/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>60430553
How much would it cost to build super small quiet super powerful pfsense router machine? I went to mix-match website it went over $700.

Building a pc for the first time but I want to double check the parts before buying, pls rate
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PRXCcc

Help I don't know where to stop

I want to run games at 4K at 120fps without starting fires, but I also don't want to spend more on my build than I need to (unless reliability is improved or RGB is added by doing so)

I want a beast that hums along comfortably at max settings on anything.

Am I good? Or is this too much

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/L7M8qk

my computers cheapest prices all came from newegg convientently

ordered yesterday, screen, graphics card, and case will be here tomorrow.

everything else will be here the day after.

thanks newegg for not jewing me out of 3 day shipping

>>60431511
screen is 1440p

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>receive 1060
>try to find good monitor
>see all the freesync choices
>feels regrets already

And I just came back from a traumatic AMD experience too, I was supposed to get Geforce and never look back, but that's how bad the Gsync situation is.

Which case should i go with:
NZXT Phantom 410
Fractal Design Define R5
Phanteks Enthoo Pro

My only issue is that I have a RX480 that is overheating on my current small atx case

>>60431511
>but I also don't want to spend more on my build than I need to
In that case i would personally go for an R5 1600 instead, it doesn't achieve as high framerates as the 7700k but it achieves 120fps well, and offers more performance overall (more headroom for programs open while gaming because of 6 cores 12 threads) which is a great tradeoff in my opinion
If you do get the R5 1600 then drop that cooler or get a $30 ~ $40 one, there really isn't any need to get any more than that unless you want to overclock really hard or something.
If you do not get it, drop the cooler to a $60 ~ $70 air one. High end air coolers perform very closely to high end AIOs, within 2 - 4°C, and cost much less. Getting an AIOs is generally overspending for little improvement.

also i think you are a little gay

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>>60431957
Can't tell you about the two others but my Fractal Design Define R5 has a lot of room both for airflow and 140mm fan, i put 5 in there
It also has a built-in fan controller (3 preset speed) so i can set the speed based on the need.

can someone please confirm that G4560 with intergrated Intel HD610 will be enough for browsing, watching streams, movies etc on 1080p monitor
please reply

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Question:

I've been looking for a nice monitor for a while, was hoping for 144hz + IPS, but that's so fucking expensive right now I'm not gonna drop $800 for it.

Anyone have any experience with https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Gaming-S2716DG-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B0149QBOF0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1494957148&sr=8-1&keywords=dell+s2716dg

It's a TN panel but it has everything else I'd want, for $480 burgerbucks.

Obviously for gaming

>>60431511
Why do you have so many hdd's and ssd's. For booting you just need 1 ssd and 3 3tb will last you a long time. Temps should be fine 7700k gets hot but with the large case and good cooling it will be fine. Personally I would never spend that much on a pc and there are other things you can take off such as the extra peripherals. But this should run every game at 120fps for the next 10 years

>>60431957
The R5 is a beast... but the thermals just aren't great because of the sound insulation. Which you can fix by opening up vents and adding MOAR FANZ, but if you're going to do that, no point in the R5.

>>60432010
If you aren't playing games that would be fine.

>>60432034
are you sure? i won't lag or stutter while doing this stuff? 8gb of ram also

How long until launch scarcity passes and ETH crashes so RX x70/x80 prices unfuck themselves?

>>60431175

Apparently this is for gaming but you're skimping on your GPU for some reason.

Try to get a 1070, especially if that means getting a cheaper mobo or dropping the extra case fans, or going with a single $150 monitor

I've heard only bad things about that mouse as well. If you really want an MMO mouse, the one by Corsair is supposed to be good

>>60432058
my lad i played the 3 crysis on a $50 G1840, 2c2t 2.8GHz
Yes, the G4560 is enough for what you said. It's great at it.

>>60430966
No. You lose the expensive 7700k that the 1050Ti was going to heavily bottleneck anyway, and that's over $100 saved that can go toward a decent sized SSD.

That way you can fit some of your gaymes on it and have their load times sped up too. Some games hiccup without an SSD, too.
Do you really actually need 3TB? You could probably fit a good deal of your games and such on a 500GB+ SSD.
But really, you could probably even get a 1TB SSD well within your 1K budget.

It's hard not to recommend a decent sized SSD now days. Being bottlenecked by a HDD sucks.

>>60432099
thank you for the reply, my friend. now i can do it with ease (will add 1050 ti later)

Do you guys think the new Ryzen GPUS are worth waiting for and will shake up the nvidia lineup?

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>>60432001

Moar drives! Moar spaghetti!

>>60431175
Looks good but single fan 1060's are retarded, get a proper 1060 or a 580

>>60432133
maybe, we don't know
we knew the Ryzen GPUs were good beforehand because we saw benchmarks live of a Ryzen CPU beating a $1100 6900k. For Vega, all we saw was a prototype card running on Fiji drivers (not fit for the architecture at all) beating the GTX 1070 slightly, so we don't know.

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>>60432165
you need to work on that cable management

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>>60431511
can you fuck off you stupid leaf

Is 2667 Mhz RAM for Ryzen ok? Is there any reason to buy 3000/3200 Mhz RAM when most AM4 boards run on lower frequencies anyway? I'm going to get R5 1600 and AsRock AB350M Pro4 or Gigabyte AB350M Gaming3.

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>>60432177
>we knew the Ryzen GPUs were good
>Ryzen GPUs
?

>>60432165

why do you have like 45 ssds

>>60432010
Yes. Perfectly fine. It's a great little CPU for what it is.

For newer games, it'll dip down to 30fps or even less at times, but for those things? It'll be a breeze.
It has dedicated video decoders and such that'll handle those videos.
You'll even be able to play a good deal of older or highly optimized games and older emulators like Dolphin with the iGPU.

It might make sense just waiting until Q4 or so to make your system to begin with so you could get Raven Ridge, if you were planning on adding a 1050Ti. Raven Ridge CPUs should be about twice as powerful as the G4560 while having an iGPU that's almost as powerful as the 1050Ti.

>>60432133
>Ryzen GPUs

>>60432207
For 60fps, ya 2666 is the sweet spot. Only need faster when you want the most FPS possible.

>>60431511
DONT LISTEN TO THE SHILLS BUY IT NOW BUY BUY BUY

>>60432228
i meant CPU
no bully

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can a GTX970 power 1440 QHD? around 144hz

>>60432193

I absolutely refuse. Cable management when fans are kept clear in an ATX case is a meme. I haven't got a window so it doesn't matter.

>>60432229

They are 2.5" mechanical drives salvaged from various places. If it wasn't for my CD drive i've got another 80gb (lol) HDD pulled out of an old work PC to use.

>>60432229
He has one dipshit, the rest are, what i'm assuming, old laptop drives.

>>60432241
and thank you too for the reply. can you please answer another question of mine? what combination is better: g4560+1050ti or i3 6100+1050ti (with the second i will be able to go mini-itx and this is good) price is almost the same

>>60432248
I'd just get Ryzen now and upgrade to 7nm or 7nm+ later.

No reason to wait for next year for whatever improvements when the year after that will be 7nm which'll be an even bigger upgrade.
Same motherboard and shit, and the CPUs are cheap, so why hold off 9+ months?

>>60432255
In CSGO yeah, but I think so can a 1050Ti.
If a 1080Ti can't consistently do 1440p 144fps at very-high/max, I don't know why you think a fucking 973.5 can.

>>60432255
no
too little vram and needs more powah

>>60432296
I think just getting raven ridge and using igpu will likely end up being better there.
Especially for a mini-itx, since you can just get a tiny htpc box with no room for a dGPU.
But if you need a PC right now, that's not an option.

i3-6100 is bad value. G4560 is like 97% the same perf for half the price. Though if you're in the USA, I think there is the i3-7100 on sale for $77 right now. Maybe you should buy that.

>>60432255
no

>tfw iommu on ryzen a shit
>tfw turns out KVM gaming introduces a lot of microstutter
>tfw rose won't be back until she's like 40 and still monogomously fucking nataroo

>>60432370
i can't wait anymore, sorry. it's now or never for me to buy a pc after years of shitty laptop suffering. no, i'm not from USA. i decided to buy g4560 without gpu and add 1050 ti a little later. good idea? i won't lag while browsing and watching stuff, right? sorry if i'm bothering you

>>60432177
>>60432228
Are you guys completely oblivious to r3 having integrated graphics? It's going to be an "APU".

>>60432418
>Ryzen GPU
If he meant APU, he should've meant Ryzen APU
It just looked like he meant Vega GPU right now

>tfw I'm going to spend more than 50 dollars at once for first time in my life.
I'm literally shaking lads.

>>60432514
what are you gonna buy anon

When do temps start going bad? I'm getting 68C-70C on my CPU and GPU while playing DOOM @200fps

>>60432406
Ya. Or some other cheap GPU that won't be bottlenecked by it. Go for the G4560.

No, you shouldn't lag while browsing. Though an SSD could help even there.

>>60432418
Uhh pretty sure it was confirmed already in the shareholder's meeting that the ones with APUs will be A# series chips and the GPU-less versions of those, 4cores per CCX, will be Athlons.

>>60432573
will buy an ssd too. thank you!

>>60432441
It did look like he was talking about Ryzen GPU... And no, if you specifically talk about the GPU in the APU, then it's still called a GPU.

"APU" units, or just units with integrated graphics, have a CPU section, and a GPU section.

>>60432547
What CPU & what GPU?
70°C is fine, even 75°C is. Above 80°C is when it starts getting worrying.
Also, it's rarely temperature that is degrading hardware's lifetime, but temperature shock

>>60432547
Ideal temps are 40c. Yours are a bit high. The most I let mine run before cleaning it out or apply8ng new paste is 60c. It won't do damage at the temps you have it at but I would see about lowering them. An extra fan or new thermal paste does a computer good

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>>60432514
Welcome to adulthood motherfocker.

>just spent $8,000 on a motorcycle & parts, now looking at a new computer build.

It's fun not being a NEET.

>>60432522
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fjC4kT
Ryzen 5 1600 and SSD tomorrow and rest of parts next week. Probably going to put it all together on 27/28th.

>>60432547
what cpu

>>60432591
ryzen 1600 w/ stock cooler
EVGA GTX 1070 SC
NZXT s340

>>60432610
I'd have gotten a bigger SSD. Rest is good.

>>60432632
Oh. Did they fix Ryzen to do 200fps in Doom? It had problems on launch in that game.

I still haven't played it. I'd like to, but don't have it and can't be bothered to buy it.

>>60432596
There are no "ideal" temps.
GPUs run more efficient as they get warmer.
CPUs really aren't affected by heat much, maybe if you're going really hot, but they really aren't going to be any less efficient or accurate above 60c than 40c.

So I've got a gtx980 from a few years ago, but I need a new monitor and I'd like to get something better than the average TN panel I have rn, maybe 1440p but definitely 144hz?

Would it be better to simply ebay the 980 and go ATI if I had a budget of ~$600?

It seems like you can get an rx580 for $250 and a decent FreeSync Montior for $350/400, compared to at least like 600$ for the gsync monitors

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Anyone have a good recommendation on a quiet aftermarket cooler for a locked intel CPU?

>>60432647
>I'd have gotten a bigger SSD.
I'm already slightly over budget. Besides I've never had more than 200 GB on my hdd at once.

>>60431511
>all that premium stuff
>Asus Z270-E

Sale

>http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600-3-2GHz-Six-Core-AM4-Processor-3-6GHz-Max-Turbo-Frequency-/272635262563
Ryzen 1600 $75 with coupon P20FINDYOURTECH on ebay

>http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Ryzen-5-1600X-6-Core-3-6GHz-Socket-AM4-95W-YD160XBCAEWOF-Desktop-Processor/272635263053
Same coupon for 1600X for $199

How is the stock cooler on the R5 1500X?

>>60432785
They're already sold out.

>>60432880
Are you planning to OC?

>>60432881
1700 is there for $287 still.
You can also find some other 1600s new from ebay sellers for $200, which ain't bad.

>>60432880
Same one as on the 1600. You can hit 3.9-4.0 with it, generally.

>>60432880
It's good, you should be able to clock to around 3.8ghz or something, assuming you have good airflow.

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>>60432654

>GPUs run more efficient as they get warmer.

I, too, disapprove of thermodynamics.

>>60432980
It's not the wraith spire though

>>60432610
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fjC4kT

You seem to have forgotten to add a copy of Genuine Microsoft Windows™!

>>60432994
You don't even know thermodynamics.
You're a retarded 16 year old who like to spout science names whenever you're told you're wrong.

Dual boot windows 7 and 10 and just windows 8?
Should I pay for any of them if I'm gonna actually work with them?

>>60433211
*or just Win8

>>60433211
>Should I pay for any of them if I'm gonna actually work with them?
No
Even if for some random reason you didn't manage to crack it, you can always keep it unactivated and everything will work except you won't be able to change the background & windows telling you "buy me plox" but that's about it, so you can always buy it down the line if you want

>>60432229
>45 ssds
I only see a single SSD in there.

>>60433231
You can keep using Windows 10 for unlimited time unactivated? Why isn't this shit in OP? I always thought there's 30 day trial period and after that you have to activate it or reinstall it.

>tfw 2500K/HD7850
Do I upgrade now or hold out until the end of the year?
Any new shit around the corner worth waiting for?

>>60433330
>around the corner
There's Vega cards being released next months
Cannon Lake won't bring anything new to the table and Coffee Lake is worthless in every aspect
also see >>60432311

>>60433330
Only thing is Vega. possibly the i9 late this year or mid next. If you are looking for a budget pc now is a great time to buy with ryzen.

>>60433367
>>60433369
Alright thanks. Not gonna fall in the eternal "wait a few months" trap.
Shame RAM is ridiculously expensive though.

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what usb fan would you recommend?
getting hot in here

>>60433170

Any electronics are more effecient at lower temperatures (lets assume a sensible operatring range from 15c to around 100c). Running hot does not give any benefits. Now if you were making a case for thermal cycling i'd agree - constantly running warm is better than cycling from hot and cold.

my motherboard died so i'm upgrading from i5 4670k and 8gb 1333 ddr3. you guys keep spouting the ryzen meme and i'm intrigued


redpill me on am4 i'm looking to buy 3200mhz ddr4 memory
which motherboard should i get?
i want to oc but i've heard most chips don't go much above 4ghz anyway so should i just get a 1600x and call it a day
i was really looking forward to getting a 7600k and an aio for aesthetics and to go above 5ghz

i still sort of want an aio for the aesthetics but people say my old ugly piece of shit hyper 212 evo meme is good enough for ryzen, would buying an overkill h110i be stupid?

is r5 1600 actually worth the stigma of being a 4ghz cuck, i mean we all like big numbers even if they don't mean anything right?

>define r5 is silent, they said
Silent, my ass. I can hear the fans of my r9 390 humming clear as day, and it pisses me off.
Padded cases are a scam.

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Is it true that the higher the refresh rate, the better your gaming experience is going to be?

For example, I'm looking at a monitor that is capable of 144hz, but my current GPU won't be able to power 144hz constantly with high settings. The monitor can do 80/100/120/144hz tho so in the short term (before a GPU upgrade) would it be an substantially better experience running it at say 100hz??

>>60433627
>is r5 1600 actually worth the stigma of being a 4ghz cuck
Well, it doesn't reach 95% usage in games, so yeah i'd say that's a good tradeoff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

>which motherboard should i get?
which motherboard reaches 3200MHz and which doesn't is pretty random at the time being. An update is planned before the end of the month to improve RAM overclocking.
Just get a good b350 like the MSI gaming pro or Asus Prime b350 plus, doubt you need more.

>so should i just get a 1600x and call it a day
Sure you can, and lock all cores to 4GHz / 4.1GHz if you're lucky

>would buying an overkill h110i be stupid?
yes, AIOs cost much more than high end air coolers and cool only 1 - 4°C better.

>people say my old ugly piece of shit hyper 212 evo meme is good enough for ryzen,
It's enough indeed, but if you want a better cooler for better temperatures, you can always get a $40 noctua / be quiet / whatever's in this price range cooler.

>>60433658
i know right lad, everyone says "i assure you X case is very silent! X card is very silent! i really can't hear it!" but i end up hearing both perfectly fucking fine

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>>60433751

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>>60433751
refresh rate only matters if your gpu can push out fps matching your refresh rate.

100fps on a 144hz display will look the same as 100fps on a 100hz display.

the more fps the screen can display, the smoother the image will be

>>60433842

both monitors I'm looking at have ULMB, but it doesn't work with gsync

fuckin nvidia jews, no reason gsync ought to cost $200 more than freesync

>>60433585
Silicone gets more conductive at higher temperatures, I don't actually know the "thermodynamics" for this... But, you'll notice that your card is going to draw less power at the same usage, once it heats up a little, than when it's running cool.

Either way, 40C is not an "ideal temp" for CPU and GPU, it really doesn't matter if your CPU is 75C at max, or if it's 50C at max.
HDDs DO have a specific operating range, where 40C at least was the ideal operating temperature. Lower than that would drastically lower it's life expectancy, and higher than it would too lower life expectancy a bit... This doesn't go for CPU or GPUs.

>>60433884
>but it doesn't work with gsync
gsync only really matters at lower framerates. ulmb is the best if you can do 120fps

>fuckin nvidia jews, no reason gsync ought to cost $200 more than freesync
agreed

>>60433875

I'm thinking I can probably get around 100fps on some of the older games I play, so overall it would be a step up from the 60hz I have right now. Then in the future I'll replace my 980 and it won't matter.

>>60433905

yeah I was thinking that having gsync might come in handy until I can up my GPU later on. I've gotta replace the monitor tho shortly which is my quandry. because I do want to get a 1440 monitor, just don't want it to be total dogshit experience until I can drop the money on a nice GPU that can easily power it all

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>Mfw gonna sell my thinkpad soon which i practically never use anyways save for some CD burning but there's external usb burners aswell for that

How likely is it that the ryzen 1500 will drop further in price in the coming weeks? It already went down a bit as far as i can tell

>>60433627
>would buying an overkill h110i be stupid?
Ryzen aren't housefires like delidlake.
All you need is a 140-180w TDP cooler at most, which is overkill enough to keep them cool without the fan spinning much. Like a $35 Cryorig H7.

If you really want to spend more then you can get a Le Grande Macho which is 140w cooling TDP fanless, and you can add a fan later to make it 300w later. But an H7 is really more than needed.

>>60434042
You can get them cheaper new from ebay, but they aren't from autherized retailers so they might not have the factory warranty and shit.
Those $170 prices you see them at there is already really good. It's +/- 5% the i7-7700 non-k performance for almost half the price.

>>60434103
>>60434103
Alright thanks m8, saw one for 160 the other day and i guess it's not so bad then considering i paid like 140 for my phenom ii back in the day

Think i'm gonna wait till it drops a bit more and things calm down again on the private front before i make the switch to am4 though

my 6700k can hit 4.9Ghz but I fear it shouldn't be doing that with a 212. Whats a $50-80 air cooler that can keep it stable at 4.9.

>>60431933
Nvidia can blame themselves for making that retard proprietary shit instead of having it be open like freesync.

R8 my build /g/: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sZ6Xqk

Going to build PC for the first time for gaming. maybe some streaming (maybe some minor rigging for 4CC). This is basically a piece for piece pull from the LogicalIncrements guide. There's a compatibility issue with the Noctua HS, but idk how big of an issue that it.

Questions: I'm trying to keep the price around $1000 before peripherals like mice, speakers and keyboards (going budget with those) and I'm open to suggestions on a monitor(s?), but still trying to keep it on the cheap end.

>>60434471
>x370 motherboard
Why? Do you need SLI, Xfire, or the extra PCIe lanes?

So, I know Nvidia gets many drivers and whatnot earlier, but which company provides support for their cards longer? I don't need BLEEDING EDGE ULTRA 8K 16X AA but I do need to be able to launch the geimus and not get a "lol ur poorfag gpu is missing support for this shit" error.

>>60431933
>bad amd experience

Did you buy a fx series CPU?

>>60434471
>buy expensive cooler and $370 GPU
>bottleneck with 2400MHz single channel single rank RAM
why

>>60434254
They could have simply used Freesync itself.
It's open for them to support, but they refuse to.

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How do I align my wallpaper when one is landscape and one is horizontal?

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>>60430553
Is a Q9650cCPU worth it for 75$ ?

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>>60434471
>cooler and mobo cost as much as the CPU
>single RAM stick
>no SSD

Why can't I find used ASUS STRIX R9 Furys anymore (in Europe)?

>>60434694
The R9 Fury production probably stopped by now

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qxDT7h

Looking ways to improve/cheaping this low budget workstation PC being used for music production with room for upgrades later.

>>60430553
who is this semen demon?

>>60433791
>MSI gaming pro

This one? This will run DDR4 at 3200?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144019

>>60433875
>CRTs still winning in 2017
lol.

>>60434588
Isn't single-rank faster?

>>60434775
doubt you can go any cheaper than that?

>>60434846
>Isn't single-rank faster?
single isn't the same thing as single channel

>>60434849
i didnt want to add that question mark

>>60434845
A mentally ill gay man who posts on /g/ pretending to be female for attention.

Someone needs to kickstarter him a one-way ticket to Saudi Arabia

>>60434866
Or you could just ignore them.

>>60434775
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/qxDT7h
I think that's as cheap as you can go without buying a refurbished computer.
Might be able to get a mainboard with built in wifi for cheaper than both that board and the wifi adapter, is all I can figure.

>>60434886
What you mean is, "Stop talking about degeneracy unless you agree with it."

No thanks. This is not your safe space.

>>60434927
No, I mean ignore all attention whores. Without attention they starve and leave. Not everything is about your /pol/ conspiracy theory.

>>60430553
I miss "her" ;_;

>>60432596
This is the most stupid thing I've read today. 40c with today's CPUs? When gaming? You're fucking clueless, go back to wherever you come from.

>>60435022
>without attention they starve and leave

They will always get attention from desperate cucks. Always. It's a time-tested approach. The only thing left is to break the echo chamber and tell them the truth, that they are mentally ill

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Is it worth $10 more to not have autism lights? Seriously considering it.

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wait for months for vega
>delay dalay tesers
>just wait
finally only few weeks
>amd vega will be paper lounch and it will be like that for months
lie's its impossible. they wouldnt fuck up like that
>amd doesnt denounce
>even polaris refresh is out of stock in all shops
bloody fucking hell fuck you amd

im ordering gtx 1070
for the first time in my life i will have fully kosher rig with intel+nvidia combo
doesnt feel right but what can i do

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WIDER

>>60435097
>give attention whore more attention and vent your disgust
>pretend you're somehow shattering their delusions
Stop playing into their hands.

>>60435139
Nevermind, both have autism lights.

Christ, these are budget boards, why are you making me pay for that garbage.

>>60435208
Those aren't budget boards.

>>60434598
you need to mke a version of the siege wallpaper where the right side with the terrorists goes is full size from the top to bottom and crop some of the top and bottom off the left side on the wide monitor so you end up with something like a 3000x1920 picture if they were 1080 monitors you should get the point it takes some trial and effort i did the same thing with a counter strike wallpaper once

also might need to make some adjustments for monitor height difference

>>60435195
thicc.

>>60435200
Clearly, just going about your business and saying nothing as they shit up society is working. Oh wait.

If you won't stand up for your culture, for sanity, for basic principles of reality like animals having two genders, who the fuck will? Stop being cucked into silence.

>>60434565
No, I bought a laptop with amd graphics and I never ever managed to even open the catalyst settings and I was quickly overrun with ridiculous bugs and weird imaginary overheat issues I never managed to fix.

>>60435139
>>60435208
>mfw was just looking at motherboards and thinking about buying 15$ more expensive one to get autism lights

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>>60435195
what did they announce about vega?
>tfw selling all my old shit on ebay currently to afford it

>>60435208
the lights on the msi board aren't even that big of a deal

>>60435362
Nothing yet.
They're talking about more Ryzen right now.

>>60435195
God I'm glad they didn't call Ryzen that.

>>60434598
Get a pro version of Display fusion and move the wallpaper down or up. I think it has some settings to put what you are missing to replace the bottom that will turn black.

>>60435338
I wouldn't be surprised, I never looked into the AMD mobile eco system personally but it seems to try and undercut the integrated power of Intel for cheaper. I find it caters to normie college and uni budget laptops.

I bought a i7 a year old model laptop for productivity and still serves me well after 3 years. I use a desktop for gaming and haven't had too many issues with and GPUs.

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16c32t confirmed for dekstop

>>60435195
SIMPLY EPYC

>>60435195
eric, dude

THIS IS IT

>>60435362
All so far was that Lisa Su said it's a "top tier product"

Raja Koduri just came on, so there should be more coming. Probably belongs in another thread, though.

What the fuck do I even do with a motherfucking TERABYTE of pure EPYCNESS!?!??!?

>>60435566
EPYC is the server line

>>60435588
but it's just such a dumb name

>>60435362
>>60435550
They also announced that mobile iGPU is the same Vega, and it is a 40% performance increase.

So APUs should be nearly RX460 performance if your RAM is fast enough. Whereas in the past, they were more like R7 240 or 250 perf, and Intel iGPUs half that.

>>60435566
Huh? The 1TB of VRAM is on the Firepro GPU. It has 2 M.2 slots to increase VRAM with SSDs.
Epyc are CPUs. Naples.

>>60435566
Redo this maymay with the correct wording you dumb idiot

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/P8YTxY

Need it for light gaming and web browsing

Hosting a server for a game.Im not sure how many instances this could run at once though. I know more stuff is done client side. It might be cheaper to buy it from america and ship it over perhaps, i wonder about warranty for such expensive components. I think I might need more or less ram. Is there perhaps better server equipment than self made?

>>60435740
What game exactly?

>>60435566
Bruh, they even told you what usage that gpu had. It's for video editing, targeted for 4k+ video editing.

>>60435740
>2.7-3.5ghz 12 cores when you could get 4ghz 16 cores for under $2000 each if you wait 2 months
why tho
You could save thousand of dollars to spend on hookers instead.

>>60435740
>gaymen
>those meme CPU
>seagate barracuda 27TB + 2TB SSD
>that fucking GPU
Why

>>60435833
it's not for gaming.

>>60435740
>https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/P8YTxY
i could live full 3 years for the money you will spend on this pc

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>tfw best part picker and no one can knock me off the throne

>>60435846
even worse, for web browsing
Really, just like >>60435815 and >>60435881
said

Now they are talking about how Vega was aimed at 4K 60hz minimum.
Picture of Tomb Raider which the 1080Ti gets 49fps minimum on at 4K very-high settings.

>>60435896
>Hosting a server for a game

>>60435793
my own, not just "my" own of course. This will be the primary server for about 1000 players to begin with. I worry about the cost of expanding.

>>60435815
i was considering waiting actually, I really do hope ryzen delivers. These are 18 cores though

>>60435833
>>60435881
its not for gaming

>>60435896
>>60435846
these guys get it.

>>60435740
Hilarious

>>60435946
>my own, not just "my" own of course. This will be the primary server for about 1000 players to begin with. I worry about the cost of expanding.
Now I understand why would you decide to create that fucking monster

You could reconsider the CPUs though, but if you can afford it, keep those.

>>60435946
Okay oops, 18 cores.
On average, AMD SMT is 30% better than HT.
32 AMD threads at the same IPC and clock is like 36.8 Intel threads. So better than 18c/36t. And they're clocked higher, so better still.
Heck, aren't those Broadwell Xeons, too? So it's not even better IPC, either.
There's really no point in getting them unless maybe they were $300 used.

In the past, AMD has offered 2p consumer motherboards. I imagine their HEDT platform will have 2p options.

>>60435277
>>60435469

Okay thanks guys!

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>>60435740
>temple os

Is it worth upgrading from a i5 4670k to an i7 4770 (non k) for 170USD? I am buying second hand.

>>60436018
thats why it only has a 710, its just for monitoring.

>>60436059
will wait to see. if the initial ryzen was anything to go off intel wont even price aggressively for some time or even at all.

>>60436193
depends if its actually something you need. the single core performance is identical so youll most likely see no difference

>>60436193
not at all, the performance jump is very very small.

>>60431957
>considering case options that don't have dvd drive mounts.
Define R5

>>60436193
Somewhat.
5Ghz 7600k is slower than the locked 7700 even in gaming, for example. Same is true when you compare 4670k OC to 4770.
But a 4790 would be waaay better. Higher clocks. 4670s are pretty low.
Actually meh, not really. Better off getting a 1600 for $200 even if you need new RAM and motherboard.

>>60434588
>>60434622
Again, first time. I literally don't know what I'm doing besides picking things from a list and making sure they're compatible.

>>60436327
I figured.
And I'm guessing that you have a 1080p 60hz monitor given how bad at this you are.
You should get an RX570 and use those savings to get a 500GB SSD.
You shouldn't get that board unless you need the built in wifi that I think it has. You should get a cheaper B350 one.
Fix the RAM and whatever other problems people mentioned.

>>60436457
I actually don't have a monitor in mind yet since that seems a bit secondary to the rest of the hardware.

>>60436135
>she drank out of a toilet bowl

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Looking to get a new PC as my current one kicked the bucket. Been meaning to upgrade anyway. I'm currently using an i5 3570k and was looking into getting new Intel hardware, but AMD is looking good at this point. I'm hesitant about getting AMD because of their track record, but I might give it a try. Since the rest of my computer still works, I'm only looking to get cpu/motherboard/RAM.

Is this combination good or are there better pieces to get?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FHbR6X

I'll add another 8GB of RAM at some point. This computer will be used for gaming and photoshop/after effects/illustrator/streaming games.

>>60436568
what? who is she

>>60436615
didn't know that gigabyte had a 4+3 b350 mobo
yes, those are good parts

>>60436655
I had another question that I forgot to mention. I'm currently using a CM 212 to cool my 3570k. I've heard some things about the Ryzen coolers being as good or better than the 212. Since I'd be giving the 1600 a slight overclock, should I use the stock, or get new brackets for my 212 and use that instead. If they're about the same in terms of cooling, which is quieter? I'd like as silent a pc as possible. Thanks.

>>60436717
The stock cooler is good and very, very quiet. But not as cool as the 212 evo,.
If you intend to OC, use your 212 evo.

Is WD Black worth the extra money compared to the WD Blue? I think they changed their lineup but if you search online you will only find old benchmarks.

>>60436801
If you've got the money to worry about this, you should be adding an SSD

It's not a meme I swear

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ITS HAPPENING

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>>60436844
6900k and 6960x are now officially trash CPUs

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I want to buy this because it looks cool, how retarded am I?

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>>60436834
I already bought a 500GB SSD. I think I will take the 1TB Blue. Then one day I will get another SSD after they've gotten cheaper.

I'm just so triggered by my trashpile of a pc I have now and its horrible drive speeds and I want this to be over with my new PC.

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I've had this for around 5 years and it hasn't exploded yet. Is it time for a replacement just in case?

>>60436919
WD black are barely any faster than WD Caviar Blue
Save yourself money and get two WD Caviar Blue

>>60436844
>no 24 cores
>performance is on par with a 2011 xeon
>higher energy consumption
theyre sure done it alright

>>60436911
not at all, it performs really close to the dh-15

>>60436906
>they are killing off opteron in favor of epyc
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>60436924
please yes
When PSU go down, they don't go down alone

>>60436935
>performance is on par with a 2011 xeon
I highly doubt this claim, and those aren't server CPUs anyway.

>>60436911
i too was once 6

>>60436919
blacks are loud. get a 2016 barracuda its the superior drive

>>60436924
Yep. 5 years is a good life for a literally who PSU. Mid-tier caps will start going soon.

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>>60436935
its 4.1 ghz btw, intel BTFO

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I've built a $2000 pc and now I don't know what games to play, pls help

>>60436998
dwarf fortress

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>>60436934
This is the best benchmark I could find that's not older than a year. It shows some advantage but that guy only tested 2TB drives and the WD Blue 2TB only has 5400RPM. I want a 1TB drive and a WD Blue with 1TB has 7200RPM just like the WD Black so I guess I can assume that the difference between the 1TB drives from WD isn't really that big, right?

>>60436998
Minecraft with Shaders

>>60436983
the fx8350 house fire was also 4ghz. flame on amdrone!

>>60437027
It shows right there that it's about 50% faster. And you conclude they're about the same. I applaud you for trying to look up a benchmark, but how are you this dumb.

>>60437074
The YouTube comments said that it doesn't compare to the 1TB WD Blue drive since it has 7200RPM while the 2TB WD Blue that gets tested in that video only has 5400RPM.

>>60437027
WD Blue is not the same as WD Caviar Blue.
5400 rpm vs 7200 rpm.
WD Black is 7200rpm.

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>>60437032
amd isnt the one with the power consumtion issues

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Should i buy this? it comes eith a GA-Z87N – WIFI and im not sure if it comes with a full build or not.

>>60437139
Ah okay, I understand. So I can assume that there is a larger speed difference between a 5400rpm drive and a 7200rpm drive? I wish they would just give their harddrives better labels so it would be easier to google for benchmarks.

>>60437195
>5400rpm drive and a 7200rpm drive
much larger yes

>>60437190
anon pls

>>60437175
intel is lower in most of these and amd always has the highest power usage as shown here.

also funny hoe amdrones always call tomshardware shills until they support them... (even though this case its against amd)

Not sure if this is the right thread, but my mouse is starting to disconnect every once in a while now for a few seconds, so I'm probably going to need another one soon. What are some good optical mice for around 20-40$? Currently using G400s and I honestly like it a lot.

>>60437218
what? i would have preferred the ship build but this seems a decent price. guy says a friend built it for him a few years ago but he hasnt used it for a few years because "a wire loose" i wonder if hell let me pull it apart to test

>>60437221
>intel is lower in most of these
What you don't understand is that the intel CPU that is at time lower has half the fucking core count of the Ryzen CPUs in there
Out of 6 benchmarks it only manages to be lower TWICE, and very slightly
That is not using less power.

>amd always has the highest power usage as shown here
No, it does not. Compare the 6900k (8 cores 16 threads) to any of the other Ryzen CPUs
you clearly have no clue what you are talking about

https://www.morele.net/pamiec-crucial-tactical-ddr4-2x8gb-3000mhz-cl15-blt2c8g4d30aeta-937552/

could this possibly run at 3200 MHz on some B350 mobo?

My ryzen order got delayed. I JUST WANT TO FINALLY GET DECENT CPU.

>>60437190
doesn't even look like a real train 0/10 would not toot toot

>>60437218
>much larger yes
Ok thanks, that's just what I needed to know. Then I can assume that the difference between the 1TB WD Blue and the 1TB WD Black is not as large as the difference shown in that video >>60437027 where the WD Blue only had 5400RPM. I will go buy a 7200RPM WD Blue now.

>>60437268
>I will go buy a 7200RPM WD Blue now.
The 7200 rpm ones are called Caviar Blue

>>60436457
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2fD2Gf
Here's a new version of the list without the overkill. I've never put a PC together before so the mounting adapter bit eludes me.

>>60437277
Okay, thanks. My preferred shopping site just calls it WD Blue but the specifications say that it has 7200RPM so I assume it has to be that one.

https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1000GB-WD-Blue-WD10EZEX-64MB-3-5Zoll--8-9cm--SATA-6Gb-s_806194.html

>>60437281
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2fD2Gf
Get faster RAM. At least 2666.
And why full ATX case with mATX board?

Rest looks fine. Though you could just get a SU800 or MX300. They are 95-99% as fast and reliable.

>>60437253
Maybe, it's very unsure.
The bios updates to improve RAM overclocking are coming out before the end of the month.

>>60436998

emulate commodore64 and play the gold box games

>>60437313
thanks
gonna wait then

>>60437277
>>60437307
To be specific, the WD Blue 1TB are 7200RPM. The higher capacity ones are 5400RPM.

do seagate drives really die within months?

>>60437358
depends on the model, but most likely no.

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>>60437358
No.
HDD failure rates, outside of specific bad models, don't follow manufacturers. And if one manufacturer is worse than the other, it's not by more than a couple percent.

See Backblaze.

>>60437308
>implying I know that much about computers
You could probably take me for a ruse cruise really easily with how little I know about computer parts here.

>>60437611
what did you not ged in his message?
its pretty basic informations that you can always google if you dont know what it is

>>60437358
Mine died in 2 years.

>>60437635
I didn't realize the bit about the SSD being cheaper at minimal loss to performance

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>>60437021
>>60437030
>>60437326
Fuck you

>>60437247
>you clearly have no clue what you are talking about
he does, the problem is that hes just a shill willingly denying facts

>>60437611
The 850 EVO at that price is a good buy. Normally the markup for it is another $15-20. But at $160 for 500GB it's very reasonable for a "performance" (lel) AHCI SSD. Well, as reasonable as can be with NAND prices where they are.

>>60430553

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/shLJD8

>>60438188
>$449 SSD
>$110 i3
>mobo that doesn't work with this cpu
What is this for exactly?
Go for a g4560 instead (performs within 5 - 3% of it for much cheaper), and a b250 motherboard along with it

>>60438188
why not G4560 instead of the i3? You;d save money. Also grab a cheaper LSD. And that motherboard won't work. You need a motherboard where the first number in the chipset is a 2, so a B250, Z270, etc.

>>60438225
Not him but I totally forgot the 3GB version of the 1060 exists, wouldn't it be better than a 470 for the same price? Becuase it's tha same as a 6GB 1060 but with less VRAM, right?

>>60438188
Here. I fixed it. Saved you almost 300 bucks.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qYCbzM

>>60438277
>Becuase it's tha same as a 6GB 1060 but with less VRAM, right?
That's usually how it's done but for the GTX 1060 3GB. The 3GB is a weaker card than the 6GB, the same way the 1070 is weaker than the GTX 1080: less cores etc etc
It is indeed more powerful than the RX 470, but it's close in price to the RX 480/580 so you should go with that instead because it's more powerful

>>60438307
actually, I missed something.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mNw6gL

>>60438329
Then if I could get a 1060 3GB for the price of 470 4GB it would be good, I guess.

>>60438365
Might be a pretty bad idea because of the 3GB vs 4GB though.

>>60438225

>mobo that doesnt work with this cpu
>what are bios updates

>>60438307
>>60438335

>downgrading to just 8GB of ram

i didnt put 16 as a mistake, i use nearly 8 by just every day tasks

Anyone in here planning on making the jump to i9?

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>>60438412

>>60438412
Nein

>>60438431
The fuck do you find so funny?

>>60438410
>i use nearly 8 by just every day tasks
what the fuck do you do every day that requires 8GB of RAM? The system you built sure doesn't need it.

That build is really weird. You went for the most expensive thing in some cases and the least expensive in others with no logic seemingly used.

ok....so I shouldn't be using me m.2 as a booting drive? I feel stupid now...i thought it was faster than ssd...

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>>60438459
>i9
>coming out
>ever

>>60438459
Can't see of any reason why would you buy these overpriced piece of shit when Ryzen & Threadripper exist

>>60438502
They literally just annonced it

>>60438504
Because amd lost me as a customer years ago

>>60438489
It is, but at this point loading speed is not the bottleneck.

>>60438489
>i thought it was faster than ssd...
It is, but the difference is negligible. The Cheaper m.2 drives use Sata, while more expensive ones use NVME which is superior.
However the cost of the NVME just isn't justified in 90% of cases when compared against a similar size 2.5" SSD

I remember there used to be daily guts threads on /g/, what happened to those?

>>60438523
gore.

>>60438523
A mod poated ane git made fun of and is now butthurt

>>60438511
>Because amd lost me as a customer years ago
>he says while willingly getting fucked in the ass by price gouging
Whatever AMD has done to you, it's nothing in comparison to all the shit Intel has done
Bribing OEMs which removed all competition then price gouging, which forced everyone into buying overpriced piece of shit hardware ($200 for a fucking quadcore in 2017), forcing you to pay a premium for overclocking and most importantly barely any innovation
Intel fucked you more in the ass in the past 10 years than AMD ever will and had

>>60438523
They're still there, but not daily

>>60438511
>They literally just annonced it
Those are pure rumors.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cZmq8K

another g4560 "budget/first-time builder" build.

please recommend a minimal/matte black (or plain) case around $50

thank you and don't forget your meds today

>>60438552
Meanwhile amd cant release anything powerful to save their fucking lives cell me when tbey can into ps2 emulation without overclock

>>60438562
How's this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K3pGYr

>>60438573
*calls you*
you uninformed retard

hi, i kind of want to upgrade my pc because i'm a nitwit and pubg is running kind of wank

what would you suggest, pic related

>>60438589
Prove it to me i do not believe you i was told the same about fx 8320 and it turned out to be shit for it

>>60438602
cute picture

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>>60438602
whoops

>>60438624
thenks

>>60438573
wow. Someone is uninformed. AMD had been kicking Intel's ass the past few months since Ryzen released. And there's still Ryzen 3 coming. Ryzen 3 will offer quad core CPUs for the price of an i3.
Ryzen 5 has been kicking the i5's ass offering i7 levels of performance.

And they're ALL overclockable. No paying through the nose for a k variant to overclock.

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>>60438512
>>60438521
Well I have one now....I should perhaps just keep my windows on it. I have all my programs saved onto it...but my games are on a separate SSD...with my music on another SSD.

Ok...so I'm wanting to upgrade my motherboard (the one I currently have overheats...or the sensors are fucked)...i'm interested in the new gigabyte gaming 9 motherboard but it's a ATX-extended...will this fit into my Define R5?

oh and whats the best 1080ti to get right now?

>>60438619
>i was told the same about the fx 8320, a 6+ years old architecture
>so obviously, this 3 months old architecture is the same!
You are more uninformed than i thought, anon. Running on an R7 1700.
Here are two of my own Cemu (Wii U) test videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T3oasEAWj0
https://youtu.be/oAnyFmU7bPI

As for PCSX2, there's a lot of R7 1700 videos about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzU9mBNeHmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87qPFRyDtSY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdgncvfYfFo

>>60438628
do you want a decent replacement build or just to upgrade what you currently have?

>>60438650
Like i said prove they can into ps2 emulation without overclock

What is the best CPU for using a low amount of power?

>>60438669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87qPFRyDtSY

I've got an early 2000s era system lying around, like an Athlon 2800+, Radeon 9600, etc. Nostalgic, but a bit shit. I took it in in order to try and run Mechwarrior 3, but it turns out even an early 2000s era machine is still too new to run that. Managed to get it to run on new machines shortly after anyway.

I also have the motherboard, processor, and ram of a Core 2 quad system.

Is there anything the older system is compatible with that the newer one won't be? I already have a decent modern computer, so If there's nothing the old one will run that a modern machine won't, then I'll probably just swap the core 2 quad system into the case, plus some SATA drives, and give it away.

>>60438668
looking towards upgrading some parts, i already spent too much building this just a few years ago

the upgrade can be expensive but it doesn't have to be, just wanna play this fucking game decently

>>60438586

Yeah, I was just looking at a NZXT S340 case. Thanks for the suggestion!

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reposting

push me to edge, all my cores are dead

>>60438717
S340 is a great case too. Choose between them. The S340 is newer and cleaner, so I'd lean towards that. Also look at the Phanteks P400

>>60438723
this is gettign annoying

>>60438670
Technically the cheapest intel uses the least power, but i doubt what you want is a cheap CPU.
How much is your CPU budget, how much performance are you seeking?
The R7 1700 is the best power efficient CPU, as in it has the best performance to power consumption ratio. i5 7500 is second but is quite a lot less powerful. R5 1600 comes third and is not that far behind the 1700 in term of performance.

>>60438746
i wasn't getting some yous before, so is there anything wrong with my build before i buy it? i'm literally so close to buying it

>>60438670
For a general purpose machine, you can get embedded Atoms.
Going all out on power consumption, and you get a Raspberry Pi.

>>60438782
you're not getting any response because there's nothing to change, nothing wrong.

>>60438782
What's with the PSU?
You can get better for cheaper.

>>60438696
>Is there anything the older system is compatible with that the newer one won't be?

ISA slots, even PCI slots are starting to go away on newer motherboards. So it depends on whether you have any old peripherals you want to use.

There are also some instances where you want a real serial or LPT port since USB emulated ones don't necessarily match the full functionality of a real port.

But other than that, not really. The problem with old hardware is it costs more in electricity to run than it costs to replace it with something newer.

>>60438791
okay thanks
>>60438807
thinking of just using my 3 year old one, there isn't a variety of choices in terms of PSU's in Australia, what do you suggest?

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>>60438834
Can you harvest power from kangaroos?

>>60438834
Sorry, didn't realize you already had one lying around. I just wouldn't buy that new.

>>60438877
yeah but you gotta catch them first
>>60438883
any alternatives? i'm still 50/50 on using my old one

>>60438812
>ISA slots, even PCI slots are starting to go away on newer motherboards. So it depends on whether you have any old peripherals you want to use.

Sadly, no, and it's still like a decade too young to have ISA slots.

I get you on the LPT and serial ports, I actually do use that shit regularly, but I've managed to get a modern-ish LGA1155 motherboard that still has them

So, cool, thanks, I'll probably rebuild it into a passable little workstation and hand it off to someone who needs one.

>>60438901
I would stick with it. Nothing wrong with reusing a PSU.
If you were interested in alternatives (I wouldn't be, but I see you fishing here), I saw some deal on the EVGA G3 650, but I have no idea on what is available down under. It's a quality unit, if you could get it, though you probably don't need 650 unless you wanted substantial headroom.
You can always install it now, and get a newer one down the road if a great deal catches your eye.

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One day I will own this general

>>60438974
alright i might just reuse my old one then, that psu you suggested is way over my budget anyway

>>60432703
a ryzen 1600

So um wtf happened with Vega today?

>>60439424
They presented the professional card, no info about the desktop one.
Also Ryzen 3 series will have Vega iGPU in there

>>60439435
Ryzen 5 with Vega iGPU when?

Roast me.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s7fHZ8
Everything (Purchased) has been Jewed off of a friend.

>>60439492
except for the overpriced PSU that's a pretty good build

>>60439492
That Fractal Design case is tacky as fuck with that brushed plastic

>>60439435
>Vega iGPU
Damn it. Can't they just release a Ryzen 3 4c/4t to beat the shit out of G4560.

>>60439523
>>60439538
Oy vey goyim, free is a price I can't pass up.

>>60439492
Grab an aftermarket cooler. Too bad the RAM is slow.

>>60438723
It's ok if you have a high refresh rate monitor. Slow RAM

>>60439570
a $120 4c4t with a vega iGPU would blow the g4560 out of the water when it comes to budget gaming, remember all the budget gamers get a g4560 + GTX 1050ti which generally ends up around $220 ~ $230

>>60439492
>double AMD
>no cooler
You're roasting yourself my dude.

>>60439646
I wish retards would stop spouting old memes.

>>60438670
Depends. Intel has low-power CPUs. I think they're branded with a T

>>60439598
>>60439646
I've heard nothing but good things about the wraith cooler and am willing to give it a spin (pun forced).

Buying this shit, thanks lads.

>>60439607
The vega iGPU probably can't compete with gtx 1050 ti, it wont' even be able to compete with gtx 1050, and it's questionable if it can even perform to rx 460 levels.

>>60439747
hehe spin

>>60439758
>>60439758
>>60439758
move when needed

>>60438990
I dont get it

>>60439802
Cause it's so out of place for a beta to touch her it's like a chicken

>>60439802
>>60439818
It's the fingertips thing you idiots. Their knees are weak and their palms are sweaty so they don't lay their hand on your thigh like a normal guy would. It's the hoverhand of "moves".

Is the Taichi x370 good for a 1700x rig? I've been considering other boards but everyone keeps telling me to go for the Taichi. I really don't think I need the SLI or Xfire stuff. What are some alternatives?

>>60440008
It's great, but do you really want to buy a $/€ 200+ motherboard? If you want an X370 board it's probably safe to go with one of the cheaper ones like the Prime X370 Pro or ASRock Kellogg's.

Any good places to buy IDE HDDs?