Net neutrality btfoed

>>60471757
FUCK this poo in the loo Pajeet curryfaggot. Cancel his H1B NOW.

>>60471757
Rest of the world is fine because rural Americans that can't afford the $300/month unrestricted internet plan with their one ISP will be restricted to Facebook.

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>>60471757

>>60471757
>"""1st world""" country just got its internet cucked by a streetshitter

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>60471757
The he has icons on his desktop thread is less annoying than this bullshit

By 2030, India will have better internet than the entire rest of the world.

Let's hope he doesn't get assassinated.

>>60472725
kek

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>>60472915
>>60471911

FUCKING POOLOOS

FUCKING INDIANS

FUCK I'M MAD

Why does every fucking indian programmer that I meet only know Java or C#, and is wholly incurious about computing as a whole?

>>60475018
The same reason /g/ only know Rust, Haskell and Elixir and is wholly incurious about computing as a whole.

>>60472915
>>60474931
Some people ((pajeets)) are fucking disgusting

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/have-chairman-fcc-drink-gallon-raw-sewage-anniversary-sherman-anti-trust-act-1890

Whitehouse.gov petition to have Ajit Pai drink raw sewage

Pajeets always win, baby

>>60471757
>>60471778
>>60471782
>>60471854
>>60472725
>>60475484
>>60475503
>b-but it was supposed to be h-her turn
You libtards lost. Get over it. Your tears are so delicious

i feel sorry for the comcastcucks out there

>>60477794
LET it burn your freedom, just to make fun of muh libtards. You and other corporate cocksuckers are just geniuses.

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>>60477930
You lost.

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>>60477946
Thank god i'm not even a burger or "libtard", but good luck for paying even more for the shit from the verizon guy.

>>60471757
So explain why this matters?
The internet wasn't regulated by the government before
Why does it somehow need to be regulated now?

I realize small websites can be fucked over, but what stopped that from happening before the net neutrality laws?

>>60471757
>How fucked is the us?
Dunno.
>How fucked is the rest of the world?
Not in the slightest.

>>60471757
Good

There is no excuse for filling the Internet with stupid js libraries, viral videos and encrypted drm media

The death of net neutrality will be the catalyst to btfo corporations from the Internet

>>60478083
>I realize small websites can be fucked over, but what stopped that from happening before the net neutrality laws
The internet wasn't filled with corporate blood-sucking leeches and Net Neutrality rules were unwritten

>>60478110
You're dumb, corporations can afford to pay ISPs for fastlanes

only one going to get BTFO from the internet is your NEET ass, enjoy cuck

>>60477794
>Implying this only affects liberals

>>60478083
The internet was regulated, that's why ISPs aren't charging premiums for certain sites or blocking unpopular opinions

>>60471757
Dumb Americans sucking Trump's cock because of stupid /pol/ memes. They will "like" anything he does because they don't want to make peace with the fact they were bamboozled.

Enjoy your 4 (8) years of declining America. I will be laughing at your from my comfortable European home.

>>60477794
>You libtards lost. Get over it. Your tears are so delicious
Trump and the republicans did indeed win. But internet is used by everyone. This is not a partisan issue.

>>60478601
It is a partisan issue for partisan hacks.

The internet is fucking done anyway for America. Its not like anything innovative is coming out of america. Not music, not tv, not movies, not books, not cars, not technology, not food, not the internet. I dont do shit on the web these days, just the same bullshit check reddif check 4chan check newspaper, porn. The rest of the world will continue to innovate but America's fate us idiocracy hell.

>>60478636
It is a partisan issue only if you insist on making it so.

>Letting this Poojeet shit on your streets

When will Burgers ever learn?

>>60478548
I'm sure Hillary would have done much better, after all, she did help pass Prism and Sopa.

>>60478548
I hope you are letting your wife/gf fuck muhammed.

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I'm not from the US so this doesn't affect me but what exactly happened really? how does this affect them?

>>60478786
How dumb are you? I just told you I'm European, so why would I think Hillary is better? They're both garbage candidates


>>60479009
And yet, cuckolding fetish is most popular in America.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/throttling-of-websites-and-online-services-might-help-customers-fcc-says/
^Open comment period guide for these changes has opened until July 17.

>The NPRM also suggests that customers are being harmed by the ban on ISPs charging websites and other online services for faster access to consumers. "Is there a risk that banning paid prioritization suppresses pro-competitive activity?" the NPRM asks. "For example, could allowing paid prioritization give Internet service providers a supplemental revenue stream that would enable them to offer lower-priced broadband Internet access service to end-users?"
The level of motivated reasoning displayed here in order to justify unrestricted monopoly power is disgusting.

>>60479087
Basically ISPs just got full monopoly on the Internet. They can throttle websites selectively and sell data on their costumers.

See also inverse totalitarianism.

is bernie pro net neutrality?

>>60480245
Of course. He's not a moron.

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>>60477794
t. poojet

>>60478601
It also has very little to do with the current party.

Who owns the internet? The answer is, certainly not USA. But Then why are they trying to take control over it? Who give them the right to do it.

>>60480395

ISP's can do whatever they want on their networks tb.h

>>60480405
Only if there is a contract(ToS) you sign, which states that ISP can do whatever they want with your data. Btw, they shouldn't be allowed to do that in the first place, as we are paying them for using their service and privacy, not for them selling our private data jeopardising are privacy

>>60480454
ToS also protects the user from throttling though, you pay for the service you pay for and if you can prove they aren't providing that service, you can sue them.

>>60480405
what is with this anti-NN shilling?

>>60480475
Is this an argument? Or an agreement with my comment?
Basically, what I'm saying is, that ISP should mind their own business and not look into my private life or sell my private data. Of course they'll be sued for throttling, because they are not providing the product service that they advertised

>>60480454

Then re-read your ToS.

>>60480484

NN is a leftist idea. /g/ has been pro-leftist anything.

>>60480547
An agreement.

>>60480565
Democracy WAS a leftist idea, why does the source of the concept matter?

>>60480662
Unironically yes. Seems the slow shitty dark web is the future.

UK is following in the footsteps.
Time to make make tinfoil hats and join the dark web
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html

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>>60480689
HAHAHAHA BRITĆUCKS

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>>60480565
>NN is a leftist idea
Who fucking cares. NN is critically important to a free and open internet. Do you want to pay more for shittier service? This is next level shillery.

>>60480801
ISPs can raise prices and make their service shittier even with net neutrality Mr. Netflix shill.

>>60478137
>corporations
No shit faggot, how about everyone else?

>>60480857
>Mr. Netflix shill
Top kek. Yeah just shilling for the common man here. Notice the total lack of argument. Just lube up your asshole the ISPs are going in dry. May Stallman strike you down where you stand.

>>60480961
>sorry because of the new net neutrality regulations the government has mandated that we install new meters all over our network to make sure we are in compliance, therefore we will have to double our prices to make up for this increased cost
>coincidentally, the local ISP alternative cannot afford these meters, and are going out of business, so you will be unable to switch to them
Oh vey!

>>60471757
ICANN is distributed now instead of controlled by the US. Not all root DNS servers are in the US. Not fucked at all. If the US tries to restrict the Internet, it will simply fall out of their hands even more.

I feel bad for my fellow ameribros, though.

>>60478110
Now companies can put more of that shit.
Hire even worse programmers.

Because they can pay for their sites to be prioritized at network trunks.

Imagine Internet turning to radio or TV. That's what's happening.

Thankfully net neutrality still stands in eu.

Fucking retarded amerifats that equate 'good for corporate ' to 'anti-comunism'. Thanks to those faggots we will be back to 18th century earnings wise.

Almost as dumb as fuckers who want to rise minimum wage. It will make shit more expensive for everyone.

You fucking retards got stuck with Bloody two parties and candidates. Both are the same shit.
Both are linked together, they dine together, and they basically inherit positions in parties.

And they both pit you against each other so you won't even care. And after few generations it will be the norm. Or probably it already is.

You basically created corrupt oligarchy. Have fun getting rid of that.

Also capitalism is inherently flawed. End goal for any corporation is to attain monopoly. And the longer one Corp is close to the monopoly the more odds are stacked against newcomers.

Which is worst fucking thing that can happen for customers.

Fucking think. Start thinking.
Get rid of electoral college shit. It is just a pure bloat.
Don't change your vote to one of main candidates if yours isn't going to win. By voting anyone other than them you hamstring them both.
For fuck sake, create a 3rd, or 4th party. Even if you get 1% of votes. Next year it might be 1.5%.

And fucking ban lobbying. It is basically a legal bribe.

Inb4 communism. Nope,fuck that shit. Lived through aftermath of it - and it was horrible.
Stop seeing politics in black and white. Us or them. Commies or capitalists. Conservatives Vs liberals.

Remember TPP? USA was fucked before the elections

The sad thing is that ISPs will probably be prioritizing highly commercial sites like Netflix and Facebook so the average person probably won't ever realize anything even happened.

Would any of you guys be interested in kicking off a nationwide mesh net? Would be fun, desu.

>>60481052
It would have to be wireless, which would be catastrophic.

>>60480994
the phrase is "oy vey"

>>60481066
>which would be catastrophic
why? with enough nodes it will be a non-issue

>>60480994
>ISP alternative
Fuckin lel.
>Cmon my fellow goyim! Let's get rid of nasty net neutrality so some bits can be transmitted via (((fast lanes)))! No bamboozle

>>60481098
http://www.fedex.com/us/fedex/shippingservices/package/standard_overnight.html
Literally hitler!

>>60481111
Right because some bits are special bits, friend! Got to pay extra for the (((premium electrons)))
>OH vey indeed

>>60481157
>oh vey some atoms are special atoms friend! Gotta pay extra!

>>60481167
>moving differently sized physical objects across the country is the same as sending electrical signals over a wire
Either you're a liar or you're really, really dumb. Not much middle ground here.

>>60481167
Are you a shill, a retard, or both?

>>60481173
>pay more for bigger and heavier packages
>pay more for longer sequences of electrons
It's annudah shoah!

>>60481192
>longer sequence of electrons
Confirmed for retard shill

>>60481192
this is called bandwidth and we already do this, this does not excuse arbitrary restrictions on specific domains

again you are fucking stupid

>>60481214
There are no arbitrary restrictions. We were talking about paid prioritization but you made the retarded argument about different sized physical objects.

>>60481173
>sending electrical signals over a wire

Right, so why does AWS/Azure etc charge a shit ton extra if you use more "electric signals"

>>60481229
>>60481230
I see they brought in the elite shill brigade
>azure/AWS
Oh I am laffin

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>>60481229
> different sized physical objects
the point was that they're not the same, dumbfuck

>two packages
>same size and weight
>wait a minute, mista goldberg. This one is from momandpopshop's mail order website. My brotha is Amazon's CFO. Wuddayasay this one gets lost for a couple of days?

anyway enjoy getting attention from other people, I'm done talking to you mentally handicapped goofus

>>60480689
Hang on, what, a literal Great British Firewall? Like China? Is the dark net honestly the future?

>>60477794
trumpcel cope

>>60481275
Mom and pop shop is perfectly capable of paying more for overnight shipping just like Amazon you fucking retard. It's their own fault for being cheap bastards while Amazon goes the extra mile to ensure their customers are happy.

>>60481267

So if bandwidth doesn't cost anything why do hosting sites charge you more for using more bandwidth?

>>60481306
Neck yourself bezos

>>60481317
>wahhh I shouldn't have to pay more if I want my packages delivered faster!!

>>60481314
>bandwidth
>data amount not origin
GAS
A
S

>>60481034
This, the real enemy of man is the scared elitest.

>>60481229
That's not paid prioritisation or a fast lane. That's being forced to pay more money to maintain the quality of service you already had. When there's no reason other than "because I can", that's called extortion... and the additional costs will be passed to to customers. Enjoy paying another $5 for Netflix or whatever.

>>60481078
Yeah but it would be wireless.

>>60478083
it doesn't

>>60481379
I don't use Netflix and I don't see why I should subsidize Netflix users. The other alternative is ISPs lowering the quality of service and increasing prices for everyone. Because yay Net Neutrality!

>>60481052
Have fun building it.
It is great ideas but you would have to build your own infrastructure

>>60478548
*parents' home

>>60481422
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>60481336
And sadly in western world no one notices that.
They won.

Get rid of regulation and you'll get freedom.

>>60481442
>Net Neutrality is passed
>ISPs decide that they want more money
>double the price for everyone
>oh vey we are being perfectly neutral!
>if you can't afford it then switch to a lower tier package!

>>60481422
You are paying for your own bandwidth.

Netflix pays for their.

Now some other paying customer cab make it so your paid bandwidth will be a fraction of its capacity.. Except if you are accessing his site.

Some 3rd party entity is basically dictating your rights to use Internet.

While your isp is selling your data to profit twice from you.

Heck, they can even sell Netflix data showing that x% of their customers moved to Hulu... But if you pay extra isp will prioritize Netflix traffic instead.

This shit fuck over everyone.
Companies providing content (escalating prices, especially in USA where isp have local monopolies, due to bidding wars for bandwidth fastlane) are losing

Customers are losing(guess how those companies will cover their losses? Increased prices. More adds, selling more of your personal data)

Only isp gain shitload.

I seriously hope that a lot of companies will move their infrastructure to outside of us.
It is doable.

>>60481534
That's not how paid privatization fucking works you fucking dolt. Can Amazon pay Fedex to slow down packages from Wal-mart? No they fucking can't. They pay for a specific tier of service with a specific delivery speed.

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>>60480689
good
less pajeets and pakis on the internet

>>60481534
That's a monopoly created by regulation. It's too expensive to create an ISP that can compete with comcast so they can do whatever they want. Only way to get a company to comply is to hit them where it hurts: their profits.

>>60481534
Oh also have fun staring your own company or product online.

Prices for fastlane will be an impassable wall for you.
This solidifies position if big players.
Which are still getting raped by isps.

>>60480689
Why are british conservatives censorship happy like american liberals are?

>>60481575
I'll use a cloud provider like Google, Amazon, or Microsoft who already have competitive deals with ISPs. Running a business off a raspberry pi in your basement from your home Comcast connection is retarded.

>>60481555
Are you seriously comparing digital signal to packages?
On the other hand this is Bloody /G/ - consumerism board.

First: courier services are self contained. One company has cars, couriers, logistic centers. They only share roads - which are public - with each other.

Isp is more akin to owner of the road. You pay to use it.

And if you own the road, without regulations, yes you fucking can block all FedEx traffic over it, while letting DHL travel freely.

Amazon would pay FedEx to slow down packages from Walmart if it was legal and profitable.

>>60481567
Obviously, but any company will try to mitigate the losses by increasing prices.
Competition is required for capitalism to function.


>>60481592
And they have to pay more for bandwidth. Which makes you pay more for your server.
Plus you block a way for more hosting companies to emerge. Which hurts competition on markets.
Which means they can rise prices even more.

>>60480770
DELET

>>60478690
/Thread

>>60481697
>Isp is more akin to owner of the road. You pay to use it.
Except they also own the networking equipment, the nodes, the network engineers in charge of the nodes, the technicians, the customer service. Really makes you think.

>And if you own the road, without regulations, yes you fucking can block all FedEx traffic over it, while letting DHL travel freely.
>Amazon would pay FedEx to slow down packages from Walmart if it was legal and profitable.
No, that would violate anti-trust regulations. An agnostic paid prioritization model where anyone can get competitive prices just like the parcel delivery industry would not allow this to happen.

>>60477794
>>60477946
Wow! You sure are good at spilling bullshit

>>60481819
It's either a false flag or an t_d redditor who would call Israel based if liberals were against Israel.

>>60481455
>being oppressed by corporations is freedom

Reminder that all major ISPs have been violating net neutrality and getting away with it for at least a decade.

>>60481906
This.

>>60481906
>Letting the government dictate fairness is freedom

>>60481906
>implying you don't enjoy being oppressed because it vaults up your victim hood status

>>60481906
True freedom. Same reason we don't support labor unions in America.

>>60481781
The point is that isp is not a self -contained service.
They connect to the other isp.

FedEx /DHL analogy would be like sending a package through FedEx halfway to move
- the FastTrack Internet Lane. But who knows what would happen in the future and why leave doors to fucking everyone over open?


End goal if any company is a fucking monopoly. It literally means infinite approaching asymptotic profits if they have a monopoly on something vital.

And monopoly fucking fuck over everyone else.

In eu you can pay fraction of USA price for way faster Internet. Why? Because isp are directly competing against each other.

Oh there are rural areas that isp have a monopoly. But due to regulation they have to offer same prices as in every other region.
Which makes it profitable for both customers, and company.

Company expands their networks for basically a guaranteed customers, which get access to good service for competitive price.

It only works because in major population centers they have to compete(either better service, or cheaper prices).

While in us you have nearly no overlapping isp service areas. At least not major enough to warrant competitive prices.

As a person you could stop using Internet and just use mobile.

As a company you are utterly fucked.

>>60481989
The government is in service to the people, not the corporation.
The corporation is the private interest of a person or persons and only infringes upon governmental jurisdiction when it is acting unethically toward the persons under the vigil of the government.

>>60481993
You're as brainwashed as the SJWs you espouse hatred toward.

>>60482005
Actually, the corporation still has more choice than you, because they have the physical power to restrict your choices.

>>60482014
FedEx to move halfway through, then use DHL.
Or any other courier service.

Or to be more direct. - Paying for the right to use the roads on the way. Where owners dictate top speeds based in their whims - differently for each user.


Bloody clover cut part if my post.

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>>60482035
Comcast it easily a top 3 corporation that I have to deal with on a regular basis. Blow me

>>60482014
Ok, ISPs have a monopoly. They decide to move everyone to the "slow lane". There is no fast lane because that's against net neutrality. Meanwhile, they raise prices of all their subscribes by 5x. They are a monopoly so no one can switch. Now what?

>>60482035
>Actually, the corporation still has more choice than you, because they have the physical power to restrict your choices.
I was hoping people would understand my comment was meant to be joke/ironic. American workers have shit wages and shit work schedules and few benefits because of the lack of labor unions.

>>60482081

Monopoly to what? The internet?

Most places have at least 2 different options for 15+mbit internet.

Then there's 4 major mobile carriers.

That's 6.

>hurr but i'm entitled to streaman muh netflix

>>60482075
Elect a government that serves the people, as it should, not the corporations? Too bad you elected the incarnation of corporate lobbying, eh?

>>60482090
It is somewhat hard to tell the difference between trolling and genuine ignorance with the amount of cognitive dissonance and/or brainwashing /g/ seems to be inflicted with.

>>60482110
all these pro-NN warriors neglect to admit that Comcast doesn't even exist in most of rural America, the regions they're fighting so hard in favor of. as if fly over states give a fuck about these whiny losers

>>60482090
Labor unions have turned into mafia demanding more benefits and less work hours.

>>60482127
>People's opinions aren't allowed to change, because I said so!
How can a human be this stupid?

>>60482125
it's much easier to ditch Comcast than the government

>>60482147
You really need to do something about your political class, at this point, they're nothing more than aristocracy.

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>>60482145
>hurr Comcast is a monopoly!
>doesn't even have coverage in the vast majority of the country

>>60482139
People working together to negotiate slightly better wages and the ability to take a few days off every now and then is not unreasonable.

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>>60482159
>implying

>>60482167
It is about population, not the area of a country, you fucking retard.
That's like saying the Russian people don't have a monopoly on Russia, because Siberia.

Do you guys not remember the world before Obama? Were you not born yet?

Nothing will change, just like nothing changed when it got signed in.

>>60482090
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>60482189
>http://www.dictionary.com/browse/aristocracy
They fit into the definition.

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>municipality gives effective exclusive agreement to a single ISP

fuggin corporations screwing us over with monopolits! we need the government to protect us!

>>60482227
Go and Che some CEOs then, Rambo Jr.

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>>60482191
what a retarded analogy

>>60482192
>Nothing will change, just like nothing changed when it got signed in.

that's because the entire industry has a shit ton of lawsuits against the government that have yet to be fully resolved. takes a couple years bro and there is a lot of lawsuits.

>>60482257
Yes, fitting for a retarded argument.
>HUUURR DUUUR AREA COVERAGE!
Whoa, I didn't know the land could pay ISP service charges. :^)

how can u be /g/ and unironically support trump and this bullshit

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>>60482386
because fuck you

>>60482430
haha memes haha xd
ur life is so boring u chose the worst option just so maybe trump could start a war and you would die in it
thats how worthless your life is and youre so weak u cant even kill yourself

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>>60471778
>>60471911
>>60472725
>>60472915
>/pol/ comments

It's Trump who elected him, your God Emperor of mankind, remember?

>>60482430
good goy, daddy orange guy will feed you more cum tonight

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>>60482459
Hillary is way worse. TPP would have killed this website by now. stay mad though, faggot

>>60482487
>Hillary is way worse
not an argument just choose some meme party instead

>>60482487
Whataboutery

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>>60482500
>u chose the worst option
>not an argument

>>60482386
>political shitpost
>>60482430
>counter-shitpost
>>60482459
>>60482480
>unironic mad shitposting

I don't get it, what exactly are these people trying to accomplish?

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>>60482535

>>60482535
im not even a us citizen this is all i got
if i was there id straight up sniper trumps head

>>60481575
If your startup requires that much bandwidth, then you should pay for it. If not, don't.

>>60482535
t. blumbf supporter ignoring the fact that his actions killed the internet

>liberals hate trump and consider everything he does bad
>trump decides not to have government influence ISPs
>leftists get mad because they apparently want trump's government influencing ISPs

Ummm?

>>60482560
Trump will shut down Israel and the jews.

>>60482567
they're not very bright

>>60477794
Good goy

>>60482081
Yes.
No shit - monopoly hurts customer
As I fucking said so.

This move let's isp obliterate any future competition from newcomers. Which leads to higher chances of attaining monopoly.

This is a gateway to rise prices anyways, and block traffic to unwanted, isp-wise, sites.

Isp in USA have local monopolies, most of Americans, including in big cities, have a choice of a single isp.

Or satellite Internet lol.

You are basically fighting to let companies fuck you over. Harder. Stronger.

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>>60482583

>>60482567
I think you're missing the part where everyone supported the FCC regulating the internet well before Trump even ran for president. This latest fad where everyone pretends to hate net neutrality started after Obama voiced his opinion about it. If Obama didn't say anything it might not have gotten as large as it did desu

>>60482593
ESL retard detected

Hopefully american ISPs will charge a shitton of money to access 4chan, the quality of this website could actually improve

Thanks Donald

>>60482556
Oh yes.
Paying for bandwidth is fine.
But with this isp can slow down traffic for your customers to your site.
So you can't utilize your own bandwidth.
Just because someone else bid more for FastTrack Lane

>>60482593
In what way does this grant a monopoly? If they already have a monopoly why aren't they just cutting to the chase and raising prices to infinity, net neutrality or not?

>>60482627
>I love safe spaces...
>... but only when they are 'right-wing'.
:^)

>>60482617
>everyone supported the FCC
skepticism.jpg

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>>60482601
I don't give a fuck about racism or sexism you brainlet redditor. I'm not going to suck our president's dick on every single decision he makes, unlike you. You literally conned yourself by opposing Net Neutrality, unless you're a shill of course, or a masochistic cuck.

If the internet died why am I still on the internet? Why am I on 4chan?

>>60482622
What the fuck is even esl?

>>60482646
Contracts with other isps, mostly
Plus there is a limit how much people are going to pay for stationary Internet. Cellphone is an alternative, but only for end-user.

Why the fuck you all want to drive prices up for yourselves?
Why the fuck you want to empower "too big to fall" corporations even more?

>>60482680
Trump has nothing to do with this you dumb fucking retard

>>60482690
>man who has the chance to veto every bill he comes across
>nothing to do with this

>>60482659
4chan and reddit are part of the reason the 2015 rules were put in place. They basically flooded the FCC's comment box and actually brought the site down for a while. IIRC the title II debate was the most commented on issue that the FCC ever had and it was nearly unanimous in support of title II. These skeptical people came out shortly after Obama said he wanted the FCC commissioner to consider title II or something.

>>60482467
Assblasted pajeet detected

>>60482688
Where is the premise behind your questions? There is literally nothing stopping ISPs from raising prices up if they want to. What exactly is so special about this that they'll use it to drive up prices?

>>60482707
4chan heavily participated in anti-SOPA activism, what you're talking about is news to me. By 2015 4chan was already entering well into the "fuck off we don't want to draw any more attention to ourselves" mindset.

>>60471757
How is net neutrality supposed to affect the rest of the world?
The law was supposed to protect american business from ISP corruption, but the rest of the world does not have the ISP problem america have.

The US might get slower internet, but who cares.

>>60482638
>But with this isp can slow down traffic for your customers to your site.
If your site is so resource intensive that the experience noticeably suffers from not having bought faster access, then you should consider upgrading, or reach out to your consumer base to inform them of the reason and ask for their input on whether it would be worth it to them for you to upgrade and pass on the cost.

>>60481555
The difference with physical packages is that with physical packages, there some work involved.
Normally postmen work 30 minutes a week, so they are going to need overtime pay if they should send more than 5 letters a day, hence the different tiers of pay.

With network traffic, you pay different tiers for different frequencies.
The extra work involved is the infrastructure, as you need better connections to handle higher frequencies.

If net neutrality laws was kept, owners of servers could pay X to ISP A for a connection, and customers pay Y to ISP B for their connection.
They wanted to avoid ISP B to also demand the owner of a server pay protection money as this could get out of hand really fast.

Friendly reminder that ISPs are common carriers

>>60483304
wrong

>>60483084
>The difference with physical packages is that with physical packages, there some work involved.
The difference is becoming marginal with the amount of automation going on in logistics, i.e. driverless cranes hauling cargo onto a huge container ship with a crew of 3. The "last mile" involves more manual labor than shipping your package from china to the us. Same thing is true for ip packets (customer support, digging cables into your street, etc.).

>americans get btfo by isp's

why is this a bad thing again?

>>60482690
He signed the bill, he put the guy OP mentioned in power, fuck, what more do you want?

>>60483960
nothing, I'm good

>poor people won't be able to use the internet
Good, they shit up every discussion with "duh wun puhcent" anyways. Now implement this worldwide and I'll be happy.

>>60482717
Our shit fucked, yo. You and i are both in trouble. Going incognito won't solve this problem we got our hands on. And yet you're still obsessed about race.

>>60484002
>nigger speak

>>60482801
>The US might get slower internet, but who cares

Fuck you.

>>60484002
>oooga booga internet gone :(

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>>60471778
>>60471911
>>60472725
>>60474959
>>60475503
>not blaming God Emperor Trump and Prime Minister Bannon
When will the delusions end?

i don't get why people want net neutrality so bad. The major change would be slower speeds and smaller data caps.

Under net neutrality the only ways your ISP could shape/restrict/manage your internet usage is government warrant/activity, black hat hacking, spam, and unlawful acts.

So bandwidth plans have to be reduced to the lowest common denominator.

>>60484191
Das right. Internet is very important. That's why you and i are on it right now.

>>60483936
in your country there are no restrictions about using a home internet subscriptions for commercial purposes ? Because that goes against Net Neutrality.

ISP: "You need to buy this monthly fee to use streaming sites." (netflix...)

So If you don't buy it they will throttle your internet bandwidth. Streaming sites become unusable.

>>60482707
...Tim Wu (the guy who *invented* Net Neutrality) was petitioning the FCC while the common people were still singing along with Slim Shady about how FCC won't let us be.

>>60483960
death to all niggers

>>60484514
#1 that's bad for optics #2 it goes against net neutrality

much easier for the ISPs to agree on rate hikes which are net neutral.

>>60478786
Tom Wheeler would've likely stayed on.

The british invented the internet. Stupid, fat, and useless americans get the fuck off and stop ruining everything.

>>60482487
>TPP would have killed this website by now.
you mean a trade deal?

>>60484335
>So bandwidth plans have to be reduced to the lowest common denominator.
Tell that to Europe.

>>60484756
What are you referring to ? Europe doesn't have net neutrality.

I fail to see the problem with net neutrality? All you guys are doing is sperging out and offering no arguments against it.

name one (1) issue that could have been solved by net neutrality that didn't result in a corporation getting fined under an existing law or go away on its own because of a free market.

>>60484842
Net Neutrality means ISPs can't offer faster connections with some limitations. Net Neutrality means you can't give out free service if it has any usage restrictions. (ex. I remember when DSL was gaining market share, a dial up provider started a free plan aimed at the poor and elderly that was totally free but had usage restrictions).

>>60477794
Yeah and Obama won TWICE:D

>>60485227
He actually won the popular vote too.

Data is data. Getting rid of NN doesn't make anything more "innovative" or cheaper for the ISPs (and ostensibly for the consumers).

This is a fucking racket, clear as day.

1. Title II classification is pretty meaningless. They are basically utilities in name only - except that, once classified as such, the existing companies gain permanent, government sanctioned monopolies.
2. The lack of legislation is what has made the Internet the most important technological advance since fire was discovered.
3. This is a matter for the FTC, not the FCC. The usage of a product, utility or not, and the abuse/overcharging of said product is a matter for the FTC. The FCC filing is essentially useless as it stands now.

>>60485362
Particles are particles. Fedex should not offer different shipping speeds because all particles are equal.

USA should just nuke themselves

>trump says he doesn't like net neutrality
>vote for him
>surprised when he appoints someone who gets rid of net neutrality

Are americans really this dumb?

>>60485710

more like

>sign a bill
>retarded manchildren cultists on the internet don't blame you for signing the bill

>>60474931

It almost looks like an abstract painting

>>60481989
So are you also against the 1st amendment?

>>60482192
So they are spending all that thousands of dollars lobbying to kill net neutrality just for shits then huh?

>>60482487
Litterally every cannidate was against the TPP, including hillary

>>60485790
The first amendment only applies to government persecution you numskull.

>>60485812
>Hillary
>taking anything she says publicly for granted
Get out.

We need companies like comcast because they create jobs and keep the internet stable. Without them the job market and internet would collapse.

>>60483667
I know.
This is the worst part about buying something with tracking.
You can see it takes 2 days to send it to the hub, a day to send it to the right country and then they sit on it for a week and then give you a letter telling you to pick it up the next day.

I get a lot of stuff by mail and I often buy holland for the single reason that I know they will open my mail and check for drugs and send it to me faster than a letter sent locally.
I don't think there is a profession which is so consistent in sucking at their job as the postal service.

>trump does something bad
>BUT WHAT ABOUT HILLARY

pathetic

>>60477826
that's the only option. man i'm sure glad i live in america, home of the free. at least i don't have to go through the mental turmoil of choosing what i want.

>>60485979
And trump is any most trustworthy? Both of them are fucking snakes in human skin, the only difference was one was a corporate whore and the other was a coroporate cock that fiucked corporate whores

>>60485857
That's not the point.

The first amendment and net neutrality both aren't regualations: they aren't telling people what they can't do, they are making sure you CAN do things by telling other people they can't restrict you.

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>mfw GOP get cucked when Comcast blocks all news except for MSNBC

>>60481034
wow much wisdom. thank you almighty oracle.

>>60486167
They first amendment doesn't stop anyone else from restricting you. If your boyfriend doesn't like what you said he will dump you ass. If your employer doesn't like what you said they will fire your ass.

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>>60485710
Americans didn't vote for Trump

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Thanks Pajeet

>>60486331
None of your examples are relevant or analogus to what is being disscussed

Are you okay with your water or electrical company charging you more or less depending on what you are using your electrecity or water for even if you don't actually use any more of it?

Of course not, that'd be retarded

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I'm sure he will make sure his hilarious videos get plenty of bandwidth.

>>60478083
But it was. ISPs used to be regulated by the government under Title I.
Verizon sued the federal government, saying that Title I does not give them enough power to regulate ISPs as they were.
The Supreme Court ruled in Verizon's favor and suggested reclassifying them under Title II to continue regulations as they were before.
The FCC reclassified ISPs under Title II.
Now an ex-Verizon lawyer is acting like he doesn't know any of this.

>>60486418
Yes you inbred the water that goes to the toilet is different and cheaper than the water that goes to the sink. Electricity prices also vary by the time of day.

>>60486489
That's just patently false. It would cost far more to pipe two different types of water than it does to pipe a bit more regular water.

>>60486471
>Now an ex-Verizon lawyer is acting like he doesn't know any of this.
and he was a commissioner while this was all going on and couldn't possibly not know this.

>>60486167
I never brought up trump. But it's retarded to think Hillary was anti TPP. Trump may secretly dupport it but all we have for that is his word he's against it, meanwhile we have the emails proving clintons enjoyment of TPP.

>>60486489
>>>60486418
>Electricity prices also vary by the time of day.
Not for the consumer.

>>60486559
>forcing the consumer to subsidize the difference in rates is a good thing
Hooray communism!

>>60485544
You seem like a special kind of retard. False analogy, my point stands.

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>>60471757
Haha libtards btfo make way for captialism you fucking gommies :D

>>60486578
Nothing stopping the electric company from implementing peak pricing. They're allowed to do that. It's usually too complicated though. They read your electric meter once every 2 months or something to see the total usage.

>>60486616
But that would be non-neutral and literally hitler.

>>60486654
We are defining neutrality here to be a very specific thing. If you want to play dumb, have at it. Neutrality makes it so you can't change the performance of the service based on what you're using it for. It has nothing to do with usages and pricing.

>>60486720
data is data, all data is equal
if you charge different amounts for different packets of data then that is explicitly non neutral.

>>60486734
>if you charge different amounts for different packets of data then that is explicitly non neutral.
Okay. But that's not what net neutrality refers to. Net neutrality allows for any sort of pricing an ISP wants, as long as it isn't based on partnerships and/or preference to specific types of content.

>>60486853
>as long as it isn't based on partnerships and/or preference to specific types of content.

Mobile carriers do this all the time.

>>60487011
I know. It's a smaller issue to be tackled at a future time. Programs like those are at odds with net neutrality. They may need to be ended or some sort of deal worked out. People are okay with it right now because their mobile internet is secondary to their broadband, and has very strict data caps.

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>>60481445
All this makes me do is want to replay Deus Ex again. I can at least pretend I have super tech-powers in what is basically reality in that.