BSD And Other Things

Why should I switch to BSD?

>>60438844
Because you love unix.

>>60438844
Because you want to.

How comfortable will I be as a windows user with the switch. What version of BSD would best suit my needs/match my windows experience.

When did the mascot get nigger lips?

>>60438667
Just switch to linux already

>>60439078
I've already switched from Linux, no interest in going back.

>>60438667
A few questions

In terms of stability, is it solid? Does it still have that ToyOS feel that a lot of distros have?

Is the ports system good enough & does it supply a lot of the same software (i.e. shit like VSCode, regular web browsers, DEs, wine, that can be installed through terminal).

I understand that macOS is "kind of" built on BSD, and seems to be very solid. Would I be afforded a similar reliable experience rather than what I would get on Linux?

Also is Wayland getting any traction on BSD? Or is Xorg the de facto for the foreseeable future?

>>60439071
It's a blowfish retard

>>60439071
>>60439161
Its actually a furfag caricature of P.Diddy, a famous homosexual black man.

>>60439177
hehehe

>>60439147

Stay away from BSD, your kind aren't welcome.

>>60439177
Thread's over, the shitposter found it

>>60439220
Dang, I feel so excluded

>>60439220
damn the shitposter has multiple dimensions, he falseflags as BSD users too!
>>60439147
i use openbsd and it doesn't have wine because it's pretty much a band-aid solution

ports have a lot of open source software though

>>60439374
Wine doesn't work on OpenBSD because OpenBSD developers don't support anything lol.

>>60439433
Wine doesn't work on OpenBSD for the same reason they dropped the Linux compat layer, they're interested in making native software run well, not software for other operating systems.

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>>60439453
Why are you replying to !BE/4wes0mE and not just telling him to fuck off and kill himself.

>>60439220
What the frick? Wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

>>60439475
I've already declared him to be a shitposter, now I'm just pointing out why he's wrong.

>>60439489
I'm not wrong, almost nobody actually contributes for free to OpenBSD.

They pay people to keep it functional so any kind of community support for projects like Wine is obviously going to be non-existent.

>>60439433
Lmfao, BSD btfo

Any audiophiles that use BSD?

Is it handy to use for high fidelity audio playback?

>>60439533
Audiophiles? No. Pedophiles? Most definitely.

>>60439518
Why don't you go get laid or something instead of wasting your time shitting on things you don't like? Oh that's right, you're scared of girls.

>>60439533
i heard openbsd has a surprisingly advanced audio subsystem

>>60439589
It doesn't, it uses OSS, which Linux dropped years ago when it couldn't keep up with hardware support.

>>60438667
No games

>>60439612
epik meme

>>60439628
>implying

>>60439612
well emulators exist

>>60439649
can't play overwatch

>>60439635
>pointless greentext

>>60439669
more like overtrash

play quake

>>60439683
I play both

>>60439683
Overwatch is superior to Quake in every conceivable aspect

>>60439708
>>60439711
is overwatch free software though

>>60439722
No it costs around $60

>>60439722
most free softwares are trash anyway

>>60439589
it does

>comparing overwatch to OpenBSD
>you should just axe your head in two

>>60439748
Nobody gives a shit.

>>60439748
Nobody cares lol

>>60439772
>>60439774
I give a shit, sorry famalams

/fglt/ trolls get the FUCK OUT OF HERE. STOP trying to derail this thread!

>>60439748
all media is politicized. if your looking to get anything out of it besides a good time you need to reevaluate your approach, if you actually give a shit and don't just bitchpost

>>60439779
You forgot your trip.

>>60439792
what a trip m8?

>>60439833
Heh heh, good one BE Awesome

>>60439785
I object to forced equality bullshit in multimedia because I believe its harmful to creativity and results directly in a sub-par product.

>>60439867
>forced equality bullshit
what does this even man?

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>>60439867

>>60439147
BSD is incredibly solid. It might give you a toy os feel if you never used proprietary Unix back in the day, because it doesn't have modern app stores and control panels with ties deep into the system like ubuntu, suse or other big linuxes. Think of it like getting an industrial CNC router, vs prebuilt fancy 3d printer. It expects you know what you're doing, doesn't tack on features only helpful for the rank amateur, and doesn't get on the cover of pc magazine. But it does give you an incredibly powerful and robust tool that handles way more work.

Also, OSX may have started with some basis in BSD, but it's as close to Free/Open/NetBSD as the latest Android is to Fedora desktop.

>>60439883
sex parity for the sake of sex parity for example.
It's mostly bullshit if there is no reason for it

>>60439914
lets part ways

>>60439914
Lol what

>>60439914
No man. Parity is important. You have to know if the other end has it or not. Gender changers and voltage shifters can fix a lot of issues, and baud rate you can guess at pretty well, but parity and stop bits you need to know going in.

>>60439934
please /part

>using le corporate open source os

>>60440032
What if uh, the devs, gee idk, added female characters because, they just wanted to? And why do you even care, what are you, gay?

>>60440049
It isn't a hard concept to understand. Read it again in a decade or so and maybe you will get it.

>>60440078
You seem to be having trouble understanding.

>>60440045
>proceeds to use redhat and derivatives

>>60440101
I understood you but it didn't have anything to do with what I was talking about.

>>60440116
You were talking complaining about "forced" sex disparity in a video game, for some reason. You still haven't answered why you can care, or why it matters, in the context of video games, specifically Overwatch.

>>60440045
>shitposting

>>60440049
>>60440193
Well he is afraid of girls

>>60440193
No I wasn't.

>>60440240
>The forced political equality bullshit made me not even want to try it.

>>60440240
>>60440193
>>>/v/

>>60440253
What does that have to do with you complaining about women in a video game, and then backtracking and saying you weren't, and then getting proven wrong?

>>60440316
There is no obesity, only THICCness

>>60440330
In the Aladdin movies, Jasmine is made progressively uglier in each sequel because they felt that her appearance was making girls insecure.

I'm basically saying that the motivation for changes like this is basically censorship.

>>60440398
Yeah but when coming back to Overwatch, where the focus is multiplayer (not a nonexistent story), why boycott it? I mean exactly is the problem?

>>60440422
I just decided not to purchase it, combination of reasons really, the lack of the free to play option when they had said it may be, the high system requirements, and later when I did have the hardware to play it, the comics and promotions were sjw shit and turned me off of the game.

I wasn't convinced Blizzard could make a good FPS game anyway.

>>60439035
I used to recommend PC-BSD but since it became TrueOS the default desktop environment is really offputting. I would recommend FreeBSD, it will be a little tougher initially but it will give you a fantastic understanding of Unix in general. It also has decent driver support, arguably the best of all BSDs.

I have been using FreeBSD full time for just over 10 months so let me know if you have any questions.

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>tfw love BSD with a passion but it doesnt support any of my hardware
>tfw too poor to buy new hardware

I guess I'll keep using Void linux then :\ at least its on the BSD license so that counts for something right?

What's the state of openbsd's vmm these days, I heard the other day it can boot a linux kernel.

>>60438667
I downloaded a freebsd iso and it doesnt seem to be bootable. How can i install it with a usb?

>>60440471
Oh, I thought it's because you are afraid of girls, lol

>>60440521
gotta get the memstick .img

also checksum it. that download server is notorious for corrupt images.

>>60440521
The iso's for optical media, you want the img

>>60439147
>Wayland

As far as I know, only OpenBSD allows you to run X11 totally non priv'd, so long as you have an AMD or Intel vidjya card. So you effectively get the Wayland security but are stuck with the ancient X11 features (not that I care, my desktop just execs emacs, you may care tho)

>>60440521
dd if=/file/to/your/iso of=/dev/sdX #be sure to identify the drive

Also play around with the blocksize vor the speed; bs=4096 gives breddy gud results with my disk and zip disquettes

>>60440543
You don't know very far then.

>>60440561
FreeBSD has no priv X11? since when?

>>60440561
Fuck you

>>60440538
I also tried that but my only available machine is a windows xp machine and it BSODs every time it finishes the media.

I will try to install linux and then write the img on USB

>>60439035
GhostBSD is an excellent place to start.

>>60439147

>wayland

More like gayland stick to fedora if you want non Unix me too features.

Does openbsd/freebsd support skylake graphics yet? Any ETA on when they will?

>>60440974
i think dragonfly does

Why the fuck is this /v/ and /r9k/ faggots obsessed with girls in a videogame?

>>60441022
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>60440982
That's sort of neat. I haven't checked up on Dragonfly since HAMMER2, is it actually usable in a cluster environment at the moment?

Will FreeBSD work with open source Intel wifi firmware.

>>60441069
You're going to have to be more specific than that.

>>60441026
Scroll up.

>>60440504
If you're willing to be patient FreeBSD is making some (slow) moves to start to catch up in the graphics driver support re: Linux in the not so distant future. Being patient sucks though so I don't blame you. I'm mostly in the same boat.

Just switch from gentoo to OpenBSD recently
never go back

>>60441111
OpenBSD is great. It's like hardened except not understaffed and pointlessly cumbersome. Hardening an unaudited codebase makes very little sense.

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>>60441164
>Hardening an unaudited codebase makes very little sense.

>>60441101

NVIDIA non-free driver is current in freebsd.

>>60439608
You're thinking of FreeBSD.

Also its OSS is leagues better than OSS on Linux anyway.

In short, fuck off.

what is an actual reason to use BSD over linux?

>>60441730
muh sekret klub

>>60441730
you are tired of being a GNU/Sissy

>>60441730
Use an even more obscure OS

>>60441730
You prefer it.

will freebsd run without issue on a 2012 macbook pro

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>>60438667
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>60442023
xD

>>60442023
No, it's just Linux.

>>60441730
It's simpler than most Linux distros.

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Will my hardware support FreeBSD 11? I'd love to use it with GNOME-Wayland or Cinnamon

>>60439453
>making native software run well,
>wine and linux compatibility layer isn't native
It was about muh security as usual, but forking less was important.

Pretty sure this thread gets started by either BePawsome or Dr. Shill, just so they can shit it up in the hopes of becoming more famous.

Why do you guys reply to them, again? Low-effort trolling and baiting doesn't make for good threads.

>>60439608
>It doesn't, it uses OSS, which Linux dropped years ago when it couldn't keep up with hardware support.
FreeBSD sound support is actually superior to Linux so go fuck yourself with your FUD

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>cuck license

>>60442305
You might have trouble with that radeon hardware and having to live without your beloved pötteringd.

How much of a meme is Dragonfly? I was thinking of trying out BSD but all the main ones' mascots are too ugly.

>>60445078
What? Only OpenBSD has a mascot. FreeBSD has the orb and NetBSD has the flag for logos.

I used to run OpenBSD on a lappy for years, the linux compat was OK and I guess it's not really needed any more Firefox runs pretty well on it and you can be sure that your whole system is free software. OpenBSD is great for any networking or internet service, very easy to setup with nice clean secure defaults.

FreeBSD makes a pretty good desktop although it can take some tinkering. The manual is really good and Linux compat/WINE is pretty comprehensive. If you have a lot of data, ZFS is peerless. Virtualbox runs on it nicely too.

>>60445139
Mascot, logo, same difference
Although now that you mention it I forgot about netbsd.

Anyway that's not the point. Is dragonfly a meme or is it actually good for daily use?

>>60442562
Windows and Linux software are not native.

>>60444479
>look mom I posted it again

>>60445175

Try it out in a vm.

Posting this from FreeBSD11. I had to reinstall this old PC recently it had been running Ubuntu since 7.10 but I wanted to switch to 64-bit so I thought I may as well give FreeBSD a run as I hadn't really touched it since the 5.x fuckups.

Anyway on this AM2 5600+ with 6GB it runs like a new machine, everything is so much snappier and even running crypted ZFS you hardly notice any penalty there mostly due to the caching.

I didn't have much trouble with it but I have been running OpenBSD on my own gear and at work since 2.6(!) so I'm not rusty on BSD semantics. It's nice to have PF on the desktop.

I'll keep Ubuntu on my laptop though, really nice there.

>>60441101
Well, it's actually wireless drivers for me. :/

The device is "supported" but the driver in the current release is bugged so it doesn't work.

>>60438844
Docs.

>>60438667
What's a BSD distro that's not a pain in the ass to install? I tried FreeBSD and it has the Rube Goldberg of graphical installers. Then it won't install desktop environments even though I followed the instructions perfectly. I even downloaded the Gnome source to a flash drive and tried to compile. Nothing but errors and hangs. I finally gave up. Then I tried GhostBSD. It live boots ok but the display isn't scaled right and I can't change it. The installer also crashes half way through and just tells me to view a log file. I try view it but it doesn't exist. I tried both on a ThinkPad T400 which uses super common hardware. Why is BSD such utter dogshit? It feels like it's about as advanced as GNU/Linux was in 1998. Fuck BSD.

>>60447922
PC-BSD aka TrueOS is the desktop oriented BSD.

>>60447922
Werks 4 me

>>60447922
>Then it won't install desktop environments. even though I followed the instructions perfectly
You're a retard who just jumped to the "Installing a DE" part in the manual. You actually have to do stuff from previous chapters in order for that to work. Read the whole manual retard, not only the part you care about.

>>60447922
> t. incapable idiots

freebsd bros does skylake drm in -current actually work now?

i know it had a lot of kernel panics last time i tried it out a while ago

Whats java support on freebsd like? Redhat (the company) are beingshit lately, would migrating to freebsd+jboss+java8 be feasible?

>>60454158
possibly, need a more specific usecase to say for sure

>>60454301
Use case is ~200 virtual servers running JBoss with corporatey back-office type web applications

>>60454860
you'll have to double check all the obvious compatibility stuff but id say yeah

>tfw firefox is faster and more responsive on freebsd than on arch

>>60439177
nice trip

What VM solutions does BSD offer

>>60457534

Freebsd has VirtualBox and bhyve as well as jails. Openbsd has a promising virtual environment in development.

>>60454860

Openjdk is native and oracle java works with Linux compatible from ports.

Any recommended resources for hardening BSD?

>>60458940
Install hardened gentoo.

It's funny how quickly this shill 愛してるさわこ !BE/4wes0mE comes up whenever FreeBSD is mentioned.

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>>60459112
I like this picture she drew

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>>60459140

>>60458940
OpenBSD is hardened by default. FreeBSD is a bit of a mess security wise.