/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>60396154
What's the best silent PSU for a single GPU build (550-650W I guess)? Not fanless and not necessarily with spindown but still quiet on idle.

>>60396269
Be Quiet PSUs tend to be decently quiet

>>60396154
What is /g/'s approved case? Why are cases without side windows generally more expensive than cases with them now a days, I want a case without a side window under 100 and preferably not made of cheap plastic, if it is made of plastic then I want it to look like a muted box, not some gamer shit. I also want good airflow.

>>60396329
the cheap window cases are cheaper because cheap windows are cheap
duh.

>>60396329
Watch a video about the Fractal Design Define R4, might be for you

I got a 1600x and plan to overclock it, what cooler should i get? Most liquid coolers i've seen require me to buy a separate bracket.

>>60396269
I built my computer about a year ago with a 650 watt EVGA SuperNOVA P2. I was originally looking at the G2, but found a good sale on the P2.
You can enable 'silent mode' on it, which only spins the fan if the PSU reaches a certain temperature. However, it is next to silent even with the fan running.

>>60396329
Why do you care so much about the looks?

60 degrees okay for gaming on i7 7700k? not OC'd

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>>60396154
>>R5 1500X will keep above 60fps in every game.
Incorrect. Quite a few like Ashes or WatchDogs2 cannot keep 60FPS; however those titles are rare and without a ridiculous CPU a locked 60 is impossible

>1050Ti/RX560 for ~$105.
Considering that the 460 cannot match the GTX1050, the 560 will not come even close to the 1050Ti. Your pricing standards are way off. 1050Ti would be a great deal at $105. The 560 might be OK at that price, depending on reviews.

>Must drop settings for 60hz if not Freesync/Gsync on many games.
I don't think you know how monitors work. Freesync does not magically increase the framerate. Even without Freesync you can turn off Vsync if the max framerate stays below 60, and if you have Freesync on a 60Hz monitor you'll still need a framerate limiter to keep the FPS below 60.

>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA and drop settings for some games
Wrong. The RX580 is not a 1440p card, at least if you want to play modern or future games. 8GB of VRAM doesn't magically provide ANY boost in raw power.

>1060 - Gets outperformed by the RX 580; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA)
Simply wrong. The cards are approximately equal

>1070 - usually not worth the extra cost for Gsync
An AMD fanboy wrote this. There currently is no AMD 1440p card, which is why he suggested the underpowered 580 for 1440p.

>1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings
The 1080Ti is generally a 4K card.

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>>60396416
Don't buy Liquid Coolers, you pay much more for 2 - 3° differences

>>60396573
What cooler? The 7700k does have heat issue, and if it's used to 70 ~ 80% (aka gaming) it's not surprising to see it at 60°C.

>>60396416
Usually the bracket is free. You'll just have to wait a few days for it.

Le Grande Macho if manufactured in 2017 comes with AM4 bracket in the box. So do 3 Noctua coolers that have -AM4 in the model name.
I got the Cryorig C1 myself. I think it's overpriced, but I like it. You can put a larger 140mm fan on it to make it even quieter and even more performant but it keeps my 1600X cool.

>>60396329
Rosewill SRM-01 and cut your own window. :^)
But idk. I like the Carbide 88r as well. That's a more premium one.
Fractal's are pretty good, but overpriced.

>>60396269
Silverstone are generally Seasonic's made to slightly higher spec, a handful of more features, that cost twice as much.
There is the Seasonic 520w fanless and there is a more expensive Silverstone version of it. I think another manufacturer also has their own rebadge of it as well.

>>60396577
i fucking hate you but you're right about everything. DAMNIT

>>60396573
Yes, 60C while at 50%+ load is reasonable.

>>60396588
he literally both a $6 AUD cooler that is based on a stock intel cooler

i don't know how long it will last
I'm planning on buying a cryorig h7 or c7 for my one

>>60396329
Fractal Design Define Mini C is the best case on the market.

>>60396577
SHILL OP BTFO!

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This the go to 500~ 1080p setup?

Also what h110 boards support kaby out of the box without update?

>>60396882
I don't know of any H110 boards with updated BIOS. If you find any report back please.

That PNY SSD is the old one and at this point isn't a good value. You need the one with the 3 in ID.

Need 2400MHz RAM.

>>60396577
you're free to edit the OP of the next thread

>>60396986
Oh I will--it will look like this >>60384887

>>60396994
No
You're free to edit the informations provided in the OP, but not to put your own links to websites that only you can edit
I don't know why you want to get full control of this general but you won't

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>>60396577
1500X will remain competive longer than an i5 simple because it has 8 threads to work with. See 2600k vs 2500k in todays games

1050ti is a card with a weird price its too close to the 570 but also too close to the 1050/560
the 560 is not just a OCed 460 it actually is a changed card unlike the other revisions. It is quite a bit faster in modern games compared to the 1050. Assuming the modern game is running a modern API like vulcan or DX12 ect

RX 580 will run 1440p games just with some setting adjustments. Not ideal but it will work. On that note the 580 is like the 560 as it performs better than the 1060 in newer API games thus will hold on to its performance better than the nvidia counterpart

Gsync should be fazed out or combined with freesync. No reason to dick consumers when a free alternative is available

Waiting on Vega numbers I expect 1080 performance for $349

>>60396935
Intel says the pentium only works with 2133
I assume it might be because its a motherboard issue?

>>60396577
>R5 1500X will keep above 60fps in every game.
>Incorrect
There wasn't enough room for "mostly" it's at 2000 characters. But it's close enough.
Ashes does have a CPU setting that you can turn down, unlike most games, that will get it running over 60fps.
Other examples are FO4 and Arma3 can dip under 60.
So yeah, like 3 games, 4 if you don't count not putting CPU on the "extreme" preset in Ashes.

>Considering that the 460 cannot match the GTX1050
Nope. The RX560 does match/beat the 1050Ti in some newer games. In some older ones? Yes it's more 1050 performance.
Also the review you're going by was probably the lowest power/clocks RX560 that'll be released.
You also have to consider Freesync cost.
Freesync/Gysnc are MUCH more of an issue with lower power cards where it's hard to keep above 60fps. You can get a 40-75hz Freesync monitor for under $110 at normal non-sale, non-refurbished prices. Gsync is another $50.

So ultimately that depends on someone's games or needs, which is why both are there for them to figure out.

>I don't think you know how monitors work. Freesync does not magically increase the framerate
no u

>Wrong. The RX580 is not a 1440p card, at least if you want to play modern or future games. 8GB of VRAM doesn't magically provide ANY boost in raw power.
It works well for CURRENT games.
Even in one of the worst examples for it, GR wildlands, the recent driver updates greatly increased performance. On medium-high you can mostly stick around 60fps at 1440p on it now.
There's only like 5 games that can't be played on very high or maxed 1440p 60fps on a high end RX580 model.
And that's mostly there because an 8GB RX580 is poor value for 1080p compared to an RX570 4GB. But sometimes 4GB RX580s go on sale.

>Simply wrong. The cards are approximately equal
RX580 is better on average, cheaper, and again, Gsync you dumb shill.
If Nvidia adopted the open AdaptiveSync standard, this wouldn't be a problem. Go bitch at them and not OP, fucktard.

>>60396994
>1500x, 1500x, 1500x
I think anything that isn't gaymen is really going to be noticeably better off going for a 6 core. Sure it's a matter of use but it's worth mentioning.

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>>60396577
>The 1080Ti is generally a 4K card.
But you JUST said you aren't allowed to turn settings down from maxed, and the 1080Ti can only run a handful of games at 4K 60fps+ maxed.
You say it's unacceptable that the RX580 8GB can't run 5 games max at 1440p at 60fps, but it's okay for the 1080Ti to not run 100+ games at 4K 60fps unless you drop settings to low-medium?

Why did you write all that just to BTFO yourself in the last line?

>>60396577
>I don't think you know how monitors work. Freesync does not magically increase the framerate
Not sure why you are being stupid on purpose but what is implied is that going under 60fps will show noticeable bad frame pacing on top of stutter, whereas with Freesync/Gsync both of those are not so much of an issue

>The cards are approximately equal
The Rx 580 has a slight lead, and considering the fact that both are priced the same & the 580 supports freesync, it's often a better choice

>The 1080Ti is generally a 4K card.
4k@60hz is hard to achieve even with a 1080ti, you'll have to drop a few settings just like "4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings" implies

>>60397033
>1500X will remain competive longer than an i5 simple because it has 8 threads to work with. See 2600k vs 2500k in todays games
Of course. I'm not recommending an i5. I'm just pointing out inaccuracies in the OP. These are my builds.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

>1050ti is a card with a weird price its too close to the 570 but also too close to the 1050/560
Completely agree, which is why the main builds jump from the 1050 to the 570. It's a "weird" card because it's the most power card that doesn't need anything but PCIe power.

>the 560 is not just a OCed 460 it actually is a changed card
A few extra CUs. Still won't catch the 1050Ti.

>It is quite a bit faster in modern games compared to the 1050.
Source? I just posted a summary which shows it behind.

>RX 580 will run 1440p games just with some setting adjustments
No one who buys a 1440p monitor wants to play on choppy medium or low in new games. Quit perpetrating this.

>>60397112
>These are my builds.
No one cares about your build
If you wanna do a build list do it in the wiki where everyone can edit at will

>>60396154
I hate the pc in the OP so much.
>reference card in a midtower
>not removing the unused hdd cage
>120mm rad in a mid tower
>c+ cable management

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So i bought pic related it is a HGST Ultrastar 7K4000 didn´t realise it has SAS interface. Can i use a sas to sata adapter? How fucked am i? What good use can I give to it?

>>60397112
It's 15% extra CUs, 15% higher clocks.
But yeah, no more ROPs so it's generally not a 30% performance increase over the 460.

It really depends.
Does someone want to play newer AAA games, and get a Freesync moitor, and play them at higher quality settings? Possibly to upgrade to a better GPU later that can still make use of Freesync (especially when Nvidia looks forced to adopt Freesync, now that it's being put in so many more monitors than Gsync AND into TVs. No one is going to buy a fucking Gsync TV)?
Then the RX560.
Do they play mostly older games that're easy to run 60fps+ on a 1050Ti like WoW or emulators but their iGPU isn't strong enough, or really well optimized ones like Overwatch that are Nvidia favored? Then 1050Ti.
But it's not worth buying Gsync for a 1050Ti generally. So it's a GPU for someone that can run on settings targeting 60fps+.
For the RX560, someone can run newer games on higher settings with a cheap Freesync monitor and dips to 40fps on those higher settings are perfectly fine and won't result in screen tearing.

Seems incredibly reasonable to me that BOTH are recommended. This isn't the case like the RX580 vs 1060 where there is a clear winner. Or RX570 vs 1060 3Gb where there is an even more clear winner.

>>60397193

>>60397028
Lmao

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>>60397225

>>60397112
Look at doom and sniper elite for example of modern API games

These are not "optimized" for amd they just are on more modern engine designs

For the RX 580 in 1440p its fine for some games. 30fps reasonable in some non competitive games or games based on visuals.
I would not buy a rx 580 to game on 1440p but it will work.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2908-sapphire-rx-560-pulse-oc-review-vs-gtx-1050/page-4

is cas latency really a big deal for ryzen or is it just a meme
14 costs twice as much as 16...

>>60397255
15 is fine
Get highest speed that is a reasonable price
dont pay more that 15% higher than the cheapest ass ram you can find

>>60397255
It's not cas latency but ram frequency
It does give a nice performance boost but it's mostly uneeded as long as you have 2400MHz

>>60397212
You're fucked.
SAS signals are different from SATA signals, even though they retain backwards compatibility with SATA controllers. That's why there are no SAS-to-SATA cables, because they are not meant to be backwards compatible. A SAS drive needs all eight pairs of signal paths found in this diagram
https://www.schematics.com/site_media/media/project/previews/20474-sassata-signal-repeater_2x.png
in order to function. SATA only takes two pairs, which is why SAS-to-SATA breakout cables exists in terminations of four. There is no way to convert for SATA cables into a single SAS cable either, since SATA cables can not distinguish pairs transmitted through its data cable.

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>>60397239
>look at these two games optimized for AMD

>>60397294
would 15 3000 or 16 3200 be better?

>>60397310
Here is what I was going to get:
https://jet.com/product/GSKILL-Ripjaws-V-Series-16GB-2-x-8GB-288-Pin-DDR4-SDRAM-DDR4-3200-PC4-25600-Inte/fd53935031984c62ae7ff055f2213bad

is this fine?

I7 6950x master race reporting in

>>60397325
Ty anon. That´s why I got it cheap in the first place.

>>60397381
You should go for 16 3200, it has slightly higher latency but the CPU will perform better thanks to the frequency increase
Unless it's much more expensive or something. Yes, the one you sent is good, though it's not a Samsung B die (so it'll have more difficulté reaching this frequency and might be a problem

My first ever build with a Ryzen 5 1600 & RX 580 playing 1080p.

I'm still not sold on 1440p, let alone 4K. I won't touch those resolutions until a low-mid graphics card could play at those settings at 120 fps to ensure perfect stability.

Maybe around 2020 i'll consider 4K... but now is just too soon.

>>60397459
Alright thanks

>>60397442
SAS drives aren't cheap. They're usually 120% or more of the MSRP of an equivalent SATA drive. The model you bought has a near-SAS version that has a SATA interface (all they did was change the interface on the PCB to accept SATA signals, the drive is exactly the same otherwise). You got the more expensive (and arguably better) model. You'll need to buy what looks like a SFF-8087-to-SFF-8482 cabling or an SFF-8087 cable to a compatible backplane and install up to four drives that way. You'll also need to buy a SFF-8087-equiped HBA or RAID adapter card.

>>60397381
They are roughly the same for Intel, but for AMD the 3200 16 would be better.
Intel CPUs care about the true latency, most of all. Ryzen cares much more about frequency and can run pretty loose timings.

>>60397403
$27 16 core Opteron master race reporting in.

>>60397475
Honestly, I don't think the average user necessarily need to think beyond 1080p. The only groups of people that should worry about it are those who need the real estate for their occupational software/workflows, or gaymers who love to pump money to max their shit out.

>>60397641
I've never used 1080p. Never will.
Fuck that garbage. How do you actually deal with only have 1080 vertical pixels?
If you go from 1920x1200 or even 1600x1200 to 1920x1080 it just feels fucking claustrophobic.
You can remove the title bar and put task bar vertical, but that just looks weird and uncomfortable.

1200 vertical pixels is the minimum.

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>>60397059
Any 200 series chipset with a Kaby Lake CPU can use 2400MHz. Z series can use faster

>>60397077
>R5 1500X will keep above 60fps in every game.
>There wasn't enough room for "mostly" it's at 2000 characters
How stupid are you? All you have to do is delete "above" and "every." Literal fucking moron, exaggerating for his favorite brand you corporate fucking cocksucker.

>So yeah, like 3 games
Lots more than that. I listed one you didn't; we could keep going with Mafia III and Ghost Recon Wildlands, etc

>The RX560 does match/beat the 1050Ti in some newer games
Yeah fucking right. Cherrypick much? I've posted performance summary here >>60396577; are you actually trying to tell me that 560 will overtake a (31 - 24) / 24 = 25% gap? Actually, I'm sure you are you cute little retard.

>GR wildlands, the recent driver updates greatly increased performance. On medium-high you can mostly stick around 60fps at 1440p
Pic related. You are a god damn retard. Are you seriously suggesting that medium will allow a 500-600% framerate increase with a few ~4% improvement driver updates? GET FUCKED RETARD

>>60397709
As in never used, I mean really used-used for more than a few days. I've TRIED it.

>>60397710
The games it doesn't keep above 60fps are ones like FO4 and Arma3 where a 5GHz 7700k can drop below 60 as well. It would take too long of an explanation beyond just saying "almost" or "all but 3 games" or whatever.
Dwarf Fortress is another exception, but you need a whole paragraph to explain the situation where it'd start chugging.
These are extreme edge cases.

>>60397710
>pic related
>LE DAY 1 BENCHMARKS before the afforementioned driver updates (probably beta, actually)
literally kill yourself.
I said at "medium" not "ultra quality", too.

This is why everyone hates you, dude. No wonder you have to samefag pretending to be someone else to defend yourself all the time. You're so fucking disingenuous. You completely disregard what people actually said to peddle your fake, slimy, manipulative bullshit.
No wonder you're such a shill with your logicalincrements site, given your "personality". I really hope you get punched in the face.

>>60397710
>All you have to do is delete "above" and "every."
Exceptions don't make the rule
No one says "muh no the GTX 1070 cannot into 4K" because it's false, you can if you drop the retarded default settings
Why don't you move over to /r/buildapc or something if you dislike pcbg so much?

Also
>RX 480 launch benchmarks
Yeah, kill yourself, you clearly have no fucking clue what you are talking about

>>60397093
My pcpartpicker is only gaming builds right now. Soon I'll try to add in other types of builds. I need to crowdsourse some NAS builds etc.

>>60397100
>You say it's unacceptable that the RX580 8GB can't run 5 games max at 1440p at 60fps, but it's okay for the 1080Ti to not run 100+ games at 4K 60fps unless you drop
Again, you're a fucking moron. No source, and the only one who believes you is you.

4K isn't for the faint of pocketbook.

>>60397216
>This isn't the case like the RX580 vs 1060 where there is a clear winner.
There isn't, moron. Shut up before I nail you floor with facts.

>>60397743
>The games it doesn't keep above 60fps are ones like FO4 and Arma3
Holy shit, I've listed many others. How dense are you? And I started all this by saying that in a lot of those games a ridiculous CPU is required to keep 60FPS. I'm pointing out the clear FANBOY INACCURACIES in the OP.

>>60397789
Do you not know how to read? I said
>Are you seriously suggesting that medium will allow a 500-600% framerate increase with a few ~4% improvement driver updates?
You hate me because you're a fucking moron and I shit down your throat

>>60397812
No one says "The 1070 can keep ABOVE 60fps at 1440p in EVERY game" because it isn't true. You are a god damn fucking moron, and you wonder why I completely brought the OP back to a previous state. Let me spell this out for you:

IT'S BECAUSE THE CURRENT MAINTAINERS OF THIS THREAD HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE, as I've proven again and again.

Are SSD prices going up too, like RAM prices are going up?
What's the chances of it coming DoA? I don't really want to try it out on my current filthy system, I don't want to taint it.

>>60397879
SSD prices aren't really going up, but they're plateaued over the past few years.

>What's the chances of it coming DoA
Idk. Can only give anecdotes there which are useless. <10% but I don't know how much less.

> I don't really want to try it out on my current filthy system
Linux live image.

>recommending the g4560 when the g4620 is 7% better and more available

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>>60396154
This is sort of an anti build related question but u want to completely sell my current desktop. What's the best way about doing it and how do I acuratly set a price for it/it's parts

>>60397862
>IT'S BECAUSE THE CURRENT MAINTAINERS OF THIS THREAD HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE, as I've proven again and again.
Sorry lad but although you raise a few good points, you completely throw that away by forcing your opinions on us using pcpartpicker & logicalincrement links

And it's not even decent opinions even: R5 1600 is 90% of the performance of any i5, r7 is worthless, or lots of other dumb shit you keep saying

If the people of this general don't want you here then you have no reason to stay, you're not helping any of us, you're just creating drama and more drama & misleading people

The current OP will keep being refined every few threads, as it has always been the case, but don't count on us to accept yours when the current one we have, even though it has a few errors in it, convey much more information & is much more useful to new users than your links are

>>60397907
>Linux live image.
I meant the computer, I built it when I was a retard. No dustfilter, extremely loud, the whole case vibrates often. I just hate my physical computer so much right now.

>>60397930
You don't dumbass. Or try craigslist or sell all the parts on fleabay

>>60397862
>My pcpartpicker is only gaming builds right now. Soon I'll try to add in other types of builds.
Why do you want to do this on a pcpartpicker and not the wiki?

>>60397931
I saw a r7 1700x and Mobo for $300 on CL
So epic can't get have too many builds

>>60397973
wat

>>60397931
>And it's not even decent opinions even: R5 1600 is 90% of the performance of any i5, r7 is worthless, or lots of other dumb shit you keep saying
I never said any of that, retard. LOOK at my builds. ALL of the builds that are based on the 1500X have a note in the description that suggests an upgrade to the 1600 and an aftermarket cooler.

>If the people of this general don't want you here
Fuck off nigger. I'm an elitist, not a populist. You can take that "oh pwease kind sirrah we are so happy in our error" shit and force it back up your asshole.

Your other opinions are nothing but shit as well. Again, I was here before you if you don't remember the OP that I'm posting. Let that sink in. I was the first poster to remove Logical Increments until it was properly updated.

>>60397961
I don't want fucking morons editing the builds. Previously I've invited anons to don a trip and post. If I find them to be reasonable I'll give them access to help me curate. No one ever took me up on it.

>>60397926
>7% better
>40% more money
It is recommended... if on sale.
Why do you say this every thread only to get the same answer that's also answered in the OP?

>>60397930
See what similar goes for on ebay.
If it's a complete system, you can sell it for slightly higher on craigslist than the individual parts if it still games well and stuff.

>>60397931

>>60397961
Additionally the pcpartpicker website is designed around creating builds, so it's easier than a wiki.

>>60398106
A wiki is designed around anyone being able to modify it, which pcpartpickers doesn't allow
It may be easier but a wiki is superior, considering you can do pretty good looking build lists on wikis

>>60398066
>I don't want fucking morons editing the builds.
And i don't want you being the only one to edit the build or choose who can edit the build
No one really cares about what you want. You may have noticed the backlash that you've gotten trying this, it's because people here do not want your OP but you, and only you, keep trying to force it down on us. Your OP clearly isn't welcome anymore here, although it was in the past, and for good reasons. Why stick to it?

>Again, I was here before you if you don't remember the OP that I'm posting. Let that sink in.
That's the most epic argument i've ever seen
"I was there before you so i'm allowed to turn this thread into shit"

>Fuck off nigger. I'm an elitist, not a populist.
cool

>>60396360
>R4
>not R5
what fucking year do you live in?

>>60398167
The R5 costs $110 which is over the budget, the R4 is still a great case even after all this time, and is much cheaper.

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>>60398163
>Why stick to it?
Because the current maintainers are clueless and the current OP is obviously a fanboi fiction.

My rig was an FX6350 and a 280X; now it's a 6350 and a 4GB 470. I love AMD more than the next guy, but the current OP is out of hand, rife with errors.

I'm new here
My knowlegde in pc is baby tier
Here is my baby profile:
Asus B150 pro gaming mother board
Asus gtx 1070
Akasa phantom 1000 w power supply
I7 (dont remember generation)
Cooler master cooler cpu (too lazy to check model)
Silver artic thermal paste
To coward to assemble all this expensive pc stuffs, ask the store to do it for me
Hit me !I'm here for (you)s

Why every pc expensive components have edgy names and box art design? Except the cpu

>>60396269
Prime Fanless from SeaSonic

>>60398338
Also forget:
32 gb ram king stone
Aoc gaming monitor
Ssd + hd

>>60398066
>I don't want fucking morons editing the builds.
this stims from a greater problem of why everyone hates you.

You have many people posting these generals. I know it's not the same person because I post them occasionally. I know there are a few that have a propensity to edit them certain ways. And there's a different theme of pictures that people use.
Not to mention, sometimes these threads go fast lately, sometimes just a few hours, and no one is awake 24/7.
These generals are a collaborative effort.

But then there is you. Mister "this is MY GENERAL. My SHILL POST". Fuck off.

Maybe you shouldn't have built a livelihood off shilling to 4chan and making your shilling so obvious is this is so important to you that it turns you into this slimy, whining sperg when you don't get things your way.
I hope you're really not that Falcon guy that made logicalincrements. You're just further discrediting that site when it could be fixed up instead. Its reputation at least hasn't been tainted on reddit yet, but I'm sure it'll quickly follow suite.

>>60398285
>the current OP is out of hand, rife with errors
Then fix it with actual fights just like we all did instead of throwing a tantrum and wanting to be the only one to have power over it
https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/_/search/subject/%2Fpcbg%2F/
Just look at how much it changed in the past 10 days. People change it everytime but no one is autistic enough to post links of websites only he has accesses to

No one will mind a complete overhaul of the current OP, but putting your own links in there is way too much

>>60398338
>Akasa phantom 1000 w power supply
Bad choice, way overkill for what you have, pure waste of money
Can't comment on the rest because you're not bothering to give actual model of parts which is the most important thing

asked yesterday but got too drunk and passed out.

I bought this PC:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dell-Optiplex-9010-Core-i7-GEN3-3770-SFF-3-3GHz-8GB-500G-W10P-COA-USB-3-0-/252775598443?hash=item3ada99896b:g:i2AAAOSw32lYp1dH

and threw this in:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MSI-nVidia-GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti-OC-4GB-GDDR5-Gaming-Graphics-Video-Card-HDMI-DP-/232285363998?hash=item3615495f1e:g:UZUAAOSwmgJY2fE7

PC cost me 240 USD GPU was 167 USD for a grand total of 407 USD

what's my next upgrade? Should I use my tax return in july to build new? (Australian btw)

>>60398418
Throw a 256GB SSD in there, and a 1TB 7200rpm hard drive. I'm fairly sure that 500GB HDD must be 5400rpm.
Also, a more reliable PSU would be much appreciated. Prebuilt PSU are really shit, and although a 1050Ti doesn't use much power that PSU is really not to be trusted for future upgrades

>>60398403
this.
No one minds it changed as long as the OP is ACCEPTABLE and reasonably unbias. It's changed a lot.

If it's changed to shill logicalincrements, which many /pcbg/ regulars (reasonably) hate, and to shill a not very great list of builds, people won't like it.
Then to just sperg out as a result to people not liking it with manipulative and disingenuous bullshit just makes people more upset.

Or that guy can just leave. He's not helpful. pcbg was going fine until he came back to try and shit it up again.

>>60398403
Some times I have heart attacks when my pc do not boot when I press the power buttom
I don't if its the motherboard or its the power supply
Actually I wanted a corsair 800w

>>60398669
>Actually I wanted a corsair 800w
That's also way overkill, a 500w CPU would run that perfectly well

>when my pc do not boot when I press the power buttom
When that happens, can you boot it a few seconds after? Are you sure it's not the button of your case?

>>60398697
Sometimes this happens but in past 3 months never happened again
How knows what happened

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how much will a powdered ABC fire extinguisher fuck up electronics?

i cant afford a dedicated carbon monoxide one right now

>>60398459
>pcbg was going fine until he came back to try and shit it up again.
Go cry in your corner, faggot.

>>60398403
>wanting to be the only one to have power over it
I'm only a curator / maintainer. But I'm not going to give morons and fanbois an equal vote. Their opinions are worth nothing,and their votes won't be counted. Why the fuck would I even be bothering to do this if the current maintainers were halfway decent? The fact is that I left when I lost interest, but I knew that one particular dummy who couldn't find the shift key would take over. Unfortunately I just didn't give a shit at the time, so I let it happen by default. And here we are, morons shitting up my /g/.

>>60399063
>shitting up my /g/.
This isn't your general, this isn't your board.
If we don't want of you then we'll make sure your threads get deleted. Try to work on the OP instead of pissing us off on purpose.

Damn I haven't visited in a while and that OP is still at it shilling AMD in full autism mode? What the FUCK are you doing with your life? I bet you're just doing this out of some stupid misplaced pride or some shit and not even getting paid for it. That's fucking sad.

>>60399106
There isn't only one person creating the threads, i've been counting 5 in the past two weeks.
If you disagree with the current OP, point the things you find wrong.

>>60396154
PPP list doesn't fit on one screenshot on my laptop so here's the basics

Main shit
>i7 6700k
>Cooler Master 212 Evo
>EVGA GTX 1070 SC
>16GB of 2133MHz DDR4 in 8GB DIMMs (Dual channel)
>MSI Z170A Gaming M5 Motherboard
>EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ fully modular PSU
>NZXT Phantom 820 (black)

Storage
>250GB Samsung 850 Evo SSD
>2TB WD Black 7200 RPM 3.5" HDD
>512GB m.2 ADATA SSD (SATA, it was only ~$100 for the storage size)

Monitors
>BenQ 27" 1920x1080 60Hz
>Asus 27" 2560x1440 144Hz

Other shit
>Corsair K70 RGB Lux with reds (should've gotten brown I know)
>SteelSeries Rival 700
>Basic bitch $11 Asus optical drive
>Windows 10 home

>>60399106
The only shilling going on here is the shilling of shitogicalincrements.

>>60399144
why don't you send the link?

>>60399163
I forgot about that lel

>>60399144
What is this for exactly?
Also send link, we need to know price

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TxJvFd

Coming from a I5 4590 wondering if it is worth it or just wait for the next zen cpu's.

>>60399400
its definitely worth it. And zen 2 or whatever it will be called won't be out any time soon.

When are those hack frauds at Nvidia going to announce the 1100 line?

>>60399400
It's a decent upgrade but if you feel your i5 is still enough for you right now you should wait for Zen2
You can always upgrade in a few months anyway if you do suddenly feel the need to

Can you gaymer newfag plebs get off of 4chan and discuss this somewhere else? People like you are ruining /g/. /g/ is no place for gaymer faggots.

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>>60396154
I am aware that, in an attempt to clean up and correct the /pcbg/ OP, I have stirred up consternation among a few regulars. Here is your chance to contribute to a new OP.

So far there are two links that are universally approved by the copy-pasters: www.pcpartpicker.com and https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC. Both fine links, but both lack /g/ approved builds.

There is a long tradition on /g/ of posting example builds for other anons' benefits. Logical Increments was born from this trend. Logical Increments helped me personally, and for that I am quite grateful; however, it wasn't perfect. After having strong interest in PC hardware for some time, I created the pcbg pcpartpicker (which itself has not attained perfection) in order to continue to improve upon the foundation that LI began: i.e., minimalist tiered builds.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

Please suggest improvements, but make sure that you source your claims.

Already on the to-do list:
>Decide whether to replace the Zalman mini tower; evaluate potential case candidates
>Replace the Corsair 200R with a minitower
>Convert the upgradable entry level build to miniATX
>Add builds, including NAS, emulator, HTPC, liquid cooled mITX, and video editing workstation

I would particularly like suggestions on the Zalman case replacements. Criteria:
>windowless
>black or neutral
>no LEDs
>minitower
>30-50USD

In addition to the pcbg pcpartpicker, the OP should contain a second tiered build list as an outside opinion. Right now the only one that I'm aware of is LI, so please post LI replacement recommendations.

>>60399150
Was logicalexcrements too obvious?

>>60399503
Can you eat my ass already

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rJ9hr7
How's my build?

>>60399105
>we
Who are you to speak for anyone else, retard? Anyway "your" thread got deleted earlier today >>60385047

>>60399557
Quit shitposting retard. Ignore trolls like the person you replied to.

>>60399536
>Please suggest improvements
not make it so that only you can modify it
I don't want to wait for you faggot to be awake to send my request nor need your approbation for it to be there
If you don't understand how having all this power in one person is wrong just because it would be you then you are not fit for making changes to this general

>Anyway "your" thread got deleted earlier today
That's the second time you accuse me of being someone else
Why don't you understand that it's not one guy that doesn't want of your links but instead multiple people? Didn't all the responses you got in this thread make it obvious?

>>60399564
What is it for exactly?

>>60399609
games like Doom, Witcher 3, Overwatch, quake champions, dark souls 3.

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I just bought an ASUS Strix 1070GTX OC, did I screw up?

>>60399602
"Your" in quotes means the OP you want. It was deleted, while my thread remained until it hit the bump limit.

Don't make empty threats. You're not getting any of my threads deleted, m|2. l33t anoneemouse.

>I don't want to wait for you faggot to be awake to send my request
Hardware doesn't move that fast. The reason I left originally was that there just wasn't anything interesting happening in the hardware scene after Polaris was released. Now that Ryzen is out and most of the bugs have been fixed, we can set up a builds that will stay unchanged until the release of new hardware. Which is what I did.

>all this power in one person is wrong
Clearly leaving it to the unwashed masses ended in a worse outcome. Your idealism is sweet, but grow the fuck up.

what are some good power supplies? Is seasonic still the best?

>>60399602
Anyway, here's your chance. Do you even have a case recommendation or are you all hypotheticals?

I want to get the dopest gaming build with $300. I've never built a computer but I want a cheap gaming rig. Originally I was gonna get a prebuilt and slap a graphics card but I wanted to see what you crafty anons could tell me

AM4 mITX MOTHERBOARDS WHEN

>>60399317
gaming pc as well as trying to learn code shit to run twitch bot on because I don't want to buy a sever

>>60399731
One is out, gigabyte and asrock is june/july.
It's a painful wait.

i did it /pcbg/..... i ordered the parts
theres no going back now

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>>60399620
An R7 1700 is not for gaming only builds, it's more for mixed usage / workstations. You're not gonna make use of the 8 cores for gaming, so i'd recommend to drop to an R5 1600. 4 cores 4 threads is often a bottleneck and reach 90+% usage (i5), 8 cores 16 threads won't be fully used for gaming nor come anywhere near it (R7 1700), the sweetspot is the 6 cores R5 1600 which doesn't reach a bottleneck in game but is actually used, but still has lots of room left for any other application open (50 - 60% usage while gaming).

The mobo is also pretty overkill, unless you need xfire / SLI or more PCIe lanes, you should drop that to a b350 one, they are good.

That RAM is also pretty expensive, which makes sense because it's high clocked Samsung B-die (those that can reach higher clocks than Hynix one on Ryzen), but again i doubt it is actually needed. Reaching 3200MHz on a 3200MHz Hynix kit isn't that rare, and lower frequency is fine. The performance boost you'd get from $170 ram is lower than the performance boost you'd get with $120 ram and a $50 cooler.

I'm fairly sure you could find 1TB SSDs at lower price, though not Samsung ones.
And going for a black edition 580 is also not very cost efficient. Sure, they are binned for the highest clocks, but the performance boost isn't really worth $50.

I doubt this PSU is fit for you. It's a 80+ Titanium PSU which are much more power efficient than 80+ Gold, 80+ Silver or 80+ Bronze. You should drop that to a 600w 80+ Bronze, it usually doesn't make sense to go Titanium unless you have a good reason for it.

With all that money saved you could up that to a GTX 1070 and get a much better gaming experience thanks to a much stronger card.

>>60399732
If it's coding you're doing, going for an R5 1600 would give you lower compilation times, pic related. At a lower price even, and no need for a cooler.

>>60399687
I'm not gonna do the work for you lad, it's your list after all

Guess what this machine is for and you'll win absolutely nothing
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M8pZd6

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>>60396693
DO SOMETHING, MY EYES

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Hey, my new graphic card is not working. People asked for some pictures to check the connections if they were fine.

I think maybe maybe the new graphic card cant go fully down thanks to that piece of metal in the motherboard. Besides that, I dont know what to do.


http://imgur.com/a/XULpb

>>60399815
You mean it can't go down fully in the PCIe slot?
Then yeah that could most likely be the reason why it isn't working

>>60399842

I dont know if thats the case since the thing is so big I cant see it properly but I think the heat sink maybe be touching it. The secure goes up so when I put it so I dont know.

What would be other explanation of a card not booting? The motherboard may be too old?

>>60399868
Maybe the PCIe slot isn't working, maybe the card is broken, maybe you plugged the cable in the wrong place, maybe it's the hdmi / dvi / whatever you use port of the card that is broken
could be anything, really

VEGA WHEN!?!?!?!?
MY COMPUTER IS FUCKING DYING ON ME I CANT WAIT MUCH LONGER.

>>60399722
No can do. With new parts you'd have to spend about $400
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/Jhyf7P

>>60399669
At this point any of the name brands are fine. They all have protection built in to prevent your other components from getting fried. Just pick one with a 3-5yr warranty

>>60399564
Need an aftermarket cooler. If those prices are in burgers, almost everything is too expensive for what you're getting.

If you're just playing a few games, grab a 1500X and upgrade later to an eight core when the later revisions are out (higher clocks, better power consumption, features).

>>60399400
Personally I'd wait. Anyway that build is a little wack, particularly the PSU. The cooler probably needs an AM4 adapter.

>>60399144
Get 3000MHz RAM

>>60399893
its gonna flop. go with nvidia

>>60399898
I got a good deal on the psu.

Does this build look okay

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dNtVXH

Gonna be used for programming/video encoding with light gaming. I already have the GPU and PSU from an older rig so I'd rather not swap those unless it's necessary.

>>60399892

The PCI is working since I am using it with another card right now. The card fans spin so its not the cable fault. I am using the same hdmi cable right now too.

If the card is broken I would literally kill myself, I bought it in another country

>>60399912
Im not paying a $300 premium on a variable refresh panel tyvm.
Plus I hate having to flash custom bios just for 1.3volts.

>>60399935
Have you tried using the card's DVI, VGA or displayport?

>>60399934
Almost identical to what I plan on building.
Now are you making me insecure my computer is gonna be to fucking basic/generic.

>>60399934
Could save money by going for a non-samsung SSD but looks good

>>60399941
buy nvidia NOW

>>60399778
>I'm not gonna do the work for you lad, it's your list after all
Put up or shut up.

>>60399943

I might try to do that tomorrow, no vga port so I would need to borrow one tomorrow

>>60399966
no

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>>60399985

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>>60400037

>>60396154
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WJ63XH
>Purpose
Gaming
>Budget
~$1k
>Games/software
esports (cs:go&dota), roguelikes and emulators
>Resolution
1440p/60hz

>>60400078
fairly sure you could find cheaper just as good RX 580 but otherwise looks good

>>60399958
Go ahead and switch to intel CPU if you're woried about that :^)

I just want to play video games but i feel like a retard looking at this computer shit. I can do a build but i dont know a whole lot about software shit and compatibility. Help me?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DbBsf8

>>60400164
You probably want higher frequency RAM with Ryzen, it's not much more expensive anyway

>>60400164
>$8 cooler
the stock cooler is better than the bad one you posted
you might want to check on the motherboard's website if that specific no-name ram is supported. And Ryzen loves higher frequencies RAM, performs decently better the higher it is, so you might wanna get higher clocked RAM.

b350 motherboard aren't that much more expensive and all of them allow for overclocking, it might be a good idea to get one if you end up wanting to overclock in the future.

>>60400164
Get an ASRock board instead, if it's b350.
Stock cooler on 1600 is probably better than that other cooler.
2x4gb leaves no room for upgrade, as both your slots are taken.

Ryzen is pretty sensitive to RAM, so you want faster RAM, and/or double sided ram, like ballistix sport LT.

>>60400164
A similar skeleton: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/CmDHxr
B350 chipset is better. OC + fast RAM. If you want the 1600, get a better cooler.

>>60400223
>If you want the 1600
if you want to oc*

>>60399503
Fuck off already.

>>60396154
Purpose: Gaming
Budget: $500 - $600
Country: Indonesia
Games: Witcher 3, Elder Scrolls 5, Banished, Rimworld, some Visual Novels, PCSX2, Dolphin Emulator, PPSSPP, DeSmuME, Roguelikes, RPG Maker games.
Software: ArcGIS, Inkscape, Photoshop, MPC, Sony Vegas.

Currently I'm using a multimedia laptop.
It's powerful enough for Witcher 3 with the lowest setting and stable 30FPS.
I want to send all my games and "heavy" softwares to PC and use the laptop for work.

>>60400223
So this is the same power of computer, but do i need anything else? And do i really need a ssd?

>>60400306
No but it's always enjoyable to have

How much better binned is the 1600x vs 1600?
I will push either as hard as I can go. Just curious if $40 is worth the better ticket in the silicon lottery.

>>60400296
Forgot to mention.
I don't understand how to build PC so I can't pick.

>>60400338
/g/ is not your personal tech support. Try fucking googling.
Come to us when you have questions, not to spoonfeed you.

Whats the coolest looking CPU cooler? was thinking of getting an H7 but I dont like the white fan and Itll cost me another $20 to get a better looking one.

Black/grey/Red colour scheme.

>>60400348
Sorry. I don't know.
Fine, I'll try to understand shit.

>>60400379
the op contains basic informations about worthwhile CPU & graphic cards

>>60399564
>>60399620
Agree with the other.
Using the stock cooler with a $200 board makes no sense.
And why not get a 1440p 144hz IPS? That graphics card will do 1440p fine enough, and you can upgrade to an even better GPU later while having all the other supporting components.

But really you should probably just go with a 1600 and cheaper board if all you're doing is playing games.

>>60399815
... no idea. Uhhh are you trying to put PCIe card into an AGP slot? Your PC is pretty ancient.

>>60399893
>>60399941
June 6th or 13th is my guess. But that'll just be for the expensive one. The cut down card probably won't arrive for 3-4 weeks later.

>>60399934
Solid. Though I'd get mATX board/case, and a 500GB+ SU800 or MX300 for $20-$30 more than that 250GB SSD.

>>60400078
>esports (cs:go&dota), roguelikes and emulators
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WJ63XH
Insanely overkill GPU. That does 250FPS+ at 1440p maxed in CSGO. Just get an RX570. If you get a 144hz monitor, you'll still be good with that for what you play.

Hell, with what you play you could get a $650 PC, and get a nice 1440p 144hz ips with the $400 left over.
Even a RX560 is good for about 200fps in CSGO at 1080p, so I think it should hit around 144 at 1440p.
Dota2 requirements aren't much higher.

>>60400296
Witcher 3 is a demanding game on that list. You'll have to turn down settings on your budget. But you did just say lowest settings and 30fps.
What are the price differences between the 1500X, i7-7700, and i5-7600 (non-k) in your country?
And yeah, look at videos on how to put a PC together.

>>60400376
I think the Cryorig C1 is the nicest looking, though it's overpriced. Or the Be Quiet Solid Rock or whatever it's called that's dark and has the steps to it.

>>60400327
It's pretty much the difference between an R7 1700 & a 1800x
The 1800x can hit 4 - 4.1GHz for sure whereas the R7 1700 for the most part cannot
No, it's not really worth $40, but it's not that bad of a value either

>>60400424
I haven't really seen anyone unable to hit 4GHz @ 1.35-1.4v on the 1600.
I'm not sure if it's that they're binned better than 1700, I think it's just that BIOS updates have regulated voltage better and most 1700s are like that now as well.
With a 1600X, you might hit like 4.1-4.15. 1800X seemed binned a bit better and sometimes(rarely) hit 4.25 at under 1.4v.

I see a lot of people getting the same clocks on a 1600X that someone gets on a 1600, but that could be due to their board.
I really think the main reason to get a 1600X is because:
a. you don't want to overclock
b. it was on sale and you wanted a different cooler anyway
Don't get it because you think it's significantly better binned.

Are there any air coolers that beat out the cryrorig r1 ultimate?
Ones that come to mind would be silver arrow ib-e, nh-d15, Grand Le macho, but maybe there's something else. Also considering just smacking some industrial noctua or ty-143 on as well

>>60400413
>Solid. Though I'd get mATX board/case, and a 500GB+ SU800 or MX300 for $20-$30 more than that 250GB SSD.

I like Samsung because of their reliability, but the MX300 looks good too. Is the M2 interface better than SATA?

>>60400877
It's SATA either way unless you get an actual NVMe that offers no real world benefits for you.
The MX300 is more reliable, if anything. The ADATA is very reliable too. I wouldn't have recommended them if there were any real drawbacks. They're just 1-5% slower is all while being far cheaper.

Best mobo and cooler for Ryzen? I'm planning on building a new pc when vega comes out

>tfw computer is starting to show its age, but can't justify replacing it yet (let alone afford it)
I've OC'd my shit too, but my 290 is barely stable at stock settings, so I'm pretty much at the limit

Vega when

>>60401071
if you want the best you pick the priciest
now if you want something cost efficient it depends entirely or you needs. Do you intend to OC? How far? Do you live in a hot country? Are you sensitive to noise?
Are you gonna SLI/Xfire? How long do you want that motherboard to last?

>>60401163

I live in SoCal so I want to liquid cool, but idk if it's a good idea since I don't know much about it (yet).

Definitely don't have enough money for SLI.

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>be me
>upgrade to 32GB RAM
>leave 2000 firefox tabs open
>RAM usage still below 30%
>mfw

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/NdNXBP

Do people reckon that build could power a 2k screen at 144hz?

how much slower would my computer be if i went from a 4770K/GTX780 to a R5 1600/RX580?
also can a RX580 run dual 1440p?

>>60396154
>picture of 5 year old components
C'mon OP, don't you get paid for this? Step it up!

>>60396154
help me settle this pcbg
r5 1500x or i5 7500? they are the same price in my country.

>>60401230
Up that to an R5 1600 instead of CPUs that reach 100% usage

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>>60401194
>upgrade to 32gb of ram
>it's not enough

>order RX 570 gpu Wednesday
>backorded should be in stock Monday
>check again today
>estimated in stock June 1

What the fuck BH

>>60401250
>that reach 100% usage
in gaymes

>>60401207
RX580 will be faster, obviously? By a lot.
the CPU will be faster in some cases, and about the same in others unless you overclock that 4770k.

>>60401204
No. Like the OP says, not even a 1080Ti is going to do a consistent 144+ at 1440p. 90-144.
That 90 is more like 1% lows or extremely poorly optimized games. Plus there's some games that are just engine limited and shittily programmed to not go very fast. You will hit 144 or close to it on a good deal.

>>60401194
>>60401257
>be me
>upgrade to 32GB of RAM
>258GB in use

>>60401230
1500X, obviously. It's at least 30% better on average. Worst case is that you get the same average FPS, but with lots of left over power to spare for other shit and better minimums.

im going to be going from this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/barkinos98/saved/KRQvK8
to this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2LJFhq

do i do it? can it run dual 1440p? is R5 slower than the 4770k?
in all honesty on a single 1080p the system is doing me well

>>60401298
The 4770k can be faster in a good deal of games with an overclock.
The 1600 at 4GHz will be much better than the stock 4770k, especially with the minimums.

And don't get the Red Dragon. Get the Red Devil.
But no, it won't do high end games at 2 monitors at 1440p except for like CSGO. It'll do one. You need a 1080Ti for 2x1440p gaming. I dunno why you'd want to game on two monitors, though, unless you just mean one playing youtube or some shit while you game on the other, then yes an RX580 8GB + 1600 overclocked is good. You'll have to drop settings on a handful of games, but for 99.95% of them you're fine.

>>60401347
>The 4770k can be faster in a good deal of games with an overclock.
Not by much though

>>60401347
what about single monitor though?
i can play GTA5 almost maxed out on single 1080p on the 780. id prefer not to downgrade that much lol

would a 1070 be fine for single 1440p gaming?

>>60401289
So if a 1080 can't run a 2k 144hz screen completely properly, would it still be smoother than a 1080p 144hz or choppy because its not getting full fps?

>>60401347
also me again, i can do either dual 25" 1440p or a single 29" 1080p. is there a reason these are bad? id love to use a 21:9 since i want dual because of screen estate and nothing else

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-4-core-benchmarks-intel-core-i7-7700k/

1800X 16-15-15-35 1T
7700K 16-16-16-35 2T
Even with inferior timings it had better results

winrar 43% vs 20% HT
1800X has stronger MT in cinebench

>>60401408
A decent RX580 does ~90+ FPS in GTA5 at 1080p and 60+ at 1440p. You can overclock it to better keep above 60.
It's not a huge upgrade over a GTX 780, except in vulkan/dx12/AZDO.

A 1070 will be better, yes. Not by much in some vulkan/dx12/AZDO games, though, but a lot in some other cases. Might even be lower in some cases until Nvidia get their driver fixed on Ryzen.

>>60401453
why the fuck would you do 29" 1080p? that's going to look awful.
i dont get why the hell you'd game on dual monitors. you'll have a fucking line going down through the middle wtf.

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>>60401471
Thing is that the 7700k is clocked much higher, that's it's main advantage: being able to clock much much higher

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Behold, my first build. A large pile of poorly spent money and fallen-for memes. This is the reason I give advice in this general. Feel free to poke fun/ call me a faggot.

>>60401489
when did you buy this?

>>60401504

everything but the 1080 in March of 2016

>>60401475
no no id be gaming on single 1440p but the machine basically needs to be able to run it.
ill probably end up with getting just one 1440p for now. i dont have time to game anyway

>>60401511
Why did you buy a 1440p 144hz if a 1080 can't run it?

>>60401425
>So if a 1080 can't run a 2k 144hz screen completely properly
it can run it fine if it has Gsync, since it's not going to get 144fps in every game. Not even close.

Even an RX580 will do 250fps at 1440p in CSGO. But not every game runs like CSGO. In other games it gets 60, or less in some newer ones maxed out.

>>60401499
At least your SSD is pretty good. I'd burn the rest to attempt to destroy the memories of bad decisions, though.
Though a year ago, I guess buying an 8350 was better value than buying an i5-6400 for newer games. Still pretty awful.

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>>60401527
actually, I snagged the SSD later on a sale. I originally had the pile together without an SSD cuz "muh $800 budget".
This is what I'm running now. ignore the discrepancy between CPU cooler prices.

>>60401521

it runs it fine. it can't get games all the way up to 144 obv

>>60401527
60hz is inferior for games like CSGO as a rule though isn't it?

>>60401590
> 250fps at 1440p in CSGO

>>60401611
Yeah, it would look sick, but would it look as smooth as a 144hz 1080p monitor that is playing at 600fps?

>>60401632
Samefag here

What I'm getting at is: Would a 1080p 144hz monitor be better to play games like CSGO than a 1440p 144hz monitor (because I can't get full 144)?

Another thing you can do, if you don't want to pay the Gsync idiot tax, is get a 144Hz 1440p freesync monitor. Get a 1070, OC it if needed, and in your Nvidia settings you can FPS limit to 72fps.
72fps on 144hz won't screen tear.
A RX580 can do better than that on some games while still utilizing the frame syncing properly, though.

>>60401632
Um. 600fps on 144hz and 144fps on 144hz looks exactly the same.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nYHVXH
>PURPOSE
gaming and general use.
>BUDGET
$2k
>GAMES/SOFTWARE
chrome, overwatch, ffxiv, steam
>2560x1080 144hz
I wan't to try out an ultrawide. I've been using a 27" for way to long.

haven't built a pc in years and want to see how retarded i am

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>>60401521

here's my actual current rig

>>60401590
>inferior
It gives you more enjoyment, but it will not win or lose you any games. You should be able to aim and react just fine at 60hz. If the majority of games you play will only run about 60fps, but ONE game runs way above it, I'd just get the 60hz monitor for much cheaper.

>>60390894
Wtf is this 720p nonsense?
Also why is the graphics card running so much hotter and less utilized with the intel cpu's?

>>60401664
god you're dumb

>>60401672
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nYHVXH
looks fine but
>2560x1080
don't do this. just get a 2560x1440. Why deprive yourself over those 360 vertical pixels? Ultrashort monitors are awful.
And don't give microsoft money pls

>>60401680
Your current rig is solid. Your previous one was awful.

>>60401682
CSGO engine is actually terrible and input latency and shit is awful unless you're at at least 144fps+.
But the RX580 does like 250-350fps at 1440p in CSGO...

>>60401680
>$160 motherboard meant for crazy OC'ing
>medium sized air cooler that won't given enough thermal performance for the motherboard choice to even matter
>power supply could have been half the price with no determent to your system
why do people do this?

>>60401701

the only change I've made to my rig was replacing a 670 with a 1080.

>>60401700
>less utilized with the intel cpu's?
Because the CPU is the bottleneck

>running so much hotter
Now that i have no idea

Maybe the CPU is running very hot because it's at full load and the case has poor airflow?

>>60401701
any suggestions on monitors then? i will torrent win10 for you anon.

>>60401491
That's a 4ghz 8MB vs 4ghz 8MB test for ipc

>>60401757
I know.

>>60401682
I see your point. Most the games I play are shooters that will do better on 144hz apparently

>>60401701
>god your dumb
K. Still didn't answer my question whether or not a 1080p 144hz monitor that is running at full 144 will be a better choice than a 2k screen that is not running at full 144.

RX 470 is fucking expensive in my country because Bitcoin. What is a good alternative to it? I won't mind if is 20% worse than the RX 470.

I want to spend 2-3k on a desktop
What should I get?

>>60401700
>Also why is the graphics card running so much hotter
Not sure. But it hardly looks like it's throttling. Don't they usually not throttle until 85C+?
In some cases it can be fan curve, too. Like it's not uncommon for people to turn down fans for low load to keep it silent even it makes them hotter. Then they can be cooler at higher load when fans come in. But it doesn't look like that's happening here.
>and less utilized with the intel cpu's?
because the CPU is maxed out 100% on all 4 threads and can't drive it further. GPU utilization is limited by the CPU driving it with instructions.

>>60401733
I thought you had a 6600k on the other? Guess I didn't look close enough.

>>60401710
dumbness

>>60401756
>any suggestions on monitors then
MG279Q. Fantastic monitor as long as you don't get dead pixels. ASUS warranty service sucks fucking dick so make sure you buy it from somewhere that will exchange it without hassle if you get one with dead pixels. They go on sale for $400 sometimes, too.

>>60401795
1600X or 1800X, nice 1440p 144hz IPS or 4k 90hz+, 1TB MX300 or SU800, and wait for Vega.

>>60401794
GTX1060 6GB

>>60401425
The autists in here can't tell you because they've never even gotten close to a 1440p display or a GTX 1080. The answer to your question is that as long as the FPS stays below 144 you won't get any screen tearing. Ideally you want to use a framerate limiter (comes with Nvidia or AMD software) to cap near the minimum (say 100FPS) to get a fluid feeling. No vsync required of course

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Is there anyone else here that's WAIT(tm)ing?

Me:
>Zen3
>HawkRidge APU
>8/16T + 800 Navi Cores
>DDR5

>>60401854
Thanks mate.

>>60401818
if I'm gonna wait, why not wait for the i9?
Surely that will btfo anything amd has to offer

>>60401863
yeh. I have Zen1 and I'm waiting for Zen3 or Zen4. ;3 I miss it being worthwhile to upgrade every 2-3 years.
Getting Vega unless it turns out disappointing, which I doubt. Then I'll upgrade to whoever makes a worthwhile MCM GPU first. And if it's Nvidia who does, that assumes they support Freesync finally by then since I'm probably going to spend $1k+ on an HDR10 Freesync2 monitor.

>>60401888
Why get an i9 when you can get an R9?

>Surely that will btfo anything amd has to offer
The whole reason you get 10 or 12 cores is for multithreaded performance, and AMD's SMT is far superior on average in addition to having more threads.
The i9 6 core though? Maybe, idk. It sure doesn't have much cache. It'll probably be better for games, albeit a housefire.
4 and 6 cores on a "HEDT platform" is pretty hilarious, though. I couldn't buy that over how pathetic the marketing is and how overpriced it is, and since they'll just give my money to Anita Snarkskesian if I do.

>>60401863
Zen4 is 2020 and DDR5
Zen3 is 2019 and DDR4

>>60401795
Gonna get some hate here

Since you sounded new, i price changed everything to Amazon, and went with Intel/Windows because it's super easy to plug and play comparatively

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QQyDyf

>>60401963
I say that after having issues with amd, years ago with an old cpu and no irl experience with Linux, so the complaints will likely be justified

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>>60401929
Not always the case

If scaled to 16 cores vs 12 cores, you'd still see 16 core losing in this program even with better timings.

>>60401929
intel has that "just werkz" factor
Skylake-X with 12/24 c/t and 16.5MB of cache sounds beefy as fuck
if they figure out how to make the clock speed above 4ghz with turbo boost, that's gonna be a monster

>>60402014
Intel has "just bernz" factor.

>>60402024
even a simple closed loop liquid cooling system should be enough no?

>>60402024
Not that anon, but i thought that was just the 7700k no?

>>60402051
Depends on how high burntel will clock their housefires.

>>60402052
If you try to OC Broadwell-E past ~4.3ghz it gets REALLY toasty.

>>60402076
are you safe if you don't overclock?
what's the best cooling system for under $350?

Just built my first PC, what app or software should I use to check my framerates, temperatures, etc?

>>60402104
Yes and Noctua DH-15.

>>60402076
Ah i see, i have a skylake i OC but no big temp increase with the liquid cooling, so that may be the difference

>>60402161
tnx m8

Leafbros, is Vuugo a good online retailer? It has got the cheapest prices on quite a few things, but I've never heard of them til now. PCPartPicker wouldn't include them if they weren't a reputable company right?

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Zen4 could support both.

>>60401963
>>60402005
I have mostly bought AMD CPUs, except for my Sandy Bridge and my mom's E7500, and had no issues.
My Ryzen system booted up after plugging things in with no problem. Though it would help to have a GPU you've already verified is working since there is no iGPU backup.

>>60402009
WinRAR is a huge, huge, huge outlier here.
I wouldn't expect the Skylake-X vs Ryzen-X comparison to look any different than picture related.
50% more cores and significantly slower clocks, yet almost 2x the multithreaded performance ... except in WinRAR.
On average, SMT is well over 30% better scaling than HT.

>>60402014
>16.5MB
That's half as much as the 32MB in Whitehaven. HALF

>>60402063
Rumor is 4.3-4.5GHz on the 8 and 10 cores and 3.3 base. Not sure if 4.3 is all-core or not. No way it could be at 140w TDP. Not even at 200w TDP.

>>60401963
>went with Intel/Windows because it's super easy to plug and play comparativel
what the fuck even, since when is ryzen not plug and play? do you think you have to compile 5 linux kernels before the cpu becomes stable or some other dumb shit?

>>60402123
if ryzen use ryzen master tool for cpu temp
hwinfo overall for cpu temp & wattage
afterburner for gpu though it also does cpu for intel

>>60402280
Er zen4 could support both to: >>60401946

>>60402289
But you're buying in 2019 and that means Zen3 / DDR4

>>60402280
Skylake-X has 1mb L2@core though.

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>prime95 makes my cpu reach 99C
>shit bricks, pressed stop
>cpu temps jump from 99c to 44c in a second
Are Intel CPU's good at handling thermal shock?

>>60402282
I created a follow up statement to that to clarify that i have tried ryzen and had poor experience with other AMD products, i finished mine before ryzen had been announced so i feel like you're overreacting

I need a new motherboard and could buy an asrock x370 gaming k4 for the same price as a msi b350m gaming pro (about $80) should I buy it? Why or why not?

>>60402341
Didn't you just answer your own question there?

>>60402341
thermal shock is the worst thing that can happen to hardware, avoid it.

>>60402356
>I say that after having issues with amd, years ago[...] so the complaints will likely be justified
Shitting on a whole new architecture on whole new software because of past experience is a kinda dumb thing to do anon

>>60402368
Anything X370 > B350 and if you can get one that cheap, get it.

>>60401863
I'll possibly get the best AM4 (or at least Taichi) would support in 2021 and skip DDR5 entirely (like I did with AM2 and Phenom2)
DDR6 fucking when?

>Kaby lake Pentium
>Decompressing a 60gb file
>Estimated time remaining: 4 hours

>>60402385
You're not wrong, I didn't mean it was still bad, just explaining my thought process as I did a quick pc build. Then I realized right after, but my phone won't let me delete posts

>>60402393
That's just not true. The B350M Prime has better VRMs than the cheaper X370s.

>>60402397
Yeah idk. I'm disillusioned with DDR.
Making it a bit faster doesn't amount to much when the latency is still high.
I want to not upgrade until it means <25ns total latency. Or <15ns for that matter and do away with L3, increase L2 cache instead.

Cosair 300R case with Corsair fans
Intel i7-4790K with h100i gtx
Radeon 290
Crucial M4/M500 SSDs and a HDD for archive
MSI Gaming 5 motherboard
Fury X RAM 16GB
Corsair 600W non-modular

It's served me well, but I got a job as a 3D generalist at a film studio and want to upgrade as I like doing personal projects alongside work.

Thing is, from what I've seen I can't justify splashing 3-4K on a professional grade GPU as the consumer ones seem to do the job well enough (yeah, no x16 h/w AA / tech support but that's a bit frivolous isn't it? I can still get x8 s/w AA and Maya shits the bed at around 10 million polys regardless of what card you have).

Any pro GPU users can provide insight?

the stock heatsink/fan on the g4560 i bought is way too loud. What is something cheap i can buy to replace it that is silent. or maybe i should just turn down the fan manually?

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>>60402496
>the stock heatsink/fan i bought

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>>60402397
2027?
In the mean time they can do this already

>>60402496
>or maybe i should just turn down the fan manually?
yes, do that in the bios
make sure it does spin fast at high 65+°C temperatures.

>>60396588

My hyper 212 evo would hit 85* in the same situations that my h115 hits 55.

liquid coolers > *

you faggots talk too much shit about stuff you don't actually have any relevant experience with

>>60402496
You paid $60 for the cpu, the fan being loud shouldn't be a problem. I have the same fan and despite it being loud as fuck it keeps the chip cool so it gets a pass in my book.

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>>60402547
>my 212 evo

>>60402547
You're awfully confident for someone that can't even into reading a graph nor an OP
tard

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/dhvLxY

chose intel for compatibility, not sure what gpu to get. the 580 comes with 8gb ram and the 1060 comes with 6gb but a slightly higher clock. Boyh are the same price. will probably wait for vega and use the igpu for now.

>>60402558

oh please show me all of those dumb fuck youtube shill charts that show x cooler being better than y cooler

c'mon fuckass. some of us live in the real world and not the artificial planet put in place by advertisers and liars

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>>60402566
>compatibility
Compatibility for what exactly?

>the 580 comes with 8gb ram and the 1060 comes with 6gb but a slightly higher clock.
And yet the 580 generally outperforms by 1 - 2°C. Clocks aren't comparable between different architectures. Whether the 580 or 1060 is the better choice depend entirely on the game

>>60396329
Fractal design define S is a damn good case. Been using it for a while now, sound dampening is good, build space is great. Can't say I have a complaint yet. Worth a look see, especially since you can get the non windowed model for ~$59-69. And if you DO want a window, its only 10 bucks more.

>>60402595

obviously it's because it's compatible with ITX format you DUMB MOTHERFUCKING AMD SHILL FUCKFACE

lets see that one itx board available for AMD. c'mon SHOW IT TO US

>>60402587
see
>>60396154
>Good air cooler is almost always wiser than an AIO
and >>60396577 's image

Of course your shitty $25 212 evo isn't going to come close to a $160 nzxt kraken or whatever the fuck you have, but a $75 (half the price) be quiet dark rock TF is literally 1°C away from it

>>60402522
>the stock heatsink/fan bundled with the cpu i bought
Fucking ESLs

>>60402530
>2027
Damn. I've been using M2 Crosshair from april 2007 to april 2017 but I'm not sure modern build quality is just as good.
Guess I'll jump to some kind of hedt-apu-soc-hbm when AMD releases one. 140W on a fuckhuge socket could reasonably fit 6c12t, 1050ti-tier graphics and 16gb memory.

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>>60402610
pls dont be mean ;_;

>>60402595
android sdk. plus i will be using cry engine and unity so idk which gpu is better for development

>>60402611

>almost always

Yeah if you're running stock clock and don't put it through any intensive programs. Just like being a fat fuck is wiser than being athletic if you don't plan on playing any sports.

And a Dark Rock isn't even that good as heatsinks go.

Anyway, a heatsink fails on so many grounds because you're literally just shoving heat off of the same molecules rather than just shifting those molecules to a different area to be cooled. An AIO makes way more sense for anyone interested in overclocking and actually finding the potential of their CPU.

>>60396269
My EVGA G2 650W is great, cant say I have ever heard the fan, has never had dropped power or coil whine.

>>60402634
>Yeah if you're running stock clock
Christ anon, why do you have to be this bad
Again, see >>60396588 's image
Top text.

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>>60402643

Oh yeah let me just invest myself into a graph that has no source. Let me fall into the same sort of dumb fucking trap that the rest of /pcbg/ has succumbed to.

Idk what kind of crack you guys are smoking. Buy a proper 280mm AIO and you'll never see your chips go above 55-60*, ever.

Or you can buy whatever trendy heatsink is on offer and watch that shit go up to 70-80 under load.

Your choice.

>>60396577
>Considering that the 460 cannot match the GTX1050, the 560 will not come even close to the 1050Ti. Your pricing standards are way off. 1050Ti would be a great deal at $105. The 560 might be OK at that price, depending on reviews.

Ffs should I get the 1050ti then for hots and sc2 gaming? I thought the rx560 would be a good pic.

>>60402634
>I LITERALLY KNOW BETTER THAN PHYSICISTS
The limitation in cooling become that of the conductivity between the die, IHS, and heatsink before your method of cooling the heatsink matters at all, you fucking idiot.

Unless you lap the IHS, resolder with something better, and/or direct die cool it, it's stupid to buy an AIO for anything other than aesthetic reasons. And you were stupid for buying that garbage 212 Evo and thinking it's a high end air cooler.
You're a bigger moron than that faggot that insisted he was the designated OP poster. And I've dealt with enough fucking morons today. Fuck off.

>>60402678
>Oh yeah let me just invest myself into a graph that has no source.
it's from guru3d

>Buy a proper 280mm AIO and you'll never see your chips go above 55-60*, ever.
or save some money and buy a $80 air cooler instead, barely any maintenance required, won't fry your shit if it's broken because it still has an enormous heatsink, no risk of leakage, much cheaper and has close to as good heat dissipationr

>>60402703
>that insisted he was the designated OP poster.
who was that?

>>60402691
Look at benchmarks? Yes Blizzard games are usually Nvidia favored. But you shouldn't really listen to that guy, note the replies that BTFO him out.
I imagine both the RX560 and 1050Ti will both have no problem getting 120+ fps in SC2.

In fact, the RX460 does 166fps average in SC2 maxed at 1080p. The hell are you on?
It literally doesn't matter what you buy for an old game like that made to run on garbage net cafe PCs. You could even get an RX550, even though the RX560 is twice as fast for $30 more.

>>60402703
>>60402714

Well you guys have fun with your shit heatsinks. I'll enjoy never seeing 60* on any CPU temp chart....ever.

To any new PC builders. Buy a good AIO if you plan on dabbling in overclocking. They're far better at cooling than a heatsink, and they're dead reliable compared to a couple years ago.

/pcbg/ is stuck on dumb bullshit for the sake of being different/conservative.

>>60402728
that guy >>60399063 >>60397710 >>60396577

>>60402744
lmao. my CPU is at fucking 27C, 3C above ambient, right now.

>>60402744
that guy made a detailed explanation as to why watercooler weren't that much better than high end air coolers
if all you can respond is "well have fun retards" then you're just not accepting that you are wrong

You ever had a high end air cooler? And no, the 212 EVO doesn't qualify as one

>>60402760

My CPU is at 21*. Under ambient.

I can run Prime95 for hours at .6ghz over stock and it won't crack 50*

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>>60402744
>he bought a delidlake housefire and wonders why his 212 evo wasn't good enough

You're going to get screenshotted and made fun of long after this thread dies.

>>60402777
liquid cooling isn't refrigerant. lol. You can use refrigerant with air cooling too, anyway.

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>>60402777

>>60402794

Mind you, my room is at 23*c right now

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>tfw i lost the silicon lottery

>>60402825

I thought I lost it until I changed my power supply unit and my cooler. What sort of build do you have?

>>60400296
>indonesia
>$500
might want to go for ryzen 5 + used graphic cards for a while (check OLX), bossku

>>60402398
Buy an SSD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIbnl3Pj15w

Not using this liquid? No heatsink or waterblock needed.

liquid boils at 34C

>>60402771
>>60402787
This. Buy a high end air cooler so when you stop doing any intensive task, you CPU temps jump down 40 degrees and can experience thermal shock. >>60402341
>t. fag with air cooler with 360W of heat dissipation on an i5

>>60402866
I was planning something similar eventually. It's neat. You can passively cool but it does make a bit of a bubbling noise that you'll need to insulate.
I would do it with a vaporizer, though. That liquid will eventually pick up metals and become conductive, I think?

Deepcool Genome
MSI Pro Carbon Z170-A
I7 6700k @ 4.4ghz
8gbx2 DDR4 Corsair Vengence 3000MHZ
WD M.2 NVME 512gb
EVGA 1080ti
4TB WD Internal HD
512gb Kingston SSD
240gb Kingston SSD

>>60402935
neat

>$179 for a MSI GTX 1050Ti 4GB
>$229 for a MSI RX 470 4GB OC
>$265 for a ZOTAC GTX 1060 3GB
My wonderful country.

>>60399893
May 31

>>60403253

huehue

>>60399893
Computex.

>>60403253
470 seems like the obvious option there as it's over 50% faster than the 1050Ti on average.

>>60399893
June 31

this thread is pretty dead

>>60403522
what are you doing

>>60403543
you madman

>>60403546
>>60403546
>>60403546
Real thread. Ignore the other one which lacks any information in the OP.

New Thread
>>60403548
>>60403548
>>60403548

R5 1600x
SSD 525gb
Gigabyte B350 gaymen
3200MHz 16gb (2x8) RAM
Wait for vega or a 580

Purpose. Some gamin and mainly workstation for video editing and such things
How´s this

>>60403559
Also Liqmax II or something like that for liquid refrigeration (never had these)

>>60403558
see >>60403553
Your thread is shit and lacks all the basic information that we've put throughout the months

Real thread here:
>>60403546
>>60403546
>>60403546

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Looking to buy a new gpu since my 4 year old Sapphire HD9750 3gb duel-x fans have started to give up. On a really tight budget, can afford max around 224 usd (2000 sek, GPUs are expensive here in Sweden).

Missed a 180 usd deal on MSI GTX 1050 Ti Gaming X 4gb yesterday, today it costs 200 usd.

Asus Radeon RX 470 Strix Gaming 4gb is now at 224 usd.

My cpu is currently a fx 8320 and it is not going to change for a while. Help me pick gpu.

>>60396510
same for my 750 bronze. its quite quiet inside my define mini. only the case fan that is the noisiest

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This probably isn't the best thread to ask, but I have a relatively simple question and I'm retarded:

I just bought a shitty, cheap, Windows 10 laptop from Lenovo. It came loaded with a bunch of bloatware and shit. What's the best way to do a clean install? I just want pure Windows 10.

>Inb4 "M-Muh Linux..."

I need windows 10 specifically for some college courses because they use proprietary software that only runs on Windows 8+, hence why I bought shitty, cheap laptop instead of investing more heavily.

I assume this is simple but I don't know the best way to go. I have literally zero files on this thing and just want to get going.

>>60396588
wtf is the problem with 7700k? my 6700k is pretty fine with oced to 4.6

>>60403624
Temperature spikes when near full load
it's a CPU that heats a lot overall

Best software to check heath and read/write speeds of your SSD?