/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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R8

>>60495185
Cheating, huh? The old thread hasn't even hit it's bump limit.

Check post times.

You sure are scared, aren't you?

>>60495237
Did you break it or is shit for vibration or something?
you need to cable manage your room my friend

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>>60495264
My case was too small for a good air cooler so I figured I had to use a meme water cooler.
Turns out that was also a bit too thick.
So now panel is duct taped on.
Also after I taped it up a wire got in a fan so I had to redo...

>>60495292
oh lord
should've bought a new case

>>60495237
>>60495292
on the plus side, taping the seams like that will help with dust management.

>>60495185
do we have any leaked r3 benchmarks yet?

>>60495318
no, but that could easily be done by disabling SMT on an R5 1400

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>>60495310
CPU + Cooler + Delid kit cause I'm a bitch already so expensive.
Plus this way I don't have to worry about people stealing my PC, everybody thinks it is shit.
Got to grab some Pentium inside stickers.

>>60495315
Don't have to worry about dusting if I can't access the inside.

>>60495185
>i7-7700k may have heat issues even at stock clocks
Incorrect. This is just muh housefire memes that retards included in the OP.

>RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz
>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz
You can't claim that a 15% more powerful card can run 1440p as good as a 15% less powerful card runs 1080p, retard. Extra VRAM doesn't magically make it 1440p approved.

There are [(1440 x 2560) - (1080 x 1920)] / (1080 x 1920) = 77% more pixels in 1440p

1440p starts with the GTX1070. Get over it, fanboy. When Vega drops the situation might change, but not until then.

>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580
Incorrect. They are average out fairly equally. Hardware Unboxed shows a 2% difference. Fuck off, fanboy.

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>>60495185
Also there's no mention of the GTX 1050 in the OP, which a great price/perf budget 1080p gfx card.

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>>60495420
>Incorrect. This is just muh housefire memes that retards included in the OP.
I hope you are right. I delidded because of those memes. Still doesn't change the fact that the TIM they include is garbage though.

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>>60495420
>Incorrect. This is just muh housefire memes that retards included in the OP.
The 7700k heats issue is a meme? Do you think you can just push clocks of a CPU enormously high, call it stock clock and it'll be good to go?
The 7700k has heats issue, even intel acknowledges it. If you don't delid, even a good cooler won't cool it that efficiently.

>You can't claim that a 15% more powerful card can run 1440p as good as a 15% less powerful card runs >1080p, retard. Extra VRAM doesn't magically make it 1440p approved.
>There are [(1440 x 2560) - (1080 x 1920)] / (1080 x 1920) = 77% more pixels in 1440p
Why the fuck are you being autistic with numbers?
I could do the same with any claim of the OP because there's always some games that will shit the bed at 1080p even on a fucking RX 470 or even RX 480
People have been doing 1440p fine since the rx 390 & gtx 970 days. The RX 480 is good at it, as long as you drop the retarded settings.

>Incorrect. They are average out fairly equally. Hardware Unboxed shows a 2% difference. Fuck off, fanboy.
There's more to performance than average.

What are the best value cheap case fans? I'd prefer something with ball bearings instead of a bushing as I want them to last for a long time.

>>60495510

>good cooler

that's why you get an awesome cooler

>>60495510
>Why the fuck are you being autistic with numbers?
Let me guess, you failed second grade math.

>People have been doing 1440p fine since the rx 390 & gtx 970 days.
That was a long time ago. In terms of graphics card series, the 970 is equivalent to the 1070. They fill the same role in the lineup. No one would suggest a (3.5) 970 for 1440p at this point, and no one should be suggesting a 480, which is only approximately as powerful as the TWO AND A HALF YEAR OLD GTX970.

Yeah, it was a 1440p card then. It isn't now.

>new to PC building
>doing tons of research to build my first gaymer PC
>all my research leads me to Ryzen
I am now an AMD fanboy.

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https://www.mindfactory.de/shopping_cart.php/basket_action/load_basket_extern/id/fc13112217c495f54196584f80ec399df44e05e42c9196c9ec8

rate my build, budget was 890€ so forget the case :p

>>60495441
>Literally deliding
AHAHAHHAHA

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>>60495569
>In terms of graphics card series, the 970 is equivalent to the 1070. They fill the same role in the lineup.
Are you suggesting that the GTX 970 did well at 1440p maxed on the game of it's time and that he GTX 960 was the 1080p card or some other dumb shit?
No, the GTX 970 didn't do 1440p well when maxed, pic related. Wasn't even close.
But if you dropped the retarded settings, then yeah you could easily get a stable 60fps, while still getting an almost identical graphical quality.

>no one should be suggesting a 480, which is only approximately as powerful as the TWO AND A HALF YEAR OLD GTX970.
By that logic, no one should be suggesting the RX 580, because it's literally the same as an RX 480 but with slightly higher clocks. And yet, it outperforms the GTX 1060 in newer games, as seen in here >>60495510

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>>60495591
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>60495607
>WD black
It's not for you, get a WD Caviar Blue. Much less expensive.
>400w PSU
That's not enough. Get a 500w, that will leave enough room for OC & power spikes.

>153€ case
Why?

>GTX 1060 KFA2
I'd suggest you get an MSI RX 580 instead, which is about 9€ cheaper, comes with more RAM, and outperforms the GTX 1060 in newer games as seen in >>60495510
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-MSI-Radeon-RX-580-Armor-8G-OC-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1167761.html
But GTX 1060 is still fine.

>>60495663
thanks actually I built this pc for a friend and he wanted that housing so much

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>>60495769
Why? There are plenty of cases that are good looking at $100 and under, you don't need a $150 case for that
With the money saved you could up the CPU to an R5 1600 which will last longer than the 1500x because of the 6 cores

>>60495607
RAM is a little slow and might not work well with the mobo.

PSU is weak. You've really limited your upgrade options to save a few euros.

>>60495617
>By that logic herp derp
You lack logic, but have exceeding stupidity.

No one who spends $250 - $600 on a 1440p monitor is going to buy a $200 gfx card to drop settings and barely get by.

The only reason to recommend a 580 is that it is an AMD card, and the OP is obsessed with Team Red.

Regarding Crysis3: First, it was one of the most graphically demanding games of its time, if not the most. So you've cherrypicked an outlier to try to say that the 970 was weak at 1440p. (And by the way, if the 970 was weak way back then, why the hell would I want to buy a similarly powered card NOW for 1440p? Again, you're a fucking moron.)

Secondly, notice that the 980Ti (the TOP consumer card) would have been the only card to get that sixty FPS. 1440p was an enthusiast resolution, much like 4K today.

Stop recommending the 580 just because Team Red lacks a real 1440p card.

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>>60495621

>>60495821
>$250 - $600 on a 1440p monitor is going to buy a $200 gfx card to drop settings and barely get by.
$200 is an RX 470, you autist.

>The only reason to recommend a 580 is that it is an AMD card, and the OP is obsessed with Team Red.
Sure thing buddy, one of the best argument i've ever heard. I bothered to give arguments about my opinion throughout the thread, if you can't be bothered to do the same i'm not gonna bother answering not reading the rest of your message. Probably consists of namecalling again and some other dumb shit.

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>>60495844
My bad nigger, I rounded to the nearest hundred.

>I bothered to give arguments about my opinion throughout the thread
Your argument is that, because a 580 would have been decent for 1440p two or three years ago, before new generation of consoles, before the PS4 Pro, before the 14nm die shrink, before 1440p became more mainstream, I should buy a 580 NOW for 1440p.

You. have. no. argument.

I really wish shitposters would stop coming to these threads. The whole purpose is to help people build their pc and give them informations they do not possess, yet people come in here and do their best to shitpost and start drama.

falcon seems to have a lot of free time lately

>>60495910
The shitposts are 60495822, 60495621, 60495934, 60495612, 60495310. It's unfortunate, but /g/ is the new /v/.

The drama is just /v/irgins getting their panties in a knot when /g/entoomen show up

>>60496002
I fail to see how >>60495310 recommending a new case instead of sticking to one where the cooler doesn't fit is a shitpost.

>>60495934
I'm pretty sure it's just some other fag trying to destroy his reputation.

Falcon used to be nice, even if he was a shill.
This other guy is completely intolerable.

>>60496052
>This other guy is completely intolerable.
Oh sorry, did I bite off your head and shit down your throat earlier? Try not being a fucking moron and you'll find me to be interesting, reasonable, and generally worthwhile to read.

>>60496045
It was of a conversational tone and of no substance/value. This isn't /soc/. Unfortunately this post falls in the same category

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J6bk3F
Thinking of building a desktop for friend. I have an old 760 I upgraded from and I'll be using that for the GPU since he doesn't game but does a lot of video and photo editing. Any problems with this?

>>60496052
>I'm pretty sure it's just some other fag trying to destroy his reputation.
>>>/pol/ for conspiracy theories

>>60496104
Which software will he be using?
Photoshop doesn't benefit much from more core although it does in some case

In any case, that AIO is quite overkill, as high end $80 air coolers perform just as good or very close.
The rest is pretty good.

>>60496104
Looks good. You might upgrade to an m.2 drive for simplicity and get a second HDD for redundancy if it's for work

>>60496121
Sony Vegas and Photoshop and whatever does rendering. Not too sure what he actually uses. And I figured I'd throw the AIO since it would fit in the front of the case nicely. Also I was thinking of overclocking it if neccessary, which is why I considererd the AIO.

>>60496140
Then yeah those two together will definitely benefit a lot from the extra cores
The AIO is just pretty expensive for what it offers but if you wanna get it it's fine still

>>60496148
The case comes with 2 fans so I thought the AIO would be nice since I can move the default front fan to the top for airflow. Is there a better fan to use that would fit the case?

Aside from size, what are the differences between mATX and ATX?
ITX has too much compromise for the small size to interest me.

>>60496104
> 760 I upgraded from and I'll be using that for the GPU since he doesn't game
Keep in mind that modern software such as Adobe shit can benefit from the GPU in certain workloads that utilize OpenCL or CUDA.

i wonder if anyone has bought an i3 7350k

>>60496305
I was wonderinig the same thing. It has no logical reason to exist.

>>60496349
Emulator build or other purpose that needs the strongest single core performance possible. Please fuck off back to whatever shithole you came from, redshill

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>>60496305
At least 3 people have done it on pcpartpicker. Sad thing is it already out preforms the 8350 except in applications that can use 8 cores.

>>60496349
It's good for HTPC emulators and dwarf fortress.

Like if you just want to make a box in your living room that just runs emulators. It's the only one you can overclock the iGPU on. Though a lesser i3s or even a G4560 works perfectly fine for Dolphin and PCSX2. So idk.

It's very similar performance to the i5-2500k in gaming. But the i5-2500k isn't good enough anymore.

I got my build coming in the mail soon but I don't know how I'm going to transfer my music and images over. I'm using a laptop now, can I just stick my laptop HDD in the second HDD slot, then just drag the files I want onto the new HDD?

>>60496631
Yeah, but move the files to a non-My Documents type folder first. Sometimes Windows encrypts those folders depending on settings

>>60496631
Transfer over a network?
Just mark the whole drive as shareable.

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>>60496631
Yes, you can plug a laptop hard drive into a desktop computer and copy the files from it into the main hard drive perfectly fine.

When i was poor, my computer used to have both a laptop hard drive an an xbox 360 hard drive.

>>60496631
If you have windows 10 disable fast boot first. If you don't then windows marks the drive as "in use" and other operating systems refuse to touch any of the files.

>>60495185
>webm
what kind of disgusting degenerated monster would do thing like this
i think someone is chopping onion..

http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27UD68-W-4k-uhd-led-monitor is this monitor any good for 460 euroshekels? I have 1600x and rx 480, plan to get vega or 1080.

>>60496705
Calm down, it's just an old AM3 mobo, Let people have a little bit of fun before they recycle their old junk.

>>60496818
>http://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-27UD68-W-4k-uhd-led-monitor
>only 99% of sRGB
That's REALLY bad if you care about color quality.

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So uh, why?
What's the reason for such different prices on near identical CPUs?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/zCwDVY

Since Kaby was released I landed on this build.
Might not get a GPU at all as I mostly play 2d platformers. In which case would anyone recomend the G4600 for better iGPU?

>>60496882
There's a reason people on budgets are pointed to the G4560. The 7100 is only 10% better for twice the price.

Is getting a SSHD instead of a HDD worth it if i do a lot of work with photography and video RAW files? Backing up several gigs of files is slow as shit with my current 5400 RPM HDD.

Best 1440p IPS monitor for ~400€?

>>60497010
Probably that Nixeus one if it's the same price there.

Or MG279Q if you can find it on sale and from a retailer that takes no questions asked returns in case you get dead pixels.
Or do you mean just a 60hz one for color accuracy and light levels? Probably a Dell or HP.

>>60497010
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwgPxr/dell-s2417dg-238-165hz-monitor-s2417dg
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/c298TW/asus-monitor-mg279q

>>60496937
No. SSHD has very limited amount of fast storage and only places a handful of files in there. So if you're not frequently accessing the same files then it won't speed up anything. Get a job and trade your wagecoins in for a high capacity SSD.

>>60497071
Already have a 500GB SSD, I need mass storage too

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/vgcag/ - Video Game Console Assembly General

>>60497101
Go for a raid setup then. Buy a NAS box, throw 3-4 hard drives in them and watch as your files fly across over ethernet Some NAS devices allow you to have a seperate m.2 or mSATA drive as cache, you could even consider that if you have the dough for it. Won't speed up read times but it'll allow you to send files over without having to wait for them to get written.

>>60497119
>/g/ - Memes, consumer electronics and videogames

>>60497052
I do lots of gaymen, but I'm too poor for a 1440p at 144fps IPS monitor. I only have a GTX 1080 anyway. I think I'd rather have a higher resolution than a higher refresh rate since I prefer single player games.
Monitors are way more expensive in yurop too.
There's no way I can find a MG279Q for less than 500€.

>>60496882
If you are planning to use iGPU G4600 is worth the extra over G4560 since it has 2x execution units in the iGPU(Intel HD 610 vs HD 630). For builds with a dedicated graphics card the G4560 is optimal since the clockspeed difference between the two are negligible.

Hey guys, wanting to know any websites that'll teach me how to build a pc, completely new to the pc gaming scene, no experience whatsoever

>>60497232
Thank you, will likely go G4600 without GPU.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/rYRnhq

>>60497268
There are plenty of tutorial videos in youtube or written tutorials in google, just search for them.

https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC#Building_your_PC

>>60497280
Alright. You should still try to get 2400mhz ram since faster memory speed helps iGPU performance and going from 2133 to 2400 should not be that much extra. Also remember to check the bios for iGPU performance settings since some boards have features that let the iGPU run faster.

>>60497144
What RAID level is the way to go then? Getting something like 5 or 6 500GB HDDs and using RAID 10?

>>60497280
I'd get a mobo with wifi. USB wifi sucks

>>60497477
>500GB HDDs
why not 1TB or 2TB drives?

I'm drumming up a build for a PC and realised I have no idea how to shop for a WNIC.

I'm a total dunderhead, can anyone give me some advice? Should I be plugging it into a usb port or a pci port?

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>Your package was cleared after the scheduled transport departure. We will reschedule for the next available departure. / Your delivery has been rescheduled for the next business day.

>>60497520
Figured 500GB would be cheaper but turns out 1TB drives are cheaper than 500GB now

>>60497532
USB is better because you can use a cable to position your dongle for best connection.

>>60497563
Seagate Barracuda 2TB drives are like $69, while WD Caviar Blue 1TB's are $48.
For the money, the 2TB is better

>>60497579
So let's say I wanted to stick some WD Reds in my PC without a NAS Box for mass storage, would it be worth putting at least 4 of them for RAID 10 then? Not that anon by the way

>>60497579
Alright, so what RAID array is the best to go with then? Seems like RAID 1 and RAID 10 are the most common choices but RAID 1 is just focused on speed while RAID 10 has better reliability?

What is the best ram speed to get?

>>60497714
The highest your motherboard supports. The difference in cost between different speeds of RAM is minimal, there's really no reason to not get the fastest your mobo supports.

>>60497723
The motherboard I'm getting apparently supports up to 4133. I've never seen any that high though.
Do speeds that high have temp problems? Would I need a fan for my RAM or is that a meme?

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>>60497563
Casing and assembly make up most of the purhase price, the disks themselves are dirt cheap. Thus low capacity hard drives are relatively expensive.

>>60497646
>Raid 0: best performance, no redundancy
>Raid 1: best redundancy, mediocre write performance, severy limits your capacity
Raid 10 combines these two, giving you benefits from both sides. It has better write speed and gives larger capacity than raid 1 and doesn't die if one drive gets fucked.

>>60497714
Diminishing returns hit hard after 2666 mhz, at least for gaming. You do still benefit from higher frequencies but they're not woth the premium that some companies charge for them. Spend your money on other components rather than meme RAM.

>>60497743

>Do speeds that high have temp problems? Would I need a fan for my RAM or is that a meme?

It is Grade-A marketing meme. In fact no ram runs hot enough to even need a heatsink given the typical airflow a pc case has. All those flashy looking ram sticks are (generally) just marketing gimmicks because memory technology advances very slowly so manufacturers add bling to entice people to pick one brand over the other when it is generally all the same shit.

>>60497743
Stick to something like 3000 or 3200 then, you don't need a fan or anything like that.

I realized the ryzen is jack of all trades and master of none so I'm going with Intel

>>60497868
what?

>>60497843
>>60497851
Thanks lads.

>>60497878
Its called an idiom pajeet

>>60497868
>master of none
Y'know, aside from everything but video games

>>60497908
Stuff that a Xeon would beat it

>>60497915
Sure, show me an 8 core Xeon that can clock at 4 Ghz that costs 330 bucks and I'll consider it

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>>60497915
>this $2000 processor is superior in some specific workloads
>it also loses in a lot of others =)

>>60497961
You will see with skylakex

>>60497981
I prefer not lighting my house on fire, thank you

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So I just bought this thing, is there a a pcie 802.11ad that i can add to a pc right now, or i have to wait till next year?

>>60496833
i have an old 1.3 GH processor and i'd never treat it like this ;.;
especially when he is working :P

>>60498039
>bought the 802.11ad meme
kek
FYI, you only get full speed from the WAP if you're in the same room as the router. If there is even the tiniest obstruction in the way, the WAP switches back down to lower 802.11ac standard frequencies. So you basically overpaid for a glorified 802.11ac router that goes a tiny bit faster on a dry day when your device is smack up against those antennae.

If I buy a 1080 now how long will it be adequate for?

>>60498190
Depends on what you consider as adequate. It'll be useable untill 1280 is released but as time goes on you'll have to drop down resolution and/or settings to keep framerates at playable levels. If you want great performance then you'll need to buy the latest XX80 version every time one is released to keep up.

>>60495882
Not the same guy, but if i were to buy one of them i would buy whatever is on sale personally. They are pretty much the same thing in regards to performance. I do think that to are a team green fag. But i when i bought my 480 i have ran it at 1440 and again WITH LOWER SETTINGS it does fine.

>>60495185
>crucial ssd now at 128 euros instead of 148 euros

It's so tempting to go in and buy the ssd and the case. Idk if I should wait longer or buy it for my pc.

>>60498254
>They are pretty much the same thing in regards to performance
Not sure what you mean by "they," but if you're talking about the RX 480/580 and GTX1070, they are nothing close to the same.

I played some of the Mad Max game at Ultra 1440p super sampled with my 470. Doesn't mean it's a 1440p card.

>>60498241
Retarded answer. Trolling?

>>60498190
If you're at 1440p a couple of years. Don't buy it for 1080p.

>>60497756
>Diminishing returns hit hard after 2666 mhz, at least for gaming.
Not really. 3000 is the point of diminishing returns.

>>60497714
3000MHz. It will run at 3000 on a Z mobo and 2933 if it's compatible with a B350/X370

>>60498319
From what I've read, memory prices won't fall this year.

>>60498337
Oh sorry thats my fault i was referring to 580 and 1060, but yeah the 480/580 are the same thing

My aim is 2560*1080@60FPS with AAA games.

Which card should I get to achieve exactly this? I don't want to waste money on performance I don't need.

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>want to OC my CPU up to like 4.0ghz
>already have a giant-ass radiator in it
>download OCCT
>never actually OC'd anything before
Well... now what? Is this an alright guide on how to do it?
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2519803/overclocking-3570k-gigabyte-motherboard.html#r15210761

>>60498556
your ram frequency is low are you sure it's the correct value ?

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r8 the build I planned for programming and gaming (I don't play demanding stuff)

>500gb ssd for dual booting
>hdd is not needed (for now), I don't have loads of data desu
>8gb ram stick for future upgrade if needed

dont really wanna go higher in terms of pricing

>>60498640
Holy shit, it's supposed to be 1600mhz, at least that's what it says on the stick. Can I change this in the bios?

>>60498556
>667 mhz

that's even lower than my 7yo ramsticks lol. somethings wrong in your bios

>>60498691
Looks good to me. My only complaint is that I don't like the brushed plastic look of Fractal Design cases.

>>60498556
>>60498736
I'm pretty sure this is just a Speccy issue. It reports mine at 667 too, but it's surely not.

>>60498640
Speccy shows the single data rate instead of double data rate (DDR)

>>60498529
Hard to say exactly. Not many benchmarks out there for UW. Getting smooth performance is a mix of enough raw power, tweaking settings, using Vsync correctly, and avoiding screen tearing.

You can get away with an RX 580 or go a little overboard with a GTX 1070.

Honestly there aren't that many good UW monitors out there. Most don't have a refresh rate that passes 75.

>>60498723
yeah but if you got 2 stick i think you're supposed to put only half because the system always display half of it
so 800 mhz should be fine

>>60496222
bumping for an answer

>>60498788
>>60498811
yeah i know but
if got 1600 mhz on the stick it should be 800 then

I want to upgrade my PC. Right now I have an FX-4100 and an R9 280x. I use it for Solidworks and gaymen. It does okay but lags on large assemblies and I can't max out any games. I want to keep my motherboard, so on a budget of <$700 (less being better), what should I get for my:

>CPU (must be AM3+)
>GPU
>SSD (just to run the OS and maybe 1 or 2 programs that could benefit from it)
>1TB+ HDD

Also, if I have some malware on my current HDD and do a clean install on a new SSD and boot from the SSD, and use the old HDD as extra storage for movies and stuff, can my new SSD install be infected by the old HDD?

>>60498811
Exactly my problem, why I can't decide. There aren't any UW benchmarks to go on. And yes, mine is 75Hz, that's why I wouldn't want to go overboard.

The RX 580 seems reasonable, if it doesn't do, I can still return it for a refund I guess.

Thanks!

>>60498838
If you're not changing OS, yes. You need to clean the old drive.

>>60498816
>>60498736
>>60498788
It was at 1333mhz or so in the bios, I bumped it up to 1600.

So about the CPU overclocking, I bumped it up to 3.9ghz now after following that guide above. Time to benchmark test it?

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>>60497501
>>60497339

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6qfVPs
This seems much better.

I thought to myself just now that I am currently playing my games on (pic related). If this can handle every 2d platformer +Borderlands 1 at min and orcs must die mid settings then I do not need a GPU yet. I'll get one if I come accross a game that needs it.

Thanks to both of you.

While I'm here, anyone want Orcs msut die 2 with DLC's?
Bought 2 copies by accident and no one I know wants it.

>>60498838
being a fx owner i would advise you to change your cpu
i think the FX-9590 is the best you can get but the housefire meme are true in this case

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>>60495185
Hey guys, just finished assembling my pc and was wondering do I need any of those things? I'm using msi b350m gaming pro with r5 1600.
>inb4 gaming
It was the cheapest b350m motherboard available to me.

>>60498868

Go run Intel Burn Test and report back.

>>60498914
you need whatever lets you update BIOS, the rest is probably worthless

>>60498914
no, you don't need any of those, those are utility apps
what you do need are chipset drivers, audio drivers, ethernet drivers, and anything that you can find on the download page
but not utilities.
also, new bios. unless you want to wait a few days for the new one to avoid having to do it twice.

>>60498556
>>60498723
The tomshardware link has pretty basic guide for overclocking and should help you get started. Overclocking is something you can't really learn by reading about it and is something that requires hands on experience. I have overclocked plenty of processors and graphics cards in the recent years including older stuff like Q9400, i5-3570K and newer stuff like i5-7600K and Ryzen 1600X. Every platform and processor is very different and not all previous rules apply, but hand-on experience helps and no other way to get it than to overclock.

Use something like HWMonitor to watch temps and core voltage (CPU-Z is fine for voltage too). Go to bios and change Vcore (or something simular, depends on the bios) and change cpu multiplier. Also enable XMP for your memory, since it seems you could be not running at the rated speed.

With 3570K and good cooling I'd say you should be able to hit ~4.5GHz fairly easily. I was able to do 4.4GHz with my old 3570K with 1.25V with a shitty aircooler, but your results may vary. I'd stay under 1.4V on voltage for CPU. There should be Loadline calibration (LLC) settings in some CPU VRM related settings. Use different levels of LLC to keep voltage stable if during stress test your voltage fluctuates around alot.

For stress testing I'd recommend going with a suite of programs like Prime95, OCCT (both Linpack and regular) and Intel burn test. Variety is the key to make sure your overclock is stable.

>>60498736
>What is Double Data Rate

>>60495185
>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580

This is false.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIpOx8YUXuU

>>60498949
>>60498944
Thanks, thought so those are useless and I already installed the drivers. For the bios I'll think I'll wait my father scared me a bit about updating bios so I rather do it only once. Also I heard there is a windows update improving ryzen performance I haven't downloaded any windows updates in a long time I guess I would have to download them all right?

>>60498914
Don't install any of that shit.
Only things you need after installing Windows are GPU drivers and whatever programs you use. Motherboard manufacturers programs are useless shit and only reason to go to their download site is to download BIOS updates or sound drivers/ LAN drivers but most of the time you don't need to do any of that since Windows downloads some of those automatically and even then default Windows drivers are just as good.

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>>60498932
>>60498954
Thanks for the great info, I'm running the standard OCCT test right now and the temperature went like pic related. Is this bad? Do I need to crank up the fan somehow? I also downloaded SpeedFan but I don't really know how to use it.

>>60498997
those temps are totally fine. You should only worry if they start creeping past 80C

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>>60498986
It wins in the 2 first games and loses in the 3 others
on average it's a bit faster, per game it's quite faster in newer ones

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>>60499021
Okay, one more thing. I want more performance, but the CPU seems fine to me now that I've OC'd it (or rather will be fine once I bumped it up one or two more ticks).

Gonna buy a new graphics card though. I was looking to buy one now, but the looming release / announcement / whatever of the VEGAs makes me hesitate. I'm not ever gonna buy something that top of the line because >diminishingreturnslmao but should I wait till those drop / get announced so I can cheese price drops on the other cards? I was thinking of getting something like a 580 or something in that price bracket.

>>60498987
BIOS flashing was a lot scarier in his day. You have nothing to worry about

>>60498838
FX 8350, but make sure that your mobo supports it. After that you want an RX 570 4GB or a GTX 1060 6GB. The 1060 might be better when paired with FX CPU.

>>60498997
How many volts are you on?
In speedfan, click configure and go to the Advanced tab. There should be a dropdown menu, there should be tabs for your most of your devices. One of them should have fan speeds and you should switch the speeds from whatever setting (thermal cruise, automatic or whatever) they are on and put it on PWM if your fans are 4-pin and DC if they are 3-pin, also check the remember this box. Try to post some images of those tabs so I can tell you a little bit more.

But basically after that you just close the configuration tab and tweak the percentage sliders and see which fan is rotating faster/slower and go to configuration and to Fans and Speeds tabs and rename those fans. After you are done with figuring out which fan is which you go to fan control tab and create new fan controller, select the controlled speed (fan) add the temperature from one of the CPU cores or package and just create a curve for it.

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>>60499169
You mean this? Maybe?

>>60499245
Yes switch the PWM mode to PWM and then check the "remember it" box in the bottom right corner. Otherwise just read my last post and it should be a fairly simple thing.

>>60499299
PWM only lets itself be set to ON/OFF, Software Controlled, ON/OFF (again) and SmartGuardian, in all three of them.

>>60499318
Try either software controlled and see if it works, then try those ON/OFF options.

Also if you want to make Speedfan run when you turn on computer you need to create a task in task scheduler. You can find instructions for that with some googling.

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How does this look for a standard desktop for normies?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T4LpLD
>inb4 why two NICs
I have different networks that are physically isolated (and I'm using simple switches that do not support vLANs). The NIC on the motherboard is connected to the gateway router, but the second NIC is connected to a VNC/media streaming network. The 10Gb NIC is directly connected to a back-up server and NAS.

Rate pls,
Using it for photoshop gaming and video editing.

CPU

Intel Core i7 7700K (Base:4.20GHz, Turbo:4.50GHz / 8MB / LGA1151 / Quad Core / 91W / Fully Unlocked / Without Heatsink/Fan / Kaby Lake)

CPU Cooling

Cooler Master Hyper 212X CPU Cooler, Compatible with Intel Socket: LGA 2011, 1366, 1156, 1155, 1151, 1150, 775 & AMD Socket: AM3+, AM3, AM2+, AM2, FM2, FM1. $55.00 $0.00 $55

Motherboard

Gigabyte GA-Z270M-D3H MB, Z270, 4x DDR4, 1x PCIE3.0 x16, 6x SATA3, 3x SATA Express, M.2, 8x USB3.1, VGA, HDMI, DVI $184.00 $0.00 $184

Graphics

Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 Windforce OC (Base:1582MHz,Boost:1771MHz), 8GB GDDR5 (8008Mhz), PCI-E 3.0, DVI, HDMI2.0, 3x DisplayPort 1.4 $579.00 $0.00 $579

Corsair Vengeance

LPX 16GB (2x8GB), PC4-19200 (2400MHz) DDR4, 14-16-16-31, 1.2v, Dual Channel Kit, Black

SSD Samsung 250GB SSD, 850 EVO Series, SATA III, 7mm, Read up to 540MB/s, Write up to 520MB/s

HDD
Western Digital WD 2TB Blue, SATA III, 5400rpm, 64MB

Case

Fractal Design Define Mini Black Micro ATX Case, No PSU, 1x USB 3.0, 2x USB 2.0, Front I/O Audio, 2x 120mm Fan, 6x 3.5" HDD, 2x 5.25", 3x Fans $129.00

Power Supply Corsair

650W CX650M Bronze Power Supply, 80 PLUS Bronze, 120mm Fan, 1x ATX, 1x EPS, 2x PCI-E, 6x SATA, 4x Molex, 1x Floppy, Semi Modular Cabling

>>60499417
bad cooler for such a cpu
bad cpu for such an usage
let me go into detail when i finish playing my game

>>60499424
okay I would appreciate that.

>>60495591
Right no lw it's easily the best price to cost

>>60498914
It's me again. Installed all the drivers and rebooted my pc and my headphones still won't work. My pc detects them fine as well.

FX 5200 PCI vs Rage 128 Pro AGP for DOS and win98

>>60499548
Are your headphones USB or 3.5mm? Double check your sound settings and if they don't work download sound drivers from the motherboards driver download page.

R7 1700
The question: Air or Liquid cooler?

>>60499582
3.5mm and I already did that, downloaded and installed from the motherboard page and checked the settings. Pc detects them fine and even opens the settings when I plug them in.

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Rate my 1440p 144hz gayman machine.
Already have the gpu.

>>60499644
>intel
>2tb ssd
>corsair
>>200£ mobo
>BLACKED series
"/v/ the build"

>>60499721
Nothing wrong with Intel.

I want lebensraum.

Nothing wrong with Corsair.

The mobo is good though.

Name a better HDD.

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>my 760 is showing it's age
>see rx 470
Is it worth spending extra for 8gb 580 or something or is 4gb 470 enough for 1080p/60fps

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Currently building. PSU and RAM come in on Tuesday.

CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (upgrading from an A6-7400K

CPU Cooler
AM Wraith Spire cooler (the one that comes with the CPU)

Motherboard
MSI B350 Tomahawk (Upgrading from a Gigabyte GA-F2A55M-HD2)

GPU
Sapphire AMD Radeon 7790 1GB OC (next paycheck im gonna upgrade to something, looking for recommendations on what)

RAM
Corsair Vengeance LPX 1x8Gb (accidentally left compatibility filter off on PCPartPicker and thought my old ram worked with new mobo)

HDD
WD Blue 1TB 7200 RPM

Case
Zalman Z11 Plus

PSU
EVGA 450B (upgrading from "ToPower 650" ghetto ass PSU)

>>60499417
>7700k for video editing, gaming & photoshop build
The R7 1700 (8 cores 16 threads, double what the 7700k has) is much better at video editing because it scales very well with core & threads, and those 8 cores will allow you to do heavy multitasking without it having any impact on your editing / gaming. Wanna have Premiere Pro / Vegas & Photoshop open in the background while gaming? Absolutely no problem. The video encoding time will be faster because of more cores, and jumping around the video (going at start then end of video then middle etc etc) also gets quicker with more cores. No hiccups while playbacking effects-heavy stuff without doing previews either. It also doesn't need a cooler, whereas the 7700k, and not a cheap one considering it heats a real lot.

>Hyper 212 evo
Is shit for a 7700k because it heats quite a lot (that's what absurdly high clocks does to a CPU, that and the shitty TIM). It's not needed for the R7 1700, and if you wanna overclock a better $30 cooler would be a better choice (a 212 evo is 8 years old), namely the be quiet dark rock pro or some others coolers.

Getting higher clocked RAM for higher memory bandwidth might not be a bad idea, memory bandwidth definitely helps in photo & video editing, and it also helps a lot Ryzen processors as it speeds up the communication there is between cores, effectively making the CPU more powerful.

A WD Blue is a not a good idea for gaming & editing, as those are 5400rpm drives which is noticeably slower than 7200rpm drives. I don't think WD makes 2TB Caviar Blue drives, so you'll have to get a Seagate or Toshiba one (do not get a WD Black)

The rest os good

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Is Corsair Link for PSUs even remotely useful for anything/worth the added price?

I imagine myself looking at it like "so my power consumption goes up when I start playing a game... and it goes down when I stop. Huh." and then never opening it again.

>>60499644
Except from the overkill PSU & overkill AIO (unless you're overclocking or something), that looks pretty good

>>60499871
Thanks senpai.

>>60499859
What about a WD Red? I've been told those are longer lasting than Blacks and Blues combined.

>>60498783
any other suggestions? I kinda like their look. I'm open to other ideas in that pricerange.

For a completely new build, would you rather go for a non modular psu or a semi modular? How important is it if I don't really open the pc (the case doesn't have a window either).

>>60499859
>do not get a WD Black
Why?

>>60499993
modular is nice if you're using a small/cheap case, but it's completely optional. Usually it doesn't cost a lot more though.

>>60499993
Modular allows you to manage cables better which can result in better airflow.
It's a nice option but it's up to you of course.

>>60499993
Meh, depends if you plan on upgrading as you go or just shelling out for a new PC in 7 years. I'm in the middle of replacing my 6y/o $200 budget build and I'm just getting a non-modular.

Alright guys. Looking over my build, I can't decide whether to get an RX570 or an RX580. nVidiafags need not apply.
The most demanding game I want to play is Forza Motorsport Apex and Forza Horizon 3, which both have some lofty minimum requirements. A 570 blows away the minimum requirements but seems just short of the recommended specs. Should I jump to the RX 580?

>>60500013
I'm >>60498691
when looking for non modular psus I can find some that are 30 euros cheaper than the semi modular ones

https://geizhals.de/?cat=gehps&xf=360_400%7E8403_83

I just don't know if it's worth it

>don't really open the pc
>don't have a window on my case
>absolutely no ideas about upgrades, had my current prebuilt pc for 7 years now and never changed a damn thing

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>>60499375
I'm also considering this build for a regular desktop
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QDBF9W
Less threads, but it's thinner than the AMD one

what's the least shit version of windows 10, assuming I had no choice but to use it?

>tfw freesync won
It's not fucking fair bros.

>>60500090
>but it's thinner than the AMD one
wut

are there any fucking 570s going for msrp? this happened 4 years ago and I bought a 660 instead of a 7950 honestly fuck miners

>>60500120
The AMD desktop I've planned needs a dGPU, and they don't have any of the half-sized PCIe versions of the GTX 1050 or RX 550. The Intel one only has NICs which come with half-sized PCIe brackets.

>>60500143
Oh I thought you were talking about the CPU's. Derp.

>>60500103
If your school provides licenses then education. Otherwise just go for the normal home edition, they're all shit anyways.

Some people recommend LTSB, but it has some compability issues.

>>60500189
does KMS activation work on Education?

>>60499582
>>60499614
Ok I'm just retarded plugged in my speakers instead of headphones. I was about to fucking take my pc apart when I realized that.

>>60500006
Waiting.

>>60500062
.....

>>60500062
570s are kind of a ripoff right now anyway when you can get OC 8GB 580 for like $20 more

>>60500257
It's not for you.
It has lower vibration, longer warranty & longer longevity than Western Digital Blue / Caviar Blue. It's aimed at entreprises. It's significantly more expensive per GB than Digital Blue drives because of these qualities. It's also much louder, so you usually don't want one of those inside a desktop computer but rather server rooms.

Hey /b/ rate my hypothetical pc build

Budget approx $2000 (plus $1000 for monitor, mouse + keyboard)

$519 - AMD Ryzen 7 1700X
$729 - 8G GTX 1080 Asus TURBO
$188 - Samsung 960 EVO M.2 250G
$102 - WD Black SATA3 1TB
$169 - 16G Kit (8Gx2) 2400 Kingston HyperX FURY
$200(aprrox) - motherboard
$100(approx) - case/psu
$2007 - TOTAL

>SOURCE:
http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf

Questions (only autisits need apply):
>What should I be looking for in a motherboard and psu based on the other components
>Can I get any of these cheaper online than listed $AUD
>Is the RAM choice good? I just picked it at random really

So I'm looking through some ryzen guides to overclock and was wondering is amd ryzen master ok for overclocking or should I do it through bios?

>>60500411
>all that high end shit
>only 1.2TB total storage
>only 250GB SSD
>only 2400MHz RAM

>>60500411
>/b/
Ditch the WD Black and put a WD Caviar Blue instead, because >>60500408
I'm not seeing a cooler in there, tje r7 1700x doesn't come without one. You might wanna get the R7 1700 instead which is lower clocked but otherwise has the exact same specs, and comes with a decent cooler.

$200 for a motherboard is a lot. Unless you're doing SLI, Crossfire, need the extra PCIe lanes, or extreme (very) overclocking, you shouldn't get such an expensive mobo. b350 mobos are good for the average gamer, even for decent OCs.

>$100 case/psu
Do not ever get a case that already has a PSU in it. They are very low quality and are not made to handle enthusiasts build such as yours. Buy both separately.

>GTX 1080
Unless you're doing 4K or 1440p at (very) high framerate, that's way overkill. Drop down to a GTX 1060/RX 580, or if you really want to be overkill there still is the GTX 1070 that is miles ahead of both of those. But a GTX 1080 is quite a waste of money.

>>60500413
Ryzen master is for temporary overclocks, it resets the moment you restart your computer.

>>60500411
>$2000 budget
>only 1TB
If you want this to be a long-term PC i'd suggest another TB so you don't have to worry about it 3-4 years from now.
also, get faster RAM my guy. If you want to skimp out, you can go for 8GB 3400 or you can get 16gb 3400 although it is like $200 CAD

MOBOs are simple for the most part. The B350 stuff from MSI is really good and decently cheap

>>60500489
Blues are slow as shit. People who spend $2000 do not want slow as shit.

>>60500443
I own a 1tb external hard drive that is empty currently plus I've been living with a laptor with 32gb hard drive (acer r11). Right now I just need a functional pc and since I was gonna do my first build soon I thought I'd bring that forward.

I won't need a lot of storage (or the high end cpu/gpu) for another 6-12 months and I can wait till then to upgrade storage.

>>60500532
Upgrading storage (unless you are just slotting in a 2nd HDD) is more complicating that just throwing it in your case. It's best to just get all your new parts in at once instead of over time.

>>60499788
Looks good to me, Kurt
450W is sort of cutting it short (500w would be much better) though
And 2x4GB is better than 1x8GB because of dual channel, unless you put only one stick for upgradeability purposes

That Zalman case is very meh. It gets dusty in there very, very fast, and cable management inside of it is annoying as fuck. Also if you spill some water on top of the case there is a 100% chance it will hit the GPU & motherboard.
I had one and i disliked it a lot.

For your GPU, if it's 1080p gaming you're aiming for, RX 480, RX 580 or GTX 1060. RX 470 is good too, in fact it's the best value GPU right now and is pretty good for 1080p, but the RX 480/580/GTX 1060 would be ideal because they don't cost that much more and will last a bit longer.

>>60500090
Standard desktop with i5 is stupid, no speed difference from even a $50 celeron. I should know, i made the jump from celeron g1840 ($50) to R7 1700 ($325).
For normie shit it will performs the same.

>>60500520
You're right, but Caviar Blue are not Blue.

>>60500489
Will do with the hard drive thanks man. Same goes for the CPU I think I'll go with the R7 1700.

>Unless you're doing 4K or 1440p at (very) high framerate, that's way overkill.
I'm planning on buying a 144hz 1440p monitor and I want the GPU to be fairly future proof. The 1070 and 1080 are about $200 apart on the site I linked and that seems worth it if I get an extra year out of the card.

I'm a n00b tho so please tell me if I'm wrong

>>60500633
>I'm a n00b tho so please tell me if I'm wrong
No you're right, the GTX 1080 would definitely be a better choice for 144hz 1440p.

Also, although the R7 1700 is good at gaming, it's not really what it's made for. Unless you make use of the eight cores (16 threads), and gaming won't really do that, you might wanna drop that either to a 6 cores 12thread (which will perform the same in gaming) or 7700k (which can achieve higher framerate than both of these CPUs, although it has only 4 cores & 8 threads so less room for other stuff)

What's are some good monitors for 1440p 144hz? I am not interested in the 4k meme.

>>60500670
I work with a friend who does video editing so I think the R7 should be a good fit.

I was wondering, its been almost a year since the 1080 has been out, is nividea likely to release a new card soon? Would it be worth the wait given I waited 3 months already?

>>60500763
They've released the GTX 1080ti but their next architecture (Volta) is for the start of 2018, which is quite a lot of time from now on.
There's also the AMD Vega cards that will release in the following months (with the pro card releasing end of next month & not much information about the others)

>>60500580
>450W is sort of cutting it short (500W would be much better though)
Yeah, I was going to get a 500W B but it didn't have Prime shipping and would have gotten to me a few days after my buddy left for a job on a gold ship in Alaska.

As for RAM, I got it because it was 8GB, compatible and decently cheap. But now that I have room to upgrade with my mobo I'll definitely look in to it when I come across some dosh.

I've had this case for like 6 years, I usually keep my PC behind my monitor/TV or above them, so I haven't had an issue with liquids. Yeah, cable management sucks, and FUCK the dust, but it's got fans that I don't have to order separately.

And I'll probably go for an RX470. I've spent the last 6 years playing games at the lowest possible settings, so playing on medium or slightly lower than high is gonna feel like Ultra++ to me

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>>60500858
>so playing on medium or slightly lower than high is gonna feel like Ultra++ to me
The RX 470 is not a "medium or slightly lower than high" card

>>60500597
So something like this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3ycyr7
Anything lower than a Pentium or 3.5GHz seems to bottleneck the 10GB NIC even with TCP/IP offloading.

Seasonic M12II 520W Bronze or EVGA 500B? I want something that will last.

>>60500799
Man seems like there's always something to wait for.

Will these AMD pro cards releasing end of next month compete directly with the 1080?

Also to give some context on my thinking I was originally going to build my first computer about 10 months ago and I put off buying a 970 to wait for the 480. Back then $1600 was a stretch.
Since then I've been saving up for nothing except this computer which I've been to busy to actually buy. I have almost $10k to spend but obviously I'm not gonna spend it all on a computer.

Basically it won't annoy me too much if AMDs card is the same or slightly worse performance but I lose a hundred bucks buying nividea earlier. However it will annoy me a lot if the AMD card is even slightly better performance given how long I've waited already.

>>60500885
Is the bottom axis showing FPS? Because buddy I've been playing LoL on ultra low settings at 40FPs for the last 3 years

Thoughts on this PSU? I need a new one.

https://www.evga.com/articles/00929/EVGA-600W-Power-Supply/

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Alright so i sold my i5 6500 system and fell for the ryzen meme, which is the best motherboard for overclocking this bad boy?

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>>60495185
this build was not thought up by me:

>MSI H81M-P33
>intel i3-4160 LGA1150
>Ram 8GB hyper fury 1600
>Radeon R9 270, with 2GB GDDR5 RAM

What would be the strenghts/weaknesses for this PC be here?

>>60500949
Yes, it is

>>60500985
>strengths
You have a good example of an awful build.
>weaknesses
Due to the law of large numbers, this build exists somewhere on the planet

>>60500983
Also i should probably clarify that i got a 1600x.

>>60500985
Strengths would be cost? But then again, you'd get more performance and value from a Pentium G4560 on an H110 motherboard with a RX 560 or GTX 1050.

>>60500999
>checked
And dude, 91 FPS on BF1 ultra sounds like a fucking fantasy to me.

>>60500942
>Will these AMD pro cards releasing end of next month compete directly with the 1080?
The pro card we've seen performed the same as the GTX 1080ti in the Sniper Elite 4 4K footage they've shown a few days ago
But there also is pricing that comes to mind. This is a Pro card so it will most likely be quite more expensive than the consumer version. The consumer version is also higher clocked so it will perform better in game (but not in compute obviously).

They'll reveal more info at computex in 10 days, that's about all of what we know right now.

>>60500983
More expensive obviously means better overclocking. Now if you're not aiming for the best but instead something decent (which is still enough to reach 4GHz), there's a lot of good b350 mobos for it. Asus Prime B350 Plus, MSI - B350 PC MATE, Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-Gaming 3, etc etc

>>60500985
How expensive would it be? This is quite outdated hardware in there.

>>60501090
>Now if you're not aiming for the best but instead something decent

I'm aiming for the best. Which one is the best currently because i want to get it now.

>>60495237
Been gone from 4chan for a month and a half. Is vega even out yet what the fuck

>>60501212
No. Pro version of Vega is being released end of next month. More info about consumer version in 10 days at computex.

What MOBO should I get for my Ryzen 1600 build?

I only intend on ever using one graphics card, at least 4 SATA ports and a solid state port are really all I require. Obviously want something good quality, though.

>>60501212
10 DAYS ALL WILL BE REVEALED
god i can't fucking wait

>>60501229
M S I B 3 5 0 T O M A H A W K

$150 CAD for an LED-quality board that supports AM4. It's a god damn steal.

>>60501229
i think any msi b350 board would fit

Sub-90W TDP eight-core Xeon E5 or should I give Ryzen 7 a shot?

>>60501702
Try Ryzen 7 first.

>>60501702
what is it for?

What's a good HDD with a 5 year warranty (basically manufacturer putting their money where their mouth is...)

Need to replace a WD Blue that's failing after 3 years...

>>60501844
WD black has 5 year warranty
though they are pretty loud

>>60501090
I think the price is gonna clinch it for me. If it's ASUS STRIP GTX 1080 ti level good, I'm going for it man.

>>60501873
STRIX* fug

So, I'm planning to get a R7 1700 and OC it to 3.8~3.9 GHz. Is the Asus B350 Prime Plus a good board to such feat? And its audio solution, is it good enough for a Sennheiser HD 558?

>>60501884
>Is the Asus B350 Prime Plus a good board to such feat?
Yes.

Without spending too much time on /pcbg/ I'm starting to think everyone in this thread is a paid shill. What the hell is wrong the i5? For most video games it seems like an i5 is better than an R5. Everybody but /g/ seems to make the same conclusion. I'm a mechanical engineer so I may do some CAD and CAE in my spare time but besides that I'll only be gaming.

>tldr; why R5 > i5 for gaming?

>>60502041
You get 6 cores with multithreading instead of 4 cores without multithreading at the same price point. The difference in single core performance isn't much, and the R5's will continue to stay good as games start to use more cores but i5's are already at 90-100% usage so they have nowhere to go.

>>60502041
>What the hell is wrong the i5?
It has only 4 cores and 4 threads. Becomes a bottleneck in any AAA game from the past 2 years.
>For most video games it seems like an i5 is better than an R5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

>tldr; why R5 > i5 for gaming?
Because it has only 4 core and 4 threads, which makes it reach very high CPU usage during AAA gaming. While all CPUs of the R5 series have at worst 4 cores 8 threads and at best 6 cores 12 threads, which results in more room left / much more room left, then it's a no-brainer.

Also, upgradeability (AM4 CPUs being released for 3+ years, whereas LGA 1151 is at the very best getting it's last CPUs at the end of the current year, and it's not even sure).

>>60502079
How do we know games will start to use more cores in the near future (say, 3 years)? Sounds like armchair theorizing.

>>60498862
I have a 2560x1080 ultrawide and use an rx 480. It's plenty powerful to run most games at max settings around 60fps but some drop to 40s since it's a harder resolution to push than normal 1080p. If you're ok turning down a few settings once in a while to maintain 60-75fps the 580 will be great. Personally I'm going to upgrade to something around 1070 level just to not have to worry about tweaking settings for a while. I have a freesync monitor though so I'm hoping Vega will have a card in the 1070-1080 range

>>60502149
Because 4 cores 4 threads are at their limit and clocks can't be cranked higher?
Also, because AMD released mainstream 6+ CPUs and intel will be following this at the end of the year with Cannonlake?

There is nowhere else to go, and mainstream desktop CPUs are getting more cores.
In fact, game already do take advantage of more core. The 2 years old GTA V takes advantage of all 16 threads of my R7 1700. Why? Because the engine was made so that it would spread the load the most it can, and that can be done in a way that it does it automatically depending on the number of threads so that you don't have to set how it's spread for each different thread count.

>>60501870
>>60501844
Don't get a WD Black. They are for use in server rooms, not for a consumer PC.

>>60502211
Yea, mine is freesync too, but I'm tired of waiting. Also HBM2 does sound like shit the more I hear about it.

>>60502231
So... and last question here, completely different anon.

What would be a good investment right now? What CPU+GPU equivalent can you get from AMD that tramples over the 6700K/7700K+1080/1080ti combo in the next few months?

>>60502257
Doesn't mean it can't be fit for a consumer PC
he's searching for longevity & long warranty which is exactly what WD black provides

>>60502295
And if he wants to do anything other than save and browse files for those 5+ years, he should look for a different HDD.

>>60501761
Failover and Reverse Proxy server

>>60502285
>but I'm tired of waiting.

They're going to announce them in literally a week, and typically start shipping soon after the announcement. It's worth it to at least wait to see what they have rather than pull the trigger a week early and then regret it

>>60502295

Especially in the age of SSDs, I don't think speed performance is really that important compared to longevity. Just using it to store movies and music that I access occasionally

>>60502149
Consoles are AMD and use lots of cores. PC games tend to be unoptimized so having more cores would make life easier for the laziest branch of programmers in the entire industry.

>>60502329
No. I'm not willing to pay a price premium for shitty HBM.

>>60502329
Not to mention there might be some Nvidia sales in response to AMD in that same week. Would be a good time to buy if you're into Nvidia.

>>60502360
Sure, because Intel lowered their CPU prices when Ryzen got released, right? The fuck they did, they stayed the fucking same.

Competitors who own a huge amount of the market just don't give a fuck.

>>60502360
>nvidia giving a shit what AMD does when they have 75%+ marketshare

>>60502360
No they won't. Even when AMD is better at the same price, Nvidia gets much more sales. They have 0 need to lower the price and doing so would lower their profit.

what do i upgrade my i5-4690k to? gaming mostly.

>>60502430
Do you really feel the need to upgrade?

>>60502430

I don't think you need to upgrade for another 3 years at least... Save that money for a GPU, or anything other than a CPU upgrade that won't give you much better performance.

how common is it that a 3000mt cl15 vengeance kit (CMK32GX4M2B3000C15) cant even reach 3000mhz regardless of its voltages?

>>60502474
What motherboard?

>>60502442
>>60502470
ok thanks. will 1080ti be a good option? currently sitting on gtx 670.

>>60502430
Ryzen if you must however your CPU is probably more then enough, you could also keep an eye out on local ads for a cheap 1150 socket i7 k

>>60502487
irrelevant since I've tried it on multiple z170s which were able to handle even 3600mhz gskills perfectly fine

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>>60495292

>h80i v2

mah nigga

>>60502506

I think it's overkill, a 1070 would be more than enough for the next 5 years, but if you want to spend the money on that kind of power, then go for it.

>>60502605
1070 for 1080p? what if i go for 1440p 144hz?

I'm stuck between
Z270-A Prime (for it is the most preferred mbd)
and
Z270X-Ultra Gaming (for it's cheaper)

Am I sacrificing anything important if I go with Z270-X?

Budget is $1200
This is my first time building a pc so i dont know where to start. My friend is way more excited than i am and keeps shilling microcenter but im sure i can find a better deal elsewhere. I something more proccessor intensive and able to play most modern games at a high setting with over 100 fps and maybe vr.

>>60502646

Wouldn't know, to be honest. I don't have that kind of budget so I haven't looked into it (this is >>60502605 )

>>60502474
bump
so I'm guessing I have a uniquely dud sample?

>>60502713
Oh i would prefer a nividia graphics card because some of the games i play run better with nivida software

Fuck PC gaming becoming more popular/trendy. RGB is fucking stupid. The way cards/ram/motherboards look now is fucking dumb. Nvidia making 3 separate ridiculous high end cards in a single architecture/generation is stupid. Thanks a lot, dumb normies, for ruining gaming first with console games, and now PC hardware.

>>60502731
why aren't you just using xmp?

>>60502797
the stupid thing is the old hardware doesn't go any cheaper despite the new and better ones
the new are just too expensive instead

>>60502813
I'm asking precisely because xmp did NOT work.

have you read my post? do you really thought my first action wasnt simply plugging the kit, restore every bios setting to auto, just switch on the xmp and waited for it to not POST forever? I've tried anything up to 1.45V btw.

>>60502713
CPU
Ryzen 5 1500X(dee). you might even want to grab a 1600 or 1600X, if you are willing to pay for the extra bit of performance and longevity.

Mobo
MSI B350 Tomahawk

RAM
RAM is RAM. Doesn't really matter what you get as long as it is 8GB or more and fast.

HDD
I currently have a WD Caviar Blue 7200RPM 1TB. Love it, been great to me so far. What you want to look for in a hard drive is a high RPM and obviously size.

GPU
You'll probably want to grab a 1060 of some sort. It'll last you for the next few years and it'll put out real high performance as well.

PSU
Get an EVGA PSU, at the minimum get a Bronze certified one. 500W is usually what most people get just because its got you covered in power fluctuations and for upgrading parts if your heart desires.

The cooler that comes with the Ryzen 5 is bretty gud, so you don't have to worry about that unless you are a middle eastern goatfucker.

I have a fairly simple question. Currently I have an i5-3470, gtx1060 and ddr3 1600 single channel 8gb ram. Oftentimes CPU bottlenecks me in modern games. I thought of buying a dual channel 1600 RAM, can it alleviate my problems or do I have a buy a new cpu no matter what?
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/3741564
here's my PC benchmarked

I am about to pull the trigger on this build. Any red flags before I buy?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c3jq8K

>>60502797
>Fuck PC gaming becoming more popular/trendy.
>normies
Before criticizing normalfags how about you stop being new

>>60502890
>Doesn't really matter what you get as long as it is 8GB or more and fast.
Eh I've read a lot of shit about your ram kit mattering a lot for Ryzen, something about dye numbers, cl, and shit.

>You'll probably want to grab a 1060 of some sort.
I remember these generals use to say using nvidia / amd had issues in some games? Wouldn't the 580 8gb be a pretty good alternative around the same pricepoint?

>>60502897
This, IMO.

Removed the wireless card, replaced with a mobo that includes a very good wireless card+antenna, and switched the SSD for something cheaper.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LXWKQV

>>60503094
>>60502897

also, If you shopped around you could probably find a better SSD at or around the same price but I'm not your mommy so you do that. You'd also just be served better if you dropped that stupid expensive Samsung SSD for anything cheaper and moved the extra money into your CPU and got a K model to OC.

>>60503094
>Asus - STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
You are telling me this won't need the usb antenna for wireless?

>>60503213
it's got its own 802.11ac transceiver on it

>>60502474
last shameless bump
judging by that, seems like rma material isnt it

>>60503213
In the box it comes with an antenna you screw into the ports on the i/o panel. It can be placed quite some distance from your tower with the cable that screws in, and stuff. it's a good antenna.

>>60503051
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vqgCPs
this should do. if you feel the storage is too small you can add an HDD later on.

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>sit down to make a low-budget gaming PC
>budget around 650-850 EUR

Intel - Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
MSI - B250 PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Crucial - 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory
Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Mini Video Card

How am I doing, /g/? What could I get that would be better?

>>60503585
ryzen

>>60503585
I wouldn't get a locked i5, they're more worthless than an unlocked one.

At least get the unlocked one if you don't want to get ryzen.

>>60503585
>What could I get that would be better?
swap the processor for an AMD Ryzen 5 1500X.
Swap the motherboard for an Asrock AB350M Pro4
Swap the ram for DDR4-2400 memory or DDR4-2666 memory. 8GB should be plenty though

If you want performance per dollar though, step up from the Ryzen 5 1500X to the Ryzen 5 1600.

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Talk me out of it.

>>60503665
8gb isn't enough unless you just want him to scrape by til he can pick up another dimm. which wouldn't be a bad idea.

>>60503670
It looks like it could fall over any second.

>>60503678
>8gb isn't enough
I meant a 2x4 kit for a total of 8GB.

>>60503670
>searching for 120 hz monitor 1440p
>finds some stupid case

what do you need handles for? going to LAN parties? fat chance.

>>60503585
>budget build
>no memezen 5 1500X

>>60503683
Buuullshit
PSU is at the bottom and look at those fucking risers.

>>60503697
Makes for good bicep curls.
Also I've moved my PC around a lot in the past. Haven't done so in a while though so it's a good point.

>>60503759
It's a good case, but there's no reason to spend so much on something that will be obsolete in a shitty lame way. Those front panel ports will never be updated. USB 3.1 is coming. If it was somehow going to last forever then it'd be good, but it won't.

I'm actually shocked at how many people would fork out that much for a case.

Fucking normies and their RGB and shit.

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>>60503606 >>60503654 >>60503665 >>60503733

Sooo... something like this?

AMD - Ryzen 5 1500X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
ASRock - AB350M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard
Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Zotac - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Mini Video Card

>>60503853
Oh, whoops... I meant the 2x4 GB

Gotta go change that on pcpartpicker brb

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>>60503790
I'm more enamored by the metal construction, the room, the easy-access side panels/filters, and the fan control/support.
Didn't even know it had RGB bullshit, if it does.


USB is something I spotted too but coolermaster has 3.5/5.25 brackets like pic-related. Figure that'd give it a bit of future-proofing.

>>60503853
>Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
chenge this to a (2 x 4GB) set and it's good.

>>60503884
>>60503867

Why not just a single 8gb dimm for now, so you can get another in a little while?

You're not going to notice a performance difference with 1 vs 2 dimms.

>>60495510
I have ah i7-7700k at 5.0 all 4 cores stable, I aired on the side of safe. But at loads I don't go above 77º Celsius with a Corsair H100i running inside of an ultra cramp itx config. I don't get any throttling nor performance drops. I have no idea if this is good or bad in terms of /g/ autism numbers. But for me it works as intended and I am satisfied.

Are there any downsides to ordering 6+ hard drives from the same vendor (eg. amazon)?

>>60503925
There's no difference?

I mean, I could... that would probably be a good investment.

just got a new system with this mobo

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z270-SLI.html#down-driver&Win7%2064

about to finish installing w7, do i need to get drivers for my motherboard?

>>60503938
It is technically worse, but you really won't suffer any performance loss in gaming in the interim. and it will cost you more money in the long run to get an entirely new set of 2 dimms instead of just getting 1 dimm at a time. 8gb total isn't enough realistically, so you'll really want that 16gb.

>>60503094
>>60503194
Yeah, as long as the SSD is good and M.2 compatible then im fine. Im trying to use as few cables as I can in this build.

Is it worth it to hold onto w7 & resist microsoft's bullshit for a few more years?
Or is w10 inevitable?

>>60503936
Shill detected.

Go ahead and star posting gaming framerates.

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What Video Card should I wait for/upgrade to? And can I safely overclock my 1600 on the stock cooler?

>>60503956
Kaby Lake on w7?

>>60503961
w10 is inevitable. If you want to use new processors, you need w10. Welcome to the botnet.

also, dx12, etc. It fucking sucks, I'm about to do a new build and I'm not at all looking forward to having to use w10, but, such as it is.

>>60503958
I see

So if I get one DIMM now and the same model in a few months, they would both be compatible with the motherboard right?

>>60503978
actually skylake 6700k, i think the mobo is compatible with both?

>>60504025
If things start going unstable, dont be resistant to windows 10. I was. I learned that lesson the hard way.

>>60503998
There any way to mitigate the bullshit?

How bad is the backwards compatibility with older programs?

>>60504006
Yes, if one dimm is compatible another identical dimm would work in a dual-channel configuration.

However, this is just what I would do. You could get 2x4 and then another 2x4 as I see the mobo has 4 dimm slots, however space could be an issue on such a small mobo, depending on the heatsink. A lot of heatsinks on mobos that size can completely obstruct the first dimm slot.

so, for that concern, I would go for 1x8, and then 1x8 later on, they must be identical dimms, however.

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>>60503936
>not overclocking your hyper threads to a stable 5.4 so you can reach maximum heat and summon a fire golem to protect your home

DELIDDDD!!!

>>60504098
You can't really claim to be good at building PCs if you haven't delidded a CPU, it's no different than installing a water block on a graphics card anyways.

>>60504098
>>60503971
Why are AMDfags so intolerable?

>>60504065
had some trouble becuase the mobo didnt have w7 install enabled by default and i also had to disable uefi, seems to work now

i just want to know if i should install chipset drivers

>>60504120
>why are shills so intolerable
gee I don't know anon

>>60504136
of course you need fucking chipset drivers

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>>60504119
>building PCs

Its called assembling. Like Lego sets or IKEA furniture. I'm sure its not hard to wipe the kike jizz off our CPU, I'm sure you've been wiping that shit off your body as well.

>>60504202
>buying 42 shitty cores for "muh future proofing"

there's literally no such thing, by the time I need more than 4 cores, intel will provide a much faster alternative to your Ricen garbage.

>>60504220
Have fun burning down your house with s-s-s-t-t-utter l-l-lake good goy.

>>60504285
>Intel's processors are so fast that game engines can't keep up and stutter

Amazing, the power of modern Intel is already too fast for developers to handle.

How's the Asus MX25AQ
How are Asus's IPS screens in general? Any big deadpixel/IPS Glow problems?

>>60503973
pls respond

>>60503973
1080ti or wait til volta. What did you expect?

>can I safely overclock

Why don't you just try? If you get high temps, stop the synthetic, and crank it back. You're not going to kill your CPU by raising it to it's max safe temp once.

I'm going to be building a PC for the first time.

Is there any real difference in M.2 SSDs and 2.5 SSDs? I

>>60504433
M.2 are faster but it makes literally no difference in practical every day applications.