Why is Windows so hard to use?

>>60508580
>giving a pwned repo sudo access
gr8 security m8.

>>60508580
You overstating how simple linux can be to a tech illiterate. You don't just right install. As you show in the image you have to write sudo apt-get, most people get intimidated just hearing something like that. OSX In terms of installs if the fucking easiest, literally drag and drop to the applications folder. Regardless, if you know how to use windows you can do a console install if you'd like.

>>60508619
That doesn't even get into what needs to be done when the software you want isn't in the repo.

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>>60508580
>E: Unable to locate package php-7.0

>>60508580
Most people don't even know what an "apt-get" is, anon. Let alone the name of the package so they can install it.

Normies would rather dick around with malware in a GUI and get infected, that's their right

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>>60508653
>>60508657
you didn't need that package anyways.

>>60508580
>phpajeet

>>60508580
>literally
no apt-get or dnf-install or pacman -s is not literally "install"

Every desktop distro comes with a software app.
Tell the illiterate people to do it that way.

>>60508580
So how do I install on a separate drive in linux?

>>60508653
This. Installing shit not in the repo ranges from "download this .deb file and open it" to "download the source code for this program and 5 of its dependencies, and build and install all the dependencies before building and installing this. Also you'd better have like 5 different build tools because all of these dependencies use different things and some of the build scripts are broken on specific versions of said tools."

>>60508580
I guess we have stores for normies too

>>60508709
Just compile it and it's dependencies wherever you want.

>>60508619
>OSX In terms of installs if the fucking easiest, literally drag and drop to the applications folder.
this is what should be done for Linux distros (ubuntu maybe)

>>60508580
>want to install an application on linux
>have to know the exact package name or you cant find it
>wants to install 100 other packages
>wants to install 3GB of files and X on my headless server

>>60508712
>and i hope you are using v6.2 of this library, because if you have v6.3 or later it won't work

>>60508760
No, it's disgusting. Why teach this level of illiteracy to the point users have no idea what goes in behind the scenes?

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>>60508580
you see it's so simple you don't even need gui

> Hit advanced install recommended for experienced users only
> It's literally just a checkbox to opt out of their bundled adware
smdh tbqhwu famallamas

>>60508801
>want to install the latest stable version of an application on linux
>system only has an old stable version
>have to build the whole application because using a obscure distro and nobody else has made a backport.
>build system requires newer versions of libfoo and libbar
>can't install those libs because they break existing ones
>end without new application because i would have to upgrade the whole system
Apps should offer a self-contained version.

>>60508819
A good tool is a one that makes the user be unconscious of it.

>>60508819
Why should a lawyer, a physician or a designer know the internals of an operating system and applications?

>>60508694
It is if I make an alias for it.

>>60508859
>unconscious of it
>having to drag and drop like some illiterate monkey flinging shit and having no control
>>60508878
Why shouldn't they be able to open and use a terminal? Why shouldn't they understand the trivial basics of something they use frequently?

>>60508921
>Why shouldn't they be able to open and use a terminal? Why shouldn't they understand the trivial basics of something they use frequently?
Because if they have to do that shit then they'll just buy a Windows computer or Mac instead.
And you wonder why Linux has a microscopic desktop marketshare.

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>>60508619
He's actually right, people would be repelled by the words 'sudo apt-get install'. I never thought of that but non-tech interested people would really hate it.

That's not to say they shouldn't all be mercilessly slaughtered en masse as soon as possible

>>60508580
>that it doesn't install any adware or malware to your pc
Stop getting your software from noviruses.tk
>had to delete stuff to show the link

>>60508580
Every keypress makes it seem exponentially harder to install, so the bottom picture is literally impossible to understand for the average user. Also you have to know the name of the package. Also it should be in the repository in the first place. And you aren't even guaranteed to get the latest version this way.

>>60508619

>OSX In terms of installs if the fucking easiest, literally drag and drop to the applications folder

A lot of mac software dont use this anymore and only use normal installers. Drag-and-drop dont allow Yahoo toolbars and other adware.

>>60509009
>you aren't even guaranteed to get the latest version this way
because:
>some apps require newer versions of libraries while others still depend of older versions
>no one designed package repositories to keep different versions side by side (because "muh disk space" or "you're reinventin' the wheel"

>>60508580
>one requires download other does not
really smart...

To linux users - install an application to two different places(or show another way to keep two sets of application settings and use them simultaneously) without googling the commands.

>>60509095
>inb4 a "I used DDG to find the command" smartass appears

>>60509095
depends on the application but it could be as simple as

program -c ~/.program/config.conf
program -c ~/.program/config2.conf

so you're telling me windows requires using your brain while linux is made for tech illiterates to use a whole library of 10 programs

>>60509442
cut the bullshit, windows users are just tech illiterate macfags that can't afford macs.

>>60509513
I have a Surface Pro (Win 10), Macbook Pro, and some shitty old desktop with Windows 7. Guess which machine I use most often?

>>60509536
a vibrating dildo

>>60508657
kek'd

>>60509566
I would be too embarrassed to buy one of those, silly. But thinking about it, I think the only reason I don't like the macbook is because I've never hooked a mouse up to it and I fucking hate the single giant track pad that doesn't have any buttons.

>>60508619
>He still writes apt-get

>>60509679
apt?

>>60508580
>Linux

Linux is just one part of an Operating System. What you are actually referring to as Linux in that image is in fact Ubuntu Linux which comes preloaded with Amazon spyware.

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choco install ghc

>>60508580
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/reference/5.1/packagemanagement/find-package

>>60509731
If you have ever used chocolatey you would know its shit and just a bandaid covering a spurting artery

>>60508580
>sudo
>to install a program
Who thought that this was a good idea?
Why hasn't everyone moved to nix/guix yet?

>>60509852
It installs it system-wide, so it would be stupid for it to NOT require root privileges.

>>60509873
>It installs it system-wide
And this is stupid because It should give you the ability to install it locally without root privileges.

>>60508712
is this 2010?

>>60508604
>giving a random .exe file from the internet sudo access

We see how that worked out over the last decade

>>60508580
This forum if for people who are able to install Gentoo and use it on a daily basis. Windows and macOS are for normies, they're here by mistake.

>>60509536
Me
>mbp
>hackintosh
>Debian server
>windows vm
Mad much?

>>60508665
You didn't start off knowing what a "wizard" or a "C:\ drive" is either.

>>60509901
Image depicts Windows XP and Ubuntu 10ish, so yeah, probably

>>60509095
Find a version of the application that is just the executable and extract it to whatever directory you please.

>>60508819
macOS only obfuscates that the App is a bundle of files, other than that it is completely straightforward

It's Windows and GNU Plus Linux that obfuscate behind installers, assuming the user can't copy the file to the appropriate folder without assistance

>>60508580

sudo apt-get install photoshop
pacman -S gtav
emerge -pv  AutoCAD

>>60508580
>i curl willy nilly and don't look at what the fuck i'm doing to my system

>>60508819
>what is abstraction
>what is job security
kill yourself, nigger.

>>60510640
funnily enough i think there is an aur package for gtav that does some winefuckery to get the game to run properly.

>>60510739
How though

Does WINE even support DX10 yet

All I know is that now it supports 64 bit software

>>60510762
it does dx11 actually.
if you search the arch user repo youll see a lot of game specific packages.
gog actually has a big presence on the aur. since they publish custom installers for linux. users just optimize those for arch or make wine profiles with installers for windows only games.

>>60508580
1. I prefer portable applications
2. I WANT to choose destination directory, because I don't like all my tools thrown in one giant sack.

>>60510433
A wizard is a dude who magically makes programs work, what's so difficult to understand?

>>60508921
Yes, anon, I'm sure you're capable of surgically operating on yourself since you use your body every day, right? You're not going to tell me you're incapable of some basic problem solving?

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>>60508619
>As you show in the image you have to write sudo apt-get, most people get intimidated just hearing something like that
>sudo apt-get
this is sad, so sad

>>60510918
lol that pic, mind if I save it?

>>60509679
>he still uses loonix

>>60511010
It's copyright, please don't.

>>60508580
brb gonna format and install windows

>not using software created by yourself
This board is getting worse and worse

>>60509931
Worked out pretty well for me, familia.

>>60508580
why is every 'windows is shit linux is great' thread sound like you want to convince yourself in the first place?

>>60508580
>Install Photoshop

It didn't work, OP

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>>60508580
Getting an encrypted home directory

>Linux
compile these kernel modules, program your custom hard disk driver in C, then run these 300 commands and edit fstab and finally add 10 startup scripts to your init system

>Windows
open an email attachment


Feel dumb Linux fags?

>>60509741
I don't think that does what you think it does.

>>60508580
OH YOU WANT TO INSTALL PHP.
>following packages will be removed upon installing php
>kernel, de, x-server, root drive

JUST

>>60511186
Has literally never happened

>>60511156
kek

user@host:~$ install firefox
install: missing destination file operand after ‘firefox’
Try 'install --help' for more information.

HELP

>>60511243
Try

sudo apt-get install firefox 

>>60511257
Aha, so you're saying it's not literally just typing "install" followed by a program you want to install.

>>60508657
It's just called php, not php7

>>60508580
linux
>install shit
>shit is not in the repos
OR
>shit needs crap and bullshit to install
>crap not in the repos
windows
>install shit
>shit needs crap and bullshit, but it's in the installer anyway

>open Powershell as admin
>"choco install brackets"
>"choco upgrade blender"
I wish the Chocatley repo was larger and include RawTherapee

>>60511317
linux
>install shit
>shit is not in the repos
> $ vim sources
>now shit is in the repos
windows
>install shit
>shit needs crap and bullshit, but it's in the installer anyway
>the installer also has 7 toolbars and a shopping assistant addon
>welcome to mcafee internet security

>>60511268
add "alias install='sudo apt-get install'" to your .bashrc then...

>>60508580
>windows
>need to scroll through multiple screens of images to figure out how to do something
>linux
>just copypaste a command to bash and/or add or uncomment a line in .config file
CLI is superior.

>>60508580
>whatever program you want
bullshit.

>>60508580
>doesnt install any adware or malware to your pc
>implying apt install is safer because it silently installs malware and backdoors into the system
>trusting "open source" developers vs trusting closed source employees that risk jailtime and job for inserting anything beyond the normal user tracking for ad revenue

I seriously hope you people aren't crippling yourselves with an operating system without even 1 good IDE

>>60508910
And by the time you've started with aliases, you are out of tech illiterate tier anyway.

>>60509095
>or show another way to keep two sets of application settings and use them simultaneously
Just SSH into a different user when you want to use the other settings.

>>60508619
gnome-software is a step in the right direction
the shell even gives you suggestions for available software in search

>>60508819
more people using gnu/linux = more attention by developers = more software :)

>>60511422
>normal user tracking for ad revenue
That's called "malware", anon.

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>>60511422

>>60511422
All jetbrains software is available for Linux

>>60511340
>try to uninstall something
>you can't because it's not a real package manager and just runs shitty Powershell scripts

>>60511156
Defeated.

>>60508709
create a minimal chroot on the other drive

>>60511443
>SSH into a different user
absolutely disgusting

>>60509095
That's supposed to be hard?

>>60511552
It's simple, it works, and it required no googling whatsoever.

>>60509095
The average user doesn't need this in practice.
in fact I have no idea who actually does

>>60511574
>it works
That's the only positive thing you could say about it.
Requires to run a daemon though.

Never heard of su?

>>60508580
What about the Windows 10 Store?

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>>60508580
wow, it really is super easy installing software on linux...

why is gnome-screenshot such a bitch and includes a dropshadow and parts of the background when I create a window screenshot. FU gnome-screenshot or pamac, whoever is responsible for this

>>60508580
Windows was developed by late 90s programmers based off on what they think is easy to understand for the average guy. But now they can't update it to more modern standards without breaking backwards compatibility
Linux was developed by programmers for programmers. Making it easy for programmers.

God only knows why they can't just have one fucking screen for their install wizard

>>60511939
Linux as a kernel is shit. The NT kernel is much better compared to it.

>>60512795
no

>>60511628
What program is that?

>>60512828
manjaro's shitty GUI package manager

>>60509885
Install nix/guix

>>60509885
apt source <package>
./configure --prefix=$HOME/opt
make

>>60508580
>>60508619
Fucking retards it's not about being hard to write a line in the terminal. The problem is the remember all the fucking syntax and package names. That's why it's easier to use a GUI since all your options are shown to you in real time.

Fucking retards

>>60512920
this guy gets it

>>60508712
Than it is a shitty program and the developer is an idiot

You forget to say that Linux is free software (free like free speech and not like free beer)

>>60509051
This is the kind of thing snap and flatpak is going to fix, right?

>>60512920
>remember the package names
Literally every sane package manager has a search feature. It's about as hard as googling the software name to find the download page.

>remember all the fucking syntax
While that's true for CLI in general, for installing packages it's not. People just don't know how to do it. Ask your russian grandma who never used a PC to install something on windows and she'll fail horribly. Tell her to open the terminal (however that's done in your distro) and type "sudo apt-get" followed by the software name and she'll know how to install things on Linux but not on Windows.

>>60513097
>>60509051
Or you just use portage.

>>60513430
>. Ask your russian grandma who never used a PC to install something on windows and she'll fail horribly
No she won't, you just click next, next, next and finish.

>Tell her to open the terminal (however that's done in your distro) and type "sudo apt-get" followed by the software name and she'll know how to install things on Linux but not on Windows.
You're implying that the distro already has the package available in the repository of the distro.

The third thing is how fucking retarded names for some linux applications are e.g. naming the file manager dolphin or any other irrelevant names

>>60508580
>you have to have all this knowledge beforehand to even install shit
>oops dont know the commands
>oops dont know the package name

Youre fucked.

>next
>next
>agree
>install

Literally done.

>>60513539
see >>60513524
:^)

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>This is what winbabies actually believe

The folder command is 'nautilus', and that's the bulk of what you need to know

>>60513557
It's called "Files" everywhere though

>>60508580

>>60511939
>>60513495
>>60513539
This all comes down to what you are used to. The hunt down the installer then next next wizzard thing is exactly the same difficulty as doing it from the repos under Linux. But 90% of the people out there got used to the Windows way of doing it in the last couple of decades.

>>60508580
>unmet dependencies
>package suck_my_cock_faggot is of version 6.6.223.1 but version 66.99.4954.389 is required
Yeah, fuck you too senpai.

>>60513620
This only happens in shitty distros like Ubuntu, Arch has everything in the repos or AUR ready to go.

>>60513620
This only happens if you intentionally break your distribution

>>60513647
Then what the fuck do you think kinda distro is in the OP's pic?
>>60513658
Linux is fundamentally broken, so every distro it's based off of is also broken.

>>60513647
Bullshit, especially the AUR is prone to such problems.

>>60513670
>Linux is fundamentally broken
why?

>>60513700
Ask Linus.

>>60513722
>claims linux is "fundamentally broken"
>can't bring up a single fact why

>>60513670
>saying this in a Windows hate thread

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>>60513495
>No she won't, you just click next, next, next and finish.
She'll click next on what? First she must open a web browser, search for the software name, find the proper download page (and make sure it's not a fake virus site), download the installer, then run it.

THEN she can click next, next, next, oh wait woops she just installed like 20 toolbars.

>You're implying that the distro already has the package available in the repository of the distro.
Yes, I am. The vast majority of software is in fact available. When it's not, you can just fallback on the windows method.
>but muh compiling and dependencies
I don't remember the last time I saw software which offered a precompiled windows version but was like "fuck you, you get sources only" for linux.
If it's something you have to compile yourself, 99.9% of the time you'd have to compile it on windows too, the difference being that on windows literally everything will always break - on linux, that only happens if you're unlucky.

>The third thing is how fucking retarded names for some linux applications are e.g. naming the file manager dolphin or any other irrelevant names
Holy shit you are retarded. If you want the dolphin file manager, and you don't know it's named dolphin, then you don't want the dolphin file manager, you just want a file manager. Distros already come with one, and if you wanna be fancy and replace it, literally google "linux file manager" to get a list of options.
Note that on windows you normally don't even get options.

You can argue that this can be applied to other stuff as well, e.g. 3D art software being called Blender, but again, even if you're on windows, searching "3D software" won't give you a clear download page either. You have to know what software you want to download, and that applies whether you're doing apt-cache search (or xbps-query or whatever), or googling for a download page.

>>60513749
>can't bring up a single fact why
Dependency hell is one.

>>60513761
static linking exists

>>60508619
>>60508954
>Implying 'app stores' don't exist for the truly braindead on linux too.

>>60513761
That is userspace, has nothing to do with the kernel.

>>60513768
Good luck statically linking a proprietary library.

>>60513768
>package all your libraries together with your executables
>set LD_LIBRARY_PATH accordingly in a runscript
>simply create a .desktop file that calls the runscript
developing for linux sure is hard

>>60513790
Proprietary software is cancer, it should be dragged out to the back yard and put down. Any issue that arises because of proprietary software should just be fixed by funding open source alternatives instead of fucking greedy jew software corporations.

>>60513829
no

>>60508709
--prefix= dipshit

>>60508835
>uncheck malware
>it still installs it

ya ok kid.

>>60513833
Why the fuck would you want proprietary software to exist, ever? It is like hiring a contractor to make a building and he doesn't give you the blueprints so you have to blindly trust him that it wont crumble and fall into your face.

>>60508819
Users are users, they don't have to give any crap about what happens behind the scenes

>>60511370
>breaking install

I wouldn't do this if i were you desu senpai.

>>60508709
One of the few things I dislike about Linux - this easy thing is unnecessarily unconvenient.

>>60508657
apt list php*
[find thing]
sudo apt install [result of finding thing]

>>60508954
You can either dpkg -i /path/to/package.deb on Debian or drag-and-drop it on Ubuntu. You still need to find the installer, only the installers are centralized on Github and not hidden in a 'downloads' HTML3 page or in Sourceforge.

>>60513853
never happened

>>60513904
no

>>60513904
because you can't monetize free software well and getting money for your work motivates people to create quality software

>>60513962
You can monetize support for it for example. See RedHat, or you can simply sell binaries and make the cheap people compile it.

>>60513700
because it's multimillions of lines of monolithic kernel aids.

Linux was a mistake.

>ywn shitpost on /g/ on your SPARCStation running a full GNU HURD System
kill me

itt:
>hur a dur windows is the best becuz it betr for brainless normie
1) this is /g/ why the fuck does anyone give a shit about the user experience of brainless normies i mean yes i can understand needing to appeal to them to take their money but that doesn't mean you should unironically regard software that best suits their needs as superior to software that best suits your own
2) why has no one yet written a simplicity layer for linux? like a DE that abstracts away the need for any complicated software whatsoever by building more user-friendly software on top of it. and if anyone still wants to use the complicated software for some reason such as doing a complicated thing then they can just open the terminal
2a) i guess that's kind of what DEs in general are for but still, even they are too complicated for the kind of brainlets who require windows, we have to go derper

>>60513940
are you sure cuck?

how do you know your computer isn't some botnet already?

because you can play cowadooty at full speed?

fucking neo /g/ winfaggots.
kys

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>>60514011
>2) why has no one yet written a simplicity layer for linux? like a DE that abstracts away the need for any complicated software whatsoever by building more user-friendly software on top of it. and if anyone still wants to use the complicated software for some reason such as doing a complicated thing then they can just open the terminal

>>60513992
Jokes on you
>Minix

>>60514013
fyi vidya is an art form and has the power to effect social change

don't get me wrong i'm not defending windows, i'm saying stop using the subject of gaymen to attack it and use one of the billions of other things wrong with it

this is some high quality bait

>>60514011
because all this would take money, and people are fucking cheap towards free software, they much rather feed the corporate pigs who are getting rich on selling proprietary solutions

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>brainlet winturds who literally have to run malicious installer binaries which also install literal malware
>easier to use than apt

also GNOME 3 pretty much has brainlets--like you winshitters, covered.

>>60514052
>art
>nonfree
>built for the sole purpose of commercial consumption

worst kind of art, just like that neue age cancer sold for thousands at galleries so rich city folk can jerk themselves off over how cultured they are.

>>60514011
>this is /g/ why the fuck does anyone give a shit about the user experience of brainless normies
I want them to use GNU/Linux so more developers develop software for GNU/Linux so more people can use GNU/Linux
it's not that hard to understand

>>60514052
It's art as much as football is. That is, not at all, by any sensible definition.
Is art incorporated into it? Sure.

>>60508986
Yeah cause the Java installer hasn't been trying to install Bing bar for at least 5 years

>>60508619
>right install
Well, at least we found the actual illiterate.

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>>60511186
>trying to install ubuntu on a VM
>crashes
Well done, loonix haxors

>>60514308
Well Linux is meant to host the VM not be the guest in it, install it on actual hardware man.

>>60513930
Aaaand it turns out that whatever you need to install isn't in the repos you've got.

>>60513008
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as free software, is in fact, open-source

>>60514418
Those two are not the same thing.

>>60514102
>nonfree
>built for the sole purpose of commercial consumption
Wrong, games aren't fundamentally like this, just mostly. And the ones that are -- that is to say, most of them -- I don't consider REAL art. Some of them come close to that ideal. Some of them, like Journey and Mother 3, truly speak, and are muffled only by their price tag. Because they are commercial products, they just can't bridge that gap, but they prove it can be done with the medium. I'll be one of the first to do it.

>>60514168
>It's art as much as football is. That is, not at all, by any sensible definition.
>Is art incorporated into it? Sure.
You've clearly never played a real game.

>>60514373
Basically no it doesn't

>>60514463
why argue on defining games as art when you can simply define them as an entertainment medium

>>60513829
Propietary software is the only way to go when you wan't to create standards and shit. Look at GNUtards making 10293102 distros, and they work on their own and the only thing they have in common is the kernel. In the other hand, you have larger communities working on a single proprietary OS

>>60508580
sudo apt-get install crysis
sudo apt-get install photoshop
sudo apt-get install mpc-hc
sudo apt-get install directx12
sudo apt-get install msoffice

Hmm none seem to work.

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>>60513904
>contractor builds a house
>I buy that house
>it works for me, cause don't fucking care about how houses are made
>I can do my work properly and go on with my life

>>60510863
On linux you have both options, on Windows you don't have a proper package manager.

>>60514506
Most of the distros are exactly the same with different theme + background combinations though.

>>60510889
And apt is a program that magically installs your programs. What's so hard about that?

>>60514524
Even if you buy it, there must be a blueprint, it is legally required. Source should be the same.

>>60514484
Because they have the potential to be art.
I know I sound like a broken record, but what choice do you leave me with? Your question is like asking "why argue on defining eggs as food when you can simply define them as reproductive byproduct?" Gee I dunno maybe because I want some eggs.

>>60514327
>Linux is meant to host the VM
I won't waste my pc's real power on that useless OS, I'm not a full-time programmer/autistic

>>60511113
>why is every 'linux is shit windows is great' thread sound like you want to convince yourself in the first place?
ftfy

>>60514560
Then what are you doing on /g/?
get back to >>>/v/

>>60514566
>why is every 'windows is shit linux is great' thread sound like you want to convince yourself in the first place?
ftfy

>>60514452
Linux is open source, not free... You fucking idiot

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>>60514582
not him but:
>he paid to use linux
mfw

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>>60514576
>you have to be autistic to post on /g/
What a projection, m8

>>60508819
>to the point users have no idea what goes in behind the scenes?
That's kind of the basic idea of usability, users not having to know details of how their tools function.

>>60514596
>implying people who use linux are autistic

>>60513761
not linux

>>60514596
If you think about Linux that way you have no place on /g/, that is what I mean.
You are the one who is projecting shit.
Like I said go play with your winbros it is that way >>>/v/

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>>60514605
No, but arguing that you SHOULD install it as your main OS is autistic af

>sudo apt-get install
>suddenly your desktop environment is broken somehow and you spend 4 hours googling which exact settings in config you should change to fix it

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>>60513958
Proprietary software is basically shit. Name one piece of proprietary software that isn't shit. I'll wait.
>mfw you can't reply "no" to this because that would mean you can't name one

>>60514560
Wrong board
>>/v/

>>60514625
>implying people who argue you should install linux as your main os are autistic

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>>60514052
>fyi vidya is an art form and has the power to effect social change

>>60514627
no

>>60514622
>>60514629
>loonix autistic childs
>implying that I use my pc for gayming
CAD software, Adobe suite, Visual Studio, etc.

>>60514637
they're, look at these fuckers shitposting

After installing ubuntu type a simple command to give root a password now the 'su' command works just fine like OSX/Debian machines instead of having to type sudo everytime you need to do a task that requires elevation.
Also, use apt install/apt search/apt -- etc cetera instead of overcomplicating it like apt-get/apt-cache.

>>60513904
>and he doesn't give you the blueprints so you have to blindly trust him that it wont crumble and fall into your face
In the first world we have those things called "diplomas" and "licenses" which serve as a guarantee of the building being constructed according to standards. Unless you are a structural engineer yourself there is zero use for you to look at the blueprints.

>>60508580
>windows
the OS gives you an easy to understand GUI, allowing you to do whatever you want
>linux
you have to waste time reading guides to even get started
It just works.
B-but it BSODs every single second! L-le botnet!

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>>60514520
Bad bait but here you go:
>sudo apt-get install crysis
https://steamdb.info/linux/
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?category1=998&os=linux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXr8bqzf45Y
https://www.youtube.com/user/tuxreviews/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/airspeedmph
https://www.youtube.com/user/Jakejw93/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/mrdeathjr28/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWZvwhwT1Sk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9gsu_YWUzE

>sudo apt-get install photoshop
Fair point but pic related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Mo3GTcOQ4

>sudo apt-get install mpc-hc
Install any GUI for MPV and you get a better setup than mpc-hc + madvr with much less effort.

>sudo apt-get install directx12
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Vulkan-1K-GitHub-Projects
https://github.com/vinjn/awesome-vulkan

>sudo apt-get install msoffice
- Use libreoffice and save your documents in ODF if you want to be always the owner of those documents and never depend on one entity. IF you need to share that document and it'll not be edited by other people use PDF.
- For documents that needs to be edited by more than one person i recommend online solutions like google docs. Honestly, unless you definitely need a feature only available on MSO, google docs is much nicer for working collaboratively.
- If you need to deal with Microsoft formats and you don't want to use their products you can check onlyoffice or WPS office.
- If you don't mind to use microsoft products but you don't like windows you can run MS office 2007 or 2010 on wine. I think you can run MSO 2013 with a recent version of crossver but i'm not sure about wine.

In 95% of the cases i'm well covered by libreoffice and google docs.

>>60513939
>You can either dpkg -i /path/to/package.deb
Oh, i see.
Muuuch better.

>>60514716
> sudo apt-get install nonfreesoftware
That's not how you linux, everything else was on point though

>>60514712
>windows
>Is teach to everyone from a young age thanks to deals with institutions and is forced on everyone.
>Gets a free pass for almost everything including what microsoft push on their users on purpose just due to familiarity.

>linux
>Tries one day with a bias to look for any fault.
>I found a fault! Therefore it's shit!

Be fair, am i actually wrong?

>>60514748
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Qftb2O--Y

>>60511390
>copy paste command in bash and/or add or uncomment a line in .config file
Whoda whatty? Anon, I need to be able to simply click it two or three times, not learn a new language and have to do an investigation to learn what bash, uncommenting and where and what the config file is. You tried to make something less simple sound more simple. Stop lying to yourself.

>>60514748
It's a good thing you have both options on linux despite what some people is trying to claim.

>>60514716
Don't see Crysis 1 in that list
That's using wine, not Photoshop natively, Wine is an emulator, doesn't matter if people don't like it being called that. I can install a virtual machine and run Linux if I wanted to say Linux only-programs run on Windows, but that doesn't make it run natively.
MPV is not MPC-HC
Vulkan can play FH3 now?
Libre office is not a good enough replacement for MSOffice and you know it.

>>60514762
this.
Honestly, i like some parts of linux, like it's modularity, but it's retarded at it a lot of times.
Example:
>On linux you can change the GUI however you want
Ok, let's do a minor change for fun.
>Have to do some digging in 2 config files and run terminal instructions just for a bit of unorthodoxy.
Yeah, no.

>>60508580
> sudo apt-get install cs:go
Fuck off OP with this bait.

>>60514788
>I can install a virtual machine and run Linux if I wanted to say Linux only-programs run on Windows, but that doesn't make it run natively.
No, there's the linux subsystem for that.
Soon available from the app store, in 3 different distro versions.
Also, without the bugs from wine devs absolutely refusing to touch anything that interfaces with the kernel.

Don't see what i can't do in windows with that combo, that linux can.

>>60514816
Windows defender here.
At least check the thread before you post.
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?category1=998&os=linux
Still no Crysis 1 though.

>>60508580
>open installer
>next... next...
>untick "install poopoopeepee toolbar"
>next
>finish

woah that was hard. you put so much focus on the most inconsequential shit. may as well complain about font rendering.

>>60514788
>I can install a virtual machine and run Linux if I wanted to say Linux only-programs run on Windows, but that doesn't make it run natively.
And then it would be an emulator, unlike Wine.

You can also install a virtual machine and run windows (in an emulator), the whole point of wine is to avoid it.

>>60514835
Wut?
OP bullshitted how easy it is.
But it isn't.

I used Linux distros for 6-7 years for desktop, and now I use them on servers. It's never easy. On any system.

>>60508580
>/g/ on repositories on gnu/Linux
>It's great, so convenient to get all your stuff from one place
>/g/ on windows store
>WHAT THE FUCK, MICROSOFT IS GOING TO FORCE US TO USE ONLY THEIR SOFTWARE, IT'S THE END OF FREEDOM AS WE KNOW IT
Really activates the almonds.

>>60514865
I'm using windows and you're mixing up who you're replying to.
But installing Steam would be.
sudo apt-get install steam, then simply install CSGO from steam.

> going through installer
> get to terms and conditions
> have to manually scroll to the bottom before it allows me to accept
> i accept the terms and conditions and wish to enroll to the Bethesda newsletter
Yeah no

>>60514788
>Don't see Crysis 1 in that list
You should at least check the channels on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LYZtDpDTTQ

>That's using wine, not Photoshop natively
There's alternatives but if you need a windows-only program wine is pretty useful.

>Wine is an emulator, doesn't matter if people don't like it being called that.
It's a compatibility layer, if it were emulating windows it would add a lot of overhead like dosbox for example, in this case it makes the program works as if it were native and it is even integrated with the OS.

> I can install a virtual machine and run Linux if I wanted to say Linux only-programs run on Windows
The same about windows of course.

>but that doesn't make it run natively.
Wine is not perfect but the programs actually runs natively unlike on an emulator.

>MPV is not MPC-HC
Duh? sorry for being rude but your initial bait was already pretty bad and the fact this conversation will stall on you saying "that doesn't count, it's not the same program" doesn't help. MPV is actually nicer IMO and it can be used as backend for multiple GUIs, but i respect your opinion if you think otherwise.

>Vulkan can play FH3 now?
What is FH3? Anyway, the point is that there's a competitive to DX12 and the links are in case you claim that vulkan is not being adopted.

>Libre office is not a good enough replacement for MSOffice and you know it.
Well, considering unlike me you don't provide a reasoning or a solution then yours is just an opinion and using the reasoning i provided in my previous post i politely disagree. The conclusion is that you can work as well on linux with either the alternatives or MSO itself as on windows.

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>>60514646
>kek he can't name one
>mfw

>>60514868
Proprietary software is murder.
Don't bring rational into this.

>>60514868
> repository
Open console, type what you want
> windows store
Open fullscreen window, create account, add debit card info, search for what you want, sign forms allowing you to use the software, then it doesn't download or doesn't let you play it afterwards if it's a game. Good luck getting customer support

>>60514803
>Have to do some digging in 2 config files and run terminal instructions just for a bit of unorthodoxy.
Don't lie please, this is only necessary for things like i3 but most DE (mate, cinnamon, kde, unity, gnome) don't need to touch config files or the CLI more than windows does.

>>60514865
Can you give an example of when it isn't easy?
Is it server applications where you need to configure the server?
Because on the desktop, it is always that easy.

>>60509695
sudo apt install <package-name>

>>60514915
It was baity, but my reason for not using MPV is that I didn't like the GUI, the controls and how it overall didn't do it as straight forward as MPC-HC while having very minimalistic and simple layout, controls etc.
MPV though is pretty much VLC without the faults of VLC (artifacts).

FH3 is a shitty racing game, and yes DX12 is limited to Microsoft Telemetry10, but the reason is that all Direct X games run so-so due to wine being as you said not perfect.

You can use alternatives but in the end they are alternatives and does not always work well if you do work at work, with for example PSD files from Photoshop and need the tools used there.

Good licensed programs are made for FagOSX or Wincucks becfause they have the larger userbase.
Hopefully it will change, just like how Vulkan will change how DirectX just got a potent competitor.
Dolphin scraped DX12 in favor for compatibility across platforms since as we all know DX is limited to Windows.

>>60508859
if you're this invested in maintaining a very specific system then consider switching to an OS that can handle multiple libraries i.e. the slot system on gentoo.

what you're mentioning isn't that uncommon but easy to work around. its installing x dependencies for its gui, which if you have any control over your package manager, you can avoid. for example use flags.

also, if you plan on using old stable for longer than its planned life, you might as well clone the repo locally.

>>60514900
Accept and Newsletter are two different clicks. Nice try, memester. Better luck next time.

>>60515037
> he didn't get accepted into the quake champions closed beta
On another note don't play it when it releases. They took the wrong approach to f2p games

>>60514915
>the point is that there's a competitive to DX12
that doesn't mean anything. opengl is out there for years.

>>60514520
If you are hellbent on being a winbaby, how come you are too stupid to follow the "click next" applications just because you are using a different platform

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>>60514841
>untick "install poopoopeepee toolbar"
Considering the exaggerated logic windows fanboys use against linux it's fair to add that:
>toolbar is installed anyway.

>>60513904
Because it keeps Linux fags out of all my professional editing software and the sweet external hardware that goes with it. It's always fun seeing DAW threads and knowing these mongs have to use caveman tools to get a worse product done.

>>60514917
no

>>60513761
nice buzzword senpai

>>60515064
You're quoting the wrong person.
>>60515065
What's worse Java installed things in on a delayed install a couple years ago.
iTunes still installs Bonjour which has a redirect trojan that opens survey sites on occasions.

>>60515071
This pretty much sums it up.

If it's free it's free because you get what you pay for.

>>60515020
>It was baity
Of course it was, that's why i was hardly taking it seriously but if you wanna talk in a more serious way it's much better.

>but my reason for not using MPV is that I didn't like the GUI, the controls and how it overall didn't do it as straight forward as MPC-HC while having very minimalistic and simple layout, controls etc.
Try smplayer with mpv as backend, there's a lot of GUIs that use it as backend and they're pretty simple to use.

>but the reason is that all Direct X games run so-so due to wine being as you said not perfect.
This is why supporting multi-platform technologies not locked by a single company is beneficial for the users, that way if you don't like something about one OS you just change it with no downsides.

>Good licensed programs are made for FagOSX or Wincucks becfause they have the larger userbase.
True, that's the main problem on linux, the egg-chicken catch game and it only can be fixed by a larger marketshare. Yet the claim that "Good licensed programs are made for" is pretty wide, there's actually a nice catalog of programs available for linux, there's a good pasta about this, i'm gonna post it after this post.

Regarding the rest i think we're in the same channel.

>>60514560
lol @ being cucked this hard

>>60514308
You managed to fuck up installing what is literally the easiest to install OS in existence. Ubuntu will run on a potato, too. You really are a special kind of retard.

>>60515145
This is the pasta, don't take it like a counterargument, take it more like suggestion if someone is interested in linux:
Kicad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCG4daPvuVI
Natron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2MvbfuITT8
Blender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDRTjzLNK0g
Krita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raKHHFv4nN8
Krita
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEoJgQAfb5Y
Lightworks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znIHsyqfm0
Kdenlive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8hO4K7mZG4
Unity3D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4BUcIDdpAM
Opentoonz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGFUtqM8oAs
Godot engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqumdhqy8Uw
BricsCAD VS Autocad
http://cad.softwareinsider.com/compare/5-10/AutoCAD-vs-BricsCAD
Bricscad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eLM3NrOJms
Freecad Demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XW0AqKG5zI
Freecad BIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmjz6WXyWBY
Freecad & 3D printing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqZeThC38ug
Gimp 2.10 features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5RIveQypgw
How to install photoshop on wine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Mo3GTcOQ4
Digikam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnk_VzedqlU
Pixar Film Production
https://youtu.be/JmH4KYcmHOo
Linux art 1
http://www.sylvia-ritter.com/new-gallery/
Linux art 2
http://www.peppercarrot.com/
Davinci Resolve
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

>>60515071
Why do you just coble together retardation when I ask a real question? You are just as stupid as those people who are against vaccines. You don't want to see the world progress because it fits your needs as it is. When will you understand that you aren't the most important human being and the only important things are made by multiple people passing on knowledge from one to another, proprietary software gets in the way of this.

>>60515071
>using a DAW on windows
Mac and linux have the best native music workstations

>>60515071
see >>60515167, specially the last link.

>>60515143
hope they discontinue the product you rely on and you learn what it means when other people can't pick the project up once the original creators got bored of it.

>>60508753
>having to compile to install on a separate drive

>>60515167
those looks like stopgaps that will never be as good as the actual windows softwares.

>>60515173
Finally someone with a good argument.

>>60515197
never forget the flash holocaust, now everyone are on unity but still it must hurt to be burned like that just for being shortsighted. The same happened to developers who invested heavily on directx and suddenly android rose and they must work twice to get a piece of the android's huge cake, surely those guys tried to shill windows phone but it didn't worked at the end.

>>60515145
>smplayer
I did try it but it also falls into the gui and such, worked wonders though.

>egg-chicken catch
Too many distros, too much fighting for which to be the official one to bring Linux to the easier to the end user is indeed it's weakness, though many just go Ubuntu or Mint and call it a day.

>>60515167
Gonna take a while to look through these.
>GIMP
Hmm tried it, didn't fancy it, but that's because I know Photoshop like my own hands.

>>60515197
The only program that discontinued that I can think of is Winamp.
Being discontinued does not mean it suddenly stops working but I get your point, but MY point was that when a program is driven by a company with multiple people they tend to be done much faster and more professionally than the FOSS ones, not always but most of the time.

>>60515134
No I wasn't. You listed applications you can't install from the repo because they are proprietary, but you can install them through their click next installer just fine.

>>60515173
Because it's passionate people that get together and make a business in the first place. Avid and Adobe dominate the media world (along with a few needed tools for quicker/better product), and they're made by professionals for professionals, and it comes at a cost because they need to pay the incredibly large teams of -real- programmers they employ, along with some change for their own pockets. And I'm happy to pay that, because I pay for the tools I use to make my own money. I even wrote iZotope a letter once telling them I'd pirated one of their tools in the past to learn, and bought the product when I made my money. They were fine with it because I did the right thing. I didn't make money editing with their software and go, "Well, that's that, fuck iZotope. Can't wait for the new update to pirate a few months after the official release."

Go be gross somewhere else. Some of us work, bum.

>>60515250
I respect but disagree with your opinion. At least now real knowledge about linux is flowing instead of FUD and misinformation as usual. Each one can judge the evidence.

>>60515270
Didn't know Crysis, a DX9/DX11-only game had a wine-free click-next installer on Linux.

>>60515287
>wine free
Obviously not, why do you keep moving the goal post?

>>60514959
>unity
Fun fact.
The thing that made me dig in configs was unity.
Don't remember what it was, but it was some minor shit that bugged me.

>>60515183
No they don't. Are you high? You also have to use Meistro for better keys on a Mac, when I can buy any old macro pad for any version of Windows and just have it work. Have fun being slow. There's a reason all the heavy lifting in my studio is done on Windows. We do develop out own programs for Windows on Linux though - the one good thing it has going for it.

>>60515318
>We do develop out own programs for Windows on Linux though - the one good thing it has going for it.
Speaking of, what's what the "Linux is super comfy for deving" meme?

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>>60514925
>proprietary software is cruel
>proprietary software is murder
>you can't catch software, it's the speedy linux burger

>>60514788
wine is not an emulator
an emulator emulates a virtual CPU executing the code
in wine the windows program code is running natively, it merely provides a few dlls and other things that allow them to transparently work on linux

>>60508604
>pwned
Off yourself

>>60515189
All of those tools suck, and Pixar mostly uses Linux to program (i.e. make tools for art to use on real stations). The few guys I know at the studio using Linux to edit are way slower than the Windows and Mac users.

>>60515360
>Off yourself
Off yourself

>>60515265
>I did try it but it also falls into the gui and such, worked wonders though.
k

>Too many distros, too much fighting for which to be the official one to bring Linux to the easier to the end user is indeed it's weakness, though many just go Ubuntu or Mint and call it a day.
All those are different OS crafted by different people which takes advantage of common components available freely, not an operative system with a lot of different version coming from the same entity. That's why i find your comparison incorrect and unfair at best. People has free will to start their own projects and in fact this is good for the natural selection process far from being a disadvantage, as you say software developers just target the most common distros anyway so this should not be a problem.

>>60515361
>The few guys I know at the studio

>>60515279
>muh pro software
you do realize professional software could be made with visible source as well, right?
Unreal Engine 4 comes to mind as an example, it is a AAA game engine and Epic, the software vendor is a moneymaking company. It is just this tendency of people accepting anything that comes from a huge company just because it is something made by someone big, that keeps proprietary software alive. It is really amateurish to hide behind the argument of opening their source would hurt the business.

>>60515308
But as i said, those DE doesn't need to mess with configuration files more than windows (the registry is much worse than using config files btw). To be fair unity was not designed to be configured a lot in the first place, it's one of the most restrictive DE in comparison and the target user are those who doesn't touch anything except maybe the wallpaper in the first place.

>>60515305
I have never moved them.
I've always brought up not using wine.

>>60515365
>this should not be a problem.
If linux is to try to be competitive with Windows they need to form a standard and not have hundred different distros ranging in different kernels thus fragmenting the userbase.
Just look at Android with all the different carriers.
Rooting to install AOSP is a thing less than 2% does.

>>60515386
There are only a few that bother using it, and they're mostly programmer bitch duty. It's funny watching them huff and puff over notes, which are ALWAYS Excel, by the way. The only one that doesn't bitch programs on Linux and runs Windows to do notes and edit. Face it, your OS eats dick.

>>60515361
>All of those tools suck
Hot opinion.

> and Pixar mostly uses Linux to program (i.e. make tools for art to use on real stations)
Ok let everyone watch the video and judge.

>The few guys I know at the studio using Linux to edit are way slower than the Windows and Mac users.
Again, hot opinion dude.

>>60515318
>windows is better for software for making music because it is better for hardware for making music but linux it is better for software for making software for making music on linux

Half of the argument was the more money you throw at a softwarre the more good it will make you as a musician. All I can say is on my music rig all of my free software works seemlessly with my other free software out of the box with all the hardware I have connected to it. The only downside to using linux for making music I can say is that ableton doesn't have a port, but this has made me realize there are cheaper alternatives that work on linux natively

>>60515429
>works in a place that is organized like utter shit
blames the OS

>>60515365
I'd just like to add that developers don't need to target one distro at all
Teamspeak3 works everywhere by packaging the shared libraries they use

>>60515422
>different kernels
different versions of the kernel at best, but how is this a problem?
>fragmenting the userbase
you fell for the meme
the truth is that all the choice separate distributions bring has zero downsides at all

>>60515429
I was implying that you don't know anyone from there :)

>>60515418
Ass argument. Epic made Unreal free because it's never been their cash cow.

>>60508619
Most (all?) distros have graphical package managers.

>>60508580
Because Windows actually gives you choice

>>60515422
>If linux is to try to be competitive...
Each one is a different product. The existence of different products that implements the linux kernel is not what affects the marketshare, better think about the following:
- Microsoft has deals with hardware companies, so most laptop and desktop computers comes bundled with their products.
- Most people uses whatever comes bundled with the hardware and i can bet a lot of them doesn't even know what is an operative system and that you can choose it. If the brand "Windows" were related to quality then WP would be the most used mobile operative system because the demand would be high.
- Microsoft has deals with schools, so people is trained from a young age to use microsoft products. For a lot of them it's a question of being a comfort zone, not even about the difficulty. I can say this because in my own experience most windows users never solve their own problems, they ask other people to solve their problems.
- Microsoft has a huge lock-in with their formats and APIs. Independently on if we can consider they products are good or bad, the fact is that they use anti-competitive measures to lock their users and developers. For example their document formats doesn't honors the "ISO standard" they supposedly issued. If they care about interoperability with competing solutions they would use the well documented version of their format. But no, they uses their dominant position to push a version of the format only they know exactly how it works (interestingly and despite this, i have gotten problems even with different versions of MSO). Most of the documents in this format are created with MSO and most people doesn't even knows about the strict version of the format, this makes their format a moving target for competitors at best. Their development tools is another good example if a lock-in, they only care about compatibility on markets where they're losing like server or mobile.

>>60515514
>Just look at Android with all the different carriers.
Exactly, each company does that they want but that doesn't affected the adoption, people just uses whatever comes bundled.

>Rooting to install AOSP is a thing less than 2% does.
I never talked about rooting anything. Check by yourself, every company like samsung or hwawei modifies android in a lot of ways and people uses that OOTB.

>>60508819
>this level of autism

People who are technologically illiterate just want everything to work, and that's OK. I want everything to just work, but unfortunately that will never be a thing. People don't need to know what goes on in the background when they're fucking around in Photoshop.

>>60515475
You can imply all you want, obvious intern. The brunt of our art is done with non-Linux machines. Linux would hold us back when proprietary offers us tools we can collaborate with, since you SHOULD know we have standards for collaboration, which we're almost always doing.

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>>60515540

linux will never become popular while its comunity keeps being autistic about open source and saying "it works on my machine :)".

>>60515540
>not collaborating with the tools that are superior for collaboration, i.e. linux tools
literally why even live

>>60512920
upboat

ever since its conception, its naming was a retarded language all on its own.
These are some words i remember first hearing about linux going "WTF" and they progressivley get weirder.

linux
ubuntu
distro
pacman
kernal
GNU

and that was before i learned about script, and then i learned about STALLMAN himself. like the whole thing is a disorganized shitfest that you have to learn, and ultimately, doesnt give you anything more than a working computer...which instead of spending 10 years learning a language for the sake of "freedum", you can spend some money and call it done.

is your time free? is your sanity free? is your brainspace free? is your social circle free?

>>60515578
"It works on my machine" is a valid counter to "it doesn't work on my machine therefor it doesn't work on any machine"

>>60515559
>show my ID
Or I could not. You couldn't prove my ID wasn't a Googled picture anyway. You're just trying to argue semantics now because you have nothing to fall back on. Linux is not an OS you use to work in a fast professional environment. Linux is not an OS you use when you collaborate with other studios. Linux is what you use when you have a gripe with a tool's limited use and ask one of the Linux bitches to see about making a better one.

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>>60515578
by this logic windows wouldn't be used by anyone, just try to criticize any kind of fault on a microsoft product, the only thing you'll get is a lot of ad hominems and name calling. And don't even let me start with the so called "PC Master Race".

>>60515608
it doesn't matter if it works on any machine other than mine. it should just work out of the box.

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Linux is OK, my problem with them is that most Linux users are autistic annoying pieces of shit, just like Stallman, Richard Stallman is the salvation and perdition of GNU/Linux.
Linux, as an open-source piece of software, needs a big enterprise (like Canonical) to drive a full OS to good terms, freetards keep segmenting the marketshare, making software for some distros cause HURRRR FREE SOFTWARE, EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE OPEN SOURCE AND FREE TO USE FOR EVERYONE
Open source > Free software
Prove me wrong.
>protip: you can't

>>60515612
Not him but trying to pull an "argument from authority" on an anonymous image board of all places was your best attempt at convincing anyone?

>>60515641
If it works on every machine other than yours, then the problem is not in the software.

>>60515676
kek you're just proving my point.

>>60515669
No, trying to tell people Pixar loves Linux was just wrong. Pixar uses Windows, Mac and Linux for different things.

>>60515514
>It's another episode of "People use Windows just because it's what's sold on their computers" linux apologetics;
No, nigga, there are places in this world that either:
a)load their pcs with a variety of OS's, for reasons(even FreeDOS);
b)require their sellers to use homegrown software;

But you don't see some substantial marketshare from those, either.

In fact, the only places that have a bit more marketshare are some shitty latin-american islands(and that's still 3-4, maximum 6%), and that's because the gov. swallowed the FOSS meme for various reasons.

Just give up, nigga. People don't want your crap.

>>60515641
Stop baiting, your "linux users are mean" sjw-like tactic is pathetic in the first place.

>>60515514
>>60515694

Also, docx is an open standard, strangely enough.

>>60515682
Oh so your first post was literally "all linux users are autistic and if anyone replies to me to say otherwise its just going to prove my point"

>>60509027
>literally drag and drop to the applications folder
>A lot of mac software dont use this anymore and only use normal installers.

Mac user here, I've never come across a "normal" installer, everything IS just dragged into the app folder

>>60515695
it isn't about being mean, it is about making a system usable by everyone, you autistic faggot. normies won't use an os that makes you visit stack overflow from time to time to solve problems that shouldn't exist.

>>60515668
Call it however you want, everything just needs to be it and that is all. Proprietary software should be simply outlawed.

>>60515688
>Pixar uses Windows, Mac and Linux for different things.
No one said otherwise, what are you trying to prove then?

>>60515694
>It's another episode of "People use Windows just because it's what's sold on their computers" linux apologetics
Trying to use weak shame tactics and strawmans will not make the argument to be wrong.

>load their pcs with a variety of OS's, for reasons(even FreeDOS);
>require their sellers to use homegrown software;
No one stated otherwise. What is the point?

>But you don't see some substantial marketshare from those, either.
Yes, it does. How many people chooses their OS, how many of them knows what is an OS and how many of them knows that it can be changed in the first place? furthermore, among that people how many of those would bother trying a different OS that the one it came bundled?

>In fact, the only places that have a bit more marketshare are some shitty latin-american islands(and that's still 3-4, maximum 6%), and that's because the gov. swallowed the FOSS meme for various reasons.
What are you even talking about now? What is what provided is a reasoning on what can affect the marketshare, how this statement negates what it was said about windows?

>Just give up, nigga. People don't want your crap.
Nice reasoning, pretty sure you convinced a lot of people right now.

>>60515740
Except you need to backup this claims. If it's about claims in my own experience windows is more problematic than windows and a lot more limited, the only advantage i see on it is that it has more support from third parties thanks to it's marketshare but to due to being easier or due to technical merits.

>>60515743
>Call it however you want, everything just needs to be it and that is all. Proprietary software should be simply outlawed.
>cause i said so
Cool freedom, heh?

>>60515786
>what are you trying to prove
Stop fooling soundfags into believing they should use Linux by showing them a video of Pixar, who mainly uses it to homegrow their own tools the public will never touch. Have them learn Pro Tools or anything else on Mac or Windows instead so they can at least have a chance of making it into any other studio. Pixar is the cream of the crop, and you'll almost never walk into a smaller studio that uses Linux, so you might as well get used to standard.

>>60515843
>Stop fooling soundfags into believing they should use Linux by showing them a video of Pixar,
What the hell are you talking about? If you talk about that video it's just evidence, each one can make it's own conclusions.

>who mainly uses it to homegrow their own tools the public will never touch.
Read why the pasta was posted in the first place and read what is written on the top. You're just false flagging accusing people of things that doesn't exists.

>Have them learn Pro Tools or anything else on Mac or Windows instead so they can at least have a chance of making it into any other studio.
The point is that exists capable tools on linux, a lot of them used by actual studios, something you've clearly not even bothered to check. Each one decides what they want to learn.

>Pixar is the cream of the crop, and you'll almost never walk into a smaller studio that uses Linux, so you might as well get used to standard.
Ok, again what you're whining about is just evidence, i didn't made that pasta but the video talks by itself.

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>>60515786
>No one stated otherwise. What is the point?
That if the whole "people just use what comes on their PC's" logic were true, you should see 40% of those folks in those places using mint, or ubuntu, or whatever else i saw in stores, or some local flavour of linux that came preinstalled because the law.

>How many people chooses their OS, how many of them knows what is an OS and how many of them knows that it can be changed in the first place?
A lot of people.
"Anon, put win7/ubuntu/whatever i like" on my PC is something i hear all the time.

>furthermore, among that people how many of those would bother trying a different OS that the one it came bundled?
Some.

>What are you even talking about now?
That most of the marketshare in pic related is from gov programs running on linux and some campaigns to push linux among their citizens(Russia, Cuba, China in multiple ways).
But even those attempts didn't do much.

>>60514743
Are you being sarcastic?

>>60516027
Not him, but he does have a point.

"apt" is an arbitrary name, but it's pronounceable. "apt-get install softwarename" is pretty easy to remember. Same with "apt-cache search somethingLikeSoftwareName" - back when I could barely linux I'd often forget whether to do apt-cache or apt-get for searching, but it would take me all of two tries to exhaust the entire search space.

"dpkg" is an unholy amalgamation which isn't even an acronym and is impossible to pronounce. Then you pass an -i flag - more memorising, and "-i" is far more obscure to someone who has never used the CLI than "install". Why the dash, for example? Then you provide the path to the package, meaning you have to know where it is in the linux filesystem - not trivial if you're only used to babby-sitting GUIs like macOS.

>>60515968
>Almost 4% of desktops use Linux in Venezuela.
Thank God my parents bore me in the US. What a nightmare.

>>60508619
>alias install="sudo apt-get install"
Problem solved.

>>60515968
>That if the whole "people just use what comes on their PC's" logic were true, you should see 40% of those folks in those places using mint, or ubuntu, or whatever else i saw in stores, or some local flavour of linux that came preinstalled because the law.
I see, that's a good point but i also provided more point that affects the marketshare like familiarity, what do you expect if entire generations was trained into using windows? Your graphic in fact shows that if more computers are bundled with linux the marketshare is bound to grow a lot but the fact the effect is obviously not immediate is what you're using as a proof that it's not significant. As you can see if computers are bundled and the goovernment promotes an OS the situation will start to revert.

>"Anon, put win7/ubuntu/whatever i like" on my PC is something i hear all the time.
A lot of people compared to the total? i don't think so. It's true that varies depending on the country but i'll let the experience of each one talk: on certain contexts linux is known but the amount of people that would bother to even try it is overally very small around the world.

>Some.
k?

>That most of the marketshare in pic related is from gov programs running on linux and some campaigns to push linux among their citizens(Russia, Cuba, China in multiple ways).
>But even those attempts didn't do much.
Are those efforts significantly big enough to compare it with the deals microsoft has with schools and institutions and their marketing? If the answer is no my point keeps the same, linux can be pushed in the government but as long people is accustomed to use windows and they're locked to use windows specific programs they'll need to at least dual boot inflating the windows marketshare heavily. Again, i provided multiple reasons that has a variant weight on the situation, yet you're only trying to disprove all of them by attacking only one and no bothering on analyzing how they interact in the first place.

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>>60516154
Or you know, just clicking on the package and letting qapt or gdebi, a simple gui for all this to take care. Hell, even the software centre takes care of deb packages that doesn't come from the repos with one click. All this making completely moot your and he's point. No offense but you people should research a bit (a simple google search is enough) before replying so lightly thinking you're right.

>>60515968
>Russia
Have you seen how much they're making online games their bitch right now? These guys can parkour, win online and cold-heartedly talk your girlfriend into downing some vodka and cock. No way they'd use a shit OS like Linux unless they wanted to fuck people with WannaCry.

>>60516176
>Your graphic in fact shows that if more computers are bundled with linux the marketshare is bound to grow a lot
It grew to 6% in a place that's been cut off economically from a lot of the rest of the world for 50 years, and the gov heavily pushing for linux in all areas to not rely on the US.
If it can't succeed in Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea, where do you expect it to succeed?

>Are those efforts significantly big enough to compare it with the deals microsoft has with schools and institutions and their marketing?
I think making multiple OS's and making heavily sponsored campaigns to make them convenient counts as such.

Are you are also talking mostly about US-hating autocracies and Africa.
Where do you expect less of Microsoft contracts and shenanigans than there?

linux will be good once microsoft makes its own distro

>>60516408
Heh.
They actually made a unix version(xenix), and it became the most popular one on the market.

>>60516277
>It grew to 6% in a place that's been cut off economically from a lot of the rest of the world for 50 years, and the gov heavily pushing for linux in all areas to not rely on the US.
Are you for real? The first release of their distro was in 2009 and was not started to be bundled with computers until 2011 thus making your "a place that's been cut off economically from a lot of the rest of the world for 50 years" argument completely moot. Even worse, those machines comes with both windows and linux, so it's pretty clear that people is not obligated to use linux there thus coming back at my point: all the previous generations of people that can access to computers in cuba grew with windows. If you give to that people who is heavily familiar with windows a computer with both OS which one you think they'll choose? The fact that since 2011 the marketshare is already 6% proofs that bundling computers with an OS heavily impacts the marketshare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_(operating_system)

>If it can't succeed in Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea, where do you expect it to succeed?
Cuba was already explained. Regarding venezuela the OS is the official for the public administration, not necessarily the regular people, also there's no signs that the amounts of computers bundled with it on stores can compare with the number of computers bundled with windows. Venezuela is in a very ugly spot right now so if the computers they buy comes with windows i seriously doubt they're in position to change to an os the government they're even fighting with promotes.

Regarding north korea, while it's not known that much there's videos that shows the computers comes with windows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtDWYzwwuUs

>>60516595
>I think making multiple OS's and making heavily sponsored campaigns to make them convenient counts as such.
Have you ever see the publicity power MS has? Government and universitary campaings cannot compare with being constantly bombed with ads about windows on TV, internet, magazines, etc.

>Are you are also talking mostly about US-hating autocracies and Africa.
I never mentioned that do i?

>Where do you expect less of Microsoft contracts and shenanigans than there?
Is strange that places that are supposed to be enemies with US keeps using windows as their os but that's the reality.

>>60516243
That anon specifically suggested

dkpg -i /path/to/package.deb

, which is what the subsequent discussion was about.

Yes, there are other ways to install packages, there are GUIs, there are different package managers with different frontends, or you can even pull all sources from upstream and manage dependencies by hand. None of that is relevant to the point that was being discussed. It's still relevant to the thread and worth mentioning, but telling me to go research stuff that has no bearing on the point I was making is pointless.

>>60516859
>which is what the subsequent discussion was about.
>Yes, there are other ways to install packages, there are GUIs, there are different package managers with different frontends
Yet all this was ignored on subsequent arguments.

>None of that is relevant to the point that was being discussed.
It is in my opinion thanks to the last sentence:
>not trivial if you're only used to babby-sitting GUIs like macOS
While the sentence is correct it can easily be interpreted that linux is much harder while the mentioned way is optional existing user-friendly methods. Also one of your arguments is that you need to provide the whole path to the file but this is not true since usually file managers allows to open a CLI starting on the directory you're located, but that was not mentioned too.

>but telling me to go research stuff that has no bearing on the point I was making is pointless.
If your point is that dpkg by itself is not intuitive for the average user then is fine and i agree, but i think the fact that the average user doesn't need to use it for installing packages that are not in the repo, like .deb files, it's too important to just be ommited.

>>60517126
>If your point is that dpkg by itself is not intuitive for the average user then is fine and i agree
Good

>but i think the fact that the average user doesn't need to use it for installing packages that are not in the repo, like .deb files, it's too important to just be ommited
Agreed

However the argument was literally "is dpkg -i better than apt-get install?". If you look at the reply chain, someone complained about having to type apt-get install, someone else suggested dpkg -i, and it started from there.

>>60508580
>Linux
No choice where to install whatsoever
>Windows
Pure freedom. YOU can choose where you wanna install your program

its not. you're just autistic