AMD Vega CONFIRMED Dead on Arrival

Pajeet, my son...

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>>60448747
DELET SIR

>>60448747
lol what a shit company

>>60448747
I'm not surprised at all tb- h

1080 < vega < 1080ti

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>>60448747
FUCKING KEK

they were comparing the AMD Pro Duo which is the 28nm card, hawaii or some shit take a look at the specs.

As much as it's funny seeing all the AMD fanboys fall flat on their face this is bad for us consumers.

We really need some actual competition in the high end segment

Titan is also for the 'professional market' so vega FE could be in that price range

If not just b cause th RX vega doesn't beat the 1080ti doesn't mean it's DOA for the simple reason nvidia cards suck on ryzen and fuck Intel

What about the 4K 60 FPS gayman footage they showed off? Fake news? Settings were on low?

>>60449012
>for the simple reason nvidia cards suck on ryzen and fuck Intel
well memed

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>>60448943

even as a fan I can't help but think Vega is nowhere near expectations and AMD is clearly trying to soften the inevitable blow on its stock value.

this is what I predict they'll do next month.

>delay Vega until Raven Ridge is ready
>announce both at the same time
>focus on running comparisons against intel hd graphics as much as possible
>laptops! affordable VR! HBM!
>cherry pick dice/id soft games for GPU benchmarks, otherwise show as little as possible
>sell discrete vega cards at tiny margins and with tiny stock levels, they do okay-ish against the 1070 and 1080 Ti but quickly get rekt by volta
>funnel some of that ryzen income to RTG and hope they make something good next year

>>60449049
It's AMD fanboy's own fault for overhyping another product though.

AMD already released a video of the 'flagship' vega chip in DOOM showing around 1080 levels of performance.

>>60448996
it would be cool if AMD could simultaneously shit on two companies much larger than itself

but it looks like they'll only be beating Intel for the foreseeable future

I just don't get it. the rx 480 was competetive vs the 1060. can't they just slap on more shaders or some shit?

>>60449109
Doubtless they'll release a refresh of it that fares a bit better, but it won't be for awhile.

>>60448747
>open architecture and ecosystem
In AMD jargon this reads "lol we won't provide software support"
This is the reason why nvidia is ahead in the professional market.

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>>60449012
>Titan is also for the 'professional market'
NVIDIA doesn't seem to agree. They're advertising it for gaming and VR, you better go ahead and let them know they're wrong.

>>60449128
Lol, they already did, the 580

>>60449071
"poor Volta" came from AMD themselves. this is on their fault.

fanboys of any company are always going to behave in the same predictable way and shouldn't be given consideration.

>>60449109
because that doesn't solve their CU under-utilization issues.

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>>60448943
0/10

>>60449155
Agreed, the poor volta shit was their own doing.

It's funny though, many people on this forum will still think of AMD as the good guy company and Nvidia as the shill company while in reality they are both shill companies, Nvidia just has the better tech

>>60449167
isn't that like good for AMD?

so why is everyone crying, seems like AMD is winning badly here.

>>60449174
I don't think you know what "shill" means.

also, actions speak louder than words. I'll take clumsy PR over gsync/gameworks/etc any day. if you can't see why AMD is considered the "ethical" company you are misinformed.

>>60449219
I'm not misinformed at all, the general trend among posts on /g/ is that AMD is the 'underdog good guy company' while Nvidia is 'Le evil happy merchant'.

>I'll take clumsy PR
Clumsy PR, oh they didn't mean it, it was just an accident? Stop being so naive

>>60449194
Vega Frontier is the professional product and they're comparing it to a Titan, not the equivalent Quadro which scores 150 in Catia according to wccfetch. if this was RX Vega there would be no issue.

>>60448747
AMDead did the SAME shit with Fury X vs 980 ti at the launch, they leak some stupid rigged bench then wait™ for the drivers for match with the non aib 980 ti

Nvidia are evils but
AMD are evils and incompetent

>>60449249
According to this guy
>>60449219
It's not intentional at all, they are just being clumsy, not a shill company at all

>>60448747
Can someone explain to me where Vega is going to fall down? The benchmarks certainly suggest it will, but I don't know enough to understand why.

Leaks currently suggest that compared to the GTX 1080 ti it will have more cores, more clock speed, more TFLOPS, more memory bandwidth, more texture mapping units, only losing on render output processors and (possibly) VRAM quantity. Why is it going to be so slow?

>>60449276
>Why is it going to be so slow?
Different architecture

>>60449071
DOOM benchmark was months ago. The benchmarks they showed yesterday put it in 1080ti/Titan X territory.

>>60449249
hm right.

just one potential line of defense for AMD, don't most of those software benches support primarly cuda? 135-150 for the quadro seems good but if its under cuda then the real hardware adventage should be much smaller if any.

>>60449246
I literally wrote a long winded thread about how they're deliberately fucking with data presentation to fool investors, 10 minutes ago. I say it's "clumsy" because it's transparent as fuck.

you know that enthusiasts tend to be biased in favor of AMD and that's real cool, but you have zero clue as to why. just lurk more and spare yourself further embarrassment in the meantime.

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>amd
>pro

kek

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>>60449274
surprise motherfucker

>>60448747
raja koduri stinks of smelly curry

>>60449312
AMD always shows their best hand. always. if there's ANY opencl workload that puts them in a good light, they'll fucking demo it in front of an audience.

>>60449327
Just clumsy PR man, AMD didn't mean it

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Just Wait™ for Navi.

>>60449368
sure, be retarded on purpose now, makes no difference

>>60449415
ok kid

>>60449034
Ugh there is more then enough proof do some research nvidia cards don't scale for shit past 6 cores

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH

I hope most amdtards kill themselves now and stop polluting the internet. Nobody would mind them if they weren't such obnoxious imbeciles.

POO IN LOO

>>60449448
can't be more obnoxious than these shitposts >>60449446 >>60449461

I always picture a toddler covered in fluorescent green shit going "le poo poo mommy" while typing their memes on alienware laptops

>AMD's vice president is literally called Rajeet
What a disgusting "company". Intel and Nvidia are for White People.

>>60449464
>>60449464
>low-priced
uh oh, it's polaris all over again.

>>60449085
/g/ is dumb for thinking Intel and Nvidia are the same company. Intel has been sitting on its ass for 6 years, while Nvidia has been aggressively pushing into deep learning market, it makes sense that AMD would never catch up to them out of no where.

>>60449516
Where are you quoting low-price from? The picture says lower-price

>>60449276
>more clockspeed

Vega can hit 2.1ghz? Source?

>>60449517
are you saying Intel has been "sitting on its ass" solely because they haven't delivered anything worthwhile?

>>60448747
They forgot to mentioned the quadros are like 5 times more expensive

>>60449577
where can I see those Instict/Frontier prices

>>60449577
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133637

How is a P5000 5x more expensive? Are you retarded or what?

>>60449549
You mean besides desktop tier processors in laptops with all day battery life?

POO

>>60449629
those ultra-low power modes are impressive but Intel's laptop chips are most assuredly not desktop tier

>>60449624
The P6000 is the titan XP equivalent and its 5K

>>60449659
Sure they are, the E3 Xeon's and HQ series i7 processors are just as fast as desktop offerings.

>GP104 is beating the pants off a 500mm2 GPU with HBM2

RADEON PRO MOAR LIKE RADEON POO

>>60449549
Intel are in the same position amd were before core 2. They thought they can milk athlon 64 indefinitely and intel would just stay on netburst. The result was sandy bridge vs zambezi.

>>60449611
Frontier is probably $799 for the water cooled 16GB card, $699 for the blower 16GB card, and $599 for the 8GB gaming focused card

Lol. I haven't seen this much spin since Fox news tried to blame the leaker of the Trump classified information to the Russians leak.

Good job lads. You've cracked the case!

>>60448747
first of all
>wccftech
this shit should be banned
at least archive it

but back on topic, what's the point of even including that? Is the 'frontier edition' going to compete in the same segment as titan xp? is this how they deal with HBM shortage or 16000 units or whatever it was? just give the card a 'cool' name and sell it for $1000?

>>60449662
Not him but in the news they say it slower than Quadro P2000 and P4000

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>>60448747
That's because Vega 10 will have 1/16 DP floating point rate. Vega 20, the 7nm Vega, will have 1/2 rate. This has been known for like 2 months in advance

>>60449713
>This is what AYYMDPOORFAGS actually believe

>>60448747
How the fuck you came up with this?

>>60449729
At least, did you read the news before you cry?

>>60449745
FP64 is not used in pro graphics, faggot

>>60449746
>meme meme meme poo poo ayy poo meme

>>60449305
Still don't have any response to this as to why that gameplay footage doesn't count and this compute benchmark shit does.

>>60449736
I'd imagine so, but the main draw is the 16GBs of VRAM for less than the titan XP costs with comparable performance

>>60449745
>Vega 20, the 7nm Vega
doesn't yesterday's presentation basically prove this is fake?
didn't they say vega is 14nm and 14nm+(whatever that means) in their roadmap and next year is navi on 7nm?

>>60449745
>>60449729
>the new Vega GPU is slower than Pascal P6000 and P5000
>WHO CARE HURR DURR FAKE NEWS MAGA

>>60449786
doom gameplay was with fiji drivers

they've probably made substantial gains on the driver side since

if they haven't then something's truly fucked

>>60449765
>>60449818
>WHO CARE HURR DURR FAKE NEWS MAGA
at what point did I imply anything said there was wrong?
I just said wccf is cancer shit and you're a faggot for giving them clicks

>>60449729
You know quadro results are known and you can compare them to the vega ones. Fucking retarded drone.

>>60449814
You're thinking of Zen on 14+ but Navi is 2019, Vega 20 is 2018.

>>60449786

Because it's comparing two different segments.

Quaddro GP100 goes for $3000. Tesla cards go for $6000. The fact that AMD is right on their tails with a $1000 card, means AMD is finished! Some how.


The anti-AMD shilling is getting desperate.

>>60449845
this. wccftech was literally proven to go back in time and modify their old articles so they could claim their leaks/predictions are accurate.

it's a rag and you shouldn't link it even if it confirms your biases.

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>>60449876
pic related
>vega
>14nm
>14nm+

>>60449729
>>60449845
>blame wccftech news
This article was adequate with sources, numbers, citations and not rumour or 'leaks'

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>>60448747

>>60449686
A 6700k is much faster than a 6700hq

>>60448747
>4chan comes back up
>wccftech trash article get posted
>immediate circlejerk with the usual retards jerking themselves raw with crying wojaks and poo spam

Just kill it again. /g/ doesn't deserve to live.

>>60449879
>The fact that AMD is right on their tails with a $1000 card
Then why don't they compare it to quadro and spin it like the CF480 vs 1080 last year?

>>60449905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=590h3XIUfHg

@00:30:00

This shit is from amdrone

>>60449897

Everhthing was legit except for the conclusion. The entire fucking point of the article is a worthless conclusion that doesn't understand the professional market

>>60449961
>The entire fucking point of the article is a worthless conclusion that doesn't understand the professional market

Can you elaborate please?

>>60449895
Then it's probably Vega on Ryzen APUs

>>60449870
>You know quadro results are known and you can compare them to the vega ones
what does this have to do with anything that I've said?
learn to read you mongol
see
>>60449845
I'm saying wccf is shit not that vega is better than quadros or whatever you dumb nigger cock sucker

>>60449897
except people were already talking about it way before wccf
see https://disqus.com/home/discussion/videocardz/amd_radeon_vega_has_officially_4096_stream_processors/#comment-3309466910
>copy paste a disqus post on a website
>look mum my article is prufeshonal
gtfo with this cancer

>>60449924
haha are u le mad poo person?? poo poo xD

>>60449249
aren't the shit tier binned FE not just the consumer cards? i don't care for scientific stuff, but this really looks nice for me

>>60450007
>except people were already talking about it way before wccf

But everybody was surprised about the Titan X is the chart...WHAT THE HELL is that argument?????????

>>60449937

Because the professional market isn't as retarded as you gaymer kiddies.

They are already going to have a massive node of multiple GPUs. What the fuck would be the point of highlighting crossfire if they are planning on having 16 fucking cards to a node?

>>60449914
Yeah but thats the enthusiast part.

If you compared a 6920hq against say a 6700 non-k the difference would not be enough to say it wasn't as fast as desktop offerings.

>>60449995
point still stands, there's no 7nm vega, navi is it's successor.
it's possible they just scrapped the 7nm vega port, because they're ahead of schedule with navi.

>>60449995

They confirmed this yesterday.

>>60450064
>poojet being this retarded
If it's $1k card then king poojet could've compared it to quadro and said it has almost the same performance but costs 3x less. Instead he compared it to a gaming card in professional environment. Now kill yourself streetshitter.

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>>60450146

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2015/03/17/digits-devbox/

Kill your self with rectal trauma you piece of shit.

>>60450108
okay sure your top-end chip that comes with 4 grand laptops can match a 300$ desktop chip

enjoy being technically sort-of correct

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>>60449629
Kill yourself you perma-BTFO'd tripfaggot

>>60450198
>deep learning
>poojet shows CAD
kill yourself constipated streetshitter

>use Catia, Creo and Solidworks benchs
>use a gaming card vs a pro card

AMD is bigly desperate, Vega will be a disaster, sad!

>>60450263

Move those goal posts faggot.

>>60450295
Show me official nvidia Titan graphs for CAD, retard. Quadros use different drivers for this purpose alone.

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>>60450238
wow that's a bretty big BTFOing if I say so myself
it must be pretty embarrassing posting after that
I honestly would've changed trip right then and there

>>60450111
That's good then.

>>60450338

Do you even know what the fuck you're talking about anymore?

Or are you just completely fucking twisted?

>>60450524
Let me spell it to you like to a retarded /v/tard. CAD workloads benefit from cards with optimized drivers like Quadro and vega FE or whatever they call it. King poojet compares vega FE with said drivers vs gaymen card. Now kill yourself.

>>60450674

Oh look appeals to authority after getting butt blasted.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-NVIDIA-Quadro-Pascal-Performance-938/

>>60450831
You're completely clueless. Just fuck off to /v/ or r/amd already.

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>>60450868

why are your posts so dumb?

>>60448996
amd needs to die, so intel and nvidia are forced to split.
Until then, we won't have competition.

>>60449822
What is that even supposed to mean? You can't exactly slap drivers for a completely different architecture and have shit run.

>>60450868

You are bent the fuck over. It's ok, I'll be gentle. At first.

why didn't they just die shrink a fury and give it gddr5x?

vega is a joke.

>>60451092

>What the uninformed believe.

Tomb Raider at 4k had the minimums of a Titan X maximums.

>>60451161
Wait, really?

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>>60450868
>buttblasted Nvidiafag telling others to go back to /v/

>>60451226
No. It's a single /v/tard from r/amd shitting the thread.

>>60451007
Except you can. They share the GCN instruction set architecture in the same way all x86 CPUs share the x86 ISA. But the microarchitecture is still a different implementation thereof, and a newer uarch may support newer instructions and/or features that can improve performance like how AVX was a huge improvement in certain workloads.

>>60449012
>>60449146
>Limited to 2 per person
>Professional market

Yeah right. I don't think so TIM.

fury 2.0 :3

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>>60451226

Really.

>>60451226
Even if that is true. Don't be too optimistic, as it is only 1 game. I am honestly afraid that card will perform around 1080 level, with occasional jumps into 1080ti territory.

>>60452641
they dont even say it's 4k
This is a test of HBCC functioning when the card is running with overloaded RAM (they only left 2gb on and the rest is adressed space on an SSD insread of GPU memeory)

>>60450901
>implying intel and nvidia can get along in 2017

>>60449146
titan is a stupid marketing trick. It only exists for the benchmarks

>>60449995
>Then it's probably Vega on Ryzen APUs
they will pull Polaris 20 on Vega too.

>>60449071
>in DOOM showing around 1080 levels of performance.
>solid 70
>1080 level
You mean Titan X level of performance.

>>60452900
this it's probably 720p, vega is DOA

>>60452900
The entire point of HBCC is to tackle the massive increase in VRAM usage when rendering in 4k. A single frame is like 33MB with 32-bit pixels (RGB+A). You have reserved memory for a bunch of those, the scene data you receive from the CPU has to be processed and memory reserved to render to. You need copies of frames to perform post processing effects (original and a final). That's in addition to the scene data itself like geometry, textures, lighting, etc.

Also, it makes no sense for anything other than 4k to have a 13.7FPS minimum in Rise of Tomb Raider. Not even Fury did that badly in 1080p or 1440p.

>>60449629
Oh look, it's /g/'s pet tripfaggot.

>>60453353
>The entire point of HBCC is to tackle the massive increase in VRAM usage when rendering in 4k
No, that has nothing to do with HBCC
HBCC is a feature for big data guys and Pixar who need much more than 8-16gb of memory and it allows allocating space in RAM and even on an SSD for that reason.

If anything it is much slower than using HBM on the card but it's the only way of having terabytes of memory available for GPU.

This benchmark doesnt even have anything to do with gaming, just a technology demostration.

>>60449109
AMD GCN is fucked, 4096 core is it limit

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After having a read though all the posts
it seem nvidia idoits are getting scared>

this is the same shit as the 300 series when I said the 960 was DOA it took them months to recover and even then the 380 rekt'em so hard that reviews stopped showing the beachmarks because it was giving nvidia a raw anus

Is only weeks out untill vega and already nvidia's trolls hide their worry by saying Vega is DOA and yet under the table the fury X beats the 980ti and not a word for nvidia

I'm getting really hyped.
even the 580 is giving the nvidia idoits a red face on price alone lol.

LOL.
pic related.

>>60453353
>Also, it makes no sense for anything other than 4k to have a 13.7FPS
Without VRAM it does.
The whole point is demonstration of it's ability to address the space outside of VRAM with massive latencies but at least it can work at all, unlike Quadro or whatever

>>60453410
is this the revival of the gtx970?

>>60453601
Yeah, like 3,5+5 but more like 16 + 256000

>>60453410
That's what Radeon Pro SSG is for. You're confusing them. HBCC is for games and probably some HSA trickery in the future but not now.

>AMD also went on to show how HBCC seemingly halves memory requirements, by deliberately capping the amount of addressable memory on the HBCC-aware system to only 2 GB - half of the 4 GB addressable by the non-HBCC-aware system, while claiming that even so, the HBCC-enabled system still showed "the same or better performance" through its better memory management and bandwidth speeds.

They're on record saying HBCC will offer the same or better performance as non-HBCC system with twice the memory. It's definitely not made for Pixar and Big Data because even 16GB x2 is a measly 32GB. The massive addressable virtual memory space is just how it works, not the kind of performance it'll offer.
https://www.techpowerup.com/231093/amd-vega-high-bandwidth-cache-controller-improves-minimum-and-average-fps

>>60453568
>even the 580 is giving the nvidia idoits a red face on price alone lol.
580 is basically a 480 pushed to its max. A comparison would be the 1060 SSC, which beats it in most games and costs $250. Most 580's are around $250 as well.

>>60449146
they still say its "intended for professionals" they talk out of both sides of their mouth

when jaz2cent was doing to TC build nivida was giving him crap saying " its not a gaming card its intended for professionals"

>>60454067
> 1060 SSC
In that case you would need a RX 580SSC to compete
the 580 is not at its max its just very close to max
there is not that many 480's that can match a 580 even at OC
but as you say they are the same poliris arch card but then again the 1060 is just a boosted 970 with more vram that too is the same GPU.

I don't think you understand tech.
Price wise a basic MSI 580 is cheaper then the MSI 1060

>>60453568
Literally every single point you made in this post is wrong, impressive.

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>>60450108
>>60449686
>>60449629
Shouldn't you have stopped posting a while ago?

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>>60454067
EVGA 1060 SSC - $250
Gigabyte 580 8 GB - $220
Gigabyte 580 4 GB - $200

Not a very good comparison. Also, see pic related.

>>60450901
Natural Monopolies don't need to split, Intel and Nvidia would become sole overlords

>>60448747
Compare across the same brand senpai
>Fiji scores 73 in catia and 46.5 in solidworks
>Vega scores 135.8 in catia and 114.9 in solidworks
>57% increase and 147% increase off a 50% increase in clockspeed

>>60455082
The main reason Intel needs AMD is because to sell something to the government/military you need competition, which is why they licensed x86 in the first place. Nvidia probably wouldn't care as much if AMD folded though.

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>>60454798
I'd like you to prove me wrong

>>60450901
You're dumber than dogshit. AMD dying means x86 dies with it. It signals to anyone watching that the x86 market has gotten so small, crappy, etc. that there's not even room for one other competitor. Investors will flee like rats on a sinking ship. Intel is already losing ground to ARM in the server market, and completely lost mobile markets already. Even Microsoft is trying full fledged Windows on ARM. NVidia will just pull up the carpet, say "Seeya" and go fuck off to high end land, never to be seen again. Or they would start charging $400 for a mid-range GPU. They don't even need x86 to survive. From there, it would only be a matter of time before x86 is relegated to businesses and govt.

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>>60455292
>Of course, these numbers are supplied by AMD, and it's possible that they've been cherry-picked to present an overly positive picture.

>http://techreport.com/news/28501/here-a-first-look-at-the-radeon-r9-fury-x-performance

This shit is from AMD...

>>60455292
Oh boy, years after it was released, we finally get those magical drivers AMD promised us that would fix the Fury X performance. too bad it got all the negative release on launch and nobody bought one or a 390X. AMD's issue is the "Just Wait" philosohy doesn't work with GPU's The 970 and 960 are two of the most popular cards on Steam. Maybe AMD came out with something with better price to performance., but no one cared. AMD cards have very little marketshare outside of OEM shit and people just using them for Bitcoin mininh. Hell, more people use Intel's iGPU than most AMD cards. AMD has lost the gayming GPU war. It doesn't matter how good their cards are, it doesn't matter what the price to performance is, AMD simply cannot compete with Nvidia. It's sda but tru. AMD could come out with a Vega GPU that beats the 1080Ti and no one would buy it except for die hard AMD fanboys.

>>60448747
And AMD cretins will try to defend it by bringing "PRICE" into this even tho it has been shown countless fucking times that big names don't care about performance per dolla and they usually vomit as much money as possible on THE BEST solution.

Sorry AMD your CPU year is nice but your GPU year will be dog shit at best. At least you got your stupid shills trying to defend you brainlessly.

>>60455371
>Hell, more people use Intel's iGPU than most AMD cards
If you're talking about Steam stats, that's because of a zillion poorfags and their laptops.

>>60455338
>Fury X wins on all benches
ok

>>60455399
>even tho it has been shown countless fucking times that big names don't care about performance per dolla and they usually vomit as much money as possible on THE BEST solution.
The 1080 and 1080 ti are not big sellers like you claim.

>>60455371
bitcoin miners don't show up on steamstats

>>60455338
Oh but please. Show us more cherry picked crap and tell us how legeet the stupid AMD cards are compared to Nvidia.

>>60448747
not surprising

AMD is a CPU company

>>60449713
>$799
>for 16 GB of HBM2

Are you high?

>>60448747
>P6000 costs $5,000
It's probably going to be $1,000-$1,500. Maybe double that on the outside.

>>60455426
The 1080 outsold the 480.

>>60455508
That has everything to do with AMD's brand and reputation being in the shitter. Nvidia's other cards outsold it by a mile.

>>60455292
These benches was from AMD fucktard, the Fury X was slower than the 980ti.

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>>60448747

We waited for this

>>60455508
Not even tomsshillware reccomending AMD cards can make them sell. People just buy Nvidia anyway. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gpus,4380.html

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>>60455529
wait™

>>60455426
I'm talking specifically about companies that require gpus such as Tesla GPUs or creators like Deadmau5 who need iray rendering and get many GP100s for example. These 2 categories of customers will NOT move to AMD seeing these numbers. "Oh 1TB of storage to be used as a very slow L4 cache. My render time won't be who knows what but let's go!"

The 1080 and 1080 Ti are aimed at GAYmers, bro. They are good for something like Premiere but a lot of the guys who get their hands on one of those will mostly run minecraft or any other crappy triple A title. Creators aim for the quadro cards for a reason that doesn't imply stupid things such as "NAMES" or "PRICES" but actual utility in specific software.

>>60455522
In fairness, they were very similar in speed at launch.

>>60450901
The feds don't break up large companies anymore.

>>60455575
It's hard to reccomend AMD prosumer cards because CUDA just rekts OpenCL.

>>60455497
Could be useful but only for very specific workloads that require high bandwidth memory, else, it's just a fancy new name for "RAM" that makes your average Joe get a stiffie.

>>60455503
Most probably but as I said earlier, people will want top notch performers. Big names won't look at AMD just because, they'll get the best in the industry because the gap isn't that big, especially if you're a wealthy company.

>>60455508
And that's quite ironic how RX 480 is aimed at people with tight budgets but who still want 1080P gaming, while the 1080 is aimed at people who want 4K ready gaming capabilities.

>>60455529
>>60455571
And everyone said "wait" and oh boy people got a good laugh out of this. Oh well. It might be good for those who have a mental issue with price per dollar.

>guys guys ryzen is going to btfo intel.
Woops it sucks
>guys guys vega is going to btfo nividia
Woops it sucks
Welcome to neo /v/ 2.0

The closer we get to launch the more it looks like Vega is just 14nm Fiji, bottlenecks and all

AMD made a huge deal about how they made all these improvements to GCN and how Vega is radically different

They haven't done shit. Polaris was an overhyped turd and all the efficiency improvements were just from the new process.

Raja Koduri is a snake oil salesman, plain and simple.

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>>60455338
lol its still slow though.

meanwhile in real life nvidia has its 1070 ,1080 and 1080ti because nothing is competing with it.
But wait why is that founders edition 1060 at the bottom?

>>60448897
This, it's fury x vs 980ti all over again, just let's hope amd prices it right this time

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WTF we waited™ !!!

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR TIME

>>60455702
>Ryzen sucks
That's an absurd lie, and you know it. Ryzen has reduced Intel to 2 skus on the consumer desktop.

>Vega sucks
No one knows yet, and won't until it's released. All the usual shitposters are just getting in their shitposting NOW while there is no way to prove what Vega's performance actually is, just in case Vega actually turns out decent and they won't be able to shitpost about it after launch.

Front-running the launch this hard shows the Jewvidia shills are actually worried.

>>60455751

And you came to that conclusion based on...?

>>60455826
Front-running the release to get their shitposting in before they can be any evidence to use against them.

>>60455317
>AMD dying means x86 dies with it.
Sounds like win-win, then.

>Intel is already losing ground to ARM in the server market, and completely lost mobile markets already. Even Microsoft is trying full fledged Windows on ARM.
Which makes the K12 doubly interesting, doesn't it?

Kinda unrelated but this is fucking funny. Idiots flashing reference RX480's to RX580's = house fires :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjYBdDCQqSw&t=0s

>>60455849

They're obviously scared.

If Vega turns in to a Ryzen situation all of a sudden, AMD is not only resurgent, they are competing against some very hefty, very well funded competition.

>>60455821
>Front-running the launch this hard shows the Jewvidia shills are actually worried.
AMD GPU's don't sell regardless of power or price to performance. AMD has essentially lost the GPU battle, people only want competition so Nvidia will have to lower prices.

>>60455878
>Sounds like win-win, then.
Ok, you can take your juvenile "heehee I want to see the world burn" attitude back to middleschool.
>>60455751
That's not what we've seen at all based on footage so far.

>>60455907
Yeah, it's definitely a marketing and reputation problem on AMD's part. Intel and Nvidia just run circles around AMD in this regard.

>>60455901
I personally don't care just as long as Vega is fast enough to allow 1800x vs 7700k benches where the 1800x won't be bottlenecked by Nvidia's drivers while precluding the kiketel shills from claiming a GPU bottleneck. ~1080 performance would be enough for that, and it will show what Ryzen is actually capable of in DX12/Vulkan when not bottlenecked by poorly threaded Nvidia drivers.

>>60455907
I don't care how well they sell. If they deliver reasonable performance in benchmarks that alone will really hurt the Jewvidia shills shitposting, which has become insanely excessive lately.

>>60455821
Well most people here a gaymers and ryzen is good for office work and multitask shit 3D stuff

>>60455953

If it's not 1080ti beating it's a failure.

>>60455987
Ryzen is the best choice unless you're a gaymur and you're going to put down the cash for a 7700k. The Ryzen 5 1600 comes within a few fps of the 7600k at a lower price, and I'll take a 3fps average drop for a more stable frame rate.

>>60455945
marketing means you have money if you don't have any you can't market anything.

AMD isn't even profitable yet lel.

But Nvidia idoits woun't AMD to be profitable even if it doesn't effect them anyway.
Bunch of retards they are.

we need both companies for consumers to get a good deal.

>>60455976
>which has become insanely excessive lately
Are you joking? /g/ has basically been /r/AMD for a couple of years now, at least since Ryzen was first announced. Pretty much every post on /g/ now is blatantly shilling for AMD while calling anyone else an Nvidia or Intel shill. The only place worse than /g/ is probably Digital Foundry Youtube comment section, where almost all of the posts are zealous AMD fanboys.

>>60455615
not anymore
https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Source/Render/Cycles/OpenCL

>>60455991
>If it's not 1080ti beating it's a failure.
>aka if it can't even beat a high end gpu just fuck everything

But the thing is how many people buy that 1% market?
you are uniroically just being dumb.

>>60455987
Right now it's impossible to even tell whether the 7700k is faster than the 1800x and by how much in DX12 at 1080p and up because Nvidia's DX12 drivers bottleneck Ryzen.

Now granted for DX11 gaming at 1080p at high refresh rates the 7700k is probably the better choice if you care ONLY about gayming.

>>60455497
They need a big reason to consider moving from nvidia to AMD when they haven't been in the machine learning game, price could be a huge factor

>>60456058
Right, the dozens of daily crying wojack "POO POO POO" threads are being started by AMD fans. Makes sense.

>>60455991
If it'll do 4k 60fps in most or all games on high/ultra I'll call it a success.

>>60455915
>Ok, you can take your juvenile "heehee I want to see the world burn" attitude back to middleschool.
Just how is x86 being replaced by ARM a bad thing?

>>60455991
If you are interested in a 4k @ 60hz card then yes. I don't care, I'm not even much of a gaymur, I only care to see what happens to Ryzen's DX12 performance at 1080p and above.

>>60456132
ARM doesn't scale well past 10W. For mobile users and low power netbooks it's fine, but for even moderate workloads x86 is the superior option.

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FUCK YOU RAJJJ

WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKK I'VE BEEN WAITING ALMOST HALF A YEAR FOR VEGA I ALMSOT BOUGHT THE FURY X BUT /G/ TOLD ME TO WAIT FOR VEGA AND NOW ITS ALMOST SUMMER AND YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME TO WAIT EVEN MORE FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

IM BUYING A 1080 TI TOMORROW FUCK YOU AND AN I9 EVEN THOUGH I WAS GONNA GET RYZEN TO SUPPORT YOUR POOR POO IN THE LOO ASSES NOT ANYMORE

IM TIRED OF WAITING I WANT TO PLAY MY GAMES AT 4K NOWWWWWWWW

RRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>60454990
>the 480 is now slower than the 1060 again

So much for finewine technologies. The 580 8gb is like a tenner more on pcpp last time i checked. Not worth it compared to the 1060. The 480 and 1060 are the same price. The 1060 is just the better deal outside of amerilard land. Now we all know why everyone buys Nvidia instead. They're cheaper for slavs and Asians.

>>60456168
fuckoff gaymer

If they had compared it to the quadro
>amd not showing gaming benches vega is doa!

>>60456102
But ry few people actually overclock their 7700K according to a sample Microsoft took of 500,000 users. The average overclock was 5% by a tiny percentage of people. Those overclocking 4.8Ghz and above were miniscule. At stock clock speeds the Ryzen CPU's match Intel CPU's and exceed them in other areas plus as multi-threaded games are becoming more relevant now it's only going to improve for Ryzen. Recommending a 7700K for gaming is not really a good thing going forward. Maybe if you like playing older games with more focus on single threading and like to overclock perhaps. 'Overall' cost is also a factor.

>>60456297
>ry = very

Vega vs 1080ti will be like HD 7970 vs gtx 680.

680 will be slightly better in the beginning and then get blown the fuck out later on.

>>60456297
b-but muh 5.2 GHz stable ..

>>60456207
You can check right here.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=373,391&sort=a8&page=1

580 8 GB $221
1060 6 GB $235

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=373,391&sort=a8&page=1

580 8 GB $317
1060 6 GB $328

Prices in other regions are always going to be different. At least in America and Canada you're getting more for less with the 580.

The APU is a the biggest failure tho
> Only 4c/8t, so no multi-core advantage like the desktop Ryzen
> Vega graphics only 40% faster than the A10
> Literally will compete with a 3 year old mobile quad-core i7 with Iris Pro graphics
I expected more of Vega overall

>>60456627
APUs will still be great in laptops if you don't want to get something with discrete GPU. And on desktops, they're meant to compete with low-end CPU+GPU combos, mostly on price.

>>60456627
>>60456696
I think the issue is cutting down GCN enough to fit within the thermal envelope.

>>60456164
>ARM doesn't scale well past 10W.
That's just the current implementation, I'm talking about the ISA.

That's why I'm excited about the K12.

>>60456365
>just wait

Lmao

>>60456627
>tfw no 2c4t+full Polaris 10 sharing a 160W power envelope

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>>60456627
>Only 4c/8t, so no multi-core advantage like the desktop Ryzen
Yah, unlike those laptop i3/i5/i7 series right? Those 2c/4t "i7"

>>60456089

A year later and they can't beat Pascal, and Koduri needs to lose his fucking job.

ROCm is moving WAY too slow to be taken seriously, they are getting blown the fuck out in machine learning, so much so they don't even have a chip capable of competing.

If their bread and butter in gaming can't beat a 1080ti, what the fuck is the point of Radeon Technologies Group?

>>60457011
Maybe if it's considerably cheaper than the mobile quad-core i7's, it might be a good chip, killing those 2 core pieces of crap.

If it's expensive shit tho, it's doa. It WON'T perform better than the quad-core i7's

>>60457060

It doesn't need to be considerably cheaper. It's more power efficient, it has a better iGPU, and runs extremely cool.

>>60457098
>and runs extremely cool
kek, do you really think that when the GPU is stressed, that shit won't throttle like a bitch? Polaris is literally firehouse, so I doubt Vega will be different.

>>60457140

Grown ups are talking child.

>>60457161
Nice arguments, faggot!

>>60457204

Present some serious discussion and we won't have to destroy you on an emotional level, child.

>>60457060
35W worth of quad core Zen is going to be significantly faster than 35W of quad core Kaby Lake.

>>60448880

I really don't understand the fanboyism in America. If your customers would realize that competition is better for everyone, you wouldn't spend so much energy fighting each other.

>>60449321
why the fuck they're comparing 7100, which is basically downclocked 480, with p6000, that cost about 10 times more?

>>60448747
Vega fe is going up against titan xp not quadro. The mi cards are the ones going up againts quadro.

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>>60457384
>>>>>

>>60457423
This shit is older than you, kid.

>>60457411
>mi cards are the ones going up againts quadro.

Geforce vs Radeon
Frontier vs Quadro
Instinct vs Tesla

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Well, we are waiting

>>60457446
>Frontier vs Quadro
I thought frontier is a buzzword like founders edition?

>>60457446
Frontier is radeon tho

>>60457487
Quadro are Geforce tho

>>60457487
It's the pro version of the Radeons, MIx/Tesla are compute GPU

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>>60457497
dammit
>>60457519

>>60457519
Yes, and? I'm talking about frontier being marketing buzzword like geforce founders edition.

>>60457519
Radeon Pro is the Pro version of the Radeons.

>>60457541
No, only the bi GPUs

>>60457558
They are pro duo. Generic pro cards are radeon pro.

>>60457339
Nooooot really, that Vega chip will be pretty power hungry

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>>60457574
The Pro Duo don't have the (((pro drivers)))

>>60457592
Another pro duo, with 2 480 that was announced recently.

>>60457591
[source]

>>60456220
What the fuck do you use your graphics card for. Fucking pleb

>>60457957
Video production. It gets me a six figure income and a steady supply of asian pussy.

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>>60448747

>tfw GPU tech is advancing faster than games that require them are being produced

>>60459379
Well at this point it's getting into 4K that's the big leap.

Sure, the 1080ti and Vega can do some games at 4K/60, but higher refresh rates would be great, and also, being right at the edge of 4K/60 will fuck people over later when games actually start to use newer tech and they can't run their games at 4K reliably anymore.

Games that are at the very top in the graphics department look incredible already, but some of the issues lie with textures and LoD limits. The graphics can be made, but nothing can really run it at this point.

Although I also hope that games will become more optimized like Doom so that it won't be an issue. Hopefully HBM2 will alleviate some of this as well.

>>60459444
144hz is for neckbeards
Normies only care about 60hz 4K

>>60459467
>He doesn't know that every single kiddo that plays FPS games wants a 144hz monitor

They are super popular for a reason. However, even if you forget the higher refresh rates, they still need to improve performance at 4K to make game run better.

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>/r/amd poojet force are at full damage control and goal posts moving
Not that expected much from paid poojets and retarded amd fanboys.

>>60448747
>currytech
lol

>>60449012
Only the original Titan was a prosumer card, everything that followed was purely a gaming card with fancy marketing

CAD programs aren't the main market for the latest pro gpus. All the money is coming from GPU compute such as AI, 3d raytracing and physics simulations. AMD said at their investor presentation something like 66% of GPU profits come from those uses while they only consume 15% of sales volume.

You're going to find that most future GPUs are developed for compute first graphics second.

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>>60459902
>AMD said at their investor presentation something like 66% of GPU profits come from those uses while they only consume 15% of sales volume.
They were talking about HEDT/Workstation in general.

its not DOA, its just DO.

the motherfucker isnt even out yet because AMD went full retard again with the HBM.

i forsee its another fury X situation where it wont beat the 1080ti, just like last time with the 980ti.

i hope i am wrong tho. since my 290x is 3 months from being outdated.

Vega is well past due but will deliver

>>60456728
The GCN in Xbox Scorpio bumped it over 7B transistors.

Any power consumption charts?

>>60456557
Tenner = £10. Amd global pricing outside of the USA is a fucking joke.

>>60462653
Actually I was wrong. The cheapest 1060 6gb is £196 and the cheapest 580 8gb is £224. Fuck amd and this pricing. Absolute cancer.

RX Vega confirmed for the end of next month not dec

who cares?
price, features, performance, reliability, longevity
these are things that cognitively normal people care about

take your autistic meme wars back to plebbit

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>>60448747
>heterogeneous computing

Vega delays due to Hyinx HBM2 shitty yields confirmed http://wccftech.com/amd-lower-priced-gaming-optimized-radeon-rx-vega-coming/

>Hynix originally planned to ship HBM2 in Q3 2016 but it was pushed back a quarter in every update since then. The company initially planned to introduce two HBM2 products, rated at 2.0Gbps and 1.6Gbps. Overtime, the 2.0Gbps product was ostensibly scrapped in favor of the slower memory, likely because of yield/cost challenges.

>According to the latest update from Hynix, HBM2 is still not available right now but is expected to begin shipping some time in Q2 2017. Memory products that Hynix is shipping right now are marked “Now” under the availability column. Products not currently shipping have a quarterly based estimated shipping time-frame instead. This is is why HBM2’s availability is stated as “Q2’17” rather than “Now”

>>60462361
2x8 pin

>>60463039
Or they Just Waited™ for 8-hi stacks.

>>60448747

Who cares what is the price/performance?

I dont need top of the line for games no one does. VR is a meme right now and Ive been running 4k without issues since the 900 series.

Do they have a card that works for most gamers?

>>60449513

I love how jews go back and forth pretending they are white or not white.

>>60449517

This Nvidia has been doubling down and doubling down.

>>60449549
Intel wanted in on the mobile end of things. They pushed for low power and efficient energy use. They failed to beat out arm and they failed with their nook shit.

Though their onboard graphics has gotten really good. Running security cameras on a 4k screen right now with their newest line.

Still they have had 0 dollars in R&D for better clocks and more power. So AMD caught up a bit. Everyone assumed Intel had something they kept for just this situation but looking through their expensive as fuck enterprise chips they do not have much of a plan for higher clock speeds.

>>60448747
I have already said this before and I will say it again: Vega won't touch a 1080 and I bet a 1070 can take it on just fine.

Anyone believing these amd marketers that flood this board is utterly insane. They always promise everything and amd delivers nothing.

>>60449517
>Nvidia has been aggressively pushing into deep learning market
Eh, so aggresively they are killing GV100 yields to try to pointlessly compete against Tensor ASICs. Aka they went full retard. Never go full retard.

>>60465023
>They always promise everything and amd delivers nothing.
R700, Evergreen, Tahiti and Hawaii are nothing? Polaris was also nice and Zen is simply godlike. Also new memory types.

>>60465023
>Source: My burning hatred for AMD, also, my ass.

>>60459467
>>60459525

4k everything is fine. And fps is weird most of them optimize the fuck out of the game to make it fast. And they want lots of people playing so they tend not to push the graphics as much. Some do. But most popular esport shit wont because they want a big audience. Since player ones might but everyone wants those online pack sheckles these days.

>>60465023
again, try harder mate.

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>>60448747

>currytech

0/10 and into the trash it goes!

>>60448747
>It's strange that they don't compare their consumer card to professional grade cards!
It's almost like, they have Radeon Pro SSG.

damn, here's hoping that it costs less than a 1080ti so that I can upgrade from my fury x to the top-end vega

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>>60449375
At least use the new Vega logo or the new Radeon badge

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>>60456058
this.
/g/ the the kaaba for amd shills

>>60451519
Nowhere in that screen cap or on the actual Xp page does it say professional...

>>60465023

you are using Fury X as an example. because thats the only time they promised more than they delivered.

290x was a fucking beast and still to this day is close to a 1060 overclocked.

7970 was a fucking king in its time.

so was the 5870.

Also right now Fury X beats 980ti/1070. So its still a viable option.

But i will say this. AMD are idiots when it comes to tech, why on earth would they bet on HBM2 if it actually doesnt bring that much performance to the table, why not just stick with gddr5x and release the card a year earlier.

>>60469183
>290x was a fucking beast and still to this day is close to a 1060 overclocked.

>close to a low end gpu
>good

>>60449305
>The benchmarks they showed yesterday put it in 1080ti/Titan X territory
which was what?

>>60469183
>290x was a fucking beast and still to this day is close to a 1060 overclocked
beats*
it's still faster than a 480x/580x

>>60469183
>Fury X beats 980ti/1070
ha

>>60455371
>The 970 and 960 are two of the most popular cards on Steam.
3.5
Do you also listen to the top songs of the year?
Popular =/= good

>>60469183
>why on earth would they bet on HBM2 if it actually doesnt bring that much performance to the table
power savings
if they're targeting the machine learning market they'll want to offer better perf/watt than competition

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>>60469486
>mfw, amd dominates the 3D memory/processor market due to being autistic with wattage use.

>>60469506
meanwhile in the real world nvidia stomps them on all markets

>>60469530
you won the battle but lost the war my nigger friend.

>>60469559
>this is what poojets actually believe

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>>60469183
>Also right now Fury X beats 980ti/1070.
When will this meme end

>>60469663
>dumb nigger doesnt understand the future of computing
no surprise there.

>>60449022
naw that was on ultra

>>60469746
It's ok poojet. Rupees have been dispensed on your designated street.

>>60469730
Poojets are dumb delusional retards. News at 11.

>>60469774
at least I get paid unlike your welfare nigger ass.

>>60470221

>>60470221