GET ON LINUX NOW

What if I just install Ubuntu from the windows store, is that okay?

>Not fucked in the ass by the nsa
>what is systemd
>what is selinux

>Not using Gentoo
>thinking you know how great Linux actually is

>No bloatware
>uses SystemD

Post discarded.

>>60429239
>Using windows 10
Enjoy a fun and safe microsoft/nsa assrape.

>>60429285
>Thinks systemd is bad
>2017
How about you fuck off, systemd is a great system boot manager and service manager.
>>60429269
Atleast we can see the source-code of those applications.

>>60429229
>yeah it's 2017 and linux is using archaic unix concepts
>linux is actually bloat, use plan 9
>bold claim
>sometimes faster but x11 can be slow
>one of the most unsafe OS, use openBSD if you want security
>less software and games than osx
>stable if using specific software
>fucked by nasa a lot

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>>60429269
You don't have to use systemd or selinux if you don't want to you tech-illiterate retard.

>>60429285
I've got no idea what I'm talking about but I want to get my lolz on at 4chan.org/g/ : The Post

>>60429335
OpenRC > everything

>>60429335
>>60429353
>>60429367

How about you retards educate yourselves on the dangers of systemd: http://ewontfix.com/14/

Or maybe you wont bother because Red Hat are paying you to shill.

What's the performance impact of GPU passthrough and virtualization?

Basically I want to run linux normally but still have access to muh gaymes in windows, but I need a how 2 loonix 4 retards guide

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>>60429391
>Argue a reason for not using it
>Thinks I'm uninformed about it

Go back to Rēddit tech-illiterate winshit gaymur.

>it's 2017
>web browsers on Linux STILL cannot use hardware acceleration to decode videos

Absolutely pathetic.

>>60429437
>forgets about Android
Android is Linux too, and it has HW video decode

>>60429337
>Archaic unix concepts
name one that actually hurts linux
>Thinks linux is bloat
Tinycore linux fits in 11 MB
>bold claim
no, look at all the drivers linux supports http://www.linux-drivers.org/
>sometimes faster but x11 can be slow
No argument.
>one of the most unsafe OS, use openBSD if you want security
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
>less software and games than osx
That is just plain wrong
>stable if using specific software
Same with all oses
>fucked by nasa a lot
is this a bad thing

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>>60429437
Works on my machine, try not being so dumb.

>>60429479
>>60429437
Absolutely destroyed.

Because Linux is shit and almost all your points are blatantly false.

>>60429229
>Stable as fuck

buggy KMS gpu drivers and running out of RAM freezing the entire system is super stable, indeed. A dream cum true.

>>60429229

>Not fucked in the ass by the nsa
>implying the nsa have no 0-days for Ganoo/Lanookz

Whatever you say, dude. Really made me think tbqh.

>>60429229
>tons of software, lots of games
Come on man, don't delude yourself.

>>60429478

>"no argument"
>responds to argument with "AHAHAHAHAHAHA"

like animal husbandry

>>60429536
go home and pay 0.3Btc for ransom

>>60429551
running out of RAM freezing the entire system
>durr what is swap
>windows totally doesnt use pagefiles for the exact same purpose

you're a fucking retard.

>>60429536
Fuck off until you have facts
>>60429551
Try not using shitty drivers
>>60429557
If you run selinux on a hardened linux kernel you are not getting nsaed sorry.
>>60429574
https://steamdb.info/linux/ for games
https://www.debian.org/devel/people For packages, just scroll down and you will see how much software linux has.
>>60429620
>>60429478
see grsecurity/selinux/pam/any other linux security software.

>>60429655

>2,372 games
>only about double the amount of games on the fucking ouya

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>60429551
>running out of RAM freezing the entire system
That's what macOS does, unironically.

>>60429816

>addresses an actual problem
>"yeah but mac does it!!!"

>>60429827
Windows does it too you computer illiterate fuck, atleast linux handles OOM problems better

>>60429840

>addresses an actual problem
>"yeah but windows does it!!!"

>>60429845
>Addresses a problem most users won't run into if they have enough ram
>"Yeah but all oses do it!!"
FTFY

>>60429866

>"not all users run into it, therefore it's not a problem"

Literally an evolved form of "werkz on my machine"

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>2017
>No bloatware
>Working driver support for almost all systems
>Always faster then windows, faster then mac, faster than linux
>Safest os
>Tons of software, lots of games
>Stable as fuck
>Not fucked in the ass by the nsa

Why are you not on Plan 9, /g/

>>60429827
>>60429840
>>60429845
>>60429866
Linux has the OOM killer and if disabled it doesn't allow you to run out of memory (but refusing to allocate more than physical free memory).
Windows enables swap by default.
macOS can't do swap properly and happily allows you to keep allocating memory, if you're <16 MB free your system freezes.

The catch is all your points are true for some distros but not for others, so you'll always end up with something that sucks in some way.

You're preaching to the choir. Been using Linux over the past 9 years and it has progressed lightyears in that time. It went from a server OS that could be modded to function as a desktop OS to a full fledged, feature rich system that can be honestly as user friendly as macOS but with more freedom.

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Linus is an idiot nigger who can't even write his own compiler. I use white OS only.

Screen tearing with latest closed source drivers, it will run worse than any windows and that's a fact. Also a lot of less games that I bought. Linux is only useful for my server and dev, and I got a virtual machine for that.

>>60429964
what

>>60429418
If you do it right, the amount of frames you lose is in the single digits.

>>60429229
Once DX10/11 Games on Linux (WINE) runs with the exact same performance that they do on Windows or better, I'll switch.

>>60429840

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/159356

>>60429964
Go away fake dianna

>>60430084
>2007-11-01
>This bug affects 51 people
>Status: incomplete
>Importance: low
>Assigned to: unassigned
so this is the power of open source development...

>systemd
Haha. No.

>>60430161
>Using ubuntu
>Not using debian/gentoo
No sympathy for them, all their fault.

>>60429229
>> 2017
>>No bloatware
...just useless package dependencies.
>>Working driver support for almost all systems
Only for very broad definitions of 'working'.
>>Almost always faster then windows,
Nope, unless you mean console-only.
>>faster then mac when well optimized
MacOS is well known for being one of the slowest systems out there.
>>Safest os
No OS offers protection from stupid users.
>>Tons of software, lots of games
Most of which is/are shit. Anything worthwhile also exists for Windows, and more.
>>Stable as fuck
As long as you are not running xorg.
>>Not fucked in the ass by the nsa
If only you knew...
>Why are you not on linux /g/
Because it's shit.

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>>60429229
I agree OP
Install Solus today

>>60429229
These Windows VS Linux war thread...

Personally, I don't think Linux looks good, at least not default. I keep seeing these "rice" threads. 90 % of them have minimalistic + not practical look, ugly font, disturbing wallpaper, too small font, bad contrast and the list goes on.

if you don't sit and rice your desktop, you either sit in Vim or Emacs, programming, while an good IDE can do the same job.

> 2017
Yes, it's 2017. Windows is better than ever in my opinion. But linux has improved too.
>No bloatware
Honestly, not much bloatware in W10, and the few things that comes with the installation you can remove through powershell.
>Working driver support for almost all systems.
Yes, most of them work, many of them are not properitary driver which is a big minus.
> Safest os
It's up to the user, many people have no clue about security on their personal computer.
>Stable as fuck
Depends what you mean, but Debian is the most stable, yes. Not as stable as Windows or Mac though.
>Not fucked in the ass by the nsa
Not true, but Linux people are the most paranoid and stressed people on earth when it comes to these things. I wonder what Linux people do, to be so scared of Windows and Mac. Must be something bad. Don't be on the internet either, they can track you there too. Or don't use PC at all.

I think Linux or Windows or Mac is more or less personal preference.

>>60430202
read the link, the bug affects all distros

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>>60429436
>>60429391
How about you shitheads just use PCLinuxOS? No SELinux, no SystemD, updated packages.

Yes, they actually started fucking updating that distro for once.

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>>60429478
>name one that actually hurts linux
most ones. read about inferno.
>Tinycore linux fits in 11 MB
11 megabytes is a fuckton!
>no, look at all the drivers linux supports http://www.linux-drivers.org/
>needing a page for drivers instead of accepting if it's x86 it'll run windows by default
>No argument.
It is an argument - GUI can be slow
>AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
>ebin
>That is just plain wrong
OSX has more software: all posix software + a lot of OSX specific things. also steam library has more osx games
>Same with all oses
Yeah, linux is trash
>is this a bad thing
OP made it sound like one
>>60429896
so hot.

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>>60429229
>lots of games
Don't be dishonest. Linux is genuinely good for most shit but gaming is garbage. Not because of the OS itself. Just total lack of support.

Fuck, my 360 controller works better on fedora than it does in windows. Plug and play with no extra shit.

I have a Dell Inspirion E6420 which Linux should I use? I got the livecd working on gentoo but the install wiki seems really overly complicated....I do love the way gentoo is designed and functions. Very minimalist.

might stick with Arch but theres alot of fluff and bloat it seems.

>>60429335
No it isn't.
It's actually fucking terrible.

It';s files are sprawled out all over the place, there are like 10 trillion places a .service file, compared to 1 fucking place.
It stops boot at random for non system disk issues - like it stops the WHOLE boot process because a drive that wasn't ready.
Not to mention that if you're running SAMBA at all you're probably in for a 5-10 minute bootup while it fails to properly start nmbd.
Fuck I hate systemd.

Atleast potteringaround finally got pulseuadio working alright.

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Because I paid for this Windows 10 license damnit and I'm going to get my money's worth.

>>60432138
That's how it works on Windows too...

>>60431980
Modern games maybe, anything for DX9 though works faster on Linux under wine2.x+galliumnine than it ever will on Windows.

>>60431980
I see your point, but to an extent that depends a lot on how determined you are. Steam support is still growing, and if you get angry and swear enough you'd be surprised what you can trick into working with Wine, especially with PlayOnLinux. Fallout 3 runs just as well/poorly as it does on Windows, for instance.

>>60432270
Galliumnine my friend, forget Wine's shitty DX2ogl crap - it's locked to OpenGL3.3 Compatibility Mode forever (since that's all Apple supports) and it's slow as fuck.

nine won't get you better DX10/11 - but you'll get faster than native DX9.

>>60430254
Hi Kevin

>>60432318
>but you'll get faster than native DX9.**
**Only with AMD GPUs using the foss driver stack (not Catalyst/Crimson)
nVidia GPUs using nouveau work with it too, but it's slower than Windows and a tossup as to whether you'll get better performance on nvidia proprietary drivers and wine's shitty dx2ogl or slower FOSS nouveau drivers and fast galliumnine.

>>60429229
>tons of software
>lots of games
Kiss my dick.

No Linux distro will ever look not disgusting.

>>60429229

what is that console font?

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>>60431805
High effort b8, but most anon is
>too educated to take it
>too uneducated to take it

>>60429229
But Can I play all my games easy. No. Never Underestimate laziness.

>>60429229
>Why are you not on linux /g/
no games

>>60430915
>SystemD
STOP USING THAT FUCKING CAPPED DDDDDDDDD ITS systemd.

>>60429229
>compiz
You wot

>>60429229
Because I dropped Linux for OS X.

>>60434354
Who gives a shit?

>>60434448
me

>>60434456
Let me reword that, who matters and gives a shit?

>>60434525
Once again, me.

>>60434419
I enjoy this too. My work gives me top of the line mac book pros and the are so comfy. Not sure if their hardware is worth the price compared to regular PC + Linux

>>60434561
Sure thing bud

>>60434591
Thanks, pal.

>>60432265
No, on windows I had to download a driver and it is only halfway functional. The damn light ring in the middle can't even tell which player I am.

>>60429229
>Tons of software, lots of games
Y'know, aside from the ones that people actually need and use every day

>>60429229
>GET ON LINUX NOW
I already am using GNU/Linux, maybe some other time

B-but im already on Debian

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>>60429239

>>60429229
im already exclusively using linux, have been for years.

>>60429229
CAD vendors can't into Linux.

No, blender is terrible, and is not CAD.

>>60429229
#archlinux-offtopic is the most cancerous channel on all of freenode

>>60430249

>...just useless package dependencies.

That's the other way around, with a package manager you get the dependencies you need, in Windows you get every version of every .dll every developer has ever used, because they always bundle their .dll in case of incompability, hence the classical 'ever growing Windows partition even after you've uninstalled the program.

>Only for very broad definitions of 'working'.

Working means working, Linux runs on everything, because it has the best hardware support. Microsoft is proud when they get one of their versions running on ARM.

>Nope, unless you mean console-only.

Yes it's faster than Windows, that's why Linux owns server, compute+render cluster/farms, super computers, even gpu computing.

>No OS offers protection from stupid users.

This I agree with.

>Most of which is/are shit. Anything worthwhile also exists for Windows, and more.

Most games on Windows are shit as well, but you are right that for gaming Windows is superior.

>As long as you are not running xorg.

xorg is stable, it's a old big system, but it's stable as fuck.

>If only you knew...

NSA has exploits for Linux systems for sure, but they are undoubtable fewer and more likely to be fixed on Linux than on Windows which is a joke, not to mention that Linux is a harder target, in order to effectively exploit it you'd need to find something in either the Kernel or glibc, since those are pretty much the only standard components across all distros.

Finally running Windows is basically being a rape victim, you are running adware disguised as an operating system, literally the OS for sheep.

>>60432530
F

>>60429229
>2017
>Still no good all around DE unless you want to mess with customizing things for a few hours

>>60429391
>This leads to "Linux" becoming the laughing stock of Windows fans
>trusting a person that cares what windows users think

Just wow.

>>60429229
No thanks, I have friends, money, and happiness.

>>60436054
>>60436124
fuck off microsoft

>>60429229
>2017
le current year
>No bloatware
systemd
>Working driver support for almost all systems
Kek >almost
>Almost always faster then windows, faster then mac when well optimized
Not with any usable DE
>Safest os
Lmao
>Tons of software, lots of games
Kek
>Stable as fuck
Not unless you use Debian Stable, which uses 4 year old software
>Not fucked in the ass by the nsa
systemd

>my printer still doesn't work
>it's "security" is a result of unpopularity

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>>>/t/769497

>>60436157
Which DE is usable without configuration? Let's even reduce our expectations, I don't care about full DE, I'm okay with doing modifications through terminal emulators, there's still not a single WM that does not require extensive modification to fit into casual desktop meta.

>>60436165
>systemd-hater
Just ignore this guy.

>>60436212
>implying you want to rice
just use LXDE

>>60436226
but he is right though

>>60436212
this>>60436230

>>60429229
>arch on pic
>stable as fuck
>secure

>>60436165

>systemd

Bloatware compared to what ? Are you retarded ?

>Not with any usable DE

Of course it is, Windows DE is a fucking ad platform.

>systemd

LOL where are the fucking NSA exploits of systemd, or even ANY exploits. systemd has been around for many years now, has over a 1000 people looking and working on the code (due to it being open source!) which makes it a shit ton harder to hide an exploit.

Windows meanwhile is as ripe as ever, as shown by the latest worm fucking systems across the globe, and Microsoft is in NSA's pocket seeing that they only patched Windows 10 despite being warned of this worm, and only patched Windows 10 in mars, a year after being told that there was an exploit, why ? Because NSA wanted to keep it.

The Windows 10 ad platform is the biggest pleb filter to ever hit the tech sphere, you really have to be technically retarded to use it other than in a fucking VM.

>>60429229
Video Games

>>60436212
>usable
>without configuration
Using a DE is the same as configuring it.
There is currently no way to get your computer to read your mind, but changing a few hotkeys to make certain features more accessible and remove others is very easy.

If I had to use a window manager without any configuration, I would probably use kwin.
It has decent defaults, but is obviously much better if you configure it.
As for DE, I guess it depends on how recent you want your system.
If I were using a rolling distro, I would go with KDE, but if I were stuck on something more stable, I would go for mate (still with kwin, don't know if that counts as a "configuration")

But why not configure the DE?

>>60429229
No games.

>>60429229
>>Working driver support for almost all systems
will my closed source proprietary usb headphones work?

>>60436546
Hey, I use one

>>60429229
>working drivers

I can't even get my scanner to work.

>>60436513
>>60436958
stop spamming and BTFO

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>>60429229
Mail me at "[email protected]" if you have any questions.

Sadly, a kernel by itself gets you nowhere. To get a working system you
need a shell, compilers, a library etc. These are separate parts and may
be under a stricter (or even looser) copyright. Most of the tools used
with linux are GNU software and are under the GNU copyleft. These tools
aren't in the distribution - ask me (or GNU) for more info.

>>60429229
>still cant run adobe photoshop cc natively

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>>60429335

>>60437016
Adobe can't program for shit. So surprising with all the "great" software they made.

> inb4 its Linux's fault only everyone else can write software for it

>>60429276
nice played

>>60437016

>a kernel

>ABODE.jew

who's to blame?

>>60437254
No, Adobe just doesn't want to. There too few Photoshop customers using linux.

>>60429391
As long as it is open source it literally cannot be a botnet kid. That's the whole point of "free software." Sorry systemd broke you riced out custom set up but it was for the best.

>>60429276
>not using shitty bloated spaghetti-coded portage
>not wasting my time compiling
>not wasting my time installing the distro manually
>not wasting my time messing with hardly-tested (due to the tiny community) soft

>>60437200
>encrypted storage setup
they just never stops don't they

>>60437200
And why is this bad?

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>>60437467
it's a nasty parasite nesting into our beloved OS.
Once it is considered unreplacable, they can do whatever the fuck they want to all distros at oncce.

>why is taking aeay freedom of choice bad?

>>60437526
>implying systemd cannot be forked

>>60429536
any reason for your arguments or are you just a salty winfag?

>>60437586
>implying big projects can be forked when they are big, broken and essential to every part of the system
hey guise, look at all those awsome xorg forks

>>60437717
>implying there's a need to fork xorg

>>60437717
So would you like to have many implementations of xorg to mess with? I mean, it's so much fun to target 20 things instead of just 1, isn't it? Just like with all those distros and package managers.

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>>60429229
>no bloat
>has conky, tint 2, and a bunch of garbage at the bottom of his desktop
>COMPIZ
Ahahahaha

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>>60437586

>>60429229
>not fucked in the ass by NSA
Seriously, use linux but don't fall for this shit. Be vigilant.

>>60437354
Because Photoshop doesn't fucking run on Linux, it's an extremely retarded catch 22

>>60438422
Try wine

>>60439667
I don't use Photoshop.

>>60439697
ok

>>60435025
works fine on my machine

Linux is fine in all aspects compared to other OSes, what killed it for me was the shit support for HIDPI devices (Any screen > 1080p). A LOT of packages (GIMP, Eclipse, Audacity...) depend on GTK2 and you cannot use them without squinting. Maybe in 10 years those projects get ported to gtk3, who knows...

>>60441766
If I want to show my desktop on a presentation, I don't want to live debug GTK/Qt nor window scaling because the system doesn't know how to deal with it. That thing by itself made Linux a no go for me. I'm on osx and not having to deal with those stuff made me a happier person.

>>60441830
If you thinking of buying a Chromebook that is 13"~15" 2160p,+, to run Linux on it, remember that you'll most likely get frustrated on the same stuff that I'm whining about. For 13"~15" displays, stick to 1080p for your own good.

>>60441879
Search on Arch's wiki about that stuff and you'll be surprised that using dual monitors is almost impossible. If they have different ratios, you're fucked. Enough ranting, see you guys next thread

>>60441766
Linux is a kernel. It doesn't include packages like GIMP Eclipse or Audacity, not does it include GTK2 or GKT3.

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>>60429229
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

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>>60429229
>not having at least 3 OSes at your disposal

I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux

I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux

I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU+Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux

Using linux is like using faith, windows is a clearer picture of the cultural progression of mankind, well, you don't really have to be using it to know though hopefully, if you ever get lost, you can use windows for a bit, and realize why you have changed beyond it.

>>60429229
>use linux
>"not fucked in the ass by the NSA"
>doesn't realize if you've connected to the internet you're fucked with lube in a gangbang by the CIA and NSA

>>60442233
>>60442342
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

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>>60442161
>>60442177
>>60442183
>>60442190
>>60442362

>>60442431
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

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>>60442431
Cant decide on a linux distro to duel boot my laptop with alongside windows.

Is there a way to get a persistent linux install on a flash drive? Even if it's just a basic terminal and nothing else.

What distro? Would it play nice with a 4k touch screen?

Temple OS > Linux

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>>60442431

>>60442473
gentoo

>>60442473
>>60442490
GNU/Linux*

learn it already
Linux is a kernel

>>60442513
Linux can work perfectly fine without corelibs it's just not viable. Bitch at Redhat or Canonical about GNU/Linux

>>60442539
No it can't. You can do literally nothing with Linux on its own.

>>60442551
Android want's a word with you.

>>60442689
Android is a operating system using Linux.
It's not Linux on its own. Same with GNU.

>>60429229
>2017
>No bloatware
It's best not to equate all users under one banner.
>Working driver support for almost all systems
Using open-source driver on HP Skylake thing.
>Almost always faster then windows, faster then mac when well optimized
Not sure it'll help Windows users but look for debloat steps for Windows.
>Safest os
No OS is the safest. Maybe a prison-mode OS?
>Tons of software, lots of games
Getting it together, I would say.
>Stable as fuck
User dependency.
>Not fucked in the ass by the nsa
Can't try out coreboot since I'm on a laptop.
>Why are you not on linux /g/
Again. It's best not to equate all users under one banner.

Anyone here use qemu?

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>>60442431
rms is mr. total awkwardness

>>60429335
>Atleast we can see the source-code of those applications.
Did you compile it yourself? No, then you're not sure if you're not in NSA botnet

>>60435788

show proof

>>60443118
>show proof

>>60443209
>systemd.Send("ALL","microsoft.com:6582","5000")
In line 56
If you decompile it, you will see it

>>60443394
show proof

>>60429229
What about programs I use that don't have linux versions?

>>60443452
Bad luck.

>>60443432
I shown mine, if you're too delusional to even check it, you're good goi

>>60443488
I'm bad with your memes, but wcry is fact.

>>60443504
>I'm bad with your memes
It's not even a meme, just a retarded try to do it
> wcry is fact
Memes aside, if I'm alone in my network, and I don't use mail, how do I get it?

>>60443519
Ok, which binary, and which distro? I hope you don't assume every systemd package is the same.

>>60443452
Search for Linux alternatives.

>>60442473
> Is there a way to get a persistent linux install on a flash drive? Even if it's just a basic terminal and nothing else.
Yes, but don't because flash drives are more prone to getting lost, corrupting data with use over time, and so on. Not a good choice. Install to HDD/SSD.

> What distro?
Whatever the fuck you want to use. Sabayon or Mint maybe?

> Would it play nice with a 4k touch screen?
Probably. But IDK what touch screen you have.

>>60429391
>This leads to "Linux" becoming the laughing stock of Windows fans, as happened with Ubuntu a long time ago.

Yeah I can live with that.

>>60429337
>nasa

>>60437413
>Portage is bloated
I'll give you that one, but it's still the best package manager in terms of features.

>Wasting time compiling
>What are USE flags
>What are arbitrary instruction sets
>What is optimization
I bet your fancy Ubuntu can't be installed on aarch64

>Wasting time installing the distro manually
>What is freedom of choice
Also git gud

>Hardly tested
No, Gentoo is super stable.

>Tiny community
The community is pretty big and the documentation is incredible, probably even better than the Arch Wiki.

>>60430084
>2000 and fucking 17
>Not using DMA
There is your problem

>>60429229
>Tons of software, lots of games

And all of them are garbage.

>>60429437

>2017
>lying on the innernets when we all got google

>>60437365
kek, nice bait

>>60429229
Can we be friends?

>>60429229
>>2017
>>No bloatware
>>Working driver support for almost all systems
>>Almost always faster then windows, faster then mac when well optimized
>>Safest os
>>Tons of software, lots of games
>>Stable as fuck
>>Not fucked in the ass by the nsa
>Why are you not on linux /g/
Not safer than *BSD. Much safer than the others though.

>>60443177
see for youself

>>60429229
You know what it doesn't have?

https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/catalog/desktop.html

I don't hate Linux, I'm just comfy with macOS.

(︶ω︶)

>>60442431
Why is Linus such a dick to autistic people?

test

>>60442431
I'd never seen this rant/demolition. Thankyou for sharing.>>60442431

>>60429229
Although I agree with you, your desktop shows that you're completely ruining the point of Linux.

>no bloatware
>has 90 pieces of ugly bloatware installed optionally and thrown all over his desktop in 12 different fonts

>stable as fuck
>uses Arch

>not fucked in the ass by NSA
>bbc, engadget, gaurdian, slashdot news sources
>chromium running

>>60446666
Checked.

>>60429269
>what is auditing

>>60429229
What if I actually need to get shit done and need to use professional software for school, which run better on Windows ?

>>60446860
Just make sure you keep some bitcoins around.

>>60432530
Everytime I see this I want to understand what the fuck he means by "harmful". Was he just too autistic to live?

>>60429229
Can I use Linux without a programming background?

>>60447082
yes
>>60446860
dualboot
>>60446618
no
>>60446372
D U A L B O O T
>>60445426
Selinux+PAM+Cgroups+Hardening patches=What is getting hacked
>>60444947
Kek, see eclipse, lighttable, codeblocks, brackets, Aptana Studio, Pidgin, Telegram, Claws Mail, Jitsi, Hexchat, Chromium, qBitTorrent, teamviewer, uget, tor, keypass, tox, privoxy, gufw, Krita, Pinta, gimp, darktable, PhotoQt, Atraci, Miro, tomahawk, clemetine, smplayer, VLC, libreoffice, autokey, blender, wine, virtualbox, terminator, and many more, for games we have all the steam games for linux including stuff like half life 2, war thunder, tf2, tons of other stuff, flightgear, the list goes on, your point is invalid go get a job.

>>60446953
Don't you mean "update windows at least once every 3 months"?

I'll switch when ATMs update from Windows XP

Why am I not using Linux? The same reason nobody uses it.

Command line interface.

What's a good distribution to build a media center type PC around?

Ok.

Any distros without systemd already on Wayland?

Something newbie friendly?

Any distros without systemd already on Wayland?

Something newbie friendly?

>>60429229
>2017
>still using a disk-based unix shit
Why are you not on TempleOS?

>>60450309
this
>2017
>Not using an OS that spreads the glory of god

>>60429229
>still can't into proper dpi on macbook retina displays

Stay subhuman commie, no productive environment will use an OS that renders some of its elements only for ants

Why am I supposed to care if the NSA knows my browsing history.

>>60429229
>not Debian
> Op is a fag

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>>60430106
me

>>60436367
You don't need to compare something to something else to be able to tell that it's bloated.

>>60429229
It doesn't work on my laptop