't used a proper induction stove yet.

Pan gets hot so fucking fast and stays consistently hot, it will blow your mind.

>>60514746
I've come to loathe these, these and those EU-but-not-quite mini Italian sockets. Fuck them.

>>60511996
In Europe we have 400 V.

>>60517004
It's inefficient to use an electronic frequency changer for distribution. It might be 99% efficient but throwing away 1% of your output would be insane.

You can use a Variable Frequency Drive VFD for local motors but only in the most extreme case would someone switch at the generator rather than regulating the generator.

An extreme case would be on an aircraft which has constantly variable rotational outputs.
Or for Japan which has two different electrical grids operating at different frequencies for some surely sound historical reason.

Sorry I don't want to die

>>60517087
Natural gas is better because it has higher fuel efficiency.

>>60513144
>Everybody on earth understands base 60.

Except americans.

>>60517187
>setting gas on fire and directing it onto a metal surface
>efficient means of heat transfer

Pick exactly one.

>>60512132
ahahaha, look at him and laugh.

All governments are run exactly as any typical business is.
They put short-term profits against long-term and say "fuck you long-term" and line their own pockets with your hard-earned money while your local services are falling apart.
In some cases, it is seriously short-term in that they deliberately fuck shit up hard with full-intention of never being in government ever again.

Government started off with honest intentions, but as soon as it went from local to global and money because the driving force behind the world, everything went to shit.
Government is quite literally cronyism no matter where you look.
The only "honest" people are the people that never get voted in because they are too nice and nobody likes nice people, they like cunts that diss each other at political rallies, on the TV and wherever else.

Sadly I don't see any realistic fix for this any time soon.
Humanity is the problem. Not the system.

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>>60517214
Yes we do.
60 minutes in an hour
60 seconds in a minute
60 factors into 1,2,3,4,5,6,10,12,15,30,60

>>60517278
he was talking about base 60, not microwave time

>>60517237
Burning the natural gas to heat air in a turbine to spin the turbine then power a generator which is stepped up for transmission, transmitted then stepped down and used to heat an element.

You are looking at 40% efficiency to convert the energy in natural gas into electrical power and then transmit it to the local use location.

Or maybe 80% of the heat captured when heating a pot or pan burning the natural gas.

>>60517371
>convert the energy in natural gas into electrical power

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

>80% of the heat captured when heating a pot or pan burning the natural gas

Did you just pull that number out of your ass?

>>60517278
You forgot 20

>>60517157

In America we have 3-phase 480V.

>>60512910
Really long distance transmission DC wons

>>60517424
>>convert the energy in natural gas into electrical power
>That's where you're wrong, kiddo.
Well no but thanks for stopping by.

>Did you just pull that number out of your ass?
No that's the government numbers for a burner.

>>60515970
That's a good thing for ANY business.
Especially local business.

A quadrillion marketers got erections at people having to replace everything.

>>60517237

ANY conversion that is required from one "energy type" to another has huge losses in it.
Having energy as its most basic form is always going to be more efficient, the higher up the conversion chain you go, the less efficient.

Fire is one of the most basic useful forms to us.
Electricity is more portable, but considerably less efficient.
And we can't even store it very well either, gas stores very fucking easily.
Although compressed energy storage is getting a lot of attention as a good method.
Still vastly less efficient than chemical burning.

>>60517529
>That's a good thing for ANY business.
>Especially local business.

In case of economic emergency break glass.

>>60514399
Water is just as arbitrary a measurement medium as mercury or alchohol

>>60517557
water is vastly more common

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>>60516011
Name one.

No serious electronics would use the AC frequency to generate a clock signal

>>60517583
Most cheap alarm clocks do that. Some security panels.

I know those for sure.

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>>60516636
>the earth pin is plastic

Welp. that defeats the whole purpose. might as well omit it entirely.

>>60517544
BUY BUY BUY
L O C A L

>>60517600
Britfag outlets don't let you insert the other two pins without something in the earth pin

>>60512695
I heard that DC would require an immense amount of copper to implement. Is that true?

>>60517258
>Humanity is the problem. Not the system.

This is why no system will ever work in the long run.

>>60512603
>just happen to be stationed

AKA they are Americans.
Fucking Eurofags mock all the new world muh heritage stuff until the person does something amazing, then suddenly they are German again.

>>60517665
The initial problem with DC was that there was no easy way to convert it from one voltage to another. If you wanted to transmit DC over a long distance you either needed to make the voltage 10s if not 100s of thousands of volts so that it wouldn't burn off all of the power through heat or make power plants every few miles and run hundreds of redundant wires all over the place. AC was easy to convert up and down to any desired voltage and it didn't require redundant power stations and wires everywhere so it easily won out. These days it's considerably easier to convert DC to various voltages thanks to semiconductors and its basically the only current used in electronics but AC is still used for transmission purposes because it's just so easy

>>60512580
They are designed so that products that don't use a lot of power don't require grounding.

>>60511996
because the electric companies are likely lobbying to make sure their job is to generate more energy and oil/coal/etc companies lobby for it in order to keep selling said resources to electric companies

thats what happens when you let corporations control your government

>break compatibility with older devices
>make everyone switch to new outlets
>undertake massive infrastructure projects
>switch to an unused-in-the-region standard, making travel harder for Canadians
>benefits;
>lel EU does it
>insignificant cost savings many years down the road
10/10 plan OP

>>60514567
>because that would require people to invest time and money with potential downtime

And that's a whole lot of time and money for little to no benefit, especially considering we are a huge country, not a bunch of little nation states where you can wire-up one or two cities city with something and wallah ... half you country is now using it.

>>60517046
swiss plugs break and the poles bend like fuck, they're fuck awful.

>>60517187
>it has higher fuel efficiency.

No.

Natural gas has lower energy efficiency even compared to heat coil type electric ranges.

>>60517821
But now you can sell ADAPTORS to the stupid leafs
Win-win!

>>60511996
We already have 240v using split phase, and changing to a lower frequency would be retarded. If we were going to go through the trouble of destroying our entire electric grid to change the frequency, increasing it would be the way to go.

>less copper used
50Hz 240 transformer vs 60Hz 240 would use more copper.
>2 times lower resistance
u wot m8
>compatibile with Euro/chinese equipment
Vast majority is already compatible due to switching power supplies. I run my PC on 240 when doing heavy duty computing because better power supply efficiency and the plug doesn't get warm from drawing 13A, but can go back to 120 any time I want because of this.

>>60514081
If you were so concerned about it, then why don't you make it so that everyone gets registered when they get their licence? one of the pac. coast has a system like this already.

I love how people pretend that racial data about who's most likely to have which type of ID isn't known by the people crafting the voter ID laws.

>>60512073
>america
hmmm

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>>60511996
>2 times lower Resistance
This is very wrong. You could maybe have a case for impedance, but even then I doubt very much 2x
>care about costs
>money made by selling new outlets
pick one, fuccboi
There are plenty of 80's electronics that depend on 60 Hz, notably clocks.

Also really? You wanna talk about how inferior the U.S. is with electricity vs EU? Does the EU make cars that don't have electrical issues?

Simplicity and reliability >>> EU

>>60517982
>If you were so concerned about it, then why don't you make it so that everyone gets registered when they get their licence? one of the pac. coast has a system like this already.

That's basically how it works. When you get your license they usually ask you if you want to register to vote if you're eligible to vote. California changed it so everyone who was eligible to vote and had a current license was automatically registered and republicans took this to mean illegals would be voting which was blatantly false.

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>>60512024
>Literally a nation of Jew kettle whose only legitimization for existence is to serve their zionist masters
>draws Jew shit on 'Rest of the World'
Some contrarian shit to the max

>>60511996
Americans were, are and always well be: retarded.
It's a nation that is under rule of kikes, where literally any bum on the street could potentially shoot you, since anyone 'has the right' to have a firearm. Race mixing, religious fanaticism, degeneracy and militarism are rampant. And you expect them to use a rational solution for their electric sockets OP?